Funny how they got nerfed then brought back to a better spot
#arms
steep osprey
I'm deciding what to play
warrior probably my main, but I'm deciding between a second char lol
opaque citrus
Spriest is insane still
Deva looks interesting if you like casters
Finally has its time to shine maybe
steep osprey
I wanna play spriest but im not looking forward to playing until i get the tier set that i like
Devastation is fun but the issue with it is the goofy lizards
I like it when my character looks good
it turns me off if it looks ugly
their walking animation is stupid
steep osprey
no one is talking about warlocks
im talking about shadow priests and devastation evokers
quasi torrent
spriest is just void warlock
quasi torrent
it turns me off if it looks ugly
just uh recal m8
clever crag
simple wren
maybe stupid question, but i guess i switch to next set with 2p?
boreal quartz
Ye cuz of the ilvl
simple wren
thought so. ty!
boreal quartz
Ye cuz of the ilvl
mint delta
got itt
zenith warren
for juggernaut m+ build do you guys run strenght of arms over improved ss?
winged brook
boreal quartz
for juggernaut m+ build do you guys run strenght of arms over improved ss?
Soa generally better unless u need 2t
dire spade
Q: Should I play Arms or Fury in raid?
A: Arms is currently better, but Fury is fairly close. Play the one you prefer.
Is this still true? I havent played since start of season 2 and am totally out of the loop
Also what about m+? on warcraftlogs most seem to be fury
dire spade
arms is better at everything atm
thank you very much friend!
opaque citrus
for juggernaut m+ build do you guys run strenght of arms over improved ss?
Always have generally speaking
Overpower goes crazy
And I believe dreadnaught gets the bonus as well? Someone pls correct if I’m wrong
opaque citrus
So yeah strength of arms unless specifically need the 2T
ebon zealot
does it make sense to go for the tier set bonus asap or should I wait for a certain ilvl for it to make sense?
opaque citrus
I think you go 2/2 right away
ebon zealot
okay, thank you
latent moss
you can just sim it
2p/2p is 4k behind without accounting for ilvl difference
so its most likely ahead
but idk ur gear
sly venture
Is +7 keys mythic gear in vault but lowest rank?
unborn canyon
I think u need 8s
south merlin
I switched from Furry to Arms yesterday...any advices 😅
I tried to look in wow head
unborn canyon
Press MS, win
sly venture
Switch to Arms when u have set bonus, Fury still good if u have lile bis gear
south merlin
S4 guides are there
But I wanna know for the previous tire what build I use
sly venture
I think u need 8s
Aight
south merlin
Switch to Arms when u have set bonus, Fury still good if u have lile bis gear
Adjusted some gems and enchants. Doing well compared to a 1 days arms warrior :p with most of furry items
fresh spire
Best thing with arms is that swapping gear from fury isn't as cringe as arms to fury
Just get a little haste and crit life good
fresh spire
Who doesnt. Not like its game defining though. Kill any weakauras you got for it and play game
boreal quartz
i hat etom
Ur playing m+ no
steep osprey
not sure i wanna play this season, not really excited for it
thought maybe i'd be more excited
break until tww i guess
gaunt owl
Those warlock main 
steep osprey
im not a warlock main lmao
thorn sentinel
What item level do superbloom give in s4 ?
bronze nest
Question
Roar before or after WB/CS
?
I have a feeling it is better to throw it before
boreal quartz
St before aoe after
nimble yoke
is it possible to get warcraftlogs to show any info? or is it actually too early that not enough boss kills have happened?
ionic tapir
dont know if somebody already mentioned or im stupid but when crafting vers wrist you cant get shadowflame bracers cuz thats the same slot. are hands meant or craft something on shoes/belt?
nimble yoke
It's possible
how do
halcyon breach
dont know if somebody already mentioned or im stupid but when crafting vers wri...
You'd craft Shadowflame on a cloak if you use Vers wrists
ionic tapir
You'd craft Shadowflame on a cloak if you use Vers wrists
but what about the sark cloak
halcyon breach
Idk put it on boots or something
It doesn't really matter in the end
Sark cloak is honestly fairly minor
nimble yoke
Just go to rankings as usual
just can't see the graphs atm
halcyon breach
And I wouldn't personally prio it high
boreal quartz
just can't see the graphs atm
Guess the site doesnt have enough logs yet then
Though im no wcl employee or something
quasi torrent
Sark cloak is honestly fairly minor
big for PAMP bro
halcyon breach
big for PAMP bro
PAMP less copium into your body
quasi torrent
blast more börst
boreal quartz
Andapampers
lethal stream
wahts trinckets bis for arms?
?
boreal quartz
tbh im just tryna see whats op
Devoker/arm do the most sim dam but raid isnt a sim
Wcyd
nimble yoke
ayo arm?
boreal quartz
Yes
native dawn
in ST situations, I want to be cancelling bladestorm asap right? or keep it rolling?
sterile gazelle
Can we still farm for legendary, do our improved chances from the item stay or reset?
sterile gazelle
Oh so that's possible too, ty
olive nest
Uh just to clarify you have to have the original one
The dinar item is just to upgrade it to the new item level
eager solstice
is arms from 4pc to 4pc
also once in current 4pc is arms just better in all content atm?
bleak fog
you cold get so many need items from weekly timewalking Q.. But
finite ginkgo
Where do we get the bullion quest ?
normal mason
this seems decent for start of season for hunt weekly
opaque citrus
Yeah it sims pretty well for me
I’m using the arrowhead right now that gives mastery
It’s surprisingly really high uptime
boreal quartz
in ST situations, I want to be cancelling bladestorm asap right? or keep it roll...
Ur never playing bs without hurricane
You cant cancel
bronze loom
tw bag
quasi torrent
seven
bronze nest
👏
weak wave
With the Warlord Torment M+ build - do we use BS-> Avatar-> Warbreaker-> Dragon Roar or BS after Avatar and Warbreaker?
maiden prawn
anyone deal with this BS with necks where if you get one that has a socket already on it you cant put any more on it?
lone imp
Are you using gold settings
lone imp
rip
olive nest
With the Warlord Torment M+ build - do we use BS-> Avatar-> Warbreaker-> Dragon ...
