arms

[edgy atlas]

F

[dreamy egret]

maybe from the weekly cache

[quasi elk]

Weakly cache from doing 5 raid bosses or TW dungeons

I got Call to Chaos from it, my guild mate got our BiS trinket from it, forgot name, something chromatic essence

Some got ring, none of our got that cape

[hollow wave]

Do you guys hold CDs to align one with another or just throw it on cd? Iam kinda confused about that

[gaunt owl]

Never hold CS

Exception is if the boss go into immune phase or something like that

Even sometimes holding avatar can lose you a full duration in the fight

[edgy atlas]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/63QHRgYjMmBD4wav#fight=43&type=damage-done

Feels bad man

Boss didn't fall over

[gaunt owl]

So know i just send it

[edgy atlas]

If only we had a 3rd warrior

[gaunt owl]

Not enough Execute

Tell Bolas to not be dead

[olive nest]

Never enough execute

Tell your priest to jump off edge after giving last PI

So boss lives longer in execute

Wait no Spriest

You good

[hollow wave]

I thought you should always use avatar with CS or BS

Good to know

[brittle cosmos]

holy. that was a lucky quest reward

[dire hinge]

In single target you’ll likely have CS or ToM active at any time, and avatar can be used whenever since it’ll overlap one of those buffs.

In dungeons, just make sure the pack will live through the duration of the cast

Hoho nice pull on brand, Grats

[brittle cosmos]

thanks !

[alpine burrow]

Yo guys, what performs better right now for m+, arms or fury? Even if it’s just slightly more haha

[olive nest]

Comparable AoE

Arms does Prio better

[lean geode]

If I never got leggo last season, do I still need to spend bullion to upgrade it if it drops from awakend fyrakk?

[sacred zodiac]

afaik ye

[lean geode]

And do I still need to do the whole quest line and everything?

[cursive sun]

yes

[lean geode]

rip

[raven nymph]

Yes to quests

[sacred zodiac]

ye no shortcut

[lean geode]

What a dogshit is

[sacred zodiac]

you can go and pug non awakened fyrakk every week tho

[olive nest]

Should played season 3

[raven nymph]

Mine dropped in heroic this week. Same ilvl. Who knows with awakened but kinda doubt it.

[olive nest]

Can never un sub

[raven nymph]

7 hours ish of solo questing

[lean geode]

guild died on tindral + everyone but me got axe xdd

[sacred zodiac]

simply conscript half of skyhold noobers to help you

@halcyon breach and 6 others that i will not ping but banezi must be pinged

[raven nymph]

lol

I’m curious what amount of each crests we’ll need for the upgrades

[vast jetty]

Early season, what is you guys simming 5m ST?

mine seems low (shouldnt compare to other classes, but still). Wonder if I missed something, or if I simply have to wait for weapon + tier set upgrades

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wMGaMovdoLVb6TJbF9wn5e

250k

[raven nymph]

I mean you’re in s3 ilvl/ gear. Not sure what kinda jump you’re expecting in 2-3 days. Get luckier with trinkets & rings?

[vast jetty]

Just want to know if you guys get the same result

or if I missed something obvious

[raven nymph]

Signet isn’t amazing in aoe

[vast jetty]

its ST

[raven nymph]

Oof. Read 5m as 5T. Not caffeinated yet

[olive nest]

Highest I’ve seen in here so far was Lincs and he’s getting just over 313k

He’s also getting loot so that makes a big difference

[sand prairie]

Does Shadowflame procc eranog ring?

[olive nest]

Yes

[sand prairie]

ty

[hazy flower]

@latent moss

bis logs

cant match me

[chilly hull]

bladestorm - 1min, avatar 1,5 min. should i always cast them together? or do i cast 2 bladestorms per 1 avatar?

[sturdy flicker]

Arms gonna be better in raid what about mplus

Fury set is pretty seeet in keys

[opaque citrus]

Bladestorm has a ton of CDR, I just send it whenever in aoe

[finite ginkgo]

do we get a catalys tcharge every week this season?

[opaque citrus]

Maybe I’ll hold it if WB is about to come up

[final dove]

yes

[finite ginkgo]

thats nice

[sudden fox]

Is everyone crafting wrists week 1

or holding crests

[opaque citrus]

I think you should have enough aspects to send a crafted piece plus full leggo upgrade next week

In terms of the cap

[finite ginkgo]

dont you need 90 aspects for full upgrade?

or 60?

[unborn canyon]

60

[opaque citrus]

60 for a craft

[unborn canyon]

Yeah, 60 for a craft

[finite ginkgo]

cant legy be upgraded to 14/14?

[dire hinge]

yuppers

[finite ginkgo]

then it should be 90 spects?

[dire hinge]

for lego yeah

120 crest weekly cap, should be fine

[finite ginkgo]

ok so we cant craft this week if we want to upgrade instantly

[cursive sun]

u cannot

upgrade it this week

[dire hinge]

depends on how isntantly you want to aquire 30 more aspect crests

[cursive sun]

u can upgrade lego next week

so just craft sth

[dire hinge]

^

[finite ginkgo]

but i cant also next week if i craft^^

[dire hinge]

it's 120 per week, if you spend 60 this week (craft) you'll have 30 left over.
Next week you have another (240 total), two max crafts + lego is only 210 (60+60+90)

the "instantly" part is tripping you up a bit, but that's where it's your call on when you want to take these actions, based on when you'd acquire crests during the week.

whelp not the best pull but i'll take it

[finite ginkgo]

gonna think about it

[dire hinge]

lego is definitely going to be your biggest upgrade in the whole season, so if you really deeply want an immediate thing to do on reset day next week, lego is the safest choice

[dreamy egret]

i got shit from my tw cache

and shit from the heroic

[thick kelp]

Hoolyy timewalking cache

[dreamy egret]

big

while fights last 5m +

first purchase scales 2nd purchase anvil

[thick kelp]

scale ?

[dreamy egret]

scales of awakening to upgrade weapon

[opaque citrus]

Good for prot

[thick kelp]

ahh

2nd purchase eranogg ring

btw

big dam with leggy and helm enchant

[dreamy egret]

cant wait to have max weapon 2nd week

[thick kelp]

for the small price of 3k flightstones

[olive nest]

Dogshit flightstones

Can we freely reapply s3 helm enchant?

