Yeye I get it, I just didn't follow the convo
#arms
cyan lagoon
ebon hollow
does intimidating shout work on the raszageth sparks?
halcyon breach
Yes
crimson charm
Jupp
tiny dock
wait, so if I do decide to do a raid, should I just keep using the M+ hybrid build?
or should I run the wowhead raid one
halcyon breach
Swap to the raid build
tiny dock
sick thx, so no BS for raid
halcyon breach
But depends on the fight
Some fights you can use BS for, like Diurna if you're on add duty
halcyon breach
If you're ever in doubt, check on Warcraftlogs and see what other people use
tiny dock
bet
bleak fog
I bet you drive a SAAB!
tender ermine
Is arms swapping back to merciless bonegrinder from s1 with cleave?
frozen bramble
When your CDs are not aligned, when do you send 2 minute trinkets?
nova marsh
Joke answer: why the hell are you using 2 minute trinkets kek. REal answer: don't worry about it, bind it to ava, just get it on the 3 minute
frozen bramble
Well between Rumbling Ruby and Blazebinder's Hoof, Hoof sims better. I'd prefer ruby though
nova marsh
NGL ruby kinda nice thou
ornate eagle
it is nice in keys
nova marsh
mid af in raid, decent in keys
ornate eagle
certainly way better than augury lol
olive nest
What’s a rumbling ruby
teal fossil
wtf ive never seen ruby do this damage
olive nest
teal fossil
actually hacking
ornate eagle
cuz outlaw+aug lol
olive nest
That’s actually decent!
gaunt owl
and we dont even see the passive power of it
cyan lagoon
Inc nerf
teal fossil
oh yeah cuz the first proc is always at like half health or something
rather it wont be full hp
rare kite
it was this good in s1 aswell
big proc on smol spiders in sbg, best feeling
olive nest
That’s from VOTI right
rare kite
ye from terros
gaunt owl
big proc on smol spiders in sbg, best feeling
one shot the pack with just the trinket was funny
obsidian topaz
the amount of times I press cleave in an AOE pack
for it to do like 4% of my overall lol
olive nest
If it’s only doing 4% you gotta work on the aim my dude
nova marsh
Av makes me wonna die ngl
ornate eagle
huh?
nova marsh
Azure vault lol
ornate eagle
theres nothing scary in there for dps
olive nest
Av is super free now
ornate eagle
that dungeon is like 98% tank
gaunt owl
get a better VDH 
wary raft
ive got an even better one for you
nova marsh
Only the tank left standing at 5%
strange perch
what are you guys buying with your first bullion
fossil thistle
Legs and dairy
strange perch
mostly for people who dont have the lego
zenith warren
does s1 boss kills count to s4 loot table for the vault?
fossil thistle
Seal of Diurna
strange perch
Seal of Diurna
the fire one or the shield one
wary raft
mostly for people who dont have the lego
are you going to get the legendary eventually or just throw ur hands up and say fuck it
finite ginkgo
Will we only have Voti Items in This week Raid vault?
ornate eagle
Si
fossil thistle
Only one Diurna 8) It's the fire damage
wary raft
if still trying for lego go for ring, if you arent even bothering to get it go ashkandur
wind flicker
Im not sure how good the ring value is without the legendary tbh
strange perch
are you going to get the legendary eventually or just throw ur hands up and say ...
depends, im on the "if i get it, i get it" train atm, cant do much about rng
timid kelp
Something feels sus with Madness of the betrayer trinket from timewalking raid sim. It's simming lower than 489 signet brand at 515ilvl. Supposed to be 3RPPM proc on that trinket. Anyone else simmed this shit?
wind flicker
Isnt the leggo the main source for the procs?
wary raft
that and hat enchant helps it
ornate eagle
Just equip rageheart
The passive proc of rageheart will saturate eragon ring proc rate
strange perch
what is the uptime on the lego usually
ornate eagle
100%
strange perch
the proc is?
ornate eagle
Any dmg point you deal applies the dot
olive nest
The dot
pale jungle
the proc is?
it reapplies the dot every single hit of anything you do
wind flicker
The passive proc of rageheart will saturate eragon ring proc rate
New cook, Rageheart BIS with eranog ring?
ornate eagle
For MW, absolutely
wind flicker
Is there an icd on the ring?
wind flicker
Yeah i wasnt sure what the max proc rate was
ornate eagle
It's "fire dmg can proc ring"
wind flicker
Yeah i know
But not sure if it was hard capped
Guess it would be way to strong on certain classes if it wasnt
gaunt owl
can always have some lucky proc and get more dmg than RPPM says
and one fight you just dont see them and wonder what you did wrong
waxen warren
best talent to spec out of to spec into intimidating shout for raz
halcyon breach
best talent to spec out of to spec into intimidating shout for raz
P&G
fresh spire
slam :o7:
halcyon breach
Keep Wrecking
Or just remove both points of CF if you have them talented, and put them into Wrecking Throw and Intim Shout
gaunt owl
dont talent CF free points !
nova marsh
Remove all slam talents
timber lynx
Remove slam 
cyan lagoon
Guys, fury sucks s4 so I am coming over to arms.
What buttons do I press for big dmg?
turbid finch
Yeah slam probably needs to go alltogether
tepid dune
is fury bad this ssn? just heard so in guildchat x_x
worldly scaffold
What buttons do I press for big dmg?
as a fury war that just converted i can confidently say just press all of em
cyan lagoon
We are all dooming in fury channel so it must be true
I need to binge-watch some guides
tepid dune
i heard like 20% difference??
turbid finch
Tbf, people consider something bad when theres like a 5% differential
turbid finch
i heard like 20% difference??
