thanks @dire hinge 🫶
#arms
finite spire
dire hinge
of course, good luck out there!
hasty thunder
Alright! Thanks for answering, I just had that doubt why people chose that bonus over the rest 😄
smoky kayak
S3 had the best gameplay, S1 has the best synergy, S2 had the best participation (it tried real hard)
gaunt owl
it feels all the same
smoky kayak
idk it's not quite the same, S1(4)'s rotation is a lot more hectic
shadow ibex
most of my hate from s3 comes from waiting for a fuckin buff we all knew was needed
frigid lava
No leggo for this guy this week :0
gaunt owl
i really hate this S3 tier set after playing it too much
hasty thunder
Also cause I finally won the freaking shoulders from garrosh and they look just SAVAGE for orc warriors..
gaunt owl
the juggy stack dropping and the chain back to back proc out of nowhere
shadow ibex
i really hate this S3 tier set after playing it too much
i hate getting a SD proc while boss is doing an aoe nuke i cant be next to him
dire hinge
i really hate this S3 tier set after playing it too much
i am excited to free my ears of the cash register procs
shadow ibex
munching stacks no thanks
getting x2 SD procs while ol buddy is casting dream rend
fuck around give me a 30 yard range execute please and ty
shadow ibex
making it like killing machine would be good
but that would require someone in charge to play an arms warrior
and see oh man this is kinda clunky innit?
shadow ibex
instructions unclear, here's spiteful serenity randomly
shadow ibex
i cant believe someone thought of that. if only they asked for feedback instead of just throwing literal shit at the wall
gaunt owl
and they didnt even acknowledge that one
shadow ibex
we woke up one day and it just existed
unborn canyon
Lol
shadow ibex
"here's a talent that's just the talent on the same node, reworded"
and worse
idk thats the shit that really tilts me. if you just read AM tooltip and spiteful, the CS part is just strictly worse and no one caught that
while also having things like warlord torment that makes more casts of CS better it just smacks of someone justifying their position one afternoon
unborn canyon
gaunt owl
far too many buff and interaction, swap out 1 thing and everything crumbles
unborn canyon
Man, if only we had someone who justified the opinion that arms should have 8 yd melee range cause they use a giant sword
gaunt owl
bring back all melee back to melee range
unborn canyon
See ashkandur for why it's low key dumb, the sword is like 7 ft long
gaunt owl
and just make boss hitbox better
unborn canyon
True
gaunt owl
Crawg on PTR
shadow ibex
i for one love needing to pick up .5-1% dps increase in my class tree because there's nothing else to take 
(fuck sidearm)
gaunt owl
had his hitbox so big you could be far away
unborn canyon
Lol
hasty thunder
bring back all melee back to melee range
Agree
shadow ibex
big hitbox is blessing and curse cuz then u get weird shit where u cant charge
cuz they too close
gaunt ginkgo
Be like SV hunter where your gap closer can either not work or bring you to the center of Fyrakk's hitbox, and you have to guess which
shadow ibex
charging in melee cuz it had no min range bug free juggernaut buff
dire hinge
Be like SV hunter where your gap closer can either not work or bring you to the ...
the amount of fall damage you take as SV 💀
i did have a charge that routed poorly on smolderon and had me zigzag all over the platform and it ran me through my orb early, that was cool
unborn canyon
That sucks, but I do love some of the jank charges the game does
dire hinge
it's infrequent enough it's funny
gaunt ginkgo
Hookshot on SV brings you to the center of Volc's pool xD
smoky kayak
Be like SV hunter where your gap closer can either not work or bring you to the ...
Crushing Blow auto-charge?! 🤣
unborn canyon
Oh god
smoky kayak
you got used to it pretty quick, but yeah it was pretty cursed in Sanctum since a lot of fights had small swirls and shit to dodge in melee
unborn canyon
Was funny in pvp tho
finite mantle
thats why i couldnt play fury in SL
skill issue
gaunt owl
you got me
sharp wyvern
fyrakk reclear got a 69 rank pls let it stay
gaunt owl
nice
gaunt owl
how boring it is now with the nerf ?
boreal quartz
i mean i didnt see p3 with guild once
so it was new to me
but p1 and p2 turbo piss
nothing happens
@gaunt owli had 83% crit phial while trolling so if ur clean u have nada damage intake
gaunt owl
median oracle
Does SS interact with cleave at all anymore or no?
steep osprey
No
median oracle
ty
vague nova
So i have the axe but havent done any of the quests for it, in s4 can you get it without doing all of them? cba to quest again for 10 hours
boreal quartz
rare kite
So i have the axe but havent done any of the quests for it, in s4 can you get it...
you don't get the axe again in s4, get a thing that upgrades it
vague nova
So for people who dont get it this season they cant have it for next season?
rare kite
they can, but if you already have it you don't have to get it again
wind flicker
you don't get the axe again in s4, get a thing that upgrades it
U can still get it, but u can also get an upgrade token
(incase you already have it)
median oracle
I'm saving my evoker lego quest that i got at the end of S2 to turn in on week 2 of season 4, hoping blizz is so lazy they wont think of it and I'll just get the quest reward at 502 lol
rare kite
U can still get it, but u can also get an upgrade token
ye that's what i meant, he just said he already has the axe. he just haven't done the quests for it
wind flicker
Yeah i saw it after ur second message ^^
median oracle
I would hold the axe quest turnin for next season tbh unless you're still progging on the off chance that they don't change the quest at all and you can get it without upgrading
vague nova
i was hoping in s4 i can just activate the weapon to get the quests (looted axe still in bags) and i wont hgave to do the quests at all lol
gaunt owl
you have to suffer like we did
unborn canyon
They ain't changing it
dire hinge
speculatively, costs might be lower now if you wanna pre-purchase some of your materials for the lego ahead of when folks are mass crafting items during Season 4 start 👀
(this is not legally binding wow economy advice)
gaunt owl
yeah price gonna skyrocket once again
dire hinge
picked up a few flavor pockets since they're 37k in NA atm
just gonna sit on those for season start for myself
gaunt owl
ok thats insanely overprice
dire hinge
i wanna say at season start for S3 they were like 75-90k
insane cost, especially since personal mainstat food is 10g each
if i can flip two of these it covers the cost of the one for myself
¯_(ツ)_/¯
gaunt owl
easy money
dire hinge
yeah, Dec '23 price was 80k, June '23 was 100k
bleak fog
You only get flavor pocket from the weekly cooking Q or?
