arms

[reef glade]

aside from having 4pc and like 1 real item out of raid

kinda unlucky as fuck

like 10 m+ in a row with no loot

its pretty cringe

reppin this

[minor gust]

im 3/4 for tier and dont raid again till Sunday its big F

[raven nymph]

Complaining about lootwith 4pc and 500 equipped ilvl 3 days in. Smhmh.

[reef glade]

tossed augury for normal rumbling ruby lol

idk augury kinda mid it seems for arms

imagine like the 1k free strength from that ruby maybe a little better

[raven nymph]

Just needs to high roll

[reef glade]

tru!

[raven nymph]

Hoping for 4pc tonight.

[zenith warren]

our raid leader said 'pass on tier' but some people did greed and one guy forgot to press anything and he (RL) got 3 heroic omni tokens to his mailbox - non tradable

top kek

[reef glade]

i shouldve held off on saying i want normal tier

[olive nest]

Banned

[reef glade]

since i pmuch wouldve been defaulted heroic tier

but eh

you live you learn

[raven nymph]

Nah. Get it now and hope for higher from vault

[inland quest]

how much dps in % we gain with the new 4p

same ilvl

do u have a sim for it ?

single target

[strange perch]

No idea for same ilvl

But i went from 253k to 305k with 4p ans 522 wep

[ember glen]

Best first craft is wrists?

[strange perch]

Id sayfor prog and m+

[fringe moon]

is it going to take a spark to level up the lego past 502?

[strange perch]

Why would it

[reef glade]

it takes crests

[dire hinge]

nope, just a 2x Bullion item you get from a vendor, then a bunch of crests

[reef glade]

like upgrading a normal weapon

[fringe moon]

k cool

[strange perch]

Its gonna take a fuck ton of flightstones

[reef glade]

yea over 2k probably

why its decent to upgrade weapon now

[dire hinge]

3k ish?

[reef glade]

if u have a good one

amybe like 2500 idk

350 per level

like i dropped 1750 to take heroic qalashi weapon to 522

[calm hollow]

hold my beer next week

[reef glade]

now dont gotta worry about insta sending leggo

[hollow axle]

Ruby Whelp Shell dont appear on details?

[ember glen]

I was wondering the same thing plus it barely procs tho

[slow saddle]

TF

i got nothing

[ember glen]

unless u train

[slow saddle]

done normal-hc - and like 12 keys... so far ive gotten 4 bad trinkets and 1 leg part ^_^

i dont think ive ever been this unlucky 😄

[ember glen]

same tbh just less keys

its pain

[slow saddle]

also mainly coz my guild decided its on roll

so some ppl just fuckin got lucky and got 4

coz we dont care for gearing this season

so im 491. and best geared who has done same work is 507

^_^

[hollow axle]

You have to train the Whelp at full stacks? 6?

[slow saddle]

dno i quit that trinket

[astral yarrow]

It takes so fucking long to train that thing

Hard skip

[hollow axle]

hmm

Good non raid trinkets?

[slow saddle]

also so sad that u cant use stormeaters boon and just bladestorm out of it 😛

well

[hollow axle]

Iam sitting on Irideus

[dire hinge]

if you do want to train it, check the description here
https://www.wowhead.com/item=193757/ruby-whelp-shell

[hollow axle]

+whelkp

[astral yarrow]

Puzzle box and some stat stick

[slow saddle]

puzzlebox +

[dire hinge]

Irrdius trinket is very good yeah

[slow saddle]

its not very good

unless u play 2 x bladestorm i reckon

[hollow axle]

That one from BH

[astral yarrow]

It’s pretty good regardless

It’s from the trash dungeon below the raid

[slow saddle]

[Frenzying Signoll Flare] ?

[hollow axle]

yeah

Flare

Any good?

[slow saddle]

doubt

[astral yarrow]

That one is usually meh. It’s a pure st trinket on top of that

[slow saddle]

trampepling hooves here and stormeaters boon

though the boon as killed me a couple of times lately

😄

[ember glen]

i got one im training but not using still until fully trained

[astral yarrow]

I was a very unethical man with boon on Dathea today

[hollow axle]

hmm

[ember glen]

train it full aoe it sucks st

[strange perch]

look upon me and weep

[reef glade]

actually getting loot from m+

cant be me

[dire hinge]

me getting only trinkets

it's fine i didn't need other gear

[astral yarrow]

That was me day 1 as well. Terros, Dathea and rasz trinket

[minor gust]

only duplicates for me

[eager osprey]

is it worth using 522weapon over legy in dungeons? simms higher but feels like a trap seeing how much legy effect does

[teal fossil]

could try simming multi target

[manic torrent]

whats arm's go-to talents for low keys

[teal fossil]

i would use ilevel

[manic torrent]

currently 477 atm

[teal fossil]

play whatever you want

[manic torrent]

ohh

[eager osprey]

did dungeon slice it sims higher 11500 but as i said seeing how much effect does im not sure

[zenith warren]

that storm eaters boon active is crazy, imagine planting yourself for 10sec

[teal fossil]

weapon dps is your best stat

and ilevel gives a lot of those

[astral yarrow]

It’ll kill nearly whenever you press it on Terros if you are the slightest unlucky

[reef glade]

almost 30 ilvls higher yea its def better

[zenith warren]

it was 8k dps diff in my sim

you wil need to upgrade leggo anyway so it's worth spending crests on

[calm hollow]

528 was 20k up for me

on ST

[fossil thistle]

Just single target,s orry

[iron spruce]

what are you guys crafting 1st ID? vers wrists?

[dire hinge]

yuppers, vers wrists here

[cursive sun]

i have been doing keys

all day

and only been outdpsed by one destro lock

arms is pumpinggggggggggg

[dire hinge]

[outer ferry]

U are pumping in low keys 😂

In high keys first aoe dmg will kill you

Arms sucks on deff

[robust ridge]

That's false, but ok

[outer ferry]

Bro

You can’t do high keys with arms

[robust ridge]

People were doing high keys last season with Arms, or was that an illusion

[astral yarrow]

People were doing +31s last season as arms

[robust ridge]

Some of the shit people write in here is so outlandish

[outer ferry]

If 25 is high for you then delete game

[robust ridge]

Someone will literally be driving a red car and they'll say 'red cars don't exist'

[wind flicker]

Quite some people did high keys as arms

[robust ridge]

Who said 25 dude, you?

[outer ferry]

Yeah i can count them on my fingers

[wind flicker]

Doesnt mean they're not there 😄

[minor gust]

sounds like skill issue

press IP and D stance more

[outer ferry]

No sound like party composition

[latent moss]

bait used to be believable

[outer ferry]

But remain at 25 keys

[astral yarrow]

🤡

[wind flicker]

Well, i didnt really play arms much last season and was able to easily do above 25 with arms

Crit did 32 as arms even i believe

[outer ferry]

Congrats on doing 27 brh

Or ad

[wind flicker]

Well feel free to look me up 🙂

[outer ferry]

Just fk Off

[minor gust]

[astral yarrow]

#fury is leaking

[wind flicker]

Well that escalated quickly

[astral yarrow]

The man came with an agenda

Don’t try to change their world view

[minor gust]

his mom said she wasnt gonna get mcdonalds for dinner so he took his anger out on us

[wind flicker]

Imagine if someone like that plays SP, they'll say u cant do above 20's 😂

[astral yarrow]

Weren’t every spec represented above +30

[slow saddle]

Even deva evoker?

