#arms
gaunt owl
i need to be in a 1k guild too
so i can giga pad and no have to stop hard dps for 30 seconds
😄
gaunt owl
when people are used to push timers
if you change them its gonna take work to redo the CD and shit
halcyon breach
Just have better healers 
gaunt owl
some guild dont bother with this rightfully so
halcyon breach
Then pushing wont be an issue
gaunt owl
i try to apply to Bad Luck
halcyon breach
@sacred zodiac
ionic reef
Just wait till i check for s4
gaunt owl
where are u rn
at home
hazy flower
zzzzzzzzz
hazy flower
meant guild
gaunt owl
oh you mean guild
i'm raiding with Santa Maria as trial
they gave me a shot at being the bestest Arms OTP ever
gaunt owl
they did get some
gaunt owl
for prog yes they did
hazy flower
not on fyrakk kill
gaunt owl
just not showing because wowprogress secretly sux at tracking people
gaunt owl
yep they do have a one trick poney 😄
hazy flower
that I skipped the tanks
rare kite
only seen 1 prot warrior in a raid team this tier and that's in critcakes guild
hazy flower
there are pros and cons to otp definitely
rare kite
true, i feel like the people that play prot warr only play prot warr. atleast the chance of them being good is high
hazy flower
its not even that tbf
if you're actual otp
you probably dont know how half of the other specs work
gaunt owl
knowing what you can is 100% the play
hazy flower
I'm more talking about m+
in raid obv it's literally you, some healers and that's it
most of the time
hazy flower
unless you're rl or on some cd assigning council
gaunt owl
they are running like headless chicken
i was ranged player back in legion
and 99% of your perf
come from good positioning
and anticipation
hazy flower
depends what healer but yeah
gaunt owl
if you arent ready that something gonna hit you
hazy flower
like disc priest is so hardf
gaunt owl
you gonna be too late on everything
gaunt owl
knowing how the fight is gonna go is 100% more important
than knowing wtf the other guy has to do
hazy flower
yeah I was more talking about m+
where knowing other specs is much more important than in raid
in raid its like whatever most of the time
sacred zodiac
<@164800371057754112>
hi
sacred zodiac
hello
halcyon breach
he's slowly following in my footsteps
sacred zodiac
might go back
halcyon breach
you wont
ionic reef
it is time you give me your idea
Not yet
gaunt owl
Revvez denied me his secret APL sauce for S3
he told me the current one was good enough
ionic reef
As he should
gaunt owl
gaunt owl
always can learn from greater mind !
ionic reef
gain is gain
rare kite
he told me the current one was good enough
"good enough" is his way of saying his is better
gaunt owl
try with this one
gaunt owl
"good enough" is his way of saying his is better
i'm happy that its good enough that he dont bother updating his APL
i even taught him the Execute Spam curse of Ayxek
this shit came out of nowhere
rare kite
big honor teaching revvez how to play
gaunt owl
i tried to do the share so i can learn
rare kite
how did you even discover the cursed exe spam? just experimenting?
gaunt owl
gonna have to dig my DM with Ayxek
it came out of nowhere the idea
its in french
not gonna leak it
we keep the secret cooking tech underwrap
cant have too many cooks !
we did more than 2k gains with DM back and forth something like this
lots of not so wild idea
rare kite
only @hexed saddle can understand it anyways
gaunt owl
that made sense with how bad Arms design is
gaunt owl
from the glimpse of hero talent
we can only hope
if they fuck it up
we gonna be stuck with one Hero Tree
rare kite
guess we'll see, there is one change i think they need to make to colossus tho. make avatar give max stacks
gaunt owl
guess we'll see, there is one change i think they need to make to colossus tho. ...
that would be a nice quality of life for sure
there is some big issue with Colossus that i hope we gonna get a better view with class rework
rare kite
there is some big issue with Colossus that i hope we gonna get a better view wit...
what other issues do you think there are? demolish maybe not being hasted is one of them
rare kite
right... forgot about ToM
latent moss
good since it will be gone
gaunt owl
and Colossus tree is kinda lacking compared to Slayer
gaunt owl
i hate the idea of buffing shockwave
latent moss
ye i think shockwave should be a knock baselnie
gaunt owl
having utility separate from any buff
it should be transformative at best
knockup instead of stun is fine
extra stun duration ?
wtf is that even a thing
hazy flower
pair it with the roar
and it's what, 8 seconds?
kekw
almost as good as dhs silence sigil
latent moss
:xdd:
rare kite
extra stun duration is kinda insane, 4 second aoe stun in this version of the game is crazy good
latent moss
i mean it changes shockwave completely imo
from an aoe stop to a spell that can lock down a pack for quite some time
sour nest
So, as some one who’s only casually played warrior since picking up ranged in NH. I’m a little confused about the meta build for m+… the single BS build is a 7% ish loss in single target for me, but only a 3% gain on 5t/Dungeon slice. I suppose if your group pulls around your blade storm that would make a difference? But the jugg build still has great burst with avatar and roar. Idk, I know the season is nearly over. But I’m jus having a blast revisiting my vanilla-legion main
hazy flower
When I was simming it was only lile 5% loss in st between bs and jugg
But generally stuff like fatal mark jugg etc might appear better on sims and worse in reality
Its annoying to play with in aoe
sour nest
Oh, yeah sorry I’m not playing fatal, just playing critical thinking and juggernaut over valor and the 2 BS talents
I tried fatal for a bit, it’s super annoying yeah
hazy flower
I just used fatal mark as example since @teal fossil told me how sim uses fatal mark on every target it gets stacks on
Where in reality you wont and even shouldn’t do that in most of the cases
sour nest
Definitely yeah
hazy flower
2bs talents, are you referring to blademasters torment?