That seems excessive
tepid dune
5% difference tbh is cool with me
cyan lagoon
5% but it feels like 50%
halcyon breach
It's not a 20% difference between Fury and Arms, however it's close to 10% at technical best setups in ST
gaunt owl
@teal fossil
halcyon breach
Arms is an outlier rn though, and Fury is closer to being balanced compared to the rest of the specs
gaunt owl
7% mastery gives or take
tepid dune
aha i see, so in reality we could say between 5-10% in ST?
i wonder about AOE
i would read up on it but im not sure where to look for comparisons: raidbots?
halcyon breach
At absolute best setups, there's a 38k difference between the two in pure ST sims
olive nest
7% mastery gives or take
Tech!?
tepid dune
ah yeah i saw that fury suffers in ST this ssn but i imaged for M+ its awesome as its very op in aoe burst
halcyon breach
They're both good in M+, but Arms is a lot better for bigger pulls
turbid finch
I think arms still wins for aoe pulls
olive nest
Fury’s strength is when your tank pulls 6 mobs at a time
glossy olive
They're both good in M+, but Arms is a lot better for bigger pulls
Don't Fury CD's align much better together?
olive nest
If you play with a tank gamer arms does better
halcyon breach
Don't Fury CD's align much better together?
Both specs' CDs align equally well if you use them on CD
But Fury just has more frequent CDs
glossy olive
Both specs' CDs align equally well if you use them on CD
What CD's do you usually back to back
in arms
halcyon breach
Every 1 min assuming Uproar, you have BS + WB + Roar
halcyon breach
Every 1:30 you have Ava + WB
glossy olive
I assume Titan and Reck then Roar?
halcyon breach
Every 3 you have everything
turbid finch
Warbreaker + avatar + troar followed by bladestorm
turbid finch
For me, warbreaker and avatar are one button
teal fossil
<@111542607556939776>
Dang this is pretty decent
halcyon breach
Fury by comparison has Reck + Rava every 30-40 seconds, and everything by 1:30
sour forge
7% mastery gives or take
Is there a way to sim the diff aa buffs
gaunt owl
probably syes
sour forge
I’ve just been taking vers
gaunt owl
need ot check
hexed saddle
nova marsh
God yall are gods compared to my ass still mostly in last season's gear
nova marsh
Why are you like this
olive nest
I’m 511 bags if that counts
sacred zodiac
king
turbid finch
Need that "but why" gif
nova marsh
Yall get drops?
tepid dune
Fury by comparison has Reck + Rava every 30-40 seconds, and everything by 1:30
isnt reck/ravager every 1.5 min? i think with the ravager talent u could do ravager every 45 sec but im not seeing anything for recklessness cooldown reduction
tepid dune
ooohh.. my bad
gaunt owl
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9y2oFMfSTvVzR6Qmw6RmGJ
stop flexing
wooden knot
Can someone confirm that during the execute phase that martial prowess and executioner's precision both stack for big mortal strike? Making the rotation:
exe->exe->op->op->ms (and cooldowns whenevs)
gaunt owl
gonna expose your dirty FOB enjoyer
gaunt owl
the juicy neckpiece
finite ginkgo
Guys is Next Week voti again or sberus ?
gaunt owl
its sberus
outer holly
voti again
finite ginkgo
Thx
rough pewter
nova marsh
Fill the third GCD with OP
olive nest
You can’t do it with axe and bladestorm at the same time anymore but I thought it still worked with bs no?
wooden knot
roger that, thx gents
gaunt owl
yeah they removed those macro with AXE / BS / puzzle box
obsidian topaz
Why does arms not run Augury? Especially with them having more Crit than Fury
candid kindle
ok guys correct me: in m+ packs= charge Avatar thunderclap bs dragon roar ss ms op?
obsidian topaz
ok guys correct me: in m+ packs= charge Avatar thunderclap bs dragon roar ss ms ...
I think in general people Roar before bladestorm, but I'm not sure why as it should do more damage after
and they also usually WW after BS
but I'm still learning arms and trying to figure out the rotation so wait for someone who knows what they are talking about
outer holly
Ticks are worth more than the initial hit, so you get more damage from the increasing STR while it ticks as opposed to the other way around
candid kindle
ok thats a curious interaction lol
timber lynx
You want it out asap so you get the full duration of troar on mobs as well
turbid finch
I think in general people Roar before bladestorm, but I'm not sure why as it sho...
Because a lot of the times, the pack is dead before you finish the ticks on roar if you do it that way
timber lynx
^
gaunt owl
obsidian topaz
also why MS? do you ever really MS in AOE or you just Cleave?
gaunt owl
Troar initial hit is poopoodoodoo
winged creek
MS hits HARD
turbid finch
Now just don't tell blizzard that roar is glorious uncapped aoe
outer holly
MS with SS when less than 5 targets, otherwise cleave
candid kindle
MS with SS when less than 5 targets, otherwise cleave
ppl isnt taking cleave into builds rn
gaunt owl
depends if you has 4p or not
olive nest
You take cleave
candid kindle
ppl with s4 tier arent taking cleave
gaunt owl
ppl with s4 tier arent taking cleave
who are they ?
obsidian topaz
S4 cleave matters even more no?