[astral yarrow]

Pretty sure sanghelios played dev keys

[wind flicker]

Dogyy did too

[bronze nest]

@wind flicker are you 4set yet? xD

[sour forge]

Imagine trying to trash talk one of the few YouTube people in here

As if their runs aren’t up for display

[bronze nest]

I don't , lol

I'm genuinely asking

[calm hollow]

Dude probably a green parser in LFR, not even worth it

[bronze nest]

Ah you talking for the guy

[astral yarrow]

I imagine it’s one of the people that hit plat in league and feel like they basically are challenger

[calm hollow]

"i can be challenger, i just dont have time for it"

yeah, sure

[minor gust]

I would be challenger if it werent for my shit teamates

[proper moth]

Sounds like my friends that are in gold who think they are LCS players

[calm hollow]

ah man so true, they are always feeding

[strange perch]

anyone mess around with SKS?

[bronze nest]

He really said arms couldn't do high keys?

Was this guy delulu?

[sour forge]

I think sks is poopy for s4

Someone correct me if I’m wrong though

[bronze nest]

He isn't aware of Deswind? 🤣🤣

[proper moth]

Set bonus doesn’t really incentivize it

[calm hollow]

he was probably high on something

[astral yarrow]

Not since the week after they changed it

[sour forge]

Ye s3 was its best bet I think

[minor gust]

To many points to invest into SKS

to many things we want

[astral yarrow]

Too much point investment for the damage nerf it took

The change was a direct nerf, but a gameplay “buff”. I hoped the opportunity cost gain from not having to reapply bleeds again was enough to make it decent

It was not

It actually was by “far” (1400) ahead of standard build in a standard sim by the end of s2

[bronze nest]

SkS was only used on S1

[wind flicker]

I'm not, i have not received a single raid item, #teamunlucky

[astral yarrow]

Nah, we played it in late s2 as well

Sarri started making apl optimizations for it which was actually what got me into doing apl things as well

I ended up having it well above the standard build

[bronze nest]

And whatever weird experimental thing Niiol was doing

[hazy flower]

Affli

And I think thats the only spec

Even feral got boosted

[astral yarrow]

Amazing that some of the diehards don’t do it on aff

[wind flicker]

I think there are quite a few now are there not?

[hazy flower]

So about affli

[wind flicker]

Definitely growing i'd say

[hazy flower]

Its apparently not only behind other 2 specs (obv) but its also incredibly shit to play in keys I heard

Because of seed of corruption or something idk some long cast

[astral yarrow]

It’s has felt shit since SL

[sour forge]

Idk you seem to be the most active

[astral yarrow]

3 second base cast on that shit

[hazy flower]

Fyralath

Pepega

[astral yarrow]

At least we are not chain casting it xD

Tww warrior in shambles

[hazy flower]

Yeah so not only less dps but also cringe gameplay

dev is at least pretty strong or was and fun I heard

[astral yarrow]

Utility toolkit for dragons is just so good regardless of the spec

[hazy flower]

Other than that its probably feral thats super shit

The only thing it has above boomie is its tankier, thats it

Literally negative damage

Maybe some prio or st but 0 overall

Not even exceptional st

Just decent i’d say

[rare kite]

aug has that healer cast while moving thing and extra range, is that the only extra thing they have over the other lizard specs?

[hazy flower]

Hp buff

Passively

[rare kite]

oh ye

[hazy flower]

• buff when you use scales

Or well speed

But yeah dragons have insane utility

[astral yarrow]

Push back and knock up as racials

[hazy flower]

Base bleed dispel

[astral yarrow]

Non dr cc is insane

[hazy flower]

Longer other peoples cc

#arms message

What is this

Pepega moment

[astral yarrow]

💀

[hazy flower]

Lil bro got carried on his mage doing 140k st or something and thinks hes the shit

[bronze nest]

Sooo

BSL or shadow flame boots

Raid focus

[astral yarrow]

BSL if you feel like you are competent at using defensives

[wind flicker]

Hehe

[astral yarrow]

SF if you don’t want to actively play for your embellishment

Or just vers bracers

[bronze nest]

Companion bracers is standard

I meant for other

[astral yarrow]

Same answer

[wind flicker]

Are u chasing top parses tayr?

[bronze nest]

We already discussed it yesterday mate

BSL is easy to loae

Lose

I am just wondering what you guys do

[wind flicker]

I crafted companion wrists, but i play m+ mostly

[astral yarrow]

On sennarth it’s hard to get value on but it gets better with more gear and better IP/SR/def stance/DBTS usage

[bronze nest]

Too many buttons

[hazy flower]

Ask your fellow disc priest to put you on focus

[astral yarrow]

As in: our rogue had 25% uptime on our sennarth kill, but that icey ground was ticking like 80k

[hazy flower]

🤓

[bronze nest]

We both know this won't happen XD

[fringe moon]

anybody else using the arrowhead trinket?

[astral yarrow]

Imma need that pala beacon

[fringe moon]

outside of personal sims, I can't find it anywhere else

[last dome]

does mirror cook sims to make sure that haste isnt the highest stat

[hazy flower]

I never get it but im gonna start asking for it

[fringe moon]

so far I'm getting roughly a 40% uptime on +1226 mastery

[astral yarrow]

It does not, but it’ll regem for you if it’s close and you given the sim it as an option

Regardless of which stat it gets, you are getting heavily DR’d on it

[last dome]

i feel like haste is getting weighed like shit when i sim with it pushing me down below 30% just wanting me to stack mast crit

i feel like im going crazy because i like haste

[strange perch]

Nohkud trinket does so much damage

[calm hollow]

dont worry, mine says fuck crit and go haste and the rest

(this is unbuffed)

[last dome]

un buffed too and haste is a meme for me

[calm hollow]

might be because of a trinket or something

[last dome]

idk if i wana listen to the sims tbh

i think so too\

[calm hollow]

sandglass gives even more haste for me tho

[last dome]

lucky you >.>

[calm hollow]

but i dont really care about it that much now, i change items every few hours, reset will be brand new set too

[calm hollow]

ah that mirror does the haste thing probably

usually that fucks with it

[last dome]

im thinking so

[calm hollow]

also did you clear hard mega dung?

[unique patrol]

Keep Season 3 4pc or go 2pc Season 3 and 2pc Season 4?

[calm hollow]

we couldnt even kill Iridikron, lol

[calm hollow]

for m+ you can use 2/2, but for ST 4p is better

i would stay with 4p for m+ too honestly

[last dome]

just base mythic really

[dull siren]

BSL easy to lose still around 60-70% in m+ and if it’s above 35% on ST it has done more value.

Gonna be honest people shut down BSL, Are just gimping themselves.
There is 0 skill gap or special gameplay for BSL, It’s just to get better at the game and your uptime becomes better.

Best embellishment to track improvement.
As well as it just has the best value currently.
M+ it isn’t even close.
Raid 1% diff.

[calm hollow]

is it champ track? or hero?

[last dome]

only champ

[calm hollow]

ah i see, hard is hero

but its really fcking hard right now

we had to 2 tank bosses

[manic torrent]

is it worth going back to the other raid just to get 2 pc of the old tier

[calm hollow]

you cant mix them

[manic torrent]

oh

[calm hollow]

its a brand new set

[wind flicker]

@dull siren Just a genuine question, how do you know its easy to have around 60-70% in m+, what did u base this on? Because i dont see u running BSL

[calm hollow]

experience on his char

he is indeed running it, on his alt

[wind flicker]

I appreciate u answering but im asking tmy

[calm hollow]

well he will say the same, but okay i can respect that

[wind flicker]

I'd just like to know how you came to the BSL uptime conclusion and what logs or theories u based it on

Because all i've seen so far is the sims you guys made, but nothing to back it up. Now don't get me wrong, i'm not shit talking or anything. But i'd love to see something more than just words

[dull siren]

I have 3 warriors, Im running it in keys, Ive not had a single dungeon below 60% uptime.