bleak fog
Might get a few from ah then
gaunt owl
crafting too stronk
wicked aurora
so fucking stupid man
bleak fog
So crafted are the same as m+ then
gaunt owl
yep its not like you will be full geared in 1 week anyway
wicked aurora
like who is asking for these changes
wind flicker
Its actually a pretty decent change imo
bleak fog
Fun fact… my highest weapon excluding leggo is crafted
wind flicker
Being able to craft higher Ilvl than what u can get from end of dungeon / hc is a bit too op
Imo
bleak fog
Have not seen a single 2h in vault
gaunt owl
you get 1 craft every 2 weeks
its so slow to gear up with crafting gear
its basically only relevant for the 2 embellishment
wind flicker
It stacks up tho
gaunt owl
in 3 weeks you gonna be full geared pretty much
latent moss
its basically only relevant for the 2 embellishment
and jewellery
rotund ferry
Those that looted axe don't need to loot it again in S4 ?
wicked aurora
Being able to craft higher Ilvl than what u can get from end of dungeon / hc is ...
how is it too OP???
brother I have like 5 crafted items
2 embellishments and then jewelry because having the right jewelry drop is aids
latent moss
i use 2 crafted items rn
gaunt owl
and u can put ur flavor pocket
yeah but thats kind of QOL when you are mostly done gearing
latent moss
yeah but thats kind of QOL when you are mostly done gearing
y
i mean crafted rings are really good
outer holly
i wanna say at season start for S3 they were like 75-90k
They practically doubled in price after some whale bought up the entire market one weekend, sad day for all
wind flicker
brother I have like 5 crafted items
5 crafted items is pretty much half ur gear, proving my point
gaunt owl
after 14 weeks of a season, you only have 7 craft you can do
gaunt owl
so season is pretty much over by then
latent moss
y
wicked aurora
5 crafted items is pretty much half ur gear, proving my point
it's under half
gaunt owl
and feel like shit because of RNG
wind flicker
Hence the "pretty much"
wicked aurora
2 of which are embellishments which everyone is gonna have
and we're how late into the season?
wind flicker
Im more interested in people actually having to play the game to gear up rather than getting it thrown in their lap as a participation medal
But thats my take on it
gaunt owl
you have people buying fucking boost from Echo and Liquid to get full gear mythic
while being AFK
wind flicker
no brain take lmfao
And that is where my conversation with you ends
wicked aurora
excessive crafted items only becomes a problem late into the season
smoky kayak
no brain take lmfao
idk what we're talking about, but maybe take it down a notch
gaunt owl
but crafting is a big nono
wind flicker
If you cant talk with respect then its pointless
wicked aurora
And that is where my conversation with you ends
no it's just a stupid take, crafted items being too ubiquitous only becomes a "problem" well after gearing is over
gaunt owl
this season after 3 weeks i was done with gearing give or take
wind flicker
Opinions differ, no need to insult me for it
gaunt owl
i'm sitting on so many crafting spark
its useless
the way we have crafting
1 max ilvl item every 2 weeks would be fine
wicked aurora
I could go craft like 10 items or something on my evoker that I haven't touched all season
and is still 440
unborn canyon
Crafting items good for alts
wicked aurora
but I'd have to actually play the game and farm crests for it requiring me to play the game
unborn canyon
wicked aurora
so in both cases
your opinion is based on an assumption that you don't have to play the game and just get free gear which isn't how it works
gaunt owl
and gearing this way would help the lower lvl guilds too
dire hinge
I would love to see crests get their drops increased for alts, similar to how rep works, after you hit breakpoints like “dreaming of wyrms” and whatnot.
The crest grind on alts is quite time consuming.
wicked aurora
I would love to see crests get their drops increased for alts, similar to how re...
hey but you don't have to play the game and just get participation trophies though
bleak fog
But it’s 3 I lvls and same for all
dire hinge
Don’t rope me into that take, I’m just saying I like alts and it’s quite a time investment to gear more than a few of them
gaunt owl
all the grind required to get an alt up and ready is too much
wicked aurora
not really roping you into it, just illustrating how legless the take is
rare kite
i don't want crafted to be almost as good as the best gear in the game. glad they are nerfing them
wind flicker
My take stays the same, I think it's a good thing that u don't get higher than end of dungeon / hero track ilvl from crafting it which also gives u stats of choice
dire hinge
TWW had a big focus on one player earning things, not characters earning things. Would love to see that kindness extended to alt gearing. Still gotta play the game, but playing as much as my main per alt is steep.
gaunt owl
lets hope the Warbound item gonna solve some of those issue
wicked aurora
My take stays the same, I think it's a good thing that u don't get higher than e...
it was already worse than BiS items outside of embellishments
gaunt owl
but its probably just gonna be small catch up item
wicked aurora
it's just extra protection from poor RNG
dire hinge
Early deterministic loot is nifty
wind flicker
it was already worse than BiS items outside of embellishments
Doesnt change the fact that ur getting higher than hero track gear from just doing a weekly quest now and then and getting some crests
wicked aurora
Early deterministic loot is nifty
real
dire hinge
I could dig on that
wicked aurora
Doesnt change the fact that ur getting higher than hero track gear from just doi...
I've gotten all my sparks outside of early on from killing bosses and doing content 🙂
latent moss
i want to be 490 but i cant cause of embellishments and its pissing me off
wicked aurora
i want to be 490 but i cant cause of embellishments and its pissing me off
real
wind flicker
I've gotten all my sparks outside of early on from killing bosses and doing cont...
And it still gives u 486 ilvl with stats of ur choice
Which is still higher than hero track
wicked aurora
Maybe you should tell blizz to have good rings drop for me then
unborn canyon
Still need to do keys or raid for crests to get 486
gaunt owl
i've been so unlucky with rings i had to craft mine to have relevant ones
wicked aurora
i've been so unlucky with rings i had to craft mine to have relevant ones
same
wind flicker
Maybe you should tell blizz to have good rings drop for me then
Just you having bad RNG doesnt mean the game has to be to ur liking. I didnt get the leggo till 15 weeks in. Do they need to change the game for me now too?
wicked aurora
at least I get flavor pocket out of it
unborn canyon
i've been so unlucky with rings i had to craft mine to have relevant ones
Same
unborn canyon
Just you having bad RNG doesnt mean the game has to be to ur liking. I didnt get...