gaunt owl
where you coming from with taht info
candid kindle
archon
gaunt owl
why would we not take Cleave
when it pretty much guarantee us a giga buff from tier set
explain that to me
outer holly
Archon lul
winged creek
archon is a aggrigator most ppl don't have 4pc yet
gaunt owl
and who cooked their builds
obsidian topaz
wtf is that website
have you not heard of archon ? its actually sick
you can go raid by raid and see what the best players use
gaunt owl
i really dont need that kind of website in my life
obsidian topaz
*boss by boss
gaunt owl
people taking int shout instead of going Shockwave
i dont take either but if i needed CC
i would pick Shockwave
obsidian topaz
thats so they can take the 30s CDR on Troar
gaunt owl
yeah cute but its not really the problem there
if you need CC you wouldnt take Int shout in the first place
and sacrifice your Troar 1min because its not as important if you need CC
obsidian topaz
well its 1 point instead of 2, so you dont lose damage
and still have a stop for emergencies
better than nothing
dire hinge
40sec instead 1.5min
faint granite
what are the best talents in mm+ with new tiers et
astral yarrow
Biggest problem about int shout is that it only hits 5 targets (or 8) while shockwave hits everything regardless
Also randomly undead mobs are immune, although that is not an issue in this dungeon pool
devout pewter
I take that the Juggernaut M+ build isn't really worth it right now? Just tried it and it felt kinda meh
olive nest
Ez
astral yarrow
good day on sennarth mythic <@198808002629730304>
Only 100k more than my 0pc 489 ass first day
PI? Hmmge
thick kelp
not normally
fresh spire
astral yarrow
Man just kill off PI already
fresh spire
our paladins
gaunt owl
thats why you have Pink friend by your side
fresh spire
are dumb
gaunt owl
fresh spire
astral yarrow
Bro is sitting in web and calling paladin dumb 
fresh spire
:fuark:
astral yarrow
Is that the psyduck from palworld
noble oxide
wtf is that website
I think its basically the new subcreation
outer holly
I take that the Juggernaut M+ build isn't really worth it right now? Just tried ...
Top sims put Jugg at slightly lower aoe with slightly better ST than BS, overall it's really just a choice, we might end up going jugg for needing to push tyr bosses
gaunt owl
if you guys need the new builds or stuff like this
we got you covered in here
but plz stop using those weak ass website
astral yarrow
Gonna miss SKS now that BH is in rotation again
outer holly
SKS felt bad to play ngl
astral yarrow
I didn’t dislike it as much when we started optimizing how to play it
I disliked it in vault though
fresh spire
arms in general early vault was just sad
nova marsh
vault is the reason I've disliked BS this time
gaunt owl
10.0 was peak !
nova marsh
Arms into mid vault was when I picked it up.
gaunt owl
we just didnt understood the power we had !
fresh spire
i loved pressing slam over and over and over and never pressing op
outer holly
See it was the optimization that confused me, warrior brain says see ability off CD? No you don't. Suddenly I have to think before pressing a button?
outer holly
casual 60k
devout pewter
Top sims put Jugg at slightly lower aoe with slightly better ST than BS, overall...
I know, it's boss week, that's why I thought I try it, because that's where it should shine. but it still felt weaker than just gunning with Bladestorm. That's why I asked, was just wondering.
gaunt owl
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j7rpPcX795TEtteLTxYXoq
what is that enchant on your pantsu
why you doing this
winged creek
bro big vers
outer holly
Gonna trigger that guy who can't play without stam pants again
gaunt owl
Gonna trigger that guy who can't play without stam pants again
come on guys wtf
they are all in the nothing range of dps
its actually griefing not to take stamina
i'm just lazy
winged creek
LOL
boreal quartz
its actually griefing not to take stamina
fr
outer holly
<@113785685529329667> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8mxecbub1PASsUvPjnR...
waking stats and not sustained str? Practice what you preach!
gaunt owl
this one gonna be a loss !
for m+ if you really need the extra stam its a play for sure
thorn sentinel
are arms warrior in s4 for both raid and m+ easyer then bm hunter ?
astral yarrow
Nobody has a clue how to play arms in aoe man
ashen cloud
Nobody has a clue how to play arms in aoe man
that's because all the people who knew how to play switch to ret lol
astral yarrow
that's because all the people who knew how to play switch to ret lol
I mean even Ppaww and I who have done a decent amount APL for this season do not play perfect. I write or spitball the stuff and forget whether you press OP over MS at 4 or 5 targets 🤷♀️
naive sage
Do you think second wind works at council mythic?
gaunt owl
Do you think second wind works at council mythic?
shouldnt it only stay up if its environmental damage
timber lynx
timber lynx
Haha
gaunt owl
but yeah about key dmg, i did like 2 or 3 with Tmy this afternoon
and its just about pushing button
i probably overthink it so freaking much
that i sux
gaunt owl
like oh i have to get my 4p buff up
reef glade
and comes off cooldown
naive sage
shouldnt it only stay up if its environmental damage
Yeah just tried, 0 healing
Was worth a try
gaunt owl
Yeah just tried, 0 healing <:keks:936231610850897992>
the only boss where SW was working was Rashok iirc
it was good healing for what it was
charred brook
anybody have a picture of the opener for new season
wanna make sure im doing it right
gaunt owl
ST or AOE ?
charred brook
ST
scenic solstice
Why is Augury of the Primal Flame worse than Ominous Chromatic Essence for arms assuming OCE has 5 people stacking?
gaunt owl
charred brook
huge ty
gaunt owl
Why is Augury of the Primal Flame worse than Ominous Chromatic Essence for arms ...
because we love stats
scenic solstice
because we love stats
interesting
gaunt owl
Augury has the downside of being crit trinket
so you really need to adjust your gear for that one too
scenic solstice
After buying legendary wep upgrade with bullions should I buy signet brand?
gaunt owl
last season we were able to min max augury as a bis trinket but it was really in the sim margin to make it bis
there is a priority buy for bullion in the pins
but it can be depending on what you got for trinket too
scenic solstice
makes sense
thick kelp
u dont want to bang MS before roar with new tier ?