The idea of Double bladestorm is to extend the hurricane buff for maximum aoe
So you would use avatars procd BS first
Fit in a few globals like WB Troar OP before the hurricane buff falls of and then use the hardcast BS
weak wave
The idea of Double bladestorm is to extend the hurricane buff for maximum aoe
Yes but the "new" M+ build doesn't have an Avatar-BS anymore
olive nest
Oh word you did type “warlords”
In that case you charge TC avatar wb Troar BS
SS after BS ends
And start aoe prio
weak wave
Alright thanks 🙂
olive nest
fading sage
Is it a smart idea to hold all aspect crests for next week for the leggo?
slow saddle
It is an idea
But if u get a weap now
U can also just send it this week
A d next week u need only flightstones?
cursive sun
wheres the buillon guide?
exotic kestrel
cant get it through m+ right
cursive sun
yh
slow saddle
Imma go leggo rings cloak
olive nest
Parsgodx
I’m probably doing cloak but haven’t decided when
I have no plans on doing keys higher than farm keys so the stam loss probably wouldn’t matter
thorn sentinel
what level and item level can i do
cerulean egret
is the weekly quest only meant to give you half of a spark?
opaque citrus
Yes
cerulean egret
what level and item level can i do
level 60
fathom hedge
What is going to be better this season arms or fury?
opaque citrus
Whatever you like more
opaque citrus
Arms numerically is looking stronger
Plus you don’t have to farm a second rare weapon (ashkandur)
charred brook
this might be dumb, but do the time rifts count as a hunt for the weekly spark quest
tardy shoal
i feel like fury will feel clunky trying to fit in the lego with s2 gameplay
cerulean egret
No idea, only did one at max level, however they became available for my alt upon hitting 60
opaque citrus
this might be dumb, but do the time rifts count as a hunt for the weekly spark q...
No
charred brook
damn
opaque citrus
You need to do proper s1/10.0 world content
charred brook
so basically wait for a hunt to come up
opaque citrus
They’re up all the time
Basically
They just don’t always show on the zone map until you’re in the zone
charred brook
ohhh i see
tender pecan
any hopium?
late nacelle
mad shite
teal fossil
mad mid
raven iris
Arms viability in raid this tier, big or nah?
opaque citrus
Big
raven iris
I main survival typically so I'm unfamiliar with warr dps
opaque citrus
Arms with new tier does a shitload of damage
raven iris
Hmm gotcha
Gonna have to work on that
I'm trying to gear my warr so we actually have tanks for guild M+
dreamy egret
so they dont take aspect crests to upgrade heroic pieces to mythic apperances or can you not unlock mythic apperances with heroic items now?
dull siren
There is tech 🤓
You can do timewalking quest in Black Temple and Black Temple has another quest that gives you another Hero Track piece
dreamy egret
sometimes you get fucked though
dull siren
L
lone imp
What’s the execute prio pic for t31? Swapping today but don’t have t32 yet
gaunt ginkgo
opal folio
eager solstice
do we swap at 2 or 4 pc
lyric lark
Is fyralath dot doing way less damage now or is it just me?
brazen sigil
Which build are you all planning to use for M+ this season? I tried the cleave/BS jack of all trades build but didn’t like it and had trouble finding reason to even press cleave. Ran the juggernaut M+ build a few times and it’s decent but going to be outclassed in aoe
astral yarrow
@quasi torrent tell the man that the name banges
lone imp
thank you
brazen sigil
Also the cleave build with ignore pain is like way too many buttons.
lone imp
huh
gaunt ginkgo
Basically last season's m+ build but with cleave
Or something like that
At least for me
astral yarrow
dont bother playing cleave until you actually have the tier set
brazen sigil
That’s kind of what I ran. Still with 4 piece it feels like cleave isn’t very strong.
lone imp
Does this mean even if I have 2 op and 2 exe buffs but have more than 40 rage I hit execute
slow saddle
i mean seeing we upgrading weapon next week
brazen sigil
Maybe i’m wrong but overpower seems to be hitting harder than cleave.
lone imp
Maybe i’m wrong but overpower seems to be hitting harder than cleave.
Well, do you have t32?
brazen sigil
Well, do you have t32?
I have 4 piece awakened tier
slow saddle
i mean still worth t32 op should be bigger no ?
opal folio
Which build are you all planning to use for M+ this season? I tried the cleave/B...
I’m playing juggernaut since tyrannical bosses take some time with our current gear
slow saddle
cleave is still just there when we dont have sweepin up i presume
slow saddle
I’m playing juggernaut since tyrannical bosses take some time with our current g...
hmm that might not actually be a bad take 😛
lone imp
You press cleave with ss up at 5 tar I believe
opal folio
From next week onwards I’ll probably go bladestorm
brazen sigil
Yeah, which is still not all that often and I guess maybe the key level I pugged was too easy so things dying too quickly
lone imp
and cleave without ss at 3
astral yarrow
i wish i remembered that stuff instead of just doing it
brazen sigil
I only did a few 6/7’s I think since it was late and idiots were out
slow saddle
You press cleave with ss up at 5 tar I believe
wait cleave that strong now ?
astral yarrow
with tier
slow saddle
well but cleave has cd so u still op in between i gues
steep osprey
Thought I’d be more excited to play, but this season is mid
halcyon breach
What did you expect?
lone imp
wait cleave that strong now ?
With tier hell yeah it is
steep osprey
What did you expect?
Nothing
astral yarrow
so far feels like S1 xd
slow saddle
yeah
i mean ngl i had forgottetn how annyoing some of the df dungeons were
looking at u azure vault
halcyon breach
All the DF dungeons are ass
steep osprey
I never forgot
grave cedar
I missed algethar
dreamy egret
all the df dungeons suck because you constantly have to watch where your feet are
slow saddle
bob ngl i kindda agree with you
everything cleave
or drops puddles
some do both
or u step out
gaunt ginkgo
Does this mean even if I have 2 op and 2 exe buffs but have more than 40 rage I ...
You hit what's outside of the brackets based on conditions met inside.
