arms

[manic stirrup]

do not use cleave in st ever

[thorn sentinel]

is it any good streamer on twitch that play arms warrior that is willing to help people with simming ?

[manic stirrup]

wdym help with simming

[thorn sentinel]

I sucks to do it on my own

[fast zodiac]

yeah but u use it on like 3 targets + isnstead of mortal strike or smt?

started arms today so im still figuring stuff out

[manic stirrup]

what do you need help with

[astral yarrow]

gonna save you a lot of time learning it and its not like its hard to shove in your simc paste and select the items you want to sim

[thorn sentinel]

nothing yet

[manic stirrup]

biz and critcake are good streamers but your simming questions can just be asked here

and ppl will help

[thorn sentinel]

how bad is it to be a night elf or void elf for alliance side for both raid and m+ ?

[indigo thicket]

cleave is just cleave if there's mora than 4+ or 3 and you don't have sweeping strikes right

from math

[manic stirrup]

theyre both pretty good

night elf has good utility in m+

play whatever race you like though

[fast zodiac]

but sweeping strikes only make me hit 1 more target? so MS will only hit 2 targets if thats active?

[thorn sentinel]

are bloodmallet any good to use for gear or are wowhead or icyveins better ?

[indigo thicket]

but it does more dam

[finite ginkgo]

Ne best m+ Race

[manic stirrup]

for your gear you should be using droptimizer or top gear on raidbots

topgear can compare items you already havea nd droptimizer will show you the best upgrades you can get

[thorn sentinel]

so when i look at wowhead for arms it say only opener execute phase and Multi target do it mean that arms warrior dont have a priority list ?

[manic stirrup]

your opener is the same as your priority

[thorn sentinel]

Ohh

i didnt know that

how many weeks or months will it take to get legendary wep from fyrrak ?

[manic stirrup]

depends how lucky you get

[gaunt owl]

15 weeks max

[thorn sentinel]

with one of these 3 is easyer to use didnt play arms warrior that much only fury

[gaunt owl]

about UI it all comes down to personal preference

[thorn sentinel]

are this weakaura any good https://wago.io/q5h-bHdcn ?

is it better then hekili

[manic stirrup]

honestly arms is simple enough you wont need hekili

just practice on a dummy for a bit and youll get it down

[gaunt owl]

you can use this one and when you dont like it you can flame @dire hinge

[thorn sentinel]

i want 50 % or 100 % exp buff back in dragonflight

[nova marsh]

Hroth is bis

[dire hinge]

Hekili will tell you what button to press next, the pack you linked (that I made) doesn’t do that. Two different tools for different purposes.
Weakaura packs are sort of like a dashboard for seeing the current state of many spells, buffs, etc— all at a glance.
Hekili lets you know what spell to press next, but it has its shortcomings if followed without knowing context around why a button is being suggested

[nova marsh]

I just prefer actually learning specs tbh

I used a rotation helper in legion and it felt more of a hinderance then a helper.

It's very subjective from person to person thou

[dire hinge]

Im quite bad at casters, personally, just really exceedingly poor at managing cast bars, and use it for caster alts so I can focus on utility and positioning while I get my feet under me, then fold in learning the spec after I feel more comfortable

(Usually on max level alts that haven’t been touched all expansion)

I learn most of them as I level, but then forget after it’s been too long

[runic igloo]

is arms tier set supossed to be simming less then previous tier? xD

[halcyon breach]

No

[nimble basin]

at 4pc? no

[halcyon breach]

At 2p2p, it was more or less neutral for me, at 4p it's a massive gain

[runic igloo]

for some reason im simming 20k less xD

[halcyon breach]

Send the sim

[runic igloo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kM29CEwd6MQjRoLAxKo44t Sim with old tierset

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jxyczwnKawXDPv1PnoSmr8 sim with new

might just be talents

[halcyon breach]

The only thing missing from the talents, with it being an M+ setup, is Cleave in the S4 setup instead of 2x Bloodborne

[runic igloo]

so how am i simming less then xD

[dire hinge]

you're also doing a Patchwerk sim using Mythic+ talents

[halcyon breach]

As for the sim itself, I can't say at a glance why you're simming less, except I'd try and give Nightly/Latest a try, instead of Weekly

[nova marsh]

Fyra'loth FUCKS

[deft marsh]

you're also using shadowflame in one and lariat in the other sim

[halcyon breach]

That would not lead to a 10k dps difference

[dire hinge]

hmm, their dslice sims are lower as well

[gaunt owl]

your gear is so different on both sim too

[errant jackal]

is going to s3 2 set bonus vs s3 4 set bonus worth for the +5 ilvl?

[deft marsh]

ofc not, but why sim with different gear sets if you just want to compare s1 vs s3 4p

[halcyon breach]

It's fairly different, but most of the big pieces are the same

[runic igloo]

ye its a bit diffirent but would think that new set + ilvl would out dps that no?

[deft marsh]

also u have dual wield rune active in your sims while not dual wielding

[daring heron]

i literally gained 32k simdps when i upgraded from old 4p to s4 hc 4p

[halcyon breach]

That doesn't matter

It still applies the rune to the weapon

[daring heron]

im on mobile tho so not going to try and compare those 2 sims

[nova marsh]

man

I discovered I still hate spider boss

[dire hinge]

few things contributing:

• new helmet (season 4 set) doesn't have helmet enchant applied to it yet
• lariat in the 2nd sim is going to perform worse because you dont have max sockets in your new gear
• new chest doesn't have enchant on it
• side note, dont run Signet Brand in m+ content

[sturdy flicker]

2set/2set isnt worth breakign old 4 imguess?

[sacred zodiac]

can be, sim it

[halcyon breach]

It's fine to break it

For M+ at the very least

In ST, personally it was basically neutral

[deft marsh]

was like 5k ST for me

[daring heron]

helm enchant is massive

[shy tide]

when people arent blue silken lining enjoyers

[daring heron]

team BSL 🫡

[halcyon breach]

I gain roughly 24k DPS going from 2p2p to 4p with the same talents

[shy tide]

like the most atrocious uptime ive had in a dungeon is 55%

[nova marsh]

That's fuckin YUGE

[shy tide]

thats still turbo worth

[naive sage]

489 ilvl last HoI boss

[shy tide]

wtf is bro casting 4 times

[daring heron]

i'm banking on getting +20k for free when we kill raz and axe drops and axe gets loot counciled to me

[nova marsh]

I really hope that's not the lego lol

[thorn sentinel]

critcake

i need you

[errant jackal]

damn swapping to 2p s3 from 4p drops me like 11k simdps

[daring heron]

[sacred zodiac]

are you even killing rasz

[halcyon breach]

For sure for sure

[sacred zodiac]

theres 3 guilds that killed it

[daring heron]

for sure man

[shy tide]

probably heroic

[halcyon breach]

We're attempting tomorrow

[thorn sentinel]

did you killed razageth h yet critcake

[nova marsh]

what where's crit's lego

[shy tide]

gl gamers 🫡

[deft marsh]

are you simming with a non enchanted helm?