They literally did
wicked aurora
Just you having bad RNG doesnt mean the game has to be to ur liking. I didnt get...
they've changed the game multiple times to lessen poor RNG
unborn canyon
They literally changed the game for you to get that Lego guaranteed at 15 weeks
wind flicker
Not getting the rings u want, is easily solveable
wicked aurora
Vault, Tier, Lego BLP
gaunt owl
you cant defend or justify that
visual fern
this season after 3 weeks i was done with gearing give or take
Didn't play first week cuz exams
I was almost 482 by start of week 3 raid
bleak fog
Hey let’s just log on day one and get full bis in mail
wicked aurora
At least it won't matter much this next season considering it looks like we'll have a lot more Dinars to spend
Oh wait
You can just buy BiS by doing a weekly quest
gaunt owl
the real question is how many dinar will we acquire
rare kite
You can just buy BiS by doing a weekly quest
it's a joke season, shitty comparison
wicked aurora
it's a joke season, shitty comparison
I wonder if he won't play then
since everyone will just be able to willy nilly buy bis
for very little effort
unborn canyon
Joke season, just like every season, we're the clowns being laughed at by blizz for playing warrior
wicked aurora
Joke season, just like every season, we're the clowns being laughed at by blizz ...
nah man Arms is gonna own
gaunt owl
dont tell blizzard
unborn canyon
Like fury in SL S3
gaunt owl
the number arent real
unborn canyon
gaunt owl
when i close my eyes i dont see them so they arent real
sage badge
Arms owns
unique kindle
@eternal current
eternal current
i made engineering goggles what do i put in red tinker socket
what do i put in these googles
boreal quartz
you can put a combat res in but nothing arena relevant iirc
ask in #pvp worse case
eternal current
what can i put in it for pve and does anyone have a good mythic + spec i can paste
and thank you for taking the time to help me out
dire hinge
for pve builds you can refer to the WoWhead guide, which has a few different builds + explanations available to you
wind flicker
what can i put in it for pve and does anyone have a good mythic + spec i can pas...
BcEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQplIRkQSiWpkEAAAAQQEiCJBFRAJIJhmEhAEEJAAAAAAAAkolICIENEA
This is the most used build for arms in m+ currently
eternal current
nice cause i need to master arms again i rather stick to arms all the way over doing fury for pve
boreal quartz
what can i put in it for pve and does anyone have a good mythic + spec i can pas...
for pve you add these: https://www.wowhead.com/item=201409/tinker-arclight-vital-correctors
wind flicker
You preferably don't want it on your helm however
eternal current
is there a stat cap
prisma heart
i think its too early to freak about crafted gear nerf because we are 100% getting more than three dinar items, it might be uncapped. like, they have a vendor full of cosmetics you buy with dinar (100s of cosmetic recolors so theres no way they expect you to just buy them with alts). would you take a -6 crafted ilvl to get uncapped dinar ? we are going 2 be a lot stronger and not miss the crafted gear imo maybe the first week or two only
dire hinge
just follow sims (raidbots), dont worry about stat breakpoints 👍
eternal current
like in pvp there is a vers cap i want to max and min stats
wind flicker
like in pvp there is a vers cap i want to max and min stats
In M+ its way simpler, just follow the sim ^^
Till you hit very high keys, then you might want to go against the sim by adding more vers. Or selecting lower ilvl gear with more avoidance for example
smoky kayak
what can i put in it for pve and does anyone have a good mythic + spec i can pas...
if you go to the WH talent calculator, under Load / Export builds, there are templates for most of the major played builds atm
this button
eternal current
wow thank you guys i have alot of homework and sim can i get that from curseforge?
dire hinge
yeah, curseforge will have an addon called "SimulationCraft". It adds a button to your minimap you can click to get access to a big text block that contains your character information (or you can just run /simc in chat).
You take this block of text and past it into Raidbots.com
smoky kayak
for simming, you wanna grab this addon from curse (or wherever)
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/simulationcraft
and then go to https://www.raidbots.com/
dire hinge
A good guide on how to do it can be found here:
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050
wicked aurora
i think its too early to freak about crafted gear nerf because we are 100% getti...
even more reason as to why the nerf is silly
smoky kayak
i think its too early to freak about crafted gear nerf because we are 100% getti...
I wouldn't freak about crafted gear nerf regardless, I mean... we're not losing power no matter what
ultimately does it really matter what the crafted ilvl is? I don't really see the big deal
embellishments are certainly going to be stronger than a few extra ilevels anyway
dire hinge
but what if i want to hurt my own feelings over an unnoticeable change
eternal current
awesome thank you ill start setting all this up you guys were very helpful i didnt expect that you guys are overpowered
dire hinge
of course, more than happy to help out. The WoWhead guide does cover a lot of arms questions, but if you find yourself needing any sort of clarity around specific questions most folks are here to help you out 👍 welcome back to arms!
smoky kayak
Precisely what the discord is for
dire hinge
in all my time here i dont think i've ever seen a emoji reaction used in the wild
wicked aurora
in all my time here i dont think i've ever seen a emoji reaction used in the wil...
probably because we can't use them
smoky kayak
it's actually new to the rest of us as well; it wasn't supposed to be revealed yet, but Vel got excited - reactions have been enabled for various discord roles, which will also be expanding over the coming days/weeks
dire hinge
spiffy!
wind flicker
Pog, I'm curious to see what's coming
smoky kayak
we're not going to allow everyone to freely react, as historically that gets out of hand real quickly in a server of this size (see the #announcements channel for an example), but we'll expand it to different groups in waves; this at least allows some people to react and other users to piggyback on those reacts if they so enjoy
wind flicker
It might be me, but i dont see any reactions in welcome 😬
dire hinge
totally understandable there, i have no expectation of it, just neat to see things changing
wind flicker
Very cool idea tho, curious to see what roles you guys will be adding
smoky kayak
whoops, I mean the announcements channel
dire hinge
ah, yeah. When Helldivers 2 launched, watching the emoji reactions flood their updates channel was.... something
the joys of community management
smoky kayak
I mean its fine for relatively static channels like that, or even right now when the game is kinda dead, but yall know how busy these channels get when there's a new season; it can become overbearing real quickly
finite mantle
dire hinge
absolutely, same with the bandwagoning it can create, and a fair amount of potential (un)written bias which can be offputting
smoky kayak
yeah, so we'll just start slow - walk and then run
dire hinge
hell yeah 
wind flicker
is there going to be an announcement on what will be new etc in terms of roles?
