arms

[elfin kindle]

And last boss hc kill aswell ?
Then u can catalyst one item
Meaning you only need 1 tierpiece drop to get 4p?

[cursive sun]

no

either 2k

or raid clear

u cant get both

[elfin kindle]

Ah its wither, sadge

Either*

Got my hc one

[cursive sun]

i got my 4set day 1

so lucky

[elfin kindle]

I didnt get any tierdrop from lfg or n

Got tier head from hc tho

[dense nimbus]

like how much ilvl diff must be there for legendary to lose value until we upgrade it?

[boreal quartz]

Like 10 or so

I have a 512 and it's an uppie

[dense nimbus]

i see

[boreal quartz]

@dense nimbus

That's the sim if ur curious

[dense nimbus]

alright

[regal echo]

how much crests and which kind of crests is it going to cost to upgrade the legendary to full?

[last dome]

same as any wep

[molten crane]

is puzzle box still good for us?

[dense nimbus]

about legendary upgrade. it upgrades only with aspect?

or its like any other item

Wrymm to aspect

[boreal quartz]

Yes

[boreal quartz]

Like this

[molten crane]

nicee ty

[dense nimbus]

perfect thanks

[bronze loom]

best race m+ this season? really nightelf? nah or

[halcyon breach]

Nelf doesn't have as many things they can skip or abuse this season

But Dwarf is good for dispels

[bronze loom]

yeah just thought the same

[dense nimbus]

any of you guys currently standing on more than 6400 haste + crit (with buffs)? did you sim to see if the haste and crit are still having value?

[boreal quartz]

I just topgear

[latent moss]

my stats are cooked rn

cause of eranog ring

need to recraft torc and craft bsl

[cursive sun]

holy fk

like

having high ilv weps

defo makes a diff

[latent moss]

522 shits on the leggo

[bronze nest]

For me shadowflame boots are almost 1% upgrade than BSL

[steep osprey]

is 522 max hero track

[bronze nest]

I dont think it worth it to spend crest?

for weapon

[halcyon breach]

yes

[bronze nest]

since next week we upgrading lego

[halcyon breach]

The crests you spend you save when you upgrade the lego anyway

It's basically paying it forward

[bronze nest]

sorry what?

if I spend crests now

I wont be having them for lego next weekl

[halcyon breach]

You dont need crests to upgrade the lego to whatever ilvl the weapon you'd upgrade this week is

[bronze nest]

Yes but you need flightstones

as well

[halcyon breach]

whcih are farmable

[bronze nest]

depends on your time u spend

[rotund ferry]

U can farm them

[bronze nest]

yes

[halcyon breach]

I mean you're fine to save it till next week if you really dont want to farm them

you'll just be weaker this week

[storm lark]

How many flightstones will full lego upgrade cost?

[candid pecan]

It cost me 1750 flightstone to upgrade 506 -> 522 (2 hander)

[rotund ferry]

Just roll high on raz weapon and u have to upgrade it like once

[eager solstice]

Hey guys haven't played arms in a while, in terms of bursting in M+, is it safe to use a /use warbreaker + avatar macro or will it skip the warbreaker cast and go straight into bladestorm?

[smoky brook]

But you can upgrade twice right ?

[thick kelp]

0 macros for Arms

[raven nymph]

I use top gear for actual gear choices. Once it gets sorted out I’ll run stats just for shits and giggles. All my secondaries are extremely close now with 4pc

[quiet merlin]

Quick question fellow warriors, would Wrecking Throw work on the empowered crystal on the last boss of Azure Vault?

[ebon hollow]

do we use MS on cd in execute phase with new tset?

[thorn sentinel]

are arms warrior harder to play in s4 then they was in s3 ?

[bronze nest]

same thing

actually much better now with cleave

[steep osprey]

Guys

What buuild do you play for raszageth on hc?

surely it's not fully st since there's ads

dunno

[astral yarrow]

I played cleave

That was a mistake

[steep osprey]

I don't have 4p

[astral yarrow]

Try just taking warbreaker

I didn’t either

[bronze nest]

wdym?

[steep osprey]

ok i guess

WB it is

[bronze nest]

ah for raz

[steep osprey]

Wb loosk cool anyway

[bronze nest]

nvm, sorry

[steep osprey]

cooler

[bronze nest]

justplay fury

for raz

😄

[steep osprey]

nuh uh

[bronze nest]

fury fits perfectly for raz

[steep osprey]

cba changing my weapon enchants

and stuff

[bronze nest]

u dont need to? 😛

fury and arms are the same almost

[steep osprey]

im using wafting idk

[bronze nest]

same fury

[steep osprey]

fury does want wafting?

[bronze nest]

yes

[steep osprey]

on both weapons?

[bronze nest]

yes

[steep osprey]

what's different on rasz on hc

I forgot

[bronze nest]

2 adds

instead of1

more ballz

[steep osprey]

I love playing with balls

[bronze nest]

i bet you do 🙂

[steep osprey]

what's this

[bronze nest]

the pool

on p3

not pool sorry

the pull

[hazy flower]

I didnt die so healers problem

[rare kite]

p3 mechanic

[steep osprey]

oh

[rare kite]

pulls everyone into the zone, 1 player has it

[steep osprey]

I remember it now

nvm

i don't know what you're supposed to do against it

i guess just move away from everyone?

[rare kite]

ye, away from the breath and ofcourse not inside the lightning shit

[steep osprey]

this is gonna be tough

we just wiped once

[rare kite]

p3 easiest part of rasz

[steep osprey]

yeah ik

don't stand infront of thunderous blast

[dull siren]

why not

[steep osprey]

[ebon hollow]

do we not play improved SS with new tset in keys?

[dull siren]

you can

[misty yew]

is this correct, thouhgt lego got beaten at 509

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hMJuHaAPZcqspUGBQAGa6q

[boreal quartz]

Cr helmet

[ebon hollow]

is BSL neck better than lariat?

[glass sphinx]

what is BSL ?

[dull siren]

Blue Silken Lining

[glass sphinx]

is it value now ?

[dull siren]

It's good.

[glass sphinx]

over allied wrist ?

[dull siren]

Well, It has more value overall to craft it week 1.
The Mastery goes up to 1k+
Vers wrists are around 3k+ DPS to make 525.
BSL is around 6k if you don't have 1 already.

