arms

[halcyon breach]

That's not what I mean

Your priority changes based on having SS active or not

It flips every 15/21 seconds, on top of the rest you keep in mind as you're doing your rotation

[sour forge]

Either way if 6~ buttons is too much I guess go bm

[strange perch]

its weird, because half the people in this game want hard rotations and the other half want easier rotations

[rapid cedar]

It's not hard

It's annoying lol

[strange perch]

but longer rotations dont coorilate to more damage

it is annoying tbh

[halcyon breach]

There's hard rotations and then there's juggling a bunch of buttons that, to a certain degree, are all important to press while you also have procs in between resetting 3 of them

[grand idol]

The msot exciting thing they said in the dev post about warrior is that they intend to take arms to more of a rage maangement style. having downtime instead of worrying about whats in the next 3 globals makes me much better at mechanics.

[halcyon breach]

It wont be hard, just a lot to keep in mind as you do AoE

[rapid cedar]

So wod arms? 👀

[strange perch]

its like comparing ret to spriest, spriest is much harder with a harder rotation, just to do less damage

[grand idol]

my favorite spec ive ever palyed was nighthold assassination. it was a perfect balance of gcd locked stretches with resource management inbetween

[quaint otter]

Look at afli

[strange perch]

exactly! haha

[dull siren]

I had more Prot than Fury

[smoky kayak]

a man of refined culture and taste

[dire hinge]

was very red-toned this tier (minus the 4 keys as ele)

[sturdy juniper]

hey guys do we "know" what to buy with the new dinar?

[dull siren]

https://tenor.com/view/do-something-comeon-stickman-bored-gif-22722853

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-crunchy-cat-glasses-cat-luna-glasses-cat-gif-12732289841207803174

@gaunt owl kekw get owned bozo

[strange perch]

lol based

[fresh spire]

:o7

[dull siren]

that wasn't something :/

[fresh spire]

probs axe upgrade and full send crests week 2 i would imagine

we're pretty spoiled for options for tokens this time

2 rings, sark cloak, 2 trinkets. bonker

instead of just

[bleak galleon]

Being alive is sim bait I think sims should take into account having to be brezed

[fresh spire]

in my guild 100% isnt an option

tbh tho

keeping max hp with the ring combo likely easier in s4 than now

free barrier kinda nice

[smoky kayak]

kinda depends on what you loot, since you don't gain dinar very quickly, but priority should be something like
Axe Upgrade > Brand (if raid) > Silent Star (if you're not a wuss) > Diurna's Chosen > Chromatic Essence > Filial Duty ~= Ashkandur (if Fury)

[copper swan]

what is a wuss

[naive breach]

wdym if im not a WUSS

also can you get ashkandur from dinar thingy ??

[halcyon breach]

You can get any weapon and trinket with the Bullion

[minor gust]

Stamina is for the weak

[copper swan]

oh i see

[hazy flower]

no 🎱

[finite mantle]

if I’m a wuss ur a dweeb

[outer holly]

Wuss crew unite

[naive breach]

ahhhh

i thought there were no weapons in there

[copper swan]

still 1 bullion per week ?

[dull siren]

if I'm a dweeb ur a troglodyte

[halcyon breach]

There is, as well as another Vendor with all the mogs for Bullions if you should so desire

[naive breach]

https://www.worldanvil.com/uploads/images/c7aef9aed8d4fe179fff82fd4fcc5cac.png tmy spotted

troglodyte KING

[visual fern]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7vP9AXHpNq83RfJj#fight=last
Guys archi rerolling rogue

Expostered

[naive breach]

@halcyon breach do we know if those dinar thingys are capped? do we know that

[last gate]

@visual fern I’m telling people we are dating

[smoky kayak]

it's a joke, but in all seriousness

• if you're mostly raiding, Silent Star is fine for Warriors (especially if you have Filial Duty shield on top)
• if you're pushing really high M+, you probably don't want the stamina loss

[visual fern]

https://tenor.com/bbAHQ.gif

[halcyon breach]

There's a cap that'll increase each week up to 6 (iirc), and there's a catchup to each increase in case you missed some weeks

Although it'll be 1 Bullion per week

[naive breach]

ye but there is no after x bullions you dont get one anymore or

[hazy flower]

a bit cringe that it's only 1 tbf

[halcyon breach]

I don't know honestly

[hazy flower]

I mean fine if its 1 but start with like 2 or 4

[halcyon breach]

I imagine they're endless until end of Fated

[naive breach]

tbf i didint even check so far trinket wise what we take

reawakened at the end of s3

checking my boys tmy secret doc

[smoky kayak]

Signet and OCE if you can get people stacking it, Icon is also an option

[naive breach]

cataclysmic signet you meany eah

[smoky kayak]

Signet Brand, yes

[naive breach]

unethical double stat stick trinket

[vague nova]

For m+ only do we still want to take axe upgrade first? I don’t raid besides heroic pugs for achieve, that idrc to stat and gear for.

[fresh spire]

by the look of the transmog vendor would imagine so :o7

[vague nova]

Didnt know if there’s a huge m+ trinket

[naive breach]

legendary should be pretty nobrainer first upgrade

[vague nova]

I assumed so but did not want to “waste” my first buy

[dire hinge]

very safe first upgrade 👍

[quasi torrent]

balln't

[halcyon breach]

ballshd

[naive sage]

Weapon damage is the greatest increase to dps in all contents, sooo

[fresh spire]

Me when I get castrated for some edge memes

[untold aspen]

Any Tiers % gain spreadsheet or at least Warrior one?

[dire hinge]

measurements are done based on having no tier as the baseline:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2xMgnMM5Udo8mpn9n3gx8IymKNabO-jg3LnE7LQV_t-EjQPcAzqiDdjztIOwZW/pubhtml

[untold aspen]

Thanks!

[dire hinge]

of course! Good luck out there this week 🫡

[opal cave]

Icy-Vein page has been updated for Season 4

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/arms-warrior-pve-dps-guide

[quartz adder]

On wednesday, will trying to get the axe be harder? since the raids will rotate? or am i drunk?

[winged creek]

over under on them making these unusable tomorrow

[dire hinge]

axe aquisition should be slightly easier since you will go up in item level but the Amirdrassil raid itself wont be empowered for a few weeks, meaning you can beat it on Heroic with better gear than you have today, while the raid itself isn't scaled up

[young axle]

Giga mistake to not just have it purchaseable tbh

[dire hinge]

they did the same thing in Shadowlands yeah, would be nice to just buy it vs needing to acquire-and-upgrade it, but such is the way things go sometimes

[quartz adder]

So ppl wont do Amirdrassil until its empowered?

[young axle]

Blizzard game design 👍

[young axle]

You are like almost guaranteed to find Plate groups going for axe still

[dire hinge]

if anything, i'd be there will be very large amounts of players doing Amirdrassil specifically when it's not-empowered, since the raid is "easier"

[untold aspen]

I think it's just the opposite, you want to "abuse" the fact that you gonna destroy it with more ILV for mount and boosts

[quartz adder]

ive done so many runs now that i should get it in LFR xd

[dire hinge]

haha, well i hope you have a fast drop soon!

you can have all of my axe luck

[quartz adder]

tyty ❤️

[fading sage]

Is BSL worth it for prog or not really? If not, what would a good alternative embell/neck be for S4?

[dire hinge]

if you're worried about uptime with BSL, you can reach for Shadowflame Patches instead and they perform similarly without worry about your current HP, likely going on Belt/Bracers

[winged brook]

Do we have a talent tree for s4?

