arms

[gaunt owl]

Fury will use it with Mountain Thane anyway

[sharp wyvern]

if they switch shockwave and thunderclap and leave the 2 cap nodes for TC it would actually make more sense

cause then you have 4 dps things as the last 4

[olive nest]

If theirs a chance I might not have to play TC becuase its a capstone im all for it

[gaunt owl]

they probably gonna reduce it to 3

imagine it's TC with 350% dmg amp and garantee crit

[sharp wyvern]

exactly

but at the same time thats the power it should have as a capstone

since your probably saying goodbye to thunderous roar

[gaunt owl]

yep it couldnt compete

[latent moss]

look at mage

tree

rogue tree

etc

its possible

[gaunt owl]

even Ret got a nice rework on their tree too

before it was a mess

[sharp wyvern]

mage capstones seem like a mess you have 2 utilities at the side and a dps one in the middle

[gaunt owl]

we were just unlucky to be the first class to have a "rework" on the tree

[sharp wyvern]

but ret has the same problem like arms had in S1

no cleave or passive aoe

[gaunt owl]

but they do the most dmg in each scenario 😄

its fine to not have flexibility

having strong ST without much AOE

or strong AOE without much ST

if you dont have that

you end up with cookie cutter build with no choice

Arms is probably the only spec with that much choice for m+ talent as an example

[latent moss]

fury

spriest

both simming like shit

cause their st is their aoe

so u need to balance the aoe by tuning down the st

ret is fine

sure there is very little flexibility but at least u do big dam once u talent into it

[gaunt owl]

thats why fury down bad

[latent moss]

arms suffers from not being able to take tom and blunt instruments

fury will always be down bad

as long as cleaving is this strong

the reason it wasnt this season

[gaunt owl]

its ok TOM will die

[latent moss]

is because tierset doesnt cleave

[gaunt owl]

i send in the assassin

[latent moss]

i hope

[gaunt owl]

funny thing is

first TOM iteration in the tree was 5%

not 1%

[latent moss]

[gaunt owl]

so imagine how hard they would have needed to keep us in check

because a 5% instead of 1% we would reach some 200% easily

[latent moss]

u would run tom in all scenarios and suffer

from brain aneurysm

[gaunt owl]

spiteful serenity could have its chance

[latent moss]

from playing tom in keys

prob not

such a shit talent its crazy

what would fix it

is

increasing the reck u get

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mnWDK11sq5MYkDDX4Cz5Ww

[latent moss]

by 200%

or w/e

[gaunt owl]

warlord torment need to die

[latent moss]

i got 444

[gaunt owl]

i hate it

[latent moss]

on his set

will send the cook later today or tomorrow

50% bsl

[gaunt owl]

50% is doabl

[latent moss]

i love fatality

ye its not unrealistic

very doable with ip spam

[gaunt owl]

and good healer

if you got a dpriest that is rocking maybe too

[halcyon breach]

Should've shared this sim with the world

[latent moss]

ye instead of the 443

[gaunt owl]

the 443 is fake

[latent moss]

true

[gaunt owl]

i inflated the secondaries actually

[latent moss]

talent bugged

[gaunt owl]

they just need to buff the other

[latent moss]

it uses game deficit

[gaunt owl]

not nerf us

[latent moss]

check him game

not normal

game deficit

[gaunt owl]

wanna see the gains i did live ?

[latent moss]

with leggo?

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bgwPbw9sqkZGSsCsRgK5Rn

BIG

[latent moss]

wtf

game deficit

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pDnbS5pgV2XQU2tCjLZAgc with PI we are on par with Ret !

[halcyon breach]

Think my peak is only 252.8k or something

But I'm a nelf so

gg

[latent moss]

augury and

u are 256

[gaunt owl]

use my gear and APL

everything is 0% upgrade

its hard stuck in the secondaries

[latent moss]

y rings are

@gaunt owl i can push 255.5 as tauren with myth signet and myth augury

human maybe 256

[halcyon breach]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jfYEeaXoZ56UvbsTZjfwTz pretty sure if I really wanted to min/max I could get another few hundred

But like

So much effort

For no practical gain..

[latent moss]

def could

im 252500 without myth signet

[boreal quartz]

aquire a real trinket

[halcyon breach]

yeah let me get back to you on that one

[latent moss]

might of the ocean signet 252.5k

xdd

moto bis trinket

xdd

[gaunt owl]

on use trinket should be more rewarding

Ashes of The Embersoul is so mighty fine but the haste loss just isnt worth it

[latent moss]

moto is secretly good

cause of tom

also feels good

especially with pips

483 pips tho

[latent moss]

or make it like opc

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/paNyCsSD9U66zPj4F1s4KV

[latent moss]

from sl dos

[gaunt owl]

i loved OPC

[latent moss]

mainstat crit on use

fun as fuck

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kqTsdera3WfUi3AhVd7Brk the problem with gearing now

[latent moss]

get pips and keep simming until u grt 256

[gaunt owl]

is that every 2nd stats are equal

[latent moss]

this is the most arms thing ive ever seen

all stats the same

(5 billion haste)

[latent moss]

how is sd cancel simming

[gaunt owl]

.2% ahead

[latent moss]

should be an increase in exe with a lot of rage and cs rolling

[gaunt owl]

dont do it

[latent moss]

y

why not

[gaunt owl]

its degen

[latent moss]

arms is degen

spec makes no sense

[halcyon breach]

Wdym I'll for sure add another keybind just for when I reach execute to get .2% more damage

[latent moss]

4% bigger tom = bigger numbers in overlap

[latent moss]

we are back to ms on cd exe spam right

in cs windows

[gaunt owl]

yep normal gameplay

as intended

[latent moss]

good

[gaunt owl]

it probably would have stayed Execute spam if they didnt buff MS dmg with 2p

[latent moss]

y

i was fucking around on the ptr

[gaunt owl]

thats the problem MS OP and Execute do the same dmg without any buff

[latent moss]

i love how ms can do between 200 and 800k

[gaunt owl]

but Execute spend 10 more rage

make MS spend 10 more rage

buff it by 25% dmg

EASY !