[boreal quartz]

Real

[boreal quartz]

Yes

[shy tide]

grapnel is pretty fcking good

[olive nest]

Sick spending raz token on helm then

[shy tide]

it was barely simming bellow the sark on use trinket

more than useable early on

[dreamy egret]

already spent some lol

[rapid bronze]

what on earth is that BSL neck everyone is talking about

[halcyon breach]

Blue silken lining on a crafted neck

[rapid bronze]

ah I see

so that's better than lariat now?

without gems I assume

[thick kelp]

more like bsl on ring

[dreamy egret]

Im never above 90% hp

lol

[olive nest]

BSL on ring gets you the most sockets early on

[spark mango]

guys

do we unequip legendary on arms at any point this week?

like how much higher can my main hand get to replace legendaryh

[olive nest]

Sim it

Roughly like 16 ilvl

So heroic 2h upgraded wins

Next week you upgrade Lego so it only is a gain this week ofc

[spark mango]

yeah i was wondering about this week alone

czu i have raid tonight

[olive nest]

Better to give weapon to someone who doesn’t have axe if you’re on a team

If all have axe then be greedy

[spark mango]

i have heroic weapon on me czu i was playing fury, was wondering if i should fully upgrade it this week

i have wepaon from second boss

[olive nest]

If you plan on playing fury then yes ofc

Also spending crests now on weapon

Makes upgrades free on Lego until the same ilvl

[cursive sun]

what trinkets yall going for?

puzzlebox n what?

(farmable ones)

[quasi elk]

Almost just like mine (I had 249.700)
So don’t feel discouraged, once we get more loot in due time we’ll be doing better dmg

[olive nest]

Blazehoof tec

[sour forge]

511 ashcandi out sims leggo

[quasi elk]

Any recommendations what to farm from M+ right now, like which dungeons to prio for loot

[cursive sun]

496 lego?

[sour forge]

What other leggo lol

[cursive sun]

well then thats just

a useless statement

[sour forge]

Wdym

[cursive sun]

cause u will upgrade ur lego next week

and then it wont be outsimmed

[sour forge]

This

Guy legit asked

[cursive sun]

also asscandy sims are bait

cause u wont always be hitting humanoids

[zenith warren]

Best slot for non tier still head?

[cursive sun]

to have the same proc

[sour forge]

Just run droptimizer. We mostly chasing ilvl at this point

[quasi elk]

Right
Thanks

[dire hinge]

it defaults to not-humanoid, you have to inform the sim with a custom flag to make it humanoid

[cursive sun]

oh

nvm me then

but still i dont think we ever unequip lego either its a stupid mistake in sims or just a fuck up by blizz

cause that wouldnt make sense

[sour forge]

Ilvl beats out leggo

[dire hinge]

Humanoid: dragonflight.ashkandur_humanoid=1
Default: dragonflight.ashkandur_humanoid=0

[dreamy egret]

lol

[dire hinge]

yeah, high ilvl can beat out 496 lego this week temporarily until we upgrade it

haha nice

[sour forge]

Works out for me cause I’m still playing fury for some keys

[lone imp]

You have to actually turn on humanoids for it to give that buff

[lone imp]

Guess I should have kept reading

[dire hinge]

itttt happens 🥰

[eager solstice]

what settings do you use to sim for m+?

been playing fury for ages

but looks like im swapping

[sharp wyvern]

is it save to upgrade a weapon since the crests cost will be removed from leggo ?

[lone imp]

I sim st, dslice, 5tar and 10tar and see what's the top of the average

[sour forge]

Yes it’ll just cost flightstone

[dire hinge]

correct, you'd just need to re-farm our beloved currency: Flightstones

[eager solstice]

all for 5m?

[lone imp]

I do, yeah

I'm sure there is some big brain shit that is more accurate, but it's good enough for me

[dreamy egret]

all hail the tome stones

i mean flight stones

[sand prairie]

is 2/2 worth it ?

[lone imp]

Sim yourself is the answer. Might be worth in st but is certainly worth in keys

[sand prairie]

ye i sim higher because i can replace a piece with a 30 ilvl on the slot due to 2/2 but it feels very whack haha but ty

[lone imp]

I mean, feel wise, it's going to feel the same 2/2 as it does with full 4pc innit, like save some extra SD procs

[calm hollow]

anyone used this one? if i remember correctly, this was dogshit in S1 but sims better than 489 Augury

[dire hinge]

perfectly fine filler trinket, just sim it as you go 👍

[lone imp]

Has bis sounds

[dreamy egret]

nice for a while

[opaque citrus]

[sacred zodiac]

i pretend i do not see it

[formal dagger]

Hey, which spec is better between Arms or Fury in MM+ with the new set ?

[dreamy egret]

marksman+ ?

[olive nest]

Look what DH out rolled me on last night

Dead ass

[opaque citrus]

It’s joever

[olive nest]

He won with a 95 followed by a PRES EVOKER with a 94

Imagine the healer won it

Lmao

[arctic iris]

Damage proc effects like that tend to be similarly valuable on healers, though, assuming that they're using their DPS buttons like they should

[sour forge]

Arms

[formal dagger]

ty bro

[wind vault]

Could anyone tell me what ilvl drops from timewalking dungs?

[sour forge]

467

[wind vault]

Thank You

[sour forge]

Heroic dungeons are better if you can Que for those

[arctic iris]

Crafted whelpling items (no sparks requires, just 30 whelpling crests) are also 486

With the whelpling cap this week you can craft 4 of them

[opaque citrus]

After the weekly*

[sour forge]

Well I’d just do bt and do both at the same time

No reason to do the tw raid and 5 dungeons

[opaque citrus]

I never do the raids but apparently BT is giga free

[sour forge]

It is free

Plus heroic cache

[arctic iris]

It's really easy. A lot of stuff will randomly hit for like 95% of your HP bar so you might die, but the raid will kill the bosses/trash anyways

Just remember to get the quest before you do it

[dusk veldt]

guys wondering

wich talents are the hbest right now

without tierset for arms in pve

[opaque citrus]

Battle stance for sure

[arctic iris]

I would suggest reading the guide, which is in the pins.

[prisma yoke]

man guys i honestly am having a hard time deciding between arms and fury this seaso

i was prot s1, prot/fury s2, arms then fury s3

i don't want to go back to being mid dps

[smoky kayak]

Arms w/ S4 tier beats the pants off Fury

it's one of the most overtuned specs of the season

[prisma yoke]

boop, that's what i'd gleamed from reading, but

[glossy hill]

your playing fury until you get 4 set than arms

[prisma yoke]

fantastic, that's exactly what i needed to hear

[smoky kayak]

if you're still using S3 tier, you can just play either; they both have minor advantages

[prisma yoke]

honestly that means arms now so i can practice/internalize the rotation

yea

y'all the best, thanks

[smoky kayak]

np

[unborn canyon]

Woah wait, arms is balanced

Just look at devastation

Also their aoe isn't close to as op as Spriest and destro lock

[wooden knot]

Is 2pc+2pc good enough to justify letting a catalyst charge fly?
Or is it better to wait until next week to let it rip?