Neither do I bother to try hard the +10s memeing around with friends.
I base it if the 30 keys I’ve done.

[wind flicker]

But have you done any testing for current season with BSL, because that is what im more interested in. Last season had very little random dmg compared to this season

[dull siren]

Easily managed and even if you go into a pack blow your load and then lose it.
It has had more value than other embellishment for that fight as you had it for your dump.
It’s easily maintained.

Telling people to go away from BSL is a huge mistake as it only provides positive play style experience learning how to adapt and take less damage.

?? I’m talking about current season

[calm hollow]

he meant this season he is grinding

[wind flicker]

My guy isnt doing 30's on day 2 of the patch mate

[dull siren]

I have 2 guilds and 1 weekly Mythic pug run, I play 3 warriors currently

[calm hollow]

30 keys, not level 30s

[robust ridge]

I think he meant, he's done 30 keys

[wind flicker]

Sounds contradictional to the i bother to try hard the +10's thats why im asking

[calm hollow]

10s are old 20s

[dull siren]

Current season is 10-12s around still whoever is pushing right now has fell down the stairs 1 or 2 many times.

There’s situations where it’s low uptime but 1 fight doesn’t justify to ignore an embellishment for a whole dungeon

[wind flicker]

Im aware thank you

[calm hollow]

most of the ppl dont do 10s, so yea, he is just chilling in 10s

[split magnet]

5s are old 15s, just want to contribute to the comversation

[dull siren]

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[minor gust]

[wind flicker]

So its based on your experience but do you have something to back up your experience by any chance?

[dull siren]

I can get up from bed and find a key on details

[signal juniper]

Is it worth swapping to 2 piece 2 piece for arms m+ or just keep 4 set until 4 set?

[wind flicker]

No need to get out of bed at all, just wondering if you have logs at all from the 30 test runs u did which made you decide to promote BSL

[proper moth]

We should make a pin regarding the set bonus thing

[split magnet]

what about it?

[manic torrent]

are you looking for someone to convince you to use bsl, whats your goal lol

[signal juniper]

yea i looked but diidnt seee anything

[proper moth]

Have a ton of people asking when to break season3 4p

[hexed saddle]

dont think we need a pin to tell people to sim their guy

[wind flicker]

I'm not, i'm just asking for proof behind the promoting of BSL all the time, which i havent seen anything of yet other than "trust me"

[proper moth]

Fair

[minor gust]

[split magnet]

was expecting it to be some sort of bug or idk lol

[manic torrent]

lol fair

if u dont trust other peoples grinds then chuck it on urself no?

[wind flicker]

Well usually when people promote something to be THIS good, there is some kind of proof backing it up, and since its getting widely promoted on a constant base i think its more than logical to ask for the proof behind it

[manic torrent]

u can look on logs search any warrior on it lol

[proper moth]

“Just trust me bro”

[wind flicker]

Doesnt mean that i think the idea is bad, i'd just like to go off a bit more than words

[calm hollow]

So if Archi pins something that he tested and links a picture, you believe it, but when someone else does it, it must be bullshit

[minor gust]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-popcorn-michael-jackson-gif-26271837

[wind flicker]

Well u'll see that u'd be wrong on that, and i've questioned him multiple times on certain things he has said on m+ aspect and i think @smoky kayak can confirm that for you too ^^

Doesnt mean i think they are wrong or the claims are bad, and imo its only a good thing to question things rather than to blindly follow

[calm hollow]

But What should Tmy do? Link you a log from each dungeon? I get your point on the other hand

We can always try out things

[wind flicker]

He doesn't need to do anything, i'm just asking if he has any logs of these dungeons where he tested it in which made him come to the conclusion to advertise BSL so widely

[calm hollow]

For me its enough to see his pictures of dungeons he ran with big uptime 😅

[wind flicker]

Pictures of dungeons with big uptime is a very limited view on things that have actually happened, and you see this very often that people tend to only speak on the best case scenario's conveniently leaving out the 15 tries it failed in. Now i'm not saying that is the case here, but it would still be very nice to see what dungeons made him choose to go down this path

[dull siren]

@wind flicker There isn't another embellishment outside vers wrists that bring any value in to Keys.
Lariat when you have full sockets, Might go up in value again.

BSL has reached a point where it's stat stick is 1k mastery.

You can easily test around with current gear vs +10's as well.
You are going to get more n more stronger going into the season.

M+10
Watcher Irideus = 53% Uptime
Gulping = 47% Uptime
Khajin = 4% Uptime
Primal = 70% Uptime
Overall = 66% Uptime

These uptimes are very good overall and there isn't a single embellishment that beats it.
You going into higher keys and higher keys.
Pushing, Isn't going to change the value much, If you use Spell Reflect on hits / Ignore Pain.
I took avoidable damage and I still managed to have a good uptime.

You asking for evidence of a embellishments value is like me asking for what research you had for your M+ guides or raid guides that you dropped before any sims were out or any in-depth research.
Should we blindly just have taken your word for it and the word you put out to the community?

Crafting Versa wrists already is a bad call for multiple people as you lose a socket + the items isn't more than 3k in value.
You'd be better off making SF Boots.

Imagine 1 = 4T, 1:30 duration. Same result. 2x BSL at 40% at top
Imagine 2 = The BSLs are different ilvls, but the results remain the same regardless for 1x SF + 1x BSL

You can easily sim the values with APLs that have been optimized by @sage badge
He's also doing some betteer updates to it.
For other builds.
All the APLs are up for grabs you can make your situation and see the values by sims.

And if you have issues managing it in M+, Then it's just to avoid taking avoidable damage.

[reef glade]

its just not fair

[opal folio]

Vers wrist is kinda inting when CR bracers exist imo

[halcyon haven]

skissue

[dusk oxide]

Sup guys. So, coming back to war now. Should I get ashkandur next week while I'm still farming fyralaak? (just one fyraak HC kill ATM)

I go straight for a trinket

[manic torrent]

ya

[calm hollow]

Wait, if you will play arms, I wouldnt waste it on ashkandur

[frozen bramble]

what m+ build are you running

[finite mantle]

[reef glade]

normal one

[frozen bramble]

ty

[sour forge]

I agree. We have so many 2h from dungeons this season that you can get while you wait for your 100% drop

[wind flicker]

I don't fully agree with your statement that key level will not impact the value much, as random damage scales up just as much making ignore pain not as much of a viable option to completely neglect dropping your BSL buff, sure spell reflect and ip will help with this, but key levels will most definitely impact this and you know this too. Besides that, there is a big difference with making a guide and advertising a certain embellishment to be a given best. I provided a guide as a way for people to understand the basics of the gamestyles coming into season 4, and I think its kind of a weird way for you to try and bash me here because i'm asking you for more than you simply given a source "trust me". It's great that you keep giving examples in the form of pictures, yet you know just as well as i do. That pictures don't do much in terms of actual scenario's. We can not see what you did, what pulls were done. What groups / dungeons you ran. But it seems quite clear to me that this is somewhat of a sensitive topic for you since you are trying to "bash" me on things I have done rather than having a good discussion about it. And since i doubt the logs will actually come. I think there isnt much point in continueing it either

[hard cobalt]

idk man I ran double BSL and never had issues on it with my aug. I can’t imagine fury is harder - idk about arms I’m OTP

[opal folio]

Weird gaslighting going on here

[hard cobalt]

Doesn’t BSL win at even 20% up time?