I suggest you play with warlors torment
Better st and burstier aoe
sour nest
I mean bladestorm itself and hurricane
I’ve been playing warlords yeah. Seems a lot better
hazy flower
Jugg build is definitely viable anyway
I dont like it personally but it’s still good enough to push title level keys
sour nest
Guess it depends on the comp too. Like if you’ve already got 2 prio damage specs you probably need to play BS
hazy flower
Not necessarily
sour nest
Of course, I just mean maybe there’s a place for both, is all.
teal finch
For execute phase, if I already have 2 stacks of executioner's precision but my Mortal strike is still on cd, I should never be pressing execute again, and instead opt for other abilities like overpower until MS is off CD right?
gaunt owl
Hrothmar gonna cook you the answer with all the details
dire hinge
For execute phase, if I already have 2 stacks of executioner's precision but my ...
If you’re in this situation, your choice will be determined by your current rage.
If you have more than 40 rage, send a third execute.
If you have less than 40 rage, send an Overpower
teal finch
Because overpower might make me cap on rage if i'm over 40 so it's better to just dump it on another execute i assume?
dire hinge
The extra executes might not build your “executioner’s precision”, but it’ still does a lot of damage and builds your Juggernaut stacks faster early on.
gaunt owl
be mindful about your swing timer
dire hinge
And things like Test of Might and Anger Management
gaunt owl
it can legit be bad if you get parried
and your rage flow is down the gutter
i had some pull where i wasnt overflowing with rage in execute
gaunt owl
i didnt check for where i can has it
hazy flower
click on me
dire hinge
when are you gonna become a clown
hazy flower
stop gaslighting me...
gaunt owl
yeah ok wtf is that
hazy flower
(In regards to the American band, not directed as a label towards you)
I didnt even understand the reference
tbf
kekw
I'm probably too young or european
dire hinge
Totally fine, I realized this would probably not make sense for non-Americans and wanted to clarify to avoid any confusion 😅
We have an… interesting(?) band called the Insane Clown Posse
Felt relevant
gaunt owl
@hazy flower it took me too long
it is the last time you gaslight me into clicking something
thick kelp
gaunt owl
you got clowned too
hazy flower
you guys have some
dog shit luck
took me 19
I just checked
was bored after 3
lmao
latent moss
it can legit be bad if you get parried
happened to me a few times
makes me want to leave the game
instantly
remote oxide
If I want to do high keys and mythic raid in s4 do I need the leggo axe ? Haven't played warrior in 2 seasons
wind flicker
It is highly preferable since it makes a lot of our dps yes
Especially for M+ people will most likely not want you if you dont have the legendary on high keys
remote oxide
Damm. Welp back to shaman then. That sucks
wind flicker
Just do heroic every week ^^
remote oxide
Just do heroic every week ^^
It took people months to get the drop. By then the xpac will be out
hexed saddle
It took people months to get the drop. By then the xpac will be out
just do heroic every week and if u get it u get it, if not then u have ur shaman anyways
wouldnt let the knicknack stick get in the way of you playing the class you want to play
dire hinge
it does bring a lot of damage to the table (~5-ish%), but yeah, just play warrior if you want to. You can still perform extremely well even without the lego, and you'll eventually get it anyways
Critcake didn't get theirs until quite late, but was still pushing keys and clearing mythic. Most of your performance will be spec knowledge and practice.
remote oxide
wouldnt let the knicknack stick get in the way of you playing the class you want...
I want to play around 3100 io s4. If I'm getting kicked cause the axe. It ain't worth it tbh. To me at least
wind flicker
I want to play around 3100 io s4. If I'm getting kicked cause the axe. It ain't...
You can get that without the axe pretty comfortably
Dont worry about it
remote oxide
Pub perception is a thing though. Yea if I get a 5 stack were good to go though
hexed saddle
yeah i mean pub perception is more likely to not take you cause your class name is brown than you not having a stick
dire hinge
yeah, we can't help with multiple of the affixes 😅
gaunt owl
if people gatekeep you from gaming because of the axe, you dodged a bullet
wind flicker
As a comparison, i was 3.7k io this season till i got the axe
I got it very late
And i know that biz and crit were also 3.7-3.8 before they got it
gaunt owl
Biz doesnt deserve it
he promotes padding
i speed dialed Ion to reset his lego luck each week
maiden moat
is there allready a BIS list for next saison ?
gaunt owl
we do have some sim ready but nothing set in stone we are waiting for trinket tuning
wind flicker
is there allready a BIS list for next saison ?
If there is, it's probably inaccurate since trinkets are giga busted atm and not properly tuned
strange perch
Will the axe go up in power as iLvl go up next season or how’d that work
wind flicker
Will the axe go up in power as iLvl go up next season or how’d that work
Probably
dire hinge
Will the axe go up in power as iLvl go up next season or how’d that work
yup! It'll get scaled to be slightly above max ilvl of the new tier's gear. You'll likely need to acquire the axe naturally first, then you spend a currency (bulion) to upgrade the axe to Season 4 (if you acquired it in Season 3). If you acquire it in Season 4 it should just start at that ilvl already.
strange perch
Do the essences from s3 stack for s4? I started s3 very late so I only have a handful of heroic kills
hexed saddle
should do
dire hinge
i hope so, would be awful to restart
wind flicker
They said the evoker ones did, so i assume so ye
dire hinge
Unsure if it dropping on Fated affects the baseline axe ilvl or not, but you'd still want to kill Fyrakk on the off-weeks of Fated rotation for the essences anyways just so it drops sooner
assuming it would affect it
wind flicker
If it drops on higher ilvl by getting it next season, that would put people at an unfair advantage since they dont have to spend crests to upgrade it
Realistically you could have stacked 14 blp and get it max ilvl first time around in season 4 then
dire hinge
iirc that's how it worked for Sylv bow 🤔
if you got a fated bow you RNG'd into not needing to spend a currency
opaque lake
Considering it’s a quest and not just a drop like the bow it’ll likely just reward the 496 through the quest like it has been. The more likely result is that we might be able to loot the upgrade token from fyrakk like you could with the bow to save dinar.
