arms

[latent moss]

[woven wasp]

more like 3, can skip garrosh rp with trash

[latent moss]

lol grandpaww

[gaunt owl]

i alt tab and let the RP go

listening to the best warchief is my jam

[latent moss]

true

[latent moss]

you should join echo and replace walli and revvez

3 warriors echo

[gaunt owl]

you mean warming the bench

nice

[nova marsh]

The bench is the best

[bleak fog]

Just got a new laptop and try to copy my WTF and Interface map over.. They are where they should be but cant find the addon in curse app nor the game

Help! ><

[gaunt owl]

Addons are in Interface folder

not in WTF

so you have to copy that too

[bleak fog]

Yeah

those 2

[gaunt owl]

yep

[bleak fog]

did and they are on the same place on the new one... WTF works so bars and stuff are there...

No addons ><

Cant sync in the curseapp either

[gaunt owl]

are you sure curseapp is looking at the right place ?

and that you enabled the addon ingame ?

[bleak fog]

I dont even have the addontab in game as no addon is there 😄

Curse found wow but not the addonmap

Installed a new addon and it put itself on the same place as all the other

[smoky kayak]

if you install your addons manually, then they should be under interface -> addons; idk how the auto-curse stuff does it

sounds like some kinda missing path though

[bleak fog]

Found a way to sync it now

But now... Bnet is fucked 😄

Bnet works for you guys?

Im online and see all the games, but its the screen in midle that wont load

[gaunt owl]

it do be broken

[bleak fog]

FOr you aswell?

[gaunt owl]

yes

[edgy raft]

Can anyone tell Me why arms suddenly sims so much higher than fury now?
I sim 243,5k as fury and 249,9 as arms in 5min (not same gear/stats

[fallen tusk]

Arms is just built different

for real tho i just came to ask if Battle net is broken for anyone else?

[smoky kayak]

depends on what you mean by now, Arms did get some nice buffs awhile back which pushed its ST up

[misty bridge]

Possible Bnet maintenance

[fallen tusk]

doesn't look like maintenance

[smoky kayak]

mine works, so it might be regional

[bronze sand]

does Thunder Clap still take priority over Slam if theres nothing else to press and Rend is still fresh?

[gaunt owl]

season is over

and that question is confusing kinda

if you mean for S3

you dont need to Tclap

[reef mauve]

This is roughly what I am getting as well. Basically a 5k gap in favor of arms

[bronze sand]

yeah I just jumped back in after a while so I dont have any tier bonuses

[gaunt owl]

you only Tclap to refresh rend without tier set now

next season you can go the full Tclap once again

[reef mauve]

Give them the tclap

[gaunt owl]

Arms > Fury

always been this way

[reef mauve]

Gonna miss tclap crit ting for 200k

[fallen tusk]

i skipped season 3 no idea what this is about

but it sounds fun

[ionic flare]

I'm returning to Arms for next season because of how much I hate the Fury tier set and oh boy I've been missing these big hits and actual execute phases

[somber lance]

in keys if i want to get used to playing arms, should i run double BS build? is that the easiest?

[reef mauve]

Single bladestorm is truth

[obsidian topaz]

Few questions - when im in mass AOE and my current target is in execute range, so I just ignore it and go about regular AOE rotation? Does have SS up change that at all?

not talking Sudden Death proc - that obviously goes first

[smoky kayak]

SS affects the target breakpoints, but the real question is how badly you wanna kill that target vs just doing raw damage

[obsidian topaz]

lets say all the targets are equal in value anyway

so I guess I'd be going about regular rotation for AOE then

do I bother with BS in Single target in keys?

[reef mauve]

Tbf if you are executing one target your are executing another target and it kinda Cascades down in my experience

[rare kite]

yes

[obsidian topaz]

how much do I play around Executioners Precision below 35%? Currently I'm spamming execute until I dip below 40 rage, then I overpower. once I hit 2 stacks of matrial prowess I MS

should i be sending MS every 2 executes regardless?

[reef mauve]

St or AOE? In cooldowns or out?

[obsidian topaz]

ST

and i guess outside of CDs as I wont really be blowing Avatar when bosses are below 35% HP in keys

but im curious about both

[gaunt owl]

you are doing it right

but you dont know why

its ok !

[reef mauve]

So you're not specced into Tom for this question yeah?

[gaunt owl]

normally its 2 EP then MS

[obsidian topaz]

well im just following the rotation from wowhead, but its for sure not using MS very 2 executes

just because it takes like 6 executes to drop below 40 rage

[gaunt owl]

if you talk about this you read wrong

[obsidian topaz]

lol thats what i was talking about ya

[gaunt owl]

you are stuck on number 4

[abstract verge]

Guys you having prob to log in the gamec

[gaunt owl]

but thats specifically for SD procs

[abstract verge]

?

[obsidian topaz]

im confused

[abstract verge]

EU server seems fucked up

[hazy flower]

sudden death is a talent

[gaunt owl]

yep server ded

[hazy flower]

read what it does and read your tier set

you'll understand why it's this high

[abstract verge]

Sorry for the offtopic

[obsidian topaz]

I know why SD is high

[abstract verge]

I know its a small indie company so could happens

[obsidian topaz]

Im talking about regular Execute vs sending MS at 2 stacks of executioners precision

[hazy flower]

you're sending MS at x2 OP stacks and x2 EP stacks

or if its tom + cs overlap you send at x1 OP and x2 EP stacks

otherwise spam execute

[gaunt owl]

undo the Execute Curse

right now

[hazy flower]

wait 3 weeks

ppaw

[obsidian topaz]

ah thank you

[gaunt owl]

time to drill people into the right gameplay

[obsidian topaz]

ya just saw it

[gaunt owl]

NO @hazy flower

[obsidian topaz]

so MS at 2 stacks of executioners precision even if im not at 2 stacks of overpower

[gaunt owl]

it is a priority

[hazy flower]

no

[gaunt owl]

yepo

[obsidian topaz]

lol you two

hahah

[hazy flower]

not right now

[gaunt owl]

dont listen to @hazy flower

he sux

[hazy flower]

zx

[reef mauve]

I hate how the tier fucks up my test of might when it procs back to back in cs

[gaunt owl]

it do be like that sometimes

having 2 source of trigger for SD do this

[obsidian topaz]

ok now outside of execute range, do I ever want to send MS without 2 oP stacks?

[gaunt owl]

you MS on CD

[obsidian topaz]

like if OP is on CD or something?