smoky kayak
yeah, I mean this is all a WIP, but there'll be stuff in announcements once it officially rolls out
wind flicker
Cool!
proper moth
Do we know if BLP for the axe carries into season 4?
dire hinge
we don't know for certain, as far as im aware, but i would hope it does
i haven't looked into the dinar / Chicken Bouillon system they're implementing for season 4 very directly though. Im unsure if we need to acquire it before upgrading (akin to Shadowlands Hunter Bows) or if we can just purchase it with the currency outright
wind flicker
It's said to be bought as an upgrade token, which would suggest u need the weapon to actually upgrade it
ebon hollow
do we have information about how we get the item to upgrade the legendary next season?
is it from dinars?
versed carbon
any sims channels i wanna see some stuff xD
versed carbon
is it from dinars?
yeah
dire hinge
sim... channels?
versed carbon
yeah
dire hinge
i mean if you run a sim you could post it here and ask questions about it, but we dont have any sort of automated bots for you to run sims via discord chats
dire hinge
ah
versed carbon
tell me xD
dire hinge
you can search in this channel for "simbot" and see what people have posted before
from a few days back, for example
versed carbon
god damm IM no where near
dire hinge
haha, it's okay though, if you have any specific questions about it we can certainly help
versed carbon
ah wait i simd aoe build just sec
dire hinge
looking at your link, it appears you're also simming Single Taget, but your talents are aoe
versed carbon
yeah yeah
dire hinge
ah perfect yeah good catch
versed carbon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8mU9PUoE5PguUC4HPqbpkZ still a bit far but not to bad
dire hinge
better though!
there's a lot of gear opportunities there (ie: Veteran / Champion track items) and gear that hasn't been upgraded fully. that alone will help a lot.
The legendary axe also adds a tremendous amount of damage
just keep chippin' away at it 🫡 💪
versed carbon
i havent killed fyrak in HC not once 😢
i came back from S2 and im not getting invited
sadly
dire hinge
technically you don't need to, it can drop without it, but the higher difficulties do help a lot
versed carbon
i wanted to try and dropmizit but i can't find it F
dire hinge
i can help with that, oneeee second
versed carbon
y i saw the chance chart
dire hinge
so here's what your sim would be if you magically got the lego (and added the helm enchant)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jHhV19qvbb92ea2TT17geL
versed carbon
hmmmm haha thnc y alot man
dire hinge
of course 👍
meager lynx
warriors tier confirmed yet for phase 4?
rancid solstice
Yeah has look of season 2 with set bonus of season 1
outer holly
I'm kinda sad about that, I wanted another tier of being a walking boulder
reef mauve
How much vers y'all running in m+?
sage badge
26%
paper summit
didnt well fed embelishment used to count toward your two back in like season 1 DF?
gloomy summit
no
nova marsh
didnt well fed embelishment used to count toward your two back in like season 1 ...
Flavor has never counted towards the two
paper summit
maybe i just avoided it because it was like 5k. Wonder what it is now.
smoky kayak
lol that would have been cheap
nova marsh
That's chump change for a flavor. try 80k
smoky kayak
shit was like 100k for awhile
paper summit
thats what it cost to add it to a crafted piece now?
nova marsh
No
The csot of the packet itself
Crafting costs vary between what people will accept
paper summit
ill go look after raid, might not be worth getting now though.
warped spade
Got 2 last week, 40k per. I don't know if I'll be running it with new ilvl changes though
nova marsh
GG boys
smoky kayak
congrats
paper summit
grats
warped spade
Grats! I would probably have waited for the patch to see if it was upgraded on its own
That's my tinfoil though
vestal smelt
Is the bladestorm build for tindral a meme? Or like is it just not updated?
It's like they just copy pasted the bladestorm m+ build lol
It still has storm bolt in it lol
vestal smelt
I'm being made to run it on tyndral for roots
paper summit
the end fight to get leggo was actually really fun.
nova marsh
if you need root damage, go fury
nova marsh
the end fight to get leggo was actually really fun.
Deadass
nova marsh
Yes but again
If you need root damage, even without proper gear for fury, you'd be better off tbh
vestal smelt
Yea I tried telling them
nova marsh
Fury's damage profile is just miles ahead of arms's for tindral
You loose minor ST and gain WW and have OF for evrey set of roots
vestal smelt
Full of warriors and the enhance just reckons they don't need WFT
boreal quartz
Pala in wft grp so ye
vestal smelt
Yup
I am trying to get them to move the prot warrior into the group lol
It is not going so well
They're running it now*
minor gust
you can just run WB/IFTK for root dmg as arms BS is a meme
hexed saddle
gz!
frigid lava
I wish
grizzled brook
yo, your breakdown in arms after a key
its really evenly spread right?
or am i playing badge
paper summit
it probably depends on the dungeon. Heavy AOE ones are going to see bladestorm higher etc
grizzled brook
this is my breakdown in a 24 wcm
paper summit
what did you finish the dungeon at? overall?
quaint otter
💪
grizzled brook
so big question i have
if you have say avatar on cd, bladestorm roar and warbreaker up
do you slam those 3 regardless of the avatar
paper summit
yah. Warbreaker is under 30 seconds. Generally you want that with any cd
grizzled brook
okay cool thats what i figured
its kinda like you have a mini burst
and a big burst
paper summit
use sweeping strikes too. ive seen people ignore it completely.
grizzled brook
yeah ive been like going in
charge, thunderclap warbreaker roar avatar bladestorm
quaint otter
You say this with a seigebreaker pfp
siegebreaker was the best happened to fury
grizzled brook
sweeping strikes then normal roto
quaint otter
deathmaker*
opal folio
Hot take, but I respect it
quaint otter
💪
frigid lava
yeah ive been like going in
warbreaker before thunderclap
grizzled brook
so warbreaker as soon as i make contact with the pack
gaunt owl
siegebreaker was the best happened to fury
You mean colossus smash in disguise ?
