on prio target with ss no?
#arms
prisma heart
how 2 find good tank and healer friends 
no one in my guild wants 2 play w. me maybe im the problem... 
reef glade
elfin kindle
Ure also 491
sullen plover
Is that too low?
rose matrix
Do you start following your single target rotation on two targets or do you always follow the multi target rotation?
analog marten
thoughts on iredius fragment vs puzplebox 😄
fossil thistle
2 targets
SS on cd
You can use cleave for applying DW or just tab target and MS back and forth
cursive sun
how do i get quick renoun for valdrakken accord
apparently i cant do sige on dragonbane keep
kekL
fossil thistle
thoughts on iredius fragment vs puzplebox 😄
Puzzle box a bit better but if you really don’t like the 1s cast 🤷🏻♂️
fossil thistle
Do you start following your single target rotation on two targets or do you alwa...
Single target rotation on 2 targets with SS on cd
fossil thistle
how 2 find good tank and healer friends <:sadge:820202363359854633> no one in my...
Just remind them you’re a warrior
fossil thistle
232k sim single target raid too low? I only have 2pc and no leggo weapon 😦
230k is pretty good, I’m only simming about 238k with fyralath.
Mind you, I’m still using S3 trinkets at 483 🤷🏻♂️
olive oracle
I bought the wrong set item for my mark of mastery 😦 the head icon looked like shoulders lmao and yes i equipped them so no refund for me
Dont do same mistake as me xD
naive sage
I bought the wrong set item for my mark of mastery 😦 the head icon looked like ...
I did the same
Fucking hell
olive oracle
😦
rose matrix
Single target rotation on 2 targets with SS on cd
Thanks
fossil thistle
@olive oracle At least you can get more. Kinda sucks in week 1, but by week 3 you'll have forgotten about it
waxen warren
Can the chest from the TW weekly drop tier pieces?
exotic kestrel
no
waxen warren
is it loot from the raid or random world 493s?
prisma heart
dungeon weekly is df raids and illidan is hero version of stuff that drops in BT
waxen warren
alright thanks
polar stream
for M+ do i only bother going cleave build with 4 set?
I have 2 and 2
and not feeling cleave is doing any damage
daring heron
would prolly skip cleave in most cases with 2p2p
though old 4p might do better in aoe than 2p2p
halcyon breach
Cleave doesn't do a ton of damage, but it helps with applying Deep Wounds on a constant basis, which also adds up
lone imp
Honestly t31 single bs pipes
prisma heart
cleave go crazy sometimes fr fr
daring heron
noted
lone imp
aa?
steep osprey
is FoB better than the usual build
boreal quartz
Where tmy stream
Fake streamer
fresh spire
Real
dull siren
Where tmy stream
i can fix
daring heron
feel like it's more of an arms good than fob good angle
lone imp
Man I don't even have t32 yet, but still been playing arms in keys
Turns out t31 still fucks lol
Arms good
steep osprey
feel like it's more of an arms good than fob good angle
real
boreal quartz
Arm always good
boreal quartz
Where tmy stream
Hop on
lone imp
I'm in bby
steep osprey
hop on dn
lone imp
brazen sigil
How doable is DOTI hardmode atm? I’ve been seeing people say it’s kind of not worth doing because it’s overly tuned but curious if any of you have done it yet this week.
vast jetty
Can't wait for Wednesday to pick up that 4p. Feels bad sitting on 3/4p
steep osprey
I'm not gonna touch it
vast jetty
How doable is DOTI hardmode atm? I’ve been seeing people say it’s kind of not wo...
very good M+ group from my guild took 2,5 hours to clear hardmode. This is after they did 55 M+ and was fully geared
brazen sigil
Can't wait for Wednesday to pick up that 4p. Feels bad sitting on 3/4p
4 piece is nice. Feels very strong in keys when you can get invited. 😂
vast jetty
4 piece is nice. Feels very strong in keys when you can get invited. 😂
Sims tells me it's a 42.250 DPS upgrade to get the last piece 😄
lone imp
I think the word is out that arms gonna crank
brazen sigil
Holy shit. I’ve only done 20 or so I think so far this week. I’m around 504 with very bad trinkets. Actually using the HOI trinket in M+ atm and hate it
lone imp
doesn't seem incredibly difficult to get into keys
steep osprey
atleast you're not using box
brazen sigil
You Eu?
lone imp
na
brazen sigil
Hmmm must be skill issue for me
lone imp
idk lol
vast jetty
I havent had much issue with M+ invites either, but there is clearly a difference between those lucky enough to have 4p already, and the rest
turbid pebble
How doable is DOTI hardmode atm? I’ve been seeing people say it’s kind of not wo...
It took my group maybe 1 hr to clear max 45-1hr because of extended ro
opaque citrus
doesn't seem incredibly difficult to get into keys
I can’t get into any pugs unless it’s like a 4 and I end up doing 50% of the Dps
opaque citrus
But I also have gotten fuck all for drops and haven’t had a lot of time to play
So I’m like 498
brazen sigil
I can’t get into any pugs unless it’s like a 4 and I end up doing 50% of the Dps
Same
vast jetty
But I also have gotten fuck all for drops and haven’t had a lot of time to play
Why not do your own keys then?
opaque citrus
Why not do your own keys then?
I do
lone imp
I haven't had much time to do keys this week, I had a big ass catering I had to do
opaque citrus
It’s the literal only way I’ve done keys when friends aren’t around
lone imp
I'm uhhh 1800, which is just okay but it's not nothin I guess
brazen sigil
Why not do your own keys then?