[hazy flower]

yes in st ms on cd

above exe

why are u still guildless

[main creek]

Yoo, i've made a simple weakaura that handles stacks of Overpower and Executionners precision on mortal strike.
I've had the idea of using the crafting tier quality symbols to handle how many stacks I have.
tier 1 : 1 overpower stacks
tier 2 : 2 overpower stacks
tier 3 : one executionner precision stack on target
tier 4 : two executionner precision stack on target
tier 5 : two ep stacks and 1 overpower stack

[obsidian topaz]

what about in multitarget

[boreal quartz]

Same that's irrelevant in 3 weeks

Cool idea though

[smoky kayak]

might be worth hanging onto for a later time though

[reef mauve]

Why that ms only rank 2

[main creek]

moment before disaster

[gaunt owl]

OP > MS but it doesnt really matter as you will have MS on CD always

[main creek]

well be just executing in three weeks ?

[gaunt owl]

its worth using MS with SS up to 8 target

[boreal quartz]

No, youll be ignoring op stacks again and going for 2 EP - >ms

[reef mauve]

Who is ready to cleave?

[main creek]

Okay thanks for the heads up

[boreal quartz]

As the spam execute is gone

The ms with 2ep/2op> exe>op thing

[dire hinge]

the use of the crafting icons is really neat though, visually it feels more related to the WoW UI and that's spiffy

smort

[lucid nest]

Have you problem with the game?

[ornate eagle]

#general

[shadow ibex]

Can't wait for s1 bonus

Buff cleave so we can have some cursed tech where it >slam as an ST rage dump

That would complete the DF experience

[quasi torrent]

it does more dam as slam

it is the better button to press

[dire hinge]

haha, it certainly would put some weight back into Exhilirating Blows

[shadow ibex]

Consumes OP stacks tho

That's the big problem

[quasi torrent]

sims better

[shadow ibex]

Gross

[latent moss]

u avoid cleave if u have martial prowes

prowess

then u tc

[smoky kayak]

It already is, you just need to be careful of consuming OP buffs

[nova marsh]

So

Does the bs tech still work

For the axe?

[dire hinge]

just tested and yes, it does. You just have to be far enough away from the group to cast Avatar mid-fyr'alath jump

you'd want to charge->clap first to get Lego dots on your targets though

[obsidian topaz]

what can I give up to take shockwave?

I feel so useless without it

[nova marsh]

Give up uproar

And a point in cruel strikes irrc

[dire hinge]

you can take it by all means, but it's a very short stun that does contribute to global Diminishing Returns for other specs and their better stuns.

You can give up Cruel Strikes + Uproar to reach it yeah

[obsidian topaz]

idk I feel like only having storm bolt isnt enough

[nova marsh]

That's okay

[obsidian topaz]

plus now it always aligns with avatar

[nova marsh]

It's about a .5-1% loss

And that's from sims, uproar is highly tank dependant to get actual value out of

[dire hinge]

absolutely, and every second that Thunderous Roar is off cooldown and unused swiftly diminishes the uproar value

[nova marsh]

Time for the first keys with the lego

[dire hinge]

woo! good luck!

remember to hit everything in the pack before using it (clap, whirlwind, etc)

i goofed that one real hard the first few keys

[nova marsh]

Do we send normal burst first in keys?

[dire hinge]

I usually do burst afterwards since it's a very brief cast

due to the mismatched timings (2min vs 1.5min vs 1min, etc), it'll end up just kinda be used throughout packs either to polish them off or to open with, depending on what you have available

it doesn't benefit from Warbreaker/Avatar/etc, so i prefer using it early in the pack just so it's not eating empowered gcds during the other cooldowns

[nova marsh]

I usually assume items never benefit from CDs

[visual fern]

Yah but what If I'm tryna pad on the smallies in fyrakk intermission

Surely it's an OP CLAP OP angle

[sacred zodiac]

hello garmer

[visual fern]

Hello spongerman

[sacred zodiac]

big faner

[obsidian topaz]

wait why is roar so much more damage on arms vs fury

[dire hinge]

We have increased bleed damage talents, which includes roar

Also a talent which extends Roar’s bleed duration

[obsidian topaz]

its like my top DPS

[zealous sphinx]

Most people running augury x signet on logs but simc keeps telling me Signet x sandglass ? does that mean sandglass sim is bogus?

[dire hinge]

It does a tremendous amount of damage. Usually it won’t be your top dps, but you might be running lower keys where things are dying before you can do other spells to catch up. It’s usually up there though, like top 5 spells

Like, for context, the default duration of Roar is 8 seconds, with the Thunderous Words talent to add another 2sec. So fury’s lasts 10sec.

Arms, specifically, has a talent (Bloodletting) that adds another 6 sec atop that, and then the Bloodborne talent amps it’s damage by 7.5-15% further.

So 60% longer duration doing upwards of 15% more dps throughout per tick

Big uncapped damage

[shadow ibex]

Armor ignoring dam go brr

[nova marsh]

roar fucks

Tbh Troar is much better then Dragon roar imo

It's so much cooler

[dire hinge]

Slam poetry, if you will

[opal folio]

Thunderous makes more sense thematically

You yell, eardrums burst and bleed

Dragon roar felt out of place

[dire hinge]

Scream so loud it makes inanimate objects bleed 👌

[nova marsh]

Dragon roar was a fun idea

It just felt so weak, and the fact that it was a primarily ST ability was so....odd

Also arms getting it was such a good move

I honestly think Troar becoming what it is now is one of the best things from DF warrior. So satisfying

[latent moss]

agreed

i love troar

cool button

[shadow ibex]

What was mop DR? Always crit?

