arms

[teal fossil]

Or you lose hurricane

It’s still gonna be heroic throw

[lucid nest]

Uhm SoA with dreadnaught on row 7 what do you think?

[teal fossil]

It’s just st vs aoe

Since dn lost 2 charges

[dire hinge]

visually no it hasn't been confirmed, other than it'll be different than Fyr'alath's look

[teal fossil]

So more power is in the aoe portion

[bleak solstice]

whats soa im a rookie

[viral hill]

Might be more dps regardless during pushback, etc. mechanics to not make use of the strength buff but get something ok the target besides heroic theow

[dire hinge]

Strength of Arms, a talent that makes Overpower stronger and provides rage at low target hp

[teal fossil]

Not really because that’s a 30% window

[bleak solstice]

ty

[teal fossil]

It’s almost never worth to do that unless you lose a cast

Which you shouldn’t because the cd is high enough

[viral hill]

So this is removing the damage buff completely, correct?

[teal fossil]

Yeah

[viral hill]

Lame

[teal fossil]

Seems like it’s untakable now

[viral hill]

I liked sprinkling in ww to st rotations but we’ll see how it shapes up with the hero talents

[sage badge]

Collateral damage works with Cleave, FoB cleave is alive

[dire hinge]

haha, i love you deswind

[teal fossil]

Cleave not stacking collat itself is bad though

[sage badge]

Eh well, you just fob and op

[bleak solstice]

alr so i switched up my build to do decent bleed dmg, but it didnt make sense cus my transmog is a hammer

so now i have to go solo raiding old dungeons for transmog axes

[dire hinge]

the bleeding is on the inside (bludgeoning damage) 👍

[odd mist]

With the release of TWW alpha and all this new information we have today means less chance of getting new balance patch for season 4 or nah?

[bleak solstice]

the internal decimator

[dire hinge]

time will tell, they have a history of doing balancing even the day before seasons launch

right now arms is quite powerful though in sims

[thick kelp]

quite powerful seems like an understatement after seeing the other specs xd

[dire hinge]

some are still stronger, but yeah we're up there

[unborn canyon]

They might do more damage, but we have the blessing of the zug

[vague nova]

my sims show that sandglass and pips beats out might of the ocean and one of the two, while i dont really care much about this particular set of gear does arms use 2 passive trinkets that well or is it sim bait because i just did 5 target and a patchwork sim

[dire hinge]

might is very strong in dungeons where the 1.5min burst is more of the focus in large trash packs

[brisk lion]

Hi. Im quite new to arms warrior and i might do the rotation the wrong way but in heroic raid i do around 80%-90%ish perf on logs in "ilvl" (im 481), but most hunter in my guild with less gear (478ish) do more damage but do around 30-40% perf. Is it me or arms warrior just do less dps overall in raid ?

[abstract vale]

ilvl parse is bait

[wintry scroll]

It is lower than bm but there is no way it’s that low

[gaunt owl]

do you has lego ?

if no get rekt 😄

[dire hinge]

i wouldn't compare performance between specs and just focus on improving yourself within warrior. If you have logs, you can post them in #449510248579858432 and someone can help!

[brisk lion]

no leggo. 483 weap

[vague nova]

half of the top mid ilvl parses (460-480) are just normal players who got in a good group who killed fast

[brisk lion]

Will do ! Thanks !

[vague nova]

they didnt do anything special the group just killed fast = higher dps/parse

[tight plank]

What are ya'll averaging in keys this week?

[viral hill]

Demolish animation around 9:30 marks

https://youtu.be/L3QrqPhx4L4?si=myH5RfBXYZmhGKL7

[dire hinge]

ooo nice

Brewmaster/MW coming for our dreadnaught

[gaunt owl]

why do all the other spec steal our best stuff

[unborn canyon]

Why don't we start stealing?

Give us hero and brez please

Just scream at a person to revive them

[thick kelp]

thats mw/brew tree tho no ?

[old urchin]

Warriors should get a lust. Give us a shout. It’s class fantasy accurate.

[unborn canyon]

Bloodlust sounds like a warrior ability, not a shaman one tbh

Heroism sounds like a paladin ability too, honestly both should be renamed on shaman to something more fitting

Guidance of the Elements? Idk

[flat plinth]

give us windfury

just really kill shamans

[dire hinge]

ah, correct yes, i'll update it

[viral hill]

It makes too much sense for blizz not to give us a lust shout.

Call it “double time” or something, a warrior battlefield commandeer should 100% be able to increase the haste of party members

[gaunt owl]

Let the other be the utility

We do dmg

that is the way of the warrior

any shout we do should burst the eardrums of our enemy

[ebon hollow]

do i use legendary in execute range still on cd or only if im rage empty?

[dire hinge]

Easiest way to use it would be when Colossus Smash falls off of your target, just so you can save the GCDs it takes to cast on building ToM.

in execute, it'll more likely present itself as: "use it before you colossus smash", since your Anger Management during execute heavily reduces your cooldowns

[lean wigeon]

hey guys what do you think is the best wa pack for warriors? Im looking on wago and it's all look the same and I cant figure out what's gonna help me the most in the future :/

[languid beacon]

dealers choice boss

[dire hinge]

there's no real wrong answer, they all communicate the same things in different ways

try out a few of them and see which one your brain likes most

[teal fossil]

hekili

[boreal quartz]

cooking your own is the best

[modern cove]

I use luxthos cause he updates the auras whenever is needed. The others dont.

[misty iron]

I really like Luxthos personally, the only thing I don't like about it is that you can't see the cooldown of a spell if that spell's effect is currently active

like if you have Reck going, you can't see that the cooldown is finished

but try around different ones

[lucid nest]

For arms crit haste or mastery versatility?

[dire hinge]

this is called an inverse alert system and it bothers me deeply too out of sight out of mind, you have to then identify what is missing, vs it informing you of what's not there

[misty iron]

You have to sim for the right answer, but it's a little bit of all, more prioritizing crit/haste. But sim yourself, because what I just said is bullshit

[dire hinge]

it depends* (worst answer, im sorry). Initially you'll be crit/haste until you get geared, at which point we serve into mastery/vers more. Just sim as you go and it will steer you in the right direction

[misty iron]

IDK how to change it, but i've just resorted to keeping in mind the cooldowns like OF and reck and glancing at my bars in case i need to be sure it's pressed on CD

[dire hinge]

it'd require a logic change to the auras themselves. Basically defaulting them to be desaturated or hidden if they're active, then show them if missing. It's not easily done for big packs like that, and can get undone when updates are pushed out

it's sort of like being in a room full of alarms clocks going off, and you have to identify which one isn't currently going off and turn it on. Some folks prefer this method and it's perfectly okay.

[modern cove]

Its really a problem to know the cd of reckless only after reckless expires? Sorry if thats a stupid question...

[dire hinge]

not stupid at all, Arms only gets Recklessness indirectly through a talent that procs it, so we don't need to directly track it, but some folks like to know it's active on them

[exotic kestrel]

Im baffled that it looks like they are keeping ToM

[dire hinge]

I’d speculate it’ll lose some value now that we are spending less rage, but maybe they’ll boost the mainstat it gives per rage spent

All up in the air atm still

Our hero trees will give us some wild %-amps though so

[exotic kestrel]

Idk im just baffled by this first set of changes

[dire hinge]

There’s more discussion over in #1230008337517514772 as well

[exotic kestrel]

Ohh didtnt notice, thanks

[dire hinge]

Of course!

You don’t have to talk over there, just interesting following along

[slow saddle]

hmm isnt it kindda weird that str of arms and dreadnaught as choice node ?

as dreadnaught does a lot of st as well ?

