arms

[fresh spire]

depending on update PTR

[wise sable]

so i think emerald dream is "dangerous" right now

[fresh spire]

[quasi torrent]

u gotta get something after losing

RWF, #1 IO, RWL

😎

[fresh spire]

did they just step straight into mythic?

[quasi torrent]

yes

[fresh spire]

sheeeeesh

[wise sable]

kept getting constantly DC'd on my druid collecting druid forms, but on my DK in ICC (collecting shards for shadowmourne), i'm fine

[proper moth]

i wonder how toxic lfr is

[wise sable]

the past few weeks it's been fine. unsure how bad it is now

[grave cedar]

With the gcd change to puzzle box, does that mean it can't be macro'ed with avatar(with blademaster) and fyralath?

[olive nest]

Shit are we behind or just from the future

[wise sable]

did they disable aurostor?

[ember glen]

Is arms better then fury this season?

[dire hinge]

yes

[ember glen]

For both m+ and ST?

[dire hinge]

roughly equal in aoe, but yes stronger on ST

[ember glen]

Alright

[proper moth]

Is there a quest to get the bullion?

[ember glen]

So got fury until I got 4 piece

[proper moth]

It doesnt really matter if you want to min max sure

[naive breach]

ill ask a dumb question

[olive nest]

Just play arms all the time cause it’s cooler

[naive breach]

but after ive read archims wowhead guide thingy

[olive nest]

[strange perch]

based

[naive breach]

i never played arms with s1 set

cleave pmuch takes MS spot yeah? on like 3+ targets

[tranquil mist]

Ye

[naive breach]

so its mostly weaving overpower with cleave on ae

aight

❤️

[tranquil mist]

Yeah if sweeping not up ofc

[naive breach]

aye

i will miss my execute thunderclap friend tho

farewell

[tranquil mist]

Yeah s3 set was pretty good idk why people chose s1

[smoky kayak]

no

[naive breach]

ahh the man himself is here

[tranquil mist]

Rend damage was pretty good

[dire hinge]

oh this bothers me

[naive breach]

assuming you dont have EP buffs but sweeping up, is ms a dps gain everytime or just till X target count? assuming at 5 its worse than cleave ?

[proper moth]

Anyone want to take on some wagers on who will get their ax to 535 first

[olive nest]

Crit deserves

Better be Crit

[wind flicker]

Crit wont, since he’s eu he’ll be a day behind NA

Meaning NA will get their second bullion 1 day before us smh

[olive nest]

All NA just get unlucky

[wind flicker]

Wdym, u can buy an upgrade for it

U dont need to refarm it

[olive nest]

Can you not also loot it without buying?

[wind flicker]

We cant “loot” it till week 3 regardless

By that time we’ll already have it upgraded to max because of the bullions

[ember glen]

How we get bullions

[olive nest]

Oh right it’d have to be the awakened version of fyrakk

[naive breach]

kill raidbossi

[wind flicker]

I dont think u can loot it again regardless

[ember glen]

is it like one daily or quest?

[naive breach]

weekly iirc

[ember glen]

Alr

[dusty sorrel]

so why craft blue silken lining on torc?

mastery THAT good this season?

[wind flicker]

BSL is a bait

If ur not VERY confident in keeping a good uptime, dont take it

[proper moth]

Mate

[wind flicker]

Especially in m+

[naive breach]

mastery simmed pretty high for me in s3 already

[dusty sorrel]

cause the bracers make sense

[naive breach]

archis quote tho

Shadowflame is more consistent, and BSL if want to gamble on parsing.

[dusty sorrel]

dope

[wind flicker]

In my opinion there is no scenario where BSL would ever be a good take, not for m+ and not for raid. Loads of unpreventable random damage which will break ur BSL uptime

Besides that, if u lose ur BSL buff in ur cd’s u can wave your parse goodbye as well

[bronze nest]

So better go for companion wrists and shadow flame neck?

[naive breach]

i mean if you know every boss inside out, you will probably have X amount of bosses where you could call externals etc to bypass huge aoe spikes to keep your buff for parsing, or very quick fights where the burst from mastery is enough to make a good parse. m+ yeah dunno probably no? will see what the boys do on giga high keys

[wind flicker]

Im a decently high m+ player, and with next season rotation there is no way i run BSL

The amount of random unavoidable damage in these dungeons is going to ruin the uptime

[maiden moat]

do we get 1 spark per week ? is it possible to obain one on the first day ?

[naive breach]

yeah i mean on those 30+ keys or lower this season after squish ofc probably not

never say never tho 👨‍🍳

[bronze nest]

Nah bsl for keys is stupid

Better go lariat

[wind flicker]

^

[bronze nest]

It's 90% health and up, the 11% health you lose it by walking in df dungeons

xD

[naive breach]

how do we live tho without our well fed ring

[calm elm]

My experience with BSL as a Havoc leads me to think it won’t be good for Arms even if it sims good. Havoc have near infinite leech and they still have problems with it.

[wind flicker]

Neuroslicer-mk3

[slow saddle]

Bsl issue is

It takes 3 sec to get up again

Can

[minor gust]

We deserve it for being beta testers

[wind flicker]

I’ve been saying this for a long time, BSL will not be good. Not now, not next week

[naive breach]

rename to BSL DENIER right now

[wind flicker]

But but but, i tested too

140 ping

[slow saddle]

Well it worked so tjat when u hit 90 it went up insta

If

[bronze nest]

BSL is good for Sims

[wind flicker]

That would make it broken

[bronze nest]

Sims does nothing wrong

We are hooman

[slow saddle]

It would be good

[naive breach]

wdym hooman

[bronze nest]

I mean let's be honest

You sit in frontals xD

[wind flicker]

Even when playing perfect, BSL is wack, even ur corrupting rage flask will already proc u to most likely go below 90%

[naive breach]

if you never take frontals dont play warrior

[wind flicker]

Unless u like gambling, but then might aswel play roulette

[naive breach]

go play shadow class thingy

[bronze nest]

I'm with you

[naive breach]

i sit in frontals cause its my birthright

[bronze nest]

So say bye bye to bsl

Companion wrists and shadow flame boots

That's the play

[wind flicker]

Depends if you go m+ or raid setup

For m+ frostfire and lariat is arguably better

[bronze nest]

If you are heavy m+ yes

Boots wrists is more versatile

[lucid nest]

Well feed in S4 in the neck is good instead of BSL?