I have a 10 HOI that i’m kinda dreading. We were 30 mins over one with guildies a few days ago but actually ended up finishing.
opaque citrus
vast jetty
You can cheat your way to luck tho. We have 2 degen hunters in the guild, they simply paid their way to the last pieces, offering 1m gold for LFR piece.
turbid pebble
I lost the 50/50 on a 100 tie in lfr
lone imp
I have 2 heroic tokens and a myth track helm to cata
brazen sigil
Last 2 bosses in HOI fuck
lone imp
Box should be nice
steep osprey
I am nice
opaque citrus
You can cheat your way to luck tho. We have 2 degen hunters in the guild, they s...
I have like 250k to my name and that’s bc I bought a token the other day
vast jetty
I have like 250k to my name and that’s bc I bought a token the other day
I'm with you. Sitting at a total of 26k gold across my account
opaque citrus
I'm with you. Sitting at a total of 26k gold across my account
Running keys on my warrior with 8 gold yesterday 
Extra incentive to not die
vast jetty
I'm a few enchants away from having to buy another token
brazen sigil
Man wtf. Why am I struggling to get into keys then
steep osprey
idk man, it is what it is
turbid pebble
(511 in bags so thats what they see when i sign up)
lone imp
I would have a bunch more ilvl and io, I just been too busy to play unfortunately
brazen sigil
I’m 504 now with my M+ set and either I get into caster groups where i’m getting my ass kicked in dam, or other groups where i’m just curb stomping the meters.
brazen sigil
Kinda feeling like arms is the play for m+ this season tho.
lone imp
Arms fucks
turbid pebble
Demo is real good with s3 tier and destro is to the moon with new 4pc
opaque citrus
casters being demo locks?
Deva
turbid pebble
I need to cave and play arms i just feel like a gold fish when i spec into arms and walk into a key
steep osprey
i wanna play deva, gearing up alts should be easy
opaque citrus
Actually disgusting
brazen sigil
I’ve been trying to get into similar keys to get a good feel for which is doing better but each key seems to be wildly different from one another. In general if I play it correctly arms seems better. It just feels weird as fuck to play cleave
steep osprey
i also have an sp alt
hazy flower
SP is broken
Feels like
brazen sigil
Especially if you want to focus target something vs cleaving the whole pack, or you accidentally use cleave as filler with an OP stack up
opaque citrus
SP is free io
hazy flower
Destro beats sp on first pack in aa
opaque citrus
If you’re decent at it
opaque citrus
Destro beats sp on first pack in aa
Yes SP mass aoe isn’t as good
opaque citrus
But in any other reasonable pull it smokes everyone
hazy flower
Send vp on 6 important mobs
Then shadow crash for extra dam/funnel
And blast them prio mobs
turbid pebble
Are there any decent video guides for how to play arms this tier or am i stuck trying to reread wowhead arms guide
opaque citrus
Video guides are generally rough to make and upkeep
Since the second one thing changes it needs to be entirely remade
opaque citrus
Are there any decent video guides for how to play arms this tier or am i stuck t...
Best case would be to supplement the guide by asking questions in here and watching people like critcake and Tmy when they stream
turbid pebble
🫡
wind flicker
I doubt much will change this season as its fated, so it will most likely stay relevant
balmy agate
What's is Arms' BIS ST at rn?
chilly hull
i dont have lego yet. what should I buy for bullions? 🙂
daring axle
Not sure if it has been asked, if i don't have the legendary do i hold to get it with bullion or ?
^^ lol
tropic umbra
When in the m+ build and fighting in single target, do i want to hold mortal strike until i've built up two stacks of martial prowess (+ whatever execurtioner's stacks i can get) or just send mortal strike on cd and use OP and whirlwind as filler?
slow saddle
Leggo is looted only of fyrakk!
daring axle
yeh not asking that, do i upgrade with bullion and buy something or hold it
to get the legendary
tropic umbra
depends on how close you are to the high chances of dropping imo
8 kills? just use it, 12-13? save it.
daring axle
ok ty yeh yeh got like 6 so if dont get wednesday i just use
hazy flower
i dont have lego yet. what should I buy for bullions? 🙂
Probably ashkandur, depends on your fyrakk kills
If its somewhere in the early numbers send ashk
15 is guaranteed fyi
slow saddle
Nah
Buy ring
Ring + random weap from raid or m+
Vs just ashkandur?
Id take ring ngl
olive nest
If you’re able to farm a 522 weapon you probably should just do that and spend bullion on the ring
sacred zodiac
Probably ashkandur, depends on your fyrakk kills
ring might be better, just sim it
ashk vs max lvl weapon + ring
olive nest
I’d kill fyrakk heroic before spending bullion though incase you get lucky
tropic umbra
When in the m+ build and fighting in single target, do i want to hold mortal str...
did anyone have an answer to this?
hazy flower
ring might be better, just sim it
Maybe yeah, youre right
hazy flower
did anyone have an answer to this?
Ms on cd
tropic umbra
cool, ty
sacred zodiac
martial prowess never matters in st ye
tropic umbra
i see, i see
now i just gotta figure out the best time to send bladestorm
can't tell if i should do it within CS or not
hazy flower
It only mattered for like half of s3 during exe phase once better apl has been discovered
Which is piss
In whole expansion
sacred zodiac
ye but it dont anymore
hazy flower
Yep
sacred zodiac
can't tell if i should do it within CS or not
i think in st you bs then wb in st but no guarantee this is good info
tropic umbra
sims say that, i just found it hard to believe
tropic umbra
idk, TR and bladestorm on pull then CS after feels weird
hazy flower
i think in st you bs then wb in st but no guarantee this is good info
Ye u do
tropic umbra
i feel like they want to be in a buff xD
hazy flower
Bs does beans dam on st
sacred zodiac
you dont want to be bladestorming in your wb in st you can be hitting ms and stuff
same as roar, the dot doesnt snapshot and is long enough so you just send it upfront
tropic umbra
fair enough, guess i'll do that then
hazy flower
- roar is getting buffed by hurricane while youre still bladestorming
tropic umbra
oh yeah
grim anchor
bruh I dont understand why my dmg is bad
turbid pebble
Which wowhead build should i follow for m+ with t31 set and t31.5
sacred zodiac
idk what that means but you probably want the s3 build
s3->s4 (4p) talent change is legit just putting one point into cleave
cinder dove
So we go ava, roar, bs, wb in st while we go sweeping, ava, wb, bs, roar in multi?