[misty iron]

Yeah, but I was talking specifically fury, where the reck is "clickable"

[slow saddle]

hmm nwn we get recklessness

im happi

fack i meant ravager

😄

[modern cove]

I have interest in skullspitter. The full power of the spell was reduced to one talent point. So basically its much stronger now

[modest moss]

Monk stealing from warrior since fucking MoP. Never forget them stealing our root hamstring.

[brisk lion]

Hi. Can i post logs so someone help me to perform better in raids ? I have trouble finding a solution to improve my dps

[dire hinge]

absolutely! We have a channel called #449510248579858432 for that if you want to post it there 🙂

[lean geode]

Hrothmar tell me how to feel about the new talents I can't think for myself

[heavy heron]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2122514480 Finally got it 🥳 my 2nd CE after Razsageth !

[pliant jetty]

congratz

[red marlin]

Luxthos

[quaint otter]

who told arms not heal

[opal folio]

one hell of a CE for a second one, gratz!

[dire hinge]

honestly it's weird overall and there's some neat things that are coming out of it (potentially very large burst windows) but also we don't really have a clear identity we're going for. I'm going to withhold judgement on it until we spend more time seeing how all the parts fit together, personally.

neat that we got any changes tbh, just gonna focus on Season 4 and play around in my free time with beta once I'm in

[opal folio]

I'm happy they're addressing infinite rage

that shit needed to go

charge-weaving and decision-making are unwritten hallmarks of the spec

[dire hinge]

haha yeah, the "slow tactical gameplay" of having infinite rage and pressing MS on cd

[opal folio]

no meme, shadowlands legit nailed the thing I described

[lean geode]

I didn't play arms until 10.0.5 so I don't really know how it played before then, but my interpretation of these changes is just "it's the same gameplay but slower"

Less rage, less chance to proc tactician from that rage, and nothing else in return really

If SoS were like a 0 cost filler guaranteed instead of a proc then maybe that could be like a fallback "I fucked up my rage and OP charge management" button, but it's not

[opal folio]

it used to be that if you were careless with slam usage, you got punished by being unable to cast mortal strike for a while

so to workaround that, you walk away from the boss, charge back for rage during the ms cooldown and before your next auto attack landed, so no swings are missed

[opal folio]

skullsplitter was exactly that iirc

[lean geode]

I mean SkS in its current form with ToB baked in kind of defeats that purpose, no? Like you want to press it more or less on cd for the damage regardless of your rage status?

[opal folio]

yeah, the consume bleeds part and all the other effects were DF additions

before that it was just a rage gen global

it shared a row/node with sudden death, so if you knew how to charge weave, you could skip sks entirely

[dire hinge]

yeah this was the old version

[lean geode]

Interesting

[latent moss]

and u refrain from spamming slam

[lean geode]

My gut feeling from the changes so far isn't that rage gen will be lowered to the point of needing to charge weave, although with substantially fewer OP procs it might

[latent moss]

but rage management is hard

apparently

[latent moss]

definitely not imo

in cds absolutely not

outside of cds

maybe

[halcyon nacelle]

critcake is parasyte confirmed

[latent moss]

with ignore pain usage

ignore pain needs to be free

and on a longer cd

and bigger

like shield of vengeance for ret

[lean geode]

It sounds like the interesting gameplay wasn't exclusively chargeweaving though but also the opportunity cost of SkS vs SD, which it also doesn't seem like is being added (not literally, but a similar opportunity cost of skill ceiling at the cost of skill floor)

[tired pilot]

Kk how’s collosal

[dire hinge]

you can read more about archi's thoughts on it here:
#1230099943679590413 message

[tired pilot]

pog pog pog happy for yall

[tardy shoal]

is anyone online who's on EU that's a leatherworker??

[covert badge]

Is there any vod for colossus?

[halcyon breach]

If it's for the lego, you can give up one of your professions (if you aren't leveled in one of them) and craft the items yourself. You don't need any skill in the professions, so you can just learn a profession, use the recipe to learn it, craft it, then unlearn the profession

[tardy shoal]

oh didn't know that thanks 😄

[sage badge]

Congrats on lego

[hexed saddle]

checkout danwarrs youtube, he uploaded gameplay of it

[covert badge]

Merci

[ebon fern]

Is blood and thunder still usable for arms? I liked the rend spread a lot

i don't like strength of arms being a choice node with dreadnaught

Not one bit

i think that's a mistake

This will further divide aoe and st builds, it will just feel bad, and i find it hard to believe that strength will beat out dread in ANY situations

Just no

[outer holly]

#1230008337517514772 message

[fading isle]

I Looooooooove pressing OP

[vague nova]

anyone ever use the lego and it goes on cd but doesnt do the frontal lol

[civic isle]

Haven’t seen that but have def ripped it on a target that died in the same gcd while much of the pack was healthy

[vague nova]

it was on the boss and i charged>axe and it just went on cd lol

no axe damage hit for over 11k that fight so i dont think i got even one tick of damage

[civic isle]

Shiiiiiii

[dire hinge]

so i just replicated this

[final dove]

sometimes if youre spamming some abilities as you charge in youll somehow glitch out and it will go on cd

[dire hinge]

It happens if you cast the axe before your charge hits the target (ie: while you're in transit)

[final dove]

its happened to me a few times

or if this like a snap in movement can sometimes just glitch out

[vague nova]

gotcha

good to know because i did it again on accident the next key too lol

[sudden topaz]

has there been any info on what trinkets arms is going for in s4?

[vague nova]

I know a lot of people dont log weekly keys but I got the number 3 arms warrior parse in a pug 20 brh while losing my axe active when we pulled the whole hall after second boss. I will be living off this high forever.

[dire hinge]

Cataclysmic Signet Brand can now proc from procs.

[austere heart]

most likely puzzle box + whispering incarnate icon

[dire hinge]

https://tinyurl.com/DFS4WarriorSims

There's trinket sections on the middle left-hand side for both Single Target and AoE
it's leaning towards Signet Brand and ChromaticEssence/WhisperingIcon, but those assume the rest of the team is also able to provide the missing buffs.

[magic canopy]

yeah if you hit change into axe it just eats it for no reason

[dire hinge]

works just like grieftorch 🙃

can't cast it mid charge or it just clips it short and stops the channel

[coral crescent]

can we pin the sheet? pretty helpful resource going into s4 and its clear the community put a lot of work into it

[dire hinge]

WoWhead guides will be updated soon to reflect the sheet's insights and they're far more digestible

[coral crescent]

sounds good ! maybe when the time comes we can have both, since theyre both good resources for different types of users

thanks yall

[dire hinge]

of course!

[fleet ermine]

Are we going to be able to upgrade our current legendary next patch?

[minor gust]

yes

[final dove]

with 2 dinar tokens right?

[old urchin]

According to PTR yes.

[smoky kayak]

correct

[final dove]

Cool pre simple and only way to get dinar atm is via weekly or dailys?

[oak jackal]

Would be Great to get S4 information. How will leggo dropp be adjusted to rotation, how will the dinars be acquired etc. ..

[fresh spire]

Did we get any confirmation on total dinars?

Like we got 3 in fated

I remember 6 being throw around a while ago

[heavy heron]

If leggo costs 2, 6 would make sense.

[oak jackal]

With that amount of usefull items like rings, cloak, trinkets and cosmetics like slimecat I hope we r not gettin any cap

[astral yarrow]

if theres a cap, you are just gonna use it on the rare items along with axe i guess

[quasi torrent]

nothing confirmed

but there's cosmetics bound to them

so expect more

[fresh spire]

[wind vault]

Did they announce solo que rated BGs in war within?