[runic igloo]

ye just simmed with the head enchant made like a 5k diffirence

[nova marsh]

I also have 2 pieces for the catalyst from raid

so that SLAPS

[errant jackal]

yes apparently lol

[daring heron]

it's 496 so higher ilvl stuff beats it until we can upgrade next week

[halcyon breach]

Got this tho 😎

[errant jackal]

wait no

enchant was on

[shy tide]

@daring heron optimal blue silken lining gaming prio target build

[daring heron]

i'm ratting for raz weapon

[nova marsh]

Tbh that's why I'm not investing into weapons or anything at all

[daring heron]

no weapon upgrade club

[nova marsh]

because I'd ratrher just send evreything for the lego

[shy tide]

why even care about raz weapon

[naive sage]

We wiped

[nova marsh]

Also because let's be real I'm not even getting a weapon drop

[halcyon breach]

HC Rasza and Council weapons dropped

[shy tide]

isnt council weapon better

[thorn sentinel]

@daring heron sorry for ping but just wanted to say love your stream content

[daring heron]

crest discounts

[halcyon breach]

But I already had that so gg

[shy tide]

fiending for crests when you get 120 a week

[nova marsh]

Raz weapon starts higher then anything else

[shy tide]

sussy

[daring heron]

it's 428 so it's insane bro

[shy tide]

actual fiend

[nova marsh]

...428

BRO

Ur in S2 gear

[daring heron]

+100 same shit

[shy tide]

the vulgarity

cant believe eloquent critcake has resorted to brutish violence

the ilvl fiending has gotten to him

[halcyon breach]

Critcake really fell off when he became yellow

[shy tide]

can you believe it bane

[daring heron]

true

[nova marsh]

So

Critcake has a skill issue

Gotcha

[halcyon breach]

I don't want to believe iy Yenny

But we have to accept reality

[nova marsh]

says the person not parsing 99s in heroic and normal lol

[shy tide]

[daring heron]

toxic critcake was always here

[shy tide]

what growing up on a mangofarm does to you

truly tragic

[daring heron]

you know whats tragic

[shy tide]

[daring heron]

twitch chatter saw me irl

thats actually tragic

[shy tide]

🤓

[hexed saddle]

oh no....

[astral yarrow]

thats spicy

[shy tide]

its so over

[sacred zodiac]

bruh

[shy tide]

i dont think you can go to that area ever again crit

[nova marsh]

Eyo bro

[jade ember]

we told you u gotta stop wearing turtlenecks out in public its a dead giveaway

[hexed saddle]

did u subject them to cosmic eldritch horrors the likes of which humankind couldnt imagine

[daring heron]

maybe i should have

[astral yarrow]

its time to alwayhs wear a 🧢 outside

[hexed saddle]

that would dissuade them from ever perceiving you i think

[nova marsh]

Critcake just go around in a full suit of armour irl

Noone would ever bug you

[astral yarrow]

cant ahve the sunglasses, turtle neck and chain

dead giveaway

[dire hinge]

If found the issue. In your 1st sim, you have an Arms SimC export, but it clearly defines an offhand behind equipped, so all of your abilities are being calculated as if you magically had a 2nd weapon's worth of Strength equipped.

[daring heron]

[nova marsh]

The fuck?

[dire hinge]

Your original sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iJzLdaayTC8b6nhWE8ZnFW
Fixed sim (removed the offhand equipped): https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gg4geFPtMP2n81Tfkv5AEZ

[gaunt owl]

the offhand bug in simc

[shy tide]

cant believe you ruined his sauce man

[gaunt owl]

reason #1 to not play fury

[dire hinge]

yeah, i was like... wait a second

[sacred zodiac]

simply equip an offhand

[charred brook]

Reason #2: 1 big sword > 2 medium swords

[naive sage]

Should I upgrade? Sim tells me to, but it pains me not to use leggo

[nova marsh]

I'd say no

[halcyon breach]

It's worth it till next reset

[nova marsh]

Because it's gonna get replaced next reset, espically if you pool fs and crests to send it up as high as you can

[halcyon breach]

You're gonna use the crests anyway to upgrade the lego, the only thing you lose out on is spending more flightstones

[runic igloo]

ah thanks :))

[halcyon breach]

If you already have a higher ilvl 2hander, you don't spend crests to upgrade another one to that same ilvl

You only spend a discounted amount of flightstones

[runic igloo]

Simmed now aswell with full ST talents for both and just swapped the tierset and now its good

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kTir6N5JG2LejZhmBCsAdQ\

[nova marsh]

true but personally it's not worth it. is emerald dream still the best way to farm FS

[runic igloo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3hCpWvLiFByjqDhf3MgpoM

[astral yarrow]

flightstones

[runic igloo]

now its 27k dif

[boreal quartz]

i fucking HATE flightstones

[halcyon breach]

yeah yeah..

like 50 things going on in my head rn

[dire hinge]

very nice! Happy to help get that figured out, grats on 4piece and good luck out there this weekend ❤️

[naive sage]

It's like 3.5% dps upgrade idk

[sacred zodiac]

im one of them

trade me a weapon

[nova marsh]

I'm hoping for 2pc this raid

[runic igloo]

❤️

[halcyon breach]

Maybe

bomm

[sacred zodiac]

OW!

[halcyon breach]

I'm about to boost

after if you are available

[sacred zodiac]

gesundheit jumpscare

[astral yarrow]

ill trade anything if you take me to keys

save me from pugs

[dire hinge]

this is a mood

[halcyon breach]

Do you not have omega blasters from CT?

[astral yarrow]

i play with degens that basically are done doing keys or cba at all xd

im 3 days late

[halcyon breach]

Gg..

triple warrior in my 9 algethar if someone else sets it up

[dire hinge]

i have a tremendous amount of patience for pugs, but i was in an 8 earlier where a Havoc DH was doing less than the tank and it tested me quite a bit

[astral yarrow]

i am a big boi tho

[halcyon breach]

4p abuser ofc

[gaunt owl]

mythic weapon

allo

[astral yarrow]

double omni token straight into bags

🥣

[novel canyon]

s4 2pc is worth breaking s3 4pc right

[errant jackal]

what srength do y'all have btw, odd question

[sacred zodiac]

hardened crystal

L bozo

[mortal crag]

is 2p2p>4p amirdrassil?