scenic solstice
I was thinking of playing fury but I think arms is far better in raid this season.
gaunt owl
u dont want to bang MS before roar with new tier ?
you can but its still gamba proc or not
gaunt owl
i've been raiding with Tmy and kidna copying his opener too
thick kelp
gaunt owl
opener is still really w/e in the end
lone imp
I seen some people avataring before charge cause reck
gaunt owl
i've been watching some wlogs and everybody kinda does his own twist
i do avatar during charge too
its good because not delaying it can make you have 3 full use of it on some fights
lone imp
I like that
gaunt owl
we do have far too many layer of RNG anyway to make our opener any relevant
i play EB gamba
thick kelp
lone imp
eb gamba is fun when it hits
thick kelp
how many ms
thick kelp
tried to go for unethical upstairs dmg
gaunt owl
but having the EB proc on the right time
we went full ST build
going Warbreaker ITFK is only good if you have bad player with you
EB got the same downside has Battlelord
you hate having a Battlelord proc when MS is next GCD anyway
its meaningless
thick kelp
going Warbreaker ITFK is only good if you have bad player with you
Holy sounds perfect if u play with me on that boss
gaunt owl
when upstairs spam DN WW TC
its gonna carry dmg since you always have Avatar Troar for there
thick kelp
im so sad tho, stuck with 3pc and watching gear compare show +15% dps if I had 4p on normal non upgr ilvl
gaunt owl
tier set too stronk
thick kelp
Got rank 10 on eranogg with old tier
hybrid sinew
dont you want to not avatar on charge, because you do the legoo first up right
so dont you charge, leggo, DR, Then CS+Avatar etc
gaunt owl
i dont use lego this week as i have a 522 weapon
thick kelp
The duality of a man
gaunt owl
but with lego what i did was charge > Troar > Lego
but sometimes i swap it to Avatar charge anyway
because of timing
hybrid sinew
you'd def want to Troar after lego
thats like the inital plus a couple dot ticks unbuffed then
gaunt owl
it doesnt change anything
hybrid sinew
but it does right
reef glade
hybrid sinew
the idea of moving DR out of CS is the idea that the dot is going to tick in the window, and preumablyu the sims say on average you're going to get more spenders in the CS window
if you do it before the leggo you're losing a bit of dmg for kinda no reason right
gaunt owl
not even
you still gonna have your CS window with enough Troar tick in there to fill it
hybrid sinew
yeah, but its ticking without either a CS buff or a ToM buff
i mean its small, but its the opener, it might as well be as good as it can be
gaunt owl
less think more zugzug
if you look at some warcraft logs now
everybody has his own twists on the opener
and none matter
if you look at buff overlap and rng luck its what does it
hybrid sinew
i mean everyone has thier own twists because wowhead/icy veins got updated super late
cinder verge
whats the rotation during execute now? 2x exe->op->ms?
hybrid sinew
and prob not everyone went back to check it
because the DR usage is super counter intuitive
naive sage
The only thing that everybody could agree upon is that reck buff is best spent on mortal strike and overpower while roar and rend roll on
I think
gaunt owl
the warrior that get some big parse i'm not sure they look at any guides
they just push button
thick kelp
the meme with the graph peaking in middle and three guys with middle guy malding over min max for parse
gaunt owl
yep its this one
you could analyze the logs with overlapping buff and stuff because they are some key moment in there
but its all RNG
like wafting / corrupting rage stuff like this
BSL if you cant min / max your defensives too
the random rotting dmg from corrupting flask
sometimes you even dont get the crit on AA so low rage income somehow too
thick kelp
No wafting proc in execute
limber bear
Question, is there any reason we specifically go Frosted armor kit (str + armor) instead of fierce armor kit (str + stam)?
i feel like this is the same argument as putting EVs into defense vs health for a pokemon....
turbid finch
Armor gives you strength
limber bear
also, to anyone that might recognize me/my pfp, old account got "hacked" (b/c i was a gullible dumbass who got tricked into helping a "friend") so this is my new one
errant jackal
What item is best to craft? Seems like rings/neck aren't worth--so wrists?
maybe off tier piece like legs or smth?
limber bear
What item is best to craft? Seems like rings/neck aren't worth--so wrists?
the 3 b's
bracers, belt, boots
bracers and belt in particular because they can be socketed, so it's like....you're not going to replace it, so it's a safe choice
errant jackal
ah sick, what bracers/boots/belt are the ones to do? whats poppin?
limber bear
also b/c our cloak and both ring slots are already accounted for by powerful things from raid (sark cloak, and both fire-proc rings from VotI)
errant jackal
still allied wristguards?
limber bear
PERSONALLY I go with allied companionship bracers and shadowflame patch belt
errant jackal
omfg that means i gotta get another centaur trophy necklace fuck my ass
limber bear
sadly i was a COMPLETE BAFOON and put a flavor savor on a ring. so now i either have the impossible choice of:
- keep embelished ring, don't use diurna shield proc ring
- use diurna shield proc ring, lose flavor saver
limber bear
likely cheap b/c everyone and their mother did hunts this week
b/c of the weekly quest
errant jackal
yea they arre
limber bear
so instead of costing you an entire arm and leg, they probably just cost some skin
errant jackal
i am profoundly WoW broke rn so its all arms and legs but thats okay
thick kelp
sadly i was a COMPLETE BAFOON and put a flavor savor on a ring. so now i either ...
The diurna ring is massive
limber bear
The diurna ring is massive
i am still like....deliberating it.
limber bear
i KNOW it's yuge but how soon can i get one/buy one (iirc it's one of the last things on the buillion shopping list) and how long would i even be using it for?
limber bear
i have the axe, so that's my first big buy
thick kelp
and you would use it in BIS profile
limber bear
gotta get that bad boy up to speed
silk spade
sadly i was a COMPLETE BAFOON and put a flavor savor on a ring. so now i either ...