smoky kayak
iirc that's how it worked for Sylv bow 🤔
so I asked and someone said it did actually drop at a higher ilevel if you got it on the fated rotation
but it also wasn't a quest, so hard to say
dire hinge
Consistency would be nice, especially to curb any ill feelings about bad rng timing with fated
wind flicker
Personally I think they're making it practically impossible to alt any legendary wielding class in the next season if you havent played / received legendary this season
To me especially considering it is a fated tier, it would be good to even further increase the BLP as a catchup for people that didnt play that character in s2 (for evoker) or s3 for the fyralath wielders
smoky kayak
they could just jack up the drop rate again in S4 too
wind flicker
Yeah exactly
dire hinge
it has definitely impacted my desire to have a plate alt for season 4 
wind flicker
I think it just highly limits people in potentially trying out something new like warrior
Because I've had loads of people talk to me about wanting to try arms when I was doing PTR testing because it looked so fun
And to be honest, it is really fun haha
sage badge
Oh
daring heron
last thing arms needs in S4 is more aoe buttons i think
wind flicker
Funny thing is that even with double bladestorm build im managing similar st output as fury right now 😅
sage badge
Well current FoB is just used to reset for OP anyway
Might be decent
I'll be back for s4 release. Until then, Arms owns
smoky kayak
Yeah FoB kinda died off, you could probably shoehorn it in, but I'm not sure there's any reason to
dire hinge
Dreadnaught, the talent that gives Overpower a frontal line*
shadow ibex
What's S4 m+ looking like? We playing FoB and cleave or?
make mbg and unhinged work
you wont
sage badge
proud plover
make mbg and unhinged work
Unhinged is reserved for slayer in tww
quasi torrent
unhinged try to not be shut challenge
(maybe MS needs to be good baseline and not rely on 14572891 mods to do damage hm)
rare kite
i sure hope it said deez nuts before
that does sound like hrothmar, such a toxic person
latent moss
unhinged try to not be shut challenge
5 mortal strikes and they dont consume the steroids but benefit from them
shadow ibex
we still need to get avatar to grant max colossus stacks so starting out boss fights isnt fuckin dumb
latent moss
colossus needs a lot of shit
shadow ibex
first cast with trinket procs and all CDs being the weakest
latent moss
first and foremost
it should be
demolish - replaces bladestorm
i dont want 2 channels
how would aoe work
in m+
shadow ibex
if only someone played warrior at blizz and realized these clunky nonsense things
latent moss
just sitting in channels for half the pull
prisma heart
Tww prepatch as Colossus with fyralath
dire hinge
it's like wait for resources, but in a new cool different way
latent moss
not at all
shadow ibex
i swear to god
shadow ibex
if we dont auto doing demolish
i swear to fuck
that's my biggest beef with leggo lowkey
fuckin shit ass no AA bullshit
dire hinge
more in the sense of "ok i can stop taking action for the next 1-2 gcds while [thing happens]", not the resources themselves necessarily
smoky kayak
if we dont auto doing demolish
Yeah, checking whether or not its hasted and if you can auto during are two important pieces - also whether prot can defensive during it
I do like that it can be cancelled, though tbh if you have to cancel it you've already kinda failed to use it correctly, which is a feelsbad
latent moss
that's my biggest beef with leggo lowkey
it also fucks up the time
r
when im done casting it
for like a second or so
i cant auto
shadow ibex
thunder only happens when its raining
rare kite
huh???
shadow ibex
proud plover
Anyone else sing that?
dire hinge
always
shadow ibex
cloud dawn
What kind of dmg loss are we looking at running shockwave
proud plover
What kind of dmg loss are we looking at running shockwave
losing uproar and cruel strikes
its really not needed unless its actually needed
cloud dawn
losing uproar and cruel strikes
thanks man
inner wasp
so I asked and someone said it did actually drop at a higher ilevel if you got i...
i wonder how much archi knows that he legally shouldnt and wont tell us
latent moss
@gaunt owl there is a >0 chance
proud plover
it matters not how much archi knows, it only matters how much blizz listens
inner wasp
we might be ww-ing in exe phase
stop cooking?
proud plover
only way im using ww in execute is inside cs for a bigger tom so please dont cook beyond that
latent moss
ember glen
So this is looking like the spec for raid season 4 for more meta?
proud plover
dont check talents
those talents look fine
latent moss
those talents look fine
spiteful serenity isnt as bad as people think
its just insanely cringe to play around and its worse
than am
and more boring
although on a patchwerk boss it is very bad
but amp phase + externals + massive tom + on use
it can have a lot of value
proud plover
now make that tom line up with fatality in sims
latent moss
thats the cringe part
hazy flower
but amp phase + externals + massive tom + on use
I mean I can see playing around it on smolderon but
it must be so ass
26 sec window to get str
latent moss
the issue is that
we cant build tom outside of exe
and in exe we dont have the rage gen
hazy flower
ye in exe it could be like 100
if u dont have many sd proccs
but outside cant see it be higher than 54-57 realistically
probably even more like 48-50
latent moss
the issue in exe phase is that u rage starve
u need to high roll wf prob or something
am with cs helps a lot
with rage gen in exe
latent moss
yep
weird they didnt do anything about it when they released spiteful serenity
but its a dead on arrival talent anyway
latent moss
i tried everything to make it sim close and its just not possible
hazy flower
(even though they're clearly fucking much worse)
latent moss
yep
latent moss
not like u would be playing it anyway
latent moss
true
scarlet current
Just got Leggo on Arms, when do i use it in the rotation?
scarlet current
@wind flicker ty!
proud plover
Just got Leggo on Arms, when do i use it in the rotation?
just remember that its damage is increeased in aoe from marks on mobs so its worrth holding for inc adds.neext pack etc
prisma heart
Just got Leggo on Arms, when do i use it in the rotation?
getting max # of uses is the most important thing, dont hold until after cds in opener if it will lose u a use
latent moss
on st on opener pretty much
minor kraken
With regards to S4 for m+ is the MS with SS build close to cleave in terms of dmg?