[bronze nest]

You know you can do both equally fine

[chrome flint]

Is there an updated Spell Reflect WA alert for S4 ?

[bronze nest]

Probably in week

[wind flicker]

Gotta watch dem nameplates till then, or download s1 / s2 sr weakaura’s

They probably still work

Since its instance triggered

[bronze nest]

I think Reloe still has the nameplates

If you see

In wago

[naive breach]

i never was a big fan of the legs tho kinda, except on ghostfriend week

[bronze nest]

Legs is extremely value mate

[full hornet]

Man why the fuck is our tier bonus season 1 😦

[bronze nest]

Because is the best

[wind flicker]

A lot of these dungeons have great chaining potential gaining you a lot of resets, but the value does drop the longer the packs live

[full hornet]

it is so boring

[bronze nest]

And which you voted

[naive breach]

wrist lariat maybe?

its your boy

[full hornet]

i voted season 3

shit slapped for m+

[wind flicker]

Wrist lariat also good choices

[naive breach]

i think s1 set is gonna slap tho

[bronze nest]

Lariat requires gems

[naive breach]

big crits

cocks out

[wind flicker]

Im a m+ player and even tho both are good, i think s1 set is arguably better for pure m+

[naive breach]

i just realized without the cdr on cleave

you can always weave a ms in between that shit theoretically

very donk

[latent moss]

op*

[wind flicker]

In big aoe u probably prio OP over MS even tho ms is up and cleave on cd

[full hornet]

i Stopped in season 1 after getting KSM week 2 so i never played with the 4 set i guess ill hold my judgment untill i get it but it just looks so boring with passive crit bonuses

[wind flicker]

Depending on target count ofcourse

[naive breach]

yeye in my head i thought you only have 1 gcd in between cleave cd

[wind flicker]

If you take reaping swings yes

[latent moss]

big numbers

its fun

[naive breach]

but without the cdr you have plenty of time

[astral yarrow]

arms priority in cleave scenarios is a mess

[full hornet]

i do miss the big womps form legion

[astral yarrow]

its very cool

SS really complicates stuff

[latent moss]

dn being busted

[wind flicker]

I like it, because the skill cap returns because of it making it more about skill

[latent moss]

doesn't make it easier

[proper moth]

Just push all of the buttons

[naive breach]

SS pmuch just tells you at 4 targets you ms over cleave while its up or?

[bronze nest]

@wind flicker since you are here, I don't agree with your tier list XD I think rshammy will blast

[wind flicker]

Haha ❤️

[astral yarrow]

Arms has had this weird mess of priority the entire xpac

[wind flicker]

I like weird prio’s, makes room to cook

[bronze nest]

Nah arms is good this season

[wind flicker]

And since fury is in the bin anyways

[astral yarrow]

as it should be

[bronze nest]

I wouldn't say bin

[astral yarrow]

[bronze nest]

Wow

[naive breach]

i liked the s2 fury set, but its time to

[bronze nest]

Aagaard

Shame on you

[wind flicker]

It is, numbers are giga wack

[hexed saddle]

yeah its disgusting

[wind flicker]

Im a fury main, but im not touching it with a 10 feet pole

[hexed saddle]

needs abilities pruned

or consolidated

[bronze nest]

For m+ you mean only I assume

[naive breach]

[bronze nest]

Because raid will still be viable

[wind flicker]

Listen to frenchman @hexed saddle he knows

[wind flicker]

No

[astral yarrow]

Making DN not proc twice would go a long way i guess

[naive breach]

xan explain cleave prio right meow

[astral yarrow]

OP real good

[hexed saddle]

no

its aids

[naive breach]

[hexed saddle]

i dont want to think about it

[hexed saddle]

just nuke cleave and make tclap apply deepwounds

or nuke cleave and let MS cleave in aoe

doesnt matter

nuke a button

[bronze nest]

Will you think jugg build will play?

[wind flicker]

Why would tc need to apply deepwounds if you use cleave xd

[naive breach]

he wants to nuke cleave

[astral yarrow]

to remove a button

[astral yarrow]

not more than it does now

[hexed saddle]

cause the aoe prio is aids and bloated as fuck

[wind flicker]

Toxic blue role wauw

[astral yarrow]

i will always recommed FoB builds for low and pug keys

[naive breach]

ofc he is the mountain thane messiah

he is thunder clap main

[bronze nest]

So not at all xD

[hexed saddle]

arms better everywhere

[astral yarrow]

its fine right now

[hexed saddle]

a LOT better in raid

[naive breach]

[hexed saddle]

fury is closer in m+

[astral yarrow]

[hexed saddle]

still behind

[bronze nest]

Who plays jugg

[naive breach]

i expect a thesis of xans cleave prio tomorrow

[hexed saddle]

i dont care about arms

[wind flicker]

Closer? Bro its still in season 3 compared to arms xd

[proper moth]

What item level is heroic dungeons dropping

[astral yarrow]

you can just check the APL that has been pushed to SimC

[hexed saddle]

its 100% closer in m+ than in raid

[naive breach]

im yoking man

[hexed saddle]

its not close in raid

a lot closer for mythical plus

[wind flicker]

Yes, its instead of 10 miles behind, 9 miles behind xd

[bronze nest]

I have an unfortunate feeling fury will get a major buff

[naive breach]

N

[rare kite]

[strange perch]

Jeventes!

[wind flicker]

Thats me!

[stiff wedge]

We running same builds as last season until tier is acquired for m+?

[strange perch]

i like the recent videos! you made me turn my alt into spriest lol

[wind flicker]

Im not sure if im happy that im reverting people to shadow priest 😂 but thanks man glad you enjoy the content ❤️

[ember glen]

Fastest way for tier?