You won't buy diurna ring for a while
When you do just buy another flavor pocket
gaunt owl
You won't buy diurna ring for a while
in 3 more bullions normally
thick kelp
u have eranogg ring + diurna ring
gaunt owl
depends on the vault luck too
thick kelp
and sarka cloak
if u are unethical
u dont want crafted on other slots cuz ilvl loss
limber bear
THAT SAID i am also trying to save money for 2 big purchases
- POSSIBLY a fyrakk mount drop in 4 weeks since 5th week is the last week before amir becomes permanently awoken, which means price will go up
- all the warband tabs when TWW comes out. (ADHD brain does not like not having all possible upgrades)
dapper juniper
this this stats
should i play cleave or not
i feel low damage
in m+
not raid
limber bear
something i learned recently (since i started maining arms in keys) was that your damage output comes from stacking your cooldowns. they are not a "use 1 at a time" thing, they are a "FULL FUCKIN SEND IT" thing. They all line up fairly well so it never hurts. Sure you won't be padding the highest on every add pull, but what class does?
errant jackal
525 is max crafted ilvl yeah?
thick kelp
THAT SAID i am also trying to save money for 2 big purchases
- POSSIBLY a fyrakk...
get good and you will only need to buy one
limber bear
i think so yeah
halcyon breach
525 is max crafted ilvl yeah?
Yes
limber bear
get good and you will only need to buy one <a:chatting:1036769769543704576>
FUNNY THING IS that it's real life/time commitment from stopping me.
I got my hunter to 486 and was top dps in my guild and it was WEEKS before anyone caught up to me. ADHD brain go brrt and chase upgrades. But I had too much dedication to school (engineering student) to go looking for and fully commit myself to a mythic raid team
that said what i DO have enough time for is farming tuskar tackle boxes, which do add up over time
i've made over 1mil gold this expansion without any serious commitment to professions. How? tackle boxes
SPEAKING OF KEYS, time to get back to it
zenith warren
what is the best slot for non tier this season?
thick kelp
legs
dapper juniper
GUYS
if i kill fyrak avaken
awaken
is there any token like sylavanas bow
to upgrade
legendryu?
hazy flower
Token to upgrade lego is bought for bullions
If thats your question
You will be able to do so on wednesday assuming you drop your 2nd bullion insta next week
limber bear
short of just using stat stick trinkets (icon/OCE/pips) for cleeave/aoe, what good trinkets are there for aoe/cleave? for m+ or therwise
hazy flower
Mirror/puzzle box
crimson charm
Augury is still very strong on AoE as well
limber bear
WELL i got a puzzle box
wooden knot
WELL i got a puzzle box
I am praying to the vault gods for tomorrow
hazy flower
Yeah puzzle box is also not my favorite trinket as well because its 3 mins
But its good regardless
empty sluice
just get fragment
candid kindle
yeah puzzle box is awkward bc stading still and 3min
but its better than fragment
now we pray for oce next week
silk spade
in 3 more bullions normally
Diurna ring? No shot right?
limber bear
sim says the trampling hooves is a .6% upgrade FOR SINGLE TARGET
i presume it's even stronger in cleave/m+?
thick kelp
its worse for m+
silk spade
sim says the trampling hooves is a .6% upgrade FOR SINGLE TARGET
i presume it's...
Worse, splits damage
limber bear
OH weird
ok gotcha
currently i'm rocking puzzle box, and either rumbling ruby (for m+) or my old rezan's (for st)
but i'm going to be buying brand and OCE eventually so if i can get by for now without needing to chase trinkets in m+, i'll gladly just wait. go chase my necklace instead (main other thing i still need to updoot)
sullen plover
Missed all of s3. Can I farm leggo from normal Amirdrassil or only on heroic?
sullen plover
Awesome ty. Not sure how I could successfully pug heroic Amirdrassil but pug normal should be a walk in the park
limber bear
tldr just get like 490+ and get heroic kills. Ideal scenario is you also clear the rest of heroic for lesser ember drops
gaunt owl
the question is when do you loot it
on your first kill
or your last
think about it
limber bear
GRANTED, NOBODY IS RUNNING AMIR LIKE...AT ALL. i've been trying to find groups for my DK all week.
sullen plover
Ahhh. Thank you so much for the info
thick kelp
think i saw someone mention 90k for hc fyrakk only in a boosting community
limber bear
people that need it probably run it on wednesday first hour
noted, i'll check then. b/c i do still truly enjoy playing blood, and blood with the axe sounds VERY fun.
sullen plover
If you want to start a group or something just send me a ping, will try to pug in the meantime
limber bear
but trying to find a group this entire week has been....painful
sullen plover
but trying to find a group this entire week has been....painful
Yeah everyone is doing awakening
I did LFR Amirdrassil, possible to get it there right just super low chance?
candid kindle
yo wtf is uldaman
holy shit
1 st boss aoe bugg of stretched area isnt fixed
and wtf is that totem dmg holy xD
sullen plover
Uldaman was not giving this week lol
limber bear
can we spell reflect anything in uldaman?
limber bear
seems like i'm going to be living there until i get my neck. whopping 1% dps increase
candid kindle
same with tott 3rd boss dot
limber bear
isn't the serpent the 3rd boss.....
candid kindle
yes
its the same shit tho
rng cast
track the cd
send sr
iuf ure lucky u reflect a holy chunk of dmg
most ive reflected is 3
limber bear
that's a turkey!
candid kindle
its so much dmg
sour forge
Which spell is it?
limber bear
earthen sharts looks like
candid kindle
its called
sour forge
🫡
gaunt owl
luck of the draw
candid kindle
its all luck tho its rng based spell doesnt follow any setting
limber bear
you play the uno reverse card and pray
limber bear
so i know raidbots has a thingy to see what your crests are best spent on. like most bang for your buck upgrade, but safe to assume that next week, it will probably be the axe?
silk spade
seems like i'm going to be living there until i get my neck. whopping 1% dps inc...