I just hate using cleave tbh.
rare kite
unless you want to cripple yourself you're gonna play cleave in s4
wind flicker
With regards to S4 for m+ is the MS with SS build close to cleave in terms of dm...
I've done a lot of testing on arms and there is basically 2 builds that are doing really well currently with both of them having cleave in them
Now you can divert from it ofcourse, but generally you default to either of those 2
minor kraken
Thanks for the help
hollow eagle
does the cleave build still take BS?
rare kite
one of them does
wind flicker
Well for m+ both of them do
Or atleast both builds i talked about
Only difference being one of them has 2 bladestorms while the other has only 1
rare kite
ye i don't really think of the 2 bladestorm builds as "different builds" basically just a variance of the same build
there's gonna be some people that play jugg, and idk what you take then. never been a fan of jugg personally
wind flicker
I personally dont see any reason to play juggernauth build in m+ especially with the rotation ahead
rare kite
i guess this is what a jugg build would be like
wind flicker
But preferences might differ
rare kite
I personally dont see any reason to play juggernauth build in m+ especially with...
ye me neither, but i can guarantee you some people are gonna come in here asking about jugg build
100%
wind flicker
I mean everyone has their own personal opinion on what is best, and in my opinion a good balance between AOE and ST is generally good for m+, thats why i'm usually advertising the single bladestorm build
Although I do have to say.... Double bladestorm MBG cleave is probably one of the best things for fun to play
minor kraken
I think for most pug grps MS with SS is gonna be competitive with any of the cleave builds.
Cuz ppl saying cleave only beats MS on 5+ targets.
latent moss
and the prio list is longer than the bible
modern cove
i guess this is what a jugg build would be like
in single target with season 1 tierset, this talent is stronger than bloodborne
latent moss
if u low roll its weaker
but ye
in most cases its stronger
and imo a lot more fun to play
bb is boring as fuck
i wouldnt advise playing it in aoe
shadow ibex
EB on senn will be fun
but also bloodborne is cleave dmg
cuz more bleed dmg on x2 target
inb4 we drop fatal with 3 minute boss fights cuz everyone is juiced
minor kraken
aoe is very bloated
Try the MS + SS build, I was playing that in s3 and i think it's viable for pugs even with the new tier.
Then again, playing Fury for m+ in s4 isn't a bad idea.
latent moss
i will fuck around with full st build
last time i played it was in s2 and it was fun in low pull count dungeons
like lair and vp
minor kraken
Yeah, and personally i would rather play builds that are pug proof.
In s3 i was only losing to ret pala's in keys sometimes. But I was only playing up to +22/23 keys.
So it's all personal preference
latent moss
its hard to lose in those keys as a frontloaded class
rare kite
in single target with season 1 tierset, this talent is stronger than bloodborne
In m+ it's not
vestal smelt
I think for most pug grps MS with SS is gonna be competitive with any of the cle...
I think from what I worked out it was 4 targets without SS and 5 with SS running
teal fossil
that doesnt sound right but i never verified it
so you could be right
honestly you can just look at the tooltip numbers then multiply
vestal smelt
That's what I did yea. I may be mis-remembering but it was something along the lines of basically 4 or more targets it's better to cleave. This was with new tier set stuff in mind iirc
boreal quartz
its hard to lose in those keys as a frontloaded class
Bro i beat some 3.7 ret in AD in a 20 
Unfortunate for them wcyd
vestal smelt
I just almost beat 2 rets in a 22 Fall before. The one that beat me had leggo, I do not
Also I was testing out the cleave MBG build so like apparently not all Rets are pumpers lmao
misty iron
Is beating rets supposed to be hard?
boreal quartz
It's really not
But 3.7 youd think they will pad saurids
I did play cringe bs build tho so no jugg chadding
vestal smelt
Enhance in your group? Did he actually run WFT?
misty iron
But 3.7 youd think they will pad saurids
Maybe just chilling, what else are 20s for
misty iron
The ones I had padded the blight chunks like crazy and I still almost beat them
I pop a blood vessel everytime i see a divine storm run through chunks
boreal quartz
Maybe just chilling, what else are 20s for
I mean absolutely
I was very happy he just did dam and some cc and we got our weekly done
vestal smelt
I pop a blood vessel everytime i see a divine storm run through chunks
Boo!
boreal quartz
10/10 would invite again
misty iron
I get it if its a double dragon pull since you need DS at 2 targets i believe, so the chunks are just in the way
vestal smelt
If the key was timed, it doesn't matter at the end of the day
vestal smelt
I get it if its a double dragon pull since you need DS at 2 targets i believe, s...
Even then, it's better to ST one down rather than assassinate the group by blowing up the chunks
We also had an undergeared healer so like they were really pushing things
I'm just shocked that both pallies had to get LoH/Cacoon'd during last boss and one even died
I had no problem as arms. Didn't even need to go Dstance
final dove
so for season 4 do we just gotta kill fyrak who drops a item to increase the ilvl of the leggo?
or is it bad luck protection again
snow flame
or is it bad luck protection again
Do you have the Lego?
vestal smelt
I've still not got the leggo so at this point I'm thinking of either just using a crafted weapon for S4 or simply just playing another class until TWW comes out
snow flame
Then you will just need 2 of the “dinar” to upgrade it
I forgot the exact name they call the item now but you don’t have to refarm the boss
vestal smelt
You will if you don't yet have it lol
Which means I will have a chance every 3 weeks to get it if I don't get it between now and S4 release
ornate geode
I've still not got the leggo so at this point I'm thinking of either just using ...
TWW?
vestal smelt
The War Within
ornate geode
Oh haha duh
vestal smelt
Better than abbreviating it like WWI lmao
ornate geode
First abbreviation I’ve heard for it tbh
Makes sense
So the legendary is that impactful it will cause you to reroll/take a break?
vestal smelt
It's 10% damage currently
ornate geode
Rip
vestal smelt
But it's more that I am a warrior for keys. I don't bring any utility or any meaningful group cooldowns, so I have to bring damage at least. If I don't have the leggo, I apply to a high key, they inspect me, I get kicked
So I'd rather just reroll and actually get to play the content that I enjoy
celest thunder
But it's more that I am a warrior for keys. I don't bring any utility or any mea...