[bronze nest]

Wow

[bronze nest]

He watched you play warrior and went to the shadow priest

[wind flicker]

I think he saw the tierlist

I most certainly hope my gameplay didnt scare him off warrior hehe

[strange perch]

I saw the video of you pushing the key as spriest

[distant aspen]

is there a way to get rid of "restored dreamleaf" from buffbar

[strange perch]

Well, I've seen all your videos tbh

[sour forge]

First tier piece acquired arms bros

[dreamy egret]

so the scales will be our first purchase right and will we have to purchase another one to upgrade it to heroic or?

[wind flicker]

I havent played as a shadowpriest 😬

My sp is lvl 70 with ilvl 40 hehe

[strange perch]

You're right, it was your tier list and the video Vesperal put out. BUT you're the reason I'm still a warrior main

Crit cake too but he doesn't reply to me 😦

[bronze nest]

[thorn sentinel]

are really arms warrior this good this is from icvyeins

[sturdy flicker]

When do h swap to new tier set at 2 or is it 4

[rare kite]

[bronze nest]

So far yes

[sturdy flicker]

Once u have tier and shit

[strange perch]

Prolly not since spriest is supposed to be s tier

[rare kite]

that list is for raid

[strange perch]

Well they might be actually better

[strange perch]

Ahhhh

[thorn sentinel]

are arms warrior any good in s4 are they harder to play in s4 then they was in s3 ?

[dreamy egret]

arms warrior s1 was very strong

which is why I voted for it

[thorn sentinel]

Do arms warriorget s1 set ?

[sturdy flicker]

When do we put the new tier set on 2set or wait for 4

[dreamy egret]

yes arms gets s1 set

[wind flicker]

❤️

[rare kite]

arms owns in s4, nah they are the same difficulty wise

[thorn sentinel]

what buttons do arms warrior not use for s4

[latent moss]

m+ is just annoying

knowing which button to press as arms

if u want the most damage

[thorn sentinel]

if i needed to choice with one is better to use hekili herorotation or maxdps for rotation addon for arms i know they are bad to use but i feel i do better with it

[sour forge]

Don’t they both pull from the apl

[outer holly]

It once told me to revenge when TC was up and I never used it since

[sour forge]

Apply deep wounds?

Maybe

[strange perch]

slam

[opaque citrus]

SHEEEEESH

[strange perch]

maybe go hit the dummy with hekili just to get an idea, the problem with it though is you dont learn any of the spell names or what they do

[naive breach]

damn son

[wind flicker]

I would not recommend hekili

Just practice urself on dummies and improve, you dont have to be perfect button wise

U need to understand why certain buttons are pressed and when

[thorn sentinel]

i feel i do better with hekili

[wind flicker]

Because it tells u what to do

[strange perch]

true, arms war is fairly forgiving. maybe a better recommendation is watching JeventesTV video 😄

[thorn sentinel]

yes

[wind flicker]

But the reality is, if you want to become really good u need to understand why ur pressing stuff and when to press it

And besides that, usually there are some flaws in rotation helpers

[naive breach]

wtf is hekili

[wind flicker]

Eapecially when u have prio mobs and smallies that dont need to die fast

[bronze nest]

Hekili, maxDps same thing

Rotation helpers

Don't need them

[naive breach]

press

ascend

[bronze nest]

Dummy is your friend

Arms is only "complicated " on multi target situations

[strange perch]

warrior is very easy to learn, just press the buttons that light up

[bronze nest]

Until you get used to it

[wind flicker]

Well its a bit more complicated than that

Xd

[strange perch]

hahaha tru tru, ive played for years, but i want to say it only took me like a day to get the hang of it

[opaque citrus]

do i just macro this in avatar 🤔 use it on CD?

[dreamy egret]

so item leveling isnt going super high looks like 528 from mythic plus ?

[strange perch]

think raid only goes to 535?

[naive breach]

most important question of the evening

@wind flicker what race tho

if not short king

very disappoint

[wind flicker]

Dwarf or nelf

If ur looking to play m+

[neon void]

Guys what are u thoughts about warrior s4? Which is better now for m+ and raid arms or fury?

[strange perch]

is nelf mainly for the sm?

[opaque citrus]

always is

[strange perch]

i honestly kinda hate being a dwarf

[opaque citrus]

shrimply play what race you like

[wind flicker]

Yes its for shadowmeld

[opaque citrus]

you can get title or CE regardless

[wind flicker]

Dwarf is good because of multiple bleeds

[strange perch]

does nelf wear boots though? or does their feet show like troll and tauren

[wind flicker]

But this is only when u play the highest of keys really. I wouldnt bother much about it

[strange perch]

id do it for the aestetic

[untold aspen]

Panda Is always the best solution. Deadly soft or Softly deadly its up to you.

[latent moss]

sm and looks

nelves look really good

unlike

tauren

[strange perch]

but do they wear boots

[latent moss]

i hate myself for racr changing to tauren

[astral yarrow]

man, shorting shadowmeld as sm instead of meld has different connotations in my mind

[latent moss]

yes i think

[astral yarrow]

"sm and looks"

[latent moss]

on phone and i am lazy

[strange perch]

hey thats fair lol

33% off rn too

[sage badge]

Just play w/e race you like.

[naive breach]

if you dont play human youre dead to archimtiros

[cinder remnant]

Are we gonna play without 2 points in thunder clap after replacing s3 4set on full ST boses? I wonder why I didn't see it in any build, but it doesn't bottleneck any other talents and frees 2 points for more deffensive talents.

[strange perch]

what do you play as des?

[wind flicker]

As long as they play FoB right? Hehe

[naive breach]

@cinder remnant do you mean in class tree ?