[proper moth]

my dev just hit 500ilvl is kinda busted

i wish arms could hit big numbers like that

[hybrid sinew]

is arms still better in AoE? i'm not much of an arms guy, but w/ the 4p on the 5 target dummies in valdraken my fury is like 50ish+ ahead

[unborn canyon]

Yes

[proper moth]

arms is pumps

[glossy hill]

arms is way better in bigger pulls 5+ targets

[hybrid sinew]

thats weird, i know maxamising arms AoE is hella tough, but on 5 targets I should just be able to make sure cleave is going w/ overpower and keeping WW/TC on CD, and it just still wasn't doing great dmg

[unborn canyon]

It does better prio damage too

[glossy hill]

around 5 targets they are some what equal

[proper moth]

^

[hybrid sinew]

ok, if they are somewhat equal at 5 that explains it

cause im like, i know this is complex, but i'm kinda testing this on the easiest varienet, and if it was that far ahead i feel like it would be showing it

[teal fossil]

You don’t keep tc on cd

Tc is used to apply rend

Keep cleave on dd

Cd

It doesn’t need op stacks

[hybrid sinew]

ah, i'd have to go back and check, but its used as a filler after cleave and WW are on cd

yeah, but its naturally getting them in between its cd

[proper moth]

cleave>ww>tc

[hybrid sinew]

yeah, thats def what i was doing

[proper moth]

is IFTK the move for M+ I see a lot of peeps running ToM on YT

[finite vault]

hi ! is it good Oo ?

[unborn canyon]

Pretty sure you don't use ToM in keys

[dire hinge]

you can use raidbots to determine if this is an upgrade for your or not

[teal fossil]

you send you are sending it with OP stacks

you keep cleave on cd without it

and keep OP on cd over WW

[hybrid sinew]

yeah, thats what i was doing

[dire hinge]

you can use ToM in non-bladestorm builds if you want, like the Juggernaut build

but i wouldn't take it with Bladestorm, personally. You already have a shorter CS duration with warbreaker, then atop it bladestorm is time you're not spending ToM rage, so it just hinders it too much

[gaunt owl]

i hope he never get any loot luck after this one

[unborn canyon]

Holy shit wtf

What is that luck

[gaunt owl]

illegal

he must have sacrifice a goat to a demon

[unborn canyon]

Kill that man, and take his ring

[proper moth]

hopefully if pops up in your vault

[unborn canyon]

Hand it over

[simple wren]

thinking of leveling a new warrior in remix. whats the best race for m+ this season?

[teal fossil]

dwarf

[unborn canyon]

Dwarf

[teal fossil]

remix doesnt have m+ though

[wooden knot]

dwarf

[teal fossil]

and we dont know whats good in tww

[unborn canyon]

Be an orc

[simple wren]

i am!

an orc

already

[unborn canyon]

Do it cause tusks might be easier to get in remix

For the mog

[simple wren]

fair

[unborn canyon]

Fashion my dude

[simple wren]

yes!

[unborn canyon]

Get tusks and then mog gorehowl

For the warchief

[gaunt owl]

greatest warchief ever

[unborn canyon]

Man, tusks only look right on orcs though

Still good mog though

[gaunt owl]

depend on the side too

[ashen cloud]

yeah, I haven't bothered farming them since I am NE

[gaunt owl]

they need to make Orc great again

1min30 on their burst easy

[unborn canyon]

Just add weapon skill back

With the lego

[junior scarab]

when should I break s3 4 set?

[nimble basin]

Reckon it will be tuned quick? I bet it will. Yet every season broken classes that stay untouched for the most part.

[unborn canyon]

Orc axe racial op

[gaunt owl]

4k dps from ilvl is enough use gear compare

[junior scarab]

btw if I don't have legendary, would it be worth getting ashkander next week?

[unborn canyon]

Just pray, they let survival hunter exist in S3 and s4 of shadowlands

[ashen cloud]

no, get a 2h only later in season if you don't have lego by then

[unborn canyon]

And that was way worse

[ashen cloud]

get other items first

[smoky kayak]

its the victory lap season and all eyes are focused on TWW; they might (and probably should) do some tuning, but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't

[west tusk]

what should your damage breakdown typically be in plus? Runnig the Warlord Hybrid build from wowhead.

[nimble basin]

I've been learning arms for two days, excited to try it with new tier.

[smoky kayak]

doesn't really matter though, Warriors can easily swap between Arms and Fury even if they do change some stuff

[dire hinge]

a fellow man of culture i see

[nimble basin]

Fury isn't that good though is it this season?

[junior scarab]

Is the pitty system for the leggo still around?

[smoky kayak]

never been a big fan of the smaller right shoulder, but that's a pretty nice "simple" mog

[dire hinge]

yes, bad luck protection still exists for killing fyrakk

[nimble basin]

I feel like arms is due a really strong season so hopefully they don't mess with it, if its as strong as some are saying.

[junior scarab]

Are the hcs from last season still taking into consideration?

[unborn canyon]

Yes

[smoky kayak]

we don't actually know, but we have no reason to suspect they're not

that's not the kind of thing that should reset with a new season

[unborn canyon]

Did it reset for evoker lego when season 3 came out?

I'd assume so

[true ice]

Is it a safe craft vers wrists if I'm mainly raiding?

[unborn canyon]

Like, that it didnt

[junior scarab]

If I got with the 2 tier set I am apparently losing 4k dps

[nimble basin]

I think its what I'm doing first tbh

[smoky kayak]

yes

[dire hinge]

yeah, the asymetrical size was always odd (it did exist IRL in armor sets, for mobility on your main hand), but i can't bring myself to hide the 2nd tusk just because Mannaroth had two of them and i like wearing his full skull

[empty gull]

It didn’t

[unborn canyon]

Yeah, so the axe BLP probably didn't reset

[gritty rapids]

yo boys, how much will it be to fully upgrade the legendary axe 14/14 next week?

dont wanna spend the aspects/wyrms on other shit, wanna stock for the weap

[smoky kayak]

iirc 90 wrym and 60 aspect

[opaque citrus]

Simple mogs rise up

[minor gust]

world of warcraft is about shoulders

No shoulders = L

[opaque citrus]

Maybe if they didn’t all float

[nimble basin]

if we get a 519 myth from vault, you can still upgrade it after right? silly question I guess prob but just checking

[opaque citrus]

Yes

[wooden knot]

528 cap for most

[nimble basin]

sweet ty

[brittle pelican]

item list pls

[opaque citrus]

No

That’s my mog

[hollow axle]

Do we swap to 2set as arms if we have above 506?