I have solution for you. Find friends to play with
Few top warriors hit 3.7 without legendary this season anyway
ornate geode
I had the same reservations today. Just decided to make a warrior. This discord talked me down. I don’t run high enough keys anyway
Also arms is looking awesome in s4 from what I have seen
vestal smelt
I have solution for you. Find friends to play with
I have some guildies that I do keys with but they don't invite me to keys above 25s
They have a choice between me and like 20 other ret paladins they are not taking me lmao
fading sage
Which means I will have a chance every 3 weeks to get it if I don't get it betwe...
Why will you only have a chance every 3 weeks? Heroic will still be available after S4, granted the gear won’t be current ilvl if the raid isn’t active but it should still drop the leggo
vestal smelt
Why will you only have a chance every 3 weeks? Heroic will still be available af...
So you can still farm the leggo it it's not fated and upgrade it using dinars?
ornate geode
You can get 3 embers per week if you pay gold for a heroic kill, run lfr and and normal right? So it’s like 100% chance in 4 weeks for Lego
vestal smelt
I don't pay gold for anything in this game apart from repairs
fading sage
You should be able to, I see no reason why not to
ornate geode
Well even without paying gold - just pugging lfr/ normal and then one single heroic kill on week 6 is 100%
fading sage
The BLP is from heroic. It will still be heroic when it’s not the fated raid. Just S3 heroic ilvl
vestal smelt
The 100% thing is only from heroic kills because lower difficulties have lower drop chance and give lower bad luck protection
waxen quail
^
real flint
Well even without paying gold - just pugging lfr/ normal and then one single her...
That's not how it works... 1 heroic kill contains the normal and lfr ember, doing all 3 just for lego is a waste, just do the 1 HC
ornate geode
So three embers per week still though?
waxen quail
The embers vary in how much BLP they give
ornate geode
At 14 ember’s heroic it says it’s 100%
waxen quail
Yeah 14 HEROIC embers
ornate geode
I got the same ember (same name at least?) from both normal/heroic
It’s the same item but different blp?
vestal smelt
But also, trying to get a group together to do a non fated version of a fyrakk kill just for the chance at a leggo is not happening lmao
ornate geode
I got greater embers from both
vestal smelt
So basically, I have 2 chances to get it before S4 or I just reroll
fading sage
It may be the same name but it should have in green text underneath the name what difficulty it comes from
vestal smelt
All I can say is that every time they have this cringe leggo acquisition for a class, it ends up completely dividing the community. I would far prefer if we never got the leggo
ornate geode
Nothing about different tiers of BLP depending on the difficulty
waxen quail
Just go read the wowhead post. It's 15 heroic kills for guarantee.
vestal smelt
Because they tune your class because the leggo exists, and if you don't have it, have fun being a shitload lower than everyone else lol
ornate geode
No it’s 15 embers and then a 100% on a heroic kill
waxen quail
No it's not or everyone would have one weeks ago lmao
teal fossil
There are people who are behind
ornate geode
It was hot fixed a month ago
According to https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/embers-of-fyralath-empowered-february-20/1792751
Same item/same blp per ember
14 lfr and 1 heroic will still be 100% for 15 total embers
waxen quail
This is the datamined info that people have been using for that. Posted after the Blue Post.
ornate geode
And what are you looking at on here? No where does it says the embers obtained from LFR vs normal are any different
waxen quail
Look at the graph a few scrolls down. It gives the %s of LFR vs Normal vs Heroic
ornate geode
That is the % to drop it on that difficultly lol. With the corresponding amount of embers. The embers themselves are not different items lol
ornate geode
lol. It’s not a hack it is literally the mechanic..
Do you see a single reference saying the ember (same item ID btw) is different per difficulty?? No it literally just shows the drop chance when you are on that difficulty. If you did 14 heroics then did a lfr you would have 3.6% chance
waxen quail
I'm not trying to mislead you in any way, but you are not reading that correctly.
ornate geode
Agree to disagree then I guess.. because this is 100% how it functions.
real flint
Agree to disagree then I guess.. because this is 100% how it functions.
It's a different version from different difficulty.
ornate geode
Again going to just agree to disagree. It’s a waste of time arguing over something we can’t prove.
real flint
We even have someone in my guild who was trying to kill it lfr, normal, hc (your way) to the point if that's how it worked, he would have had over 200% chance and stil didn't have it. Just to test that theory
So yes, proof, your wrong
ornate geode
Prior to last month it wasn’t 100% so I am doubting that highly
The hotfix was end of march
But again it’s going in circles here so I will agree to disagree
waxen quail
The hotfix you linked was Feb 20th though
ornate geode
Also you randomly just saying that your friend did it - is not “proof” btw
I have 100 friends who all did it and got it exactly on 14 lfr and one heroic. Proof
See what I mean
Anyway. Not going to hash this out anymore. Hope you all have a goodnight
real flint
Also you randomly just saying that your friend did it - is not “proof” btw
And you stating it works a certain way, despite everything else saying otherwise, is not proof of your own dilusions either so... I guess we're just as far
ornate geode
Despite not a single reference stating it is your way*
I challenge you to find even a single comment/thread/post/datamined file that says there is a difference between the embers
Anyway. Again. Goodnight
real flint
Other than the screenshot you posted, and the one i posted that litterally had the HC text? Meh, your just ignoring facts anyway, so why bother
robust ridge
What a wild chat
halcyon breach
That's a long discussion for just saying kill on highest then loot when you get it
vestal smelt
Take this to prove that legendary systems are NOT what players want. It always come down to this cringe bac and forth because of what is essentially blizzards inability to understand what players find fun
halcyon breach
I dont think this is much of Blizzards fault, and more so people wanting to argue for the sake of argument
vestal smelt
I remember the same melt downs happening with the evoker legendary. It's just poor implementation
halcyon breach
They've already explained, kill on highest possible difficulty with no need for lower difficulties after and added difficulty tags to the embers you loot
vestal smelt
They keep trying to make items feel "epic" or "legendary" when in reality if there was a green item that simmed higher than the leggo, everyone would be using that. The items and the game isn't the same as it was when an items rarity mattered at all
halcyon breach
The datamining is from the community with data showing when you'll be expected to loot it based on what you've done
halcyon breach
Take this to prove that legendary systems are NOT what players want. It always c...