[empty sluice]

Yes

[misty yew]

whats the going rate for crafting the 3 lego mats

[wind vault]

Ok so that will be best expac ever

[boreal quartz]

Ask a guildmate and get it for 0

[misty yew]

how do i channel recipes to profs

some guy saying he needs me to teach him the recipe to craft these things

[astral yarrow]

you can teach your own alts the recipes

they require 1 skill

or is it like 25

[misty yew]

can i not teach to someone else

using an item

that's what he's saying

i have the mats and placed an order

[short rose]

This. I didnt have prof on my warrior so just learned/unlearned profs to make it myself

[polar stream]

Does anyone have the link handy for sims on season 4?

[quasi torrent]

yes u can

[abstract verge]

Yo guys have someone understood if we will be able to run s4 m+ directly on the 23/24th of april or if we will have to wait a week?

Should be ready set go right?

[tender pecan]

Should be

[past pebble]

@minor parcel worst warr NA

[boreal quartz]

[misty yew]

holy shit do i really have to sit in front of the ah waiting 5 min for vellum Cds and buy awakened fire frost airs?

for lego

[boreal quartz]

Yes

Well u can skip the CD im proving grounds

But it's just awful as a ql

[misty yew]

I only just got over Shadowbloom trauma

[misty yew]

vellum extra action buttion disappears as well

this is horseshit

bugs everywhere

[dire ivy]

U can buy one type and reset it in proving grounds to speed up

[glossy hill]

you'll be able to do M+ on the 23rd as long as servers are up

[misty yew]

Do you use lego with avatar?

And accept a 2 min dps window

[boreal quartz]

ava doesnt buff it

use it outside of cds

[nova marsh]

Literally no items interact with spec kits to get a damage increase since legion

[boreal quartz]

(ignoring monk xdd)

[astral yarrow]

Stat increases interact, like haste from iftk or crit from pala wings

[timber lynx]

TECHNICALLY sub rogues had a talent that interacted with beacon last tier

but it was changed fast af

[astral yarrow]

You talking the increased crit from symbols?

[timber lynx]

nah there was a talent that increased magic damage

by like 3% or something

I can’t remember the name of it but i know it existed

[astral yarrow]

Played rogue entire farm that tier and never noticed 🤷‍♀️

[timber lynx]

I just remember it being talked about in rh at the time bc same

[lone imp]

litewally

[timber lynx]

yeah it was this before they realized it interacted with beacon

[hazy flower]

I mean

wings from ret

is more than enough

of an argument

probably there are more too

[uncut shard]

@astral yarrow hosen check

[astral yarrow]

0 hosen

[turbid atlas]

whats gonna happen to blademasters torment if i pick ravager next xpac?

[dire hinge]

will likely drop a short ravager instead

but i dont have access to test it to confirm

someone may know over in #1230008337517514772 though 👍

[neon ocean]

I'm glad to hear that demolish pipes

Oh there's alpha channels now, whoops

[hazy flower]

they did mention in the blue post that you will want to press it on cd

[dull siren]

@hazy flower u pugging

still?

this is honestly such a watch

[rare kite]

jesus christ. 912 pulls

[dull siren]

they r in p3

rn

https://www.twitch.tv/yutorcan

surely this is it

900 pulls moving with blazes

monkaS

[rare kite]

ew, augmentation PoV

holy moly, 4 evokers

[dull siren]

saj

[surreal breach]

What will arms talents look like next season? trying to practice on ptr rn

[hazy flower]

I did 2 keys today

2 war keys*

dht 30 and wm 30

[thick kelp]

BcEAfuKaizEAgP2qANDB2hmf7DQplIRkQOQiWpkkAAAAABRIKkAFRAJikEaSECQ4AhAAAAAAAAQiWiIgQ0QA this for keys

[hazy flower]

rest I was either afk or chilling on alts

[thick kelp]

idk if import works

[dire hinge]

In single target, we'll drop our point in Bloodborne and pick up Exhilirating Blows
In AoE, we'll run the "single bladestorm" build, but drop 1 bloodborne point and pick up Cleave

[surreal breach]

single baldestorm build being the "bladestorm" build on wowhead m+ talent section?

[dire hinge]

correct, with one minor change. You alter your lower-left talent on the Warrior tree, swapping "Blademaster's Torment" for "Warlord's Torment" instead

[surreal breach]

ty

[dire hinge]

you can also get rid of Siesmic Reverberation and move it elsewhere if you'd like as well, it's very weak in its current state

[surreal breach]

where would u move it

[dire hinge]

Pain and Gain for more passive healing, Bounding Stride for better movement, or just toss it in Overwhelming Rage for a larger resource pool

i think we also drop both points out of Crushing Force, and put them in the same talents mentioned above ^

just beacuse we dont really slam as much in Season 4, and we can spend with Tclap instead (since we now manage Rend more)

[maiden moat]

hey guys is there allready a BIS list for s4 ?

[surreal breach]

stat prio for arms changing next season? also is raidbots accurate for simming next season stuff or nah?

[dire hinge]

one is being finalized now, but wowhead guides will be updated soon

[dire hinge]

we'll focus on crit slightly less just since our tier set makes MS/Cleave get 15% more crit chance, but i wouldn't worry about pre-simming for stats since you'll always want to sim gear as you acquire it and you'll naturally fall into where your stats should be over time

[smoky kayak]

yeah a more haste and less crit is basically it

the bis list is pretty much all tier/cantrip/embellishments though, you only have 2 leftover slots for "normal" items

what you'll use until you get all those items is a sim question based on whatever gear you have at the time

[outer holly]

Did something change with m+ or did I misinterpret some info, cuz I thought when the first item track for S4 was released we were getting myth gear from 10+ keys

[dire hinge]

myth track is only available from the great vault itself, and it starts at +8

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/mythic-plus-dungeons/dragonflight-season-4/overview#item-level-loot-table

portals come from +10, and that's when the final affix gets added

[outer holly]

hmm maybe I misunderstood the great vault for end of dungeon looking at that chart

[dire hinge]

no worries there! It'll work similar to the current season, where end-of-dungeon limits you to only being able to gear to a heroic track

[outer holly]

Dang, my heroic ass is gonna be a slave to the vault for another season, thanks for the clarity hroth

[dire hinge]

Always friend!

[surreal breach]

Ok so raidbots is accurate if i throw ptr gear sets into it?

[astral yarrow]

you might have to do "ptr=1" in expert mode for some things, but mostly yes

[dire hinge]

would they also need to add the Sesaon 4 APL in there, or does that flag handle that for them?

[astral yarrow]

I dont know if the APL has been pushed to current branch. If not, then no. It just pulls standard as there are no "ptr APL"

look at me capitalizing 1 abbreviation and not the other

my eyes are bleeding

[dire hinge]

its the thought that counts, honestly

[astral yarrow]

the APL can just be yoinked straight from the spreadsheet sims though, so its not hard to do

[astral yarrow]

depends on how many people got hurt

[dire hinge]

The spreadsheet being referenced can be found here: https://tinyurl.com/DFS4WarriorSims

[sage badge]

Make the number go up

[astral yarrow]

from here i only make number go down 😦

[dire hinge]

commence operation spiteful serenity sandbag

[astral yarrow]

Its funny how Ppaww actually found SimC bug with SR because nobody tried making it sim well

as its practically trash and not just theoretically

[pale ginkgo]

Damn, Arms looks really strong for Season 4? If I'm reading that right?