sacred zodiac
why would you sweep two globals before bladestorming lol
grim anchor
whats the rotation for raiding?
sacred zodiac
should be outlined in the guides no?
turbid pebble
s3->s4 (4p) talent change is legit just putting one point into cleave
Sorry i worded it poorly but yes thank you i didn’t know how much of a talent change arms for s3 vs s4 tier set is in m+
grim anchor
should be outlined in the guides no?
cant find it
slate briar
Howdy fellas. I’ve been playing since MoP and I’ve never actually touched arms warrior, made and alt, leveled it up. And I’ve played about ever class there is so far….
Am I crazy to think arms warrior has some button bloat goin on? I feel like I have the same amount of keybinds as I do when I play mistweaver monk at this point
sage badge
Has a bit of button bloat for sure.
slate briar
Okay good I was worried I was just going crazy, I had no idea y’all had this many buttons. Respect. I thought it was kinda like fury. 5 rotational buttons and a handful of “if blank then blank” buttons. Sheesh
clever crag
charred brook
and in pvp everything is situational too lmao
sage badge
Fortunately, arms' filler buttons get replaced. Like TClap replaces both slam and rend for filler. TClap applies rend with blood and thunder talent. So you don't technically have to bind those two.
turbid pebble
Wait so i can unbind slam?
I figured rend could get unbound for TClap but never thought about unbinding slam
sage badge
Unless you talent into crushing force
sage badge
I personally keep both bound, for muscle memory. Who knows what TWW balance will look like.
Uh, I'm on mobile atm. Basically swap SD to FoB, SoS to CD, and SoA to Imp. Sweep
From the standard cleave m+ build
thick kelp
thank u 
tiny dock
ngl since I got back I've been slapping slam so I don't cap rage lol
sage badge
Rage management currently isnt important. Until execute phase.
OP with Dreadnaught deals more damage than slam.
tiny dock
ty, will unbind slam lol
cinder dove
why would you sweep two globals before bladestorming lol
When do you sweep?
sacred zodiac
after bladestorm?
cinder dove
It's a "useless" CD within bs buff though
halcyon breach
what
opaque citrus
Sweeping pre-bladestorm is a waste of like 5 globals of sweep
halcyon breach
How is it useless within Hurricane?
opaque citrus
How is it useless within Hurricane?
I assume by buff he meant duration?
cinder dove
I mean, it's not a DMG CD; if I use it earlier I lose a few swings (which I can replace with cleave) but I lose a major CD during hurricane
halcyon breach
What do you mean you lose a major CD
hazy flower
It is dmg cd in 2t+
halcyon breach
Sweeping costs half a global to use, compared to giving up 4-5 globals worth of Sweeping if you use it before BS
tiny dock
sweeping strikes is used with bladestorm?
sacred zodiac
you lose one button press during hurricane sure but what are you losing though
hazy flower
4,5 sec for bladestorm + 2 gcds?
Thats a lot
Thats half of the duration
Unless u play with imp ss
sacred zodiac
ideally you sweep after both cleave and ww are on cd and the next gcd after is overpower which is then doubled by the sweep you just pressed
hazy flower
Then its still a 1/3
cinder dove
I see; so sweeping inside hurricane window, got it
halcyon breach
You're severely underestimating how good SS is in AoE, especially combined with Dreadnaught
cinder dove
Ye I tend to forget that, one CD in hurricane is not much compared to the gains
tiny dock
noob question but SS is used with bs now?
cinder dove
Thanks for the heads up, this channel is always useful
sacred zodiac
ye but again the gcd you'd replace by sweeping before bladestorm is probably overpowering twice in a row instead of sweep overpowering and you dont sacrifice like more than half of your ss duration for it
halcyon breach
noob question but SS is used with bs now?
You use SS after BS
Using it before BS does nothing but waste uptime of the buff
lone imp
OP/DN combined is always my top dmg source in keys
What's dn
sacred zodiac
um actually i am unhinged
halcyon breach
um actually i am unhinged
You are you demon
lone imp
sacred zodiac
terror drone in your house
boreal quartz
HOSENCHECK@sacred zodiac @sacred zodiac @halcyon breach
halcyon breach
Crazy Ivan outside your door
sacred zodiac
happy birthday!
halcyon breach
HOSENCHECK<@164800371057754112> <@164800371057754112> <@102464908976730112>
Enchanted and equipped
sacred zodiac
fucked up
daring heron
enchanted? 🤔
halcyon breach
Sorry armour kitted up
tiny dock
guys as a completely new DF player, what do I spend my bronze on come 2nd week
sacred zodiac
banezi caught using the lambent armour kit
tiny dock
ashkandur or do I grab a trinket?
sacred zodiac
legendary upgrade if you have that, otherwise sim the dps diff between a mythic weapon with eranog ring vs just ashkandur
tiny dock
nah don't have the leg, don't even think I can get it easily that quick
mainly just looking to stick to M+ for a couple weeks before mop remix
sacred zodiac
if you just care about short term then sure send ashk
tall notch
@tiny dock love your nick mate ❤️
charred brook
i could never justify ashkandur knowing that its eventually getting replaced regardless
tiny dock
<@152269575998799872> love your nick mate ❤️
haha ty bro
charred brook
when an eranog ring would last the entire season
tiny dock
eranog ring, i'll check it out
halcyon breach
Ashkandur is still an option if you decide to try Fury as well
tiny dock
would I really replace ashkandur that quickly?
tiny dock
I'm like 484ilvl lol
halcyon breach
If you don't have Lego, then nothing would beat Ashkandur
tiny dock
it costs a lot to make the leggo if I was even to get it to drop right?
halcyon breach
Probably, haven't checked recent prices
tiny dock
i can't get the leggo with the bronze?
charred brook
Ashkandur is great..but eventually its getting replaced no matter what
halcyon breach
But it was around 150-200k when I made it
sacred zodiac
if you diligently clear hc every week and try to get some mythic fyrakk kills aswell you can be looking at legendary in 4-5 weeks maybe
halcyon breach
i can't get the leggo with the bronze?