I've seen plenty of both sides to wanting a legendary, so you can't win whichever way you go about it. What can be done however, is the implementation of a legendary
halcyon breach
They keep trying to make items feel "epic" or "legendary" when in reality if the...
And of course, every legendary gets banked at some point just like all of the ones prior to this one
Its just how a game with a gear progression works, unless they specifically add mechanics to keep legendaries relevant
vestal smelt
I've seen plenty of both sides to wanting a legendary, so you can't win whicheve...
I think the issue for me is that either they have a legendary that everyone gets easily (which doesn't make it very legendary and they have to tune the class around having it) or you have a legendary so rare that 1 in 100000 players loot it and they become legendary for having one
Either way both situations have their downsides, I jsut don't like the first version where we get mandatory tuning because they expect everyone to have it
raven ivy
@halcyon breach boost me in raid so I can get my leggo
halcyon breach
@raven ivy wants it now that big brother Mud looted it I see you
raven ivy
I want to be a big boy!
halcyon breach
Sorry I'm preserving my strength and energy for the coming raid tonight where I have to be a terror for the rest of my raid
vestal smelt
This is my issue with the leggo system atm. Most leggo users were garbage tier and now later into the expac they're all near the top. If I have to be made to feel like shit for half a tier in order to feel above average the latter half then I would rather not have the leggo and be middle of the pack the entire tier
ornate geode
I am man enough to admit I was wrong. Blue post confirms. My mistake.. awkward
raven ivy
This is my issue with the leggo system atm. Most leggo users were garbage tier a...
Yeah this has been a thing forever lmao
vestal smelt
Yeah this has been a thing forever lmao
Hence me saying that if they keep doing this leggo system, I would rather pray the class I play doesn't have one
real flint
I am man enough to admit I was wrong. Blue post confirms. My mistake.. awkward
And sorry I came on a bit stong. But you know, the internet and all that 😅
smoky kayak
I am man enough to admit I was wrong. Blue post confirms. My mistake.. awkward
at least you're big enough to admit it 
ornate geode
And sorry I came on a bit stong. But you know, the internet and all that 😅
All good all good
Now I am sad I will be 10% less dps on average for much longer :/
steep osprey
at least you're big enough to admit it <a:pepeClap:408891284971978753>
Based
ornate geode
So I'd rather just reroll and actually get to play the content that I enjoy
I understand now :p let’s go make destro locks
waxen quail
Wasn't tryna steer you wrong 🙂
vestal smelt
I understand now :p let’s go make destro locks
LMAO
Literally looking up how viable it is to play FDK with 2 x 1h breath for keys lmao
steep osprey
I understand now :p let’s go make destro locks
Real
ornate geode
Honestly I will probably end up back on the outlaw rogue for another season and just do my heroic per week on the warrior
vestal smelt
Like I'm 100% coming back to warrior for next expac. There are a lot of hero talents that sound really cool but I can't sit through another season of m+ getting kicked from keys because I don't have the orange stick
waxen quail
I think there will probably be a lot of Fyrakk groups in S4 since the leggo is viable (same with Sarkareth kills). A good way to help is get an alt with the lockout and keep it until it drops.
slow saddle
This is my issue with the leggo system atm. Most leggo users were garbage tier a...
Its i mean this is not so interesting m8
its coz fyrakk
so if u wanna look at boss dmg, gotta look per a boss
vestal smelt
so if u wanna look at boss dmg, gotta look per a boss
That's splitting hairs. You could say the same for every spec, my point was that we were tuned low because the legendary was determined to be a mandatory upgrade
slow saddle
i mean, but even after Leggo
we were Mid tier
until we got to the bosses that align with out cds
^_^
aka fyrakk
proud plover
yeah thats after leggo buffs
fresh spire
This is my issue with the leggo system atm. Most leggo users were garbage tier a...
Only took most of then buffs to spec and 3 buffs to axe
Arms would still be last if it didn't get its buff
slow saddle
^_^ we did get a lot of buffs trhough the season
vestal smelt
Correct
The point I was making is that blizzard actively looked to undertune us based on the the leggo and then realised (in pure blizzard fashion) that they fkd up and undertuned us a bit too much and buffed all the leggo classes again
waxen quail
And buffed the Leggo as well lol. Making it hasted alone was worth.
slow saddle
@fresh spire my brain chose to forget the pala buffs ngl
Also Lookin from UH
are sad
vestal smelt
I remember I followed a guy who made YT vids for FDK and he basically got so demoralised because Frost was tuned so poorly and he was like copium hard for leggo damage to carry, adn then it didn't lol
vestal smelt
i mean Frost dk 2h obli
It's so good IF the tank stands still for you to blast. And then you have the breath build which is also good IF the tank chain pulls for you to keep breath rolling. That spec needs god for sure
vestal smelt
Oh yea frost is better than UH in keys that's for sure
You either have giga ST if Army has lined up well with bosses and no damage on the next pull, or you have giga damage on pulls where the tank pulls algethar academy and then nothing for the boss
vestal smelt
Paladin was already killing it in M+. It was just behind in raid. The buffs to expurg for st inadvertantly also buffed their aoe damage and they become what they are today
hazy flower
it wasnt killing it in m+
it wasnt poo poo but there were much better specs
paladins biggest issue usually is their st but they've received so many buffs that even with losing ~ 30% st in full aoe fortified build they still had a decent one because they were just so overbuffed
before those buffs their st was too bad
naive breach
boreal quartz
robust ridge
sharp dust
sharp wyvern
olive nest
steep osprey
exotic kestrel
im just happy we get to cleave again 
proud plover
no cleave st!
exotic kestrel
u cant stop me
daring heron
boreal quartz
?
halcyon breach
Are you a DD enjoyer?