[latent moss]

make ms spend 30 to 50

and scale its damage

if they want this high rage fast spending gameplay

[gaunt owl]

if we have more than one ability that do a variable amount of rage spend its gonna be cursed

we dont even send Execute below 40

[latent moss]

i do

[timber lynx]

ms either does 100k or 700k

i love it

[strange perch]

50% BSL sus.

[latent moss]

50 is doable

[gaunt owl]

it is realist

[latent moss]

i hate arms rage rn

[gaunt owl]

BIS trinket with all buff

[latent moss]

trampoline ass

resource

goes from 130 to 0 in 4 globals

[gaunt owl]

1 crit swing during Reckless buff

and you are full

[latent moss]

and 3 exe and u are empty

[latent moss]

fucking arms

[gaunt owl]

we lost the masterful tactician gameplay from SL

[latent moss]

i loved 9.1 arms

it was so fun to me

[gaunt owl]

we swing so fast anyway

[latent moss]

mortal strike doing 4x more than ur current dps

[strange perch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vd11gjf6UTaGJH9AuQ3d3M 50% bsl goes hard

[gaunt owl]

he did the highroll

[strange perch]

no....

m a y b e...

[latent moss]

is charge leggo better than charge rend leggo

i always charge rend leggo idk

prob irrelevant

[gaunt owl]

absolutly irrelevant

[latent moss]

and then just troar ava cs ms ww etc

[gaunt owl]

watch Taistelumage

[latent moss]

taiste massive

[gaunt owl]

he just Troar Rend before sending lego

[latent moss]

xd

i love thunderous words

very funny talent

dont even press troar and its more value than spear + elysian might

[timber lynx]

Very well balanced

[gaunt owl]

dont try to check 😄

[latent moss]

wait is it actually

i tried spear for fun one week on gnarlroot and it was bad

like

really really bad

[latent moss]

they should've made fatality dmg a guaranteed crit and reduced its base damage

spiteful serenity pi lust embersoul spear

150% tom

spear fatality

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gLu5Ej26b6BSn276Q7kqB1

spear has the big problem of being unreliable

if you do get the big crit

it jumps far ahead

[latent moss]

they should give arms a guaranteed crit on ms mechanic

[strange perch]

spear on smolderon and pray?

[boreal quartz]

tmy tried it

it fuckin sucks

[strange perch]

sadge

[latent moss]

it sucks hard

[gaunt owl]

i made him do it

[latent moss]

u need insane luck to get even close

[gaunt owl]

but if you crit all your GCD during spear

its golden

you can compare the median in sim

never bothered

[latent moss]

does it work with augury

[gaunt owl]

shouldnt

[latent moss]

is it possible to check high roll iterations

[gaunt owl]

spear

Troar

never checked that one before

[halcyon breach]

Yeah go to HTML report then look in the above graph and you can see the max possible iteration

Should also be a line at the top showing the max

nvm it just shows the range

[latent moss]

so its always worse

spear

[halcyon breach]

Yeah

[latent moss]

[halcyon breach]

Thankfully as well

[latent moss]

true

[sage badge]

New stormforged members helping the community

[halcyon breach]

Wish I could reach the same levels as DesWin

[quaint otter]

Just get 60% crit and reck ez clap

[sacred zodiac]

banezi became less helfpful and nice since he turned yellow

[halcyon breach]

Spongie became more abusive and yells at me more often since I turned yellow

[quaint otter]

[astral yarrow]

Yellow is the issue

Abolish yellow

[boreal quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pFjDT6mq8WRyZrJWJiGFdd @halcyon breachi just need to vault the ring and augurus

[frigid lava]

6th attempt at +23 fall today

tanks think healer can save us from chain pulls (before 2nd boss)

[halcyon breach]

I'll one slot Augury on wednesday

And be done

[boreal quartz]

ill 3 slot it

[halcyon breach]

I would say I believe in both of us

but it took me 15 weeks to get my HC augury

[boreal quartz]

🙏

we both onebang it

as revenge on the hc one

[sacred zodiac]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711337973274378270/1222549568470777876/SPONGIEWHY.gif

[boreal quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711337973274378270/1222549568470777876/SPONGIEWHY.gif

[dull siren]

256

is the new poggers

phil

get with the times of milking

[boreal quartz]

this is me coping it even comes in vault

i dont need bsl cope yet

[quasi torrent]

🌌

[hazy flower]

stop simming this high

ty

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pd9iDHfk1VfWygLkFmebvH

[boreal quartz]

I only sim 253 normally

[hazy flower]

u mean with vers phial?