[cinder remnant]

Ye

[naive breach]

How do you apply rend tho without your 2 clap points

[cinder remnant]

With rend

[thorn sentinel]

why are hekili herorotation or maxdps addon so bad i feel i do better with it

[strange perch]

any class discord will tell you the same thing, its to learn the spells and how they interact with eachother

[thorn sentinel]

I heared for retri pala discord hekili are good for them

[naive breach]

@cinder remnant in any m+ scenario you need your clap to apply the bleed on X targets. on like 10+ targets you would just constantly be reapplying your rend aand not press anything else

[astral yarrow]

Hekili is fine, issue is that its more nuanced than just following an APL when you are doing actual fights

if you like hekili, use it

[sour forge]

You can press tend

[sage badge]

I'm troll atm. But might go gnome who knows.

[naive breach]

TROLL insane chaad

[strange perch]

youre more than welcome to use it, its just what you like personally. its just to help you in the long run and not be so dependent on it

[cinder remnant]

I just mean raid st boses. Like Kazzara, Smolderon ect.

[strange perch]

like reg gnome or mech?

[snow flame]

2nd run

ez

[dreamy egret]

i follow hekili religiously so it get sthe job done

[terse osprey]

Which raid build do i run for Arms?

[sage badge]

Regular. Escape artist kinda nice for pvp.

[naive breach]

not sure if taking those points out for slam could be a dps gain on pure single target? on the other hand you have the 40rage claps to get your CS cooldown faster. so probs you still keep those points in there

[faint granite]

Hey someone tried the doing the quest for fyralath this week? Does it give 502ilvl?

[naive breach]

dont even know what you would take other than clap or crushing force. everything else seems kinda meh

[strange perch]

my guess would be no since you got it in s3

[faint granite]

I know some people kept the quest, does anyone has the answer if it worked or not?

[strange perch]

is gnome the one where it gets stronger as the fight goes on?

[sage badge]

Mechagome is that one

[naive breach]

ive been orc for so long, i cant watch this green mofo anymore tbh

[proper moth]

Anyone have four piece yet?

[snow flame]

ye its so op!

[proper moth]

[terse osprey]

looks like theres several talent builds to choose from

[cinder remnant]

Right... Guess I am too much on the wave of TWW where they are different.

[terse osprey]

but which do i run for M+?

[strange perch]

is it even possible to have 4p already?

[terse osprey]

or dungeons in general?

[opaque citrus]

possible yes likely very unlikely

[naive breach]

pretty unflexible tree for the most part

right now

[proper moth]

you use the trinkets you made along the way

[strange perch]

do we have any cata charges this week? im at work so i havent even been online yet

[distant aspen]

how bad is the stat distributions between fury and arms

[opaque citrus]

ye 1

[strange perch]

oh nice!

[snow flame]

anyone still have the bs macro

for puzzle box

[strange perch]

isnt it on the gcd now

[snow flame]

idk

[strange perch]

or how does that work

[astral yarrow]

yeah they killed it

[strange perch]

i swear i heard someone talking about how you cant macro it anymore

[naive breach]

i think there was box gcd post somewhere yeah

but leg and avatarBS wasnt touched yeah ?

[snow flame]

[minor gust]

it was always avatar bs

not reg BS for puzzle box

[thorn sentinel]

do arms warrior have lot of buttons for both raid and m+ ?

[proper moth]

More for M+

Like 4/5 for raid

Idk how s1 rotation is though

[proper moth]

I played fury

[astral yarrow]

more MS

[proper moth]

I’m ready

[molten crane]

i'm painfully not up to date. what tier set are we getting, and how does it affect our rotation?

[rare kite]

season 1 tier, in m+ it just means we press cleave

[strange perch]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-vs-maho-sukuna-slice-sukuna-slash-sukuna-cleave-sukuna-attack-gif-3564216804798056365

how is feels pressing cleave

[zenith warren]

so on fights vs humanoid ashkandur will outperform the orange axe?

[proud plover]

no

[languid geyser]

Hard negative duder.

[strange perch]

how many human fights do we have for all 3 raids?

2?

[teal fossil]

Ashkandur wasn’t even beating ilevel

[strange perch]

oh its bad bad then

[magic canopy]

our bis neck being the terros neck is kinda wild

[strange perch]

i wanna know who needed more charecter slots from 60 to 65

[grand idol]

I was capped at 50 til they upped it to 60

[strange perch]

just seems like a ton of toons

like i cant even imagine having 50

[grand idol]

well, I would make a new suite of characters when I changed servers or factions.

They are mostly very low levels

[strange perch]

i just transfer mine

[grand idol]

<30

I spent like 10 slots trying to claim my preferred name on high pop servers.

[strange perch]

PvE moment

[cosmic oasis]

Is it generally going to be OK to stack versa as Arms for M+?

Around the highest item level.

[zenith warren]

so if I want sark's back where do I put a shadowflame patch?

[minor gust]

on w/e piece ur gonna craft

neck rings feet w/e

[serene glacier]

why does bloodmallet have arms at 444k422k vs fury at 388k

[terse osprey]

So where is the new vendor for the new gear n leggy etc?

[proper moth]

Because arms is better

[sour forge]

Try single minded arms

[serene glacier]

oh I was just bringing it up, I knew the answer. The answer is b/c fury got voted tier set that sucks for dmg and they haven't buffed it to match. Also ARMS overtuned out the ass.

[serene glacier]

I'm gonna try sticking to ret

[proper moth]

Arms just has a bigger pp🤷🏽‍♂️

[clear mulch]

should i be running the WW build or the BS build from the guide without 4pc s3 tier?

for M+

[sour forge]

User pref probably

[clear mulch]

ty

[hollow eagle]

i think the BS build is technically better but if you do better with the other then run the other

[proper moth]

All depends on your tank and how big your pulls are tbh

[strange perch]

of course blizz finally gives me a myth track wep in vault day 1 of s4

[proper moth]

Ofc

[grand idol]

that cant be upgraded.

[frigid lava]

well I be damn... vault loot can't be upgraded :0

[strange perch]

wow got puzzle box first try

[smoky kayak]

Apparently you can get a full spark week 1 (half from quest, half from raid)

[strange perch]

is bushwackers compass any good archi

hmm and puzzlebox isnt showing correct ilvl on bloodmallet

[sage badge]

I think it's also from m+ as a chance to drop? I have a half spark, and still need to finish the weekly quest.