Only the upgrade
tiny dock
gotchya, thx lads
turbid pebble
Which of these is the suggested build for us to play in s4
grim anchor
how many people are supposed to get the axe per raid?
halcyon breach
The Hybrid one typically
charred brook
its personal loot
sacred zodiac
depends on their bad luck protection
tall notch
I have a question, should i swap for 2p season 4 or stick to 4p season 3 and replace it when i aquire all 4p season 4?
halcyon breach
how many people are supposed to get the axe per raid?
The entire raid could loot it at once
turbid pebble
The Hybrid one typically
🫡
charred brook
I have a question, should i swap for 2p season 4 or stick to 4p season 3 and rep...
sim it
sacred zodiac
0-30
rapid bronze
man I ran with an spriest in a 9 Nokhud yesterday that 414k overall. Wtf is going on with them?
charred brook
most people say dont swap until 4 set, but more me 2-2 was a DPS increase
because of ilvl
tiny dock
also, since I'm focused on M+, i should be simming dungeon slice > patchwerk every time right?
grim anchor
The entire raid could loot it at once
:((
halcyon breach
Dungeon slice for Arms is fairly optimised, but keep in mind that things like trinkets simming well in dungeon slice, wont necessarily mean they're the best trinkets to actually use
I personally however stick to Patchwerk 5 min 1 target for both raid and m+ sims
charred brook
for trinks u can always check bloodmallet
tiny dock
alright, thanks banezi
tiny dock
also, i'm assuming allied wrists will always be simmed assuming the vers is 4 stack all the time?
night agate
What ilvl is the leggo when upgraded?
halcyon breach
502 immediately, and you can upgrade it to 535
halcyon breach
also, i'm assuming allied wrists will always be simmed assuming the vers is 4 st...
Yes
Or rather, at 94% uptime (for some reason)
night agate
502 immediately, and you can upgrade it to 535
Ty
halcyon breach
But the extra 6% uptime wouldn't make a noticeable difference either way
tiny dock
sweet, ty
halcyon breach
(4.8k flightstones)
Just have 2.9k Flightstones saved with cap + Flightstones items and a 522 weapon
Simply that easy
sacred zodiac
we did 3 man plunderstorm yday
clowned on some kids and got 750 flightstones out of it itemized
free money
you wouldve shit your pants if you had to face the her squad (+ anda as draeni)
tiny dock
https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/arms/trinkets/castingpatchwerk
im smooth brain, is this just a list of best trinkets for arms ST?
halcyon breach
you wouldve shit your pants if you had to face the her squad (+ anda as draeni)
shidding
I need to find like 50 Flightstones from items somewhere
sacred zodiac
surely you just do one world quest on wed
halcyon breach
nO!
sacred zodiac
obliterates you
halcyon breach
sacred zodiac
phys dam sorry
halcyon breach
no shieldblock emote
sacred zodiac
guess you have no counter
empty sluice
wait iftk only 800 dps behind? 😮 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wczjP7jHdgvN7uCAJytGtZ
rapid bronze
have we figured out an effective flightstones farm?
sacred zodiac
its probably still seeds
nimble basin
wait if we get a hero weap we can just upgrade it fully as next week legendary will just be flightstones then ey? huge tbf.
got a two hander drop finally lol
halcyon breach
wait if we get a hero weap we can just upgrade it fully as next week legendary w...
It will only cost Flightstones up till the upgrade point of your Hero weapon
olive nest
So it will cost you 1.5x the flightstones since you have to upgrade the 2nd item
halcyon breach
After that it'll cost crests again
nimble basin
ahhh used my wyrm crests but have aspect spare. Gutted lol
so could've gone to 522 had i saved some wyrms lmao
oops
olive nest
IMO it’s Monday so you might as well just wait for Lego at this point
nimble basin
yeh fair
halcyon breach
The advantage of having a weapon upgraded this reset is that you can stock up on Flightstones, then have it upgraded sooner on reset day
olive nest
Otherwise you have to farm extra flightstones
copper swan
the amount u used before reset can be refarmed to the cap
nimble basin
I guess it depends if youre capped or near cap right.
olive nest
What bane said
tiny dock
do I need to line up thunderous roar with CS? or just slam that shit on cd
copper swan
y that's the idea
zealous sphinx
Or if you play fury lol
halcyon breach
These, gotten from Plunderstorm, combined with Flightstones cap can net you basically instant upgrade from 1 to 14 on the lego
nimble basin
annoying though, didn't think to save 30 wyrm crests for weap this week. Had 15, and 60 aspects lol.
oh well
weapon still a 10k + increase even at 509 wtf
olive nest
I spent all my crests
halcyon breach
do I need to line up thunderous roar with CS? or just slam that shit on cd
If it's ST and you have Test of Might talented, you can just hammer it on cooldown since overlapping it with either CS or Test of Might is a minor difference
olive nest
Really no reason to save as long as they’re going to the right items
halcyon breach
However in AoE, you want to align abilities as much as possible, without losing casts overall
zealous sphinx
Remember trying to make a plan of where my crest are going and everything last tier turns out week 2/3 it didnt even matter anymore
olive nest
No reason not too
nimble basin
quicker legendary upgrade day 1 reset I guess?