So first line is you hit MS if you have 2 OP + 2 EP
Second is MS if 2 EP + 1 OP + CS + ToM overlap
etc
slow saddle
uptime in df dungeons is
lone imp
You hit what's outside of the brackets based on conditions met inside.
So first ...
Yeah I get that much
steep osprey
Somethings always trying to hit you
steep osprey
Timewalking chest gave me a s3 curio????
lone imp
I just wasn't sure if top line was biggest prio
nimble basin
so switched to arms learning it, using crits build s3 tier, he doesn't always stack 2 overpowers before MS?
I'm getting a little confused on prio Sudden death above all? then overpower into ms with either 1 or 2 stacks?
sorry is sounding stupid, just all new to me this side of things
dreamy egret
big off
nimble basin
feel like im doing okay, but not the best compared to other dps but thats most likely on me just trying to improve
gaunt ginkgo
I just wasn't sure if top line was biggest prio
Kind'a/sort'a. It's just a context list. You can also just ignore it and do the t32 exe prio and it's almost the same
slow saddle
whre do u get the season 4 recipe as enchanter to make that shit thingy ?
slow saddle
so switched to arms learning it, using crits build s3 tier, he doesn't always st...
well i send SD when i get it in old tier
if not then OP in bigger packs
ms if i wanna kill prio targets
and in gen u wanna kill prio targets
so u want overall or speed in dungeon
nimble basin
fair, but dont need to do 2 stacks of op on ms?
slow saddle
all depends
are u in heavy aoe ?
then id deffo 2 x op before ms
if in ST i send MS On cd
nimble basin
ah i see
nimble basin
yeh thats what I need to get better at next, more specific usage of stuff depending on number of targets
also, his opener seems to be thunderclap , ava , tr , warbreaker into bladestorm, is that right? then SS after.
slow saddle
i mean if u make sure u send as many OP's as possible Aoe will be fine 😄
nimble basin
old tier btw
slow saddle
yes
nimble basin
thanks for the help btw
quasi torrent
<@173741974493462528> tell the man that the name banges
best thing is we werent even grouped
chilly hull
can u guys tell me some tips how to be meele? just rolled for arms. played ranged for 3 years :C im taking on my face every frontal on dungs
unborn canyon
Just have the game blast your ears out every time you die so you train yourself to never die, out of fear of ear explosion
gaunt ginkgo
Good nameplates that highlights what mobs do a frontal, possibly a WA that alerts you when the frontal is happening, and just getting used to it
eager solstice
do we swap at 2 or 4 pc
thick kelp
2pc
wheat parrot
Where is this from?
soft drift
we are playing S3 spec for both M+ and raid till we get S4 tier sets?
fresh spire
He fucked up his axe and it canceled imo
If you charge and axe right away it breaks it
Like during charge
young pumice
cast times still sus no? quicker than gcd
fresh spire
Not aure
fresh spire
Not sure about the rest tho pretty weird
Maybe log issue. Doubt he pressed roar ms and op in a gcd
Even when lust its no where close
Man's lagging
gaunt ginkgo
Where is this from?
I searched for it, but someone else made it when updating APL for s3 afaik
soft drift
guys, are we using S3 BS build till we get S4 tier set?
dreamy egret
so is puzzlebox useless?
steep osprey
why would it be
spare goblet
Do you guys have a YouTube guide/content creator that you trust for Arms?
(like biceps for DK)
proper moth
Puzzle box isn’t as good because of channel correct
nova marsh
The channel isn't the end of the world tbh
But arms has never liked channels. The only reason we loved it in s1 was because we could get the huge damage with no downside via ava bs
wise sable
He fucked up his axe and it canceled imo
this is true, i've done this several times
and it SUCKS
proper moth
Ruby welp shard bait?
tired sinew
hihi sorry i saw the pin and archi mentioned craft vers wrist.. or shadowflame bracers... isnt that the same thing? did i miss a clarification somewhere?
olive nest
hihi sorry i saw the pin and archi mentioned craft vers wrist.. or shadowflame b...
Ye if you do vers wrist you’d do sf somewhere else
normal mason
Do you guys have a YouTube guide/content creator that you trust for Arms?
Critcake or jeventes
Wish revvez did m+ and streamed besides rwf but he never does. Man of mystery
wise sable
man why all the good trinkets gotta come from raids
sharp wyvern
what ebemlishments are we usuing ?
proper moth
Same as always double flame or wrists+flame
tardy shoal
pins says Vers Wrist and either Shadowflame bracers or BSL neck
raven iris
I made the haste buff pants as a meme last season and I refuse to take them off now
opaque citrus
Ruby welp shard bait?
Always has been
opaque citrus
(like biceps for DK)
fringe moon
anybody know how much DPS 2pc and 4pc give?
teal fossil
idk if raw numbers matter especially since you have to consider the context of ilevel and stat distributions
wise sable
so.....is rocking OCE + Icon ever bad? it just sort of seems like stacking free stats, which seems good for just like...general use?
wise sable
ah so without all 3 roles it starts falling behind?
sour forge
If you get it naturally I’m sure it’s a fine trink to have
wise sable
is that why OCE pulls ahead?
sour forge
Isn’t oce kinda the same though
wise sable
wise sable
like OCE is "more for you, less for me"
it's like Icon's bigger brother who passed calc 2
brave hare
tank or heal without icon you just dont get the proc entirely
brave hare
boon claps for m+
sour forge
boon claps for m+
wise sable
but could be hella dangerous depending on when you activate it?
brave hare
pips and brand atm actually
wise sable
how good IS grieftorch? i don't see it anywhere on our like...trinket meters
sour forge
10s is a long time
wise sable
THAT SAID it is kind of dependent on how much your team sucks
echo grotto
how good IS grieftorch? i don't see it anywhere on our like...trinket meters
depends on your raid
sour forge
I mean it’s good for flat dmg and gets better if people die
wise sable
like...ok let me show you what i'm working on
unborn canyon
Just get your shamans to suicide and reincarn
wise sable
currently just making myself a "shopping list" of shit to get. MAINLY going to fill out the filler gear section just so i know what M+ to farm for the right statted pieces, but the main other section i'm hella unsure about it what trinkets are good/best for what
(especially since my guild does such weird/inconsistent loot rules)
lone imp
unborn canyon
Eh
velvet vessel
how is this not working ```#showtooltip
/cast Avatar
/use 14
/cast Blood Fury
/cast Colossus Smash
/cast Thunderous Roar
You have 2 GCD abilities in it
wise sable
like what are our 2 BiS trinkets for m+/heavy aoe/cleave fights?