Damn autocorrect smh mobile discord sux balls
spark socket
Hey,
if anyone has a handy guide for arms at SoD phase 3 I'd be thankful!
quaint otter
You mean colossus smash in disguise ?
more like younger brother
gaunt owl
Same ability icon diff
halcyon breach
Hey,
if anyone has a handy guide for arms at SoD phase 3 I'd be thankful!
I'd check Fight Club for this
Skyhold is mainly just a Retail server
https://discord.gg/RbCZJtw in case you need a link
spark socket
I'd check Fight Club for this
Thanks for letting me know! Still new to discord!
frigid lava
we talking about fight club now?
boreal quartz
Rule 1 bitch
gaunt owl
And Rule number 2
smoky kayak
and rule 7
last tendon
just me or is this trinket batshit crazy on AOE? this is a 30sec test vs 10 targets
ptr testing
paper summit
it was really good back in the day...
looks like its picking up right where it left off
halcyon breach
Boon is good
gaunt owl
High risk trinket
halcyon breach
But the downside of not being able to move is very bad
last tendon
i know u cant move etc, but damn it delivers big dam
finite ginkgo
Way too risky
halcyon breach
You can get other trinkets that perform very well and have no downsides
last tendon
i saw critcake mentioned ominuous\class trinket\augery and the fun combo is torch\beacon.. he didnt mention stormeaters boon
gaunt owl
Because stormeater is too risky to use
quaint otter
i know u cant move etc, but damn it delivers big dam
can u press it with bs?
gaunt owl
For Arms augury wont be the play
gaunt owl
can u press it with bs?
Yeah you can macro it with bladestorm or lego
quaint otter
than its huge
last tendon
ye i could i used #showtooltip Avatar/use Storm-Eater's Boon/cast thunderous roar/cast Avatar
not sure if its the right order but it worked well
boreal quartz
5 more till enrage
smoky kayak
just me or is this trinket batshit crazy on AOE? this is a 30sec test vs 10 targ...
it is insanely good, but you'll die a lot lol
fringe moon
Boon was also so fun to use in m+ AA
last tendon
any info if the badluckprotection rolls over when S4 start? can we farm for the weapon every week in s4?
gaunt owl
Should be the same
cloud dawn
surely next week
if i got a dollar everytime ive read this 💀
wind vault
For Arms augury wont be the play
Why it wont be good for us? Cause I really like it
wind vault
You can look https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2x...
Thank You
daring heron
i saw critcake mentioned ominuous\class trinket\augery and the fun combo is torc...
dont think we'll really use beacon or grief unless it's needed for quick burst such as on totems on last boss brackenhide
and as people have said boon is just too risky, not worth it imo
reef mauve
You can look https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2x...
Arm warrior seems busted next patch of those sims are correct
boreal quartz
Is there no way to break the root?
No
You can shadowstep inside it though
Or blink
boreal quartz
Arm warrior seems busted next patch of those sims are correct
They are correct
gaunt owl
Arms isnt busted
Fury just sux
They buffed both tier set
Would be poor insight If they nerf us after
I just wanna know the tool blizzard use
Its the magic ball of mystery
uncut stag
this legendary literally made me stop playing my plate classses which includes my main Arm.
I dont want to farm HC fyrakk for weeks. I dont want to do few days long(for me it'd be few days) quest chain and I can't play these classes without the lego
great item blizzard
this is the longest I have not played Arms since I started WoW
modest moss
The upgrade isn't that big
If we're gonna be real
Like the class isn't unplayable without it. It's just better with it.
You're still doing what you excel at very well without it. Same with ret etc, the legendary just gives a little bit of sprinkles ontop
uncut stag
I see "mark of fy'ralath" as second damaing ability for people who do have it. and blood dk usually has it as top damage ability
wicked aurora
I see "mark of fy'ralath" as second damaing ability for people who do have it. ...
Uhhhh
modest moss
That's BS
hazy flower
The upgrade isn't that big
Its big but it doesnt stop you from doing real content
wicked aurora
You must not be seeing people pressing their buttons
hazy flower
And for casuals it doesnt make a difference
It youre doing 20’s now, you wont be doing 30’s with lego
Its few %
modest moss
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KRXPgLTFjBycMYCn#fight=32&type=damage-done&source=31 Heroic Fyrrak a few weeks back
It did 2.7% of my damage
wicked aurora
Like it’s under my autos
modest moss
Having signet/Augery is a bigger boost for your class
wicked aurora
Having signet/Augery is a bigger boost for your class
Not if signet doesn’t proc
uncut stag
i was talking about m+ as I dont raid enaugh to get this item
wicked aurora
wicked aurora
i was talking about m+ as I dont raid enaugh to get this item
It’s definitely not 2nd damage in m+
Nor top
modest moss
Uuuh. Let me find that one turbo dumb 18 I did with 2 augs.
gaunt owl
Having signet/Augery is a bigger boost for your class
You dont count the extra ilvl of the weapon?
modest moss
it makes you hit harder yes. But it won't prevent you from doing 25s Hell it won't prevent you from doing 28s etc.
wicked aurora
40kk just for having an orange stick
22k*
quaint otter
ok 22kk for having and 40kk if u press it
modest moss
What
wicked aurora
No
modest moss
Man can't fucking read.
wicked aurora
Lego did 22k period including the active lol
10.2k from the passive, 12.4k from the active
quaint otter
im talking about damage not dps
Vildaari — Today at 11:45
Man can't fucking read.
Vildaari — Today at 11:45
Man can't fucking read.
Vildaari — Today at 11:45
Man can't fucking read.
gaunt owl
The ilvl weapon is the big gain
quaint otter
quaint otter
it makes you hit harder yes. But it won't prevent you from doing 25s Hell it won...
it will i got kicked from parties for not having legs
modest moss
it will i got kicked from parties for not having legs
Sucks to suck.