[smoky kayak]

yes, M+ or raid

[minor gust]

Which weekly gives u a spark?

[strange perch]

yeah took like 5 min

[smoky kayak]

or 35m if the events aren't up yet

[minor gust]

ah I found him the og weekly guy

[opaque citrus]

this is simming surprisingly well for me right now

[clear thistle]

Is it worth it to switch to 2 and 2 with the new tier?

[proper moth]

sniped 2 lfr tier tokens

[nova marsh]

wait

Isn't max ilvl this season like 530 smth

Ohhh...we have to upgrade the lego with flightstones and crests?

Also

If we get a myth track weap with the lego, are we cooked for two weeks?

[terse plume]

you do after buying the leggo with bullion yeah

[nova marsh]

So for upgrade prio

do we stockpile evreying for the lego next week?

[terse plume]

couldnt tell you honestly, smarter people then me will do the math at some point lol

or have done it somewhere

[nova marsh]

I think it could be like

Depends on ur drops

If you get shit luck on inital drops, save, if you get good drops spend as you go

[smoky kayak]

535 on rare items, 528 on regular ones

[smoky kayak]

more or less yes, but you can also get more crests and stuff next week so

they raised the weekly cap from 90 -> 120 crests too, so you can farm and upgrade more

[nova marsh]

Yeah, my idea was stock pile crests so you had enough to instantly bring up the lego decently high

like 525 or smth

[proud plover]

nerf bm 😦

[untold trench]

What is that S3 DPS, pfftzh

[proud plover]

yeah first key in a +2 nok lol, wrong dung for jugg spec

still, nerf bm

[untold trench]

poor BM, doesn't even have the bow yet

[nimble basin]

wait when are EU servers up? ty

[proud plover]

i wasnt aware that ALL s4 awakened raid gear is all on the same upgrade trrack

vendors, lfr/normal/heroic/mythic = all goes to 528/535

[simple olive]

When should I be breaking my 4-piece from S3? I've got better ilvl shoulders, chest, and pants, but don't want to break tier too early

[proud plover]

2+2pc

[simple olive]

So don't break it until I get at least 2 piece from S4, gotcha. Thanks dad

[proud plover]

you lose free tc from sd pocs but gain 15% damage and 10% crit chance to ms/cleave

its huge

[nova marsh]

Wow ummm

This is a step up just for a two

Or maybe evreyone else is undergeared considering I'm doing like 200k more then evreyone else on big pulls....that's concerning

[proud plover]

who? why? what class?

[nova marsh]

Spriest, monk, and me

[simple olive]

What talents are we running this week? I'm only doing like 215k overall but I'm also bad

[nova marsh]

I severely underestmated a 2 lol.

because evreyone else is like 20 ilvls below 480

[simple olive]

Yeah any + level is like 475 plus right now

[nova marsh]

Whelp

[proud plover]

talents will change depending on if you have new tier or not - without it you can kinda get away with jugg m+ or bstorm (and maybe fob in aoe heavy runs) and after you get new tier all m+ builds will use cleave talents

[nova marsh]

So umm

RLP is pain

The dragon paths do seem different....

[daring latch]

when should we swap to new tier? 2/4 or 4/4?

[final dove]

where is the bullion quest located

[nova marsh]

I think it's in the raid after you kill a boss?

[proud plover]

not a quest, kill a raid boss and it has rng chancee to drop

inclusing lfr

[nova marsh]

....I'm sorry what

[proud plover]

got mine 3rd lfr kill

[nova marsh]

So

You can get fucked out of it

[proud plover]

id say less than 1% chance to miss one per week if you kill raid bosses

[proud plover]

2pc is strong, very stong

[proper moth]

only one bullion confirmed this week correct?

[pseudo cipher]

have a buddy who did heroic aberrus (non-fated) and his vault has him getting current-tier heroic pieces, do we know if this is gonna change

[proud plover]

yes

cap of 1 per week

[nova marsh]

So like

[proud plover]

incrreases every week

[proper moth]

feels bad

[nova marsh]

Is the consensus so far RLP is actually harder?

[proper moth]

my lego :/

[nova marsh]

Or does my group just have a skill issue

[proud plover]

eg miss one this weeeek and loot 2 next week

[gusty nymph]

one of my guildmate gat 2 bullion. an extra one dropped form the timewalking chest

he bought the silent star back

[nova marsh]

Ya know

I never thought I'd say I spent an hour inside of a +2

Unless I was like under 350 in season 2

[rare kite]

Wouldve left ages ago

[nova marsh]

I want to

But unfortauntely I'm with a friend

I wonna kms

Bringing in undergeared alts fresh into a new season is a very bad idea

Ngl chief I'd rather play DS2 again and go through shrine of amana on NG+7

[proud plover]

hour in a 2 wtf

[nova marsh]

Yes

Almost 70 deaths

Can I quit this season yet?

[proud plover]

no

[nova marsh]

Damn bro

I'm cooked till Elden Ring DLC

[karmic wagon]

Ooo nice, snagged a storm eater’s boon

[nova marsh]

I will actively refuse to use this

[wise sable]

ALRIGHT i got 2-2 tier set. do i swap over to new talent builds now? or not until 4 piece?

[teal fossil]

its up to you

[proud plover]

St raid is the same with only the SD/MS prio changing (MS > SD) and m+ run this build

you could also run the jugg m+ (prio damage build) depending on key level/goup comp

[wise sable]

ahhhh gotcha gotcha

WELL i don't plan on doing any m+ until tomorrow so

i'll come back tomorrow and learn then

[violet steeple]

We got 4pce now bois, it's time to ascend in M+

[proud plover]

grats

[minor gust]

I just need 1 more

[daring latch]

3/4 set tonight.. waiting for another cata charge next week! good first day to season 4 i’d say

what build should I run with 2/4 set? Mythic+

[oak crest]

Arms better than fury this tier? m+ and raid?

[proud plover]

arms fo sho fo damage

fury just pads, but lives forever

[minor gust]

Arms is always the best no matter what

[wise sable]

only out-done by the forbidden legs spec

[finite ginkgo]

How did you get it that fast ?