[opal folio]

Tmy never bashed you once

I don’t know fam, he gave you everything you asked for as if you’re entitled to it

[dull siren]

To be a given best?
It's literally the BEST.

All the data is here.
You didn't use any data, I have all the data to back things up.
You've said you disagree with BSL but haven't checked any data?
I've ran all the sims within the sheet going into this season and been with @gaunt owl and @astral yarrow doing them in-depth and tripple checked everything.

You didn't ask me for the information nicely I provided some numbers I've had as well as SimC values of the items.

[halcyon haven]

bro I legit looked this up to see if it was copypasta

[calm hollow]

[dull siren]

Even if you have a 25% Uptime of BSL, If you have BSL up going into pulls.
And get to blow your load it's ahead of any other embelish along side with vers wrists.

[halcyon haven]

there's some kind of psychic warfare goin on here

got ourselves a yapoff lol

[opal folio]

For what it’s worth, even Dan of Method recommends BSL above all else

[dull siren]

@analog granite 👍 xdd

[calm hollow]

The man himself

[halcyon haven]

arms warriors are nerds

[calm hollow]

Man I have to sleep, I hope this continous, I want to read some juicy things when I wake up 4 hours from now

[manic torrent]

must feel entitled for data i wonder wheres his data is tho xd

https://tenor.com/view/stephen-colbert-popcorn-3d-glasses-watching-eating-gif-17602628

[reef glade]

these boomer ass reaction gifs...

send a or something

[wind flicker]

Data for what? I'm not the one telling everyone to run BSL

[cobalt raven]

https://tenor.com/view/no-banana-here-meme-monkey-monkey-meme-monkey-riding-sheep-gif-18576091

[hot wraith]

https://i.redd.it/cdr241aiz1tc1.gif

[manic torrent]

but what makes you think we shouldnt?

[cobalt raven]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/526002852309762048/1111287543946821745/ezgif-4-6e8e986715.gif

[wind flicker]

Thats not even the convesation bud, i suggest you read back 🙂

[manic torrent]

brilliant so provide your data :)

[wind flicker]

Provide you data on me asking tmy for data?

xd

[manic torrent]

:D

[halcyon haven]

bro I aint payin $9.99 a month for emotes

[reef glade]

only need 2.99

[wind flicker]

I can count the messages if that counts?

[toxic slate]

Main content is M+, opinion rejected

[halcyon haven]

student discount?

[cobalt raven]

https://imgur.com/zfX5dwJ

[reef glade]

no just basic nitro

[manic torrent]

[viscid meteor]

If the sample size is one dungeon, then i wouldnt trust it very much.

[manic torrent]

there ya go hahaha

[halcyon haven]

damn didnt know basic nitro was 2.99

[wind flicker]

Exactly my point of why im asking for data, but yeah well, seems to not be too well taken

[viscid meteor]

I think you are doing well to ask for more data before someone says definitively that one thing is better than the other

But i do think it has the potential to be better

[dull siren]

The sample size isn't 1 dungeon.
I used the latest dungeon I've done.

You have data from sims as well.
The fact you are not reading the fact the sims are there as well.

[halcyon haven]

either way feelin too frugal rn

[wind flicker]

I think it could be too yes, thats why i said repeadetely that i'm not trying to shit talk the idea but just want something to back it up rather than screenshots and sims

[viscid meteor]

If sims were the complete and utter truth and nothing could deviate then yes

But as i said

It has the potential to be better

[dull siren]

The potiential for BSL is 3k+ DPS on ST if you manage to have it @ 70% uptime instead of 40%.

The M+ % increases is way more as mastery value just becomes more.
M+ Bosses it still has a relevant uptime.
Outside of some insane healing checks.
1 out of 4 bosses doesn't justify ditching the embelishment as some people has made as the argument.

It went up in 400 stats from 600 stat stick to 1k.
We are at a point in the expansion where secondary stats has more value than mainstats.
Same reason as why we go for 0 primary stat food.

[hard cobalt]

what data are we asking for? Are you asking for sims with lower uptime values?

[manic torrent]

his asking for logs to back the whole statement

[wind flicker]

I've asked for logs of his runs that got him to the conclusions

[dull siren]

I don't log my runs? Who logs m+

[wind flicker]

Yet all i've seen so far is sims, words of his experiences, and vague statements

So yes, i'm not convinced

[dull siren]

Vague?

[hard cobalt]

You don’t trust sims?

[viscid meteor]

Im not the one asking for data, im saying its wise to do so by Jeventes

[wind flicker]

I do not when it comes to m+ indeed

[hard cobalt]

jfc

[wind flicker]

Especially when it comes to uptime based on staying above 90% hp

[hard cobalt]

what is skyhold

[wind flicker]

In a scenario that can not be simulated properly

[ornate eagle]

Sir

[dull siren]

Well, Why don't you do any research Jeventes?
Last time I was in your stream you for example said
That extending Hurricane window with 2x bladestorms was a "minor increase"?
Where did you get that information from?

I don't log my keys.

You can literally see the values in % uptimes.
You can pick any % uptime you want.

[wind flicker]

Well, if you claim to be easily able to maintain 60-70% uptime in m+ i'd say u should probably start

[ornate eagle]

He literally gave every example possible

[reef glade]

he doesnt have to convince you lil bro 💀

both of you can keep doin your own things

[wind flicker]

See, once again your deflecting by trying to bash me

Mate im done with talking to you

[manic torrent]

lol

what more do you want

[reef glade]

[halcyon haven]

https://tenor.com/view/supa-hot-fire-gif-4972452

[dull siren]

How is it bashing you? I'm literally.
Pointing out things you've said and you are pointing out things I'm saying.

[opal folio]

Only he is allowed to do that you see

[reef glade]

🔥

[hard cobalt]

well it’s one thing to do your own thing, it’s another to give bad info to everyone

[wind flicker]

Yet i have done nothing but just question the guy.

[reef glade]

yea i mean idk reasonable enough to just state, "if you are good and reduce taking unnecessary damage you will see more success with blue silken lining, if you dont think u can do that dont make it"

[opal folio]

You applied a standard to him that you don’t seem to think matters when it comes to you

[hard cobalt]

Sure but the BSL threshold is actually very low…so “good and reducing damage” does not mean a lot in this context

[wind flicker]

I asked him for information, he is the one advertising BSL to be good. Not me

[reef glade]

yea i mean idk just cuz the information maybe doesnt apply to the majority of the people doesnt mean its just wrong, but even still like its not wrong there are 0 other aoe embellishments

[opal folio]

I’ve been here from the start of the convo and he literally gave you everything you asked for

[ornate eagle]

And he delivered that

[reef glade]

so like even 10% uptime on 1k more mastery is prolly more valuable than any other embel

[opal folio]

It’s also like 3 am in eu

[wind flicker]

Then u should read the part where i asked him for logs since the start

[opal folio]

He can send logs tomorrow if that’s what it takes

[dull siren]

I've answered every question with the information I am able to give you right now?
I'm not gonna log keys? I don't care for that?

I have delivered enough evidence and you can literally just go do M+ with your 486 craft with BSL and get the data back as well.
Fucking lmao.