[dire hinge]

arms is quite powerful at the moment yeah

[sage badge]

Supposedly ret is even more powerful, but all I've seen is that it jokingly sims around 500k

[astral yarrow]

[dire hinge]

one might even say that Arms Owns

[dire hinge]

listen

(i promise that was for inclusion purposes and not sandbagging)

[astral yarrow]

whoops, icon was ilvl 1000 teehee

[dire hinge]

haha good lord 500k

[astral yarrow]

ever the eloquent man

[pale ginkgo]

But can we kill Mythic N'zoth Solo during first stun in Ny'alotha at 535 ilvl? 🤔

[sage badge]

[dire hinge]

wdym kill N'zoth that guy is definitely still alive

he's in each of our hearts (slowly corrupting us) 🥰

[pale ginkgo]

I run that raid weekly just to hear him whisper things at me. 🙂

[dire hinge]

hell yeah that's the spirit

[astral yarrow]

you dont decide your father, but you do decide your daddy 🥰

[dire hinge]

my death aura is Neltharion saying "poor little warrior"

[pale ginkgo]

I actually macro'd Fyr'alath's On-use to have the audio https://www.wowhead.com/sound=234655/vo-102-fyrakk-248337 play, was fun for a while.

[outer holly]

Teron Gorefiend has a special place in my heart when it comes to audio queues https://www.wowhead.com/sound=11520/a-blcktmple-terongor-enrage01

[olive nest]

Anybody with alpha access have an opinion on how the rage change feels?

[timid stump]

Spoiler alert , it will feel like playing a lvl 5 warrior in classic ,1 attack every 2 or 3 mins.

[dense nimbus]

argh now i have to move all gear to haste and crit instead of freakin vers and mastery

[olive nest]

Less spam is good as long as we don’t have empty globals

And windfury stonks

[dense nimbus]

damn it why fury and arms are so different in stats

[olive nest]

Hmmm

[astral yarrow]

demolish channel is pretty fast though

so it might not suck giga mega ass

[fresh spire]

ok so we drop every single execute node and just stack op as its free

fuck

[olive nest]

Are they really forcing this demolish ability on us by not having enough rage to press other buttons

Channel every 20 seconds

Going to own so hard

[astral yarrow]

i mean it'll prolly feel ok if swing timer doesnt reset as it does with leggo

[fresh spire]

tbf

they did openly say they nerfed rage gen super harshly

likely over nerfed to amend to make it feel clean after

instead of picking at it little by little

resetting swing timer kinda ape

[olive nest]

Ohhh boy….

[fresh spire]

time to download wa to tell me when to push demolish after a swing :ohno

[olive nest]

Surely they don’t leave us rage starved an entire season

[fresh spire]

question is

do they want us to be gcd locked like this patch, or waiting for melee swings

ngl having buttons to always press is a good thing, less boring

[olive nest]

I’m not necessarily against waiting I guess as long as I hit like a truck when I swing

I do have to agree though

I like always having a button how it is currently

[fresh spire]

slam was buffed 200%

but if we have no rage to slam why buff slam

[strange perch]

^^^

[olive nest]

Truuu

[fresh spire]

"You can press slam now..... unless....

[dense nimbus]

😄

[timid mirage]

Are we doomer over these TWW changes 🧐

[strange perch]

Not till I try it.

[prisma heart]

it will feel bad with tww s1 amount of secondaries but will prob be fine after getting more haste

[strange perch]

If I always or almost always have a button to press I’m big chilling. If I have to sit and sit and wait between autos I’m going to doom.

[prisma heart]

prepatch prob goin 2 feel like going from well oiled machine 2 walking thru molasses tho

[strange perch]

TWW Arms atm looks like my ass after a night of Taco Bell

A goddamn shitstorm

[prisma heart]

is that a new bladestorm choice node

[strange perch]

Yeah, play Slayer Fury

[timid mirage]

Question for anyone who has alpha access. Does unhinged work with the proc’d slayer Bladestorms/faster bladestorms?

[strange perch]

Hurricane does

I'd imagine Unhinged as well

[timid mirage]

That seems like it would be really good

[strange perch]

Yeah, but you'd rather be Fury for Slayer

Atm Arms needs a full revert back to DF

[timid mirage]

I mean looking at TWW changes fury seems like a better choice

[strange perch]

Yeah

[slow saddle]

Its not that bad on arms

Class side thoufh

Is horrible pathing

[timid mirage]

But if unhinged would work that could be reaaaally good

[slow saddle]

True horror

[strange perch]

Arms is just shit though

[slow saddle]

Col slaps

The rage regen loss is real though

[strange perch]

Colossus makes you sit down for 2 secs though

[dire hinge]

fwiw there's also a whole channel for TWW discussion here: #1230008337517514772 , where folks may have answered this already.
(you can keep talking here, it doesn't matter, but some folks haven't been aware the channel exists)

[slow saddle]

Not to bad, we seem t8 get sks back!

[timid mirage]

Oh thank you. I didn’t know

[strange perch]

If I wanted to be in a wheelchair class I'd play Paladin

[slow saddle]

Which is nice and prob skip tom for iftk

[strange perch]

You have sks now

[dire hinge]

totally! no worries

[slow saddle]

Worth taking with good synergy

Atm its 2 talent points and not same value

[strange perch]

I would unironically want to take SMF over Arms atm

[slow saddle]

Ah if they fixx pathin a bit im hyped

[strange perch]

Pathing isn't the Arms issue

[slow saddle]

Its also an issue

Not the only one

[strange perch]

They listened to "muh Rage overcap" and gutted the spec

[slow saddle]

I mean not rly? Spells req less rage

We still have free ops

Wft gets more value again

[strange perch]

Tactician and AM generate less rage because you spend less rage

It's pretty bad

[slow saddle]

Also they got nerfed a bit

[strange perch]

Yeah

[slow saddle]

I mean, its just a bit of a different style

[rare kite]

does mean you're really gonna feel not having it

[strange perch]

There will be points where you sit there for 3 seconds just doing autos

[astral yarrow]

biggest deal really is CS not giving Reck

[slow saddle]

Worrying part i guess is execute

Execute needs to do more dmg

If we have less rage to spend

[quasi torrent]

warlords torment just dead
long live blademasters with rav

[astral yarrow]

:woo:

[dire hinge]

[slow saddle]

Warlords torment deffo needs a buff

[quasi torrent]

[vast surge]

it's gonna feel like ass to play with

and there's just something so satisfying about pressing CS and seeing recklessness pop over your head

[quasi torrent]

im not sure how they can type out the synergy between warlords, tom and AM is too good

and then just shoot warlords

that's fucking insane to me

[astral yarrow]

Pooling for CS is back baybeee

[quasi torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[dire hinge]

i would have liked to have seen CS with Reck proc @ 25% rage gen

still not good, but entirely removing it is pretty rough

[astral yarrow]

im just not nitro enough 💸

[quasi torrent]

pov slaywr
Cs -> Wait for tom -> BS -> spear -> blast for 5s

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[dire hinge]

pray it doesn't die before tom procs

[slow saddle]

Dont think we play tom?

[astral yarrow]

Thats kinda like BFA arms in keys lol

[quasi torrent]

yea

Even worse tho

[slow saddle]

Iftk

[quasi torrent]

in bfa u sent bote BS as cs ended atleast

Iftk spiteful hack

blademasters with rav

chain ravs

[slow saddle]

I mean

If rav was st

[quasi torrent]

rav gives u a lotta rage

[slow saddle]

Rav - unhinged st

[astral yarrow]

raverior

[quasi torrent]

nah hurricane

too good

rav unhinged is ONE ms

[slow saddle]

I know but want unhinged

[quasi torrent]

O N E

[slow saddle]

T8 be a thing

Buff

Atm its dog

Also rav good in exd phase

Exe

[quasi torrent]

rav is just really good for arms

with how it functions

[dire hinge]

it felt really great during Condemn days in Shadowlands (condemn aside, it felt like a good button and allowed for a period of amazing resource throughput)

[slow saddle]

Ye

[quasi torrent]

i honest to god don't remember rav during SL

[slow saddle]

Remove fatality

[quasi torrent]

i blanked that xpac

fatality is ass ye

[dire hinge]

it was in our Signet of Tormented Kings days for single target

Activating Ravager, Bladestorm, Recklessness, or Avatar randomly casts one of the other two abilities at reduced effectiveness.