[boreal quartz]

Other sim added 1 item or two

[hazy flower]

ah

[boreal quartz]

Crit phial on prog sir

Or maybe 4 items

Just look at it

[hazy flower]

yeah I mean I'm not using it

lmao

[boreal quartz]

U should

[hazy flower]

I sim like 249,5

[boreal quartz]

Doesnt do shit if u have the alchi points

[hazy flower]

I wanted to

I dont have alchi

[boreal quartz]

L

[hazy flower]

time to collect some logs now

that I'm free

from fire bird

[olive nest]

I use crit with alch talents on fyrakk prog aswell

never notice it

do the alch swap

takes like an hour

[boreal quartz]

Watch ur guild never reclear

[hazy flower]

it doesnt take an hour it takes less

[olive nest]

can fly around and loot all the 3x points items

[hazy flower]

and

[boreal quartz]

Alchi 90 mins flasks

Are so good

[olive nest]

real

[latent moss]

alchi based

[hazy flower]

I'm not gonna swap because I spent too much

for jc/bs

I'll swap for tww

[boreal quartz]

Not even engi

Brotherman

[hazy flower]

I have those so I can recraft my own shit perma

[boreal quartz]

What the fuck are u doing dam

[hazy flower]

I'll get jc/bs on alt

[latent moss]

i had like 2837372 dragon shards of knowledge

[hazy flower]

I mean just mettle

[latent moss]

was instant for me

[hazy flower]

u can buy like 30 points

with mettle

from the vnedor

[boreal quartz]

I sharded decayologoy in 5 mins

[latent moss]

i have 984929282i2881 mettle as well

[boreal quartz]

No anything done

[olive nest]

6496196864165186943216546165156465165 Dragon knowledge 🙂

great currency

much value

[latent moss]

uhm thats impossible 🤓

[hazy flower]

ye

I have maxed decay on priest dh and maybe on smth else

[hexed parrot]

in s4 u will play with cleave in aoe szenarios because of S1 tset boni?

[halcyon breach]

Yes

[teal fossil]

likely the case

@halcyon breach no way you got yellow name after leaving the discord for like 6 months

[halcyon breach]

Xan got it after not playing for an entire expac

[teal fossil]

skill issue

[quasi torrent]

@halcyon breach alo

[hexed saddle]

[halcyon breach]

@quasi torrent alo

[daring heron]

[halcyon breach]

dh pov'ing rn

[gaunt owl]

Xan got blue while doing nothing

coincidence ?

[halcyon breach]

nepotism..

[quasi torrent]

Link conspiracy copy pasta

@dull siren has it surely

[dull siren]

wat

i dont

[quasi torrent]

???

@hexed saddle

[hexed saddle]

what copy pasta

i dont save those

[quasi torrent]

God

[hexed saddle]

surely spoingus has it

hes a freak

[quasi torrent]

im too inebriated too figure it out

[gaunt owl]

spongus is the copy pasta master

[hexed saddle]

has a notepad for them

[quasi torrent]

@sacred zodiac

@dawn stag

Skyhold nepotism copy pasta

[quasi torrent]

this is why i left tortil

(real=

[gaunt owl]

Spongie copy pasta even while raiding ?

this guy is unstoppable

[quasi torrent]

He is on poe

[gaunt owl]

i didnt even finish leveling

[quasi torrent]

i dont play boomer game

only retail and sod

(both boomer)

[hexed parrot]

is there any execute rotation like EXE - EXE - OP - MS or pressing execute so often as i can?

[gaunt owl]

its that or EXE EXE EXE MS

[sacred zodiac]

sec

i acc cant find it

[quasi torrent]

WTF

[sacred zodiac]

i know how to find it

it uses xantage

critcake deserve the yellow name because of his domiance as a warrior and modesty

deswind got yellow name because some connections here and he pushes some high keys from time to time but if you want my personal opinion he doesnt deserve it as he is kinda arrogant and it this was taken by multiple people

Garms was active before he got the yellow name after that he barely helps anyone these days

Jakey is the mastermind in this discord and is believed to be the leader here , some info says he is the real mod of this discord he has deep connection with archimonde and the 3 valkyres

Sense is barely active these days , he got the yellow tag because he is related to one of the mods here .

Silmarliern is helpful and funky from time to time .

Xantage seems a good new guy i don't know much

is this the one?

[gaunt owl]

really a lore master

[quasi torrent]

this is the one

jakey is the mastermind in this discord and is believed to be the leader here , some info says he is the real mod of this discord he has deep connection with archimonde and the 3 valkyres

[teal fossil]

wait whos funky

[quasi torrent]

funky kitty reference?????

[gaunt owl]

you need to add Banezi in this copy pasta

[teal fossil]

he need to come back man

what if xan mod abused and unbanned the goat

[quasi torrent]

Players that abuse overtuned classes are not gaining score fairly (where applicable). Level the playing field. 20/22/25/29. You're not challenging yourself by playing broken classes in higher keys. In need of a more robust representation of other classes.

[hazy flower]

be mage main

[latent moss]

where is ronin

[teal fossil]

idk

he keeps getting banned

xan needs to secretly unban him

thats what i keep saying

this discord has been dead lately

the GOATs are no longer here

[latent moss]

i agree

[quasi torrent]

@roidstack

[latent moss]

@roidstack

[teal fossil]

has candarice been here

[halcyon breach]

he ripped one message 2 months ago in fury

[quasi torrent]

@halcyon breach come voice :3

[astral yarrow]

:3

[quasi torrent]

i will meow

[halcyon breach]

Nya :3

[astral yarrow]

you get pic of gajeel sticker

[halcyon breach]

Very soon™️

[latent moss]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077655483344764978/1226274302102605935/togif-1-1.gif

[hexed saddle]

[gaunt owl]

look at him

[halcyon breach]

[gaunt owl]

already abusing his blue privilege

[latent moss]

mod abuse

[gaunt owl]

fucking cluegi

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1179833348244385943.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

oh right

this still works

[quasi torrent]

@ocean pond :3

[gaunt owl]

outplayed

[quasi torrent]

thatll always work unless embeds are disabled

[halcyon breach]

[gaunt owl]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1061777871376490558.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

its bigger too

my power is growing

[quasi torrent]

ye embed is broken

[daring flicker]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711337973274378270/1222549568470777876/SPONGIEWHY.gif

[sacred zodiac]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711337973274378270/1222549568470777876/SPONGIEWHY.gif

[daring heron]

xantage is a good new guy

[latent moss]

how is xantage blue already

he is new

[hexed saddle]

[latent moss]

mod abuse

again

(dont ban me)

[hexed saddle]

[daring heron]

good new blue guy maybe

[latent moss]

@gaunt owl there might be a funny way

to reachj 445k

[daring heron]

wtf reactions?