[wind flicker]

I didnt ask him for screenshots or how his last key went in a written form

[ornate eagle]

"I choose to ignore 90% of your facts and focus on the 1 thing you can't deliver - therefor your argument is invalid"

Mate.

He gave all the numbers, and the required numbers for BSL to be a gain

If you can play better, you will get better results

If you get average results, it still delivers good numbers

[wind flicker]

I never said it was invalid, i asked him for logs which he still didnt provide. Once again suggest you to read

[ornate eagle]

Especially when it matters

Brother...

[finite mantle]

OK that’s lmao

[ornate eagle]

He literally says he doesn't have logs of his own

[manic torrent]

LMAO

[ornate eagle]

Like 30 times

[toxic slate]

Minigame mains

[halcyon haven]

Keyboard Warriors

[ornate eagle]

If you refuse to acknowledge anything else that has been expressed

Then this discussion is over

Simple as

[wind flicker]

Once again, suggest you to actually read the full conversation rather than mixing in at the end and making wrong conclusions

🙂

[ornate eagle]

I read everything from the start

[hard cobalt]

Is this a Carlo alt account

[ornate eagle]

This discussion is fruitless

[wind flicker]

Then u couldve also read the parts where i actually said that i dont claim him to be false at all but that i would like him to show logs to back it up, which he answered with written arguments rather than actually sending logs. Which made me ask again. blablabla u get the point

[ornate eagle]

Sure

But, ykno

[ornate eagle]

Sims

[dull siren]

I gave you data instead of logs because I don't have the logs? Since I'm not a M+ rat that log keys??

[wind flicker]

You cant sim m+ scenario's properly, especially when it comes to a health % uptime keep

[dull siren]

xdd

[covert badge]

you guys doing great, keep it up!

[wind flicker]

I'd be amazed if you disagree with that @ornate eagle

[ornate eagle]

I played enough keys, and healed keys to know, that your health is more often topped in ultra keys than in low keys

There are no rot fights

Your health is binary in keys

Dead or full hp

No in-between

[wind flicker]

That is just not even remotely true

[finite mantle]

[hard cobalt]

This should be pinned, lol

[cobalt raven]

I can

[finite mantle]

Noway

[dull siren]

Guys I wonder if the 25% BSL means that BSL is up for 100% of the time in that scenario?

or is the 30% = 90%

[ornate eagle]

Fo sho

[finite mantle]

Carlo moment

[reef glade]

not the carlo moment

😭

[halcyon haven]

trust me this man has a PhD in DPS

[dull siren]

You can literally, Put what % you want for the situation.
We've went through the %'s and seen that BSL is ahead even @ 25%.
I don't get how you are arguing this point.

400 keys in 1 season

shows

[fossil dagger]

[halcyon haven]

@lapis idol I summon thee

[hard cobalt]

Can you even time a key if you have 25% BSL uptime as far as not having healing that bad?

[finite mantle]

Cringe

[hard cobalt]

or standing in that much fire

[dull siren]

no i died because low %

uptime

[cobalt raven]

Its grievous week

[covert badge]

ITS PUSH WEEK

[cobalt raven]

Get pushed out of ZONE FOCUS

[reef glade]

tbh if anything convo makes me more convinced to make second embell bsl

i was like "do i care enough"

but 1k more mastery

for any amount of time

[ornate eagle]

Ya

[covert badge]

nah honestly just play lariat with 4 sockets

its good trust

[reef glade]

better than stinky sf doing like .5% dmg

[covert badge]

i felt it

[ornate eagle]

I was just set on upgrading my old embells

Ngl

[cobalt raven]

I play healing darts cause im a nice guy

[ornate eagle]

But that it is very convincing

Well tbf rn im hard playing my healers instead

[smoky kayak]

idk what we're talking about

[ornate eagle]

Prevoker is Hella fun

[dull siren]

Omega dented convo.
I go sleep it's 4am gn gn gn

[ornate eagle]

Ya same

[halcyon haven]

@wind flicker was talking about how awesome I am

[reef glade]

[smoky kayak]

is it arguing over BSL again? I feel like the pins/guides have been pretty clear

• it's not always consistent, if you wanna use it, if you want something more consistent don't

[halcyon haven]

and I was like

"True!!!"

[cobalt raven]

Bsl is a solid c- tier embelishment

[smoky kayak]

I don't really know what else to say, but I don't really think it requires intense arguments either

• if you're a BSL enjoyer, awesome
• if you're not, cool

I guarantee nobody you group with actually gives a shit about what embellishment you use

[halcyon haven]

based

[smoky kayak]

nor do they probably even look
nor is it going to have any impact on your ability to competently complete a dungeon of literally any level

[ornate eagle]

At the end of the day embellishs are literally just 1% things at best

[lapis idol]

what

im here

whats a haps

[halcyon haven]

argue on my behalf

on how Im cool and sexy

[ornate eagle]

The bad juju

[lapis idol]

ive ALWAYS said DrGonzo is pog and hot AF irl

[halcyon haven]

True!!!!

[lapis idol]

yo i like ur twitter posts sometimes big sexy

[smoky kayak]

real and true

Anywhoo, I'm raiding so I don't have time to look over the convo right now, so lemme just make a general blanket statement

piggybacking off my first that embellishments are a really, really minor thing

[halcyon haven]

u shouldve ended it with "👉 👈"

[smoky kayak]

• I don't care if you're a BSL enjoyer, I don't care if you're not
• whether you think it's better/worse/smarter/skillier/or dumb
  It's not something that deserves a heated argument, so everyone take a chill pill and respect that some people might have different ideas or opinions and leave it at that

[lapis idol]

im just here cuz i was pinged

[minor gust]

Rest now Carlo its over

[lapis idol]

im wiping on terros w/ an alt guild its pretty sick

[minor gust]

Sennarth is next 🙂

[lapis idol]

i actually like sennarth

terros has no adds

Deadge

[minor gust]

liking sennarth is a crime sir

[lapis idol]

leggo works against grip

[viscid meteor]

My guildmaster had a mental breakdown because of sennarth

Started yelling at all the bojos who fell down constantly

Loved vault mythic progress

[minor gust]

Kurog owns

how I missed that boss

[viscid meteor]

True and real

as arms that fight was so much fun to progress

[rare kite]

pretty fun as a warrior ngl. sliding around, 2 target cleave, cancelling the pull with leap and an execute phase

[minor gust]

very fun arms fight

add gets low start cleaving executes

so much fun

[rare kite]

I like sennarth so much, but i think it's a fight where the spec decides your enjoyment a shit ton

can't imagine being a priest or something like that on sennarth

[minor gust]

the ice just makes me lose my mind I dont like it

[chrome flint]

At 5 targets should 1 used MS or cleave if SS is active ?

[frozen ermine]

arms bros how are we feeling about tww

[minor gust]

at 5 targets u press cleave

[minor gust]

to early ask again closer to release

[hexed saddle]

bad

also #1230008337517514772

[frozen ermine]

oh, i didnt notice those channels

thanks

[rare kite]

well in that channel there's just a dude yapping about nothing

[minor gust]

crackhead infiltration

[chrome flint]

Ty and should I prioritize getting 2 stacks by pressing overpower or cleave whenever off CD (during SS)

[minor gust]

no dont worry about OP stacks

[smoky kayak]

Sennarth big fun as S3 Furyf

[minor gust]

look aslong as the ice exists that fight will never be fun

[rare kite]

do you not enjoy sliding around on the ice? i think it's kinda fun

[minor gust]

I would constantly get the bug where u just keep spinning and cant move

[smoky kayak]

Really? that's the most fun part for me lol

I love the ice skating

[minor gust]

I had to switch to strafe keys

[rare kite]

oh wtf that's a thing?