I know it had that quarter knock back or whatever

Idr if it ignored armor tho

[nova marsh]

Idk what MoP was

But in shadowlands it was a 30 sec cd ability that if it crit, it did like 4 times the damage

Same for bfa too irrc

[shadow ibex]

It either always crit or ignored armor it was somewhat special

But not a huge amazing button

[nova marsh]

Troar as is feels like a highlight of the whole rotation

And it's even useful in raids with adds so arms can try to pad a lil

[shadow ibex]

Take away the rage gen and add more DMG

[nova marsh]

Troar is perfect to me as is

[shadow ibex]

I don't want any of my buttons value budget to be caught up in genning rage in this economy

Remove rage from avatar make it 30% more not 20

Remove rage from SkS make it hit for 300% AP

[smoky kayak]

BS and Storm Eater work, though they did fix the Puzzlebox tech

So you can't channel puzzlebox during fy'ralath anymore 😦

[nova marsh]

I'm okay with that

Doing two channels DOES sound a little silly tbh

Sad thou

[smoky kayak]

it's a little fast to notice, but I love the animation btw, how you start spinning mid-air when BS starts

[dire hinge]

Can’t double cast the ranged players would be upset

[shadow ibex]

We still need to start a campaign for bosses to have a chance to resist spells from the front

[dire hinge]

It looks really cool! Also big numbers shoot out of the mobs

[shadow ibex]

[nova marsh]

na

Just make all bosses immune to anything that isn't physical damage

[smoky kayak]

MoP Dragon Roar was a knockback, knockdown, auto-crit that ignored armor

[dire hinge]

It would make fights more engaging 🙃

[shadow ibex]

I want all TWW bosses to have a 10% chance to resist all spells cast in their face

[nova marsh]

then design intense anti meele mechanics that make it borderline unplayable

[shadow ibex]

For texture

[nova marsh]

So hunters are the only viable class

[shadow ibex]

Texture deez

[smoky kayak]

do they make textures that small?

[nova marsh]

[dire hinge]

Igira turning around to channel her hammer smacks towards ranged, just nullifying so many pryroblasts

[shadow ibex]

Or make fire mobs immune to fire DMG ofc

[dire hinge]

Ran into that in BG3 last night. Wasted a perfectly good 4th level spell slot

[shadow ibex]

Just hit it hard

[dire hinge]

It’s all fun and games until they add something that has phys immunity or heavy reduction

[nova marsh]

If blizz made an immune boss

like early wow bosses were

Imagine the backlash from the salty as fuck casters

[shadow ibex]

I haven't played in a few months I got to the city gates and stopped

Idr what weapon I was using. Playing full fighter with the extra crit threat subclass

So many attacks a turn

[dire hinge]

It’s quite fun! My most recent was a monk with Tavern Brawler (unarmed attacks get your Str modifier added twice to them) running around with Hill Giant potions just decking people non stop

[shadow ibex]

i was gonna pick it back up but fucked around and reinstalled sekiro on my day off

forgot how cinematic the boss fights are man. when you get those 7 hit parry strings the game is just beautiful

[dire hinge]

Ye Olde exhilarating blows 7 MS strings

[rare kite]

kurog EB

[dire hinge]

Excited for Kurog again, less excited to have to go through Sennarth to get there

[rare kite]

sennarth owns as warrior, actually my fav boss in vault

[dire hinge]

Not the hardest boss, but also not fun (for my guild)

[shadow ibex]

senn and terros my beloved

hell even council

[dire hinge]

It was unique, I enjoyed it. Just had a lot of mechanical struggles, especially with folks who keyboard turned and really didn’t want to unbind it. (We are a causal group)

[rare kite]

you just slide around,leap intervene and charge shit, there's 2 target cleave and a phase where execute matters the most. it has an actual execute phase

such a great boss for arms

[dire hinge]

Since you’d spin indefinitely if you were pressing Rotate Key while stepping onto ice lol

[shadow ibex]

that sounds cursed

[rare kite]

ahahhaha

[shadow ibex]

i had no idea that was a thing

[rare kite]

i did not know that

i'm gonna try keyboard turning on sennarth then

[dire hinge]

I think you needed to press the rotate button again, but off-ice, but yeah it was… something

[shadow ibex]

we had a wipe on fyrak during dream rend and our monk was stuck being pulled

into the next boss pull

he was just perma pulled

[dire hinge]

Hands entirely off keyboard, just spinning non stop at a slow pace

[rare kite]

don't think i've keyboard turned in many many years

that's hilarious

[dire hinge]

Yeah most of our raid was like “it sounds like a hardware thing?” Until we narrowed it down to keyboard turners

Bc it was only Sennarth. And only when ice puddles spawned at player location

If you don’t have the rotate keys bound (or never press them) it’ll never happen to you

Anywho; hell yeah council ruled too. Honestly that whole raid tier was quite fun. Terros felt a lot like Smolderon Lite. Entirely timed, scripted, do dance, kill boss, but fun throughout

Like a Smolderon/volcoross hybrid

[rare kite]

broodmother snorefest, was on bossduty both our kills...

[shadow ibex]

probably my favorite tier of the expac

playing arms felt fun

felt like u were doing armsy things

[dire hinge]

Lots of two-target throughout

[shadow ibex]

minus sks not working on absorb shield

[rare kite]

i only played sks on terros, 10.05 mini rework came after that

[dire hinge]

A friend of mine is learning arms and was like, “do we ever take shattering throw?”, and the good news is we will soon*

*for a single fight, once every 3 weeks

[rare kite]

shattering throw? you mean wrecking throw? there are no immunities to use it for

[dire hinge]

Yeah sorry that one

The throw talent names are noooot in my brain much these days

[wind flicker]

Shattering is good for PVP tho

[rare kite]

ye

[wind flicker]

Breaks ice block / bubble and idk some other stuff

[rare kite]

turtle

[shadow ibex]

warlock absorb

it hits hard into

but you'd have to talent it vs a lock comp and unless they had pally healer probably better options

[rare kite]

good on tswift as well

wrecking throw that is

[nova marsh]

So

Does anyone know how to get details to seperate the mark and the on use of the lego?

Mine keeps combinging them and showing off the lego as 10% of my damage?

[wind flicker]

Weirdly enough, on PTR it splits it for me. But on the maingame it doesnt

[nova marsh]

Yeah like

I'm really confused as to why it's both listed as the mark.

Very hard to gauge what's doing what

[snow flame]

@hexed saddle Next forum post is gonna be about ToM

We are gonna start fixing warrior right now!

[frigid lava]

+8 away from 3k io... so close

[nova marsh]

Honestly...kinda like the lego

This thing in keys feels like a monster

[frigid lava]

It's like 10+% dps bump...

what's BTM in M+

[rare kite]

break the meta, think alot of the requirement is just how popular the spec is. hence why destro lock is allowed there even being insanely good in m+

[latent moss]

now imagine u felt like a monster without an rng drop

[nova marsh]

I do

Whenever I pop Roar

And I switched to BS so it's neat

[sudden fractal]

updated guide soon or not for a few weeks?

[dire hinge]

they're usually updated closer to the content release, probably a week or two away

[tranquil hatch]

whats the best way to use the leggo? just run in and ww then pop it, then pop cds?