[ornate eagle]

yes

[mortal crag]

sick :^)

do we change talents on 2p2p?

[ornate eagle]

no

[halcyon breach]

In M+ yes, 1 point from BB to Cleave

[mortal crag]

sicko mode

ty

will do :3

then the rotation is OP > cleave

right?

[halcyon breach]

#arms message something like this

[ornate eagle]

only in aoe

[sacred zodiac]

@halcyon breach

[halcyon breach]

death strike noob

[sacred zodiac]

end me

[astral yarrow]

spell reflect it

[boreal quartz]

im tiny

[hazy flower]

Warriors on first boss on av

[astral yarrow]

i just need flightstones man

[hazy flower]

Vs avg vdh

That proccs 2 cheat deaths

And dies

[astral yarrow]

im gonna get even bigger than tiny phil

[hazy flower]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-adorable-duckling-haha-classic-gif-17283485

[halcyon breach]

Everyone 4p abusing

gg

[astral yarrow]

that sounds to me like a skill issue ngl

[halcyon breach]

you would know

[hazy flower]

Mad 0p gaming

Here

[astral yarrow]

i am skill issue incarnate

rank 1 dathea is straight up just me having boon week 1 lol

[hazy flower]

I forgot to go from prot to dps loot spec

When boon dropped

[copper swan]

comrads, what's your point of vue about sark cloak this season

[sacred zodiac]

is there an actual spellreflect or

[boreal quartz]

time to do 13 nok and die to first pull

[hazy flower]

Deflect i think

But u negate dam anyways

[astral yarrow]

yuh

[sacred zodiac]

tank problem

[astral yarrow]

i somehow remember from tanking keys week1 in S1

[gaunt owl]

yeah tank git gud

[runic igloo]

For M+ simming its ok to do Patchwerk 5 targets?

[nova marsh]

So boys

[hazy flower]

Sim st

[nova marsh]

are we actually the worst class in the game?

[astral yarrow]

yes

[gaunt owl]

yes

[hazy flower]

No

[naive sage]

Always have been

[hexed saddle]

depends what angle ur looking at

design wise its pretty grim

[halcyon breach]

love Arms in m+

very cool

[hazy flower]

If were dooming can we go fury

Thats usually the channel to do it

[nova marsh]

no

go ret

[late nacelle]

apparently outlaw is doubling our sustain aoe in keys

dont know why dont know how

fun times

[hazy flower]

Its not

[reef glade]

holy we love blowing things out of proportion

[late nacelle]

maybe not if we have full cds

but once our cds de syncs and we have to pop it

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7cHvEpM97CJ5v9XmsAr315

👍

[reef glade]

die!

[covert jackal]

Arms doesn't do great till packs actually last long enough, i'm guessing +10's this season, also season is just starting so item level gaps + set bonuses are a thing (picture is +8 NO with small tank pulls and lock was getting PI, I'm 488 ilvl)

[sacred zodiac]

most normal sim

[empty sluice]

can u show me any sim? its still way worse for me

[nova marsh]

I love how not a single Zenith piece has dropped

[ornate eagle]

what are you simming

ST or aoe

cuz in aoe 4pc is ofc better

[empty sluice]

st

[ornate eagle]

weird

[empty sluice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tBBUiwxQ1M2R8wDeEVb6tJ u can check

[astral yarrow]

we had 1 zenith piece in 7 mythic bosses, 2 full hc splits, 2 3-boss normal splits

[manic stirrup]

L get better

[nova marsh]

yeah it's just arms needs shit to live and not be bursted down in 20 seconds

Which isn't exactly favorable for keys

[minor gust]

Such is the life at least next reset is guaranteed 4 set

[astral yarrow]

imagine not having 4set week 1

[dull siren]

I have 2 so far

[nova marsh]

Oh I know it's a skill issue

[dull siren]

4sets

[nova marsh]

I have ONE

[dull siren]

I mean I have 2 full sets

I still have 1 HC to do

[nova marsh]

and that's from catalyst

[astral yarrow]

imagine playing 2 chars

[dull siren]

I play 3

honey

3 raids per week

[nova marsh]

Imagine having alts and not dedicating 3,000 hours to ur warrior main

[dull siren]

I have

like 600days on 1 warrior

200 on 2nd

[nova marsh]

I love how my lvl 70 gameplay

is 32 days LOL

I've played DF for a month

[gaunt owl]

if you had a /played of your work hour

you would cry

[nova marsh]

I do

It's called a pay statement

[mortal crag]

which 4p does arms not want?

[halcyon breach]

The Sim profile has legs as offpiece, but it doesn't really matter

[mortal crag]

ah sick

great

so i can go no legs for both

[gusty glacier]

is Strike Vulnerabilities buff kinda bugged cause it sometimes wont trigger after i use the spells

[halcyon breach]

You need to crit

[mortal crag]

can some1 remind me where the tier token vendor is?

[mortal crag]

ty :3

btw

hi bane

[halcyon breach]

hola

[gusty glacier]

why dont they write it in the tooltip or am i just dumb

[halcyon breach]

?

It's right there

[gusty glacier]

i got german client and it dont say it like that

[halcyon breach]

Sorry I can't account for that

But now you know

[gusty glacier]

yea thank you

[gaunt owl]

german words are just too long for no reason

use english client

[strange perch]

the knockenbrechen

[dull siren]

sennarth mythic

so based

40% BSL

[nova marsh]

jesus christ

I'm doing garbage damage in comparison lol

Oh wait u guys got ur sparks....I forgot to craft those LOL

[gaunt owl]

Tmy is juiced up

he even get PI

[nova marsh]

So we go BSL and vers?

[dull siren]

ofc i do

my trinkets r so bad

[nova marsh]

You guys got trinkets?

Lmao

[dull siren]

i have signet / augury

from last tier

[gaunt owl]

he is crying about his trinket

the audacity

[nova marsh]

I still have MIRRIOR

[dull siren]

?!

ofc i do

[dire hinge]

I haven only gotten trinkets, I crave something I can catalyst 😭

[minor gust]

Hoof and NO trinket gaming

[dull siren]

Time for kurog mythic

missed this guy

[minor gust]

Best fight

If you did 323 on sennarth u def can break 400k Kurog

[nova marsh]

sO

Is spiteful storm good

[ornate eagle]

not rly

its not bad and not good

[nova marsh]

Would ruby be better lol

[ornate eagle]

yes for aoe

on ST spiteful is probably better

[modest moss]

Imagine not being 4 set first week.