Just loot it 4head
wicked aurora
You’ll get kicked for pretty much anything these days tbh
gaunt owl
Yep people gatekeeping because no lego
quaint otter
Sucks to suck.
modest moss
Of course they are. People will gatekeep their 18s if you don't bring lust etc.
halcyon breach
Tbf this deep into the patch, if you're doing high ish keys then you would just prefer to pick one of the many other potential warriors/paladins that actually do have the lego
quaint otter
Lust overrated.
halcyon breach
Even if it's cringe as the person who gets declined
ornate eagle
You’ll get kicked for pretty much anything these days tbh
friend has once been kicked cuz he ... did the mechanic
wait so have i
ive been kicked cuz i backup used seed on fyrakk
when the first seed user died
proud plover
ive been called out for using first when someone died then taking another that was on the ground when the other carrier died so i left
"your last bro, dont drop"
uncut stag
this legendary literally made me stop playing my plate classses which includes m...
lol after I wrote this I decided try again pugging HC fyrakk but peple are kicking me out because I dont have lego 🙂
but if I did i wouldn't sign up
even though I have 4 HC fyrak kills from first weeks
ornate eagle
It did 2.7% of my damage
It did a total of 6.7% of your dmg.
- the extra ilvl ontop
Means that weapon did ~17k dps in that kill
not that big btw
ornate eagle
Having signet/Augery is a bigger boost for your class
Also wrong
That augury in your kill you linked did a total of 15.6k dps for a total of 6.6% of your dmg on a crit stick item.
The lack of mainstat on it means it's ~3% less mainstat. For simplicity let's say:
augury in total increased your dmg by 3.6% over a mainstat trinket without a dmg proc
Legendary:
- mark (the passive dot) did 2.7% for 6.1k dps
- rage (the on use) did 4% for 9.3k
Adds up to 6.7% 15.5k from just weapon existing and pressing it at no other opportunity cost
hazy flower
sharp wyvern
Max ilvl augury was 0.8% more DMG in sims than a 389 sandglass for me
ornate eagle
Generally
ornate eagle
Same thing
sharp wyvern
396 augury is worse than a 383 signet
wind flicker
396 augury is worse than a 383 signet <:keks:936231610850897992>
Signet for m+ is a bait, u cant maintain the sim uptime in 9/10 dungeons
sharp wyvern
I only do 18s anyway
ornate eagle
Signets value comes in its overpowered single target damage
And for most keys
You can have it pre-stacked or have it up for the majority of the key
Brh, EB, atal, wcm you can easily have 100% uptime on it
wind flicker
I disagree with you there, its very easy to drop the uptime in a lot of dungeons
BRH after first boss u drop it, after second boss, after scavs, after 3rd boss
wind flicker
EB after gnarl, after protectors, after archmage
uncut stag
You're getting kicked in HC for not having leggo?
yes. maybe they thought "he hasn't killed fyrakk enaugh to have lego so he will suck at mechanics"
ornate eagle
In brh here's how you keep it up
wind flicker
I know how you do it, but its not realistic
Most people pull that soul on the boss\
sharp wyvern
If you don't care about its uptime then its notrelevant to use BIS items anyway
ornate eagle
First boss -> soul at first boss
2nd boss -> you leap instantly after boss dies and run up
3rd boss -> you just walk
wind flicker
First boss -> soul at first boss
2nd boss -> you leap instantly after boss dies ...
2nd boss, u'll lose it because tank is slow, 3rd boss same thing
ornate eagle
What kinda tanks are you playing with?
wind flicker
Like i said. The theory works, but in reality it doesnt
ornate eagle
That's not a good argument
sharp wyvern
What is "reality"
wind flicker
I play 29-30 ish keys
sharp wyvern
And you have slow tanks?
ornate eagle
I keep it up just fine
wind flicker
Guess u have better tanks then i do then
ornate eagle
Like I just pull for the tank if they're slow
And run the mobs towards them
My signet is more important
Than whatever coffee break they're having mid key
Also pulling that soul ontop of first boss
Is UTTER trolling
It does nothing
wind flicker
Like i said, i get the theory behind it. But for most people here it's not better because they will drop uptime
ornate eagle
Yeah sure, but outright stating that it's not good is also wrong
If played well, it's your best trinket in a handful of keys
wind flicker
I didnt say its bad, i said its a bait
ornate eagle
Cuz it does dmg where it matters
Fall especially
You have it pre-stacked for every single boss
Especially on last boss, where it's by far the most important
It does insane dmg
Nobody cares about add or overall dmg in fall
What matters is boss dmg
That being said, in rise and dht signet is 100% bad
Too much forced downtime
wind flicker
I still stand with my point that its a bait, and most people wont be able to maintain a decent enough uptime to make it worthwile. Especially when healers need to drink, tanks wait for a patrol or what not etc etc
On spitefull its a lot easier to maintain however
ornate eagle
For most people it is bait yeah
But if you are a gamer
It's real good
Especially if you're the tank yourself
Then signet just goes brrrrr
naive sage
lone imp
"very fun"?
modest moss
Trinkets should all be passive honestly. It grants nothing of value to press a button and get a bunch of stats or do a little extra burst of damage here and there.
"Oh I got rooted when I used this trinket but I did a million damage so much fun"
gaunt owl
Thats why boon is fun
Giga dmg
Passive trinket are strong but you dont feel the strength
lone imp
Trinkets should all be passive honestly. It grants nothing of value to press a b...
Uhhhh what lol
There's absolutely reasons to have on use trinkets
boreal quartz
On uses are funny
modest moss
A fun trinket would be something crazy like.. Extra set bonus or something.
boreal quartz
Makes your CDs matter more
Ashes is a fuckin great trinket
6k str for fatal mark TOM
lone imp
6k str for fatal mark TOM
and then combine it with damage amp phase
boreal quartz
Main downside is being a 2 min
modest moss
I'm talking FUN value now. Of course they have value for like. Doing more damage etc.
boreal quartz
I dont want infinite gimmick shit
Dont need scars every tier
Ocular gland my beloved
Also large fan of the first boss aberrus trinket
modest moss
Wasn't that just a critstick?
rare kite
Trinkets should all be passive honestly. It grants nothing of value to press a b...
do you not enjoy doing even more damage in your cooldowns? seeing bigger numbers? coz i sure as hell do
modest moss
do you not enjoy doing even more damage in your cooldowns? seeing bigger numbers...