[quasi torrent]

Oh i never played signet arms st

[slow saddle]

It was ass

But fun

[quasi torrent]

I think? i played arms in start of SOD

and a bit in CN farm

[dire hinge]

yeah this was 9.0.5 ish, early CN

[quasi torrent]

Yeah nah i was playing hunter there

cause our other warrs alt was ele

[dire hinge]

i only remember because i tried to write a guide on how to play it forever ago and it's just seared into my skull now

[quasi torrent]

and rather have me on hunt and him on watr

than playing 2 eles lmao

(we had an ELE GAMER)

(anarks)

[dire hinge]

ele is fun, i just wish it brought a raid buff

[quasi torrent]

uhh ankh

real

[dire hinge]

haha true, one brez saved every 10 pulls

[quasi torrent]

just remove raid buffs

[vast surge]

Yeah but then people would just class stack the top performing specs

[quasi torrent]

so what

Let them do it

forced diversity is ass

Classes can still bring utility (dk grips, rally)

we don't need mandatory raid buffs

[vast surge]

🤷‍♂️

[quasi torrent]

or god forbid, group buffs

(wft piss)

[vast surge]

I don’t feel strongly about it one way or another

[quasi torrent]

i do cause more than half the specs being hardlocked in a comp

is really boring

[astral yarrow]

14-16 specs hard locked in an optimal raid comp if you count 2 evokers

[vast surge]

Hmmm, hypothetically speaking the top 100 guilds all stacking 10 mages or something cause someone figured out that numerically that’s the most optimal way to maximise dps doesn’t sound that exciting either.

[quasi torrent]

Don't think u count 2 augs anymore aagaard

[quasi torrent]

atleast that'll change across patches

currently it dont

and u might bring some other stuff cause dmg patterns n shit

[vast surge]

I get what you’re saying and I empathise

Though realistically I doubt much will change cause it affects such a small percentage of the player population.

[quasi torrent]

well raid buffs affect the lower end more than the high end

the high end will always be able to field the comps with alts n shit

[vast surge]

But then the wider player pop probably won’t notice those buffs being gone either.

[quasi torrent]

a rank 800 guild?

maybe not

bring the player not the class

[vast surge]

They tried that in BFA

Then they walked it back in SL and DF

I’m not sure why

[quaint otter]

[gloomy summit]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-what-did-i-just-read-read-bert-and-ernie-gif-16828405

[silk spade]

Ingame?

[sullen oyster]

Hey I'm swapping from lock to warrior for a while. What tier set are we getting for arms for s4?

[opal folio]

[opal folio]

Season 1

[sullen oyster]

Thanks Az

[opal folio]

[cedar coyote]

the axe is done, i can finally rest lolk

[halcyon breach]

Grats

[sullen oyster]

Ugh I have only killed fyrakk twice

I'm doomed

[strange perch]

I mean at this point DF is just prep for TWW mode

Get your shit in order then farm some meaningless shit while you wait for release

[sullen oyster]

True.

[random ibex]

last minute kill is still a kill

[lone imp]

grats king

[rare kite]

gzz

[strange perch]

is arms better than fury now?

[dire hinge]

for season 4 it'll be much stronger yeah

grats on Fyrakk!

[final dove]

still counts grats bro

[strange perch]

Are they getting buffed? Or just because of the scaling stats / lego?

[dire hinge]

both specs can use the lego, arms is performing quite well with the tier set buffs, and our season 1 tier set was the strongest on paper

going from zero tier to 4piece is a 17% increase for arms, while only a 12% increase for fury, for example

and we had a higher baseline even with both specs wearing no tier

[strange perch]

Ahhh I see, personally I like both so either one is cool with me. I've just noticed a few videos as arms and more people have been running arms in keys I've noticed

[dire hinge]

at this time, and pending any unforeseen tuning, arms should be one of the stronger specs this season

[final dove]

Anyway to sim next seasons gear?

Yeah S1 arms set was good

[vast surge]

Was S2 set hated?

[hexed saddle]

it just didnt do anything

[vast surge]

I feel like I enjoyed every tier set for Arms

Like none of them we're amazing but they we'rent bad

[hexed saddle]

u cant enjoy s2 cause it didnt do anything

like it actually did nothing

there was no gameplay change

[vast surge]

I just liked MS did AoE

I can enjoy anything I choose to

[lost zodiac]

just rerolled warrior

[sharp tendon]

What do you guys think about the arms rework for war within. ?

[magic canopy]

arms has basically played the same talents the entire expac

the tier sets did almost nothing but give us more damage to what we already do

[hexed saddle]

yeah but at least s3 gave u whackamole and s1 actually did damage

[halcyon haven]

monke

[wary raft]

season 2 had that cool like rock frontal animation :3

[surreal breach]

just to make sure, on opener ST charge > rend > potion/avatar/trinket > colossus > Troar ya?

[thick kelp]

troar after rend

[surreal breach]

is there a particular reason to rush out troar without it being in Colossus?

makes sense to me to want it to benefit from 30% dam buff but i'm open minded to throwing it early because it lines up better when 1.5min come back around

[radiant lion]

so you have an extra global in cs for bigger test of might

so you use it prior to cs, since it doesnt spend rage

[surreal breach]

interesting, looking thru top 10 Volcoross so few of them seem to do that

[thick kelp]

its only a minor gain so if you dont have muscle memory for it

u dont have to do it

[radiant lion]

It wont make or break your damage

[surreal breach]

sure, just wondering in a vacuum

also, do we every want to hold Colossus to realign with CDs at any point or nah?

like is there a threshold of "within 10sec hold, if not, throw"

[thick kelp]

colossus on cd

you do negative dps if u dont have CS on boss or ToM active

[radiant lion]

The only time I've ever thought of delaying cs very slightly is if the boss is about to enter 35, just to maximize rage spending and have a big tom for the fatality

But otherwise no, cs always on cd

[surreal breach]

do we always if possible want to manipulate Tom to be active when fatality procs?

at that, does Fatality benefit from any dmg amp/crit chance/vers/etc.?

[gaunt owl]

Only from STR and versa

Trying to min max fatality isnt worth it

[surreal breach]

guides don't give too good of an idea of how to intro a big pack of mobs with all cds available

[thick kelp]

This is from Tmys discord for the single BS build

[surreal breach]

jsut not sure what order ot sequence with the bladestorm build that we'll be using next season

[surreal breach]

perfect ty

[surreal breach]

any reason why ST opener throws troar before dmg amps? it running ToM?

[thick kelp]

so u get full duration from hurrican for it

if u cast it after the bladestorm you get less uptime of hurrican +TR overlap

[surreal breach]

i see

[thick kelp]

and its playing iftk

[surreal breach]

what's the cat?

Also, do you know if it's playing blademaster or warlords torment?

[thick kelp]

warlords torment

[surreal breach]

i dont see sweeping strikes anywhere in there, do we not even bother on packs of 4+?

[thick kelp]

this is the build its running for s3 u can put thr point from cleave to 2nd bb

u can use SS before avatar or after the opener is done

[surreal breach]

would you fit MS anywhere into the aoe prio? or is Ww, cleave, or tclap always available and better for multi targets even with SS up?

[thick kelp]

MS on cd on 4 or less with SS up

and otherwise prio ww and op

u will want to send ms with 2x op buffs

[surreal breach]

only if SS up tho right?

[thick kelp]

with ss down your ww and op are higher prio and ms only with 2x buffs. with ss up you go ms on cd

but dont quote me exactly on these, not a big minigame player

[surreal breach]

mhmhm

im jsut trying to understand the threshold where you wouldn't even bother with MS

5+ targets?