But with BSL you have to think a bit more of not taking avoidable damage n etc.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4GCckqdAKUtBaYUQBkRGXx

45% Uptime BSL

But it's also not a locked craft into Neck/Ring.
You can put it on Boots n etc

[glass sphinx]

how does this work now ? its pretty wierd to me

[dull siren]

Secondary stats has more value than main stat currently.
Since last tier even.

42% Crit
42% Haste

Mastery + Vers
Is a very good line to go by.

[glass sphinx]

yea but how do you get that ?

i mean how do you know the from the
20 crit
40 haste
20mastery
20vers

[glass sphinx]

yea i checked every warrior, it seems like a good stat to go for

[dull siren]

I've never lookt at that graph in my life.
I've looked at the outcome from running every set up b4 I made.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2xMgnMM5Udo8mpn9n3gx8IymKNabO-jg3LnE7LQV_t-EjQPcAzqiDdjztIOwZW/pubhtml

Stat Weights on SimC i've never used either cus it's pretty meh

[ebon hollow]

hey im trying to understand when to use cleave over MS
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kQ2GpLL5zVP9qjjRmiQjnR
in this sim its on 3 targets where cleave is a higher prio but it still uses MS sometimes, why is that?

[dull siren]

Sweeping Strikes.

If there's 3 targets and sweeping Strikes is up, MS has more value

[glass sphinx]

am i cooked for crafting 425 wrists ?

i can still recraft my back to get BSL

[dull siren]

I mean, No.
You can still get BSL on old items.

Wrists are a fine craft.
They will be used so 😄

[rare kite]

versa wrists? nah they are good

[latent moss]

are u running 2x bsl or

i was thinking bsl + allied

where would that bsl go

neck?

with torc

[dull siren]

I mean, I'm not gonna start off with 2x BSL.
Probs goin futher into the season I will.

Crafts are pretty good in the slots of Neck / Wrists.

As we get further in we will want double ring from Eranog/Diurna = We love borrowed power.

[latent moss]

😳

[glass sphinx]

with arms being so squishy atm in VOTI is it worth to recraft my back to BSL now from shadowflame ?

[latent moss]

its not squishy at all

u just have to play ur defensives properly

anticipate damage

[bleak fog]

As in panic and push em all at once!

[dull siren]

It's a personal choice.

You can play Shadowflame, BSL, Lariat.
BSL is above in M+ has a higher value than Lariat + Shadowflame

[latent moss]

lariat kinda fucked atm ngl

as we are replacing pieces

[dull siren]

Lariat hard loses value when you lose sockets

[latent moss]

with no sockets

y

[dull siren]

every gem loss -1 sec

[bleak fog]

I went for Allied wrist

[dull siren]

Only reason, I'm not gonna do Allied Wrists is because they have a socket currently.
Rather just make a Ring or a Neck where you don't lose sockets.

[glass sphinx]

Ring craft is kinda risky in my mind, since you need eranog ring and diurna ring is a huge help

[bleak fog]

Well as for now in S4 i will have 6 weapons in vault.. So socket first week 😛

[dull siren]

Well, So lookin at in the picture of a guy who raids.
Diurna ring, Warrior is very low prio of getting.
Eranog Ring, We are up there as everyone else.
If you are raiding with guilds n not just RNG rolling on loot.

[calm hollow]

You will not have those ring for a very long time

[glass sphinx]

thats true

[calm hollow]

You might as well craft a ring

[dull siren]

And for how we will buy gear with Bullions.
We will buy Lego > Eranog Ring > x

[robust ridge]

By the time you get those raid rings, you'll be able to re-craft

[dull siren]

^

[glass sphinx]

Eranog ring over a BIS trincket ?

[dull siren]

Yes

[robust ridge]

It has big value

[dull siren]

I play M+ and Raid, I will value Ring.
As the Signet Trinket has less value in M+.

[latent moss]

i will prob go crafted + eranog for some time

i got eranog

how big is the difference

[dull siren]

Then you will probs pivot into Omnious Stat Stick or Icon.
If you play M+

[latent moss]

between 502 eranog and max lvl

[glass sphinx]

tbf signet is pretty useless in short fights which is more than 80% of the raid

[dull siren]

You can sim it 🤓

@latent moss

[latent moss]

🤓

i will

prob gonna go for oce

oce makes the most sense

for m+ and raid

[dull siren]

That is also a factor.
I mean, 2 first buys.
I will say is pretty hard locked

I mean first buy is giga hardlocked for Lego 😄

[calm hollow]

Well not mythic right now in low gear

But true

[latent moss]

watch me get pips

[dull siren]

🤡

[latent moss]

i trust xantage and he said axe is dogshit

[dull siren]

@hexed saddle has stepped on lego

too many times

[glass sphinx]

one last question, arms gonna beat endgame fury or not

since fury will be to FAT with all the items u can get

[toxic sigil]

What's the off piece for Arms?

[latent moss]

hard

arms hard beats fury

at st

[dull siren]

Arms and Fury are kinda equal in AoE sense.
But in ST Arms currently bodies Fury so hard

Fury 390k

Arms 430k

5T AoE Fury is still strong

[buoyant glade]

Do we break 4 set at all for 2 set 2 set?

[latent moss]

real answer is sim it

its worse for me but im using it anyway

for some people its better

depends on ilvl

[buoyant glade]

5K lose in my sim so I assume not

[dull siren]

that conepog guy so hot has 2 set

[calm hollow]

I wonder at What ilvl its not a loss

[latent moss]

[calm hollow]

Even with Maxed heroic pieces its a loss, Maybe with 2 528 mythic set?

[latent moss]

no clue

im running it for fun

big numbers 🙂

800k ms is fun

[cursive sun]

i hit 988k ms

[calm hollow]

Will just run it after reset, at 4 set

[cursive sun]

that was big

without tom

[latent moss]

4set abuser 100%

[cursive sun]

damn right

[slow saddle]

i fuckin WANT 4set on arms

jesus

i miss big ms

[steep osprey]

[bronze nest]

wrists will lose socket when u upgrade 😦

[calm hollow]

It always does

[opaque citrus]

Everything but rings

Which for some reason get guaranteed sockets when crafted

[bronze nest]

yeah I know

just answer to Tmy

ah

i didnt saw the not

mb

😄

[dull siren]

[bronze nest]

@dull siren sorry for the ping

[dull siren]

and gives me another ping

[bronze nest]

😛

[calm hollow]

Yea @dull siren, sorry

[bronze nest]

hahaha

[steep osprey]

Why can't pugs kill raszageth

[opaque citrus]

Kinda rude

[bronze nest]

Does it worth doing LFR for 4p ?

