arms

[shadow ibex]

the amount of bosses that throw out random stuns that would stop a cast of that is very very small

the amount of players that can however is just about any spec

[gaunt owl]

thats clearly something you wouldnt use in PVP

[shadow ibex]

its a pvp hero spec

[gaunt owl]

just to get the lego cast off you have to CC people

and most people gonna have something ready to avoid the last hit

there is no such thing as a pvp hero spec

blizzard dont design anything around pvp

[shadow ibex]

colossus is a pvp hero spec

[gaunt owl]

just because this exists in Slayer tree

its gonna be the spec played for PVP

[shadow ibex]

colossus has better shockwave and huge nuke

charge movement speed is for pve bosses

[empty sluice]

huh

[gaunt owl]

tell me you never pvp without telling me you never pvp

[empty sluice]

what did I just read 😄

[shadow ibex]

i would put money on having done more arenas

[shadow ibex]

to stop bosses from running out of melee range when they get pulled and you charge

and ur chasing them out of melee range for 2 second

[empty sluice]

you can just use normal charge

idk

[gaunt owl]

he never played against an ice mage

[empty sluice]

yea lol 😄

[gaunt owl]

that gonna make your life miserable

[shadow ibex]

idk if you dont think warrior has enough tools to get out of movement imparing

[shadow ibex]

.

[gaunt owl]

you have so much possibility to get rooted

[shadow ibex]

compared to shockwave knocking x2 targets up in 3s

[latent moss]

why are we even talking

about pvp

pvp in skyhold???????

[gaunt owl]

because he fixate on his stupid take of saying its a pvp spec

[shadow ibex]

you'll get a thousand % more value out of longer shockwave CC than im faster after i charge a mage who is gonna blink anyway

[gaunt owl]

when blizzard never design anything for PVP

[latent moss]

im pretty sure they explicitly said

hero talents arent focused on a specific mode

[slow saddle]

So nice fyrakk.. tindral so many bosses i wouldda loved this

[shadow ibex]

they say a lot

[nova marsh]

As they say

Another week another ember

SIGH

[teal fossil]

1 more week

[nova marsh]

LOL no

[teal fossil]

i mean

im fairly sure this is the last week until you get garuanteed heroic drop

its either next week or the week after

[nova marsh]

Based on what, the wowhead graph?

The one that was proven wrong?

[gaunt owl]

source that got it wrong ?

better back it up 😄

[spring basalt]

Hello boys

which build should i use for Arms M+

[wind vault]

Which build do You think will be played in S4? Cause I think double bladestorm is really lacking DMG on bosses

[spring basalt]

well i dont raid so, i dont about ST as much as i care about my aoe

[wind vault]

I am really thinking about m+, forgot to mention that

[misty iron]

i like to do a bit of gaming

[gaunt owl]

wtf is that kill time ?

@spring basalt @wind vault

its gonna be one or the other most likely

[astral yarrow]

Double BS MBG or nothing

I came to do overall and 0 boss dps

[gaunt owl]

all and nothing at the same time

[cinder ocean]

On PTR, is the legendary still 496 when you turn in the quest?

[misty iron]

alt raid, guild's not HoF tier, we're still progging smolderon

[nova marsh]

as far as we know, getting the lego next tier will still have it as 496

You HAVE to get the upgrade item

[astral yarrow]

Bladestorm or bust

[misty iron]

nope

full ST 🙂

[gaunt owl]

looking at kill time its 2 burst phase no ?

[hazy flower]

we had

same kill timer

in last reclear during jan

nvm it was 20sec faster xdd

[misty iron]

no, died just before second cast finished

[viral garden]

S4 build >?

[carmine fossil]

question.. do we use embellishments?

[cinder ocean]

Cool cool, ty

[gaunt owl]

yes

[wispy tiger]

Every class in the game uses embellishments. Most warriors are running either two Shadowflame embellishments or one Shadowflame and the Wristguards of Companionship. I've also seen a few running Elemental Lariat because it can outperform shadowflame in AoE.