[nova marsh]

imagine actually seeing zenith tokens drop

[ornate eagle]

imagine even being 1set

[nova marsh]

It's a skill issue if you aren't 1 set

[ornate eagle]

only bad people get tier

true

[nova marsh]

Yes but ur actually cringe if you haven't looted a single item

[ornate eagle]

🙂

[slow saddle]

2p here

[nova marsh]

I hope you accidently delete ur 2pc

[slow saddle]

For having killed raz hc?

[nova marsh]

na

[minor gust]

3pc here stuck until next week unless I get lucky when we finish mythic on sunday

[nova marsh]

Just cuz

[minor gust]

[slow saddle]

Could have 3p

But not 1 plate drop to cata😅

[minor gust]

Gotta hold cata charge and aotc token till 4pc is achievable

[slow saddle]

Tbf only done 15 keys

[slow saddle]

Same so ill use old 4p

[nova marsh]

WOW

[astral yarrow]

cant hold all these trinkets man

[nova marsh]

THREE omni token dropped

[slow saddle]

Vault will have tier

[nova marsh]

LOST ALL OF THEM LOL

I'm gonna kms

[slow saddle]

Lectes same.. also lost mythic 2h

And hc 2h from raz

[nova marsh]

I'm actually lowkey malding

This is depression lol

[slow saddle]

To the same guy, 😅

Guild does rolls

No council

I hate it🤣

[nova marsh]

My guild councils evreything

and I get jack all

[slow saddle]

🥲

[verbal ingot]

Does FoB Slam go on sweeping strikes to build collateral stacks?

[astral yarrow]

yes

[verbal ingot]

Thank you

[minor gust]

My guild did rolls cuz it's fated

Not a real tier

The one time arms tier is actually good

Big sad

[nova marsh]

I mean arms was decent in Vault

and we got vault tier lol

[minor gust]

Oh I know

[nova marsh]

Also can I just say

Thank god blizz didn't do fated affixes again

That shit was awful

[dull siren]

Missed my boi

kurog

mythic

[gaunt owl]

stop flexing

weirdo

[dull siren]

[gaunt owl]

[minor gust]

what build u cookin for Broodkeeper

[dull siren]

Not doin broodkeeper

just did a weekly mythic pug

[minor gust]

I remember cookin with the jugg bladestorm no OP shit but idk how good that is now that DN slaps

[boreal quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gJfFFkDQc8i8TZe3Q3LSe6

20k below tmy

[dull siren]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/arxYd2N8mGX61TKV#fight=last&type=damage-done

@boreal quartz

Got weapon after Council

and went blasting

[finite ginkgo]

guys how do we prio ww in aoe?

[boreal quartz]

i think if i get pbox and some other legit trinket my kinda done gear wise for this week

unless you somehow make a first 2 mythic happen and then we aquire ring

[late nacelle]

@covert jackal those two players are clearly either out of their cds or dont even know how their spec works

[finite ginkgo]

damn so high in the priority, ty

[boreal quartz]

SOS is good

[minor gust]

RIP SOS

will be forever missed

[late nacelle]

@covert jackal and dont pick that one moment you out dps whatever people just to proof whatever point , no need , and not convincing

[boreal quartz]

even in 10s shit didnt last

12 felt good

in TNO

but we bottled on archer boss

[covert jackal]

That's overall and BTW chill dude lol

[late nacelle]

idk coz that's a pretty extreme case you were showing me back there , iirc

frost and demo are some of the best M+ spec as of now

so idk

[boreal quartz]

r1 overall by 20k in kurog btw

[late nacelle]

and yeah myb , reached a little

[dull siren]

😄

[boreal quartz]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wHJfkTx26c7bPtNd#fight=144&type=damage-done @dull siren

[nova wigeon]

neltarus +9 so shitty i playing arms since 2 day , any advise for better rotation ?

[boreal quartz]

ur actual damage spells should be higher

like infinitely higher

[teal fossil]

you are just not pressing buttons

[nova wigeon]

i'm doing to much thunder clap for real

[boreal quartz]

shit played nok 11

i did play turbo ass here but still

spells above bleeds

[dark sinew]

BS mode, and if you're using S3 tier, don't take cleave

[boreal quartz]

(4p)

[minor gust]

DN fucks

[boreal quartz]

ye

i did over ms for prio coulda padded more

[nova wigeon]

yeah i'm playing with S3

[dark sinew]

Probably shouldn't use cleave and fill that button with thunderclap or WW

[nova wigeon]

so replace cleave by thunder clap in the rota ?

[boreal quartz]

i mean for you

realistically just re-read prio overall

rather than try fix specifics just check the basics

[nova wigeon]

yeah ty men

[noble anvil]

in pure aoe do i ever press execute ?

also do i press cleave on cd or stack 2x overpower first ?

and if am over capping on rage do i just ww to spend some or i just keep doing aoe rotation

[nova marsh]

DO NOT use OP stacks on cleave

it's just not worth it

if you're close to capping on rage, yes use WW asap

Also we never really stack OP. treat them as nice bonuses

[noble anvil]

what about executes in aoe build

[nova marsh]

Execute you use to snipe priority mobs

You do use it, but it also target dependant. Over 8 targets, using OP as much as possible, as well TC and WW will be worth more damage

Sub 4, you use the same rotation as ST, including exe

because swept MS/OP/Exe just straight up does more damage

[gaunt owl]

depends number of target on that one

and if SS up or not

[nova marsh]

This too.

But isn't it overall more worth avoiding until high targ counts?

[gaunt owl]

MS with SS up to 4 target

5 Target Cleave

SS down 3 target Cleave > MS

and 2T MS

the more i think about it

the more i hate it actually

[nova marsh]

I've never liked cleave

It just feels....so weak

Cleave is basically slam, but it hits evreything

[gaunt owl]

it applies DW and benefit plenty from our S4 Tier set

enable it pretty much 100% in AOE

[noble anvil]

can you guys give me an example of st rotaion in aoe build

the bladestorm one

[nova marsh]

The only thing that changes really is you use BS in ST

[gaunt owl]

but before Warbreaker

[nova marsh]

Yeah

[gaunt owl]

you reverse the order

[nova marsh]

Because you want hurricane and WB going at the same time.

And max value out of both of them....cuz like....BS damage isn't really signifcant in pure st

[proud lintel]

Hit 512 in bags last night, arms this season is pumping!

My highest dps overall is only 450k so far, got some work to do

[chrome flint]

How long should we hold CS if Avatar is about to come up ?

[fossil thistle]

Really need legendary sim on raidbots for 40m

[astral yarrow]

send CS on cooldown

avatar when it comes up

whether its in CS or ToM doesnt matter

[fossil thistle]

^

[chrome flint]

What about Warbreaker ?