I have 1 cata , 1 normal piece , the mark from raz

[opaque citrus]

Never have

[bronze nest]

or just wait"? 😛

[slow saddle]

hc or normal ?:D

[steep osprey]

hc obviously

[opaque citrus]

H Rasz is super easy right now too compared to s1

[steep osprey]

I know he is

and they still can't

even curved groups

[opaque citrus]

Although

[steep osprey]

fucking weird

[opaque citrus]

Rasz is the only boss in heroic right now that actually requires healing

[steep osprey]

people are losing it

[calm hollow]

Wait for reset for another catalyst imo

[bronze nest]

yeah thought the same

[calm hollow]

Thats what I’m doing too

[bronze nest]

i got some gloves today as well

hero

so practically i got 4p for next wee

[calm hollow]

I will pray for any head/shouldr/legs from vault in 428

Or at 2/4 myth track, will upgrade it

[slow saddle]

i got 1p

1 from killin hc raza

then i guess 1 cata charge rdy

BUT IVE DONE FUCKIN 15 dungeons and not a single plate item yet

[calm hollow]

How?

[slow saddle]

2 weapons and 5 trinkets

[calm hollow]

Lmao

[slow saddle]

like its

i have no words

duplicate trinkets

the fotball one

3

^_^

[calm hollow]

Now that I think of it, I didnt get a single tier piece either, only belts, trinkets, back etc

[slow saddle]

oh ye i traded for a back

just joined a +8 on my ret

1st key

Helm

506

jesus

i swear ret has badluck protection

[calm hollow]

I have a 506 timewalk Helm.. but you cant cata those

[slow saddle]

1st Hc vault on him i got signet- then augery

i should prob do TW for the Q

the chest

how long time does a tw take these days?

[calm hollow]

You run one black temple

30 mins

Or at least we cleared it fast

[opaque citrus]

BT is giga easy and kills two birds with one stone

[slow saddle]

ok

nice

[calm hollow]

You will have 2 quests, dont forget the second one

[slow saddle]

ye got it thx

[calm hollow]

Cool, np

528 weapon is how far from maxed legendary? Is it 12/14?

[slow saddle]

i think leggo is 535

[thorn sentinel]

how hard is arms warrior to play in season 4 then season 3 are the priority list hard ?

[calm hollow]

It is, just not sure how much ilvl we get for an upgrade after 428

[lethal stream]

guys icon bis for arms?

[calm hollow]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/arms/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[reef glade]

for m+ I think yes as per wowhead but not as much on single target

It still will be really good I’m sure if u stil have s3 trinkets

[short spear]

wait so icon is still better than augery even after its nerfs for M+?

dont like that lol

[calm hollow]

blizzard is drunk again

[bronze loom]

upgrade champion icon with wyrm crests

or safe them?

[nimble basin]

Isn't wyrm for hero also?

I used mine on some hero pieces that are BiS

pretty safe use

for now

[bronze loom]

yes sure thats the reason why i asked

only got heroic rings till now

[nimble basin]

I tend to use mine sparingly early in the season

aslong as you're not overcapping flightstones

Wyrm for good hero pieces unlikely to be replaced anytime soon is my advice, but haven't looked into it much yet.

[bronze loom]

k ty

[nimble basin]

other than crafted 60 aspect crests I'm saving the rest? for weap next week, someone did the maths but yeh

[bronze loom]

2nd question -> got 476 neck and 486 vers bracers -> make vers bracers first again or neck with food embelishment?

[hollow axle]

You can upgrade your 509 this week

You wont need crests for the firsts upgrades on the legendary

[nimble basin]

I went bracers first as got tuskarr neck. Seen some go neck first. Depends.

[nimble basin]

if you get a weapon drop?

havent had one drop yet

although fair, hopefully will by then

[untold nimbus]

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but if the legendary weapon is not attainable, what is the next best choice for weapon? Is it Ashakandur?

[thick kelp]

Loot one from key or vault and wait foe leggo

[brisk slate]

I'd say Ashkandur is next in line, yes. When in doubt, sim it out though

[thick kelp]

dont spend bullion tho

on ashkandur

[latent moss]

bullion on eranog ring or trinket

if u dont have leggo

[untold nimbus]

Ok thank you

[olive nest]

first bullion on lego

[wary raft]

if you are 100% not getting lego then prolly should spend on ashkandur, no?

[olive nest]

2nd eggnog

:)

[thick kelp]

no

spending on ashkandur

is bad bad

[latent moss]

eranog prob a bigger dps increase

[thick kelp]

when u can just walk into a key and get hero track

and play that untill leggo

[olive nest]

well

the bullion is myth track tec

[wary raft]

isnt the difference fully upgraded like 13 ilvls on wep

so its pretty large

522 vs 535

+effect on ash

[thick kelp]

also u can get one easily from mythic council this week

[olive nest]

I would just kill fyrakk every week

instead of spending bullion on 2h sword

[wary raft]

if hes not able to get the legendary, then hes prolly not killing mythic council

[thick kelp]

u can pug mythic council xd

[wary raft]

he said not attainable which tells me hes not raiding at all

or he doesnt want to

[nimble basin]

'easy' come on. Mythic, and even then no guarantee you get it competing with pugs.

[untold nimbus]

Safe to say I am not very good…

[olive nest]

first 2 Mythic is very puggable

the added mechs are still easy for pugs to do without extra coordination

[nimble basin]

But, it's not easy to get it. Even if you kill it in a pug.

[wary raft]

what level of keys are you doing, and are you raiding heroic/mythic at all?

[nimble basin]

you think if they're pugging mythic they wouldn't have lego by now, or be getting it lol

[thick kelp]

yes maybe they could have been a fresh reroll for guild etc.

[nimble basin]

just don't think its an easy alternative tbf.

for someone who hasn't got the axe yet, i.e. someone probably playing at a lower level.