[dull siren]

Prog -
Shadowflame + Bracers
If you have sockets -
Lariat takes over Shadowflame.
If you can keep BSL over 35% uptime, It's better than all of these.

in the long run

[winged brook]

Couldn't find any on wowhead

[dull siren]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2xMgnMM5Udo8mpn9n3gx8IymKNabO-jg3LnE7LQV_t-EjQPcAzqiDdjztIOwZW/pubhtml

You can check all builds + talnets

in the sims links

[winged brook]

Aight thanks, as soon as I figure out how to read this excel sheet

[dull siren]

Hover the "Simulation"

Gives you a link

to raidbots

[sour forge]

Guides will most likely be updated tomorrow as well

[fading sage]

There’s some stuff already updated on wowhead it appears. It still says S3 but mentions S4 verbiage

[fading sage]

Thanks a ton!!

[dull siren]

If you like M+, BSL takes over there as well so.

[dry frost]

So it says awakening leggo only puts it to 502 but can be upgraded? If max ilvl is 535 that soulds like a shit ton of crests and Flightstones

[fading sage]

You can save crests/stones if a weapon drops from mythic plus

[dry frost]

Does it only upgrade to 502 or is that a typo though? That seems like a big jump

[dire hinge]

Not a typo. The item itself takes us from 496->502 (6ilvl jump) then it allow us to upgrade the axe further with crests/flightstones to 535 (new cap), taking it 32 ilvl higher still
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/dragonflight-season-4-overview-mythic-plus-awakened-raids#legendaries

[dry frost]

Ok just thought I'd confirm cause 32 ilvls of upgrades sounds like a lot

Sounds expensive too

[dire hinge]

I dont have PTR installed at the moment, but the math on that would be 4 upgrades of 8ilvl a pop for an even 32, but I can't directly confirm it and dont want to reinstall to check

or 8 upgrades of 4, but that sounds haunted

[dry frost]

I havent messed around on ptr enough to see it

I can check

[woven wasp]

i imagine it follows the regular upgrade track

[dry frost]

o

I think ptrs are down

makes sense

[dire hinge]

yeh for sure. Probably 4 upgrades of 8ilvl. That player-responsible ilvl gap of 32 is only divisible by 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, and 32 for whole numbers so it makes the most sense

[charred quest]

Is there any increase in leggo acquisition in a fated raid? Or no change/unknown?

[dire hinge]

they buffed drop rates a few weeks ago, but there hasn't been any fated-specific changes at this time

if you do it on heroic every week you have a 100% drop rate on your 15th attempt (or 16th?)

that said, in these oppening few weeks, there will be periods where Amirdrassil is unempowered, meaning you can go in there and easily clear it with far less effort than before

[woven wasp]

as in it starts at awakened 4/14 or something and goes to 535 at 14/14

[dire hinge]

exactly yeah, i just hope it wouldn't be 8 upgrades needed, but hey if those early ones only take Drakes/Wryms that's easy enough

[charred quest]

Thx!

[proud plover]

mythic amirdrassil should be easier that also has an increased dop rate + a chance for a rollable one also

[nimble basin]

switching to arms for s4 I assume we just use the main s3 spec till new tier? Just want to practise today tbh.

[proud plover]

yep and the rotation/spec doesnt change dastically with new tier

in st*

[nimble basin]

oh that's good then. will practise it a bunch today cheers.

[lost timber]

So is it a +20 for tomorrows vault?

Or doesnt matter?

[proud plover]

^^ Benzai said doesnt matter so im taking their word for it and not doing a key

[lost timber]

I know all keys will be +2

But do we get any gear from vault?

[proud plover]

yes last s3 loot

[nimble basin]

does it change drastically for m+?

[lost timber]

Oh, still s3 loot

[proud plover]

yeah it takes cleave talents, you swap ms/cleave use depending on target count and sweeping stikes etc

although ill still prolly keep the same jugg spec im using atm for m+ and forget about cleave

st/2t prio damage with all aoe from ss op/dn and 1m roar

900k ms crits should be a thing

[dim jay]

i ended up just subbing out fatality for M+ and took cleave, otherwise just played normal build, but i rarely had the chance to dps on my warr since everyone needed a tank

[proud plover]

fatality is kinda meh for m+

[dim jay]

ye

why i would drop it the few times i was able to dps +'s

[proud plover]

this is what im using to pump +18 weekly keys atm

note no SoS

does what it needs to do

[final dove]

My god the amount of consumables next xpac jesus

[proud plover]

what you mean its same as now?

[sour forge]

At that point just do fob

[proud plover]

fob dosnt have the st/2t pump like this build does

[final dove]

so we dont need dinar to upgrade it? or whatever the new name is called

[proud plover]

yes, bullion to buy upgrade then flightstones and crests

[dire hinge]

You’ll use two dinars to buy the item to covert it to Season 4 (502ilvl) then go from there with crests and flightstones yeah

[final dove]

ah okay

is it recommended that we upgrade the axe first?

[robust ridge]

#arms message

[strange perch]

do we know if dinars will have a cap

[proud plover]

the bullion gear is normal only right?

[proud plover]

i dont think so due to being able to buy tmog

[strange perch]

so well have full bis by the end of the season

[robust ridge]

Soft cap week by week, doesn’t look like a hard cap outside of the length of the season

Yeh; excluding any niche dungeon items you might not get lucky on

[proud plover]

yes makes it easier to play mop timerunning and not fall behind on gearing

[strange perch]

https://tenor.com/view/not-funny-dwayne-johnson-seven-bucks-the-rock-fake-laugh-gif-20130201

[proud plover]

https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approval-gif-21066931

[strange perch]

https://tenor.com/view/zac-afron-gif-24495678

[snow flame]

@smoky kayak interseting that omnious is bis

was hoping it was gonna be dodged kek

thought it was gonna be another puzzle box angle atleast we won't have 2 cast lol

[strange perch]

i could see it

[dire hinge]

Puzzlebox isn’t far off, if your raid doesn’t have full OCE stat coverage it does impact the value slightly

Whispering too

[proud plover]

fuck pb and its change so cant be cast inside gcd

[snow flame]

Yeah I guess the guide is updated

but the title of it isnt

[strange perch]

whats the second trinket if omnious is the other one

[snow flame]

brand

[snow flame]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/arms/bis-gear

[lone imp]

Seems really unlikely to get full oce buffs or even full icon buffs

[snow flame]

it says the wrong patch but it looks updated

[lone imp]

Icy veins updated today if nothing else

[strange perch]

would icon still be good for M+ considering if one other had it as well

[snow flame]

going off this

I'd assume so

[proud plover]

ooo anvil

[strange perch]

ahh, i see

[smoky kayak]

patch isn't live yet, that stuff will get batch updated tomorrow

and there are a few other pages still being worked through

[snow flame]

got you I do have a question

[smoky kayak]

good for you

[snow flame]

in the short bis list it says brand and OCE are bis

[smoky kayak]

[strange perch]

rofl

[snow flame]

but on the gear list it says fyrakk and brand

is that intentional

[smoky kayak]

the pages aren't updated man

we just covered this

[snow flame]

ok

well it had everything else so I assumed it was my b

[smoky kayak]

it's got about half of everything else

[proud plover]

sims updated tomorrow right?

[smoky kayak]

raidbots will update after the patch goes live in NA

[outer holly]

Is the swap back to Blademaster's Torment in the Cleave build purely because it takes MBG?

[proud plover]

allows a longer hurricane buff

[outer holly]

Ah so not the reason. Looking at these sims I'm not a big fan of losing that much ST for the aoe advantage with MBG cleave, feels more like jugg is gonna be the play for me

[proud plover]

i mean depends on content - fob going to fuck hard in aa tree boss for example - mbg is is nice for those adds

[sour forge]

I’m of the opinion that mbg is just padding

[outer holly]

Though I'm concerned with their lack of CC and stamina talents, feels like it might also be a contributing factor

[proud plover]

def stance - dont really need stam talents - just dont use voice cloak

[wise sable]

OH looks like i stopped in at a good time

hi, i'm...well new to the discord, not new to playing arms.