[nova marsh]

Same thing

[fossil thistle]

same

[astral yarrow]

xd

[nova marsh]

WB is priority wise the exact same ability

It just does it in aoe

[chrome flint]

But there is no TOM with Warbreaker

[nova marsh]

It dosen't matter. If you follow your rotation properly, you will get both garanteed

Remeber ava is 20 seconds

WB is 10

[fossil thistle]

hold it if your losing uptime or switching adds shortly and dont benefit from duration

[nova marsh]

This too

[astral yarrow]

you can take ToM and Warbreaker

[fossil thistle]

Tindral/Nymue are examples

[chrome flint]

As long as I can fit the whole 10s buff of Warbreaker during my avatar window it's all that matters ?

[nova marsh]

yes

[fossil thistle]

yuea

[chrome flint]

And I just hold roar to use after warbreaker ?

[nova marsh]

Yep. Use roar with all CDs running

So with BS

You'd go Charge > Ava > TC to apply rend > WB > Roar > BS

[fossil thistle]

😮

[nova marsh]

as an opener at least

[chrome flint]

You don't mortal strike to try to apply tier set before sending cd ?

[nova marsh]

you can

You can also use cleave for that

But it's an optimazation really

[chrome flint]

Should I hold bladestorm to use with Roar + Avatar ? Or send it every minute ?

[nova marsh]

Also I don't have 4pc and don't really remeber how to play around it, it's been a year since s1 after all so forgive me

[fossil thistle]

Bladestorm applies deepwounds

[nova marsh]

Hold BS to use with warbreaker

With AM, BS will typically (assuming you don't misuse them) align with evrey second WB

[chrome flint]

Yeah, so I send both on CD and I don't bother to align them with avatar or roar

[fossil thistle]

@nova marsh My only issue with M+ bosses is using BS

Opener? to negate mechanics?

[nova marsh]

Use it as an opener

[fossil thistle]

I've been avoiding it for the most part unless I have nothing to press or have to step out of melee swing range

[nova marsh]

Also, you ALWAYS want roar to be sent with warbreaker

[nova marsh]

no offense, but you're straight up loosing damage

Hurricane is insanely valuable, even in ST

[fossil thistle]

Figured

[chrome flint]

Copy that, thanks

[fossil thistle]

Still managing 225-240k st

[nova marsh]

That's p neat thou

[chrome flint]

@fossil thistle thank you too 🙂

[wind flicker]

Facts

[nova marsh]

30% str cranks

[fossil thistle]

yea

tbh I think I have been using but just don't remember, muscle memory happens so fast and my lack of attention is dookie

I do know I use it in nokhud on 3rd boss to cheese fear for more dam

[wind flicker]

Its usually pretty good to use bladestorm after ur roar, like WB->Roar->BS

[fossil thistle]

Noted

[wind flicker]

Buff the bleeds ^^

[fossil thistle]

truer

[covert jackal]

Big dam

[nimble basin]

I'm definitely playing it wrong after reading all this, I think 😂 yet doing okay. so means I could definitely do better.

[noble anvil]

Ok so again ST rotation is 4 targets or less 2*execute into MS and OP as filler ?

[fossil thistle]

@nimble basin As long as your top dam doesn't matter

😄

I've done keys as pure ST and still managed ~275-285k overall (S3)

[wind flicker]

The biggest

😄

[fossil thistle]

I haven't test but does anyone know if BS negates rasz push back in P1

incase im stupid and don't know my position

[astral yarrow]

why would you bother when you have double charge and leap

[wind flicker]

You want to play bladestorm on rasz?

[chrome flint]

Who's paaaaaddin ?

[nova marsh]

Bs is absoutlely not worth the dps loss even if it is negatable

It's not as if warrior lacks mobility like DK or pally lol

[fossil thistle]

Only reason I had BS on rasz was uh

normal mode w/ casual guild and 8 people dead in P1

needed add damage xD

[nova marsh]

truthfully

sounds like a skill issue on their part

[fossil thistle]

it is 1000%

Went over entire fight

8 people off platform "oh is that new?" x)

[gaunt owl]

you basically gutted your ST because people couldnt stay alive

[fossil thistle]

mhm

I did 230k w/ normal group and people lived and lost like 20? maybe 30k dps xD

🤷‍♂️ Bads will be bads am i right, picking the wrong class n stuff 🤦‍♂️

[nova marsh]

Tbh there is no wrong class in wow

cept warrior

[fossil thistle]

Warrios is only class

Im reaching 4 digit /played in TWW

Dec 2004 -> now as war x)

[nova marsh]

I do love how my guild basically asked why I play the worse class in raid today lol

Then I reminded them "because you have only warrior who consistantly shows up to raid

[final zenith]

do we always just send mortal strike without 2 stacks from OP on cd?

[nova marsh]

yes on CD

[glossy sky]

hey guys, anyone knows the number of flight stones and crests needed to upg axe to full next week ?

[astral yarrow]

way too many

😦

[sharp wyvern]

around 2k

[nimble basin]

another thing I didn't get, op stacks and ep

[gaunt owl]

better stack those flightstone

[glossy sky]

i need to know crests more

flightstones u can farm, crests are limited

[final zenith]

what do you mean?

[astral yarrow]

60 wyrm 30 aspects i think?

or maybe other way around

[nimble basin]

well, I see some do 2 stacks the MS some just one stack then ms

[astral yarrow]

you MS on cd

[nimble basin]

with OP and Exe

[astral yarrow]

regardless wahatever the f is going

on

[final zenith]

well i think it depends on the mortal strike cd. if its available just send it

[nimble basin]

fair

[sharp wyvern]

o75 wyrm 75 aspects to 535

if costs dont increase after 528

[final zenith]

in exe phase, do you do 2x exe - MS but if MS isnt up after 2x exe do you OP once or do you just do a 3rd exe?

[astral yarrow]

in general you exe exe op ms in some combination

because thats what rage generally allows

you'd rather want to 3x exe and ms

[final zenith]

yeah i tried it on a dummy and i was told to try and do 3x exe but it felt crazy rage starved

[nova marsh]

Use op below 40 rage

Always

[final zenith]

since i dont have the new tier set, i just send slam as filler if MS and WW are both down and im capping rage right?

[nova marsh]

Yes? The tier set dosent change that

[final zenith]

sorry in keys i was told to run cleave... my b

[nova marsh]

(Unless u mean for keys with cleave)

[nimble basin]

sorry to ask again, brains fried the last week but our m+ opener is charge, op, tc, avatar, roar, wb, bs, ss?