[opaque citrus]

(It’s trading post chest/legs from a while back, current trading post hood/cape, exiles reach boots/gloves, bracers I have no clue)

[smoky kayak]

either sim it or just wait for 4p

[opaque citrus]

@brittle pelican

Oh the belt is also from current TP

[obsidian wave]

Do we need to save crests to be able to max leggo next week or it’ll be less than 120

[dire hinge]

it'll be 90 total aspect crests, but if you get a weapon and spend the crests now it will only costs flightstones to catch back up

and what like 60 wyrm crests

[smoky kayak]

yeah

and that is correct - if you have a 502+ weapon right now, you can upgrade it without "losing" any currency other than flightstones

e.g. I got the Raszageth axe and upped it to 522; when I upgrade Fyr'alath it'll go to 522 just using flightstones

[gaunt owl]

@unborn canyon

[glossy hill]

anybody else get this mesage when trying to add a socket to a new neck?

[gritty rapids]

ty ❤️

[unborn canyon]

Yo nice

[dire hinge]

what "quality" of tiered medallion setting are you trying to use?

[glossy hill]

rank 3

[dire hinge]

oh my that's not good

[glossy hill]

neck came with 1 socket

[unborn canyon]

Oh no

[smoky kayak]

yeah there was a bug where you couldn't apply sockets to necks

idk if it was all necks or just ones which dropped with a socket

[glossy hill]

lol

[smoky kayak]

someone in my guild had the issue too

[glossy hill]

come on blizz

[smoky kayak]

new season, new bugs

[opaque citrus]

“New” season, zero QA*

[glossy hill]

test it in production

[minor gust]

My guild went and killed M Fyrakk for more mounts before we stepped into awakened and our vaults were set to 519 Mythic gear

even tho we didnt do awakened

hopefully it doesnt fuck with vault xd

[unborn canyon]

Lolllllll

Can't wait to fill vault with unawakened mythic voi next week

This patch release has been pretty messy so far, wouldn't be surprised

[minor gust]

Vault says 519 soooo. either way shouldnt matter well clear M Awakened vault anyways

[calm hollow]

well, more like 2 weeks

[charred quest]

hey, should we do 2/2 tier or wait for full 4 set?

[calm hollow]

sim it, but 2/2 is a dps loss

[charred quest]

kk thx

[polar stream]

What’s the rotation on M+ with 2 and 2 set. Not sure how I should be using cleave now.

So used to not having it that I feel proper potato

[proper moth]

4+ targets on cleave i think

[polar stream]

And use cleave instead of mortal strike, everything else the same?

[proper moth]

unless 3 or less targets yeah

is there a way to sim the ruby welp shell?

[thorn sentinel]

are arms warrior any good in s4 for raid and m+ ?

[proper moth]

nah go play demo lock

[boreal quartz]

yes

[obsidian wave]

So do we have to tclap again after replacing s3 set?

[thorn sentinel]

would you say arms warrior have lot of buttons ?

[boreal quartz]

meh

[finite ginkgo]

Why

[boreal quartz]

in aoe yes

st nah

[thorn sentinel]

how many buttons do arms warrior have in st +

[dire hinge]

depends on which you're counting (movement, defensives, etc)

[hexed saddle]

4 rotational, 3 offensive cds, 4 defensive cd's

5 if you count dstance

just off the top of my head

[obsidian wave]

@boreal quartz so in ST you just manual rend?

[dire hinge]

noo, in single target you Tclap to apply rend

you dont care about the dps it does, it's all about the rage it spends

[olive nest]

Cleave 3+ targets without SS active
Cleave 5+ Targets with SS active

[obsidian wave]

Ty @dire hinge

[dire hinge]

of course! happy to help. You can safely remove "Rend" itself from your bars and just have Tclap there in all content

[olive nest]

Holup

Can charge rend lego

[dire hinge]

sims don't do that currently

[olive nest]

Yeah that’s true but people were still opening that way on fyrakk for example

[frozen bramble]

I have a relatively fresh 70 warrior. Should I use my dinar on Ashkandur, or is there a possibility of getting Fyralath in a reasonable time?

[olive nest]

Others were not also

[olive nest]

Complete rng

[calm hollow]

legendary up is 3 bullion

[timber lynx]

2

Ya

[calm hollow]

did they change it?

[timber lynx]

its been 2

[calm hollow]

i'm pretty sure it was 3

but i take 2

[timber lynx]

Pretty sure legit everything is 2 besides maybe mounts or whatever

but all gear is def 2 each

[dawn notch]

do we know how fury and arms stack up to each other?

[olive nest]

Arms >>

[timber lynx]

[untold nimbus]

From what I have been seeing, arms has been showing better than fury.

[dawn notch]

yeah but even at bis gear?

[neat crane]

Better is an understatement

[timber lynx]

yeah lmao

[hexed saddle]

its not close brother bear

[dawn notch]

so it's probably gonna get changed ,... one way or the other

[hexed saddle]

lol

[timber lynx]

Doubt lmao

[untold nimbus]

The fury set is not very good comparatively

[timber lynx]

its awakened

Doubt they change anything if at all

[dawn notch]

even after the buff xD yeah sadge

[hexed saddle]

blizz hardly tunes during the regular seasons

[timber lynx]

^

[hexed saddle]

ur kidding yourself if u think they're tuning during awakened

[neat crane]

The "buff" arguably nerfed it.

[proper moth]

arms isnt on the top of their list of busted shit

[neat crane]

They did a small tuning pass in shadowlands fated. If i remember correct it was a completely random week though

[minor gust]

Id expect atleast one round of tuning for the outliers for fated

but nothing after that

[simple wren]

tip: dont use legendary on spooder boss

[hexed saddle]

counter-tip: use it, but carefully

[simple wren]

it yeeted me out in the air 😦

[minor gust]

dont use it when ur far so u charge urself off

[timber lynx]

Put me right on the edge when i used it

[opaque citrus]

I wouldn’t

[neat crane]

Fury honestly could use a tier buff to the %bt dmg. Since we use it on less stacks now. 30-50% seems reasonable

[sharp wyvern]

does it not negate the pull in on sennarth ?