I was blessed with the axe a few weeks back and have decided to main arms for my guild for s4.

what are our like....key items for s4? do we WANT the sark cloak or no?

[sour forge]

Good choice it’s the better of the 2 dps war

[proud plover]

let the other classes cc, stormbolt, spell reflect, dbts, victory rush and ip for higher content

[wise sable]

i've never liked fury

[proud plover]

its a free buff you want it if you get it and survivability isnt an issue

[outer holly]

S3 Fury was my jam but Arms is home

[wise sable]

i suppose i should ask: what is our dinar shopping list?

[sour forge]

Isn’t sark cloak like -100k hp. Or more

[outer holly]

Archi already came out with a list

[sour forge]

Leggo>aug

That’ll hold you for 3 weeks

[outer holly]

#arms message

[proud plover]

aug??? you want brand

[wise sable]

does the volcoross necklace have any use/synergy with the axe dot?

does shadowflame damage (from the dot) count as fire damage?

[proud plover]

yes

[sour forge]

Brand for raid. Doesn’t arms still like Aug though

[outer holly]

nah aug is fury

[sour forge]

Oh wait it was oce potentially for m+ I think

[wise sable]

i would assume brand/anvil for raid/long fights so it can ramp up

ALSO didn't brand get buffed? so it procs off of procs now?

[proud plover]

im telling you, anvil for m+ cause oce only good if everyone using it

[proud plover]

yes 🙂

[wise sable]

i am so used to OCE meaning oceanic

not the trinket, b/c i never played in s2

also, why OCE over icon?

plz explain trinket choice (i am unfamiliar with trinkets from s1 or s2)

[proud plover]

icon nerfed, it was giving more stats than intended - its not bad tho

[wise sable]

not bad, but OCE better stat stick?

out of curiosity how does pips stack up?

[proud plover]

lists/sims etc will all be updated after reset

[wise sable]

right

[outer holly]

It's like the same but slightly worse cuz chance to proc is less consistency than anything perma

[wise sable]

ALSO in the bis list it says go with crafted boots over crafted belt

in theory wouldn't crafted belt be better? carry over hypothetical permanent upgrades? more like....concrete home for a socket?

[outer holly]

though getting an instant vers proc on pull with leggo feels pretty good

[wise sable]

true, and less choice. I ASSUME OCE offers haste from one of the oathstones? Pips has no haste

[proud plover]

oce gives all

[sour forge]

Anvil and brand you do have the issue of dropping stacks

[proud plover]

you just need 4 others to be using it and using a diff stone buff

[outer holly]

yeah you can choose either 1 of any stat or a small amount of all, the secondary effect aside

[proud plover]

only if your tank pulls slow

[sour forge]

It’s possible is all I’m saying

[outer holly]

Anvil+brand on the tank, then you're cooking

[sour forge]

Nelth might be slightly tricky

[wise sable]

so anvil/brand are slow. I assume OCE is just our permanent stat stick we don't ever un-equip. What's our go to for M+/fast pulls?

[outer holly]

fragment

[proud plover]

i love anvil even if it isnt in the lists, you can 'use' it between pulls to keep the buff/reset its timer

[outer holly]

or brand, it's really good

[wise sable]

Also, sadly I "cannot" grab both VotI fire proc rings, so I assume the dps one is preferred over the absorb shield one?

LIKE AN ABSOLUTE FOOL I socketed my flavor pocket into my ring to make a ring pop

but as such that means it's either ring pop or absorb proc

[wise sable]

fragment....of what

sorry i'm still learning all the terminology

[hazy flower]

I assume he means trinket from hoi

[outer holly]

Irideus I think? can't remember spelling

[hazy flower]

Big main stat on use

[outer holly]

yeah

[hazy flower]

Decreases with each spell used

[wise sable]

AH that fragment

[outer holly]

like fragment you're gonna have BIG numbers on your aoe pulls, but brand keeps chugging through on bosses, if you can keep it up it's often worth it

I don't know all S1 dungeons though so not sure how feasible that is

[wise sable]

so, dinnar shopping list/priority list

• Axe ilvl upgrade doohickey
• Sark Napkin (assuming you can survive the stam loss)
• Diurna's Chosen (dot proc)
• OCE (stat stick go brrt)
• useful trinket of choice?

[gilded kraken]

is there anything stopping me from just going into amirdrassil during non amirdrassil weeks in s4 to try and get leggo

[wise sable]

like for nokhud i can;'t imagine brand/anvil being good

way too much travel time

[wise sable]

norp 😄

[gilded kraken]

so you can just send it and upgrade?

[hazy flower]

It could still be good maybe

[proud plover]

im in the same boat, take dps one - im planning on crafted neck with sflame for st/raid and swap to lariet for m+ / vers bracer / shield ring is nice if using voice cloak to add to survivability

[hazy flower]

If you split each area into 8 mins

[wise sable]

afaik jewelery cannot take flame patch

[hazy flower]

Or 8:30

And you chain

[wise sable]

has to be an armor piece

i would go belt, b/c you can socket it and throw the shadowflame belt buckle thingy for more stamina. very like...concrete crafted slot.

[proud plover]

there are portals and flying betewen earlier packs is fast - its the travel to last boss that sux

[hazy flower]

..portals?

[proud plover]

i possibly meant bsl, this lives in my head atm havent made a spreadsheet

[wise sable]

POINT STANDS belt imo is an excellent crafting slot b/c it's "permanent"

throw the stam item and a socket into it

sure it's expensive but once crafted you ain't swapping it out (probably)

[proud plover]

im a bs and the price of pockets took a nose dive

[outer holly]

I do like the idea, if Im gonna wear a crafted piece, it's gonna be crafted to the teets

[wise sable]

like that's what i did on my hunter (main) in s3

crafted belt, put on flavor pocket, shadowflame belt buckle thingy, and socketed it

mf bat belt

[proud plover]

i had a 483 belt for half a season, crafted a 486 - looted a 489 belt 2 weeks ago

[wise sable]

THAT'S HOW IT WORKS

[proud plover]

yep

[wise sable]

YOU INVEST IN A PIECE AND THE GAME GIVES YOU A SLIGHTLY BETTER ONE

[proud plover]

im happy its low haste higfh vers and im loving vers atm

[wise sable]

also any sockets we put into crafted pieces get destroyed when we upgrade them to s4 stuff right?

[proud plover]

not if it crafted with a socket - only the seasonal one you add

eg ring/neck

[wise sable]

yeah yeah yeah

nature's cradle

ALSO BROTHERS can i get an outfit check?

yay or nay

[outer holly]

got a big hunter/druid vibe to it

[wise sable]

moo?

[latent moss]

shit race

[hazy flower]

only nelfs

(used to be only humans but ever since the forced swap it's nelf>human)

[wise sable]

forced swap?

[hazy flower]

Ive been forced

By my healer

[wise sable]

OH right question, when do we swap to new tier set? is it an ilvl thing? (i ask this b/c BM hunter for s3 did not go 2-2, it jumped from full 4 set to full 4 set)

i know the bottom line is always just to sim yourself

[proud plover]

2+2 is great

ms/cleave damage by 15% and 10% crit chance

[wise sable]

do we actually spec into cleave with the s1 set?

[outer holly]

in m+ yeah

[proud plover]

and old 2set still pumps with rend damage + still increases SD procs

both fury and prot will be waiting for full 4set cause 2+2pc wont work

[wise sable]

that's funny.

AND SAD b/c i love playing prot, but unlike blood, prot can't use the axe

[proud plover]

i love prot

its my prefered playstyle outside of content high enough for arms to be fun

[wise sable]

but that leads me to my funny headcannon. QUESTION FOR YOU. Does Ghoklak (the fyrakk 1h axe) look like a mini fyralath to you?