[smoky kayak]

haven't seen that one, but I do have a fantastic clip of Fyr'alath charging me all the way to the edge of the 3rd rock

falling off as it ends

and leaping back on

[lapis idol]

poggers

share that clip

[minor gust]

lmao thats good

[lapis idol]

that might be the coolest thing youve ever said or done

[minor gust]

I always made sure to use lego in melee

so the charge didnt fuck me in anyway

[smoky kayak]

it's just that rock has weird pathing and tries to take you "closer" to her

if you're further to the side away from the rock it won't happen, but sometimes it'll still jump you to the edge of the ice, which gets sketchy

[viscid meteor]

We did sennarth on normal (just for tier) and it scared the absolute life out of me when i used fyr'alath and went to the edge

[lapis idol]

i used leggo charge on fyrakk to gap close

[sour forge]

Having sennarth jump to the top when you’re only climbing the 2nd flight of stairs is hilarious

[rare kite]

link?

[lapis idol]

im looking forward to mythic dathea, getting knocked off platform and using leggo charge to back to boss

[viscid meteor]

Trueeee

[smoky kayak]

the best part is right after my RL says "do not axe here!"

[rare kite]

Holy moly

[lapis idol]

thats sick

[viscid meteor]

The reaction though

[lapis idol]

i cant believe it charged u up the spike

thats kinda sus

[dense roost]

lmao

[lapis idol]

sussy baka

[smoky kayak]

I had another where it actually took me to the very tip of the spike

[viscid meteor]

I mean kinda cinematic that he charges up a rock to fight the big spider boss

[lapis idol]

i need to try to replicate this

[smoky kayak]

but yeah, don't use the axe there if you want to live lmao

[lapis idol]

in a raid environment

[minor gust]

oh yeah thats the danger rock

[lapis idol]

on a good pull

[viscid meteor]

I mean you survived, just gotta leap and panic

and we will all survive

[lapis idol]

u almost need to have @cursor for heroic leap

having leap on @ cursor has also gotten me killed a thousand times

[viscid meteor]

Whaaat

[lapis idol]

to react that fast

[viscid meteor]

I would have died way more having to click it

Like first press my keybinding

then click

@cursor just feels a lot better

Saved me many times

[lapis idol]

i have to 2nd guess my shit if its on @ cursor bro i wil do horrible shit

[halcyon haven]

I do not cursor

[smoky kayak]

I actually have 2 leap keybinds

• one is @cursor for the quick leaps
• and the other is a regular click function for those leaps you really wanna aim & time well

[lapis idol]

oh thats smart

i use C for leap maybe shift c for hard leap and C for QL

[viscid meteor]

I just zug my leaps and hope i love

live*

[lapis idol]

idk the extra clicks makes me think it more personally idk if i can handle the quick leap im super degen w/ it

[smoky kayak]

my quick one is on my mouse, and my slow one is a shift keybind

[lapis idol]

like mouse button 6 or some shit

[minor gust]

even with a cursor WA I lose track of my cursor so theres been plenty of funny leap moments

[viscid meteor]

Okay actually true

Maybe zugging isnt that good always

Sometimes on fyrakk progress when i had a leap in one specific section i always used, i'd lose my cursor and have to spend a second finding it which meant i couldnt leap with boss

[smoky kayak]

big same

one of my biggest weaknesses lol

that and being a Fury enjoyer

[quiet ravine]

will arms be better than fury this season?

[hexed saddle]

yeah

[surreal wigeon]

fury buff when?>

[old urchin]

Next expansion

[surreal wigeon]

pretty much

i jsut cant bring myself to play arms ive tried to force it afew times but just isn't 4 me

[vague nova]

when simming droptemizor do yall use dslice or 5 target as arms?

[rare kite]

1 target patchwerk

[dusk bough]

can I trust the sims that tell me a 419 qalashi crusher is better than my leggo?

losing the passive seems nuts

[hexed saddle]

yes

wep ilvl pretty fuck good

[sage badge]

Wait 419? Isn't lego 496 or something before upgrading it? Am I misremembering?

[rare kite]

I assume he means 519

[sage badge]

[dusk bough]

yea my bad

its 519

[manic torrent]

is there a stat priority difference we should be aiming for raid vs m+ ?

[glossy olive]

Am I reading this right? Arms much much better than Fury?

[sage badge]

Not really. Maybe a bit more haste for raid ST, but generally don't need to worry unless you want to min/max different sets of gear.

[manic torrent]

ah fair

[sage badge]

Arms currently sims higher than fury. I don't raid so they might perform better than fury on some fights vs others. I think arms is just better in m+ right now, but I'd wait a few more weeks till people are geared. I imagine either will do well like always.

[glossy olive]

I just do methics

Mythics

[minor gust]

Fury is pretty down bad in raid but in M+ should be close to arms

[outer holly]

In aoe specifically

[old urchin]

The gap is about the same raid or M+ according to sims

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit#gid=0

Just compare ST and D slice.

about 40k difference between both. Sims are sims so in the real world a lot can change but yeah

[minor gust]

raid ST gap is a canyon

its aoe and M+ its pretty similiar

[smoky kayak]

20 ilvls worth of mh weapon? yeah

[sour forge]

Fury does have the perk of being tanky so there’s that

[old urchin]

ST arms is 431k vs Fury is 390.

D Slice Arms is 546k vs Fury 505k

So about 40k in both difference in overall dps

[smoky kayak]

Fury definitely closes the gap in consistent AoE, but any time you get to a single target or two targets, Arms is just gonna gap them

and the thing is... there's really not that much consistent AoE, outside of a few gimmicky raid bosses

[minor gust]

40k gap in ST is massive compared to 40k gap in aoe

[outer holly]

Yeah fury does have the bonus of "Nothing really kills you, have fun standing in fire" which is a huge plus to some of us

[smoky kayak]

DSlice isn't really pure AoE though

[minor gust]

yeah

[smoky kayak]

and like last season, high level M+ is going to favor priority damage

[outer holly]

actually fury loses quite a bit of vers this tier so I'm not sure how big that natural tankyness gap is

[old urchin]

Ya like I said sims are sims. But you're right AOE not the same

[smoky kayak]

Anyone who thought S2 set was gonna "save fury in M+" was kidding themselves; S3 was probably the better set overall

[old urchin]

Oh for sure

Brodyn is insane burst

[minor gust]

I just wanted Rav AM gameplay back

[outer holly]

Well you got it, now enjoy arms

[minor gust]

I mean ill play both

im not a slave to playing meta for keys xd

[smoky kayak]

Arms is definitely overtuned, along with a couple other specs, though I wouldn't be surprised if they skip tuning this season

[smoky kayak]

if you're not a super high key pusher, it doesn't really matter anyway tbh

[minor gust]

yup

[old urchin]

Nahhhh it's right where it needs to be brotha. Someone's gotta be on top

[minor gust]

only time I play whats best is during raid prog

[smoky kayak]

No problem with Arms being on top, but 10% is quite a gap

[outer holly]

Tier lists still put us in C, so maybe we fly under the radar

[minor gust]

any other time is play what I feel like playing

[minor gust]

Blizzard isnt tuning around tier lists lmao

[outer holly]

I saw Jeventes defending us in the comments though, good lad

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[minor gust]

[sage badge]

No matter what Blizz does

[frosty remnant]

Improved sweeping and BB for mythic kurog probably better than strength in arms with EB right?