unborn canyon
CS and TR are both gcd
lone imp
CS and TR
halcyon breach
Yes
unborn canyon
Yes
unborn canyon
Oh, that was to the macro dude
wise sable
OH lmao i'm dumb sorry
i'm on a mac and i'm constantly swapping back and forth between multiple screens so i'm only like half catching this conversation
velvet vessel
i don't have all the abreviations memorized 😭
colossus smash and roar btw
wise sable
yeah i got that, ty tho 🫠
spare goblet
https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-does-he-know-gif-26833694
Educate me
lone imp
Did they change how we use puzzy b now? Do we pre-cast it before charging in or do we solve in bs?
wise sable
I know I copied this mostly identically from Archi's list on Wowhead but how does my trinket choice look? do I have them like......allotted properly? I'm sort of all over the place chasing trinkets but if I can get my hands on a good one, I want to make sure i'm using it's like...."correctly"
(Bold = BiS, Italics = weird/conditional usage)
lone imp
I been having fun in keys
steep osprey
same
steep osprey
i don't ahve it
lone imp
you are it
steep osprey
lmao
wise sable
i just imagine you like
furiously shifting a rubix cube as an axe flies towards your face
lone imp
Yeah why they give hard puzzle to dumb class
increased solve time if brown name
like wtf
just let me game
wise sable
this is why i am opting for irideus fragment instead
don't want to bother with the puzzle box PLUS i am biased
back in s1, when i mained BM hunter, the only 2 trinkets i could get my hands on were a grieftorch from my vault, and a puzzle box
AND BOTH OF THOSE FORCED YOU TO STAND STILL TO USE THEM which was antithetical to my BM hunter brain
lone imp
Yeah I mean, it's first 24 hours, I'm using what I have available to me lol
thick kelp
irideus kek
wise sable
accelerating sandglass what happened to you
at least for irideus' fragment you don't lose a stack when you take damage, only when you use an ability
so once you buy the upgrade thingy for axe, it becomes a default track item that needs upgrading right? like it doesn't just jump straight to 535 or whatever?
west tusk
can someone tell me what is opener order including potion
thorn sentinel
do arms warrior have lot of buttons for both raid and m+ in s4 ?
lean geode
No
thorn sentinel
i feel i play better with rotation addon but if i needed to choice with one is better to use hekili herorotation or maxdps
lean geode
I use hekili for some of my alts and it's pretty good, I don't think it works particularly well for arms though
Most of arms is about anticipating cooldown resets, and hekili isn't great for that
I mean the addon is fine for it, but you're reacting to the addon reacting to the proc instead of you anticipating the proc
thorn sentinel
i just want a main for s4 but i cant decide i dont like classes that have lot of buttons
gaunt owl
Most of arms is about anticipating cooldown resets, and hekili isn't great for t...
have faster reflex
the addon gonna go fast
lean geode
I think default hekili poll rate is like 100ms or something
Plus like 200 for you to react to it re-ordering
gaunt owl
GCD is 1sec
fading sage
ST is straight forward; m+ is knowing when to use cleave vs ms and ss
lean geode
I mean arms is easy anyways, you shouldn't really need to use hekili
west tusk
AOE opener please
lean geode
I'm just describing my perception of how well the addon works for the spec
thorn sentinel
Becuse i didnt had good logs sine bfa + i lost it would arms be a good idea to main in s4
i want to both raid and m+
lean geode
AOE opener please
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
Under "Arms Warrior Multitarget Rotations"
west tusk
im asking for opener with pot
lean geode
Your opener is basically just charge > rotation, it's not a scripted opener like some other specs
Pot with your avatar
Well, if you're playing blademaster's torment you'd pot after your avatar-triggered bs ends
ebon hollow
does the stat prio change with the other tset?
lean geode
does the stat prio change with the other tset?
If raidbots says it does, then yes
In general you'll still be haste > crit, but in practice it depends on what gear you actually have available to you
teal fossil
I mean arms is easy anyways, you shouldn't really need to use hekili
thats cuz we play the spec
hekili enables anyone to get CE
fading sage
Is MBG worth taking in m+ with the new 4pc or is it too aoe heavy?
teal fossil
some world last guilds wouldnt be world last if they had hekili
thick kelp
some world last guilds wouldnt be world last if they had hekili
too real
lean geode
hekili enables anyone to get CE
I generally agree but hekili doesn't do mechanics for you
My outlaw parses last tier with hekili and half an idea what I was doing
chrome lichen
is there a nice WA for s4 keys?
lean geode
(I will not be sharing the uncropped screenshot)
lean geode
is there a nice WA for s4 keys?
Causese weakaura pack is giga
chrome lichen
Causese weakaura pack is giga
link?
zealous basin
So what are we crafting first besides versa bracers
i mean in which piece we put the flame patch
lean geode
wowhead guide says boots
zealous basin
boots uh
chrome lichen
tyty
lean geode
dreamy egret
I upgraded boots because I didnt want to lose the socket lol
zealous basin
i got socket on wrist so it's basically the same
- i have to get rid of cloack with patch
dreamy egret
getting shit groups that cant time 6s is really frustrating but atleast im getting IO
yeah you can get a timewalking cloak and upgrade it
thats what I did 489 cloak boom lol
thorn sentinel
Are arms warrior hard to learn in priority list ?
misty bridge
nope
latent moss
in aoe its clunky asf
whole steppe
guys i am spending overpower when i can't mortal strike/execute for single target
this is how supposed to be right?
latent moss
st build?
whole steppe
basically always using mortal strike without no delay
latent moss
u send ms every 2 executes in exe
its ms -> exe -> exe -> exe/op -> ms
exe/op depends on ur rage
lean geode
are we playing 2 set 2 set ?
but probably 2/2
violet steeple
It's pretty clunky but I'm like 15 keys in, droppin 410-430ish overall now and we're 2 chestin 10s easily
lean geode
this is how supposed to be right?
lean geode
It's pretty clunky but I'm like 15 keys in, droppin 410-430ish overall now and w...