I like to think that when sidearm procs, i just throw my mini fyralath at the guy

[outer holly]

Smacking mobs in the face with a shield is probably the best thing in this game

prot does rule

[proud plover]

ive never noticed - i keep TF tmogged for prot weapons

[wise sable]

i think the like shame of it KINDA looks like a mini fyralath, no?

so while i smack a poor fool with a big fyralath i yeet a mini one at his friend

[proud plover]

i mean kinda sure

[wise sable]

anyway that's just the dumb headcannon i have

also I don't touch fury, but I have to wonder how stronk fyralath + ashkandur is going to be

[snow flame]

@smoky kayak the exploiters are back and using your name

[proud plover]

not worth playing it compared to arms imo

[snow flame]

[smoky kayak]

you're about 5 hours late lol, but yeah I know

[snow flame]

lol my b was about to go to bed and saw this

[smoky kayak]

they actually changed to my name about a month ago, but they publicly logged something earlier today and it's been all over Discord & Twitter since

https://twitter.com/lofibanshee/status/1782529125896364438

jordan 📊🩵 (@lofibanshee) on X

The Torghast Power abusers have returned with a guild called "Fun Police" clearly not happy about specific individuals ruining their exploits. 😂😂😂

Twitter · Apr 22, 2024, 9:57 PM

there's a big ol twitter thread about it

[proud plover]

lmao

[snow flame]

I’m pretty sure they sold m+ title carries because it shot up at an insane rate and at the same time they came back

Yeah that’s the post I just saw didn’t realized you were tagged lol

[proud plover]

we sould create a guild called <Cant do it without exploits> and populate it with their og names

and just grey parse lfr

[wise sable]

OK i have a question that may seem really dumb but i haven't done any research/reading (lmao reading) into how to optimally play arms

DO I USE SLAM?? like is there any reason for me to use it? i know it's just a rage dump but i have always just used tclap or whirlwind to proc tactician

[smoky kayak]

you don't use it in S4, no - it's been pretty well replaced by Storm of Swords Whirlwind and Thunder Clap

you will use it again in Alpha (as it stands right now)

[wise sable]

OK so i was right to never use it in general. I didn't use it at all in s3, glad to know i still don't need to fill my action bars with it

[strange perch]

[dire hinge]

we did use it in Season 3, but no you wont lose anything continuing that mindset in season 4

[wise sable]

and we don't use rend by itself either right? that just gets auto applied via talent/

[dire hinge]

correct yeah

[smoky kayak]

it still had a little bit of use in S3, but honestly you're not hurting much by just not using it at all lol

[wise sable]

i played my warrior VERY casually in s3, but now that i have the axe and i've made the decision (for now) to main him into s4, i feel like i should learn the ins and outs of how to zug zug the right way

ALSO (and i know this is completely out of left field) i want to learn the ins and outs of arms warrior just to dunk on help and teach my younger brother.

He has been playing arms warrior for years, it's literally his only character and only spec but he plays it omega casually and I want to both help him and correct him b/c he plays it "his own way" and gets mad/upset when he doesn't do big numbers despite doing things 'his way"

so figuring out how it works i might be able to like.....trick him into doing better. but that's neither here nor there

[dire hinge]

as long as you're both having fun, go for it ❤️

[wise sable]

like as an older brother i feel responsible for helping him see WHY he's being dumb, but also to help him to fix it

like....he doesn't take rend

BUT i digress, this ain't the place to complain about my younger brother's headassery.

[dire hinge]

as they say, leading the horse to water is the hard part for sure

[wise sable]

you can't make it drink, but you can hold it's head under until the bubbles stop

ALSO how are we feeling about arms getting ravager? yay or nay?

[dire hinge]

that's dark and uncomfortable, considering it's family. If you have any questions about arms as you begin your journey, most can be found in the wowhead guides, but we are here to help if you have any warrior related questions you need clarity on

Arms getting ravager is very, very good for the spec

[opaque citrus]

ground target aoe zzz

[wise sable]

i like using it on prot, so happy to see arms get access to it

ok, i think i have everything i need (for now) going into s4

what's on the todo list for tomorrow? Like what is there to do to gear up once the new season drops? Can we run mythics? I always forget what avenues there are to get new gear first thing

[minor gust]

Spam M+ for gear and do the raid

can just spam +9s for hero track gear

[wise sable]

is m+ available first thing??

[minor gust]

yes

[wise sable]

😮

big pog

[minor gust]

been like that all expansion

[wise sable]

sorry, my head is filled with calculus

head empty, no common sense, no memory

ONLY MULTIVARIABLE CALCULUS

[minor gust]

ouch I made my head delete all calculus with the power of drugs

[wise sable]

ALTHO ngl, i really want the axe on my DK too

the thought of tanking with that axe gives me goose bumps

[proud plover]

leggo killed me 😦

[wise sable]

your willpower is waning

[visual fern]

@jovial topaz

[sour forge]

Have you tried not dying

[jovial topaz]

@visual fern

[proud plover]

i was kinda busy staying infront of the feral druid..

got em tho

[wise sable]

ok so aside from OCE and Brand/Anvil, what trinkets can get farmed from m+?

what GOOD trinkets*

[proud plover]

puzzlebox/irid frag are the standout - that haste one from rlp is also good

[dire hinge]

none of those you initially named come from mythic plus for transparency. Dungeon trinkets would be ones like Puzzlebox, Bladebinder's Hoof, Irideus Fragment, etc

[proud plover]

^^ hoof, that one

dont forget to pickup a grieftorch and run mechanics onto your fellow players to cause resets for massive damage

[wise sable]

that's what i mean. I can abuse my adhd super power of HYPERFOCUS to grind a m+ until I get a big drop, namely trinkets. (don't need to farm weapons since I have the axe)

[dire hinge]

can always just sim options in raidbots tomorrow as well, or as you get trinkets dropped

ilvl will be massive out of the gate

[proud plover]

yeah nothing specific in m+ to target if you get the raid trinkets

[wise sable]

true, do we know the ilvl/track breakdown of the m+ for next season?

currently i think i'll farm irid fragment. since apparently that's good for shorter/slower pulls where anvil/brand can't keep up?

[proud plover]

you can also get hearo track items from m0 doti hardmode correct?

[dire hinge]

sure do, all on wowhead
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/mythic-plus-dungeons/dragonflight-season-4/overview#item-level-loot-table

[wise sable]

are keystones only going to 10 next season???

[dire hinge]

yes

[wise sable]

weiiiird

[proud plover]

and no timer until 11

[dire hinge]

take current dungeon level and just subtract 10 off of them

[wise sable]

NO TIMER???

[proud plover]

🙂

[dire hinge]

haha, no, that's not true

no timer on mythic 0s, which were the equivolent of +10s in the past

[wise sable]

ok so mythic 0s are the new mythic 10s? can they be repeatedly grinded?

[dire hinge]

no reason to, just run a +2 or higher instead

[wise sable]

gotcha

[dire hinge]

mythic plus is open day one

[wise sable]

gotcha gotcha

[dire hinge]

here, this may be of assistance, it's like a cheat sheet for everything happening:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/dragonflight-season-4-overview-mythic-plus-awakened-raids

[proud plover]

m0 doti for mirror

cheat death/healer trinkts - all with hero track ilvl right

[dire hinge]

unsure on that one, haven't paid that much attention to DotI

[wise sable]

this is very useful, thank

i wonder how the accelerating hourglass stacks up

always liked using that, entirely passive

[proud plover]

hourglass was a fun prot trinket

[wise sable]

just realized we'll be able to farm hero track gear (and aspect level crests?) without having to deal with the annoying final affix

[proud plover]

yeah based on this a m0 doti piece will be champ track and goto 509 ilvl

[dire hinge]

yuppers, though tbf you could do 16s for aspect crests for some time now

[wise sable]

but i do think DotI has a hard mode for hero track pieces

[wise sable]

but you'd need to do 17+ to get hero track gear

which means 2 affixes

bUT NOW the 3rd affix doesn't kick in until level 10

[dire hinge]

oh i know

👍

[proud plover]

its a great change for alts

no longer spamming 2-5 then 6-10 keys for crests

[wise sable]

hopefully they don't like....lock aspect crest farming behind level 10 keys....

that would be so painful

[proud plover]

they arent

[dire hinge]

now i just want to see crest aquisition work like reputation does, where once your main accomplishes "Dreaming of Wyrms" your alts just get 100% more until they also get it.