Dw, it doesn't exist
limber bear
reminds me of the time i ran rise 26 times before i got a mirror on my hunter last season
proud plover
reminds me of 60+ mechagon run for the haste proc ring
limber bear
i ran it over 200 times last season
or at least it feels like i did
still need to count
proud plover
are +8's puggable atm?
limber bear
only if you're very brave or very foolish*
proud plover
im very brave by being very foolish
hallow vale
If you've played s1 and s2 dungeons you can pug 10 easily
since you already know the encounters
and routes etc
proud plover
yeah i know em all except ruby tbh i hate ruby
cursive sun
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3wsASSFB3Hr1dyyfteyxqu how are ur guys sims lookin like
for next week
strange perch
what do you guys think are the best fights for arms? for all 3 raids
gaunt owl
its actually a shit fight
proud plover
Terros
gaunt owl
best fight are Kurog / Sennarth / Neltharion / everything !
proud plover
no one looted anything?
silk spade
are +8's puggable atm?
I've been pugging 9s
limber bear
the lowest you need to pug is like 7-8 right?
8 8s to get a full mythic track vault, 7s for hero gear and crests?
gaunt owl
9
proud plover
+8
gaunt owl
is the minimum for mythic track
proud plover
dont 8's give myth track vault?
sour forge
9s give highest ilvl so you don’t use extra aspect crests
grand idol
7 is the lowest for hero track gear, and 8 is the lowest for myth track vault.
limber bear
9s give highest ilvl so you don’t use extra aspect crests
fair enough
sour forge
9=10 in terms of vault gear
proud plover
im not fussed on crests atm
limber bear
me neither
strange perch
just did a m0 uld and got LITERALLY NOTHING
now do this 50 more times
sour forge
I am I need to max all my tier gear I get next week as well as leggo
proud plover
#stillnotier
limber bear
now do this 50 more times
I AM THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY
RAN RISE OVER 200 TIMES LAST SEASON
strange perch
but you got lego, right? @proud plover
proud plover
but you got lego, right? <@242096763383578624>
yes
strange perch
silk spade
How many flightstones do you get from full clearing lfr?
maiden moat
what do you guys craft next week ?
halcyon breach
You wont get a 2nd embellishment next week
They confirmed it's only a full spark this week, and otherwise a half every week
Or rather, it's very likely to stay this way unless they decide to keep it to 1 full spark each week
slow saddle
5k flighty stones
mellow seal
do you still need to do fyrak quest
someone said the axe jst drops at the new ilvl tiers
limber bear
if you get it now, you don't need to spend bullion to upgrade it
it comes upgraded
but yes you still need to do the quest
errant jackal
what's bullion item priority for us, probs Awakened Leggo>Trinkets... maybe?
proud plover
check the pins
proud plover
grats
wicked aurora
it's so weird going from s3 set bonus to now actively having to reapply rend
proud plover
bloodletting still works fine tho right
worldly scaffold
dungeon slice sims work for arms?
proud plover
they work just not optimal
fossil thistle
heavy movement sim for 10m to simulate Raszageth?
proud plover
nah 5m patchwork sim as standard and just cleave with roar/ss
you want prio execute phase damage for raz imo unless you just padding
fossil thistle
Yes i use St build
glossy hill
how should be we simming for m+? dung slice or hectic add cleave
fossil thistle
more so it's not a standing in 1 spot with 0 movement fight
proud plover
no fight has you standing in 1 spot with zro movement tho
prisma heart
Do u still take shield breaker throw for razzy g big add + storm surge
fossil thistle
👀 That's why I tend to sim light movement
gray steeple
Just sim top gear imo.
proud plover
Do u still take shield breaker throw for razzy g big add + storm surge
you can, shield is big dam
prisma heart
Omg I hit a 700k wrecking throw in storm surge 
didn't even realize
proud plover
^^ yeah its nice
lost zodiac
is puzzlebox the only dungeon trinket we're farming
proud plover
im not farming it at all since the cast change, but yes pb is great fo aoe - hoof from rlp is also good
wary needle
hoof is from nokhud
proud plover
but raid trinkets exist on a vendor that will outperform all m+ drops AND be myth track
proud plover
blazebinders hoof from RLP
warped jackal
sooo i didnt play Arms S1 what crit % are we looking for before phials and what not
proud plover
sooo i didnt play Arms S1 what crit % are we looking for before phials and what ...
sim it (but cant go wrong with 40/40/20/20)
warped jackal
sim it (but cant go wrong with 40/40/20/20)
Thanks, currently at 30/40/26/20
ornate eagle
it's so weird going from s3 set bonus to now actively having to reapply rend
its so annoying
chrome flint
I am a bit confused with the build using 1min Roar in M+. With AM I get BS and WB off CD faster than my roar. Am I supposed to hold CD for roar or slam everything on CD ?
ornate eagle
just slam
silk spade
If you have WB and BS off CD, do you ever hold them if avatar is coming up soon?