[waxen quail]

I use it when I'm not buffed by anything other than Bloodlust. Or If I know there's a pull I can consume a lot of dots lol

[dire hinge]

for aoe, you'll want to charge->clap->lego->CDs
for single target you just charge->lego->CDs

[grizzled brook]

yo, with our tier set for s4

we use cleave again to help keep up the buff right?

[boreal quartz]

Yea

[grizzled brook]

also so one thing im still alittle lost on with arms, are we holding cds to get them back with avatar? or are we using collosus smash bladestorm and roar on cd

[hazy flower]

On cd

[boreal quartz]

Anger management makes holding CDs very bad

It's usually stuff like tindral root spawns youd hold wb for

[grizzled brook]

does anyone have a weak aura to track sudden death procs

bc i keep missing them

[boreal quartz]

You can build one through presets

Icons > buffs > sudden death

Then maybe add a glow and ur done

I personally went to into "actions" and added a sound on "show"

[strange perch]

do you charge+thunderous roar on pull then press all my modifiers?

[boreal quartz]

In st ye

[grizzled brook]

so i was hitting the cleave dummies in valdrakken for like 10 minutes, can someone tell me if im doing shit wrong here

[hazy flower]

Are u playing fob

Whirlwind is very high

[grizzled brook]

lemme check

this is the build im playing i copy'd it off wowhead i think

or from someone in here i cant remember lmao

[hazy flower]

Whirlwind is surprisingly high then

[grizzled brook]

im just using it on cd basically

[hazy flower]

I dont onow how much it does in my overall but not 10%

But rest looks +/- okay

[grizzled brook]

i got another question for yall too

its about execute phase on st

do we do execute x2 then mortal strike?

[boreal quartz]

It's 3 gcds between ms

2 should be exe

3rd is op or exe depends on rage

[grizzled brook]

gotcha

[hazy flower]

Teaching the new ways

[boreal quartz]

Old

[hazy flower]

Ig

Pre s3

And post s3

[boreal quartz]

@hazy flower i forgot a redbull in the office that i put next to a set of drawers you reckon it's there from last week

Or did someone swipe it

[hazy flower]

My fucking bus

Just didnt come

Im standing for 20 mins

Ass

[boreal quartz]

Im just late in general i slept in

Gonna blame bus too

[hazy flower]

Kekw

I slept really nice today

Woke up a bit late

6:30

[pliant jetty]

pog

[boreal quartz]

Idk man waking up at 6 after time shift remains a tiny bit cringe

To me

[boreal quartz]

Gz

[pliant jetty]

what are the chances s4 makes it free?

[hazy flower]

Im hyped to do some keys today

X4 ad tries

It has to fucking fall off

[grave cedar]

Is Augury a sim bait?

[boreal quartz]

It's gamba in the end - hard to have it be your best simming option below mythic ilvl tbh - so u wanna out-highroll your better option

[boreal quartz]

0 my guess

[pliant jetty]

dreaming is free i guess

[grave cedar]

I got the 496 augury in my vault

[boreal quartz]

Pick that

[grave cedar]

I did, but I feel like my damage is lower now

[boreal quartz]

HC one you can be on the fence about but mythic one is just turbobis

[boreal quartz]

Itll be a little more inconsistent yeah

But then you have say fyrakk p1 where it does 34k dps and you feel like the best player in the world

For a mythic one i think you assume around 14k overall dps on st to be avg luck (HC one you go for 12 but mythic one eludes me rn)

[gaunt owl]

Daily reminder that parry add textures to the game

[hazy flower]

Love missing out on my cooldown

Because you need to soak on smolderon

I had a gromnak moment this monday

[visual fern]

Here is some

Hella ethical RNG

[snow flame]

Big dmg

This was on my fyurakk kill

we love rng

[visual fern]

I was cagelocked first colossi

Wait RIGHT I CAN USE THESE

[snow flame]

What do you mean wait right I can use these

Oh emotes

lol

[visual fern]

Yah just was conditioned to using skyhold emoji

[snow flame]

Wait we got the same parse for our first kill kinda pog

[visual fern]

https://www.twitch.tv/qtgarms/clip/CorrectAmazingKeyboardPRChase-ZRfgg3EzYNm24RJJ?filter=clips&range=30d&sort=time

This happened

To me

To both sets

Both weeks

[snow flame]

Lmao

[visual fern]

Both as in, this week and last week
Last week I managed to somehow break myself out both times on the second set of debuffs going out lmao

[snow flame]

They didn’t even try to save you

[visual fern]

This week 12s duration saved me

[snow flame]

Yeah that’s a nice change

[visual fern]

Shadow cage

Molten eruption

x2

[snow flame]

[fresh spire]

[open kernel]

why did we vote for s1 to be the tier bonus for this upcoming season?

[gaunt owl]

You wanted more of shitty s3 rng fiesta ?

[exotic kestrel]

s1 slaps

[proud plover]

S1 allowed a few different builds to shine

But it won't be s1 build cause sks changes, no ip spend for tom and buffs to op/slam

[obtuse copper]

Arm good yet?

[gaunt owl]

Come back when TWW

Gameplay still mid

Number are growing

[obtuse copper]

[gaunt owl]

Give me Alpha blazzore plz

[proud plover]

Press ms inside cs+avatar+tom window overlap after opx2 epx2 for big number

[gaunt owl]

I did a 1.4m MS like this

Now i regret my decision to aim for it

Reminded me of a better time

When Arms wasnt a pile of poopoo

[sullen delta]

Hey! Quite new to arms and want to understand the rotation a bit better. When I am on full rage, but mortal strike and whirlwind is on cd, should I prioritize using slam to spend rage, or overpower?

[hazy flower]

Overpower>ww

You dont look at rage bar

Its cosmetic

[sullen delta]

lol

wait is it even above whirlwind?

[hazy flower]

Yes

[sullen delta]

on wowhead it says opposite :/

[hazy flower]

Can u screenshot it

[hazy flower]

Probably outdated

@smoky kayak

[exotic kestrel]

wait what

were still aiming to get 2 whirlwinds in CS right

[hazy flower]

Its a minor dps increase

To hold ww if cd on cs is <7

[exotic kestrel]

Man i wish ToM was dead

[hazy flower]

So I wouldnt worry about it

More detrimental than helpful

[sullen delta]

but is the rest of that prio list correct?

[hazy flower]

P much

[exotic kestrel]

ive honestly not been whirlwinding outside of CS at all.