[proud plover]

Wyrm Crests will be available in Mythic +2 to Mythic +5 dungeons in the same quantities as existing Mythic+ dungeons.
Aspect Crests will be available in any Mythic difficulty from +6 and up, also in the same quantities as existing Mythic+ dungeons.

[wise sable]

GOD THIS WOULD BE SO NICE

now THAT is a catchup mechanic

[proud plover]

this 100%

[wise sable]

i feel like they just reduced the like...meta/elitism of m+ a TON with this. still competitive numbers wise but now you no longer need to run like meta uber strats each week unless you're really pushing keys (10 and higher)

[proud plover]

meta uber keys arent 10+, they will be 20 imo

[dire hinge]

i mean, with 10s not even having a 2nd real affix to them, it's akin to how you can get KSM with all 11s currently

[proud plover]

back to the legion days of key numbers

[wise sable]

also i've run rise over 200 times. what the heck would constitute a "hard mode"?

[proud plover]

zero deaths

shit in there has extra stuff on m0 that you dont see in m+

abilities etc

[wise sable]

ohhh interesting

[proud plover]

ive only ever come close earlier in season and i died on morchie

group gave up on it lol

[wise sable]

so hardmode doesn't have usual affix stuff, just more mechanics?

[proud plover]

no affixes at all but yes more mechanics

[dire hinge]

if you want specific info on it:
https://www.wowhead.com/news/hard-mode-immortal-dawn-of-the-infinites-guide-drops-441-myth-track-loot-333988

[proud plover]

or faster ticking things

[modern kindle]

brand new arms warrior here

[errant bough]

can it scale with amount of alts done too pls getting twice as much is cool but on alt 10 I still don't wanna do my 30 dungies

[proud plover]

welcome

[lean geode]

We fobbin tomorrow?

[dire hinge]

rep currently scales lower rep benchmarks based how far you've progressed. If it was a mirror of the rep mechanics, an example would be:

• Main has achieved Dreaming of Wyrms
• Alt would get 200% more crests for anything below Wryms
• Alt would get 100% more Wyrms until it also no longer needs Wyrms

[modern kindle]

thank you

[proud plover]

please submit this as a suggestion

[dire hinge]

i'd hope someone smarter than me thought of this far before i did

[proud plover]

they have xp catchup in tww - add this also

[errant bough]

yea they show ability to make alt achievements

add this too

[proud plover]

im leveling 20+ toons every xpac, mostly for timewalking and m+ weekly's

[errant bough]

1 alt 75% more stones/crests 150% 225% 300% 375% or something like that

make it happen

alts are cringe

[proud plover]

being new to arms and Skyhold - check the pins for all important info, wowhead guides are written by members of this discord and is the best place to look for introductory info and feel free to ask any questions in here - guides dont explain the 'why', we do 🙂

[gaunt owl]

[wise sable]

so uh

i think season 4 came earlier?

my brother just got whelpling awakened crests

and lost all his flight stones

[smoky kayak]

pics or it didn't happen

[proud plover]

im logging back in now to check mine'

[smoky kayak]

I don't see any crests there

[tropic relic]

i see crests on my inventory

hes a phony and a liar

[wise sable]

no BUT my trinket is degragded

[tropic relic]

get em

[smoky kayak]

I mean the season might have ended early, but that's kinda w/e

[dry frost]

oshit yeah my shit is degraded too

[smoky kayak]

not degraded, just not upgradeable anymore

[proud plover]

yep same all items are no longer upgardable, i still have the crests

[smoky kayak]

looks like the season ended(?), is ended but the new one hasn't started yet - M+ hasn't rolled over, raid isn't awakened yet

[proud plover]

flightstones are gone

[smoky kayak]

yeah it looks like the season half-way rolled over

prob just blizz getting ahead of the game

[eternal tapir]

Hey, I'm quite new to warrior and looking for a bit of resources. Is there anyone who makes spreadsheet with simulation info like Fuu does for rogues?

[smoky kayak]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2xMgnMM5Udo8mpn9n3gx8IymKNabO-jg3LnE7LQV_t-EjQPcAzqiDdjztIOwZW/pubhtml

not really a whole lot to see this season, given that it's an old tier bonus we've already used and all but one gear slot are taken up by tier/crafted/cantrips

[dense nimbus]

Any changes in optimizing the legendary use for arms ?

[smoky kayak]

not particularly, still a matter of "use it when you won't die"

either before cooldowns or after them - each fight will favor a little differently based on its own timing

[dense nimbus]

After cds means after TOM is over as well?

[eternal tapir]

Thank you

[dense nimbus]

Yes just asking target dummy wise

[proud plover]

avatar/cs/tom - the only exception is iftk because leggo benefits from the haste

but losing cs damage bonus from other things hurts

[hexed pecan]

does this screenshot from the early rollover mean uncapped crests? or just cuz crests are uncapped in S3 atm?

[proud plover]

id say uncapped cause s3

[hexed pecan]

thats what im thinking but im also coping

[proud plover]

i dont believe that was intended yet

[hexed pecan]

yea just wasnt sure if an early rollover wouldve brought a cap with it if a cap exists in S4

[alpine burrow]

Has the season ended? Are the conquest and honor vendors still there?

[turbid hollow]

how much of a dps loss is it to not have the leggo to play arms in raid?

[boreal quartz]

For s3 bout 10k sim dps which is 6% in sims kinda

[proud plover]

you can still play arms in raid without it tho, not like its gated behind clearing it

[turbid hollow]

just thought about switching to warrior this tier but not sure how much it will hurt not having it

[proud plover]

from what class?

cause comparing arms to arms with leggo or arms without leggo to another class is a diff convo

[turbid hollow]

used to play rogue and DK back in s2, didnt play s3

[proud plover]

well safe to say that without s3 gear a fresh arms warrior might be better than rogue or dk - until rogue or dk get gear

[boreal quartz]

You cannot get a r1 without lego - 99 in mythic is doable (or rather was when not everyone had it)

[proud plover]

ilvl on leggo kinda makes arms pump in the higher gear levels, its by far the biggest upgrade

[turbid hollow]

i see, thank you for the info

[wind vault]

Which would be a "safier" choice for pugging m+, OCE, Icon or Pips? Since You cannot really tell if others will be using any of first 2

[proud plover]

anvil/signet brand/pb or any trinket that doesnt involve others to use it also

but pips is kinda nice

storm eaters boon tho, big aoe

[wind vault]

I don't think anvil and signet are good choices for pugs since many tanks are not chain pulling so stacks can fall off easly

[proud plover]

fragment/nelths ctc are also viable aoe options

frag really depends on tank pull size

[wind vault]

Yeah I was mostly thinking about neltharion and Pips

But icon is spimming kinda High even without others involved

[proud plover]

i dont think there will be a '2 bis trinkets' tbh

[proud plover]

thats because its a straight up stat stick with no downsides, the bonus only comes in to play when tank or healers are using them

that might be the hard part to play with that cause so many better options for tanks n heals

[wind vault]

Yeah You are right

I think I am gonna stick to neltharion + Pips since I like both

[proud plover]

im an anvil fan all the way

anvil/signet/oce going to be my targets

[outer holly]

Anvil/Brand High Rollers Club

[proud plover]

id be interested if popping the on use of anvil out of combat also keeps brand stacks running

[median pollen]

it does

oh it keeps anvil stacks

[proud plover]

i know it refreshes anvil stacks but signet brand also? id be in my heaven if it does

[median pollen]

idk about brand

[dire hinge]

Brand should be combat status only

[proud plover]

watch me pull things for the tank with dbts running so i dont drop stacks lmao

[dire hinge]

Can punch a squirrel critter as you run past it though. It can be their divine purpose

[outer holly]

speaking of combat status only, that toy never seemed to work properly for me to keep the brand stacks rolling

[still fox]

is it wayne what key we play this week? before reset?