[nova marsh]

No don't run cleave before the tier

[final zenith]

tyty

[earnest narwhal]

am i allowed to remove rend from my bars this season?

[wind flicker]

Its situational, u dont ALWAYS have to op under 40 rage

Atleast i dont

[nova marsh]

Ava > charge >tc > wb > roar > bs into Ss normal rotation

[wind flicker]

I wouldnt avatar till after ur charge / tc

[nova marsh]

Why?

[wind flicker]

Because ur losing avatar uptime / reck proc uptime

For a charge and a thunderclap

[final zenith]

my quick sim in aoe told me to TC after my cds + bladestorm goes out

[nova marsh]

Read the disclaimer at the top of quick sim

[wind flicker]

Usually u charge -> tc -> avatar + wb -> roar -> Execute if procced by sudden death with s3 set -> bladestorm

[crimson nymph]

is there a way to put 535 leggo in our sims to see how big of an upgrade it is?

[nova marsh]

Yeah. Gear compare

Put fyraloth

Set it 535

[fossil thistle]

I’m capped 120 every crest and 2000 stones for Tuesday 😌

[gaunt owl]

quick sim can be funky

as sometimes you dont have the rage necessary to do the next step

but TC is the first thing applied after charging

[nova marsh]

Full send that lego like a real gamer

[wind flicker]

Just use the rotation i just send

Unless u want to send leggo before, then send leggo after tc

[nimble basin]

oh so we roar after wb not before? well, I've been doing it before oops

[gaunt owl]

and plz dont use the rotation Jeventes said he already made a fool of himself last time

[nova marsh]

No roar after wb

You want roar to have full time on wb

[wind flicker]

Idk what ur trying to achieve here baiting me into an argument but yeah gl with that

[fossil thistle]

For real. I did use a few crests to make 515 booties though ☝️🤓

[nova marsh]

Don't use rotation

[earnest narwhal]

ur doing great! your s4 arms/fury guide helped me alot 😄

[fossil thistle]

Just press whatever is off GCD

[nova marsh]

Just spam op and slam

[wind flicker]

Appreciate it mate ❤️

[fossil thistle]

Hamstring is a good one to always press

[nova marsh]

What is this, sod?

[fossil thistle]

Throwback to level 11 me using hamstring for 7 damage because it was instant and heroic strike was next attack

🤭

[dull siren]

The optimal M+ opener is

with tier b4 tier u just ignore the Cleave

[smoky kayak]

what exactly is wrong with what he said? I don't see anything incorrect

[nimble basin]

legend. genuinely just need this at this point. to reference as my head is blagged 😂

[nova marsh]

Wow no wonder my damage I'd mid

Wrong opener kej

[nimble basin]

doing my best to get better and learn it

[fossil thistle]

NGL I’ve been using this but flipped WW and cleave

[nova marsh]

I have 1 pc kekw

[dull siren]

That's fine, The reason why the cleave is there is for the 4set going into Bladestorm.

Whirlwind is mostly there for the ragedump for Warbreaker.

[smoky kayak]

it literally does not matter if roar is used before or after WB

like at all

[mighty laurel]

I hate s2/s4 fury 4p (507 heroic 4p rn) so im here as arms now 🙂 hello friends

[smoky kayak]

we just "discovered" this yesterday and the change is a literal 0.0% difference

cause just throwing TR on CD ends up going right before or after WB the majority of the time anyway

[mighty laurel]

Well there's a global for roar, which could have been another spell inside WB 10s ya?

[dull siren]

Well, A reason to use it before WB.
Is the fact you'd go instantly in to rage spending @smoky kayak in M+.
Shorting the CDR and since it has nearly 0 impact as you say.
It's kind of just a GCD to waste in WB. 👍

[smoky kayak]

I'm saying that the practical difference is nil, it's just a simplification to say "use it on cooldown" instead of tying it to a conditional

[wind flicker]

WB also hastes u + ur bleed so i assume its not a massive diff

[gaunt owl]

it's assuming full opener with everything available.

but yeah Troar when doesn't really matter, but sending it gonna get you more value of the dot ASAP

[fossil thistle]

Basically the difference is like regemming for 143dps when you sim 250k

[smoky kayak]

But I don't really see the point in making aggressive statements like this, when it's about something that was literally devised yesterday and amounts to a 0.0% difference

[fossil thistle]

Whatever flows better with your keybinds , just do that. If it works for you,it works

[smoky kayak]

like there's literally just no reason for that kinda attitude

don't be shitty to each other is all I'm sayin

[dull siren]

Yup

[smoky kayak]

especially over what amounts to nothing of importance

[fossil thistle]

Can we reminisce of the good old DoS + CoF days.
When do we get nighthold timewalking raid so I can run it on 20 different warriors trying to get both trinkets

[nova marsh]

Blizz would never

[fossil thistle]

🤓

[nova marsh]

They'd sooner go for tos or antorus then do nighthold

It'd be a cancer evrey season

[fossil thistle]

We’d first need MoP tw raid and WoD

Nighthold was phenomenal though 😦

[nova marsh]

Blizzard dosent want to balance fates again

Evrey.fucking.season

[fossil thistle]

We dont need balance for a trinket that’s meant to be OP

[nova marsh]

They'd probally just rework it if they did thou.

Y3ah but keep in mind if it's time walking it comes back EVREY SEASON

And we all know how busted legion trinkets were....also

Assumes they continue on with tw raids cuz we haven't had one since ulduar

[fossil thistle]

That’s okay, Draught would be nerfed. CoF would be S tier though no matter what I feel

[nova marsh]

They'd probally not let cof drip

drop

[fossil thistle]

🫠

[nova marsh]

Cof is one of the most busted trinkets in wows history after all

[fossil thistle]

With Dragonsoul launching so fast in cata classic I hope we get MoP classic soon. Easily top 3 expansions imho. legion being #1 for me

[nova marsh]

Don't launch mop classic it'll kill my guild LOL

[fossil thistle]

Right

😂

[nova marsh]

My gm already said if they launch mop classic they're abandoning retail

[smoky kayak]

honestly I don't see them not doing MoP Classic

[fossil thistle]

Yea I know a lot of guilds that have said that

[smoky kayak]

it was way more popular than Cata

[nova marsh]

I mean we said that about cata

And then we got cata classic and no wrath Era servers

[fossil thistle]

I don’t have any attachment to wrat, a lot of people I know don’t either

They’re all just waiting for MoP tbh

[nova marsh]

It's still like

The second most popular wow expansion

Or third. We'll second most out of the first three

[smoky kayak]

I'm actually glad they're not doing era servers for each expansion, that'd be... a lot of playerbase fractions

with the seasonal shit they could probably get rid of classic era too tbh

[wind flicker]

I think its generally a bad thing to split the community up in a lot of pieces

[nova marsh]

I mean wow already does that

[wind flicker]

It only thins out the playerbase for each version

[nova marsh]

Wow literally has 3 different versions at all times now

[gaunt owl]

i know Pet Battlers got their own discord

they are splitting the community actively

doing pokemon on the sides

[nova marsh]

Wows community was split long before classic came tbh

[olive nest]

and how do you know this

[gaunt owl]

you dont wanna know

[minor gust]

it looks split but wow is not

most ppl who play classic will never touch retail

and vice versa

[smoky kayak]

sure, but do we really need classic era, wrath era, mop era, etc?