[hexed saddle]

yeah u guys can do that now

[gaunt owl]

i already has one dont worry

[latent moss]

wtf is oce

• icon

disgusting

[gaunt owl]

its ok they gonna nerf that

[grand idol]

They already did didnt they

[gaunt owl]

not nearly enough

and icon is overbudget

[latent moss]

nowhere near enough

icon needs to lose like

30% stats

if not more

[gaunt owl]

i knew icon was overbudget since forever

[latent moss]

and its stil gonna be insane

:xdd

[gaunt owl]

thats why it was so juicy when going into S2 for prog

[latent moss]

421 icon wasnt easy to replace

at all

[latent moss]

y

[gaunt owl]

as long as you had your healer and tank keeping it

it was nice

[latent moss]

which u did

for the most part

on prog at least

[gaunt owl]

it basically has double the 2nd stats of OCE

imagine

[latent moss]

whats the 445 cook

oce + some random apl shit

or

[gaunt owl]

same amount of secondaries as Kazzara trinket

and this one is on a proc

i corrected a tiny mistake in my lego cook

it gained something like 500

[rare kite]

Did you fix the leggo in cs?

[gaunt owl]

thats why we can reach 256k right now

[gaunt owl]

yes

[rare kite]

Nice

[latent moss]

unironically that

the fact that its 500 dps

and it happens

every 3rd iteration is crazy

random number idk how often it happens but ive checked a few and it didnt happen and in some it happened

[gaunt owl]

what i should do sometimes is maybe go ingame use Hekili

and see what it suggests to push

[latent moss]

just rng with sudden death

[gaunt owl]

i would catch those freaky line that misbehave or dont do what i wanted

[latent moss]

it will refuse to run

highly illegal apl

wont work

[gaunt owl]

i wanted to install hekili tonight for raid and see what would happen

but i forgor

[latent moss]

:xdd:

[gaunt owl]

why are emote bigger now

it do look bigger no ?

i gained new knowledge and how to do better lines too since the last time i really dove first time into it

you can do some really cursed stuff

that wont be useful in practice

[latent moss]

nah

for me it looks the same

[gaunt owl]

my eyes are fucked then

[latent moss]

[latent moss]

the curse of fatality continues

[latent moss]

guys

im afraid we are getting gutted

how much does deva sim for

[quasi torrent]

69 mil

[latent moss]

[reef mauve]

Imagine simming dev when Aug exists

[latent moss]

fug aug

fug auk

[teal fossil]

4 hour droptimizers

[latent moss]

fuk aug

[olive nest]

Dev is for cool kids only

[halcyon haven]

Both are soylizards

[rare kite]

We'll be fine(hopefully)

[magic canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/burger-eating-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-gif-13425073513713719938

[latent moss]

there are many secrets

[rare kite]

The 1 bladestorm build

[frigid mauve]

Hey guys so I'm at 90K DPS and i need to be at like 100k-120k I'm 461 Gear Score.

Someone that knows more then me please PM me an help me i'd really appriciate it. I want to be Viable with my Arms for Fyrrak Mythic Raid

[opal folio]

Mythic Fyrakk at 461?

I applaud the ambition but I don’t think that’s workable

[frigid mauve]

Fuk

Thank you for your honesty

[opal folio]

People progging it now are like 487-489

[frigid mauve]

i've been trynna squeeze every bit of DMG

[opal folio]

That’s a massive multi tier gulf

[frigid mauve]

with Builds and stuff

[opal folio]

If you’re already slotted in then you should really consider fury just to be able to survive

[halcyon haven]

holy fuck

[frigid mauve]

I'm returning player an i started like 3 weeks ago i only have 3 pieces of good 476-480 Gear cuz im running +14 Mythics with friends but its so slow week to week an Season 5 hits tomorrow

everything else is like 454 Mythic gear

[opal folio]

Besides the mechanical aspect, there’s very real healing/survivability and dps checks

[hexed saddle]

s4* starts in 2 weeks

[frigid mauve]

Oh okay

i thought it was next week for some reason

[halcyon haven]

what part of the boss are yall on?

[hexed saddle]

also yeah you're basically just a body on mythic fyrakk

[frigid mauve]

We wiped on Smolderon

like 10 times

but we had to many healers an like 3 tanks trynna DPS with the Tanks

Idk didnt seem like the best comp an im not much help apparently

[hexed saddle]

what the hell is going on in your guild

[frigid mauve]

nah we had to pull randoms

our guild isnt huge

[halcyon haven]

they terminal

[hexed saddle]

yeah it sounds like they're on the brink of death

regardless of whether or not you get enough gear, I don't think you're killing mythic fyrakk before s4 comes out

[frigid mauve]

we didnt even have a discord really when i joined its just growing i think theres like maybe 25 active people

an like 50 offlines

[halcyon haven]

if you're not on p2 its no shot

[opal folio]

We reached p3 a few times tonight with 7 raids left and even then it feels pretty tight

[frigid mauve]

Someone wanna let me be a body lmao

Im trynna get that mount xD

[hexed saddle]

u got 10 mil

[frigid mauve]

I got 10k

lol

[hexed saddle]

better luck next time

[halcyon haven]

damn rlly?