[thick kelp]

well if they arent getting axe then they would only be losing on the 2x myth upgrades

from jusy having a hero track wep

so ashakndur buy is still bad

xdddd

[untold nimbus]

I have been trying to even get into +2 keys and can’t get in so I assumed people don’t want warriors in M+. I had a 2400 score last season so I am not terrible. I am comfortable with heroic raiding

[nimble basin]

oh for sure, not saying buy ash

[wary raft]

its a bad buy for someone who can do the content to get hero track and max vault, for someone who isnt and wont obtain the lego it seems to be fine

[thick kelp]

if u are comfortable with hc raid u can easily pug fyrakk on hc and get leggo eventually

[wary raft]

^^

[thick kelp]

2400 score implies they can get max vault

[untold nimbus]

And I assume just do it on the non-awakened version to get the S3 version?

[wary raft]

if u can do heroic then pug fyraak and try to get lego, its definitely obtainable at your perceived level of skill

[untold nimbus]

And then upgrade with bullion?

[wary raft]

yep, its an item from the "dream distributor"

[untold nimbus]

Ok that makes sense

[nimble basin]

this whole it's 'easy' to win shit in pugs is meh lol.

Best advice is do something more in your control

tbh

[brisk slate]

You can also run your own keys. Or craft A decent weapon at some point, but some stuff available for bullions is probably more of an upgrade... And not as readily available as the legendary

[thick kelp]

well a weapon for str 2h is easy to win cuz everyone and their mothers will be using leggo nxt week

[nimble basin]

Definitely less competition now that's fair. Still pretty luck based depending on the groups.

[brisk slate]

Doesn't that mean that the fyrakk runs would significantly drop off if it's not his turn to drop loot?

[nimble basin]

harder to get intos 8's rn than 25's last season wtf. timed 8's, nearly 500 ilvl. Just wanting to farm gear lmao.

if 4pc is strong though, I guess arms will be looked at more favourably in the next few weeks.

[gaunt owl]

50+ dps applying to keys you are competing with

[finite mantle]

5000+ actually

[hallow abyss]

hey guys, is it worth already to have the s4 2set with s3 2set?

[nimble basin]

oh for sure, will be the amount applying.

[nimble basin]

not in my simming and tests.

dps loss for both st and m+

[hallow abyss]

dang, ok ty ❤️

[nimble basin]

check yourself tho

[hallow abyss]

actually i dont really know how to sim stuff like this hehe 😄

[bleak fog]

Depends on Ilvl aswell.. Raidfinder naaa.. HC/myth track might be 😛

[slow saddle]

cba to sim

a socket on a ring is worth about what?

13 ilvls or has it changed?

[bleak fog]

~103 stats

[velvet vessel]

my boys what Item with embelish are we crafting?

vers wrists?
BSL?

[nimble basin]

neck wrist or shadowgflame

depends on what you get loot wise i guess

[shrewd badge]

Quick question, is it worth breaking at 2 set or 4 set?

[nimble basin]

4

[velvet vessel]

Aagard / XAN sheet says neck + wrists
Archi guide says wrists + flame boots

[shrewd badge]

❤️ thank you

[safe cedar]

would you consider this a good uptime in a key for BSL?

[rugged wave]

Which build gonna be best to use in M+ with 2p/2p?

[analog cipher]

mmm macro for puzzle+blade dont work actualy?

[brisk slate]

They might've fixed it

[robust ridge]

They did fix it, was announced weeks back now

[analog cipher]

rip

[brisk slate]

Oh, I haven't seen that, then. Thanks for letting me know as well

[frigid lava]

At what point... u start abandoning tier set bonus

like.. for ilvl

[raven nymph]

Sim default is 30. Anything over 60 was great on my rogue

[raven nymph]

Sim

[frigid lava]

:()

[raven nymph]

2+2 probably close but a loss ST. Better in keys.

[olive nest]

yes

30-35% uptime still beats Shadowflame in ST

[bronze nest]

does it?

because the sim tells me to do shadowflame instread of bsl in ST

alongside with wrists

[raven nymph]

They’ll be close. Can put uptime higher to 35 or 40

[olive nest]

It does for me

and aoe only gets better

[warm oxide]

what tier did we get

[olive nest]

s1

[warm oxide]

ty ❤️

[lost zodiac]

Is seal of filial duty worth considering? Will already be running eggnog ring and mainly focused toward m+

My experience so far (last boss tyr uldaman) is that arms doesn’t feel particularly tanky and I think the shield would get consistent value

[olive nest]

well, you run it becuase it gives stats

shield is bonus

[lost zodiac]

Would you spend your third dinar on it

[raven nymph]

Revisit that in a month.

[bronze nest]

waht's a normal uptime for BSL?

in a raid sitation

what should I sim for

[raven nymph]

I had 65% on heroic rasz

[lost zodiac]

On H farm 80%+. On M prog, could be 30% or lower

[raven nymph]

Sim 35 if you’re worried. 40 is probably safe.

Keys are usually 50%

[bronze nest]

default for sim is 40%

if ui play BSL I also assume u play vers phial?

[raven nymph]

I have not

But personal choice

You can negate almost all of corrupting via alchemy

[bronze nest]

when we have next craft?

[slow saddle]

?

as in crafted item ?

[bronze nest]

the spark

[raven nymph]

2 resets

[bronze nest]

so I can craft my BSL in 2 weeks

so we dont get like we did this week

1 from weekly and 1 random

[raven nymph]

Basically alternates crafted item then dinar item

[bronze nest]

I went for wrists

you think i misplayed?

[raven nymph]

I think you’re overthinking it

And it’ll be fine

[severe saffron]

a lot of thinking seems to be going on

is this not warrior discord

[raven nymph]

Just smash

[severe saffron]

[tacit glacier]

Stupid litle question... how to use Legendary while bladestorm? oO

[bronze nest]

u cant

only with Avatar ( which with talents does bladestorm)

[frigid lava]

cancel aura XD

[bronze nest]

I just ask because everybody is going crazxy wityh BSL

[frigid lava]

what's bsl

[bronze nest]

The mastery buff

[frigid lava]

?

[raven nymph]

Then embellishments are overall so minimal. BSL is just at a point where some of the discords have figured out it’s not crazy hard to keep buff up and secondary starts are getting to point where all are good.