I feel like SoD kinda made Classic era outmoded, I'd be really interested to see what the actual player numbers are now

[wind flicker]

I actually tried classic, kinda enjoyed it. But i just feel if you're not a pvper the endgame becomes a bit boring

[nova marsh]

I mean I do kinda see ur point, espically since classic Era is actually dead

[smoky kayak]

but I also dunno how much effort it is for blizz to maintain the extra servers either, so it might not matter

[gaunt owl]

arent Classic server dying of death like Hardcore too ?

[smoky kayak]

oh yeah I forgot about hardcore mode

[gaunt owl]

you can only do so much of AQ 40 and Naxx run

[wind flicker]

I feel like Hardcore was a massive hype till people lost their lvl 40 chars xd

[smoky kayak]

that was fun to play once
more of a slog the second time
I won't do it a third time

[gaunt owl]

thats why Plunder Storm and MOP remix are the next lvl of content

they can put a twist on everything

[smoky kayak]

I should do plunderstorm before it goes away

think I can hit renown 20 or w/e in 2 days? 🤔

[gaunt owl]

you can hit 40

[minor gust]

I enjoy both classic is a vibe and feels like an mmo while retail scracthes the pve itch

[gaunt owl]

in 1 day

[wind flicker]

From what I've heard MOP remix is kinda easy to plow through in terms of content tho isnt it?

[smoky kayak]

I mean ok you could but I'm not THAT degen

[smoky kayak]

Yeah it is

[gaunt owl]

yeah MOP remix is there to grab more people going into next xpac with easy lvling and the cloak

[smoky kayak]

the only difficulty, from what we've seen so far, is how early you try to do some of the activities - like doing HM dungeons at <20 is doable but it'll be harder just cause you have less tools

[nova marsh]

Getting the extra cloak appearances is the only appeal for me if they're up for grabs

[wind flicker]

Well i do think its somewhat cool to allow for a "lvling boost" alternative in that way

Makes it more fun i guess

[smoky kayak]

there might be a tusks of mannoroth recolor 👀

we datamined a few partial things, but can't tell entirely yet

[nova marsh]

I saw that

[gaunt owl]

plz no

[nova marsh]

People are gonna riot

[gaunt owl]

i put in too many hours to get the original

[smoky kayak]

it's a cool temp event for sure

[gaunt owl]

i wouldnt mind having more tusks

[wind flicker]

@smoky kayak Any word on a legendary for warriors in TWW? Then i'll level like 10 warriors on MOP remix kekw

[nova marsh]

It's better than plunderstorm

[wind flicker]

Not getting screwed again by a legendary

[smoky kayak]

if it's purchaseable with bronze, it's fine
what I'm worried about is how they're going to incentivize Mythic SoO @ L70 👀

[wind flicker]

😂

[smoky kayak]

We've found two legendaries so far in TWW

[nova marsh]

We're cooked

[gaunt owl]

plz no end the lego

[wind flicker]

I assume for priest?

[smoky kayak]

but they suck
https://www.wowhead.com/news/legendary-companion-trinkets-datamined-in-the-war-within-338774

[nova marsh]

OH LOL

[wind flicker]

Ohh those

[smoky kayak]

one looks like a delve reward - probably something you get for maxing the delve friendship track w/ brann or w/e, the other is a delve companion equipment

[gaunt owl]

Brann is legendary

[smoky kayak]

So I don't think they're real legendaries

[olive nest]

brann already getting nerfed bc of legendaries

[smoky kayak]

more of a chase item for hardcore delve enthusiasts

[wind flicker]

I just realised Archi, your name has the same colour as the legendaries. Does that make you legendary too? 🤔

[gaunt owl]

our lego isnt real anyway

[nova marsh]

Our lego is the test version of demolish

[fossil thistle]

Brother facts.

As soon as I heard of demolish it was “fyralath on shorter cd with no dot”

The leek and garlic datamine makes me want a floppy 2h mace that’s just a huge carrot.

[lost zodiac]

Still learning, if you get that SD proc is it worth it to sweeping strikes or do I hold that until post BS?

[nova marsh]

Post BS always

because otherwise you waste like 3-5 seconds of Sweeping

[wind flicker]

I wouldnt sweep before ur bladestorm

Exactly what lectes said

[gaunt owl]

it do be a big nono !

[lost zodiac]

I think the two things I’m struggling with are finding windows to dump rage where I’m not delaying a button by accident and remembering to press sweeping in general as it comes off CD

[gaunt owl]

okay okay

dumping rage doesnt exists

you are stuck with a full rage bar and cant do shit about it

[lost zodiac]

That’s how I feel.

And I feel like if I clap to get rid of it in aoe, suddenly I’ll be starved when WW comes up

[nova marsh]

Do we use TC as a rage dump again now?

[gaunt owl]

with new 4set yes

its guaranteed OP reset

and rend refresh all we need in 1

[nova marsh]

oh okay

[gaunt owl]

poor Slam got stabbed

[nova marsh]

Basically go back to how we played in S2

[opaque citrus]

i think it was dumb to expect otherwise

[gaunt owl]

exactly this minus IP

[nova marsh]

So wait

[opaque citrus]

it's a seasonal limited fun event

[nova marsh]

Can I move slam of fthe bar?

[gaunt owl]

yep

[nova marsh]

neat ig

[gaunt owl]

there is probably still the macro that replace Slam with Cleave when talented in wowhead

[wind flicker]

No such thing as dumb questions ^^

[opaque citrus]

didnt say dumb question

wasn't referring to you as dumb lol, but a lot of people were like "omg its gonna be like mop mythic"

like nah man they would not do that for a summer-limited event lmfao

[wind flicker]

I know u werent referring to me as dumb mate dont worry ^^

[nimble basin]

wait how many crests do we need next week for full weap upgrade without one dropping this week?