[opal folio]

We’re probably fine

But personally I’m rattled

Like in theory that’s more than enough time, but if roster boss rears its head

ETA gg

[halcyon haven]

we got like 5 or 6 days left at most

[opal folio]

How far into the fight are you?

[halcyon haven]

wiped after 2nd set of adds

[opal folio]

You got a foot in p3 then

We temporarily lust p2 right now just to allow more time to practice blazes and cc chains

You could suggest that to the raid leader maybe

[halcyon haven]

ya we already got a raid plan for p3

we lust p2 rn

[opal folio]

Nice

[halcyon haven]

we got the adds situation pretty good with 2 bdks

[shadow ibex]

i think we kill it tonight. we've never seen p3 before and first hour tonight got to it every pull

def next week if not tn

[opal folio]

Good luck king

[shadow ibex]

rn im trying to line up PI with fatal

[halcyon haven]

isn't the hardest part about p3 tornado placement?

[shadow ibex]

idfk im just making sure i get x2 WW every cs

zug zug life

[opal folio]

I’m in fury prison for this one

No enhancers or sp or any other add cleanup specialists

[robust ridge]

Seed management is the hardest part from a raid perspective, if you aren’t on seeds then yeh it’s really just making sure you stay in your spot / drop tornadoes appropriately

[shadow ibex]

other war is fury i'd rather die than play it

[opal folio]

It really is cringe

But hey it’s immortal so there’s that

[halcyon haven]

we're ranged heavy so idk how much that helps/hurts with things

[shadow ibex]

i just wanna kill it early tn so i can hit the gym at 6am since we raid till midnight

[robust ridge]

It really doesn’t impact it - it’s just about solo play (mostly) of the seed carriers

Ranged / melee is kind of irrelevant since you can position the raid away from the seed group/s

[halcyon haven]

how bad's the healing req for the phase?

[robust ridge]

Think the corrupted seed carriers take a beating, but the majority of the raid should avoid most damage - swirlies and tornadoes 1 shot, so you’re just taking damage from lines + the ability post seed soak

[opal folio]

In situations like ours where we lust p2 in prog…

Are we better off keeping it there or eventually moving it to p3?

[sacred zodiac]

shouldnt really be necessary after the like what third colossus + add hp nerf

[opal folio]

Plan is to move it to p3 next raid

Guess that makes sense then

[inner wasp]

i got gorehowl so i have to learn arms..

i cant wait to play my favorite builder/spender class! i look forward to managing my rage!

[proud plover]

gorehowl isnt that great, only if its the highest ilvl you have use it

[inner wasp]

i have lego

i needed it purely for transmog purposes

[wicked aurora]

Tindral jail is over

[dire hinge]

grats!

[wicked aurora]

I think we're gonna try to prog fyrakk but tbh I kinda hope we don't

[robust ridge]

Based on our experience just killing it last week - you’ll likely just spend the remaining 2 weeks learning p1 and some of p2

[wicked aurora]

my thoughts exactly

[boreal quartz]

[boreal quartz]

Youd need like 4 days a week of consistent prog to kill or so

Depends on the gamers

If you proc a thdlock you can kill it sub 250

[mortal stag]

Hey guys! I'm playing arms rn and have two trinkets which is better do you think for m+?

[sharp wyvern]

You only have 2 trinkets?

What's the choice here?

[mortal stag]

I have a decent trinket for the first slot

this is a choice for the second trinket, which one is better?

[sharp wyvern]

Strength one

[mortal stag]

Thanks

[teal finch]

Are the talents posted in #268491842637660160 up to date? Cross checking with wowhead and icyveins it seems to be different

[halcyon breach]

They're up to date, although there's a few other builds like Juggernaut M+ setup which should be on the wowhead talent page. Soon™️ however the FAQ will get an update to include all the new S4 builds for when it comes

[teal finch]

I see, thank you!

[wintry scroll]

When did u become stormforged

[halcyon breach]

I've always been yellow

[wintry scroll]

Wtf

[halcyon breach]

3 days ago

[wintry scroll]

How was the feeling

Going from brown to yellow

[halcyon breach]

I can post now so pretty good

[wintry scroll]

[quasi torrent]

balls balls balls

[wintry scroll]

We don’t have access to balls

We are brownies

[quasi torrent]

oh the misery

[wintry scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/ultimate-warrior-gif-9325499

Balls

Balls

[halcyon breach]

Mention and Anda appears? Suspicious

[quasi torrent]

sus amongus

[soft island]

Hello guys, I have a question, what is a good arms warrior rotation?

[quasi torrent]

press mortal strike

[median scroll]

wait banezio transcended from mediocrity and switched colours

[boreal quartz]

[boreal quartz]

You meant to mediocrity

[median scroll]

oof

big words from somone getting holiday gapped

[soft island]

xD

[mighty prawn]

Hi, I was trying to understand arms generic rotation, want to share with you just to get an opinion.

1. Opener/Cooldowns phase. Here we pres avatar into CS into MC/Cleave (to immediately get the damage uplift and put ms/cleave on cd)
2. We use additional DMG cooldowns (spear or roar), basically popping all buttons with longer cooldowns at this stage.
3. While fully powered up we use MS/cleave again into overpower x2c and then MS/cleave while trying to dump rage with Thunder clap and whirlwind/slam (while op and ms are down).

No cooldowns phase

1)Colossus smash/war-breaker when possible
2)Overpower into MS

3)spend exe procs

4)Whirlwind and TC to dump rage and reset CS

Execution phase

Same as CD phase or down phase just puttig 2x Executes into double overpower before MS/cleave.

Been playing this spec for 2 days, what do you think?