[frigid lava]

What's a BSL?

[cursive sun]

blue

silken

lining

the mastery embellishment

[frigid lava]

Ah..

[raven nymph]

On my rogue I didn’t care about overall uptime of it. I cared if it was up during CDs. That’s when it mattered most and it was quite easy to play around that.

[bronze nest]

The funny thing is that everybody here going on heated conversations about BSL

and nobody crafted it 😛

[dusk bough]

Vers bracers all the way 😂

[raven nymph]

just use last seasons

[halcyon breach]

If you have good healers, and are good at using your defensives, it's not unrealistic to have good uptime of it

[final dove]

im gonna NUT

https://tenor.com/view/keemstar-im-fast-as-fuck-boi-keemstar-run-running-fast-gif-18083431

[olive nest]

Large

[final dove]

do i upgrade it tho?

like

or save aspects for axe

[bronze nest]

why u played bsl last seasoN? 😛

[sage badge]

60 Wyrm's Crests and 90 Aspect's Crests is the amount you need to fully upgrade your axe. So up to you

[raven nymph]

yep, warrior was also an alt at that point. you can also just recraft your shadow piece

[dusk bough]

Is incarnate icon good still or did they nerf it into the ground? just got a champion one

[halcyon breach]

It's still good

[opaque citrus]

It’s not hard bis anymore but yeah it’s good

[halcyon breach]

Its effectiveness does depend on the rest of your group though

[dusk bough]

so as time goes on better

[halcyon breach]

Depends

[dusk bough]

thats the same with the other one we want too right

[halcyon breach]

Tanks dont want to use Icon

[opaque citrus]

Icon is jail for tanks

[halcyon breach]

And not all healers want to use it either

OCE is easier to fit in, because it's not role based

[final dove]

can we still use cleave pre s4 set

[olive nest]

You could

[halcyon breach]

If you want to

[bronze nest]

yes, but doesn't worth it

[olive nest]

I was doing it just familiarize myself with the bind

[bronze nest]

just remove slam

xd

[olive nest]

also gotta get used to now wasting prowes stacks on Cleave in ST

[hollow wave]

in AOE i'am capping to much rage, how can I avoid capping rage in AOE? or its ok?

[bronze nest]

use IP 😄

[opaque citrus]

It’s not a huge deal, arms is overflowing with rage outside of execute phase

[hollow wave]

This is actually a good advice

thanks

[hollow wave]

Yea I feel sometimes I don't have a button to dump rage

everything is on CD

[opaque citrus]

Thunderclap?

[frail belfry]

Slam is a better filler than TC

[opaque citrus]

Not in aoe

Unless you’re talented into slam stuff

Which I don’t see why you would

[frail belfry]

Since the new Tset buffs your Cleve dmg use that for aoe

[halcyon breach]

Slam basically is replaced by Cleave in ST when you get 4p (if you have Cleave talented)

[tranquil mist]

does manic get benefit from colossus smash?

[halcyon breach]

And otherwise, yes you'd just use TC if you have nothing else to press since you need to manually refresh Rend again

[halcyon breach]

No, trinkets don't ever get buffed by class damage amps

[tranquil mist]

thanks

[halcyon breach]

(Except very few exceptions which are outliers)

[tranquil mist]

manic grieftorch is not an exception right

[halcyon breach]

I mean class abilities

Warrior doesn't have any to buff trinkets

[hollow wave]

Yea, I think it make sense spam TC, even tho I doesn't does that much damage by itself

[opaque citrus]

Well… that wasn’t the situation specified

“Everything on cooldown”

[opaque citrus]

They do, kinda

(Spear)

[hollow wave]

When I said everything, I didn't mean to say also slam, since I replaced with cleave 🙂

[frail belfry]

It’s still an option 😄

Also TC like nish said

[late nacelle]

cata charge 1 per week?

[spark patrol]

Sooo ladies and gentleman, i once again need to ask if we play cleave or not ? (i have 4set)

[spark patrol]

yes

[late nacelle]

god 2 days in and im already bored

feels like reliving buncha old stuff

[halcyon breach]

This works yeah but hopefully no one uses it for trinket damage

[spark patrol]

thats pretty much what it is :D

[late nacelle]

funny how the week be4 s4 i was so hyped

jess lmao

[spark patrol]

id just think of it as an opportunity to wrap up everything dragonflight and maybe play some new or different classes since content is pretty easy below +10 keys and pvp obviously

[late nacelle]

ye , maybe ill focus on getting my lego , not even sure if the rate is rolledover from s3

[opaque citrus]

Hopefully lmao

[reef glade]

Spear grieftorch beacon W

[dire hinge]

there's no reason to assume it didn't rollover. So far, we are seeing many folks get their legos this week, which would not be happening if it reset

[late nacelle]

wait it's fyrakk for your region ?

mine is vault of whatever forgot the name

but yeah

[dire hinge]

you can still get the lego even if Fyrakk is not empowered 👍

[late nacelle]

oh

didnt thought of it legit

ok

[dire hinge]

in fact, with him being unempowered, it's easier than it ever has been to kill him

[late nacelle]

yeah thanks for info

[dire hinge]

of course!

[bronze nest]

If u have 4set yes

[dire hinge]

you can play cleave with 2/2, no need to wait for 4

[bronze nest]

does it really worth it tho?

to lose 4p bonus?

[dire hinge]

for dungeons it's fine

[bronze nest]

I think raidbots might be bugged when I do 2p and 2p

it shows a 4.5% downgrade 😛

[sage badge]

For aoe? Probably because sweeping strikes is breaking it. But I dunno without seeing

[bronze nest]

oh its bugged for DS

when I did ST its even a 1.7% upgrade lol

yeah everything else patchwerk 1T is broken when u choose 2p

[last seal]

this is probably an obvious answer but if i loot a M+ wep and upgrade it then next week grab the fyralath level up item can i upgrade fyr for free up to the hero ilvl wep?