Just make CDs on their own more powerful instead and make trinkets do something interesting instead.
tardy crag
Execute is a empowered ability next expansion new leak dropped
modest moss
Like give you an extra set, some cool effect, shit like that. Change up your gameplay style depending on what trinkets you got.
boreal quartz
Wasn't that just a critstick?
Wings visual went hard
modest moss
Wings visual went hard
It does
rare kite
Just make CDs on their own more powerful instead and make trinkets do something ...
what do you think of when you say "interesting" convergence of fates type trinkets?
boreal quartz
It's just a trinket not a tier set
Interesting class trinket that makes demo unplayable without
modest moss
Make more class trinkets then. Make fun things happen.
lone imp
Wings visual went hard
dude yes
modest moss
what do you think of when you say "interesting" convergence of fates type trinke...
Stuff like that yeah, just more different ones and make them all kinda powerful and balance them in a good way.
boreal quartz
lone imp
Augury also gives the wings
imagine having augury
boreal quartz
Enha class trinket was neat
modest moss
Then again this is blizzard they don't know what balance is. Hurr hurr
boreal quartz
Correct
gaunt owl
Execute is a empowered ability next expansion new leak dropped
Leak DN
Arms is balanced
Bottom of the meter s3
Top of the meter s4
Balanced
tardy crag
Execute now consumes 25rage per channel step and deals cleaves 4 targets down to 1 with stage but increasing in dmg every step by 100%
gaunt owl
Fake
I wont allow them to make my Execute feel even shittier
Same guy Who leaked pirate xpac
Its some 4chan leak again
tiny burrow
has anyone tried warrior arms in PTR? what about the bis gear or something? some say crafted gear will be lower ilvl compared to drop/vendor... s3 3 ilvl difference, s4 6 ilvl diff... i wonder when we will have some bis builds and suff
lone imp
some say aka blizzard
tiny burrow
no idea if it's official but i saw some youtubers like marceliano etc...
lone imp
tiny burrow
not sure if that is good or bad 😄 but still curious to find out when we can get wowhead guide updated for s4 😄
rare kite
i personally like the change but can see why others don't
tardy crag
I wont allow them to make my Execute feel even shittier
It feels more real because its worse
paper gulch
Good change imo
storm mauve
I am so pissed off at this. 3 ilvls was already bad enough, but 6 is taking the piss. For 60 fucking aspect crests (15 MORE than it costs to get a myth track item from 1 to 4) they should be max ilvl
paper gulch
I don't see why. If anything it made some items less mandatory and you dont have to feel like youre gimping your item level. The highest item level item should always be the main choice unless the embellishment is so powerful like the flavor pocket or the companionship wrists.
or lariat, etc.
storm mauve
It especially makes every weapon and shield completely useless
paper gulch
Every weapon and shield is already completely useless as you will be doing fated raids to upgrade orange stick...
rare kite
I am so pissed off at this. 3 ilvls was already bad enough, but 6 is taking the ...
crafted items being as good as mythic items is not it chief
paper gulch
^
hazy flower
so 3 ilv is the balance for me
paper gulch
Crafted gear should be place holders unless it comes directly from the raid. They would have to bring more rewards past +20 for example (I know its changing) to justify it.
storm mauve
crafted items being as good as mythic items is not it chief
They are either as good as myth items, or they are useless. You know how the playerbase is. Season 1 & 2 were fine.
rare kite
They are either as good as myth items, or they are useless. You know how the pla...
they aren't useless right now tho, plenty of people using a 486 ring
including me
storm mauve
Every weapon and shield is already completely useless as you will be doing fated...
Ahhh yes, let me go tank a raid with a 2 hander...
paper gulch
In season 1 and 2, you crafted all the gear you could, 6 pieces? Almost half of your set could be crafted.
gaunt owl
Since crafted item can be done on a bi weekly basis its gonna be even more useless
paper gulch
Ahhh yes, let me go tank a raid with a 2 hander...
No need for sarcasm, this is the arms chat. Orange stick gonna be all you use. I know I wrote shields but regardless, the embellished shield is trash.
Season 1 and 2 you were able to craft 6 items for the stats you wanted, thats practically half your gear. Rings, neck, belt or the 5th piece of your set.
storm mauve
In season 1 and 2 you had the max ilvl crafted pieces that would compensate for shitty RNG after week 6 or maybe 8, depending on what you needed to craft. Hardly game breaking.
paper gulch
Yeah, and then it made the season boring because you maxed out sooner.
storm mauve
Given that your first 2 crafts are embellishments regardless.
gaunt owl
We are maxed out on gear pretty much in 3weeks
paper gulch
No way. Not from vault rewards.
gaunt owl
After this its just chasing bis trinket and better ring combo
hazy flower
We are maxed out on gear pretty much in 3weeks
not riku with his 10 mythic kills no lego
gaunt owl
Skill issue
paper gulch
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Point is the maxiumum ilvl from vault is what we chase. If we can craft it and skip it, then it becomes pointless.
Unless they make a separate token for keys done past the maximum reward, it doesnt make sense for it to be equal.
Hope they buff embellishments though to make them worth it.
storm mauve
Either it's max ilvl or it's shit. There is no middle ground. By doing this they are just making crafting irrelevant. Real kick in the teeth for crafters
rare kite
it's not shit right now tho, a 486 crafted ring is really good
paper gulch
Well its not supposed to carry you to the very end.
gaunt owl
I didnt had a relevant vault since week 6 or 7
paper gulch
Thats RNG
gaunt owl
Thx sherlock
paper gulch
Youre welcome watson.
gaunt owl
Its so nice clearing everything every week and you cant get any reliable upgrade
paper gulch
Thats how they keep you in the game, its done that way for a reason unfortunately.
hazy flower
storm mauve
There are precisely 3 items in the game that are upgrades for me rn
paper gulch
Well, keep doing M+ maybe youll get them. Wont matter in 3 weeks anyway.
storm mauve
Mythic Gholak, Rageheart, Cataclysmic Signet Brand
gaunt owl
Im still trying to get a myth track TOTT neck
Craft 
obsidian topaz
Sup guys, slightly new to arms. How do you line up your CDs in keys?