[sullen delta]

bcs on wowanalyzer it says that overpower is like prio 1 if u have 2 stacks

[misty bridge]

you want to WW outside for the cdr from AM

[sullen delta]

so just wondering which is correct

[misty bridge]

Wowanalyzer isn't updated either for arms last time I checked

[sullen delta]

wait so just gona try to understand: Am i supposed to whirlwind > overpower or not? :D

[misty bridge]

During CS (with TOM) you WW > OP

Outside CS it's OP > WW

[sullen delta]

ah makes sense

thx

and just basically only press slam when there is nothing else to press?

[misty bridge]

Yeah

[sullen delta]

Great, thank you!

Another question if ok. In the m+ build where you have bladestorm with avatar, how do you use that in single target? Is it still a high priority, and do you ever press bladestorm in single target when you play In For the Kill instead of ToM?

[untold aspen]

Any early S4 ST sims just for making up my mind ?

[halcyon breach]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2xMgnMM5Udo8mpn9n3gx8IymKNabO-jg3LnE7LQV_t-EjQPcAzqiDdjztIOwZW/pubhtml

They're still being worked on

But outside of potential tuning, it should be accurate to what it'll look like in S4

Arms is looking very good going into S4, so it wouldn't be entirely unprecedented if it gets nerfed a bit

[gaunt owl]

If we get nerfed because of this after they buff the tier set

Im gonna sandbag forever

[proud plover]

O.o Ty for sims link I'll check that out

See what builds you guys cook with

[gaunt owl]

Sims gonna be updated soon

Crafted gear was 522 as we didnt know it was bugged

[dull siren]

They r updated now

🐀

[gaunt owl]

Thank you @dull siren

[dull siren]

@sage badge inspiried build

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qGUTMkTubfQ81mmYYLQfXj

[gaunt owl]

FoB is alive

[dull siren]

The ST is to shit

331k xdd

[gaunt owl]

oh yeah no Massacre and EP

[drowsy cobalt]

Do you try to line up mbg with collateral with this?

[dull siren]

From time to time ye, But since ur whole DPS kit is in the WW + Op's you can't really hold often.

[dull siren]

This build is also way weaker than any other build

so

[drowsy cobalt]

For some weekly shenanigans only

[boreal quartz]

Whats normal again i forgor

[dull siren]

It's worse than MBG and MBG also sucks ass

[drowsy cobalt]

How bad is losing SoA and puting the point into reaping?

In the jugg build

[daring heron]

reaping just isnt great value

you have plenty of other strong buttons to press

soa also buffs dreadnaught so it's not bad for aoe also

[boreal quartz]

And doing good st is good

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/as8qRDyqxiLbCFoD5pKCBX
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mDN9vUpMw2JvCo5G9Ke8XX
@daring heron

WW diff

[sacred zodiac]

tmy is spreading fake news

[boreal quartz]

Sims above 1 Mil look so cursed

[dull siren]

bring back legion

[gaunt owl]

I can probably put 100 target to make it look bigger

[proud plover]

whats the difference

that looks like soa/imp ss to me

[gaunt owl]

Compare WW number

SoA got 2 more casts and dmg is diff is big 3m

WW is exactly what we need

Big rage dumping big dmg

[wind flicker]

Big rage dump for that ToM window! Oh wait, no ToM in m+ hehe

[proud plover]

i mean imp ss is always better for cleave if things live and soa better for st execute phase - look at slam in both tho...124 damage for zero casts looks suss

[gaunt owl]

Because 10k iteration do this

[proud plover]

dn also hit 20 times more with imp ss

[gaunt owl]

I would still recommend SoA

As its not a big loss for AOE

[wind flicker]

ISS in Ruby tho

[proud plover]

depends on key level imo, if packs last for a full imp ss its great

[gaunt owl]

If you compare with dslice SoA value skyrocket

[wind flicker]

We're already playing SoA over ISS in current tier, don't see how that will magically change tbh

[halcyon breach]

It'd likely change on a per-dungeon basis which you use

ISS as you mentioned in Ruby, but likely also in Brackenhide at least for first boss value

[wind flicker]

Nah brackenhide i don't see how you'd ever play ISS tbh

The only value you get is on first boss, thats it

[gaunt owl]

Lets agree to disagree

I recommend SoA for more ST

[halcyon breach]

I'll personally just play SoA regardless since feelwise it's better during Execute 🤷‍♂️

[gaunt owl]

But more AoE can be required

[halcyon breach]

And it works in both ST and AoE

Even if a dungeon ends up being slightly ahead with ISS

[gaunt owl]

Good CD and pull is whats gonna do the diff anyway

[quasi torrent]

don't you need ISS for last boss to get SS on both totems?

[daring heron]

I've been doing SoA everywhere tbh for more ST/prio w/o much aoe loss

but if anda is right about brack last boss totems i might go imp sweep there

was fury season so didnt play arms there

[proud plover]

rage gen in execute from soa is going to be big

and the extra crit from tier

just all plays well

[quasi torrent]

i honestly dont remember, but just regular SS feels short

[halcyon breach]

I didn't really play in S2, but how important was cleave on hyena boss

[daring heron]

not really important

[quasi torrent]

if u bait traps correctly

literally 0

[halcyon breach]

fair fair

[hazy flower]

^

I did some sims and the higher the targwt count the lower the gap between imp ss and soa

And soa is ahead in st

Imp ss definitely feels nicer to play but for now im sticking with soa in every dungeon both weeks

[tiny burrow]

what is: MBG Cleave arms build?

might be merciless bone talent..

[dreamy egret]

hmm I wonder if we are going to go back to belt boot embellishment for s4

[obsidian topaz]

omg arms is so squishy

is there anything I'm missing? Ive got spell reflect, Ignore Pain, def stance

is there a list of parry mechanics in keys?