[minor gust]

improved sweeping better for Kurog yes

[sage badge]

Is Kurog a council fight? If so then yeah

[old urchin]

Small adds

[minor gust]

and EB fucks on 2 target fights

big adds

[old urchin]

So not constant adds up but yeah still

[sage badge]

I dont remember vault raid, maybe I'll do lfr this weekend.

[old urchin]

On Council I'd think that the bonegrinder build would be best

[thick kelp]

kurog perma 2T on mythic but lower difficulty its only 2t in intermissions

[frosty remnant]

On council I just ran cleave instead of BB and it fucks. I had 4 set obviously

[minor gust]

Kurog is basically a two target fight

[thick kelp]

would say SoA for hc and below

[sage badge]

Oh right. Kurog is the one where he gets a different element or something

[smoky kayak]

On Mythic, Improved Sweeping yes
EB vs BB is debatable, BB returns pretty well on multiple targets and Kurog is more than just 2

[old urchin]

Oh truuu I haven't done him on mythic yet I forgot

[frosty remnant]

Thanks Archi!

[thick kelp]

played EB on him yday on mythic

procced 10ms in a row on opener

holy dopamine

[smoky kayak]

EB feels great, don't get me wrong, just not super clear cut, because BB does add up pretty well with multiple targets

[frosty remnant]

I got Sark cloak from timewalking lol

[minor gust]

EB with SS feels good

[sage badge]

Wait.. can you get tier from timewalking?

[smoky kayak]

the weekly quest cache is for raid gear

I got poopy bracers

[minor gust]

I dont think u can get tier tho

from the box

because tier is tokens

[smoky kayak]

correct

[sage badge]

Hmm more stuff I need to do over the weekend

[frosty remnant]

I got my tier from heroic, catalyst charge, and aotc token

The sark cloak was from timewalking cache

[smoky kayak]

it's ok though, illidaddy gave me this for my non-existent Arms set 🙃

[minor gust]

im 3/4 tier till Sunday when we finish mythic

[sage badge]

I'm currently 2p

[smoky kayak]

currently 1p 😦

[sage badge]

Is that just catalyst?

[smoky kayak]

na, 1 token from the achieve

catalyst isn't gonna get redeemed till I can make 4p

[sage badge]

I just catalyzed and used the token from 2k rating. Still need to do raid for bullion

[smoky kayak]

no real point to making tier till 4 IMO, just wait and see what I get in vault first

[sage badge]

Yeah true. Im just lazy. I prog LFR now and do keys

[swift flame]

I forced 2p cos my old 4 set was low ilvl

2p is sick tho mortal strike becoming a nuclear bomb

[sage badge]

We get catalyst every week? Or is it every other?

[swift flame]

Every week this season

[sage badge]

Ez

[swift flame]

What io is it for the achievement this season?

[sage badge]

Chance tier from vault and catalyst another piece. Ez 4p

2k or all 10s

[swift flame]

Ok sounds good

[sage badge]

Yeah it wasnt as difficult as I'd thought it would be

Then again I played prot for some of them because apparently no one likes tanking at the start of a season.

[reef birch]

what's SoA supposed to be? Too sleepy to try and figure out myself

:/

[grim fossil]

Arms time bois

I just need a new pc

[warm bronze]

Is the droprate on WoWhead accurate? does it account for <+ or M0

M+ *

[sage badge]

Strength of Arms, choice node with Improve Sweeping Strikes

[reef birch]

ah

thanks

[sage badge]

[reef birch]

@sage badge and the "reckless" in fated season doc refers to warlord torment?

[grim fossil]

MORTAL STRIKE

[hazy flower]

AA 10

my lowest uptime on bosses was on crawth, 60%

you're not overgeared for 10's right now so you will still be brought below 90% with same hits in higher keys and not more unless you decided to take some random avoidable damage (outside of some small few cases which are honestly not too impactful in the big picture)

Nokhud 10

Your argument of tons of random damage is pretty irrelevant as I told you last season when mentioning ~ 70% in high tyra eb which was probably the worst dungeon for bsl, and even though raw values dont tell you everything, the % is high enough that there's no need to look further into it because it overshadows other embellishments all day even if you lose it on pull for 1 or 2 avatars in the dungeon

[halcyon haven]

gimme ur data

[hazy flower]

what

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/PDzJqBvGyhN84Y9H#fight=7&type=auras&source=3

go check if you want but there's no shot you can make 78% seem bad

[halcyon haven]

lol im just quoting someone

[sour forge]

He’s memeing

[grim fossil]

We need gear sets

For deeps

[halcyon haven]

We need jiggle physics

[sour forge]

Bonk

[halcyon haven]

ouch

[reef birch]

boobies

[sage badge]

Yeah

[grim fossil]

I like human females

And blood elf

[halcyon haven]

Draenei females are S tier

[grim fossil]

I like slyvannus

[rotund creek]

Bro no way you said this

[sour forge]

Sylv-anus

[rotund creek]

But if this is your fetish go for it

[halcyon haven]

silvanus?

[outer holly]

We've never been in more agreement

[tropic relic]

was anyone able to figure out how many crests its gonna cost to upgrade legendary next week?

[spice stag]

is there much of a difference between blademaster's torment vs not using it for keys if we arent playing jugg in a key

cuz i dont like blademasters torment

[reef birch]

looks so much better

[rotund creek]

[onyx path]

yo what trinkets should i go for mytic +?

[reef birch]

purely spitballing, id say whispering icon and algetar box

[bleak fog]

Even that we cant channel the box in BS?

[reef birch]

well im asuming pre-pul, which is probably more of a raid thing

the box is a maybe

cant go wrong with Pip instead if you want, but i just dont like having 2 passive trinkets

[bleak fog]

Do we run 2+2?

Tier

For m+ it seems.

[thick kelp]

onuse trinkets are big in m+

pbox is especially big as mastery is good in aoe situations

[smoky kayak]

don't be an asshole, asking someone to share information isn't a bad thing in any way

[smoky kayak]

that's definitely good uptime; I think there's still an argument to be made that you're losing it during a lot of your high burst, which is the biggest issue with M+ - the incoming/outgoing damage profiles aren't always consistent, but the periods of highest damage also frequently overlap with high incoming damage (particularly when it comes to big pulls)

blacked out portions being when Zone is down

[hazy flower]

Yeah I remembered when you showed my my first pull in eb and that’s why I referenced the 1-2 bsl downtimes during my avatar burst

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, I think that's something which will take a little bit of data gathering to draw a good bead on

this is also tyrannical, and the majority of your damage is on adds, which don't hit as hard, therefore making BSL easier to maintain

[timid plover]

quick question: how many crests will we need next week to upgrade the updated leggy to max?

[still fox]

yea and can macro with bladestorm cast in storm

[smoky kayak]

I believe 60 wrym, 90 aspect

[timid plover]

cool, thanks!