Nop and I never will be. Started LA into a self cook Dual Strike
And the self cook rn still has things I need to fix
median scroll
I started with Wave of Convinction but pivotted to Explosive Arrow Elementalist its so much better
halcyon breach
I'm so sorry for you, playing EA
median scroll
idk its not as bad as people say
halcyon breach
I've played it 3 times, it's really not fun imo
median scroll
I never played it first time
totems are bit stinky but its very tanky and very strong
exotic kestrel
whats DD
median scroll
Detonate Dead
exotic kestrel
oh
halcyon breach
It's Path of Exile talk
median scroll
Well everythings better than Wave of Conviction I felt like I was as durable as wet paper
I had 45seconds battle with rare mobs that are ignite resistant
on t14's
are you going for lvl 100?
halcyon breach
Naurh I usually sit around 94-96 since I lose interest in builds too quick to grind 100
median scroll
yeh thats a mood. I binged 91 and ended it yesterday
now my upgrades are atleast one 1div. and i havent got lucky with drops
verbal ravine
can the leggo drop from the weekly chest? just came back and have no clue how it works
proud plover
can the leggo drop from the weekly chest? just came back and have no clue how it...
no
wind flicker
can the leggo drop from the weekly chest? just came back and have no clue how it...
It drops from Fyrakk, every time you kill it you will build up bad luck protection increasing the droprate for the next time. Depending on the difficulty that means that it will be 100% at 15 kills on HC and 8 on mythic i believe
Normal mode is a lot of kills, not sure about that one
It will drop in the form of a quest item as personal loot. And on completing the quest you will get the legendary
verbal ravine
thx. im just going to keep killing it on hc
sacred zodiac
Nop and I never will be. Started LA into a self cook Dual Strike
you will play DD
hollow eagle
does anyone else still wish the banner from SL was a thing? lol
gaunt owl
No
median scroll
I want the Nightfae ability back. Run in press ability get aggro die. 
exotic kestrel
i still do that 
strange perch
Hey can anyone link me tmy's Google doc with Sims for season 4?
median scroll
i still do that <:clowning:745703559202603121>
@boreal quartz also does that
exotic kestrel
its fun, it realy sets the tone for the entire run. like DHT first pull
misty iron
Really makes it better if you die right after avatar press
mint axle
S4 arms v fury whos gonna win arms looks pretty good imo
olive nest
outer holly
Fury is still gonna be better at not dying because you're bad at dodging
So it's a tough call personally
olive nest
What’s a fury?
outer holly
More like BrewMS
olive nest
XD
It’s a goofy screen name for a warrior but I’ve had it for years so I just stick with it
exotic kestrel
Arms being good(for now) prolly the main reason il play fated ngl
outer holly
I came up with a name in 2007 and I'm sticking to it!
olive nest
Would be better if it included a new mini raid instead of repeating but is what it is
outer holly
Me and my legion of 20 alts all being named 'noun'bandit
exotic kestrel
for some reason all my homies detest the new s4 dungeon pool
olive nest
I started comprehending WoW in MoP and played Brewmaster monk
Hence the screen name lol
Didn’t start maining Warrior until WoD
And it’s “BrewJ” because teenage me thought the play on words was funny
exotic kestrel
for some reason, im a nerd that feels like my MMO/rpg characters should have proper names
i cannot do "joke" names
outer holly
God thinking back mine was such a dumb line of thought. I read a calendar I got from a chinese restaurant that said my elemental birth month was air. So I was like whats a cool air related name? Pirate are cool. AirPirate was already taken so I was like whats something like a pirate? Bandits! Whats something that goes through the air? Radio waves.
And so Radiobandit was born.
outer holly
And then everyone thought I named myself after that slow kid from the football movie 😦
naive sage
olive nest
I feel like switching 15 years later would be weird
Probably just ignore my raid leader
“YokedArmsGamer” Rally!!
frigid lava
Oh it's maintenance day
olive nest
Me execute spamming instead
frigid lava
jugg jugg
outer holly
Dude I realm transferred for a guild back in like... legion? Something like that. Then a bug forced me to namechange because it was already taken (by my own character) and I just straight up gave up the character
olive nest
zealous pivot
i guess its looking like arms next season?
olive nest
Damn!
olive nest
i guess its looking like arms next season?
It’s arms every season
frigid lava
Is it going to be season 1 gear?
frigid lava
yea
exotic kestrel
we blasting, boys
outer holly
I'm curious if S4 mogs are gonna be a re-imagining of S2 or it's just gonna be a recolour
zealous pivot
it is, but its ass ST
mint axle
S3 arms was super fun i played it with a big ass smile on my face
outer holly
S2 fury was the low point this xpac
frigid lava
but it was fun.
mint axle
Really s2 fury
frigid lava
It might be actually pretty good with all these high secondary stats
zealous pivot
ravager is cool
outer holly
I noped out of S2 fury after like a week, went full arms
zealous pivot
but on ptr its not doing well
frigid lava
imagine 100% reckless uptime
mint axle
I played prot because fury s2 was sobbad
frigid lava
I started playing arms because i don't like s3 fury.
mint axle
Same
outer holly
funny, I hated S2 and love S3
zealous pivot
only thing thats throwing me off is having to time WW since it wont have a cd anymore
got spoiled using on cd
mint axle
I dont know fury seems to be something fundamental
rare kite
I played prot because fury s2 was sobbad
fury s2 owned so hard in m+
mint axle
I tried it felt so bad maybe im weird like that
zealous pivot
idk i could just be bad but prio damage just isnt there
rare kite
before the godcomp fury was so close to meta
olive nest
funny, I hated S2 and love S3
I’m with this take yeah
S2 fury only won because people wanted the M+ tier set
olive nest
I’m not really bothered either way I only play fury when I have to for raid otherwise arms owns
zealous pivot
from what ive seen arms is looking like its up at the top and fury is looking like bottom of the barrel
rare kite
outer holly
is that paymoneywubby?
hexed saddle
yeah
brisk pelican
from what ive seen arms is looking like its up at the top and fury is looking li...