[halcyon breach]

Arms is squishier* than Fury

But it's still tanky

[obsidian topaz]

oh I guess parry is 30% DR

[halcyon breach]

yes

Fury also have near permanent 10% DR to everything from Warpaint as long as they're enraged, compared to Arms only having permanent 10% avoidance

[daring heron]

more health too

[halcyon breach]

On top of a smaller health pool, and typically not as high vers as Fury has

You just gotta be more preemptive with your personal use as Arms, compared to Fury

[daring heron]

but yeah, what banezi said

[halcyon breach]

what critcake said

[wind flicker]

God i love academy

😂

[boreal quartz]

Why would we

Fake ass spell

[rare kite]

aug and PI tho

[fresh spire]

Fury ez mode

[gaunt owl]

MBG padding

The police is coming

🚨🚔🚨

[zenith warren]

Fury also runs like 25% vers this patch

So 20% dmg reduction at all times with war paint

[smoky kayak]

The hold WW for CS thing rarely ever comes up, something like 4 times a simulation; the line is really just there to catch awkward situations

For all intents and purposes with how often CS is up, you’re basically using WW on CD @sullen delta

[smoky kayak]

No, you just gotta use them more liberally and preemptively than Fury

[visual fern]

@gloomy mirage @ nyc/nj/pa nice 4.8 quake

[wind flicker]

I would never 👀

Was juggernauth st build kugh

[gloomy mirage]

DUDE ARE YOU OK

I THOUGHT MY OLD ASS BUILDING WAS FALLING DOWN

LOL

i also live on the fourth floor ig i felt it more than ppl on the 1st though

[visual fern]

Hit thunderclap irl mb

[gloomy mirage]

ur thunderclap too big...

[halcyon breach]

Must've had crackling thunder talented

[visual fern]

Woke my ass up from my nap

[gloomy mirage]

gm

[halcyon breach]

Garms always cooking up new builds

[visual fern]

I thought it was a vivid dream

[gloomy mirage]

i thought it was a truck passing by and then the shaking didn't stop lmfao

[visual fern]

Grandma calls me "world is ending, we have a quake!"

[gloomy mirage]

LMAO

[visual fern]

Thankfully no aftershocks... (yet)

Back to scheduled programmming

[gloomy mirage]

it's 11am 😭

[halcyon breach]

gn

[gloomy mirage]

how can it be nap time

[daring heron]

?

[visual fern]

🪦

[finite mantle]

time to eep

[visual fern]

Work hrs be rough, don't judge me....

[gloomy mirage]

gn garm

[sullen delta]

Ah alright, thanks!

[smoky kayak]

I can’t speak for wowanalyzer btw, idk who (if anyone) is currently maintaining it

I’ve been approached about it a few times, but I quite frankly don’t have time for that noise. A few other people have picked it up but not ever really stuck with

[gloomy mirage]

iirc it doesn't even have all of the current talents coded in yet

[obsidian topaz]

I'd take aftershock back

[gloomy mirage]

i think someone edited some of it a few months ago but it's so barebones that it's just a ton of work to get it remotely up to date

[smoky kayak]

People like the idea of doing these things until they have to do them for awhile and then tend to bow out pretty quickly when they realize how much effort it really is

Not just WoWA, but true of most community projects

[warped ether]

Yeah the commitment to the game is already a lot for most people

I can’t imagine how much commitment it is to do wowhead

Or wowanalyzer etc.

I’m guessing You don’t get paid for it either archi

[smoky kayak]

I think at one point they did start paying their major contributors, but I really have no idea

Like I said, I’ve never actually worked on the project

[warped ether]

Yeah figured

[dry frost]

Anyone been rocking some PTR arms? What we thinking?

[hazy flower]

Its good

Not bis

But strong

[dry frost]

I was thinking of mainswapping back to warrior this season

I swapped off war S2 to go rogue cause of the rework but honestly the Assa rework being almost entirely based on Kingsbane is cringe and ruined the spec for me

[smoky kayak]

I wouldn't base the decision on the state of tuning at this stage

[wind flicker]

I have, its big

[smoky kayak]

S4 Arms is kinda whackamole, but its a fun playstyle and performing really well (probably overperforming tbh)

[wind flicker]

Shhh!

[smoky kayak]

I mean it is what it is; can never really guess how Blizz is gonna decide to tune

[dry frost]

I have just been enjoying arms since I learned it in S2 for experiments

I only played fury before then, don’t like the annhil build so been on arms most of the season

[visual fern]

https://tenor.com/view/genia-gif-4829126

[dry frost]

At least when I play my war

[visual fern]

Denathrius perfect fight for arms

But the tuning....

[gaunt owl]

number are fake

[smoky kayak]

all numbers are fake

[dry frost]

Real

[gaunt owl]

we made them up !

would feel shitty getting hit by the nerf bat

when they buff tier set

tier set power is just through the roof

[smoky kayak]

Feels like they looked at how the tier set performed at the time and didn't consider all the other buffs Arms had gotten since then

but yes, it was a very big buff to the tier

[rare kite]

actually hilarious how much they buffed the ALREADY strong tier

[gaunt owl]

we got so many buff on MS

like 3 times ?

Execute maybe got one buff ?

and 15% aura since start of DF ?

iirc

[gaunt owl]

i hope they buff the underperforming one to our lvl

[dry frost]

Early sims suggest rogues will still run nick even at 515

No escape from DoTi

[gaunt owl]

the curse of offhand weapon

[dry frost]

Fr

[gaunt owl]

when you have an effect on them its just strong as fuck

[smoky kayak]

doesn't help when the effect is strong af either

[dry frost]

I Hope they nerf it so I don’t have to see that dungeon ever again

[smoky kayak]

Funny enough, this season would actually have a lot of SMF options, but sidelined by the legendary upgrade

[dry frost]

Yeah kinda sad, cause like breath build frost and SMF were killed cause of leggo

[gaunt owl]

it was 🤏🏻 this close

i would have loved watching the SMF shitshow happend

[dry frost]

Has SMF ever been competitive?

[smoky kayak]

SMF only killed cause it never should have been in the first place

[dry frost]

Lmao

[smoky kayak]

I mean... in like MoP, but not to a really appreciable degree
it was ever so slightly better in ST, but all the best weapons were 2h anyway

[dry frost]

So not since I started playing

I started mid S1 SL

[smoky kayak]

Well SMF didn't exist in Legion, BfA, or SL

[dry frost]

I see

[gaunt owl]

if it was a tmog option

every SMF enjoyer would be happy

blizzard just cant find the technology

now i want them to remove the Condemn animation tied into Massacre

i'm sick of this Obliterate animation repurposed with a red thingy

[smoky kayak]

it's not about tech, Blizz just doesn't wanna do it

I've been suggesting the tmog option since MoP/WoD

[gaunt owl]

so 12 years ago ?

oh shit

[smoky kayak]

I mean it wasn't as big a deal then, since talents weren't influenced, but it's been a long running thing

[gaunt owl]

you suggest it since the tmog option was introduced then

[smoky kayak]

It kinda went away in legion since blizz just straight up removed SMF, but then returning it in DF brougt the issue back to the fore

[smoky kayak]

tmog was actually introduced in Cata

[gaunt owl]

why do i only remember in MoP?