[hazy flower]

Yeah but looking at crawth my uptime there was 60(?) I think, im in a bus atm

[rare kite]

only with avatar, can't macro it with regular bs

[hazy flower]

And every hit took me below 90% either way

[smoky kayak]

yeah I was just looking at your overall boss overlaps

[still fox]

rly?^^

[smoky kayak]

I mean as much as some of you memed on him for asking for logs, I actually think this is a pretty interesting situation to analyze
and at least as far as I've seen, there hasn't been a whole lot of it outside of just checking raw uptime... which I don't think necessarily tells the whole story in M+

[rare kite]

yes, coz pbox incurs a gcd now

[smoky kayak]

unfort it doesn't look like WCL reports uptime % correctly when filtering all bosses in the dungeon, but all trash works and its showing at 37% (keep in mind trash was 74% of your total damage done... though maybe not your most important damage done, and again there's a big difference between burst and the general rotation)

which makes me think that a fortified key might not feel so good

[hazy flower]

I havent checked when have I lost but I could also make an argument that by it being some random +10 I didnt pay that much attention or care in that key

Probably took 1 or 2 ravager frontal ticks

Etc

Could probably up that a bit yeah

[smoky kayak]

yeah, if a player really put effort into paying attention to when the buff is up or down, that could probably make a noticeable difference in performance as well

[hazy flower]

Cant really speak rn anyway, wage cage comes

[grand idol]

I wonder if I can convince 2 other people to buy icon

Hmmm

[true ice]

Hey guys returning arms warrior (was forced in fury by raid leader last season)

I just switched to s4 4 tier piece and arms, I was trying to play the new wowhead juggernaut hybrid build in m+ but i do lower damage than my s3 set.

I'm confused about cleave and how important it is in the cycle

Also, is it okay if I only play the 2 Bladestorm build instead (since I'm more familiar with that) or would i be losing too much dps?

[smoky kayak]

from my understanding, it is still best for several tanks and most healers (remember Icon is based on role, OCE just requires picking different buffs)

[grand idol]

ooo, good news

hehe

yea, I might be able to convince the people I run m+ with to buy it which would two birds the whole situation

[smoky kayak]

Deswind has been optimizing a little bit so there might be some minor alteration, but the general use is to

• Apply Deep Wounds in MT when it's not already up (and you're not about to WB/BS, since they do it as well)
• Use it with Martial Prowess stacks in multitarget (save them for MS in ST or low target Sweeping Strikes)

[true ice]

So basically my opener would be like in a typical 5 target m+ pull

Charge> TC(rend) > avatar+WB> WW> roar > bs > op > op > cleave ?

I'm not sure when it's worth clicking if 1 or 2 MP stacks are needed or I just need 1 stack

[strange perch]

Hello, can I combine the 2-piece set bonus from the new tier set with the 2-piece set bonus from season 3's tier set?

[rare kite]

ofcourse playing the 2 bs build is okay, I personally prefer the 1 bs build for more st

[boreal quartz]

2p2p works if it sims well

Which ilvl generally enables

[buoyant cargo]

Anyone figured out how many of which (aspect/drake) crests we will need next week to fully upgrade leggo?

[boreal quartz]

90 and 60 iirv

Iirc

[analog granite]

What happened

[glossy sky]

what embe. is BSL ?

[analog granite]

Blue silken lining

Mastery while above 90% hp

[dapper plank]

Just returned to season 4 without playing s3 as warr. How screwed am I with getting the leggo?

[boreal quartz]

Well you need to do HC amirdrassil this week

Even though it's not fated

That's kinda ass IMO

[dapper plank]

is it worth queuing LFR aswell?

been in queue for 3 hours

[boreal quartz]

No just do hc amir

[dapper plank]

roger roger

[smoky brook]

Boys is it worth using slam as a filler in m+ at all now that we have cleave ?

[mossy swan]

could someone link some good M+ talents for arms rq

with old equip from s3

s3 tier

[torn charm]

I put arms spec and got a shield from the tw cache. How? Well still better that a 2 hander because I have the legendary but I was surprised

[mossy swan]

for tyrannical i guess

[shy tide]

not a 2nd wind gamer 😆

healers are too busy with movement on that boss

got to do it yourself

[glossy sky]

do you use this build once you have the s4 4p ? or even without it?

[trail marsh]

Is it a thing to use Fyr'alath in bladestorm ? I dont have the leggo so i cant test it myself.

[serene horizon]

Hey quick question: When I look at logs of arms in m+ keys, they always use AVATAR (with recklessness) into WARBREAKER into Thunderous Roar

What I don't understand is: Doesn't bladestorm give you a damage buff for a few seconds, why not use bladestorm and thunderous roar after?

[trim kelp]

Best m+ trinkets ?

[odd ledge]

puzzlebox on bloodmallet 5 targets worst trinket?

cant be right

[analog granite]

You want as much overlap of as many CDs as possible while Roar is rolling. Bladestorm first helps the initial damage but the DoT loses some hurricane value

[fierce patrol]

boys

is it arms or fury this patch?

[rare kite]

arms

[flat hinge]

What embellish should we use for M+ and raid

[clever crag]

Both

[thick kelp]

bsl + versa wrist

[clever crag]

When you feel like chilling its fury, tryharding - arms

[boreal quartz]

Arms is chill wdym

[nova wigeon]

HI i have a question , why should we switch a 2p / 2p ?

[clever crag]

Fury feels more chill cuz its basically immortal

Might be worse now tho when you dont spam as much BTs

[vague nova]

im fine to spend drake awakened crests without eating into the ones i need for legendary right? you need wyrms and aspects?

to upgrade legendary next week*

[untold oyster]

Yeah i think it goes to a 502 after the upgrade item

So wyrms after that i think

[steep osprey]

how are you guys doing on council

[fierce patrol]

so we back to 15 crit and full mastery as fury i guess, arms keep being haste crit vers?

ive been out for a long time :p

[clever crag]

I have no idea same as you

[steep osprey]

xdd

that's me btw

[boreal quartz]

Why did u rename ur war

[steep osprey]

it's human

is 520 mh better than leggo

[warm bronze]

Does setting loot spec to arms/fury matter if trying to get puzzle box?

[steep osprey]

no, but keep arms since fury can give u 1h

[warm bronze]

yea

aight thanks 🙂

[boreal quartz]

Ye prolly

My 50 outsims it in st

502

[halcyon breach]

huh

My wep had to be upgraded to 509-512 before it properly beat it

[last dome]

my 502 was better, i imagine it depends on stats weights

[boreal quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/o84rDHNbwHasQA9zwBuN44

Oh it was 512

Forgor

[halcyon breach]

noob

[zealous basin]

Is it trolling to aim for Anvil?

[steep osprey]

you made torc?

[boreal quartz]

My gear is down horrible tho

[boreal quartz]

That's the plan

[steep osprey]

ok

[boreal quartz]

With bsl

[steep osprey]

cool

maybe i'll do the same idk

[warm bronze]

So, I'm seeing two different viewpoints on Wristguards + Shadowflame boots and Wristguards + Torc

[steep osprey]

i haven't seen any zenith tokens

[warm bronze]

Anybody know if shadowflame boots will still be best?

[boreal quartz]

Wont be the best

BSL is better but has risks innit

[warm bronze]

ahhh gotcha, BSL

Yea I stand in too much shit for that lol

[boreal quartz]

Yea basically requires u to take less dam to be good

So higher keys and some bosses are dog for it

[warm bronze]

I feel like it would be great for burst window openers but

yea

I never trusted myself with BSL

[raven nymph]

Try it. You may surprise yourself.

[warm bronze]

man some of these fights just have raw damage everywhere idk

might switch later

[steep osprey]

even on ST?

[boreal quartz]

Ye

[elfin kindle]

Does 2000 score give you a token?

For tier*

[cursive sun]

just get curve

way easier