halcyon breach
Got nothing else to use them on rn anyway
zealous sphinx
I spent it all who cares
olive nest
I spent mine on 528 weapon and 525 wrists
tiny dock
However in AoE, you want to align abilities as much as possible, without losing ...
alright cool, so slam it on ST, hold it for aoe
olive nest
And all my wyrms went into 515 tier pieces in every slot
halcyon breach
alright cool, so slam it on ST, hold it for aoe
More or less
olive nest
Well and some into the wep nvm wrong
kind sonnet
what is the ilvl leggo goes up to s4 ?
halcyon breach
535
kind sonnet
snake boss ?
olive nest
Use spell reflect
steep osprey
That's not helping
nimble basin
You mean the Dot they do?
kind sonnet
next week we pumpin
steep osprey
gaming
hazy flower
How can I reflect snake boss in uldaman
Generally
You pop first reflect 3 sec into the pull
Then unless tank fucks it up
The order should be like this
cloud orbit
does anyone know how many crests we need to upgrade wep to 535?
hazy flower
He spawns golden orbs into aoe into dot
steep osprey
a lot
hazy flower
I usually pop reflect after the aoe
steep osprey
I usually pop reflect after the aoe
Okay thanks
zealous sphinx
Doesnt it go out of sync theres basically no timer on it
hazy flower
If the dot and aoe are like 5sec apart
halcyon breach
does anyone know how many crests we need to upgrade wep to 535?
60 Wyrms 90 Aspects
hazy flower
It may seem like dot is first
halcyon breach
If you have no weapon above 502
cloud orbit
60 Wyrms 90 Aspects
Tyvm!
hazy flower
I get a bit lost when tanks fuck it up though
zealous sphinx
That dot sr fucking slaps
safe delta
sims
kind sonnet
just play dwarf
hazy flower
Sims 4
glossy hill
next week we pumpin
i get 4 set + 6 options in vault + lego upgrade i cant wait
oblique jewel
Would you guys use 506 HC wep over legendary for m+?
glossy hill
no
just use lego this week, untl you max upgrade it next week
have have less than 24 hours until max lego upgrade
oblique jewel
yes but now that i have the 506, im conflicted betweens those two ^^
glossy hill
what does sim say?
sacred zodiac
legendary might still be better for m+ cause of the cantrip shite
the difference probably isn't too big
if you care about more st throw on the 506 sure
sharp dust
hazy flower
sims the 506 higher
Thats surprising, it simmed like 3% lower for me
Which is quite a big diff
sacred zodiac
which one
oblique jewel
what are your sim settings?
sacred zodiac
the haste weps from dungeons were like +5k while the ones that didnt have haste were like giga negative for me
hazy flower
Idk the stats, the nokhud one
sacred zodiac
ye it doesnt have hsate
turbid finch
Just making sure, we shouldn't break the season 3 4 set bonus until we can get the 4 set from the new season, right?
sacred zodiac
might be worth breaking it, have to sim it
turbid finch
I got two heroic pieces, tried em out and I miss free tclaps
Really, really miss free tclaps
hazy flower
We get lego in 2 days anyway so 
oblique jewel
im usually simming 5 targets, patchwerk style, 1 min for m+ simming
any1 simming differently for m+?
daring heron
Thats surprising, it simmed like 3% lower for me
509 weapon simmed 3k higher for me vs leggo
sacred zodiac
which 509 tho
hazy flower
509 weapon simmed 3k higher for me vs leggo
I’ll have to recheck for science I guess then
daring heron
beeeg haste
hazy flower
I have the 509 gorehowl too
sacred zodiac
ye its a haste wep
hazy flower
But its no haste still
sacred zodiac
we're like ridiculously haste hungry unless you have both rings and belt with haste
halls ring if like +5-7k for me right now i think over the crit mast ring i have rn
noble oxide
arms > fury with new sets?
glossy hill
yes
nimble basin
we arms boys now
turbid finch
might be worth breaking it, have to sim it
It technically sims 3k higher, but it also changes the execute rotation. No more cramming as many executes in as possible. This is all st btw
noble oxide
thanks lads
sacred zodiac
idk if the arms apl even has conditionals for if you have set or not
but ye the optimum for s4 tier exe rotation is much less cringe than s3
oblique jewel
509 weapon simmed 3k higher for me vs leggo
what are ur sim settings for m+?
daring heron
i dont actually sim for m+
oblique jewel
Just pure ST sim then?
daring heron
same stats as ST, change trinkets/talents to what i want and then go
no overthinking just go
minor gust
1 more day till 4 set and I can show the ppl arms owns
oblique jewel
no overthinking just go
👌 😎
turbid finch
but ye the optimum for s4 tier exe rotation is much less cringe than s3
It looks like the new optimal rotation is 3x execute then MS, skipping overpower unless you don't have the rage for the 3rd execute
sacred zodiac
very oversimplified but technically true sure
swift crown
I had a dream me and Spongie became best friends foreva
turbid finch
very oversimplified but technically true sure
Yeah, that's just the spark notes version
opal folio
it is everywhere
boreal quartz
@opal folio fans arrive tmr + wed day off to assemble
boreal quartz
What is up with the "i had a dream me and x did y" meta?