[nova marsh]

Do I even need slam if I still have S3

[fossil thistle]

Mop on turbo mode with modern talent/abilities

[fossil thistle]

Won’t know till Tuesday

[gaunt owl]

depends on your current weapon

[nimble basin]

well, my current weap is current legendary lol

not had one drop

[gaunt owl]

but if you did upgrad your current weapon to max

those ilvl are gonna be free til it catch up to your weapon

[wind flicker]

30 wyrm + 60 aspect is it not?

[fossil thistle]

Iirc Fyralath can be replaced at 515

[wind flicker]

Assuming you have a 509 in bags

[nimble basin]

no 509 yet :(

[smoky kayak]

@nova marsh
#showtooltip /cast [known:Cleave] Cleave; Slam

[wind flicker]

Good place to start with ^^

[nimble basin]

trying believe me lol

[halcyon breach]

It's 90 Aspects

[nova marsh]

thanks.

[wind flicker]

Yikers

[green forum]

Can we max the Lego Axe next week?

[fossil thistle]

Likely

[smoky kayak]

I haven't tested it in awhile, but it should still work - lmk if it doesn't

[fossil thistle]

With all your crests + probably 4000 flightstones

[halcyon breach]

If you were lucky and was able to abuse the Wyrms upgrade to 522, it's only 60 Aspects

[smoky kayak]

I did 🙃

[halcyon breach]

So did I luckily

[smoky kayak]

only for my axe and completely by accident, but still

[nova marsh]

God what's it like having weapons drop lmao

....I should do keys

[fossil thistle]

7s brudder

I think halls is the easier one if you have a good healer

[gaunt owl]

it should i still have it from S1

[nova marsh]

Halls and easier are not something I think I'd ever see in the same sentance tbh

[gaunt owl]

it didnt move

[gaunt owl]

BUG ABUSE

[nova marsh]

well

expliot early expliot often

[halcyon breach]

Abuse early

[gaunt owl]

unacceptable

[fossil thistle]

👀 first 7 I ran was a +2 halls at like 490 group ilvl

[nova marsh]

halls in s2 was fucking hell

[fossil thistle]

Clever use of game mechanics**

[smoky kayak]

I didn't even know it was unintended, I just looted rasz axe and instantly sent upgrades

if I'd known, I'd have upgraded a lot more shit though

[nova marsh]

Imagine getting weapon drops

[hybrid sinew]

hey, i'm looking at the ST rotation (kinda trying to switch from fury), so just so I understand it, assuming that you arn't running ToM (so like AoE), assuming MS is on CD, we use our overpower stacks and then WW? We wouldn't go one OP stack into the WW then back to OP?

[fossil thistle]

Ngl imagine just getting drops

[robust ridge]

Do keys, get items

[smoky kayak]

that's ok, I haven't been able to use most of my other drops

I'd be 503 if I could actually equip all my new stuff

[nova marsh]

I'd be barely 490 but I've only done raid so far

[earnest narwhal]

it seems to be a m+ bug for warriors currently. im 1900+ rio with 508 ilvl and i cannot get in? will there be a fix?

[smoky kayak]

nope

[nova marsh]

There is a fix

[smoky kayak]

working as intended

[nova marsh]

it's called reroll

[fossil thistle]

WW on cd in aoe and 2x OP before MS unless MS is coming off CD iirc.
It becomes muscle memory and tbh I can’t think of writing out ST rotation 😂

[earnest narwhal]

forgot to mention im trying to get into a +7

[reef birch]

do i dare

[fossil thistle]

Wait Tuesday

[reef birch]

but thats so many days without this

[fossil thistle]

Because myth box is 100% in your vault

[earnest narwhal]

just use all crests u got basically since when u get something better its free to upgrade

[smoky kayak]

Yeah I mean... it's a good trinket but I personally tend to be very economical with my early crests

[robust ridge]

I wouldn't slam that till reset, but yeh; I upgraded weapon because that just shaves the upgrade cost off legendary

[smoky kayak]

maybe even too safe with them though so idk

[robust ridge]

But other stuff not so much

[smoky kayak]

Yeah weapon is fine

[nova marsh]

I'm playing omega safe

By not spending any at all!

[smoky kayak]

I just don't think this week is super important for maxing upgrades

[fossil thistle]

^

[earnest narwhal]

ive saved 30 wyrm and 30 aspects for my bullion item rest is whatever

[smoky kayak]

even though it's probably the hardest week of the season lol

[fossil thistle]

Legs and dairy on Tuesday

[reef birch]

wednesday is so far it seems like its in another future

[fossil thistle]

1650 myself at 498 and I can’t get into 2s. It hurts

[reef birch]

if i upgrade now i increase that chance its in vault

[gaunt owl]

upgrading trinket is a bold move !

[reef birch]

i know how this racket works

[smoky kayak]

by all means, manifest it then

[gaunt owl]

if you upgrade weapon it's free

[reef birch]

i havent

[smoky kayak]

TBF, getting another 120 crests next week too

[reef birch]

i spent my other crests on embelish

[earnest narwhal]

:S tried a +4 this morning at 1800 and 505ilvl didnt work either

[fossil thistle]

Yea man it’s bugged idk

I find if you make your own group, you can pick up some 180k dps paladins though

[gaunt owl]

doing m+ i couldnt get into any pug

not sure whats happening yet

but my best guess is people are picky as fuck and the game is deserted

[fossil thistle]

People just don’t know how big our arms are this season

[gaunt owl]

so did we sandbag properly or too much

is the question ?

[fossil thistle]

Arms warrior is typically your turbo car that feels slow after 2 years so you tune it.

[gaunt owl]

we only got buffed since S1

and here we are

with our free tuning tier set build in that got buffed too

[fossil thistle]

I feel like S1 was peak (new car) S2 didnt play (it was winter, cars put away) S3 was okay but I felt 4set was meh (car feels slow after a bit) and S4 is back to feeling good (newly tuned😎)

[gaunt owl]

we got like 50% more horsepower since S1

thats the funky part

[fossil thistle]

But now we’re back baby

https://tenor.com/view/opens-door-stephen-sharer-midnight-song-garage-door-lamborghini-gif-26278651

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-pratt-middle-finger-dont-care-number-one-gif-12624040

[nimble basin]

just did a nelth 8 with 3.7k alts, actually mental how much better and more fun it is. Also how it improves you and your dps with big pulls, packs onto boss etc. wtf

so not used to that xD

[opaque citrus]

Pugs gets worse every season and this season amped it more than usual with the dungeon level changes

[gaunt owl]

i did probably miss the curve of stupid elitism

when if you dont have 2k by day 1 you are basically fucked

[astral yarrow]

thats where i am