You playing cleaveless warlord's BS build?
lean geode
Do you already have 2/2?
violet steeple
I have 4pce
lean geode
HOLY gamer
violet steeple
We cleared heroic/norm/1st few mythic last night and funneled to raiders, like half of us have 4p now
lean geode
Are you abandoning the way of the pink finally
violet steeple
I abandoned it back when I got leggo on warr finally my dude, ended like 3720 on warr and left my pink loser at 3680 or some shit
We ball
velvet vessel
boys im execute phase we go:
Double exe into OP Into MS
or
Double exe into double OP into MS?
lean geode
exe exe OP MS
You can technically do 3 exe if you have rage for it
OP is just there to generate rage
formal verge
in AoE, are we sending cleave whenever its up as prio
velvet vessel
i was watching @wind flicker guide he said double exe into double OP. thats why I was asking since S1 we were not doing that
eager solstice
do you swap at 2 or 4pc
dire hinge
Basically MS every 3 GCDs, then the spells between should be based on the rage you have.
More than 40 rage = Execute
Less than 40 rage = OP
lean geode
do you swap at 2 or 4pc
but probably 2/2
dire hinge
do you swap at 2 or 4pc
2p is fine for aoe, but sim for single target as it’s likely a small loss
But you get more stam so tomato/potato
eager solstice
what settings do you guys generally use to sim for M+?
wise sable
so....what is the uproar build and why is it so important for like...3 raid bosses/
teal finch
Sometimes I find myself in a situation where warbreaker is off cd, but avatar is like 10 seconds away. Should I just be using warbreaker and save avatar for my next warbreaker cast?
dire hinge
so....what is the uproar build and why is it so important for like...3 raid boss...
It makes your Troar have a CD of 1min instead of 1.5min, it might be used on various bosses to align better to add spawns
rugged wave
Signet brand+Nelth trinket+2xvault rings in M+ = griefing or not?
As in are there better trinket options?
dire hinge
Signet brand+Nelth trinket+2xvault rings in M+ = griefing or not?
Don’t run signet brand in keys, it falls off and resets if you’re out of combat for more than 15sec
wise sable
It makes your Troar have a CD of 1min instead of 1.5min, it might be used on var...
i'm just looking through the wowhead guide for each of the 3 raids and like 3 bosses have "uproar" as the suggested build
rugged wave
Don’t run signet brand in keys, it falls off and resets if you’re out of combat ...
Fair, what else would I run instead?
dire hinge
i'm just looking through the wowhead guide for each of the 3 raids and like 3 bo...
Ah, to get uproar you usually drop 1 point in Cruel Strikes and pick Uproar
rugged wave
And what's gonna activate my ri8ngs?
dire hinge
And what's gonna activate my ri8ngs?
Helm enchant from amirdrassil, and your Lego dots
lean geode
And what's gonna activate my ri8ngs?
axe, head enchant, shadowflame patch
wise sable
Fair, what else would I run instead?
PERSONALLY from what I understand, Brand and Anvil only work well in ST/extended bosses b/c they take a LONG time to ramp
so in theory, a general trinket or aoe trinket would be your best bet.
rugged wave
Helm enchant from amirdrassil, and your Lego dots
Yeah about that lego dots 😭
dire hinge
Fair, what else would I run instead?
I’m AFK at the moment (on a road trip, poor timing with season launch), but wowhead should have some options for you
olive nest
PERSONALLY from what I understand, Brand and Anvil only work well in ST/extended...
If you want to have chill trinkets for both raid and m+ you could chase after icon/omni
Omni wins in st and aoe
Icon is slightly behind puzzle box in aoe and signet for st
wise sable
yeah, icon + omni (and/or pips) is probably like a solid "fuck it, we ball" combo. It's just free extra stats
slate grail
somehow i sim 291k as new arms 4pc but only 258k as fury
lean geode
new arms set fucks
wise sable
somehow i sim 291k as new arms 4pc but only 258k as fury
virgin fury vs chad arms
um....yes?
what is it hroth
olive nest
what settings do you guys generally use to sim for M+?
Lots of ways to do this honestly
dire hinge
I fix
olive nest
All mostly just points of reference
dire hinge
Phone being weird
olive nest
somehow i sim 291k as new arms 4pc but only 258k as fury
LOL fury
wise sable
so i got 2 piece last night, am i good to swap over to the "new" m+/cleave builds? If nothing else i want to start training my brain on the new rotation
olive nest
I swapped out of slam talents for cleave even with old tier set
Just practicing
Building muscle memory
You will be fine to do that just make sure you use the buff from OP on MS and not cleave
Unless aoe
And also unless no SS
wise sable
Ah, to get uproar you usually drop 1 point in Cruel Strikes and pick Uproar
from what build? I'll remember this, just need to know what build it typically gets altered from
dire hinge
It might vary more per boss, but if you go to Warcraftlogs you can look at the top performing builds on a boss by boss breakdown to see the exact one being used
It’s most likely just the single target build with that swap though
wise sable
gotcha
olive nest
pseudo jolt
Is it worth to change out S3 4-piece for S4 2-piece?
latent moss
only real answer is to sim it
olive nest
I’d do it
pseudo jolt
Doesn't seem like it from sims. Feels bad.
wise sable
do any of the raid talent builds (mainly for sweeping strikes or bladestorm) use cleave? or is that only for m+?
wise sable
and for m+, do we use different builds for tyrannical vs fort weeks?