[thick kelp]

.

[karmic forge]

Howdy when we expecting S4 class guides to go live on wowhead, suppose they are holding on to them currently

[hexed saddle]

when s4 goes live

[tranquil mist]

what will be the stat prios for arms in raid season4? haste crit maybe

[spring basalt]

Any ideas whats gonna happen to the Aug rune is it gonna be viable in S4 or are they releasing a new one ?

[tranquil mist]

it is still the same rune

[obsidian warren]

The whirlwind build from like archon still the go to with jugg the alternative right?

[boreal quartz]

Bunch of everything as ur turbo deep into DR

Just sim and ur chillin

[cedar coyote]

So since I now have the axe, when do yall try to use the ability? Is it a keep on cd while making sure to not die?

[random ibex]

I use it outside of cooldowns and colossus smash, and on pull

[random ibex]

If you’re doing raid, use lorrgs.io to see where others are using it

[cedar coyote]

I'm assuming use charge for rage then use the axe?

[random ibex]

Charge, rend, leggo is what I was doing on fyrakk

[strange perch]

am i doing smth rwrong if in st im pressing overpower, mortal strike off cd and execute with procs

as my rotation

[olive nest]

Well not necessarily, are you familiar with the prio?

[strange perch]

arms is too confusing for my fury brain 😟

[strange perch]

um

mortal strike > execute > overpower

thats all i know

[olive nest]

Well sorta yes it depends on if you have CS on the target and also if you’re target is in execute range

DMd you a image of the prio/scenario in a fairly easy to read format

[random ibex]

@olive nest can I get that too :)?

[olive nest]

Sure thing

If you’re in Tmmy’s discord it’s the info in the spec channels

[random ibex]

I don’t think I’m in that one

[strange perch]

this is probably a dumb nitpicky thing, but do you roar on single target inside either warbreaker buff window

or just test of might

wowhead guide says just test of might during st, but says both for execute

[arctic iris]

Where are you seeing that for execute?

[strange perch]

wowhead guide

[arctic iris]

That doesn't say what you think it says

Test of Might and In For The Kill are on a choice node, you have one or the other, not both.

[strange perch]

right.

that is exactly how i read it

my question is as follows:

does the use of roar on single target depend on which warbreaker buff i take? or does it actually change based on execute phase

[arctic iris]

It's the same in and out of execute.

[strange perch]

ok, so back to my question

is it used regardless of which talent you pick, or only during test of might?

on single target

[arctic iris]

If you pick Test of Might, you use it during Test of Might.

If you instead took In For The Kill, you use it during In For The Kill

[strange perch]

ok got it

[arctic iris]

Just like the rotation guide says for both execute and non-execute

[strange perch]

let me play around with some of the clicky things on the guide, i swear i had it saying "during Test of Might" (with no mention of in for the kill)

for the ST portion

[arctic iris]

You might have been looking at where it says to use Bladestorm during ToM

[strange perch]

ok yeah i was just dumb and confused roar and bladestorm

so no bladestorm on st with in for the kill?

thanks for bearing with me while i learned to read

[arctic iris]

That I'm not actually sure of. The guide doesn't mention it, so I generally don't use it unless I need the CC immunity or I'm trying to get Hurricane for an upcoming vulnerability phase

e.g. on the last boss of BRH, I try to time it so that it ends as we get the huge damage buff-- a few seconds of lower damage before the buff doesn't matter when I could increase my massive damage after I get the buff

[thorn sentinel]

How will arms vs fury for both raid and m+ be in s4r ?

[arctic iris]

Likely similar to now, the only "change" compared to S3 is that we'll have different tier bonuses and more available trinkets

[thorn sentinel]

how hard will it be to quest in open world content to get s4 gear as item level less then 450

[arctic iris]

Probably pretty easy.

Worst-case scenario, you can fly around the dreamsurge zone to gather green orbs (2 whelplings crests per orb), then use 30 whelpling crests to craft a 486 item, no spark or flightstones required. You can do that for every single gear slot aside from trinkets. It'll probably cost like 3-500g per item.

There will probably be a cap on whelpling crests that goes up each week, like in previous seasons, so you probably can't do every item, but you could do whichever slots you're missing

IIRC, the cap started at 90 crests at the beginning of season 3. Season 4 may start with a higher cap, or maybe even start uncapped, since it's a shorter season.

[halcyon breach]

With ToM the optimal way is to use it before CS to have one more global during your CS window, however it's a small difference and doesn't matter much. The same goes with using it inside of your CS window or ToM, the difference is negligible. The only time you'd find it really make a difference is in AoE scenarios where you'd use ToM (i.e Fyrakk souls or Igira spears if they ever lived long enough for your roar dot to matter)

Long and short is just use it on CD unless you have a reason to hold it

[thorn sentinel]

do we know yet if dreamsurge for the epic item if we only can get it each week or is it dialy ?

[halcyon breach]

In AoE assuming you use BS, you'd use it before BS to make sure the majority of the dot is buffed by Hurricane, as the initial hit is a small part of Roars damage

[arctic iris]

I assume it would continue to be weekly.

[thorn sentinel]

Are hekili or maxdps bad as arms warrior ?

[arctic iris]

Those addons are generally not ideal for any spec, because they don't really teach you what you're doing or why, which means you can't plan around upcoming pulls.

However, they are much better than not knowing your rotation or doing it badly.

So really, I would say it depends on how casually you're playing.

If you're not trying to push higher keys (20+, or I guess that would be 10+ next season with the key rescaling) or do mythic raids past the first few easy bosses, I think those addons are fine

[strange perch]

i've only done like two dungeons as arms, basically just fishing for the legendary and tanking until tuesday, but it seems like once you get things on cooldown those things are kind of overkill anyway since you are a lot more limited in the choices you have

[maiden pier]

I’ll have to get my hands on it to see how it plays, but definitely interested to see how the rage rework handles

[sharp tendon]

Yeh i dont have beta yet

Hope sk get a thing again it was a nice ability to press before nerfs

[wooden knot]

They are pretty close in m+ but Arms gonna leave fury in the dust for raid. It is such a huge gap one would think fury is gonna get an ST buff of some kind. (like a 15% gap on the sims page)

[distant viper]

is x2 shadowflame best or 1 shadowflame and allied wrist?

embellisments

[cedar coyote]

i did shadowflame and wrists

but i now use wrists and lariat, though its gonna end up changing again soon LOL

lariat was only better because i had all my sockets

[lost zodiac]

i've read the faq and the pins. Can someone give me a TLDR for fyralath usage in S4 in aoe and ST? I know it'll be on the GCD

[crimson tree]

Send it

[wooden knot]

hopefully, outside of CDs

[dire hinge]

for season 4 we may see arms running Blue Silken Lining (or "BSL") as well, though its power stems from being able to stay above 90% hp.

[gaunt owl]

i dont recommend BSL without strong Dpriest and good usage of defensive

and some fights its just awful

[sage badge]

I run 2x BSL. I like stats.

[wind flicker]

For m+ BSL is actually really badge imo

Especially with the dungeon we're getting

[hazy flower]

Isnt x2 bsl bugged

[sage badge]

Don't think so

[swift crown]

It is but never permanently

It sometimes requires re-equipping or taking it off, relogging, putting it back on

[sage badge]

Never had that issue, but I'll take your word on it.