[smoky kayak]

it was toward the end of Cata, DS patch

[hazy flower]

It definitely was in cata

I played on privates

And they all had it

“Blizzlike”

[smoky kayak]

lol "end" you know, introduced in the patch that lasted 64 years

as I recall, there wasn't much of a fight about 1h vs 2h in MoP or WoD, but a big stink was made at the start of Legion development when everything went 2h-only

issue kinda died down for awhile, until SL for some reason, there was a new thread every day about it on the official forums

[gaunt owl]

so many weird takes on official forums

i watched some posts 2 days ago

and i dont really play the same game as some people

[rare kite]

as most people. majority of wow players are extremely casual

[gaunt owl]

just look at this shit

i cant

[smoky kayak]

I mean Fury could sustain occasional use of IP, but it would absolutely ruin the rotational flow

[rare kite]

arms outsustaining fury, i wish

[smoky kayak]

and Arms outsustaining Fury is just 🤔

maybe with 3x as much leech

[hazy flower]

Arms

[gaunt owl]

just the first line

[hazy flower]

Kekw

[gaunt owl]

if Fury has IP i wouldnt mind

fair enough

[raven ivy]

Can we get heroic strike back

[latent moss]

arms outsustaining fury :xdd:

[gaunt owl]

it was a class spell more than a spec spell

[hazy flower]

Arms needs to prepare

For 15 seconds

To survive hits

Fury passively survives

[latent moss]

u shouldve sandbagged arms

[hazy flower]

Xd

[latent moss]

go ruin the apl say there was a bug and make us sim for 410k

[hazy flower]

• heal

[hazy flower]

Warlock experience

[smoky kayak]

I'd still rather just put more emphasis on DStance than clutter things further with IP

[hazy flower]

right into s3

They “found”

Apl for lock

[gaunt owl]

make it stronger but how without making it too good ?

[hazy flower]

That made them sim extra 20k

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vTmHMYAdviVqYLxdEU7bmu @latent moss

fixed it

[smoky kayak]

like the last time we discussed it, just tweaking the cooldown would probably be enough

and while IP is pretty free right now, there's no gaurantee the rage economy stays this high (for either spec) - in fact, it being so high is a commonly cited issue, so the smart bet is on it being reduced

[gaunt owl]

yeah but i mean how to put more power into Dstance without making it really too stronk ?

because its free swapping anyway

[smoky kayak]

DStance is already really strong, the issue is that people just don't like to use it because of the percieved impact of being stuck in DS instead of Battle

so adjusting that would seem to be the logical solution

[latent moss]

pin it everywhere and complain about arms

[gaunt owl]

have you seen what i did ?

[latent moss]

no

[gaunt owl]

i put in Spiteful Serenity

[latent moss]

good

[gaunt owl]

spread this sims on other class discord

first one to snitch get stitches

[dire hinge]

lmfao

just a small 29k difference it's fine

[gaunt owl]

if we get nerf because of this

i sandbag

so hard next time

[hazy flower]

Pressing d stance in avatar feels ass

Pressing d stance otherwise is w.e

Either way press it

10% dmg loss even for 5sec is not impactful

[dire hinge]

90% throughput and living through something 👌

[smoky kayak]

Blizz doesn't base their tuning off sims; especially not early PTR ones - they'll look at them occasionally, but very rarely and usually only to analyze specific issues (like X button has fallen out of the rotation or Y buff is being cancelled)

could argue that maybe they should pay more attention to early sims, but they're very aware of the propensity for unrealistic sims (in either direction) to affect things, not to mention that most classes simply don't update at the same rate

[gaunt owl]

time to do the APL of other class just to mess with everybody

[smoky kayak]

lotta people do APL for multiple classes, or at least used to

but not every class is as easy as Warrior either, once you start getting into specific DoT timing, it gets way more complicated

[gaunt owl]

yeah i've watched some other APL

and they do have some cursed stuff to align and maximize output

[smoky kayak]

Warrior is legit probably the easiest class to do APL for lol, everything is fairly straightforward

Pet classes are fucking cursed

[dire hinge]

doesnt feral still have snapshotting too

[smoky kayak]

I'm not sure... they did for a time

[gaunt owl]

they still has

[rare kite]

yes, only class that still has them(get out of here with the warrior tech ppaw)

assa rogue had snapshotting before their rework in 10.2

[gaunt owl]

we could have snapshotting if our mastery was still a bleed only

[smoky kayak]

game is better off without snapshotting tbh

[gaunt owl]

yeah clearly its not healthy for gameplay

[smoky kayak]

it can be fun in specific situations where it works out in your favor, but it's overall just such a PITA to manage

[grave cedar]

Does being assigned to the 1st mythic Nymue add lower anybody else's parses? I feel like mine just dropped ever since I got switched to the first one

[rare kite]

not done nymue as arms but as fury i was on first add and got a 99% parse

[dire hinge]

i only really messed with it when i was doing competitive d3 monk pushing a many years ago, but man if you lost your snapshot you just bricked the run and logged off, wasn't fun to play around whatsoever

[smoky kayak]

I don't see why it should, other than maybe missing monk buff when previously you had it on a different set?

[grave cedar]

Okay I guess I just suck

[smoky kayak]

Yeah D3 had/has some really janky tech

[dire hinge]

you can link logs in the #449510248579858432 and we can try and spot if there's any opportunities for improvement though!

[smoky kayak]

never underestimate people's ability to min/max the fun out of things!

[grave cedar]

I did for my Fyrakk kill last week and it was very helpful. Still working on some things 🙂

[dire hinge]

there's at least one warrior in the top 10 who was assigned to first add you can look over, if it's any help to see their timings of things
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/T8vVnmdaPRWGhMFB#fight=36&type=damage-done&source=8

[grave cedar]

Overall my parses in 10.2.5 have dropped significantly since 10.2, which is pretty frustrating

[grave cedar]

Oh he just straight up holds Avatar on the mythic add

Guess it just dies too fast for his guild to have value?