Bladestorm and roar come off CD way before avatar, do I send them?
hazy flower
yes
obsidian topaz
from wowhead, it seems like the only things I really want to line up are ava and warbreaker?
hazy flower
if you play 1min roar you should send it pretty much on cd
bladestorm with warbreaker too
and with roar
obsidian topaz
if you play 1min roar you should send it pretty much on cd
do I wait a bit for warbreaker at least?
hazy flower
yeah
obsidian topaz
ok makes sense
hazy flower
I mean at the very least I try to have the dot buffed
but in aoe initial hit of roar is pretty good
so ideally you'd send it after wb and ava
obsidian topaz
so opening rotation in keys would be charge - TC, Ava+Warbreaker, Bladestorm, WW, Sweeping strikes, 2x Overpower, mortal strike?
hazy flower
for me its spread rend via tc while tank is collecting
then charge tc ava wb roar bladestorm ss x2 op into ms or ww
op is your highest prio in aoe unless you really need to prio something
obsidian topaz
what about execute and whirlwind?
hazy flower
SD is your highest priority, execute on its own - not so much in aoe
at all times
whirlwind I pretty much send on cd for AM and op resets
but I dont send it if I have x2 op ready to be used
hazy flower
I guess it's fine if you do ss op ww op ms
obsidian topaz
also are people running blademasters tormnent or warlords ?
hazy flower
warlords is much burstier and you have better st
generally yes, but I still send lego in cds sometimes if lots of mobs are about to die soon
obsidian topaz
will I ever need to press slam?
hazy flower
will I ever need to press slam?
very very rarely in keys
you will prio tc>slam at all times
hazy flower
blademaster's is so deadge
yeah I agree, last time I played it was either very early s3 or somewhere in s2 - ever since I tried single bs warlords I cannot go back
obsidian topaz
arms gets a bad rap, its not as dull as it used to be
wind flicker
Arms is giga slapping on ptr
gaunt owl
1 item every 2 week
at max ilvl
its not much
and the cost in Crest is 60 same as going from Heroic to Myth gear
olive nest
I dont see why the try so hard to prevent the more casual player from getting the best gear
who cares
gaunt owl
the gatekeep on crafting gear is insane
when its already costly to craft anyway
and timegated
olive nest
let them craft myth track over the course of 5 months
it makes them enjoy the game more
olive nest
same here
gaunt owl
we never saw a single drop til reclear
olive nest
realistically the affixes do not really make the dungeons hard for people
its the billion kicks and stops that require coordination
obsidian topaz
it makes them enjoy the game more
I like this system, I dont mythic raid so I can get hero gear, and hope for myth track in vault
hazy flower
Arms is giga slapping on ptr
yet it gets gapped by sps and destros
gaunt owl
99% of the playerbase will still have trouble doing +9 keys
latent moss
i mean bolstering definitely makes it harder
obsidian topaz
I can perform extremely close to max level players while not having myth gear given to me (or payed for). If you dont raid mythic you should be able to get close to max ilvl
olive nest
Not when your average tank pulls 1 pack at a time
obsidian topaz
but not like right away same as mythic raiders
olive nest
or rather 5-6 mobs at a time
hazy flower
raw overalls
are pretty meaningless
it's so dependant on SO many factors
dh is gonna look so good when playing a 20 with boomie and sp or mage
rare kite
raw overalls
me doing 25% of my overall damage on lashers in AA 🙂 🙂
olive nest
I'm on the side of the fence that thinks Heroic and equivalent difficulty content should be the highest item level
let mythic be about the challenge
gaunt owl
me doing 25% of my overall damage on lashers in AA 🙂 🙂
The Padding Police is on to you
🚔
daring heron
me doing 25% of my overall damage on lashers in AA 🙂 🙂
it's funny how none of our abilities catch up to roar dmg in overall due to lashers in AA
rare kite
yee it's insane
latent moss
roar is insane
daring heron
it's not even close
hazy flower
I dont remember my breakdown in 15 aa
because I played with destro
that had PI
didnt bother checking
kekw
daring heron
gg
latent moss
wow insane
gaunt owl
Troar is so broken
gaunt owl
plz let it stay
daring heron
im fine with locks being good again tbh
latent moss
surely they let us be insane in a for fun season
daring heron
sp is crazy
hazy flower
being giga good whole expansion
yeah
on lashers lock did the most obv
but every other pull sp gapped
idk I like when meta shifts and we see diff stuff
I like mistweavers being meta
hazy flower
arms is not meta but
it's decent in s3
it was decent before aug in s2
idk about s1 as I had no exp and I was pretty clueless
so maybe @daring heron can say a word
rare kite
we were shit in S1
before 0.5 yee we were garbage
lone imp
oh yeah they changed the tree
gaunt owl
but we were giga blasting on AOE
daring heron
S1 class balance was rly good
didn't feel handicapped playing arms, but it definitely wasn't meta
rare kite
ye only sp as an outlier, 1 outlier is fine
daring heron
honestly i predict that with current S4 tuning, arms still won't be meta but will be high tier (in m+)
sp/mage/x is prolly the way
prolly lock or something idk
raid arms should own though
untold trench
As always,warrior will be good - just not optimal. Perfect for PuGs, but unwanted in them.
Same old, same old
rare kite
some specs will attract fotm rerollers if they are even close to meta as well, tho arms is not one of those specs
the second ret becomes top half of specs a ton of people reroll
untold trench
Ret is just fun, so can't blame them. Basically Fury but with actual burst damage and not hamstrung AoE.
Then all the tools and options on top.
A lot of fun gameplay enablement
untold trench
Both specs got short CDs, and a set rotational pattern, with minimum brainpower needed to perform alright. They are the same.
Far from big brain arms
daring heron
neither arms or fury are big brain
hexed saddle
yeah I think in terms of difficulty the two have never been closer
gaunt owl
my brain grew while rolling my head on keyboard
hexed saddle
I think thats from the swelling
rare kite
neither arms or fury are big brain
true, but arms requires 1 more braincell to play. from 2-3
hazy flower
honestly i predict that with current S4 tuning, arms still won't be meta but wil...
ye
obsidian topaz
ret is the hunter of the melees
hahaha
latent moss
arms will be meta in raid
hazy flower
@hexed saddle who did you pay off to get blue role
hazy flower
he got power hungry you're sayin
gaunt owl
i want Tusks 
latent moss
ah
modest moss
At the scrolls at the entrance.
gaunt owl
lol Turbonotsmart 😄