[boreal quartz]

You describe it too static

You have a priority of your buttons and you follow that

Just so happens to be that pressing your CDs is highest priority

[mighty prawn]

Hmm appreciate the feedback

[boreal quartz]

You are looking at it in a very arcane magey way IMO

[mighty prawn]

Been a caster for 3 expacs 🥲

[boreal quartz]

Can tell :P

Since i also played one for a bit

[mighty prawn]

So what would your priority list be?

And the logic behind

[boreal quartz]

Rend>Ms>sd>op>ww>slam in st

CDs on cd

[hazy flower]

isnt sd>cs>ms?

[boreal quartz]

No

Sd fucking sucks

[hazy flower]

is that for s4 apl

[boreal quartz]

That like a 2 month ago apl change

[hazy flower]

what

wait no shot

[boreal quartz]

S3

[hazy flower]

ive been pressing sd

whenever it glows

-_-

good to know

after all this time

[mighty prawn]

Sorry for a dumb q, what’s sd?

[hazy flower]

sudden death

your tier set revolves around it

currently

[mighty prawn]

Ah right

[boreal quartz]

That was the paw cook 1

Before the large execute one

[hazy flower]

holy moses

when did I miss out on that one

[boreal quartz]

In aoe it doesnt apply so it doesnt matter for the content u do

[mighty prawn]

This community is amazing 😁

[boreal quartz]

@hazy flower has ce btw

Doesnt know prio

[hazy flower]

turns out

it costs me

my 95 on fyrakk

I'm like 200 dps from 95

lmao

[boreal quartz]

Now reclear surely

[hazy flower]

First 6 I need to improve logs

my smoldy prog is decent

95,9

but rest can be improved

only volc is ok with 99

[normal mason]

I assume arms is better for m+ and raids next tier from pure dmg output perspective both aoe and st

[boreal quartz]

Yep

Assumed correctly

[hazy flower]

@boreal quartz

we'll kill 7

and I'll get

fucking augury in vault

for 1 week of s3

lmao

[normal mason]

Good thing I finally learned arms the last few weeks ready. It’s actually more fun than I thought. Fury s2 talents are fun though

[boreal quartz]

I get mine in 2 days dw

[hazy flower]

cope

[boreal quartz]

I have 3 slots

It's guaranteed

No cope

[hazy flower]

cope

if I ever heard one

[boreal quartz]

You get variety with arms which is the cool thing

Fury is just spec 2 points and forget

Roar + ww or spear + exe

[mighty prawn]

Fury S4 rotation seems a bit overwhelming after s3 (when I started as fury).

Guess I’ll stick to Arms for a while, until I can master it

[boreal quartz]

It's fun though as you get a lot of CDs

[halcyon breach]

The S3 APL has SD > MS

And has for a while

Unless you're looking at a custom APL of Ppawws

[mighty prawn]

For a seasoned warrior I totally understand, but to me it becomes a bit overwhelming 😄 as an example I have been an SP for 3 expacs, I have every possible button binded and in muscle memory even stuff like soothe, so it feels very compfy, but with a war I am still figuring out 😄

[boreal quartz]

Gets better over time dw

And you dont need to do cringe ranged mechanics

[boreal quartz]

Got changed in main apl too

[mighty prawn]

haha 😄 true that, I actually enjoy the close combat, did not think it would be this engaging

[halcyon breach]

SD is still essentially highest priority if SD pops, or if Rend isn't active

[boreal quartz]

@gaunt owl it was ms>sd no?

[teal finch]

I'm looking at wowhead's prio list, for single target when do i actually get to press blade storm if I have blademaster's torment and in for the kill talented? because my first opener would want to use some gcds to mortal strike and thunder clap for bleeds right? Would I only do bladestorm on my second colossus smash? Or should I when opening just Warbreaker->Avatar->Blade master's torment->Blade storm?

[boreal quartz]

For bmt you just apply rend and then rip Avatar for hurricane - you then wb (you can cover it fully with hurricane) roar > stuff and then press bladestorm to extend hurricane

If you dont have ava you bs>wb

[median scroll]

spreading misinformation

[boreal quartz]

It's my favorite hobby

But im turbo sure it's right and was a thing

[teal finch]

So for single target blade storm's purpose is to provide us hurricane, so you don't really care about having colossus smash debuff when casting blade storm?

[boreal quartz]

You afk half your wg if you bs in the debuff

That's bad so you prebuff

[hazy flower]

maybe cs>sd instead of sd>cs

but first time I'm hearing of ms>sd

[teal finch]

and this only changes with when i'm multi target in which then i would be casting wb>avatar(bmt)>bs right?

[hazy flower]

since at the very start we were doing sd>cs

[boreal quartz]

Wait for the grand paw wizard

[hazy flower]

@gaunt owl

bless us

with your mighty presence

[boreal quartz]

In aoe with 2 bs youd ava wb and then bs so u buff the 2nd bs that starts at max hurricane rather than the first, weaker one

2 bs is cringe a shit though

[sour nest]

Yeah FR. like if you wanna do tank damage ST. It’s ok lol

[shadow ibex]

Buff unhinged

Cowards

[teal finch]

I see, so I should be preferring the non BMT and BS build with warlord's torment talented? Just following what wowhead has honestly

[boreal quartz]

I mean x2 bs does ok St but ur afk so long it's not fun

[boreal quartz]

Single bs is generally better yea - though it's about preference in the end

[daring heron]

highly recommend just playing single BS

[teal finch]

I see, so i should be using the talent build from faq instead of wowhead's because they either have blade storm + BMT talented, or don't even have bladestorm talented (for M+)

I'll take a look at it, thank you for the help!