[rare kite]

i did the same as fury, didn't use cds on first add

[dire hinge]

possibly, theirs is dying in 20-ish seconds

[timber lynx]

Still has snapshotting

[dire hinge]

the downside to doing direct comparisons is that the rest of the team is also there, also pumping, so mileage might vary with your team

[rare kite]

on what? exsanguinate had snapshotting but that got reworked

[timber lynx]

Nightstalker

[dire hinge]

it is a 5min fight though, and if 30 seconds is making or breaking your parse, there may be oportunities within the add, or within the other 4:30 of the fight to look at

[timber lynx]

10% extra damage on abilities from stealth

[rare kite]

wait that affects the entire dot?

[timber lynx]

yes

[rare kite]

crazy

[timber lynx]

You really only care about it with garrote but yeah

[smoky kayak]

Everyone please welcome and congratulate @halcyon breach and @dire hinge as our newest 🟨 Stormforged

[timber lynx]

Gratz!

[dire hinge]

[grave cedar]

[calm acorn]

@visual fern

[gaunt owl]

@dire hinge @halcyon breach cute color where did you get this ?

[dire hinge]

it came to me in a dream

[halcyon breach]

[rare kite]

hrothy, you going for CE tww now that you have the serious color? @dire hinge

[hexed saddle]

i think u mean wawi

[dire hinge]

likely not, the guild I play with is very mythic-casual. We get how far we get and I help our dps learn their specs a bit better. It works for my personal life needs atm, and I'm happy enough

possibly in the future though

[rare kite]

iirc you killed brood on mythic, was that with the same guild?

[dire hinge]

yuppers!

lots of roster changes since then, for better or worse, but our focus is mostly on just vibin

[rare kite]

ye then depending on the tier you can get CE

[dire hinge]

oh for sure, i think sark was in the bag if we had another few weeks, but we ran a light roster that tier and had a few folks with life emergencies

[rare kite]

this tiers a bit rough, stupidly hard tier

[dire hinge]

yeah, quite a steep difficulty curve on the final 2

[mighty prawn]

can some one please explain the usage of thunderclap vs rend, on most guides I see rend not used and dot applied via thunderclap regardles of whether the case is for single or multitarget, I am confused 😄

[rare kite]

remove rend from bars

press only tc

[mighty prawn]

thank you 🙂

[visual fern]

There is like

1 niche case ever I would use rend and it's maybe at best .0000000001% dps gain

Tl;dr doesn't matter

[hazy flower]

opener u mean

[visual fern]

Yah

[hazy flower]

I like to press it in the opener

I feel edgy

[visual fern]

Charge rend ms lego

[hazy flower]

and good

for first 3 globals

[visual fern]

That's it

[latent moss]

charge rend leggo or charge rendms leggo depending on group

and when they lust

cause sometimes they wait like 3 seconds for no reason

annoying

[dire hinge]

just press drums if they're too slow, ezpz

they'll learn fast

[olive nest]

Whats a stormforged

[hexed saddle]

idiot in a different colour

[dire hinge]

valid

[hexed saddle]

(they know what they're talking about)

[wary raft]

woah lots of new colored name gratz yall

[dire hinge]

thanks friend

[wary raft]

[olive nest]

Gz guys, always helping the warriors

[gaunt owl]

im there to keep them in check anyway

[visual fern]

Is true

I dm ppaww for checks on the reg lately

[olive nest]

"Paw, why is my custom apl not working"

[latent moss]

paw if i send 2 ms instead of 2 exe in cs window right before 30% hp and i still have fatality procs to proc what do i do?

[gaunt owl]

push buttons

something good is bound to happen

[latent moss]

"ye but i found out that 2ms instead of 2exe in that particular timing is 0.006% more dps overall"

[gaunt owl]

time to cook

[latent moss]

fatality and tom optimizations

[gaunt owl]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f7yG7Z1audybaohFs9gGXx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wJE4jZq3b6w2uUGnQLzDCw

get cursed

i'm on the edge of the greatest discovery

wait wasnt i suppose to sandbag

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-sunshine-lebron-james-sunshine-sunshine-lebron-you-are-my-sunshine-you-are-my-sunshine-gif-509896211431970290

[gaunt owl]

i'm gonna make Blazehoof good

wait a seconds

you are in for a shock

[latent moss]

blazehoof was good in s1 no?

cause of the tom interaction

[dull siren]

i made it good in s1

[fringe moon]

Blazehoof only felt good in s1 because we lacked stats and the high haste was what we needed. imo

[gaunt owl]

trinket is juiced up

big haste big str

and big dmg in the end

[magic canopy]

It's arms time

[proud plover]

we really playing EB in s4?

[gaunt owl]

on pure ST

and 2T bosses

Bloodborne is more reliable dmg

but EB can proc at the right time and it's fun

the difference between the 2 isn't that much

[proud plover]

how do w see how many timees it procced inn tose sims

[gaunt owl]

like this i guess

its not showing the proc in the report

[proud plover]

haha i wnt straight for buff /proc data didnt evnn look at that

ty

[visual fern]

[gaunt owl]

20%

[teal fossil]

Holy shit did eb scale

In s1 eb was just simming worse than bb in every way

[gaunt owl]

its barely ahead

[rare kite]

well they buffed the tierset, so that prob pushed eb slightly ahead

[proud plover]

sims busted

[latent moss]

holy

[gaunt owl]

you want to change that ?

[latent moss]

nice apl

[gaunt owl]

wait it cant be

i have it to prevent this

[latent moss]

just make it not press it in cs

[gaunt owl]

i did

[latent moss]

although in exe it always feels bad to press

[gaunt owl]

he not using my APL

default one doesnt have that failsafe

iirc

[latent moss]

now thats what u call sandbagging

[crimson charm]

The default APL just sends it as highest prio no matter what

[visual fern]

Imagine a world where

FyrAxe scaled off CS and ToM

Warrior might actually be good!

[latent moss]

big overlap

leggo

[proud plover]

the dream right there

[latent moss]

wow u described demolish

[visual fern]

Like it does with ret cds!

(Kinda)

[latent moss]

the crit part

right

idk its weird that wings gives stats

[visual fern]

Yah crit from wings

[crimson charm]

It scales with Crit and Vers (and slightly with haste, if you count the hasted channel)

[visual fern]

Battle cry (old reck) used to give 100% crit rate to the warrior, same as wings

[latent moss]

battle cry

[boreal quartz]

s2 stick being better for ret than us made me so smadge

[visual fern]

Now it gives 20% crit rate to abilities

[proud plover]

should scale with our tier crit then right

[latent moss]

hmm

not sure

[latent moss]

does it work with impale

if it crits