[fallen dome]

It does

[minor gust]

if they do or they dont idc Arms owns

[fallen dome]

Just don't use it right away and activate it after the pull happens

[timber lynx]

💯

[latent moss]

"buff"

[minor gust]

ima be enjoying my last tier of having giga rage before it gets taken away from me in TWW

[latent moss]

fury barely got buffed and arms

got a giga buff

[timber lynx]

didn’t fury vote for the poop tier set also lol

[minor gust]

the vote was supposed to be for gameplay

ppl wanted AM fury back

[timber lynx]

right

[unborn canyon]

Yeah, but the tuning was really bad

[neat crane]

Mind you, we were told shit was gonna be tuned accordingly. They just forgot how to tune fury properly

[minor gust]

unfortunatly

[timber lynx]

Not voting for the aura buff tier set

That sucks

Classic blizzard blunder though

[minor gust]

its pretty normal these days for Blizz to forget about warrior

[timber lynx]

Ill never forget.

What they took

[minor gust]

Give back big WW right now

[timber lynx]

Me like big WW

theres legit no other way to play it for arms

[minor gust]

if SOS is gonna be changed to a boring ass talent and FOB is still gonna be shit and dead

delete WW for arms

I dont want it

[timber lynx]

Agreed

[obsidian wave]

Why doesn’t arms use double blade storm spec anymore? Noticed everyone is using the other talent

[dire hinge]

we just lose a LOT of single target damage in keys, for not much more AoE gain

[minor gust]

you lose ST for taking double BS

[timber lynx]

you get ALOT more damage out of single bs

yeah

[nimble basin]

we use the s4 builds with 2 piece right? 2+2?

if so hypeee just got legs

[dire hinge]

2/2 is fine in keys, sim for single target if it's better or not (depends on ilvl)

[minor gust]

you can go 2+2 for M+

[nimble basin]

oh but not st raid? did i just fuck myself by selling old tier.. because... yeah..

xD

bit too happy

[obsidian wave]

And are you guys macroing leggo+bladestorm?

[chilly hull]

should i play cleave on council fight?>

[minor gust]

4pc is when arms becomes op

[dire hinge]

just recover it from the Buyback tab, or you an use Item Recovery https://us.battle.net/support/en/restoration

[unborn canyon]

Could buff merciless bone grinder to be +1000% damage instead or something

[minor gust]

you can if you want some ppl are I didnt can go full OG council build with double BS MBG and cleave

[dire hinge]

no, because you do not want to use the Lego inside of a Warbreaker window (it doesn't benefit from it). Youd want to lead with lego, or use it after your other cooldowns are over

[unborn canyon]

Though agreed, SoS change was really bad

[minor gust]

or just do normal M+ build with double BS is what I did

[dire hinge]

that, and both Lego and BS are on the GCD, so you cant macro them together to begin with

[obsidian wave]

You also avoid bladestorm in WB window? Since you can’t spend

[minor gust]

yeah I get it doesnt really work with the rage changes but like they didnt even try. All they had to do was nerf SOS WW to cost 40 rage instead of 60 to fit with new rage

[unborn canyon]

Yeah

[dire hinge]

you do want Bladestorm in the WB window because it is affected by WB's bonus damage (the lego is not)

[chilly hull]

got "new" 2set at the moment. how much % dps gain is 4p?

[unborn canyon]

Does he mean with ToM? Cause u don't ToM in m+ usually with BS

[dire hinge]

you wouldn't ToM with Bladestorm ever

[unborn canyon]

Yeah

[obsidian wave]

Ok ty. There was a video of macroing academy trink, leggo, and bs to minimize cast times but it must be outdated

[minor gust]

17%

[dire hinge]

unfortunately yes that's outdated, because Puzzlebox (academy trinket) now has a 1sec GCD so it cannot be macro'd

you'd now want to pre-puzzlebox

[latent moss]

17 is 0 to 4p

2p to 4p is still massive

[obsidian wave]

Rip the dream

[dire hinge]

that also only worked with double bladestorm, which you now don't really want to run anyways

[latent moss]

around 12%

2p to 4p

[minor gust]

ik I didnt bother lookin at 2-4pc just gave him the raw 4pc gain

either way its big

[unborn canyon]

It's big and chunky confirmed

[latent moss]

y

[obsidian wave]

Ok I think I had ToM and war breaker mixed up

Makes sense now

[minor gust]

im stuck at 3/4 until sunday when we finish mythic

[spare wadi]

is the jugg build still a thing from S3?

[minor gust]

just need 1 more token or else its waiting till next week for cata

[clever ore]

any1 knows when its worth to change tset?

[short spear]

man doing 2 different raids and losing every roll sucks

[timber lynx]

Sure does

Lost everything to a ret pally on tuesday 🤬

[short spear]

its like i wish i had the time back to do things that were fun

[timber lynx]

Bro got icon AND tier piece

[unborn canyon]

I watched another warrior get icon and 4 set

[timber lynx]

Oh god

[unborn canyon]

[timber lynx]

[unborn canyon]

No tier here btw

[timber lynx]

Love raiding

I got two pieces of gear i can cata but no actual tier yet same

[unborn canyon]

I'm glad for him cause he is my homie

But still feels bad

[timber lynx]

Our main tank sniped the boon that dropped and gave it to me though

cant be too mad

[unborn canyon]

Lol, nice

[timber lynx]

Yee

[short spear]

even tried lfr

and i rolled a 91. the last guy to roll hit a 94

[timber lynx]

Lfr is legit a waste of time if u want gear

theres no chance winning shit in lfr

I swear

[short spear]

its my last option for tier before weekly reset

[smoky kayak]

huge timewalking

[proper moth]

i mean i sniped 3/4 tier peices from lfr lol

[proper moth]

huge for the account

do the primal focus* do anything from VOTI?

[smoky kayak]

no

[timber lynx]

Yoo gotta do my tw today forgot

[obsidian wave]

0 tier enjoyer here as well

Losing rolls to gamers in blues still

[proper moth]

its hard for me to say cause ive been lucky af but its just first few weeks of fomo

[smoky kayak]

you can turn them into extra rep at an npc near the work order station, but nothing useful gear wise

[proper moth]

ty sir

[thorn sentinel]

what stats for herlooms do i want for leveling as arms from 10-70 ?

[short spear]

it really wouldnt matter for leveling

[thorn sentinel]

wait

hold on

who is making the wowhead guide for arms warriro ?

[hexed saddle]

archi

[short spear]

probably arch

[timber lynx]

Archi does I believe

[thorn sentinel]

Archi are you awake ?

[timber lynx]

[hexed saddle]

u can ping him brother

[thorn sentinel]

no

[short spear]

wait you can choose the stats on heirlooms now?