I had a dream me and critcake did mango farming together
daring heron
i had a dream
opal folio
<@468117856664682522> fans arrive tmr + wed day off to assemble
Poggers
daring heron
wait what fans
boreal quartz
Yea i had the 2 12mm ones only from my 4000D
So im getting 2 14mm arctic ones for intake
daring heron
noctua? pausechamp
boreal quartz
And repurposing
boreal quartz
noctua? pausechamp
Overkill for my pc
opal folio
I love how crits suggestions matched mine in the exact order and reasoning as well
boreal quartz
opal folio
Although I did suggest phanteks t30 alongside the noctua initially as I believe those are superior
opal folio
He already has that rig
opal folio
Been x3d since sark I believe
boreal quartz
Dont really need it tbh
boreal quartz
phil joining the x3d masterrace
Had it for a while now, great thing
boreal quartz
Been x3d since sark I believe
YEP (though gpu since nymue)
sacred zodiac
I had a dream me and Spongie became best friends foreva
so true !!!!
boreal quartz
YEP (though gpu since nymue)
the incident @opal folio
opal folio
boreal quartz
<:deadge:900279927138578432>
Even on new monitor flawless 120 fps in raid tho 
opal folio
Do you game at 240, or lock it to 120?
daring heron
nah 240
opal folio
Pog
daring heron
usually can hover above 200 even in big pulls m+
daring heron
raid combat is usually 100ish with some dips tho but thats fine
boreal quartz
If anything id get a fishtank case, those are funny
opal folio
I feel like you really need to go on water for those
Otherwise they look sort of empty/missing something
boreal quartz
Otherwise they look sort of empty/missing something
Or a bazillion rbg fans
opal folio
Or a bazillion rbg fans
Please don’t
boreal quartz
It's below my desk it doesnt need to glow much anyways
opal folio
(Unless that’s what you really want ofc)
boreal quartz
(Unless that’s what you really want ofc)
Sure love horrid airflow and a way to overkill my good psu
opal folio
Imo rgb fan spam is tacky af
tiny dock
guys, my smooth ass brain can't figure out how to sim the leg axe
boreal quartz
guys, my smooth ass brain can't figure out how to sim the leg axe
Gearcompare it into ur char
Or add via topgear search
tiny dock
i got timed out for calling myself stupid lol woops
boreal quartz
@opal folio once my brother is setting up his partpicker ill DM you it again
Review time soo
tiny dock
if I add it in topgear it's ilvl 500, do I just set the ilvl?
boreal quartz
Idk i have a 27''
charred brook
i was using 27 and it was nice but it broke
boreal quartz
Crit has a large ass one tho
halcyon breach
Ultrawide owns btw
boreal quartz
Was it 42? @daring heron
charred brook
i got a 34" 144hz curved
boreal quartz
Curved ew
charred brook
curved took a while to get used to
daring heron
Was it 42? <@235809563490779136>
yes it was 42"
charred brook
but it kinda owns
boreal quartz
Tbf i also had a curved
daring heron
and i wish my new 32" was also a 42", but size diff isn't too bad actually cause i just put the 32" closer to me
boreal quartz
But i pref non curved
opal folio
I’d say curved 34 ultrawide is peak for immersion, 27 flat for performance
charred brook
but everything else i like the curved
opal folio
Performance as in competitively
boreal quartz
I’d say curved 34 ultrawide is peak for immersion, 27 flat for performance
27 1080p was kinda monka
Little space
The 1440p now tho
opal folio
Yeah fuck that
daring heron
1080p is just not it for a 27in
charred brook
i just started my leggo run last week man
might be more efficient to just buy a warrior with it already kekw
boreal quartz
1080p is just not it for a 27in
Even on 2nd monitor it annoys me
opal folio
1080p is just not it for a 27in
I’d say 21, max 24
boreal quartz
might be more efficient to just buy a warrior with it already kekw
If you wanna get banned
Then sure
opal folio
Anymore and it’s a blurry mess
boreal quartz
Anymore and it’s a blurry mess
A mess i played on since sl :aware:
Then again sl phil didnt need a good PC for first 3 mythic and +20s
daring heron
is it worth?
no
boreal quartz
Idk bout skyhold but in the main wow disc they ban u for asking shit like that
charred brook
wasd just5 a joke anyways haha
late nacelle
hey what's up with the heroic full clear tier material
is it one of the three raid heroic full clear or all ?
boreal quartz
One
late nacelle
ok
glossy hill
did wow just go down
halcyon breach
just for you
zealous gorge
What's the difference on DPS from using the legendary compared to a weapon brought with tokens? Is it massive?
halcyon breach
What's the difference on DPS from using the legendary compared to a weapon broug...
It's noticeably large, yes
You can sim the difference in top gear, and make a quick comparison for you, by adding them at the top at their respective max ilvls
tiny dock
man the leg axe is such a big dps increase
i'm really only playing until mop remix drops but the smooth brain in me wants big dam so bad
zealous gorge
Ugh, I was thinking on maining warrior this season but I have zero kills on Fyrakk with it
steep osprey
Outlaw rogues are stupid, can do damage all the time
I have to wait 1.5m for cds to do anything
boreal quartz
man the leg axe is such a big dps increase
Fair item
nimble basin
will the mop remix take so much time? how long is it even for
steep osprey
Wb and ss and roar exist
my roar is 1.5 but that's those aren't enough
zealous gorge
will the mop remix take so much time? how long is it even for
Until TWW it looks like
boreal quartz
my roar is 1.5 but that's those aren't enough
1 min roar goober
zealous gorge
But it seems that you will do it all on a month, the rest is to farm mounts and mogs
boreal quartz
Like wb ss is 30 sec cycle
Add roar bs every 1 mim
Ava every 1.5
You basically always have dam
nimble basin
max vaults / crests then dive onto mop probably lol. Be my week.
steep osprey
You basically always have dam
You're right but not as much as outlaw always does
they have max damage most of the time
steep osprey
well, that's true, it depends on keys
if you do algethar, you're gonna do more damage than outlaw
late nacelle
tho question is how hard are we losing ST if we go full aoe in academy
tbh i still got no grasp of arms st ranking once we try going aoe heavy
boreal quartz
tho question is how hard are we losing ST if we go full aoe in academy
Normal build doesnt lack any aoe
Dont ever pick x2 bs
boreal quartz
Normal bs is good
late nacelle
late nacelle
yeah i actually opt to go for SS +6s instead of the other one
boreal quartz
SoA better
late nacelle
yeah
about shockwave i guess ill keep it coz im pugging most of the time
people with offline brains
i just keep forgetting arms tier set
that's how passive it is as a whole
nvm , dont remind me , prefer not to be aswell , anyways bouncing
zenith warren
running improved ss for kurog this week?
naive sage
running improved ss for kurog this week?