I'm not super well versed in arms (yet) but I feel like at least on lower keys, you don't really need to send full AoE on adds?
i'm basically just trying to set up my talent build templates for easy switching, and I am just copy-pasting them from WoWhead, but if I can benefit from having cleave in some of them, I would rather start now so I can start practicing using it for when I get 4 piece
opaque citrus
Diurna needs to be noted as both DT and full cleave
Depends on where you’re assigned
wise sable
ye i was thinking the same thing.
thick kelp
padding detected
Ethical boss dps'er
wise sable
the warlord's bladestorm build and juggernaut priority build on wowhead are identical...
unsure if this is intended or not
thick kelp
clear your cache
wise sable
wise sable
clear your cache
how do i do that again?
thick kelp
idk
frozen bramble
Is the ideal 4 pieces for tier set just no legs?
thick kelp
google (your browser) how to clear cache
frozen bramble
Stat wise*
wild belfry
puzzle box or fragment
wise sable
clear your cache
didn't work. 2 tabs are still the same.
quasi elk
So do we change talents if i still have 4p 10.2 set?
thick kelp
didn't work. 2 tabs are still the same.
Put point from cleave to bloodborne untill you have new 4p
wise sable
unsure if it's a problem on my side or on wowhead side
wise sable
Put point from cleave to bloodborne untill you have new 4p
is this for hybrid or juggernaut?
thick kelp
juggernaut m+
wise sable
gotcha
nimble basin
its a safe bet to use crests on a bis hero piece right? tuskarr neck for example
sour forge
Might want to craft lariat eventually
sinful pecan
should u go for 2 set if u have full 4 set from previous season?
dull siren
ember glen
how does bro have 4 set already
sacred zodiac
getting two pieces isnt too bad
ember glen
yeah we got catalyst and lfr and guild raiding
sacred zodiac
king
ember glen
catalyst + 2 tokens
2 tokens dang
lone imp
I have the aotc token and the heroic raz token
I do have a heroic helm with a socket I can cata
olive nest
Holllyy guys juiced
naive breach
latent moss
let him cook
i hope he will sandbag arms now with 4p
unbind execute
call it a dps loss
rugged wave
If you're running warlord+bladestorm build, do you do Ava->WB->BS?
Ava->WB->BS->WW->Spam cleave?
opaque citrus
Arms is too hard for the fury brain to comprehend
Also don’t you roar before wb or no
olive nest
Not aoe unless it’s changed
quasi elk
Arms is too hard for the fury brain to comprehend
Thats why im playing with Hekili
but it seems that its out of date xD
quasi elk
is it like fury?
opaque citrus
It’s 2 buttons so yea
quasi elk
because fury was literally 2 buttons
quasi elk
It’s 2 buttons so yea
do i need 2 stacks for mortal or not?
olive nest
Probably to get them on cd so you can squeeze them inside wb a 2nd time
Makes sense actually
opaque citrus
do i need 2 stacks for mortal or not?
No you MS or Cleave on CD
lament arch
wait, how many dinars do we actually have to spend on upgrading the axe?
lament arch
tooltip says it only sets it to 502 tho
charred brook
Yeah it just puts it on the track for season 4
lament arch
aaah
charred brook
You still have to upgrade it with crests
lament arch
god I just died of cringe
charred brook
Lmao
rapid abyss
idk why this is so hard to understand. you buy the thing to set it to the upgade path, then use reg flightstones and crests to upgrade it like normal items
charred brook
What does the axe ilvl drop at for awakened fyrakk?
Does the dungeon journal show it
I guess it wouldn’t actually
unborn canyon
Axe is the same from awakened fyrakk
As it is on normal fryakk
Cause it's a quest reward
smoky kayak
i'm basically just trying to set up my talent build templates for easy switching...
Can see builds for each boss here (and on similar raid pages) - all updated for S4
- Arms has the luxury of using pretty much the same talents on each boss, but there are a few places where you want to swap into Improved Sweeping Strikes, Uproar, Wrecking Throw, and even a couple that you can go full Bladestorm on
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/vault-of-the-incarnates-raid-tips
I'm not going to say the actual "tips" on the page are incredibly deep or anything, it's really more of a beginner page than hardcore fight min-maxing, but should help serve as an easy reference for talents on each boss
fringe moon
just stop it....bully....haha
charred brook
Axe is the same from awakened fyrakk
Okay that makes sense, I just came back and don’t have the axe yet so I wasn’t sure
I’m like full 490 gear with a 450 green weapon lmao I’m struggling
I did a full awakened normal last night at 465 ilvl and green parsed
worldly kernel
That’s kinda a given you’re extremely undergeared
charred brook
Yeah I know still disappointing tho
Some blue/purple ilvl parses so I’d be happy if those were higher
Tells me I’m making mistakes still
static tapir
Yo, can you not buy fyralath with dinars this season? only the upgrade?
Would i still need to get it from a drop or?
smoky kayak
you still need the base weapon drop yes
static tapir
That is fucking stupid
unborn canyon
Tells me I’m making mistakes still
Can also look at damage break downs for higher parses, if your damage break down is about the same but just lower overall, then that's a good sign
The lower would be from lower ilvl of course
quaint bloom
cleave over mortal strike with SS at 3 or 4 targets+?
unborn canyon
You meaning during SS?
Or like it's up to be used
Cause I think we cleave even with SS active at 5 targets
quasi elk
i feel like im doing something completely wrong and after patch im bottom of my raid dmg
quasi elk
like, that weird, never had problems doing dmg in arms
brittle cosmos
is Recklessness an ability on its own somewhere ?
its confusing, i can't find it anywhere in-game
desert burrow
is there a cheat sheet or smth where i can see the gain s4 set compared to s3 set?
north mesa
whats the target haste arms wants to go for
brittle cosmos
how is a new player supposed to understand what Warlords Torment does without google ??
rare kite
is Recklessness an ability on its own somewhere ?
it's a fury ability, arms only gets it through warlords
brittle cosmos
so they just assume all warrior players played fury first. gotcha
opal folio
Valid criticism imo
brittle cosmos
also, i gotta point out one thing @smoky kayak . the ''tier set bonus'' page on the wowhead guide isn't fully clear on when to actually break the S3 tier set bonus. it just tells us to get the new 4p set as soon as possible. not if people should equip their new 2p set when available or wait with breaking it until full S4-4Set is available
sour forge
You can sim the comparison
wise sable
Can see builds for each boss here (and on similar raid pages) - all updated for ...
ok but are the warlord's bladestorm build and juggernaut build supposed to be identical? b/c they show as identical for me on wowhead. Unsure if it's a problem on my side or wowhead's side
cleared my cache/browser history in chrome and everything
smoky kayak
ok but are the warlord's bladestorm build and juggernaut build supposed to be id...