[thorn sentinel]

i am scared

[hexed saddle]

hes literally typing in fury

[short spear]

sounds pointless

[timber lynx]

He was just talking in here

yeah go ahead

[thorn sentinel]

becuse i am a causal player is it worth for me to use hekili herorotation or maxdps addon for both raid and m+ i find priority list hard

[smoky kayak]

if you need the help, use them

[thorn sentinel]

I feel i play better with them

sorry for asking

[smoky kayak]

then use them until you don't

[timber lynx]

If you think you do better with them use them yeah

No ones gonna say ur wrong for that

[thorn sentinel]

i wish it was a youtube guide for arms warrior for season 4

[proper moth]

there are a few

but for leveling it does not matter at all

[thick kelp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4MI2zdPB9Y

there u go

[zenith warren]

could you guys remind me cleave build opener? charge>tc>ava+wb>roar>cleave>bladestorm>cleave - smh like that?

[nimble basin]

sim is saying 2+2 is a 10k loss?

eh

[dire hinge]

depends on the ilvl you had before/after, but that sounds right

[nimble basin]

wait what, I thought 2+2 is meant to be better lol

[thorn sentinel]

ty

[white vale]

is the lego going to be 502 when we upgrade it next week?

[dire hinge]

in m+

[nimble basin]

yeh im simming for m+

[thorn sentinel]

so from what i heared from the video just press everything that blink ?

[nimble basin]

not st

[hexed saddle]

should be

[white vale]

just making sure i don't fuck myself with upgrading this mythic wep this week

[dire hinge]

if you upgrade a weapon this week, the only currency you "lose" is flightstones, since you can pump the axe up to the same ilvl without crests

[white vale]

yea that's what i was trying to figure out

if so cool

[nimble basin]

Anyone else who got 2+2, how much did the sim improve you? so confused. for m+

[proper moth]

that axe is going to 535 on tuesday

[reef glade]

running lfr just to get it

b4 raid

[proper moth]

best of luck

[reef glade]

will surely go donkey mode

[proper moth]

100%

also grieftorch lowkey op

3-4 on my total dmg profile atleast in ST

[reef glade]

I mean I think those kinds of damage trinkets always look like that early season

Your character doesn’t do as much damage cause it’s a lot lower ilvl than the trinket so trinket looks better

When you’re 30 ilvls higher the trinket will be a way smaller percentage of your damage

just cause right now trinket ilvl prolly a lot higher than Your average ilvl

i ripped a heroic augury out of first s3 vault and it was like 10% of my damage on any content

then max gear ofc not as good until it high rolls

[proper moth]

forsure

its just memey especially when people die in pugs

crank some stupid dps from that thing

hoping to snipe an icon from vault otherwise im spam farming the stupid statue from NO

[reef glade]

Mythic icon dropped gave it to restodruid :3

[proper moth]

pain

[reef glade]

would’ve been nice but w/e everyone wants it

[timber lynx]

Gonna be a brawl on who gets the first oce in my guild

[proper moth]

thatll prob be a bullion buy

[timber lynx]

if it doesnt drop first 100%

[old urchin]

Yeah I’m anticipating all my trinket and the cloak are gonna come from bullion.

[timber lynx]

prob

Same with the rings

[old urchin]

Yeah.

[timber lynx]

Everyone wants em

[old urchin]

We gonna be stacked 2 months from now

[proper moth]

kinda sux us lego users are 2 weeks behind everyone

[old urchin]

I’m 100% ok with it over having to get it to drop again.

[timber lynx]

Hey atleast they didnt make them 3

they definitely could have

[proper moth]

fair but thats like saying hey atleast you got pegged by 8in instead of 10 lmao

[timber lynx]

True

Nothing new for warrior players though

Getting pegged by blizzard all the time

[proper moth]

lol

well colossus will be different right?

[timber lynx]

Colossus goes HARD

i will admit im mega hype for it

[unborn canyon]

Colossus fucks

We do the pegging

[proper moth]

yeah im excited, idc if its not good dps i just want the biggest numbers in the game

[timber lynx]

Thats all i needed to hear

Was biggest numbers

[hazy jungle]

Do you overcap rage to dump overpower stacks when Whirlwind/Tclap are up outside of smash?

[reef glade]

uh I mean I would think ww is still prio over overpower, or at the very least maybe have 1 stack on cooldown cause ww guarantees it comes back

[halcyon breach]

Yes. Rage is only a resource you think about during Execute

[reef glade]

so if u have 2 op and rage to hit ww you hit op then ww

and go back to 2 op

get a “free” overpower like that

[halcyon breach]

OP > WW
or
2x OP > WW > 1x OP is very minor

[hazy jungle]

Gotcha, so overcapping is not really a concern with current Arms

[halcyon breach]

Yes

[hazy jungle]

Well at least, not a loss

[halcyon breach]

It's just the state of Arms rn

[reef glade]

always gonna overcap

[halcyon breach]

You have too much Rage and can't use it all

Until Execute that is

[hazy jungle]

It just

Thanks for the help!

[reef glade]

just if u don’t got ms or op to hit slam that ww

and cleave can just flat replace slam in m+

tho u don’t cleave st so

more slamming potentially, unless slam is just hard ignored for tclap too

[halcyon breach]

If you don't have CF talented, you don't press Slam

But even then, you can basically just completely ignore Slam and use TC, since you also don't have S3 4p to refresh Rend anymore

It also guarantees an OP reset

[reef glade]

S1 set broken but s3 felt better me thinks

big strong tclaps

[timber lynx]

massive ms’s coming this season though

once we have gear

[reef glade]

i hit like an 800k on second boss nokhud

Only 500 ilvl

easy 1.5mil ms’s inc

[timber lynx]

Thats what im saying

i had an 800k just about in raid on tuesday also

[hazy jungle]

Follow-up question. I noticed watching Critcake at times, during execture phase, he doesn't worry about pressing Mortal Strike at all and just spams executes. Why would that be? I was under the impression its still Mortal Strike with stacks on CD

[unborn canyon]

Someone post the prio pic

[unborn canyon]

Also that might be different this season cause of tier set

[hazy jungle]

Don't worry I got you

[unborn canyon]

Not that one

[timber lynx]

I believe it is bc of tier currently

its 2 exe>op> ms still yeah?