[boreal quartz]

U needed to ww after using the toy

[errant bough]

nothing u do this week matters

[proud plover]

you get last s3 vault is all

[errant bough]

ye and that stuff is likely replaced day 1

[proud plover]

doubt day 1

[errant bough]

if u grindin

[proud plover]

im still using 483 tier chest and id love a 489

[quaint otter]

i dont think ull be able to up to 489

[outer holly]

You could this season, time rift-esque gear gave a 3ilvl upgrade over myth gear of the previous tier and could be catalyzed

[proud plover]

oh shit true cause no flightstones

ah well

[dense nimbus]

Perfect , thanks just it might sound like to much min maxing but overall during execution can it be good to dump rage and do the execute rotation until we are out of rage ish and use lego between auto attacks? Thats ofc only for iftk

[meager prairie]

So even though silken lining is best? People are saying we should run a wristguards/shadowflame since it's more reliable?

[proud plover]

for prog yes cause bsl needs uptime to pump, you rarely above 90% hp in prog

[quaint otter]

no. The vendor will just say its outdated item

[proud plover]

that too

wasted my time in rise today then

[quaint otter]

U didnt if u had fun time pumping 💪

[proud plover]

i died channeling leggo

over 0.4 of a sec

[quaint otter]

and i didnt reach 3500 this season

[proud plover]

i gave up 2958, group stopped playing

just been pugging 18-20 keys for months

[rose oracle]

[proud plover]

thats from last year tho right

[rose oracle]

thats the #268491842637660160 channel

right now

[astral yarrow]

it'll be updated with TWW

[proud plover]

it still links to the correct thing tho

[astral yarrow]

Yeah Xan and I volunteered to keep it more up to date throughout TWW

[proud plover]

may you gain +1 luck on all loot

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-am-blessing-you-ss-rajamouli-director-gif-bless-gif-19535092

[astral yarrow]

I'm the only warrior in CT right now, so if it stays that way i wont need luck

[boreal quartz]

[hexed saddle]

thats so funny that was from when myself and garms wanted to completely redo FAQ

[fossil thistle]

Ashkandur is relatively strong, but the ilvl difference of the legendary will show at gear cap. Still be playable, and I mean unless you’re 99% parsing everything, mistakes will be the largest dps loss 🤷🏻‍♂️
Just my 0.02$ though

[hexed saddle]

just forgot to delete it

[rose oracle]

I just found it funny as i was looking for sims on s4

[hexed saddle]

yeah thats a good one

[visual fern]

June 15th

Norovirus incident

Followed shortly by covid rsv

[boreal quartz]

Garmophobia inc

Never not wash hands

[naive sage]

I’m sure it will be a very good guide then

[boreal quartz]

Mask 24/7

[visual fern]

Name should've been Germ frfr

[boreal quartz]

Frfr

[pseudo cipher]

is 2x shadowflame better than companion+shadowflame if we aren’t taking bsl

[minor gust]

ive been running companion + SF almost all S3 until I eventually swapped to Lariat for M+ the difference between 2x SF and compansion + SF is super minor

[warm bronze]

What time does the actual patch drop?

[naive sage]

Same, I like lariat due to having all the sockets

[proud plover]

on reset, servers go down for extended maint and when they come up again s4 starts - patch 10.2.7 is in 2 weeks (mop time running + df content + epiloge for neext xpac) https://www.wowhead.com/news/patch-10-2-7-dark-heart-releases-on-may-7th-338926

[proud plover]

companion vers negates the dam taken from shadowflame, vers is awesome and bracer has pretty much 100% uptime - buffs trinkets/leggo also

its the safe bet

[pseudo cipher]

ty :) figure lariat will be better with more gems in late season but just wanted to see how much value certain embellishments had. new to arms after seeing the sims, thanks for the help

[proud plover]

only in aoe with max sockets

[naive sage]

Personally I would not ditch Lariat completely for the reason you wrote, many gems mean strong benefit from it, although I would not choose shadowflame over bracers

[meager prairie]

What does read note mean?

[quasi torrent]

notes dont work in the export view version

[meager prairie]

Oh how do i get the version with notes then?

[quasi torrent]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit#gid=0

then u just click the cell with the notes in them

[bronze nest]

Companion is the wrists?

[coral crescent]

ya

[oak forge]

i will probably use 1x versa wrist and 1x haste legs (as always talking for m+)

Wait i thought this is fury channel lmaoo

[fossil thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

Arms, friend.

[meager prairie]

What are we thinking of running if we can't gaslight our tanks and healers to run whispering incarnate icon?

In m+

[zenith warren]

Is Archi making a wowhead guide for S4?

[rare kite]

yes

[zenith warren]

Nice

[bronze nest]

I like the fact we won't be forced to play SkS

From s1

[halcyon breach]

Even with just your own proc, it's very strong as a passive option. That alongside Pips, OCE (maybe even Neltharion's Call), combined with Iridieus and Puzzle Box as an on-use

There isn't really a shortage of good trinkets in S4, so you can't really go wrong

[bronze nest]

Also I think everyone will probably play icon or OCE at least

So I wouldn't worry too much

Probably puzzle box + OCE is good

[opaque citrus]

Isn’t OCE pretty dead for most specs

[bronze nest]

You might be right, then icon instead of oCe, same thing ( kind of ) xD

[dull siren]

OCE is pretty up there since the Icon nerf

The issue is the trinkets depend on others

But they r not better than buying the ring for example

[bronze nest]

Can I say that I don't understand why eranog and diurna rings are bis?

[dull siren]

Why not? Borrowed power is insane

We have fire damage from Helm enchant + lego + Shadowflame

[bronze nest]

But we don't have any fire dmg

Does the Lego counts as fire?

[dull siren]

Yes

[bronze nest]

Okayyyy

[dull siren]

Same if you wear Signet Brand

Augury etc etc

I'm likely doing Weapon > Ring, As they are both usefull for all contents outside of PvP.
Depending if I don't get one week 1

🤓

[bronze nest]

Okay, now it makes sense XD

[halcyon breach]

Surely the rings wont have a lot of competition

[dull siren]

SURELY

Meanwhile dh's (please i'll do anythin)

[bronze nest]

I will probably need someone to explain this system to me xD so we get currency by defeating bosses and then we spend them for gear , and we upgrade gear with crests correct?