Which page? The talent import codes seem to be working correctly for me
oh wait, I think I know - the import codes are correct
the tabs here got moved over one though - should be fixed now
wise sable
ye down here
OK ye is fixed
so the juggernaut build we use essentially as pure ST and throw in cleave where we can (mostly for like....low level tyrannical keys where adds don't live long enough?)
and then hybrid is for like fort weeks where you need to deal with adds but also pack a punch on bosses?
smoky kayak
More or less, though I would suggest just using the Hybrid build everywhere unless you start doing pretty high keys
One of the high end Mythic+ pushers can probably give more specific advice once we get deeper into the season
wise sable
gotcha. Will copy hybrid build to be my new "world content" build (with my own personal tweaks)
gotcha. i'm really only dancing around 2s now, trying to chase my new baseline of gear
dusty sorrel
are we still able to spell reflect the gulping goliaths "gulp"
fading sage
More or less, though I would suggest just using the Hybrid build everywhere unle...
What’s your thoughts on MBG? When I ran arms S1, I thoroughly enjoyed it, did something change? I’ve been fury last 2 tiers
olive nest
You’d have to drop EP for it
So sure you could get really big AoE goes with double BS and MBG but it’s dog shit ST
And not worth it at all realistically
dry frost
olive nest
But hey if you’re grouped with a fire mage and a spriest and just want to yolo they can handle the prio
dry frost
Its a spell reflect season boys
gusty nymph
BT timewalking raid drops this week. it is only champion gear but anything worth it in there?
iron spruce
are you guys playing cleave spec or full bladestorm in m+?
quasi elk
Is opener still the same
Charge - Lego - Roar - Avatar+CS - damage?
sour forge
BT timewalking raid drops this week. it is only champion gear but anything worth...
The crit proc trink simmed decent for me
gusty nymph
The crit proc trink simmed decent for me
madness it is. it looked promising. i ll let u know if it is good or not 🙂
sour forge
I ran 2 keys with it 40% up time
Not too bad
I honestly only did the raid for the heroic cache
gusty nymph
same. but to be there, let s try to get something out of it
cursive sun
we dont have a catalyst charge this week right?
cursive sun
o
olive nest
I’d farm 9s and spend crests on a craft/trinket this week probably
Or sim your crests if you really want to be min maxed
quasi elk
Is it normal that i feel weaker after season change?
i've never had problems topppin up dmg in raids but now i fee like im back to feeling "ungeared"
wheat blade
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/25Nd4GPAHDE2Xr7c598BQ6
I have 2 parts of the new set but the simulation says I shouldn’t take it but is that good to have 2/2 of each set =?
inland quest
sour forge
I’d farm 9s and spend crests on a craft/trinket this week probably
Why 9s?
olive nest
9s give highest reward and no 3rd affix
Haven’t been in a 9 yet because of time but the 8 I completed was very easy with a 490 group ilvl
fringe moon
anybody got this trinket? It procs a ridiculous amount of time and once it's up, it essentially never drops off...
+1226 mastery on a target dummy
sour forge
I figured 8s were the play for myth track in vault
brave hare
ye going from 4 to 2 2
olive nest
It’s going to vary from person to person based on what gear/ilvl you have equipped
That’s why correct answer is to sim
empty bough
What are you guys doing for tier? I got a bunch of mid champion pieces, but it would break my tier set... Are they useful at all? Like 495-499s
fringe moon
we're able to do 2+2? Wasn't there something about not being able to stack tier bonuses?
olive nest
We don’t have the problem I believe you’re thinking of
Classes that kept the s3 bonus cannot swap until they have all 4 pieces
Because they don’t work with each other between seasons
Different bonus do work with each other in our case
winged creek
anybody got this trinket? It procs a ridiculous amount of time and once it's up...
yeah im running this rn its nice
deft girder
so like...this could be a goofy question but..how do i play arms in keys..
with 10.2 set..
do i just spam ww until i cant.
wise sable
question, if i get a battlelord proc, do i send mortal strike right away if i only have 1 stack of overpower, or do i still go to 2 stacks?
rare kite
send ms
olive nest
Always MS
wise sable
gotcha, noted
SEE this is why i am here. Arms looks simple on the surface but there's little intricacies that add up here and there that separate the good from the best
fringe moon
weird....dropping 4pc for 2+2 is showing it's a 5k DPS loss even though the items I'm swapping to are higher ilvl
olive nest
Is it a wild stat shift?
olive nest
You might have to play around with bag items and gems/enchants to get it to be better
Or just wait it out for 4pc lol
empty bough
Ww*
olive nest
Is there a certain number of add where we is better than ms?
Aoe is different
nimble basin
gotcha, noted
SEE this is why i am here. Arms *looks* simple on the surface but...
exactly what I'm noticing lol
olive nest
Ww*
In aoe with the new 4pc you almost entirely drop MS unless you should be doing prio damage
Witch is a strength arms can utilize
empty bough
Yeah I still have s3 kit lol but thanks, I was Prot last season, switching to arms this
empty bough
Owns me right now lol, still adjusting
olive nest
It seems daunting but once it clicks it clicks and you’ll be good
chrome lichen
is there updated WA for VOTI from liquid?
i used it in s1 and i want to use it again
olive nest
It’s not as crazy as some specs out there
empty bough
Cool thanks, if I post a log later tonight from like a +6, can anyone take a look? I know everyone is busy with the new season
empty bough
Ok cool thanks @olive nest
olive nest
empty bough
I know I posted logs in the Prot section and I went from grey parses to blue and purple by the end of the season
I appreciate everyone who helps
nimble basin
might do the same tbh with a log. so fun trying arms and done okay in 8's but definitely not optimal lol
astral yarrow
arms is a mess of priority, so very few people are gonna do it optimally
outer holly
As far as I'm aware our rotation didn't change significantly this tier, just prio cleave+op in aoe and revert to the ST rotation below 2-3 mobs. Though I don't know how much prio OP has without taking SoA in those whacky aoe builds
robust ridge
No way your q was real
nimble basin
arms is a mess of priority, so very few people are gonna do it optimally
That's the thing I struggle with atm, when MS, overpower and Execute is up. And a WW in there too. this is with old tier ofc.
then the diff procs, then OP stacks 1 or 2 etc. for MS
trim kelp
What is “bsl neck” ?
nimble basin
but will get used to it I'm sure
true nacelle
are there sims for 2+2 set?
charred brook
so whjat is the best way to get leggo axe
ios it just heroic fyrakk every week
or is every difficulty same
cause im only on week 2 of my grind
robust ridge
Just keep slamming heroic, unless you have access to mythic
robust ridge
What is “bsl neck” ?