[nova marsh]

we just

drop a point of BB when we get the 2pc right?

(4pc)

[minor gust]

Got heroic Raz axe to replace my lego for the time being

[nova marsh]

Actual depression

[minor gust]

gota wait till next week to get my lego back

[nova marsh]

I am literally

gonna full send all my crests and shit

for my lego

from this week and next

Worked too damn hard for this thing

[daring latch]

What build do we use with 2 set in Mythic+

[minor gust]

same builds u used in S3 just drop 1 BB point for cleave

[old urchin]

Did they fix signet brand to not be booty for MH only stuff? Thought it was pretty booty ST if you weren't fury but the spreadsheets/guide have it listed as BIS

[teal fossil]

that was never true

you got misinformed

signet is good if fight is long

thats it

[wise sable]

is rumbling ruby worth using at all? sim says for St at least my rezan's + pips is still best but it's a good cleave trinket no? useful for outdoor content maybe? (or maybe im just coping)

[teal fossil]

its an all rounder

[minor gust]

Rumbling ruby procs at the right time in aoe can be fat

[karmic timber]

do we break 4 set and go 2-2 ?

[violet steeple]

Guild funnel, cleared heroic/norm/1st 2 mythic

[grave cedar]

Can we still macro Puzzle Box to Avatar or no?

[nova marsh]

So m+era

Was it bad first few keys?

[wise sable]

oh so it's KINDA like pips??

[teal fossil]

worse

but yeah

[dire hinge]

Our group had 0 DKs, 0 Locks, and 1 DH. Guess which token dropped on three of the bosses 😂

Dude walked out stacked

[minor gust]

Zenith where

[dire hinge]

The zenith is in each of us

[nova marsh]

The zenith is the friends we made along the way

[minor gust]

Its not orange

I want it back

[chilly hull]

i cannot understand arms rotation (i am a relatively new player... dont laugh:( ). its more about priority list than actual rotation or what

[dire hinge]

They are the light which brightens my day, so this checks out (zenith)

[nova marsh]

It's a prio list rotation

[dire hinge]

You’re perfectly fine, no judgement here! You’re correct that it’s a priority system

[nova marsh]

There are some general guidelines for the prio on wowhead in the rotation section

also pins too just as places to start

[dire hinge]

Start at the top, and go down the list and cast whatever is available. In a very oversimplified version:

• use major cooldowns
• maintain Rend (tclap)
• mortal strike / execute
• overpower (resets mortal strike)
• spend rage with WW>TClap (resets overpower)

[chilly hull]

thanks dudes

really apprieciate that 🙂

[minor gust]

Hroth is yellow for a reason

[dire hinge]

Of course! If you need any clarification questions this discord is usually super helpful

[nova marsh]

Hroth forgetting about rend because even he uses an addon for it

[civic isle]

Hroth does not forget

[dire hinge]

Haha, more than Season3 tier just kinda maintained it for me 😅

[hexed saddle]

hrothmar owns

we love hrothmar

[dire hinge]

I forget often

[nova marsh]

It's okay

[wise sable]

it's why we write things down

[nova marsh]

I did several pulls where I was a scrub and forgot to apply rend till they were at like 50%

LOL

[dire hinge]

Haha oh no

[nova marsh]

It's okay ur was saved me LOL

[scenic umbra]

EU open?

[nova marsh]

Kind of

RLP made me wonna do the yeetus deletus

[dire hinge]

RLP is probably the most divisive dungeon between the people I talk to

[paper summit]

what is BSL in pinned message?

[dire hinge]

Once you know it, it owns, but it’s just a meat grinder if things go awry

[halcyon breach]

Blue Silken Lining

[paper summit]

thanks

[nova marsh]

Yeah basically

Genuinely awful when drakes get pulled into the mix

Even on a 2

Should I be popping all cds for a 2? Probally no lol

[proper moth]

3p lfr

should i use the catalyst this week

[wise sable]

try and get a heroic piece from m+ to catalyze

[proper moth]

yeahhhh

[wise sable]

worthwhile investment

[proper moth]

how hard are the new keys

[minor gust]

if cata gives you 4p just send it

[wise sable]

NO idea, have fuuuuuun

[proper moth]

loool

[west tusk]

with new 4 piece is arms higher simming than fury?

i guess old tier bonuses but for season 4

[strange perch]

i have 4 set

arms is a 50k dps increase. Fury is a loss lol

[wise sable]

i bet their furious

[teal fossil]

They voted for it

Their loss

[minor gust]

its a M+ season not a raid season so was a good vote

[boreal quartz]

You shouldve seen the pre icon nerf numbers

Arms at 445 fury at 385

[rose patio]

Is it expected that a heroic weapon (ilvl 515) sims significantly higher (~4.5%) than an un-upgraded legendary? Seems counter-intuitive to me just making sure.

[boreal quartz]

Prolly not, though do sim

[strange perch]

Right now my 522 weapon sims about 9k higher on st than lego

With 4 set

[boreal quartz]

Yuge

[nova marsh]

Just don't get a weapon 4head

[strange perch]

Im somewhat happy fury is ass

Serves them right for voting for that shit tier

[nova marsh]

Meh

I was always gonna be arms

I don't really care about this season

[rare kite]

I mean yes coz you're fury. Higher ilvl goes in mainhand

The sim would put the unupgraded leggo in offhand

[strange perch]

Even as arms, fully upgraded hero weapon sims higher than lego

[violet steeple]

Ye I got 4pce and 422, like 295ish sim now

[rare kite]

Ye but his example was a 515 weapon

[chilly hull]

what is the amount of % strength from colossal smash should i aim for? i know the higher the better but there must be some sweetspot :p

[rare kite]

There is no aiming for. Whatever you get you get. We don't play around ToM

[minor gust]

522 wep > lego

until next week

[nova marsh]

Just don't loot a weapon bro

[proper moth]

feels bad

[wicked aurora]

Did they fix the weekly quest?