Probably I will do the same Tmy, since the ring will go first to everyone else except us xD

[naive sage]

Same

That ring is huge

Always wanted it

[halcyon breach]

You get Bullions for killing raid bosses in the Awakened raids (think there was other ways to get it too don't recall), 1 per week (cap increased by 1 per week with catchup if you miss a week)
Any item bought with a Bullion is on the same track, upgradeable from 1/12 (1/14 for rare items like Augury and Legendary), that you'd upgrade like normal items

[bronze nest]

1 per boss I assume,

[halcyon breach]

You don't get 1 Bullion per boss

You get 1 Bullion per week

So 2 weeks per item you want to buy

[bronze nest]

Wow

So full bis gear will be before TWW xD

[halcyon breach]

A lot of people don't even get full theoretical bis gear in a normal season

But assuming you clear the raids each week, you'll eventually have all bis items

Sooner if you get lucky with drops and the vault, which also allows you to just buy other items with Bullions since you looted a higher priority item before then

[astral yarrow]

Just get lucky and use the bullions for transmog

[halcyon breach]

Or make alts

Maybe one of your 4 warriors can do that for you

[astral yarrow]

That would require me to play said alt

Think we are a 1 char guild unless boosts require us to have more

[fresh spire]

Playing alts when panda comes out in a few weeks yikesss

[naive sage]

Wasn’t it like

[raven ivy]

im bis gear day 1

[halcyon breach]

boost me in pvp

we have less than 1 day for me to hit whatever gives enchant

[raven ivy]

boost me in fyrrakk

lmao

[halcyon breach]

Best I can do is normal

[raven ivy]

PASS

trade 4 trade

[astral yarrow]

The pvp enchant is dog anyway

[halcyon breach]

ok so heroic

[raven ivy]

yeah its pretty shit lmao

[halcyon breach]

I don't even know what it looks like

[naive sage]

Isn’t the cap going like 1 - 3 - 6 - 10 etc per week?

[astral yarrow]

S1 kinda good and s2 bangs

[halcyon breach]

this?

[raven ivy]

thats not that

[halcyon breach]

idfk what this is then

[naive sage]

(Meaning 1 first week - 2 second week etc)

[raven ivy]

gimme a second dood

[astral yarrow]

This season it’s like a bad yulons breath

[halcyon breach]

great

[raven ivy]

its this

[halcyon breach]

It's 1-2-3-4-5-etc

[naive sage]

Yeah I mean the total stackable bullions

[halcyon breach]

It's 1-2-3-4-5-etc

As in the cap increases each week by 1

[raven ivy]

its ASS

[halcyon breach]

yeah that's dog

[raven ivy]

so 2nd week is 10 bullion?

[opaque citrus]

I’m more worried about other specs

[lone imp]

what lol

[raven ivy]

eah

[opaque citrus]

Bro

[raven ivy]

yeah

[opaque citrus]

Are u ok

[raven ivy]

10 bullion

[lone imp]

https://tenor.com/view/highguy-stoned-fat-guy-high-gif-22032243

[halcyon breach]

I'll give you 10 bullion cubes for some soup

[raven ivy]

gonna be bis gear once I get my 10 soups

[oak forge]

@lone imp lool nice pfp

[lone imp]

It's bis

[opaque citrus]

@lone imp lool nice pfp

[steep osprey]

@lone imp lool nice pfp

[oak forge]

So by pretending mee do you guys think you are being attractive or what

[steep osprey]

I am attractive

I don't have to be

[fickle drift]

hello guys , do you have s4 sims fo all classes ?

[dull siren]

Well, Most classes want stat sticks and Icon was the best now it isn't the best

So ppl pivot to OCE

[opaque citrus]

Fair

So by pretending mee do you guys think you are being attractive or what

[lone imp]

I went through all the bis lists for other specs and OCE ain't on many of them tbh

[steep osprey]

So by pretending mee do you guys think you are being attractive or what

[lone imp]

Nor is icon

[oak forge]

So between pip and oce. Do we still go for oce ?

[lone imp]

Honestly it's mostly on healers

And that's problematic I think

[dull siren]

If you have all buffs of OCE it overtakes pip night and day.

[lone imp]

Yeah I just don't know how realistic getting full buffs from oce is gonna be

[dull siren]

If you don't have all buffs it's not as big.
But It's a little bit behind Pip.

[oak forge]

Ok that clears everything

[lone imp]

Neither one is on any of the tanks, which is only a real problem for icon

[opaque citrus]

I’m just gonna put bis for every item that drops

[steep osprey]

I’m just gonna put bis for every item that drops

[opaque citrus]

Has always been that way

Icon/OCE were always jail from a tank pov

[lone imp]

Yeah see I think the problem is, there's so many good options that they ain't gonna do it

plus it's meme season

[steep osprey]

is icon still good with nerf

[lone imp]

so why go to jail

[halcyon breach]

It's still good

But not perma bis

[steep osprey]

poggers

[opaque citrus]

Officers also less likely to enforce jail

Because meme season

[lone imp]

Yeah exactly

[opaque citrus]

Whereas on real prog it kinda mattered

I’m definitely not equipping that shit LMAO

[lone imp]

I just think they're kinda bait to get cause I don't see full buffs happening or being enforced

[opaque citrus]

But you better believe in the guild I’m playing arms in I’m bitching at the tank to use whatever I’m using

[lone imp]

I also wonder what kill times are going to be like in meme season. Like how quickly will we be significantly sub 5min

Putting signet and anvil out of the equation

[halcyon breach]

You'd still find some bosses for Signet, and with the new change, likely have short bosses be more viable

Even if it still operates on an RPPM basis

And if you go for parses anyway, Signet still good option if it highrolls

[lone imp]

What new change? I missed something I think

[halcyon breach]

It can proc from its own procs

Although, can't say I know how big the change really is

[lone imp]

Oh that's nice

Is that something that will help its viability on the short end of fights but make it end up around the same damage on long fights I wonder

Or just be better everywhere

I saw these graphics for signet damage and anvil damage

The values are for ret, for reference

[prisma heart]

Spiteful storm + ominous chromatic essence will be the play for most bosses if you can get full OCE buffs, dropping storm for branch in shorter fights and dropping storm for brand in the 6+ minute fights

[gaunt owl]

Spiteful storm sux

[lone imp]

I just really doubt the full buffs

existing

[opaque citrus]

Sugma

[gaunt owl]

Whats sugma

[lone imp]

[opaque citrus]

Sugma balls lmao gottem get owned boomer

[gaunt owl]

[fresh spire]

[charred brook]

is there any statistics yet for this patches difference between specs damage wise

or where would i find that

assumedly from the PTR

[feral shale]

Whenn does it come out fuuuuuuuccccc wait im eu god DAAMMMIIITTT DUUUUUUUUZDEEEE

[charred brook]

Im assuming arms is gonna be the better spec at the start for a while?

[wooden knot]

I think it is arms and fury are fairly close in AoE, but arms is gonna blow fury away in prio damage.

[olive nest]

[brisk sedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1150500578103939082/1232280394246783006/image.png?ex=6628e20c&is=6627908c&hm=842c010cd495f55cd4f206925ecc737be9536f416448a9400f0e204161f26fc2&

[cedar coyote]

I may go for one of the rings after I upgrade my legendary lol.

[brisk sedge]

i dont know it is up to date tho

[charred brook]

thanks!

[halcyon breach]

Go Lego > Rings > Icon/OCE depending on your raid/group and what buffs you'll have available

[feral shale]

Assa rogues malding

[olive nest]

Where is this data from?

Doesn’t look like simc

[halcyon breach]

Signet also good prio if all you care about is raid, Sark Cloak lowest prio really

[coral crescent]

it is ulric's "preview" sheet for subscribers. ulric is the dude who does the tier gains and shit

[charred brook]

i assume ashkandur 0 priority until fury pulls ahead

[halcyon breach]

Fury wont ever pull ahead

[olive nest]

Sark cloak is bait unless pure parse horing

[charred brook]

whats the reason for that

[olive nest]

That’s a shit Tom of ho to give up

[charred brook]

i mean im happy cause i like arms better

but im curious

[coral crescent]

because arms set is busted

[halcyon breach]

Because they're just not tuned as high as Arms

Simple as

[charred brook]

Oh oka!

[olive nest]

Thanks I’ll have to go give him a sub I wasn’t aware

[charred brook]

Im happy with that i prefer arms

[halcyon breach]

In keys they'll both be good, however Arms likely to be better than Fury depending on what wall you'll hit first

[flat plinth]

are we rocking double patch again for embellishments?

[coral crescent]

no, companion / BSL sims higher. idk how close it is though.