Always have been personally
minor gust
Extended SS is also for the intermission adds not just the reg adds
boreal quartz
i think next time voti is up that add will not live too long
Mythic has perma adds
Long sweep good
dusty summit
Long sweep very good
zenith warren
true that
late nacelle
is bullion catchup as well ?
any alt logging in in future weeks are gonna have all of it automatically?
just have to do DF content?
proper moth
is bullion catchup as well ?
yes
late nacelle
thankyou
proper moth
any alt logging in in future weeks are gonna have all of it automatically?
you can get them from lfr
strange perch
anyone got 4p yet
wooden knot
I will tomorrow after reset 
late nacelle
ok thanks
violet steeple
bleak fog
< S3 gang with 0p S4
azure goblet
What trinkets should I wear for arms in Mythic?
Is what is written on the Wowhead site correct? They say it’s not my simc
silk bloom
Where do I go for good memes
turbid finch
What trinkets should I wear for arms in Mythic?
Bursty trinkets are great. I've been using Branch since last season and it always slaps in M+.
azure goblet
Bursty trinkets are great. I've been using Branch since last season and it alway...
thx
steep osprey
is s1 tier a big diff in terms of aoe dps compared to this one?
turbid finch
like, for raw numbers?
steep osprey
I guess yeah
turbid finch
I didnt play S1 but ive seen some hunters do 1.6m dps, so it might be a bit higher
native dawn
Should I use my buillons next week if my bad luck continues and no leggo? Or just save em?
I’m debating. I fucking hate my rng luck.
nimble basin
yeh use them, just do raid first after reset.
hazy flower
Pop em
nimble basin
i guess
hazy flower
Ring
native dawn
Seal?
thick kelp
native dawn
Yeah
hazy flower
Yep
steep osprey
What's Diruna's ring then
steep osprey
oh yeah
I understand arms sims pretty high but i feel like arms isn't that good in m+ still
rets and outlaw rogues are better in terms of melee dps in m+
steep osprey
turbid finch
Arms can do some nutty aoe dps if you have the right setup
steep osprey
Of course yeah, I'm just comparing it to other melees, no reason to compare to the sps and destros
hazy flower
Outlaw not sure the only good outlaw I played with this season did insane damage but I played as pwar
steep osprey
lol
hazy flower
So I didnt have direct comparison
hazy flower
Ret is probably similar damage wise I think
steep osprey
Rets is similar but they have everything else
CR, group healing, bops
shields
immunes
hallow vale
No objective reason to bring a war over a ret pally
shadow ibex
safer melee range
hazy flower
Too many stuff that palas can probide
shadow ibex
ret is dumb
hazy flower
And just as tanky
turbid finch
Warrior really needs range on its melee attacks like evry other melee class got
steep osprey
Warrior really needs range on its melee attacks like evry other melee class got
They're gonna remove that from every class tho
hallow vale
no, thank you
steep osprey
lmao
hazy flower
Havent they like said theyre gonna remove it
turbid finch
They're gonna remove that from every class tho
Okay, as long as we all either have or dont have it
hazy flower
From everyone but feral
turbid finch
Ret is basically a ranged spec right now lol
shadow ibex
if every class has it or none has it it should still be something unique about warriors
west hamlet
either larger range or bigger hitboxes
steep osprey
if every class has it or none has it it should still be something unique about w...
Blizzard HQ: we should give the last melee spec 8 yd range just like we gave everyone else
Nah, just remove it from everyone else
west hamlet
crawth is one example of a boss that has a criminally small hitbox
steep osprey
45 sec kick
it do be sucking
teal fossil
vil do you still play this game
gloomy summit
halcyon breach
steep osprey
turbid finch
steep osprey
is that AI
turbid finch
Probably
steep osprey
surely it's reeal
boreal quartz
DOBBY IS FREEEEEEEEEE
hazy flower
DOBBY IS FREEEEEEEEEE
Get myth in vault
boreal quartz
what dps are those
magus and wl
steep osprey
sheesh
steep osprey
hazy flower
Pug is pug
hazy flower
Ye
hallow vale
Imagine not playing fire and destro in a 9 AA
isn't frost more busted in aoe now?
hazy flower
I wanna try bdk with lego
steep osprey
isn't frost more busted in aoe now?