[sage badge]

Yes

[last seal]

thought so thanks

[fossil thistle]

Would prob want 512/515 weapon to replace fyr'alath

iirc from my sims

[last seal]

yeah i'll replace it until next week thats the idea i just didnt want to get goofed and have to pay again

[gilded kraken]

anyone tried wrecking throw for vault final boss

might be a thing kek

[dire hinge]

was a thing the first time it was around, so yes

[gilded kraken]

what do you replace

[dire hinge]

good for adds an intermission shields

[gilded kraken]

1 point in wrecking throw?

wait sry

overwhelming rage

i assume

[dire hinge]

i dropped Crushing Force for it

[safe cedar]

can drop pain&gain for it

[gilded kraken]

ill try pain and gan

i dont run crushing force

ty anyway

[faint granite]

Do i have to craft shadowflame embelish to proc this?

[halcyon breach]

Lego/Head enchant procs it

Any other source of shadowflame/fire damage should you have any, does as well

[faint granite]

Okok

I have no leggo atm

when i will loot it

will it be 502 immediately and upgradable?

or i have to also buy the scale for 2 dinars

[halcyon breach]

Considering the funky things that has happened, I have not seen anyone get a 502 from finishing it this week, but otherwise yes you'll have to pay 2 bullions to upgrade it like the rest

[frigid lava]

how are u guys farming flightstones? just grinding M+s?

[faint granite]

m+

i always capped

[jovial sparrow]

ok stupid question is it word to play arms with s3 4set

[faint granite]

feels like behind

but its ok i gues

no leggo

[jovial sparrow]

and in how is it in the raid ?

[short spear]

is it just me or are demo locks doing tons of damage atm in keys

[faint granite]

yeah it pumps

[elfin kindle]

how does ur aoe opener look like

do u use Dragons roar before warbraker?

[thick kelp]

after CS in aoe

[gaunt owl]

activate windows you gain 10% dps

[elfin kindle]

Thats what I think too but I've watched a bunch of @daring heron pulls and he always uses WB after

[faint granite]

Haha x)

what's cs?

[calm hollow]

counter strike

[gaunt owl]

Colossus Smash or its counter part Warbreaker

[faint granite]

ah ok

i personnaly

avatar roar

warbreaker

bs

[elfin kindle]

why i nthat order?

why not wb before roar

(critcake does same as u)

[faint granite]

because warbreaker don't last long enough

you win 1s warbreaker

[gaunt owl]

i goofed up

[thick kelp]

noo

[gaunt owl]

redoing my guides because i'm a silly goose

and messed up the AOE part somehow

not sure when

[thick kelp]

Too much cook

[faint granite]

roar still get buffed from warbreaker

the dot

event if you cs after

[elfin kindle]

it does? makes sense then

[thick kelp]

dynamic update on dot tick

[thick kelp]

no snapshotting

[kind sonnet]

roar buffs your bleeds tho, I think you roar before everything

[thick kelp]

All the 9's and 10's I depleted yday must have been cuz of your old cook prio , ,

[short spear]

@kind sonnet that change to roar isnt happening until tww

[elfin kindle]

where did you find this

[kind sonnet]

yeah, it is whatever I guess

I usually play 1m roar as well, so want to get it back as soon as possible

[gaunt owl]

thats my cook

[gaunt owl]

its the pug quality, only timed my 10s with guildies

[calm hollow]

the only part i dont get in your opener is the cleave

why before BS?

[hazy flower]

🙏

[thick kelp]

to proc

4p

[gaunt owl]

its with 4p off course

[calm hollow]

ah, makes sense

[hazy flower]

My highest key is +10 aa

[calm hollow]

forgot it

[gaunt owl]

if you dont its a huge loss you need that uptime

[elfin kindle]

aye I figured, do you have a disc or smth with these :)?

[hazy flower]

Love vdh

No aggro bitches

Cant tclap

😠

[gaunt owl]

shameless plug from my boy @finite mantle

[finite mantle]

[gaunt owl]

wait dont join

we are 3k members

i love round numbers

[finite mantle]

boot someone quick like (mememememe)

[hazy flower]

New fallout show

Looks good

So far

1ep in

[finite mantle]

Anything with Walton Goggins is a dub

[olive nest]

Best info!

[finite mantle]

Just don’t ask for m+ logs !!!!

[gaunt owl]

i dont understand the point of logging m+ 😄

[novel hollow]

bragging rights

in case u dont make a screenshot

[ashen cloud]

bragging, but also allows you to review performance, where you can improve etc

[novel hollow]

usually bragging

but that too

[hazy flower]

Thats one of the ways I improved

• very very often I’ll check diff logs to compare some stuff, check deaths damage taken etc

[gaunt owl]

#1 issue in m+, dying

[hazy flower]

100%

Last season dont die dont do negative damage

And you’ll time almost any key

[slow saddle]

Cba to log since i got boon trinket🤣

I know why i died 10 sec standing stilø

[fossil thistle]

Man

Why do so many people suck at Nokhud mechanics

[slow saddle]

Which of em?

2nd boss?

[fossil thistle]

I didn't even do it during S1/S2 and it took me 1 key to memorize everything

2nd, 3rd, 4th

literally all of it lol

[slow saddle]

Ekrio i reckon thats a lie

And u gonna make mistakes

Like the rest of us

[fossil thistle]

I make mistakes from poor gameplay

but I still learned all the mechanics + priority interrupts after a single run

Hunter/WW/Rsham group and they had 9 interrupts combined by 3rd boss

😢

[slow saddle]

But that is 100% poor gameplay

Not, that they dont know

[fossil thistle]

Well it can be 50/50 really

Knowledge or gameplay idk

Was rough. it was only an8

[next token]

Has anyone done or tried HM DOTI? How hard is it?

[fossil thistle]

@next token on the PTR first boss had 94m hp

[icy widget]

boys

[sacred zodiac]

ok but you can toss any decent player in a brand new key and they'll come out with a good amt of kicks

[fossil thistle]

Which is like a +6/7?

[fossil thistle]

This

even if they aren't priority interrupts, you should still have more then 9 lol

[slow saddle]

Ok. Mr super lucky

[sacred zodiac]

or they just didnt care at all

[minor gust]

I bet a lot of casual players have gotten lazy due to vdh carrying kicks hard

[slow saddle]

Ofc

And df dungeon trash id waasay harder

[next token]

So it should be quite easy to do? Is it already open?

[slow saddle]

Then most other dungeons

[fossil thistle]

it is, haven't tried it

I will be on monday though after basically 'loot capping' for the week

[next token]

Just wondering because there literally not 1 video on youtube for DOTI HM.