[swift crown]

It's not exactly common but when it does happen you only benefit from 1 BSL

[quasi torrent]

schmidster wouldn't lie

[swift crown]

You can always check your tooltip

If you are bugged the tooltip will only show the value of one BSL

[quasi torrent]

If youre a real king

u make a WA

That only loads with both ur BSL eq

and triggers when value < x

[swift crown]

Sure that's possible

[quasi torrent]

or just don't use dogshit bsl

[swift crown]

If a bit finnicky

[strange perch]

yeah bsl is pretty dog

idk why so many specs run it, probably just because it sims well

[hazy flower]

^

[quasi torrent]

cause they fucked over most other embelishes hard

[strange perch]

guessing someone didnt want to run allied or adaptive anymore lol

[timber lynx]

we couldve been all running sporecloak

Smh

[dire hinge]

rip sporecloak

[gaunt owl]

it would have been so broken

imagine the key lvl they could be pushing this season if it wasnt gutted

[strange perch]

which makes no sense since M+ has infinite scaling and doesnt cap at a certain key level

[dire hinge]

the main thing people run into is living through mechanics at higher levels, not the dps checks, and pre-nerfs the sporecloak would have let more people live in even higher keys

[chilly tapir]

Has there been any mention or talk of a BiS list for the s4? With all trinkets being available at current ilvl figured.maybe stuff switches?

[wooden knot]

There is a mega-spreadsheet that has all the sims:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit#gid=0

[chilly tapir]

Oh thanks, sorry if it's been asked a lot and I just missed it

[sour forge]

Guides will be updated within the first week I’m sure

[gaunt owl]

As always

its just S1 gameplay post 10.0.5

nothing major

[strange perch]

of course bsl will sim highest, youre at 100% health during the sim rofl

sim bait

[gaunt owl]

so you dont understand how sim works

we set a % on bsl

[hazy flower]

Xd

[wind flicker]

Its dependent on a lot of things if BSL is worth it or not, with a major part being if its inside your cd's or not. Regardless for especially the m+ dungeon we're getting next season there is a LOAD of random dmg breaking your BSL, imo not worth for M+ in practically any scenario

[woven wasp]

people falling for B. bait 💀

[hazy flower]

U cant say that without properly testing on live servers

[wind flicker]

I can say it because we already did the dungeons we getting

[hazy flower]

Eb is supposed to be shit with all the damage but I still had 65% on high tyra

[gaunt owl]

i'm sure he legit dont understand anything, from the few times i've seen him talk

[woven wasp]

roar/ravager making things too hard to see sealed the deal for me

[boreal quartz]

@quasi torrent

HOSEN CHECK

[quasi torrent]

in bed

no hosen

[boreal quartz]

no HOSEN

[strange perch]

[dire hinge]

that's a surprise

[hazy flower]

yeah

wonder how vaults will work

is it clear week 1 and getr mythic vault for 2 weeks? also how is it gonna be week 7+

[dire hinge]

definitely not against it, having 2 weeks between prog was weird. Granted, now it's 4, but after that initial gap you can prog as long as you want at least

[gaunt owl]

in SL s4 was giving you vault of everything

so big loot table

[dire hinge]

only initial thought from this is that fast/easy clears of Fyrakk/Sark for lego are only gonna happen for the first 4 weeks, then its permanently empowered

[wicked goblet]

So I wasn't playing arms in s3,2,1. Was S1 tier bonus solid? We aren't going to be dogshit in s4 are we

[dire hinge]

extremely solid, we're currently set up to be one of the strongest

[wicked goblet]

Oh thank god. I switched from Fury as a joke but ended up REALLY liking arms. So now I may just main it

[gaunt owl]

but with the jump in gear our DPS is skyrocketing

[dire hinge]

oh absolutely, it'll still be easy

just not as easy

probably a good thing tbh

[gaunt owl]

yeah sometimes going too fast on DPS isnt easier

[dire hinge]

At the beginning of Season 4, all Keystones will be reset to level 2, regardless of levels. This is done due to our difficulty refactoring of Mythic and Mythic+.

[gaunt owl]

after 3 keys you gonna have your lvl 10 anyway 😄

[hazy flower]

or if you play with few people

get 1 key

push it up

and then take key from boss

[gaunt owl]

they gonna get a lvl 2 key

its gonna be a hard reset

[hazy flower]

but can u not take the key?

and just be keyless

[gaunt owl]

you can but you would only see lvl 2 keys anyway

[dire hinge]

at best you could pick which +2 you get haha

[proper moth]

Remember folks get a trinket with your week one bullion. Following week you can straight upgrade your axe.

[quick marlin]

ok bois, world-last fyr'alath getter reporting in for quick tips on usage 🙂

[strange perch]

How

[proper moth]

Use the active outside of ToM and Csmash I belief and you’re good

[strange perch]

Is scales only 1 bullon

[proper moth]

You get 1 bullion week one and 2 week 2

[quasi torrent]

It does not say that

[strange perch]

Lol

[proper moth]

It goes up by 1 each week unless I read that wrong

[quasi torrent]

Some peeps reading shit into it

[wispy tiger]

Don't use it during your opener and you'll be aight. Good to use during lust ever since they made it hasted.

[strange perch]

No you get 1 bullon per week

If you missed a week the cap thay you can get in a week goes up

[proper moth]

Nvm ignore me lol

[quick marlin]

ty!

[dire hinge]

it works like crests do, there's a cap that increases every week, but only 1 per week unless you missed one (then you can catch up)

[strange perch]

Think of it like the sparks

For crafted items

[proper moth]

Gotcha gotcha

Rip 2 week Lego upgrade atleast by the time I slow down on the warrior I can değen on the evoker lol

[sacred zodiac]

isnt your evoker on the same timeline

[wispy tiger]

Np and also never use it while your CDs are in use (Colossus smash, Avatar, etc.). Also also be careful about upcoming mechanics when you use it. It roots you and it will very much get you killed if you time it poorly.

[hazy flower]

but if u play with 4 people

1 picks key

[opaque lake]

I know the PTR showed that we should be getting 2 bullion for the dungeon weekly event, but do we know if TW week will also award bullion if it remains the same? I honestly forgot to check last TW week on PTR.

[strange perch]

oh jeez, that's kind of annoying. (guy who only has two kills as of this week)

[dire hinge]

you've got 5 more before it becomes empowered 🎉

err 4 more*

[strange perch]

yeah, so i'll have to do 10 kills of season 4 heroic fyrakk to finish the thing

unless i roll the dice

maybe the meta will be to do mythic fyrakk in season 4 gear, for four weeks

[dire hinge]

i mean if you have a group for it, go for it! Mythic will still be quite challenging those opening weeks, but just try and kill fyrakk on the highest difficulty you can every week until you get it

[surreal breach]

where are people throwing Lego in m+ aoe packs? jsut immediately tclap > lego > CD dump?

or holding lego for after?

[bronze nest]

Probably before

Cs

[strange perch]

yeah, i'm getting heroic done every week, so i should get it done at least before the end of the expansion

[bronze nest]

So as you said yeah

[strange perch]

I'm secretly hoping that the axe will drop at s4 item level if you get it later

[slow saddle]

but please

so for 2 weeks we cant upgrade leggo

so we will replace it at first if we get mythic + weap

then reequip it once we get 2 bullions

[dire hinge]

either works. before or after is fine, the main goal is to try and use it when Warbreaker isn't applied to anything. It desyncs from your kit, so if it comes up midway through a pack (and there is still a bunch of mobs alive) you can send it on the end and it's perfectly okay

i prefer before just to get it on cooldown early

[proper moth]

Maybe a tin foil hat theory I knew when I was getting closer to my axe when I started getting less pitty flames, I had 0 pitty drops the raid I got my axe so maybe just coincidence

[sour forge]

Coincidence

[empty gull]

Tin foil hat theory lol

[proper moth]

lol

[strange perch]

i still havent gotten my axe

i get embodimend of the highland mount instead

[proper moth]

Rip rng

[strange perch]

yeah ive had guildies get it on their fresh alts before i get it on my main

makes no sense

and then they dont even log on their alts to play rofl

[radiant lion]

just get it next week, and you won't have to spend a dinar to make it a s4 item 🧠

[proper moth]

Yeah you’ll get it week 2 when you have 2 bullions for that insta upgrade

[proper moth]

Was me on my evoker 1 sark kill got the lego

But I did play the shit out of it and am considering it for the coming season

[strange perch]

surprisngly dev evoker feels good idk why

[proper moth]

Big numbers

[opaque lake]

Pretty sure at least on PTR it was still awarding 496 axe. Could change but I don’t see why it would.