It doesn't matter i guess
hazy flower
Been doing some nutty overalls without
late nacelle
ill burn that whole map down
steep osprey
MAP??
boreal quartz
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p46AvbazKvfdA3x9UGJ3Di @gaunt owl @calm hollow
brand is kill
quaint otter
507
opaque lake
Sim it, but probably wafting
reef birch
i thought so too, but wowhead says sophic
finite ginkgo
guys im saving many crests if i get a 519 weap from myth right?
gaunt owl
perfect stats @dull siren
nimble basin
guys im saving many crests if i get a 519 weap from myth right?
yes
gaunt owl
what do you mean stop ?
gaunt owl
502
strange perch
Wait since we get season 1 set bonuses we own again right?
nova marsh
Saving wyrms to send lego tbh
fathom shoal
Do we know the upgrade cost of the leggo? After the 2bullion prurcahse
strange perch
Hell yeah
halcyon breach
Do we know the upgrade cost of the leggo? After the 2bullion prurcahse
60 wyrms 90 aspects
nova marsh
Do we know the upgrade cost of the leggo? After the 2bullion prurcahse
Probally the same as all other weapons
strange perch
Cleave back on the menu
fathom shoal
60 wyrms 90 aspects
Shit. 90aspect kk
halcyon breach
This is all assuming no weapon above 502
fathom shoal
This is all assuming no weapon above 502
Copy that thanks
wild marsh
Is there a relative stat balance you should be shooting for as arms? Going to try to be simming everything but what kind of balance you looking for
turbid finch
Not really, crit and haste generally win out until high gear levels where vers and mastery take over a bit
Always best to Sim with arms
teal fossil
Hell yeah
cyan lagoon
Still got it brother
wild marsh
okay. im dying on haste need a lot more lol. Swapping from fury still super heavy mas
teal fossil
Just focus on ilevel
wild marsh
I'm 505 so most gear i'm getting is more about stat balance now. Need to replace my rings they're poorly statted
teal fossil
Is 505 heroic capped
teal fossil
Get all your gear to 6/6 hero then worry about it
wild marsh
I'd rather not wait 5 weeks to have enough crests to worry about stats, I think now is a good time to learn lol
wild marsh
end of day sims will tell me what's best but it's still nice to know generally
kind sonnet
it feels really bad to play with haste under 30
simple hill
What ilvl does the leggo drop at if it drops in S4?
kind sonnet
535 I assume
wild marsh
it doesn't drop, you get the quest item. The reward from quest will be base lege from s3
then bullion to upgrade it to max
teal fossil
Ilevel is bis stats
wild marsh
it's linked to quest, not a drop
wild marsh
i doubt blizz is nice enough to get that to retroactively change but it'd be cool if they did. I could be wrong
simple hill
okay yeah I figured it would be the quest still. but its still S3 stuff and will need to be upgraded. okay. kind of a bummer
wild marsh
Ilvl is not stats. Especially for rings lol
nimble basin
they havent even fixed the logout bug before rasz, be surprised if they've changed that lmao
wild marsh
yeaaaah. anyone who doesn't have any leggo attempts this season is cooked basically
raven nymph
If you don’t have it just get a dungeon weapon. Max upgrade it and if the lego drops you’re upgrading basically for flightstones.
The challenging part is pugging heroic on a non-fated weak.
wild marsh
I'm glad I got a 528 wep, imma juice my lege tomorrow
wild marsh
no. academy is fun
raven nymph
Academy is great. Can see just how much you can pad without screwing the key up.
outer holly
Just get lucky
nova marsh
I mean shockwave might cover it
outer holly
PI/Warbreaker generally feels like enough haste that I don't even notice the channel these days
cyan lagoon
If you die, it's the tank's fault for loosing aggro
outer holly
Haha oh didnt take into account pyg tank aggro
First 3 days that was my #1 cause of death, so used to being a mid pumper
nova marsh
ngl
I've come around to liking BS again
Getting WB, Roar, and BS on a big pull is the most satisfying thing in the whole game tbh
outer holly
Same, hated it all previous seasons, suddenly bs and cleave just clicked
nova marsh
Don't even have Cleave yet cuz no tier
outer holly
Have you simmed it in d slice? Even with 4p S3 tier cleave sims like close to 5k higher still
obsidian topaz
Do I still run cleave with the s3 piece?
outer holly
It actually sims higher than 2/2 currently, which is frustrating cuz I want those ilvls
outer holly
Do I still run cleave with the s3 piece?
personally cleave sims higher with S3, but double check for yourself
obsidian topaz
ok
and in AOE my main rotation without CDs is going to be WW-OP-Cleave-OP-Cleave-OP-Cleave?
teal fossil
op and cleave are your prios
obsidian topaz
and I fill with WW and TC?
mint delta
which buff do we take in aa?
teal fossil
vers
teal fossil
im not even sure that crit is more damage
because if you follow the philosophy of 40/40/10/10
vers should be more damage because you have less of it
astral yarrow
Honestly think mastery might be the better dps play but vers better overall. This is me guessing with nothing of value to back me up
gaunt owl
i have ascended
astral yarrow
Couldn’t we just sim a dslice with 5% of each stat
teal fossil
i only know how to add raw values and not numbers
for example here 5% vers is 4.36% damage
halcyon breach
Honestly think mastery might be the better dps play but vers better overall. Thi...
feelycrafting is very powerful
gaunt owl
i only has more mastery because of BSL
astral yarrow
feelycrafting is very powerful
I read somewhere that feelycraft is always better than simming
gaunt owl
oh right its actually turbo shit
did it even scale properly since last time ?
or is it giving S1 mastery buff
astral yarrow
I didn’t even check yesterday when I took mastery
teal fossil
the only problem is that mastery Drs
teal fossil
while the other 3 dont
nova marsh
because mastery is flat rating instead of %
teal fossil
yes
nova marsh
It scales based on key level?
teal fossil
probably not
teal fossil
i mean it doesnt really need to scale
just like how 5% now is weaker than 5% from before
500 mastery now is about the same as long as you dont DR on it
which most mastery heavy classes are DRing hard
and the mastery light classes dont want it in the first place
gaunt owl
the 5% is additive
cyan lagoon
Ah
gaunt owl
but if its 500 mastery its not gonna be 5%
cyan lagoon
🥜 brain here, pls ignore
teal fossil
its 5% on some classes
cyan lagoon
Should have read the whole convo