[hazy jungle]

Well that was my impression, but Critcake was doing 8 exe>ms>

When rage flooded

[reef glade]

never heard of 8 in a row before but I mean sometimes u don’t even gotta play perfectly but just girls just wanna have fun yknow

i mean I’d hit 8 exes in a row that sounds sick

[timber lynx]

Definitely executed like 5-6 times in a row before

its got a sexy animation

And sound

[reef glade]

But I think generally yeah you 3 exe > mortal strike if u have a ton of rage or if not some combination of 2 exe 1 op in whatever order > ms

[proper moth]

yeah, its pretty intuitive atleast for me but ive also been playing warrior for the last 15 years x.x

[dire hinge]

this would only be with the Season 3 tier, dont do this with Season 4

[unborn canyon]

Found it

Oh wait fuck

That's an old one

[dire hinge]

that's the old one yes

[unborn canyon]

But yeah

[dire hinge]

basically MS -> 3 spells -> MS
If you're over 40 rage Execute
If you're under 40 rage Overpower

[gaunt owl]

stop stealing my works

[unborn canyon]

Sorry homie, credit to you

[opaque citrus]

So execute if you will have enough rage to MS

[unborn canyon]

Just had to find it cause easier than typing

[opaque citrus]

Is the rule of thumb I’ve gone by

[dire hinge]

slightly more (MS is 30)

[opaque citrus]

Doesn’t execute refund some

[gaunt owl]

its like this now

[unborn canyon]

Nice, ty homie

[opaque citrus]

How about you execute me

[gaunt owl]

gonna graba yogurt in my fridge

[unborn canyon]

[gaunt owl]

not sure if its male

[dire hinge]

it does, 10%, which would be 4 rage on a 40 cast

[opaque citrus]

Oh LMAO I’m thinking of something else

[opaque citrus]

Well it’s my property regardless

[gaunt owl]

isnt it 20% refund with both talent ?

[mortal crag]

does arms 2p2p?

[opaque citrus]

Hand it over, inferior specimen

[gaunt owl]

i'm gonna embrace the yogurt male

[opaque citrus]

In keys yes I’m not sure in raid

[dire hinge]

ah yyeah forgot Critical Thinking refunds

[opaque citrus]

My man 🤝

[sage badge]

Make the number go up

[gaunt owl]

my power is fading

i have a secret strat

but its unethical

[sage badge]

It's okay, I only have 1 out of 4 tier pieces this week

[dire hinge]

same

[unborn canyon]

Same

[gaunt owl]

clearing raid on saturday / sunday

so maybe Tmy will let me have the loots

[opaque citrus]

TFW trial on my arms warrior so no loot prio

And tank on my main so no loot prio

Life is pain

[spark mango]

guys

does season 1 tier set with eb change our st rotation

[dire hinge]

no, it just means Mortal Strike becomes available more frequently

same priority

[spark mango]

like during execute phase with juggernaut, do we use execute like before?

2x execute into mortal strike or as filler?

ok

[dire hinge]

#arms message

we just talked about this a few lines above, for context

[chilly hull]

is it good to take cleave in talents for M+?

[dire hinge]

with more than 2 piece of Season 4 tier, yes

[gritty rapids]

if I upgrade a normal weap to 6/6 hero 522 ilvl, will I be able to upgrade the axe up to that ilvl only with flightstones?

[dire hinge]

correct!

[gritty rapids]

niiiice, got a huge upgrade then

ty!

[dire hinge]

grats! and i hope the refarming of flightstones go quick for you

[gritty rapids]

yea I cant even upgrade it rn to 6/6 hero LMAO

flightstones grind is kinda of a pain

doing the A World Awoken helps tho

[opaque citrus]

It doesn’t seem terrible with the weekly

[thick kelp]

wtf are u cooking now 🤨

[gaunt owl]

[smoky kayak]

just set it to 100, really good guys!

[gaunt owl]

there is nothing secret

[dire hinge]

i set it to 120% uptime and it went even higher

[smoky kayak]

over 100%!?

https://tenor.com/view/mean-girls-lindsay-lohan-the-limit-does-not-exist-math-no-limit-gif-3546827

[thick kelp]

holy elitist

[dire hinge]

haha, your Fractured Mirror little dude shows up and he's also wearing it (not real)

[naive sage]

Can somebody drop the simc for consuimables?

[keen bear]

hey,
how does 2x 2p perform on arms? is it worth or do I keep my old 4set til new 4set?

[dusty summit]

sim it, was worth it for me

[dire hinge]

feel free to use 2/2 for M+, but sim for single target

[keen bear]

thanks

[maiden moat]

Hey, how much crest /flightstone Do i need for Upgrade legy next week?

[dire hinge]

from 502 to max it takes 60 wyrms and 90 aspects, i dont know the flightstone cost off the top of my head

[finite mantle]

guy hit a black flash like we wouldn’t notice

[naive sage]

Ty king

[gaunt owl]

Hard mode DOTI give 509 ilvl loots

[latent moss]

hero track

thats actually crazy

[sage badge]

I'm just gonna catalyze on cooldown and get 4p by week 4.

Wait. Week 3. I forgot I got 2k io

[finite mantle]

[hazy flower]

you only get 1 item guaranteed so dont set your hopes too high but yeah still a worthwile content

[proper moth]

pray for trinket

[agile dove]

for execute phase, would you use execute twice then overpower into mortal strike? or just execute twice into mortal strike

[dire hinge]

timewalking raid netted me a 506 ring with a socket

[proper moth]

man i got a shitty crit/vers cloak lol

[boreal quartz]

i got boots

[dire hinge]

so the goal is to MS -> 3 Spells -> MS again
You want 2 of those spells to be Execute before you MS again.
To determine those three spells:

• Execute if you're above 40 rage
• Overpower if you're below 40 rage

so sometimes it's MS - [Exe/Exe/Exe] - MS, sometimes it's MS - [Exe/Exe/OP] - MS

[agile dove]

oh ok! thanks, currently learning arms so this will come in handy!

[dire hinge]

of course!

The easy way is as you mentioned, just always use an Overpower in there, but eventually you may have excess rage, so you can send a 3rd execute without issue

[naive sage]

This is with new set right? With s3 you still do 2xExe 2xOP?

[dire hinge]

it's tier agnostic, useable regardless of what set you have atm

there was a breifly-lived variant for Season 3 where you'd spam execute, but it was only a small gain over the one mentioned above (and that execute spam one ONLY worked with season 3 tier)

[agile dove]

is there anywhere i can see the opener for arms?