[proper moth]

And opener is

Yeah you still get 496 axe then have to upgrade

[opaque lake]

I’m just trying to figure out if the timewalking weekly will have some sort of bullion award like the dungeon weekly will.

Would allow us an item on week 1 if it’s the case.

[proper moth]

Not quite

We’re capped at 1 bullion I’d assume you have to spend before acquiring another

Week one atleast

[opaque lake]

Quest would likely avoid the bullion cap like with crest quest awards.

[proper moth]

I hope so

[opaque lake]

There was a cap of 1 on PTR when the weekly awarded 2

And it didn’t block you from receiving it

[proper moth]

Ah nice week one lego upgrade would be pog

Or double trinket🤔

[opaque lake]

Yea I didn’t bother checking if the timewalking weekly was available on the PTR a couple weeks ago, but either it’ll award 1-2 bullion like the dungeon weekly or it’ll remain a normal cache probably from all 3 raids.

[robust ridge]

Kind of impossible to know, that sort of detail they'll basically just drop on us after reset

PTR wouldn't be reflective of live in that scenario

[opaque lake]

Otherwise we’ll possibly be forced to remove our Lego for a week and I feel like that isn’t blizzards intention

[proper moth]

That would be such a stupid decision

[opaque lake]

I mean the dungeon weekly awarding 2 bullion on PTR likely wasn’t a mistake considering they had to go out of their way to change it if that’s what you mean

[robust ridge]

Not necessarily a mistake, but something they may opt to change without giving any kind of notice

[opaque lake]

The alternative is likely a cache with a random single piece of loot from all 3 raids which feels much worse than even a random piece of loot from a single raid. Avoiding that makes sense.

It’s more so just whether TW follows the same logic because the rewards are just a worse version of that. The possibility is just an assumption and mostly based on hope though.

[robust ridge]

Yeh, again I just said it was impossible to know - season 4 is a very different animal to a normal season, less constraints / consequences on their part

[nova marsh]

Do we know how much the lego upgrade is?

[untold wolf]

just coming back from szn2. hows arms looking going into s4?

[elfin kindle]

So are raids on a 2 week rotation or will every raid be available and awakened after 6 weeks?

[halcyon breach]

2 Bullions

[nova marsh]

So it'll take 2 weeks to get nice

[halcyon breach]

Very strong, easily one of the strongest specs in S4

[sour forge]

1 week rotation

Until week 7 I think

Arms owns

Fury snooze s4

[verbal pike]

S1 Tier set is the one we get in S4 right? (the effect, not the xmorg)

[halcyon breach]

Correct

[verbal pike]

Damn

Is that even good? I mainly M+ and seems like the current set is way better

[halcyon breach]

It's incredibly strong

Don't underestimate straight damage increases to your main abilities, on top of giving an additional 8% damage and crit chance across all of your abilities

Considering how often you press the three enablers, it's gonna be near constant uptime of the buff

[verbal pike]

I must have read it wrong, I thought it was 8% to MS, Cleave and Execute but you are right it is 8% just across the board

[meager prairie]

It's also way more boring than the current one though

[green forum]

Is there any sims for Season 4 kicking around?

[magic canopy]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit#gid=0

arms good

[steep delta]

Does rend still go up to 20 seconds and I'm meant to re-apply sub 5?

[strange perch]

I don’t think you ever really need to press rend right now

[steep delta]

...You dont use thunderclap?

[strange perch]

I use thunderclap

You asked about rend

[steep delta]

Yeah thunderclap applies rend, I re-apply sub 5 seconds right?

[steep delta]

it's 3 seconds

[cold vigil]

i'm coming back after taking a break in S2 and holy shit what did they do to my arms!? Look how they massacred my boy!

every post i look at says its bottom tier in ST

😭

[pure otter]

Cant wait to see what kinda fuckery s4 brings us, think critcake says were omegalul single

[clever crag]

How the mighty have fallen

[pure otter]

eh

[teal fossil]

arms is about as good now as it was in S2

[storm lark]

Is S4 rotation any diffrent from now?

[cold vigil]

idk i haven't played right now, but the posts and forums tell me so. tier lists too. it was higher before

[strange perch]

What race does everyone play? Kinda over dwarf

[rare kite]

dwarf

[robust ridge]

God help you if you put any stock in tier lists my dude

Arms is actually in quite a decent spot right now, and going into S4 will be pretty powerful (assuming no last minute tuning)

[teal fossil]

s2 arms was definitely not great

right now is quite better

[robust ridge]

^

[strange perch]

I was thinking kul tiran or night elf

[cold vigil]

the cow goes moo

[strange perch]

Tauren?

[cold vigil]

is it?

[rare kite]

yes

[cold vigil]

thats nice to hear then

[cold vigil]

yeah

tauren has a nice crit passive for warr too

[strange perch]

I just want something that looks decent with tmogs too

[cold vigil]

lemme find my tmog

[cold vigil]

sent in dm

[simple grove]

Colossal giant 2handed weapon and you're good to go

[strange perch]

Based

[ashen cloud]

NE all the way

[elfin kindle]

Dwarf will be the go to for s4 mplus tho, right?

[quasi torrent]

nelf and dwarf will both be good

[boreal quartz]

troll is funny

dps racial thats fake in keys tho

[prisma heart]

Go panda the food buff cray

[dense verge]

What 2h weapon should I get crafted?

I have 120 aspects crets and about 720 flightstones. Gold isn't a limiting factor. Having trouble getting a decent 2h from raids/m+, so figured I should just buy one. Prot warrior main, just looking to get a good arms weapon,

[boreal quartz]

ideally you get the lego now

[prisma heart]

food buff worth 3700dps as panda btw only 1850dps as other races

[boreal quartz]

though crafting the non embell is good

[dense verge]

Idk if I should get a 2h axe or 2h claymore. Claymore has higher minimum/maximum damage, but both obviously do same dps and can be crafted with the same stats (crit/haste are best, according to wowhead). I've exhuasted google searches, and figured you guys know best.

I can't get the lego to drop, that is why I am getting one crafted

UF is the devil, should I go claymore, axe, does it matter?

[boreal quartz]

doesnt matter

[smoky kayak]

min/max doesn't matter, just DPS

[naive sage]

It doesn’t matter

[boreal quartz]

weapon type is purely for the looks nowadays

[dense verge]

and i'll tmog it to taerleasch (sp?) anyway

[boreal quartz]

and youll mog over it anyways 🤷‍♂️

[boreal quartz]

fire stick

[dense verge]

hehe .... so claymore looks easier. 20 alloys and i'm done. crit/haste ok?

or something and vers

[naive sage]

Sim

[dense verge]

Sorry for asking like this, but found a blacksmith who is patiently waiting

[boreal quartz]

crithaste is fine yea

as long as u arent pretty well geared you can always default to it

[dense verge]

my prot warrior is in 486 M+/raid gear

i guess i rolled protection too many times. i just don't have a 2h

cool ill go crit/haste. thanks UF is the devil

[boreal quartz]

[dense verge]

lol

[boreal quartz]

cute frog isnt it?

[dense verge]

Should I embellish my weapon? Or is it better to embellish other pieces of gear for BiS arms?

I'd eat its legs ... the frog

[boreal quartz]

other pieces