Sometimes I have them up and avatar is coming off CD in like 20 seconds
nova marsh
no
You will always get WB in Avatar unless you're just not on the mobs
Send evreything on CD
teal fossil
20 is a long time
wicked aurora
its so annoying
I miss SD actually being a button I was excited to press
nova marsh
only button that should feel good to press is exe
proud plover
mortal strike when all the buffs combined is kinda fun
arms needs true execute = expends all remaining rage instead of capped at 40 - like rampage but on roids
ornate eagle
I miss SD actually being a button I was excited to press
same
which is why i voted for s3 tier
proud plover
i didnt vote - i like s3 tieer but i also likee s1 build diversity
ornate eagle
que
naive breach
Que
limber bear
man i love it when i can smack a boss for over 500k in 1 hit
nova marsh
what I'mma do at the end of DF
proud plover
what I'mma do at the end of DF
but timewalking weapon
limber bear
it scales HORRIBLY for TW
dire hinge
It's good in single target fights that last longer than about 3.5min or so
ie: dont use it in dungeons, or fights that you'll clear in like 1min
proud plover
use it in dungeons if the tank is chain pulling and you never drop stacks
it melts bosses
chrome flint
New to War and still trying to figure out what build to use & when.
From my understanding BS hybrid build is supposed to always perform better in M+ overall damage compared to the Juggernaut build. In exchange Jugg build offers more priority damage.
However, I ran some MDT sims and I noticed that some keys sim higher in favor of Jugg build, even as fortified. I'm confused if I should follow the sim of if I overlooked something in my sims.
For example +13 NO Fort
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/smbferGLyxGizZXPbozv51
& +13 NO Tyra.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ntUbm8zgGkSikyiwJKkrPx
I used the same route for both, which includes most commons double pulls. Which I though would make BS Hybrid better, but Jugg came out on top for both sims. So in some dungeons Juggernaut build does more overall & more priority damage ? I feel like I must have overlooked something obvious in the sims but since I picked up war recently my 
isn't developped enough.
tiny dock
alright so don't grab the signet with first bullion purchase lmao
strange perch
do we know if we get a cata charge weekly?
proud plover
New to War and still trying to figure out what build to use & when.
From my un...
simming m+ and running m+ are 2 completely diff things tbh - you build really depends on ya group comp
silk spade
do we know if we get a cata charge weekly?
Supposedly yes
proud plover
jugg build = you kill prio targets and bosses and just cleave with what you can, your output isnt really of concern / bstorm builds are a bag of everything and just perform overall / fob ww build is for pure aoe and only really useful if you have a ST pumper in the group to kill prio targets
chrome flint
Compared to other classes being played right now it doesn't seem like Arms is the aoe blaster. In that case shouldn't jugg build be more beneficial in most comps ?
proud plover
mostly yes
proud plover
Compared to other classes being played right now it doesn't seem like Arms is th...
thats w hat im running (still in t3 tho)
chrome flint
Does the aoe rotation and target cap remain identical between both builds ?
ST rotation for 2t or 4with SS
Aoe rotation for 3t or 5with SS ?
chrome flint
thats w hat im running (still in t3 tho)
So with that build you pretty much got 0 aoe ? Since no cleave nor bs
proud plover
will swap to imp ss for higheer keys cause shit lives longer
heaps of aoe with 1m roar and ss+op/dn
chrome flint
With jugg build does the target cap for aoe rotation remains identical during execute since we got so much st dam buffs ?
limber bear
ohmyfuggingod i just hit a mortal strike for over 800k
proud plover
its the same cause you send sd/exe/ms on prio target
and let the aoe come from op/dn and with ss up it hits twice but your rotation is same for prio dam - at most you tab target executes to keep jugg stacks
chrome flint
Oh why is it picking cleave on the wow head guide if we just full st prio mob
proud plover
or mouseover target*
proud plover
Oh why is it picking cleave on the wow head guide if we just full st prio mob
cause im still in s3 tier - with new 4pc you run cleave talents
and swap ms/cleave depending on targets
chrome flint
I'm simming and talking about the new 4 set
proud plover
rotation is the same running jugg m+ build tho - prio damagee and if targets right you send cleave where youd send ms in aoe and on ST and still have boss killing dam
chrome flint
And the target cap remains identical for both jugg and BS build.
chrome flint
Does the aoe rotation and target cap remain identical between both builds ?
ST ...
That
Or due to ST damage increase we start cleaving at 4 targets +
chrome flint
Well in jugg build there is no BS
limber bear
4t im sure and send bstorm for hurricane buff not its damage
i've started doing this, it gets results
proud plover
ill send huge ms into a pack of 20+ mobs to kill a prio target tho
limber bear
ms?
proud plover
im just build diff - my job is prio target/boss killer and passive cleave when i can
wicked aurora
Compared to other classes being played right now it doesn't seem like Arms is th...
idk I kinda blast in keys
polar orbit
is madness of the betrayer good for us?
proud plover
is madness of the betrayer good for us?
its not bad for us but easily replaced
chrome flint
idk I kinda blast in keys
I'm keeping up or ahead of most dps, but when a good sp or mage rolls around I get gapped
polar orbit
just realised i was asking arms questions in the fury channel
nice folks over there didnt mention it lol
proud plover
oce/icon/anvil/brand exist, on a vendor in myth track that you can GET FROM RUNNING LFR
wicked aurora
oce/icon/anvil/brand exist, on a vendor in myth track that you can GET FROM RUNN...