I hit a 445k sim for S4 last night. I’m ready
warm bronze
Not having a good CC for incorp weeks feels really sucky
outer holly
It do suck when you're in a group with 3 people who can deal with an affix and it still goes off 7 times in 15 minutes
snow flame
Alright where’s the BiS list for TWW!!?
outer holly
Have you checked DN?
gaunt owl
there wont be BIS list for TWW
as blizzard doesnt like the idea of gearing anymore
they scrapping everything
no need to sim anymore
boreal quartz
It do suck when you're in a group with 3 people who can deal with an affix and i...
Not it, but those players suck
mighty prawn
About sim, how close does actual dps get to the sim?
boreal quartz
About sim, how close does actual dps get to the sim?
I sim 253 but ive done 271 on a st boss (you can out-highroll your sim/though killtime will also help here)
boreal quartz
Rip
mighty prawn
Tomorrow for me
mighty prawn
😅
frigid lava
Picking up the chest... I have socket in the helm.
boreal quartz
Picking up the chest... I have socket in the helm.
Still hoping for augury or just doing HC for fun?
frigid lava
HC for leggo and augury
boreal quartz
Cuz id be soooo over it at this point
frigid lava
It's like 7th week for me in this season.
gaunt owl
keep doing those HC
its only gonna get easier in fated anyway
as the first 2 week wont be tuned up boss
boreal quartz
It's like 7th week for me in this season.
Picked a good time to start lol
smoky kayak
Slayer hero spec analysis
https://www.wowhead.com/news/arms-and-fury-warrior-review-of-slayer-hero-talents-execute-spin-to-win-338539
TL;DR:
- focuses on Bladestorm & Execute, while most hero specs focus only one ability
- all the fun of signet without any of the rotational interruption
- suggests changes to Anger Management or else Slayer might spend more time channeling than Colossus!
- Hurricane also probably changed or gone
- fantastic personal utility/mobility benefits
- spin to win, baby!
daring heron
gaunt owl
the circus is growing
daring heron
i am the circus
snow flame
smoky kayak
petition to rename Stormforged -> Circus Performers
snow flame
Slayer pov
rare kite
is that a little carlo reference at the end?
gaunt owl
petition to rename Stormforged -> Circus Performers
i agree
gaunt owl
I still stand by the fact that Slayer is a shit name
sharp wyvern
executioner would have been better
gaunt owl
Juggernaut ?
sharp wyvern
all in on execute
sharp wyvern
Juggernaut ?
thats collossus
gaunt owl
do big dmg
sharp wyvern
cause they used the poe whirlwind slayer as an example
i think they ran out of ideas after mountain thane and collossus
gaunt owl
you have juggernaut cyclone too !
gaunt owl
its ok we gonna make Demolish greater !
rare kite
uhh we have a very different defintion of sick
gaunt owl
no i dont want the crit rng to be a deciding factor of did you do dmg or not ?
its absolutly cursed
sharp wyvern
i like spear its like a melee rune of power
halcyon breach
Did you get this lineup of pot + ToM + Ebon Might during your Fatality proc?
halcyon breach
i like spear its like a melee rune of power
And where is Rune of Power now
sharp wyvern
its gone cause mages bad
gaunt owl
Did you get this lineup of pot + ToM + Ebon Might during your Fatality proc? <:c...
maybe thats why they didnt buff Fatality this tier
to let it slowly fade out of existence
gaunt owl
Smoldy boy naturally line up
lone imp
rune of power you didn't even have to stand in lol and didn't have to hit mobs with it or stay in melee range. Spear is just plain worse
gaunt owl
so its an easy dmg amp
sharp wyvern
Smoldy boy naturally line up
depends on your group
smoky kayak
cant believe warhammer slayers werent mentioned....
I actually thought about it, but didn't wanna bloat the article any further (plus the PoE reference was a real easy pitch to hit)
speaking of, Thrones of Decay lets gooooooo
frigid lava
is there any way to track your ember % toward leggo?
smoky kayak
not the greaters, just count how many kills you've had since week 2
frigid lava
what are percentage per?
rare kite
iirc it's guaranteed at 15th kill which would then mean each is about 6.66%
frigid lava
icic ... im probably close to 50%?
gaunt owl
not even
frigid lava
probably 30~40% at least
gaunt owl
you can find the math in a wowhead news
frigid lava
i see
frigid lava
ty
hybrid bolt
cursive sun
took me two kills
viral hill
Buy a lotto ticket
frigid lava
someone from oregon got 1.3B or something yesterday
cinder ocean
How does thunder clap work above 5 target? Is rend capped at 5? If not, is Rend applied to the nearest 5 or does it smart target?
rare kite
rend is not capped at 5
i am unsure exactly how tc targets, it seems to somewhat smart target but sometimes hits the same target
cinder ocean
Good to know, thanks! I haven’t been putting much thought into thunder clap past the first one on pull
frigid lava
normal cleared... now to HC for leggo!
gaunt owl
i am unsure exactly how tc targets, it seems to somewhat smart target but someti...
its smartly not working as intended
hazy flower
the circus is growing
I tricked you
olive nest
How do you do
hazy flower
warped plume
latent moss
charge bladestorm release spirit
wintry scroll
charge bladestorm release spirit
more like charge op op op op op op op
i forgot rend
shadow ibex
firelands was great for that shit
and that was before they removed all resources on boss pull so you could sit in lava in zerker stance
random ridge
PogU
ornate eagle
i didnt do a single push key
quaint otter
gaunt owl
imagining pushing
quaint otter
demon pfp change it
U have clown pfp bruh
quaint otter
die sb die
So rude