[boreal quartz]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1173642348899606598/1204160158108753980/image.png?ex=661d8c89&is=660b1789&hm=3343ff8e2d5e689739bd80ad3a5199965929f4a5c55ed2cfabec060a63f48e2c&

Drop the stamina node for an execute point if ur not doing turbo keys

[teal finch]

Noob question, what are turbo keys?

[boreal quartz]

You can grab strength of arms over long sweep for more st

[boreal quartz]

Like 28+ if you are pushing what you can or cant live

Without that talent

[teal finch]

ahhh okay, thanks

[halcyon breach]

I HIGHLY recommend talenting intervene for your tanks sake, do try it

[boreal quartz]

I HIGHLY recommend her

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/711337973274378270/1222549568470777876/SPONGIEWHY.gif

[halcyon breach]

[daring heron]

kaban how did you hack benzai's discord

[sacred zodiac]

big fan of kaban mister ))))

[daring heron]

yellow name abuse

[sacred zodiac]

banezi fan #1

[halcyon breach]

spongie fan #1

[fresh spire]

[daring heron]

yooo this new emote is sick

[halcyon breach]

[rare kite]

that's why it's wearing the mask

fr tho it is really nice

[teal finch]

Do I still use slam to dump rage in ST raid scenarios if i don't have crushing force talented?

[halcyon breach]

No, you just TC instead then

But realistically you don't untalent CF in raid

[teal finch]

The talent build for ST in FAQ doesn't have CF talented haha

Safe to follow this talent build from wowhead then?

[rare kite]

that build does have crushing force

[halcyon breach]

When I imported it earlier that was an oversight, it'll be fixed soon

But yes that'd be the build you'd follow otherwise

[zinc kiln]

Heya, do we keep Badluck protection for p4 or do we have to rebuild it?

[halcyon breach]

I see the issue as well, since the ST talents have Second Wind talented from before Inspiring Presence got removed

So it wasn't entirely updated as I thought

[teal finch]

Thanks!

[teal finch]

Sorry just curious, can I ask why I use TC to dump rage instead of slam when slam is higher DPR even without CF talented?

just for rend effect?

[halcyon breach]

Because it's not just a DPR value you think about as Arms, it's also AM, and ToM, if you're in CS

Rend in S3 isn't a concern because you generally keep it at 100% uptime through SD procs alone

Spending rage is just a feedback loop right now for Arms, especially when we have so much rage outside of Execute, that you just want to spend as much as possible

CF basically makes it so Slam is worth pressing even if it means you spend less rage

[teal finch]

That makes alot of sense, thanks for the explanation!

[teal finch]

Should I only use Avatar when CS/WB is available? Or should i just use it off CD

[tiny burrow]

what is DPR? damage per rage?

[hazy flower]

you hold avatar for cs/wb, but not otherwise (Unless it's very close)

[halcyon breach]

You can essentially use it on CD with ToM, since it'll usually overlap with either ToM and CS, and the difference between ToM and CS isn't that massive compared to simply getting Avatar used (unless you hold it)

[halcyon breach]

Yes

[teal finch]

I see, CS/WB has prio to always be used, and Avatar should be held for CS/WB unless I have Test of might talented since i have a bigger window for overlapping buffs

thanks!

[olive nest]

[teal finch]

In an AoE scenario, do i only ever press mortal strike if i'm under Sweeping strikes AND have 2 stacks of martial prowess? So if i'm not under SS I just use over power + thunderclap and never use mortal strike (unless i want to apply deep wounds)?

[cloud dawn]

MS is your biggest damage ability, use it every chance you can

[nova marsh]

If ur in ss, use the fuck outta ms. Always

Irrc SS is basically the same as st prio

[teal finch]

I see... no need to wait for 2 stacks of martial prowess in SS? And outside of SS still just pop MS on CD for aoe?

[nova marsh]

We don't actually care about stacks of MP

Treat it as just a bonus ontop

And because op is a high priority ability anyways due to damage, you'll usually end up sending with 1 stack

[halcyon breach]

During SS this is not true

[nova marsh]

Is it really not?

Do we actually need 2 stacks for ss?

[halcyon breach]

Depending on the context of the pull you're on, you MS at 2 stacks at 6 or less targets if you have no priority target, otherwise you just keep MS'ing/Executing on a priority target

[nova marsh]

I mean most packs have a prio target but true

[teal finch]

I see, that clears it up for me!

[daring heron]

there are gonna be more of these cases in s4 when you have to choose between MS and cleave

[halcyon breach]

It's basically MS at 2x Martial Prowess > OP > MS at 6 or lower, any higher target count and you can just prio OP highest if all you want is AoE

[rare kite]

4 targets ms with ss i assume

[daring heron]

like cleave might be correct in the sense that it gives you more overall dps, but MS to do more prio damage will be better

even if you have like 10 targets

[cloud dawn]

@daring heron i can feel the S4 arms war video cooking

[daring heron]

it is cooking

i actually recorded one yesterday but wasnt happy with it, so going to try again tonight lmao

[rare kite]

the video is just going to be

[halcyon breach]

Do be sure to include a talent setup with Intervene, just in case

[royal lion]

Question obviously the Lego axe is bis but is it a big dps increase or just min maxing

[halcyon breach]

It's a very big increase

[daring heron]

whats with the intervene propaganda

[rare kite]

pretty goddamn big

[royal lion]

Ok cool

[halcyon breach]

Can't help myself after watching you and Kaban88mister

[daring heron]

i see

[halcyon breach]

Maybe if enough people use Intervene they'll realise the potential of it and reintroduce Safeguard

[rare kite]

intervene for shield in tww

[daring heron]

if safeguard came back and was genuinely pickable in the talent tree, i'd use it for sure

[halcyon breach]

It'd be nice if they could make it a choice node with Intervene itself

[daring heron]

felt very rewarding and adds skill expression

[halcyon breach]

Either become a shield on the person you go to and lose the redirect aspect, or keep it as is for those moments where you can DBTS + Intervene

Although it'd likely end up with the normal Intervene node would rarely ever be picked

[daring heron]

not like warrs cant use some utility anyway

ye

[halcyon breach]

I haven't done enough keys to really know in higher end keys, but it's not like auto attacks typically are the most dangerous things?