[sage badge]

FoB+Cleave dream is alive

[sharp wyvern]

until other classes get 4p

[sage badge]

I don't even have 4p

[fossil thistle]

Hardmode has been around since 10.1.5? There should be guides

[fossil thistle]

I want 4 pc

😦

Aug buff diff though 👀 i won't lie

[sage badge]

WW+slam counts for 8.5% of my damage

[next token]

Old guides for sure but no new footage from the Season.. So i was quite sure its either not open or way overtuned.

[wheat zephyr]

does mastery have higher value in aoe

[fossil thistle]

Zoinks

@next token Mechanics will be the same. HM drops heroic gear so it'll be tuned around a 7, which is equiv to M+ hero gear

[gaunt owl]

you made the number go up now we are doomed !

[next token]

Thats what i was hoping, thanks bud!

[sacred zodiac]

deswind losing at operation sandbag

[sage badge]

It's up to you now

[finite mantle]

he must be eliminated

[gaunt owl]

Deswind the only man to run FoB

[sage badge]

I'm a FoB enjoyer

[pine mauve]

hi is there a way to get fyralath in s4?
i didnt play warr s3

[gaunt owl]

yep kill Fyrakk

and pray for RNG loot gamba

[outer yew]

how many crests and flight stones do we need to save for lego upgrade on tues?

[viscid meteor]

Yo idk if this is the right channel for it, just looking for some pointers. Havent played arms in a while, is this ish good breakdown for m+ (played algeth'ar) or do u guys see some priority issues?

[olive nest]

40,000

[viscid meteor]

Very very rusty at arms so any pointers would be amazing

[olive nest]

press mortal strike

A lot

[gaunt owl]

you dont need to save, if you loot a weapon send them

the lego upgrade wont cost you crest to have it on same ilvl as your current weapon

[viscid meteor]

So in aoe i should just smack MS much more than i am already?

[olive nest]

cleave/op

[viscid meteor]

In aoe i do only use cleave and overpower and when the pack reaches a certain hp/size i mix in execute and MS

[gaunt owl]

its number of target that decide this

and if you have SS up or not

at 5 target you Cleave

MS with SS til 4 target

[viscid meteor]

Around 3-4 targets left i prio MS a lot more

Is it viable to press cleave once in a while to reapply deep wounds on 4 targets?

[gaunt owl]

you should in practice

3 target and SS down Cleave do more dmg than MS

[viscid meteor]

Alright tyvm i will keep all this in mind

cheers for the pointers!

[strong tendon]

is it worth running cleave without new 2 or 4 piece? just last season 4 piece

[gaunt owl]

you can

[viscid meteor]

I think someone earlier said yes if u can go 2p 2p with cleave

[gaunt owl]

i did one dungeon with Cleave for funsies its ok

[steep osprey]

got hc axe from raszageth

[gaunt owl]

you just dont have the nice bonus from it

[viscid meteor]

yeah it felt good in the dung i did tbh

[steep osprey]

[viscid meteor]

Big thick dps

[short spear]

i hate having to add cleave to arms. makes the spec feel worse

[steep osprey]

why

[short spear]

idk, i always viewed arms as clunky. adding more stuff to it doesnt help my view of it

[gaunt owl]

button bloat is unreal

[steep osprey]

arms needs better animation

[remote talon]

cleave is just an awkward ability given the way it competes with other things you could do... I particularly don't like that it's yet another thing to push that doesn't work with sweeping strikes

[short spear]

i would jsut stick with fury because i think its got a better design to it but its sounding like arms is just gonna be way too good for keys

[remote talon]

should just be a passive that just adds some separate frontal cleave to MS

[short spear]

although, once i get used to it, if arms doesnt become more enjoyable im just gonna take the dps loss and go back to fury

for me personally

im just assuming im being annoyed because im not familiar with the spec since i played fury for so long

[bronze nest]

only you Des 😛

[sage badge]

It's pretty good in aoe

[halcyon breach]

I tried it in a RLP

But I forgot to talent cleave

gg

[sage badge]

[halcyon breach]

I'll give it another chance in AA

[pallid jungle]

it ist good to craft lariat ?

like at this point or its somethig better to craft

[short spear]

i do have one question about cleave. do you spam it in aoe or just use it to get the deep wounds on everyone

and is sweeping strikes ms better than multitarget cleave

so 2 questiosn actually

[halcyon breach]

You MS up at up to 2 targets without SS active, at up to 4 targets with SS active, otherwise you just alternate WW (if SoS) > Cleave > OP

Of course, if you have a high priority target you just ignore the target count and keep MS'ing said target down

[short spear]

hm

would arms be stronger than fury even without cleave

[steep osprey]

i'd say so

Btw I notice CLeave also makes you deal way more damage with DW

since it's permanent

[candid pecan]

Only got 1 tier from raid, sitting on 3 piece until wednesday

[halcyon breach]

Funny how that works

[steep osprey]

feels like bfa DW

slightly

[steep osprey]

I don't even have a single one

well, technically i have one from Curve

acquiring tier is a meme

catalyst weekly

[ebon zealot]

when I am low on rage and can't use mortal strike, is it the correct play to use my second overpower charge?

[wispy kettle]

in that moment yes but the real answer is go back in time and don't overspend to put yourself in that situation

[trail spindle]

Is there a reason every guide says to put BSL on Torc or is it fine to put it on signet my ring are in more need of an upgrade

[ebon zealot]

ty

[halcyon breach]

You wont be using crafted rings this season

Due to the special rings from Eranog and Broodkeeper

[trail spindle]

Gotcha ty

[raven ivy]

you cant stop me

[halcyon breach]

pop off king

[raven ivy]

Gonna walk into m+ with honor rings at 454 ilvl

[wispy kettle]

not having a flavor pocket for a few weeks feels real bad

my ring pop

[finite ginkgo]

how high is maxl egy guys?

[steep osprey]

528?

[violet steeple]

535

[frozen bramble]

Double BSL or Allied wrists and BSL?

[hazy flower]

Either is fine, allied is safe choice for raid

Also if the bug is still there then I’d go single bsl (sometimes even tho you have 2, you get buff from 1)

[frozen bramble]

If you go for two, what're the slots? Neck and ?