[boreal quartz]

charge roar ava cs ms tc ww kinda

doesnt matter

[olive nest]

Wait for real? Only one loot

[hazy flower]

yes

I did full hardmode like 7 hours ago

only got shitty gorehowl

[olive nest]

Is it like a end of key chest or something

Or you just got real unluck

[hazy flower]

I cannot recall the loot of other people

but you loot each boss individually

[olive nest]

Oh right right

[hazy flower]

but

[olive nest]

That’s what I thought

[hazy flower]

I am pretty damn sure

that you can get at least 2

last boss dropped 2 mirrors

kekw

[olive nest]

Oof

[hazy flower]

not that I care much

yeah I just dm'd a friend and he said he got 2

[proper moth]

i forgot how you trigger hard mode i did it once when it first came out lmao

[hazy flower]

you have an npc and say you want to play hard mode

[daring heron]

4p gaming now

[proper moth]

[dire hinge]

grats man!

my honest face rn

[proper moth]

lmao

that stupid thing wont drop for me

[feral jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-hell-yeah-stone-cold-steve-austin-gif-15427202

[olive nest]

HAH! It’s gum gum

[upper coyote]

is 2/2 set is good ?

[whole steppe]

can you guys link season 4 talents for m+

2/2 set i am using

[minor gust]

Time to beat the pink class

[proper moth]

still need more gear for that

ret is dumb rn

[dire hinge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/talent-builds-pve-dps#mythic-talent-builds

[fossil thistle]

Currently running 2/2 myself

For cleave, is it 4+ targets?

[whole steppe]

thanks but there are 4 different talents, how do i know which one is better

[fossil thistle]

@rizz they're all different

[dire hinge]

play whichever one you want, but Warlords (the default one selected there) is likely the best

[fossil thistle]

Warlord's bladestorm is probably the closest to S3

[obsidian wave]

is wowhead > icyveins?

[dire hinge]

same content, same writer

[whole steppe]

depends to writer

[proper moth]

archi on wowhead> archi on icyveins

[olive nest]

3+ targets without SS active
5+ targets with SS active

[fossil thistle]

@olive nest Okay, Would I still be using SS+MS even on 5+?

[olive nest]

Only if the pull requires you to prio a target

[fossil thistle]

Calculations being cleave hitting 226k on 5 mobs w/ 2x overpower -> SS+MS hitting for 150k

[olive nest]

For optimal pad you would not ms if cleave was castable at 5+

[fossil thistle]

Fair

ok

iirc there was a weakaura that calculated mobs in range?

[olive nest]

I typically just use eyes

WA probably exists

[dire hinge]

unsure if that still works after the smolderon updates to range checks

[fossil thistle]

What do you do if you're partially blind 😄

[prisma heart]

lament

[fossil thistle]

😂

[dire hinge]

honestly you're probably fine to just send cleave if you see "many healthbars", unless you know one mob has higher health than the others and needs to die faster

[fossil thistle]

That's fair

I take it SS+MS for packs like Nokhud before 3rd boss, the champions that do the volley bolts?

[dire hinge]

or you can just kick the volleys yeah

if you want/need to apply more pressure to a specific mob, that's when MS comes into play

[fossil thistle]

Okay

[dire hinge]

or when there's a fewer amount of healthbars

[fossil thistle]

I never played S1/S2 arms so cleave is foreign to me for the most part. My first M+ with it was a +2 and everything was small packs so

[dire hinge]

that's understandable! The big thing to remember is that you dont really want to use it on single target, since Cleave consumes your Martial Prowess (Overpower buff) stacks

[sage badge]

#ui-addons-manager message
This is what I have.

Shows mob count within 8y

[fossil thistle]

Yup! I was able to figure out the basics of it's interaction with everything, I guess i just over think the optimization of target count vs SS damage

I'd still use SS to overpower seismic slams on multi target though?

[dire hinge]

yeah, Dreadnaught* is extremely large amounts of your damage

to the point where if you combine Overpower and Dreadnaught damage together it often outweighs most other abilities

[fossil thistle]

Thank you, I remember seeing I just coudln't find it lol

[regal echo]

are we going 2 set as soon as we have it or wait for 4 set?

[fossil thistle]

Yea dreadnaught 😂 idk why I was thinking seismic slam

[dire hinge]

2/2 is fine for m+, but you'll want to sim for single target

[fossil thistle]

I was simming higher ST with 4 piece (all 489) over 2 pc (502/502)

[fossil thistle]

I love the set, personally I like to use the Savage Champion's Tusks. Also, big ilvl. Looking forward to your videos this season 😎

[storm lark]

How much is BS SoA stronger then juggernaut for m+ with 4 set? I dont really like BS playstyle

[dire hinge]

this one is hard to sim for accurately since it heavily depends on your juggernaut uptime

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-yes-bruna-marquezine-bruna-marquezine-gif-6268558446532766506

[dire hinge]

sims will always skew Jugg's performance higher than you'd expect it to perform, iirc

but yes you can run it, it's fine if you really dislike bladestorm

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2xMgnMM5Udo8mpn9n3gx8IymKNabO-jg3LnE7LQV_t-EjQPcAzqiDdjztIOwZW/pubhtml

[fossil thistle]

^ I was going to say i think in full bis they're all within 0.5%

[dire hinge]

yeah all similar, with the caveat that jugg likely oversims

[storm lark]

This is why am i asking beacuse juggernaut sims better but 99% of arms warriors play BS

[vernal nimbus]

hey guys is it new 2p over old 4p?

[dire hinge]

2/2 is fine for m+, but sim for single target based on what gear you have

[fossil thistle]

I was simming higher 4pc in ST over 2/2 with 502 2pc and 489 2pc (496 ilvl)

But tbh

They were within ~500 dps

[minor gust]

because BS is fun

[timber lynx]

Me like to spin

yes

[calm hollow]

your party gets a loot from each boss

[nimble basin]

it was a net loss in damage for me for both St and m+

so staying old 4pc till 4pc new tier I guess.

[nimble basin]

did you sim for m+ too?

[quaint otter]

weak trinkets
😳

[strange perch]

Nokhud trinket good??

Is our goal not puzzlebox?

[calm hollow]

brother, it probably just simmed better

than his old ones

[reef glade]

4 brackenhide

actually crazy how fun arms is tho

[proper moth]

back must hurt

[strange perch]

Tru

[strange perch]

How much of that is deep wounds

[minor gust]

no 4 set cant pump

[minor gust]

[strange perch]

Whoag dn dam

[dire hinge]

hell yeah OP representing 18% of your overall baby

[reef glade]

dn very large

[outer holly]

I love DN

[strange perch]

Ill have to post one of my overalls from 8 wheni get home

Arms 4p poooomps

[minor gust]

4 set comparison xd

[reef glade]

:3