[daring heron]

easiest and best option would just be to bake it into intervene

[halcyon breach]

Probably yeah

[daring heron]

no need for choice node

[halcyon breach]

hate choice

[daring heron]

but yeah intervene with parry can be useful for tank

safeguard always useful to help non tank member survive burst damage

[halcyon breach]

Safeguard gone too soon

[daring heron]

it was around 20% DR at max conduit rank iirc

pretty big when used correctly

[cloud dawn]

intervene with a reflect would be sick

[halcyon breach]

18% at 278

Had to bring out the trust old soulbind calculator to find it

[daring heron]

nice

intervene reflect sounds like a bit too much

[teal fossil]

whats MBG at max rank

also if you think about it

[daring heron]

then again vdh infinite stops and silence exists

[teal fossil]

enhancement shaman scaled with conduit ranks

[halcyon breach]

52% according to this but it must be an omega nerfed state

[teal fossil]

if shadowlands lasted for a decade they'll eventually reach 0cd on ankh

52 doesnt seem right at all

[halcyon breach]

yeah

[daring heron]

mbg was much more than that ya

[halcyon breach]

Pretty sure the tooltips are just bricked

[daring heron]

it got changed on prepatch

[halcyon breach]

For some anyway

oh right

Ngl I forgot MBG values other than they were like 200+

[daring heron]

cause ww does more dmg in df than sl

just like exec dmg got nerfed when they added big exe talents like jugg in df

[halcyon breach]

Not like it mattered because of Condemn

[daring heron]

but they forgot to change condemn dmg so condemn did stupid damage with jugg talents

ye

[rare kite]

they are 100% bricked

[halcyon breach]

Some of them are correct

[teal fossil]

banezi

[halcyon breach]

I'm too lazy to find before prepatch versions wherever they might be

[teal fossil]

i think its time to port back to oribos

[halcyon breach]

ye see you there

I wont come but

see you there

[teal fossil]

i wont

havent been subbed since 2021

[halcyon breach]

🫡

[teal fossil]

notice how this doesnt say dragonflight

because im still in the best expac

[cloud dawn]

[hazy flower]

nuts

[finite mantle]

🫡

[gaunt owl]

@hazy flower @boreal quartz gonna answer soon was discovery Journey for my maybe future job

Soon at home

[boreal quartz]

Good luck 🙏

[mighty prawn]

how??? I gotta learn that 😁

[misty iron]

save spell reflect for when crushing depths is cast on you, big dam

[mighty prawn]

🙏🏻

[hazy flower]

the higher the key lvl the bigger the dam

[cursive sun]

whats the m+ build in ptr?

i dont rember anymore

[boreal quartz]

Single bs, drop 1 BB add cleave

[strange perch]

False

[gaunt owl]

its ok brosky i nailed it so hard they gonna beg

so it was about SD > MS and CS > MS the right order i has for S3 ?

for S3 it do be CS > SD > MS prio

it was a marginal gain of 300 something like this

found by @ionic reef the boy that question my APL too much

past 2 gains was from him

@hazy flower @halcyon breach

[hazy flower]

'twas phil

@boreal quartz

but yeah cs>sd>ms

is what I figured since I recall something like that being the prio

and what i do

[halcyon breach]

I'm aware, it was mostly just about earlier where Phil mentioned MS > SD

Looked at the APL myself to be sure there wasn't some change I wasn't aware of

The only cases I could think of MS > SD would be overall gaining one or two more MS casts through a fight, but run the risk of munching an SD proc

[gaunt owl]

i didnt try any fringe case like this with condition

[halcyon breach]

I don't think it's worth it either

[gaunt owl]

and the last tier set buff was probably enough to garantee SD was the prio button

[halcyon breach]

Yeah, although I've just prio'd SD above MS all season

Mostly because of the munch possibility

[gaunt owl]

i did play it that way too

worst feeling watching this SD proc refresh before you send it

[hazy flower]

worst feeling

is

15 stacks of jugg on fyrakk

[dire hinge]

CS parry?

[hazy flower]

getting lost

[dire hinge]

oh that

[hazy flower]

just before u getting sd proc

close to exe

ye cs parry is even worse but it's much less common

but when it happens holy moly do I go mad

[gaunt owl]

AA parry when out of rage takes the cake

[hazy flower]

dog shit mechanic parrying my cooldowns

[dire hinge]

it's true, when SD times out i dont feel the texture as directly

[gaunt owl]

i had 15 stack going really nicely yesterday on Fyrakk

[hazy flower]

same

we were going to 2nd colossus

[rare kite]

AA parry on first auto of the fight feels insanely bad

[hazy flower]

was rolling 15 stacks

and then boom

disappeared

[gaunt owl]

wait so many clowns

[hazy flower]

its free

[gaunt owl]

are we opening a circus

[hazy flower]

thats why

LMAO

its like those twitch skins in fortnite or smth

shits free

so everyone abuses it

[rare kite]

yes, it's called the fury channel

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-clown-clown-fiesta-gif-18189793

look at this funny juggy stack @hazy flower @dire hinge

i was barely able to keep it nicely refresh on last GCD each time on the 15 one in p2

i hate juggy stacks

[hazy flower]

my parse locked in

200 dps away from orange