[cedar coyote]

I don't think I was ever double patch

[halcyon breach]

But if you ever were to pick up Fury, it would be
Lego > Rings > OCE/Icon (again depending on your context) > Ashkandur if going Fury > Brand > Cloak

2x Shadowflame was the best for pure ST but it's so close to just using Lariat + Wrists that you rarely ever used 2x Shadowflame

BSL as well depends on your uptime of it, which comes down to how good are you at using defensives, what fight is it, and how good is your healer/healers

[charred brook]

am i tripping what is BSL

[coral crescent]

the sims were for like a 50% uptime yeh?

[halcyon breach]

Blue SIlken Lining

[charred brook]

OH DUH

lol

[brisk sedge]

blue silken is bait

[cedar coyote]

I'm assuming BSL until lariat is good?

[halcyon breach]

They should say what they are, and some were at 60%

[charred brook]

so BSL until like max gem sockets

then lariat

[latent moss]

how is arms 423k when its 431

[olive nest]

Mind sharing his link? Lot of ulrics to pick from

[coral crescent]

Ya one sec i'll find their discord

[gaunt owl]

Lol fake number

[olive nest]

Thanks!

[gaunt owl]

Ssh 🤫

[latent moss]

shhh he is sandbagging us

[brisk sedge]

guys guys i know yours spreedsheet is more accurete but he asked all specs

[latent moss]

[charred brook]

please keep the higher numbers to yourself so that blizz doesnt see this

[gaunt owl]

The guy took a placeholder info

[olive nest]

Oh yeah war spread sheet from the homies here is by far our best data

I want the full list for my guildies who’s class people aren’t as cool

[clever crag]

Are they nerfing the fury immortality btw ?

[gaunt owl]

Arms is only pulling ahead because every tier we got buffed

And they even giga buffed tier set

[coral crescent]

https://discord.gg/QMb4vskxVP is the person who does the spreadsheet. i think you gotta pay for their "work in progress" but they'll release it for free

[olive nest]

Don’t worry they nerf us next week

[coral crescent]

Ulria LOL

not ulric, im dumb

[olive nest]

Lmao

Thanks fam

[cedar coyote]

They nerf us and the leggo watch

[gaunt owl]

Tell him if he needs accurate number, to search first

With how long we had the number

[coral crescent]

yeah right?

[gaunt owl]

Im baffles they missed it

[olive nest]

Warrior way ahead of some of the warlock/mage specs

Surely nerfed

Get rekt

[cloud pulsar]

surely

[clever crag]

So leggo x asskandur bis ?

[cloud pulsar]

[opaque citrus]

Yeah dual wield arms bis

[olive nest]

Two fyrakk kills no birb
Team announced s4 break

I got rekt bad

[brisk sedge]

they didnt nerf ret (rat) pala s3 tho. they shoudnt nerf us too

[coral crescent]

"we plan to just let things ride out for s4 and not nerf any classes. oh wait, you said arms is performing well? can't have that."

[olive nest]

[clever crag]

We all play both specs right

[opaque citrus]

both

Fake warrior

[olive nest]

Arms/Prot is always bis

Only fury when you have too

[wispy tiger]

I thought the owl was the reward for CE

[olive nest]

[olive nest]

Two people per kill

Shit system

Glad I earned my mount but didn’t get it

[wispy tiger]

Yeah that's some bullshit RIP dude sorry you didn't get it

[strange perch]

Do we still use slam

[olive nest]

Not unless CF talented

[brisk sedge]

our rat pala died 1 min before the kill and got the mount. totally deserved

[olive nest]

It would be last resort filler without CF

Witch shouldn’t ever happen unless you just have the worst possible rng

Or play prio wrong

[olive nest]

Ours all went to deserving players imo so can’t be mad at them

[charred brook]

whats your TOM prio rotation

i cant find one

anything that spends rage right

obv MS and exe above all

[olive nest]

Pretty much yeah but higher rage spenders prio

[charred brook]

but where does whirlwind, TC, OP, and slam come in those prios

[olive nest]

Except always MS if you can

[clever crag]

I tank timewalking stuff kek

[charred brook]

i think ive got it down but i wanna be sure

[olive nest]

During CS:
MS>WW>EXE>OP>TC

[glossy hill]

whats our opener looking like for m+ for a big pull

[olive nest]

Added exe forgot it lol

[charred brook]

wheres slam

[olive nest]

Deleted

What’s slam?

[charred brook]

interesting

glad its gone

[wooden knot]

we are going to wish we had pins

on the rotation

prio

[charred brook]

seems like its back to basic rotation

[wintry ember]

anyone have the arms talent tree for s4?

[olive nest]

Arch doesn’t allow those pins for whatever reason

Look up tmmy

Sick war gamer

Great info

[charred brook]

wait why does ww take prio over exe

[olive nest]

WW spends more rage

[charred brook]

i see

[olive nest]

You want to fit two WW inside cs window if possible

[charred brook]

oh! and ignore pain no longer counts towards spent rage correct

[olive nest]

The only time this changes is during a bosses execute range

[charred brook]

because thats what i was used to in s1

[olive nest]

Where you would switch to the execute prio

[hybrid bolt]

correct, IP does not count towards TOM anymore

[lean geode]

By rings do you mean eranog/diurna rings? Or just any rings

[halcyon breach]

Correct

They're basically bis for anyone unless some spec for some reason, has INSANE value on Crit/Vers so they'd not use the Broodkeeper ring

[lean geode]

Proccing eranog ring just from shadowflame patches?

[halcyon breach]

Lego and Helm enchant also procs them

[lean geode]

Yuge

Ty for letting me instead of reading the wowhead guide like a good boy

[frozen bramble]

Are wowhead talent trees for m+ accurate? They say Season 3 and Season 2. Does Arms Season 1 set meaningfully change the talent choices?

[tender pecan]

You will use cleave afaik

[lean geode]

Look at the season 4 guide section, it's mostly the same builds though. The s1 set (once you have your s4 set) buffs cleave so you'll likely be using that, but I personally will be a FoB enjoyer

[frigid lava]

server up yet? lol

hope it comes up early

[lean geode]

3 more hours surely

[lone imp]

Where this at? The sheet I see is for s3

[strange perch]

We got a bis list for trinks yet?

[snow flame]

yeah on wowhead

[lean geode]

I think they yoinked it from a paid discord or something

But also as much as I love Ulria for putting that together, it's always highly inaccurate

Well, it's accurate to the best of our collective knowledge at this point in time, but how accurate that is relative to the real world is my point

[lone imp]

Must be. I re-joined his disc, saw old link, dipped lol

[slow saddle]

well so week 2 leggo week 4 prob ring if i didnt get it on hc

[strange perch]

[faint granite]

Hii whats warrior stat contribution for S4?

[slow saddle]

starting all the highest ilvl

after that the same

nothing has changed

[faint granite]

Crit haste?

[slow saddle]

just sim

[faint granite]

whats like the cap? about 40% haste? or less

[slow saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

is my best advice

[strange perch]

If you want quick and dirty you can look at blood mallet for stat distributions. But as they said. Just sim yourself.

[faint granite]

yeah but my statweight is different from every other warrior its weird

[strange perch]

….

[slow saddle]

statweighs are irrelevant

like

dont look at em

[strange perch]

It’s because your exact gear combination is probably slightly unique.

[slow saddle]

get a new piece, sim if its better if yes equip, if not dont

[faint granite]

i just want to craft a ring

[slow saddle]

sim it ?

[strange perch]

Then sim the ring combos.

[faint granite]

ok

[slow saddle]

because if u are VERY heavy on haste - crit

u might wanna do something else according to sim

but if u low geared yes haste - crit will 90% of the time be the best

[slow saddle]

TF is that amount of mastery

[strange perch]

lol