[hazy flower]

Probably a ring

Or wrists

[smoky kayak]

wrist, easy swap, or boots if you wanna min/max sockets

don't do ring unless you're fine recrafting, since you eventually want the vault rings anyway

[hazy flower]

I guess I have the privilege of jc

Privilege and a curse, I want alchemy and engi but im too far into my 2 proffs

[smoky kayak]

recrafting is pretty easy this season since there's so much gear availability, but its still an early impact on crest economy

personally I'd recommend Vers wrist all the way around though

[raven nymph]

Just need to take dmg, like falling from your mount if it ever happens.

[sage badge]

Halls +10, fobbing it up

[frigid lava]

god damn... first week is rough

so many idiots

can't tell ppl belong in +0 or +10

[sage badge]

I like this breakdown. Buttons are meaningful

[wispy kettle]

arms owns

[balmy swallow]

probs a real dumb question but no reason to talent into cleave without the current 2/4p right? also is 2p/2p more "consistent" for a lack of better term than last season 4p in m+?

[wispy kettle]

I gotta enjoy it while it lasts

[raven ivy]

Asking for a friend here because I know everything, did they increase drop rates of leggo in this patch?

[dire hinge]

they buffed it at the end of last patch, but they carry over to this season

[raven ivy]

sick

[empty sluice]

keep s3 4p until u get new 4p

[dire hinge]

No Ruths?

[cursive steeple]

I got a 506 hero track weap, it’s def worth to spend at least 45 wryms to upgrade it right?

Thinking what else I would need my wryms for

[gloomy anvil]

I would hold Wyrms and Aspects for next week to upgrade the Legendary

But then again cap will rise next week but I just personally want to upgrade it allt he way instantly

[raven nymph]

If you spend on a 2H weapon, you don’t need to respend them on the lego upgrade

[copper swan]

could someone tell me what is a BSL neck

[dire hinge]

crafted neck with the "Blue Silken Lining" embelishment

[copper swan]

oh ok thank you

[gloomy anvil]

Oh true, because Arms only uses 1 weapon right?

[dire hinge]

correct yeah, only thing you'd "lose" is the flightstones.

[worldly kernel]

Grabbed a hero track incarnate just to be replaced by leggo next week 🙂

[quick cargo]

what's best to upgrade with wyrm ? ring/neck or waist/wrist/hand ?

weapon already max mythic

[frigid lava]

This season... u need +8 for mythic level vault?

[sour forge]

Yes

[bronze loom]

stats weight haste = crit still same?

[dire hinge]

stat weights should be avoided, just sim as you go for upgrades, but eventually haste should be our higher stat with our full gear

[bronze loom]

i asked because of new gems for neck

[strange perch]

Most of the tine i use stat weights to see what weapon rune i use

[dire hinge]

for sure, both of those are sim questions based on the gear you currently have though

[smoky kayak]

crit/haste is a good bet; verse can push above, but you can always just adjust gems/enchants or recraft stats pretty easily as well

[opaque citrus]

You can top gear sim gems

[bronze loom]

true

[opaque citrus]

It’s hard to go wrong with crit/haste as a default, especially if you ever offspec prot

[proper moth]

Definitely sim yourself, sims are telling me to ignore crit and haste and stack vers/mas my crit is at 33% and haste at 37%

[glacial moat]

Hello arms bros, I got a beacon from my timewalking chest, when do I actually want to use it though? 🤔 do i just rip it as you pull or

[lone imp]

Like Lego, you use them deals outside of cooldowns

[opaque citrus]

What about megablox

[lone imp]

[tacit mist]

I have a question fellow arms warriors. In a 4 target scenario with SS up do we use both OP charges before using MS or we MS on cd ?

The diffrence is probably minimal, I was just curious

[olive nest]

Over grown ancient xD

easy pad

ethical dpsr

[opaque citrus]

Cooked

[clever ore]

whats the first bullion buy for arms if I dont have leggo (sadge me)

[gaunt owl]

get lego first

[clever ore]

noone runs amir currently

[gaunt owl]

can still try to loot it this week dont forgor

[sacred zodiac]

check again on weekend or reset day

there were loads on wed eu

[clever ore]

but that wont help me this week 😄 and my question still remains

[sacred zodiac]

i mean it will cause the weekend has not happened yet

[clever ore]

wont be available this weekend sadly

[sacred zodiac]

fair

can sim and see how ashkandur compares to the next best choices according to that purchase prio thats pinned here somewhere

although buying ashkandur is like actually garbage in comparison to just getting leggo in like 5 weeks

[clever ore]

he question is, if its worth getting ashkandur when I will (hopefully) at latest mid season

will get legendary*

in the meantime I could hope for M+/Raid weapon to drop

[sacred zodiac]

short term ye mid-long term no 2 wasted bullions lmao

depends how you value it

[dire hinge]

About half way down the page there’s a whole section on Bullion priority for you ✌️
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/dragonflight-season-4

[smoky kayak]

So this is an interesting question; since you don't have lego Ashkandur is definitely an option

[clever ore]

but wowhead seems to be a bit off, e.g they recommend wrist embellishemt while every top tier war player on yt recommends 2 shadowflame embellishments

[smoky kayak]

though I'm not sure I'd want to spend Bullion on it, since eventually you would like to get the axe

[nimble basin]

Ah can catalyst for 4th piece.. but knowing it's not really smart too before reset

[smoky kayak]

lmfao, I can't catch a break

• Vers wrist is universally good for Arms, but obviously you can only have one of them
• for your other slot, SF is the safe/consistent option, BSL is a more RNG option that has the potential to perform better, but can also fall flat

[nimble basin]

but wanting to try new setttt

[gaunt owl]

@clever ore dont look youtube guides

[clever ore]

so top world M+ players are not trustfull sources?

[slow saddle]

Versa = defense

[gaunt owl]

who is top world mplussers ?

[slow saddle]

Critcake uses versa😅

Biz

[gaunt owl]

and if they do 2 SF for m+

its not really the one to follow

[lost zodiac]

There’s very little argument for 2SF in keys. The slight ST boost isn’t worth losing BSL for aoe or vers for defensiveness

The argument for 2 SF is you prefer raid and don’t have extra sparks