[smoky kayak]

twinsies

except I also still have leggo

[magic canopy]

+9 rlp

i think its so dumb it takes us 2 weeks just to get lego rolling

-1 special item vs most classes

[minor gust]

Lego tax

[magic canopy]

my 535 is supposed to be free so i can buy the diurna ring first

[minor gust]

We had a myth track Diurna ring drop with a socket tonight

[magic canopy]

we dropped hunter box and both rings in heroic

and then the erenogg ring dropped on Mythic as well

going back in to murder sennarth with + 15 ilvl from m+ spamming

[proud plover]

its all thee same track reegardless of where you loot it

[magic canopy]

nope

each difficulty is their own tracks

only items purchsed with dinars are the awakened track

[minor gust]

nice we just did heroic tonight spent the extra time after going to kill Fyrakk for more mounts

[proud plover]

oh right

[worldly kernel]

i just copped like 5 things from TW bt, even got a madness

[steep osprey]

Just saw a guy named Arms

And he is a druid

[worldly kernel]

you might have saw me

[steep osprey]

[worldly kernel]

cause I got 2 big ones

[steep osprey]

You're a druid?

[worldly kernel]

i got 2 big arms

also got a 496 pips from weekly

life is good

[steep osprey]

cool

[cold garnet]

i knew a guy that had paladin, warrior, shaman and priest just they weren’t on the correct class 🙂

[steep osprey]

did mage s1 win

[simple grove]

Gg lol

[cold garnet]

no

[lusty kraken]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dA9mMHzQ7fycgqrn#fight=39&type=damage-done&source=28 anyone got some insight on why it feels like im doing zdps

my sim is saying roughly like 215k, but im like 40k behind that

[boreal quartz]

Cooked trinkets for st

No way lego loses to that wep

Low ish ms cpm

[lusty kraken]

dont have leggo

rerolled into this toon a good way through the tier and never looted it

[boreal quartz]

Playing execute prio wrong for s3 set too

[sour forge]

this low key slaps

[boreal quartz]

Cant tell u a LOT tho cuz on phone

[lusty kraken]

wdym?

[boreal quartz]

With the s3 set you play the spam execute prio

[sour forge]

We still take vers buff in AA?

[boreal quartz]

Ms with 2ep 2 op>exe>op je below 40 rage

And if u have rage to execute entire time u just do that till dw drops

[lusty kraken]

ah, but that changes once new tier set is on

its just execute till 2 stacks then MS?

[boreal quartz]

Yea and ur doing that right

Just that it's currently biting ur ass not doing it

U also wanna check ur slam prio IMO

As u use it when ww should be off CD at times

[proper moth]

so uh grief torch is kinda nuts

[lusty kraken]

I appreciate the tips

[boreal quartz]

I can prolly give u some more once im home but that's a long time away

Wage cage...

[rare kite]

grieftorch is aight, but it's really cool

[simple olive]

9/9N, 8/9H, 9/9 LFR, not a single drop lol

At least I only have to look at the raid for one more boss

[proper moth]

4p acheived most of it is lfr lmao

[icy widget]

Totally not padding ilvl

[hexed saddle]

did u use wyrm + aspect crests

or just lots of m+ loot

[icy widget]

Lots of loot from m+ and raid, crafted 525 wrists

[hexed saddle]

surprised ur not higher

[icy widget]

Spent wryms, not super optimal oh well

[hexed saddle]

im 499 and I only spent drakes + didnt do a single m+

[boreal quartz]

No keystones questionmark

[hexed saddle]

nope

will do some tomorrow prob

we'll see

[boreal quartz]

Do not engage with keystone

Fake loot

[hexed saddle]

need cresticles

[nimble basin]

im confused about loot, on little sleep. is highest we get from m+ hero track? :S

[boreal quartz]

Always has been

[latent moss]

eyir socks

[verbal dirge]

🧦

[latent moss]

eyir cocks

[verbal dirge]

[nimble basin]

oh so we just need to do 7s at least

[lusty kraken]

8s give mythic track in vault

[nimble basin]

ah yeh sorry the picture makes sense now

[fading sage]

Ideally what stat goal should I aim for? I’m switching from fury to arms so I’m overloaded with mastery atm

I’m roughly 32/33/37/19

[boreal quartz]

It's the same as s3 but you have to add +10 in your head

[boreal quartz]

Sim

Stats sound fine

[proud lintel]

is puzzle box no longer the play for fury and arms?

[steep osprey]

nerf rets

dwarf fight in tyr is way worse

uldaman

[boreal quartz]

It's good but not godbis

[eternal cobalt]

that thing has cast time, so like opposite of bis.

[proper moth]

with the 4p bonus do we use cleave in ST in M+?

[boreal quartz]

Instead of slam if u dont eat op buffs ye

[proper moth]

gotcha gotcha ty

[steep osprey]

playing with rets feels so bad

[zealous basin]

I missed cleave

[boreal quartz]

Stop crying ur getting beat in damage lol

Simply pump harder

[proper moth]

^

only shitty thing about s4 is i have to watch my rend timer again

[steep osprey]

does not work, mobs die too fast to their burst

before i can do anything

[pure otter]

do higher keys

[boreal quartz]

Dont play warlock idioot

[steep osprey]

im a warrior lmao

[pure otter]

shit dies 2 fast, means its 2 easy cleave at higher levels king

[boreal quartz]

Do more damage what can I say

Also dont play fury

[steep osprey]

this is the arms channel

[boreal quartz]

You always have people yapping about fury in here and vice versa

[latent moss]

rip

u wont be missed

[steep osprey]

you will

[magic canopy]

First ring im buying is Diurnas ring

that shield is fucking insane

[proper moth]

dps one is the move let the healer deal with your hp

[steep osprey]

[proper moth]

huge

no allied wrists for you

[steep osprey]

F

[frosty remnant]

4pc day one this has never happened for me 😭

[pure otter]

gratz

[frosty remnant]

ty

[steep osprey]

I do not like you

[rotund creek]

gz

[proper moth]

ez

[steep osprey]

gz

I'm playing without BS

idk if that's better than with

this

[rotund creek]

no cleave?