I got lucky
proud plover
yeah nice
proud plover
ive looted 5x boots, chest, helm, belt, pants - grieftorch from lfr and a fucking ruby whelp shell
wicked aurora
honestly wish I had looted a weapon
woulda saved me resources on upgrading the lego tomorrow
proud plover
5k flightstones x
quartz schooner
honestly wish I had looted a weapon
Asking for a friend, how would this have saved? Don't you still need to spend the same to upgrade the Lego if it's your first wep at X ilvl?
wicked aurora
Asking for a friend, how would this have saved? Don't you still need to spend th...
well if you loot a 515 weapon
you save some resources on upgrading the lego
quartz schooner
Ah right what does the buillion take Lego to? Like 507?
wicked aurora
502
quartz schooner
Gotcha, ty
limber bear
it's a long term investment 🫠
wicked aurora
for the bullshit I had to do to craft the thing the least they could do is give us a higher starting point lmao
proud plover
considering if you loot it now you get a 502 for free
novel canyon
wtb leggo
polar orbit
considering if you loot it now you get a 502 for free
If you loot it out of LFR can it be upgraded all the way?
proud plover
If you loot it out of LFR can it be upgraded all the way?
same ilvl no matter where you loot it
hard cedar
Anyone know if getting a mythic weapon will remove the crest and halve the flightstone cost of upgrading legendary?
reef glade
yes
hard cedar
Sweet
weak saffron
Guys, I need some help with my performance on Terros, can I have some advice if I link my log here?
proud plover
weak saffron
Thanks!
surreal wigeon
jugg or bs?
proud plover
and no cruel strikes, nice
sour forge
Fury down bad
proud plover
who was getting pi if i may ask?
neon void
anyone can help me out with a clean wa?
wicked aurora
who was getting pi if i may ask?
there was PI?
wicked aurora
who was getting pi if i may ask?
looks like mage
reef glade
bruh aint nobody running jugg in keys
that shits troll
no more souped up sd procs from tier
barely any value on bosses
fervent stream
hey everyone, just got my legendary axe (yay). I'm wondering if I should be delaying my CS window to make sure I use the active ability during the dmg buff increase, or just use the huge Str boost from ToM.
Same goes with the other CDs like reck, and TR. Should I hold CD to line up with the active ability?
strong kraken
yyo wheres everyyone putting their flavor pocket this season?
wicked aurora
hey everyone, just got my legendary axe (yay). I'm wondering if I should be dela...
no
it doesn't benefit from anything other than being a hasted channel
just use it outside of CD's
uncut hound
more accurately bs/cleave
do you have 4 set already?
outer holly
I'm guessing 2 set
uncut hound
i just cant do anywhere close to that, did about 218k in 8 azure vault at 492 with last seasons tier set
outer holly
Is your tank pulling groups properly and you're not wiping? Those 2 issues absolutely kill your overall
Like I can lose up to 150k DPS between a good tank and a bad tank
uncut hound
dps pretty even across the board idk if its tank, prob me
outer holly
Might be, always good to check your rotation and when to hold CDs for more damage on bigger packs etc
wicked aurora
do you have 4 set already?
yes
not like giga high, I just got two lfr pieces and then one catalyst and the heroic piece from killing raz
vague nova
pins say we go bsl neck but i have a hero neck and hero rings already would it be troll to put it on my feet
or at that point just go shadowflame?
im running vers wrist as my other embellish
shadow ibex
boreal quartz
Might be, always good to check your rotation and when to hold CDs for more damag...
Holding CDs bad
boreal quartz
pins say we go bsl neck but i have a hero neck and hero rings already would it b...
Can do boots temporarily yea
Legs too
If 4p
vague nova
awesome ty
charred brook
@boreal quartz can u look at my log in log review
i need the goat to either help me cope or tell me im shit
boreal quartz
Not in my phone or i will get ass cancer
charred brook
im comparing with other logs of like tmyy and shit
and the breakdown is the same, just lower damage
boreal quartz
Look at tmys cast sequence and urs
boreal quartz
LOL
charred brook
so i feel like its a shit gear problem
boreal quartz
And didnt get to last season sim dps yes
Well aquire upgrades until i can properly look at the log
charred brook
Yeah im just gonna keep spamming m+ until raid tomorrow
boreal quartz
Do you at least have a 522 weapon
charred brook
yes
boreal quartz
Or a chance to get 4P
boreal quartz
Socket your neck you fiend
charred brook
yeah i just got it
boreal quartz
Check if 2p2p is better than whatever that mess is
charred brook
i tried that it wasnt
boreal quartz
Also the rings seem a bit criminal - cant see where ur getting ANY haste from
- shadowflame xdd
charred brook
Also the rings seem a bit criminal - cant see where ur getting ANY haste from
yeah i dont even know where to begin lol
boreal quartz
No point simming above 509 if no crests innit
Socketed rings would also go hard
Even last season 486
warm bronze
Feelsbad still doing almost 100K more DPS overall on fury vs arms
must've spent hours the last few days fine tuning stats / farming 503+ recc trinkets on wowhead but no difference
hoping for a good vault tomorrow, got the piece from Fyrakk / catalysts / tier token from normal 🙂
boreal quartz
prob is i didnt play last season
Did u get lego
If not ur giga turbofucked next week
charred brook
Did u get lego
No
I’ve ran it twice so far
On heroic
Gonna be ashkandur for me for a while
boreal quartz
Gonna be ashkandur for me for a while
Ur so doomed
charred brook
Stop ur gonn give me nightmares im in bed
I have no choice I just started playing again
WTH am I supposed to do
warm bronze
I don't get more than 240K ish overall in my +6 to +7s
still have no idea what I'm doing wrong
boreal quartz
Pay the 200k for it or be eternally behind
boreal quartz
I don't get more than 240K ish overall in my +6 to +7s
Playin 7s isnt good for owvwrall
wicked aurora
I don't get more than 240K ish overall in my +6 to +7s
idk but that was a 6
boreal quartz
Higher key = more damage to do
charred brook
I’m doing like 340k overall in 7s with my poop gear