Blue Silken Lining
deft girder
@sage badge so like...
how do i play arms in m+...10.2 build...fob....
perhaps a prio list..
storm lark
What is execute prio with new 4set? Execute until MS is ready with 2 stacks of exec precison and overpower only when below 40 rage?
sage badge
how do i play arms in m+...10.2 build...fob....
Why you playing Fob? 
robust ridge
Xeos goes against the grain
deft girder
idk what am i supposed to play with last tiers tier set..
sage badge
Basically, prio OP during sweeping strikes, whirlwind to get tactician
robust ridge
idk what am i supposed to play with last tiers tier set..
Single BS ding dong
reef birch
nobody notice the inconsitency of versa wrist AND shadowflame one?
robust ridge
What do you mean inconsistency
deft girder
idk what the single bs ding dong build is..
sour forge
What’s this a s2 fury voter switching to arms
deft girder
playing arms because i dont have fury gear atm
reef birch
What do you mean inconsistency
the fact sticky recomend using versa craft wrist and shadowflame bracer
deft girder
will be swapping the moment i get 4pc..
robust ridge
idk what the single bs ding dong build is..
robust ridge
You don't need to import though, you can use your old man eyes to view it
deft girder
no..
hexed saddle
robust ridge
Classic Xeos (Vil)
calm trout
Is it scale of awakening item that is needed for upgrading Fyr'alath to 535 and if so Im guessing it drops in Raid ?
lament sigil
on which slots are we crafting BSL?
lyric lark
Is it scale of awakening item that is needed for upgrading Fyr'alath to 535 and ...
You buy it with bullions
calm trout
You buy it with bullions
the scale item ?
sour forge
Bsl risky imo
lyric lark
Yes the item you need to upgrade the legendary
strange perch
Xeos where's ice spice
quasi elk
Is Call to Chaos 509 okayge? i have pip and signet 483 both
calm trout
Yes the item you need to upgrade the legendary
Thanks I will go check out the vendor then
glacial hull
sorry if it's already been answered tons of times, but do we play cleave in m+ even with 2pt or only with 4pt
wise sable
is this worth using at all or did i just get smeckledorfed?
hazy saddle
Sim it
proper moth
its booty but a nice stack stick i replaced that very fast
deft girder
You don't need to import though, you can use your old man eyes to view it
so like..maybe make it so i can import..
mortal crag
sacred zodiac
i think there was a hotfix to do that
ember glen
Whats solid stats for arms
astral yarrow
crit and haste 🙂
minor gust
astral yarrow
yeah the only guys beating me on sennarth is 4set bois
astral yarrow
here with my 271k sim and literally 0 zenith tokens
2 hc splits and 5 mythic bosses
0 zenith
im not tilted, you're tilted
dull siren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ocdESGohqjCGzTR4fCL64D
Fully upgraded weap Ehhh
violet steeple
Ye figured it'll just make the leggo upgrade cheaper anyway
Spend the same regardless
dull siren
I'm being ethical with my crests since this week is w/e next week full send lego
I'm upgraded other stuff and full sending lego with next week stuff
violet steeple
It carries onto 2hers, I have a 2nd 1 that's only 700 to take back to 522
I jsut upgraded tier pieces/that and then made my lariat
astral yarrow
yeah you lose nothing outside the flightstones
violet steeple
But I have 60 aspects still
strange perch
is execute prio still the same with new old tier
calm trout
Yes the item you need to upgrade the legendary
From what Ive looked at recraft is not needed ? just get the scale from bullions and upgrade it with that yeah ?
dull siren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iNjMZY2VPdZT7tLpxMBLkk @violet steeple
lyric lark
From what Ive looked at recraft is not needed ? just get the scale from bullions...
Yeah and after that you upgrade it with crests
dull siren
probs gonna catch up kinda fast
fickle mesa
is there a certain amount of haste we looking for?
ebon hollow
do we play cleave in keys with the "new" tset?
lavish sparrow
do we play cleave in keys with the "new" tset?
yes
midnight mural
here with my 271k sim and literally 0 zenith tokens
i have 4set now but i suck at arms :[
astral yarrow
i have 4set now but i suck at arms :[
hazy flower
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iNjMZY2VPdZT7tLpxMBLkk <@3010953029772902...
you guys
are crazy
Im simming 30k less
40k*
with same ilv
xdd
astral yarrow
4set real good
calm trout
Yeah and after that you upgrade it with crests
Ah ok thanks the new crests also probably 60 again ?
hazy flower
4set real good
buffing our best tset by 50% xdd
olive nest
They giving us our time to shine
distant aspen
for raiding, does arms just go ST and rely on sweeping strikes mostly?
deft girder
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/arms/DAPAURUVUEVVQQpRQVBBOVVBRUREJVS...
this build is ass crack
tmy link me a build
m+ arms
olive nest
Lmfao
olive nest
tmy link me a build
True and real
hazy flower
im rocking precious 0set
dull siren
tmy link me a build
outer holly
BS? I sleep
deft girder
k so this build is what i've been using...
odd...
feel like i have no buttons to press sometimes..
outer holly
Do you have slam hotkeyed?
hazy flower
slam dn
outer holly
yeah dreadnaught important too
astral yarrow
yes
astral yarrow
it was like 150 dps during S2