[steep osprey]

i don't have the new 4p

[latent moss]

no s4 tier

[boreal quartz]

Play single bs

Jugg stank

[steep osprey]

ok let me find that build

where do I put the one point from Cleave?

Bloodbrone?

[boreal quartz]

Yep

[latent moss]

yep

[steep osprey]

Cool, thanks

[boreal quartz]

Or eb if ur wanting to play long sweep and do dam in 2t pulls

It's also just funny to play eb

[latent moss]

eb is fun as fuck

cant even lie

[steep osprey]

it does seem funny

is it a big loss?

for aoe

[latent moss]

its a loss for sure but idk how big

[steep osprey]

I know i'm yapping and complaining about ret a lot but I think it's shitty that a 1m dps spec does more damage than a 1.5m dps spec during their respective cds

[boreal quartz]

Not insane but not nothing

[boreal quartz]

I mean ur straightup not playing the max aoe build

And getting out padded

[steep osprey]

that is a good point but it's not worth it to play the aoe build when trash dies fast and boss is a problem

[lost rose]

anyone got sims for classes atm gotta start the propaganda

[steep osprey]

i don't have them in my pockets right this second

[latent moss]

no

we need to sandbag

arms

[steep osprey]

lmao

arms sims pretty high

surprising no tuning

[latent moss]

2nd higheast

[steep osprey]

who is first

[latent moss]

dev evoker

worst part is

[steep osprey]

of course they are

[latent moss]

fury isnt even low

xd

low middle

iirc

[steep osprey]

yeah i know

we were complaining about fury

but it's actually fine

[latent moss]

dont check assa rogue 💀

[steep osprey]

I wasn't going to

what's outlaw at

[latent moss]

390?

[steep osprey]

cool

that's what im playing along with arms

i'll most likely play fury in m+ when I get 4p

how do you guys get 4p quickly

[proper moth]

idk i crank in M+ but im also rolling 4p

[steep osprey]

catalyst is up right

[proper moth]

sniped 3 pieces from lfr then catalyst

[steep osprey]

sheesh

that is lucky af

[proper moth]

yeah

[steep osprey]

outlaw rogue already uses the same 4p

so im not in a hurry to get it lmao

[proper moth]

lol

[steep osprey]

but warrior yeah

gonna do some lfr i guess

[proper moth]

gl!

[steep osprey]

ty sir

btw anyone know if the totem side of bracken is a no no

i heard they nerfed it but idk

[boreal quartz]

They made right side cring and left good iirv

Iirc

[steep osprey]

ok im doing much better now

goofy group lmao

doing first bracken boss and the dh is just running away after being marked instead of standing behind the tank xdd

dh moment

[slow saddle]

well classic DH things

did he liv ?

e

[steep osprey]

N O

CAPS

No

[steep osprey]

we did the right side and it was fine

btw

frontals are bugged

[latent moss]

all dh players should be forced

[steep osprey]

most of the enemies doing frontals are facing the other direction

[latent moss]

into playing a tier as arms

[steep osprey]

while frontal is the other one

[latent moss]

with dhs in group

i love dathea pugs and brainless melee players

hmm today im gonna fel rush into my fellow warrior

with mark

[bleak fog]

Do we change our build for m+ with s3 gear?

[latent moss]

wdym s3 gear

its s4

[bleak fog]

Yeah did I say it was S3?

[latent moss]

with s4 u play cleave with s3 u dont

tier set

[bleak fog]

Ty

[uncut stag]

How do we get Fyrakk weapon this season? There is no group for Amidrisal raid

[bleak fog]

you wait for classic to come to DF

😛

[uncut stag]

that is a plan

[final dove]

can we do 2pc 2 pc?

or do we break 4 for 4

[boreal quartz]

Yes for ilvl

[hazy flower]

isnt the tier alone even bigger gain

wouldn't be surprised

2p in s1 was cranking

[pallid olive]

Is arms only better then furry in st or also in mt and cleave?

[crisp crane]

timewalking chest fixed?

[steep osprey]

yes

[latent moss]

ppaw said

its 4k

dps loss

but with ilvl gain its worth

[lime plank]

is fervor of battle with old tier set still an okay thing to play in m+?

[wind sinew]

hey guys can you guide me about craft item in season 4? what items or embelishments shoul i craft

[lime plank]

shadowflame patch x2 or shadowflame + bracers

[rare kite]

it's okay as in it's not troll, but it's the worst build out of the arms builds

[clever crag]

It always was

[lime plank]

so just juggernaut as always?

[rare kite]

1 bladestorm build

[lime plank]

ugh rly? bladestorm is the play again? :O

[rare kite]

always has been

[opaque citrus]

I mean you don’t have to

But it’s definitely very good

[latent moss]

jugg is a bait

[steep osprey]

is arms looking big

[latent moss]

2nd biggest

on st

[opaque citrus]

Extremely yes

[latent moss]

and pretty big in aoe

[steep osprey]

In M+, I mean

[latent moss]

very big

not destro/spriest big

but big

[steep osprey]

is the s4 tier set making that happen

[latent moss]

yes

[opaque citrus]

Cleave is back

[latent moss]

tier is busted

[steep osprey]

if you pull around destro, nothing is close to it in terms of aoe lmao

[latent moss]

its like

[lime plank]

ah thats the one with cleave right? i still have old set s3

[latent moss]

15% dps

that tier

xd

[steep osprey]

destro has ridiculous damage

[latent moss]

yes s1 buffed

[steep osprey]

but i feel like their damage in a normal dungeon is not that great

but it is good

destro owns on coordinated high keys

ive seen em do like 5m dps on algethar tree trash

[opaque citrus]

Destro needs to be played around

It’s not just free Dps for existing

[steep osprey]

yeah I know, if you just add a destro lock in a 6 key atm

or something like that

they're not gonna be that good

[opaque citrus]

Ya I was outdpsing good Destro players yesterday as arms

In like 7s

And I’m not really a good arms player Imo

[steep osprey]

SPriest is pretty big tho