[carmine fossil]

thanks, i didnt see mention in the BIS for wowhead so i was unsure

[wispy tiger]

Yup np

[teal fossil]

Bro is confidently incorrect

[misty iron]

abandoned warrior mid tier then came back for some alt raids stuff while guild is still progging smolderon

blessed logs

[hazy flower]

@ornate eagle

[gaunt owl]

have you tried dying less ?

[hazy flower]

i died twice

[gaunt owl]

thats interesting that with that many death

you could have timed it actually

[hazy flower]

easy yeah

we had scuffed start

and yazma took actually very long

even with good reflects

I put ret on add duty

because adds were a bit annoying in 28

so he was full on aoe there

[wicked aurora]

Meanwhile me running wrist guards and lariat with no shadowflame

[wispy tiger]

Well that's literally what I said some people do so uh....

congrats?

[wicked aurora]

I figured you meant shadowflame and lariat

[wispy tiger]

Naw never give up the Wristguards stats are perfect for Arms

[wicked aurora]

Shadowflame kinda mid tbh

Lariat was a sidegrade in single target so it was an ez swap

[wispy tiger]

Well from what I've heard Lariat shines in M+ (Idk I don't run it no point in crafts this late into the season)

Shadowflame is def better in ST raid fights but we got like two this tier

[hazy flower]

not really def better

with full sockets lariat should outsim shadowflame in st

[wispy tiger]

I'm full sockets and shadowflame was simming higher (disclaimer: I played fury all season)

[gaunt owl]

skill issue

[wispy tiger]

Naw I just think Arms is in this weird place where it's both easy to play but hard to play because of how disjointed it feels

Unless you meant the sims then yeah skill issue I guess lol

[gaunt owl]

push button

stuff dies

people just think too hard

[wispy tiger]

I know I called it easy for a reason but it really does need another way to spend rage. Spamming ignore pain felt bad but at least it worked. Then they took that from us for no reason whatsoever lol

[wicked aurora]

It’s very easy to play lol

There’s not much disjointed about it

Press MS on CD, press OP, press WW, press slam if all on CD

[gaunt owl]

they took ignore pain out because it was unintended

[wicked aurora]

Spam execute in execute

That’s really it

[gaunt owl]

the only diff we have with Shadowlands S3 gameplay is that they cranked the rage gen to 11

[wicked aurora]

Yep

[wispy tiger]

I know how to play arms and literally called it easy twice idk what else to say

[gaunt owl]

its not that we cant spend rage

[wicked aurora]

But you also just don’t care about the rage until execute phase

[wispy tiger]

I just think it could FEEL better to play

[gaunt owl]

its we get too much of it all the time

[wicked aurora]

It’s cosmetic until then

[gaunt owl]

Fury got the same funny rage bar that is useless

you can disable it too

Rampage highlight itself when you can push it

[wispy tiger]

Don't even need the highlight you just press it every other GCD for the most part

Shit is too easy it's why I gotta swap mains. Would be falling asleep in my chair during raid because it's three buttons outside of your burst. And dying as fury is borderline impossible unless you royally fuck up.

We just need a rework for all specs tbh. Fury is braindead, arms feels like shit to play, and Prot has some of the worst button bloat in the game.

[gaunt owl]

even Arms has the button bloat problem

[reef mauve]

Dear blizzard. Delete fatal mark and give us damage elsewhere. Sincerely a warrior progging mythic smolderon with a bunch of apes.

[gaunt owl]

its literally the only fight where you can giga snipe it

[reef mauve]

Can't snipe shit until 30% lol

[smoky kayak]

Dear Blizzard, please delete this person’s raid group

[reef mauve]

Smolderon does that pretty well

Them boys love some balls

Lol

[gaunt owl]

its the balls raid

be happy its only 3

but well people need to use their eyes to do it properly

[reef mauve]

What trinkets we looking at next patch? Whispering/anvil?

Or is it too early to tell?

[gaunt owl]

we can expect some trinket tuning

[boreal quartz]

whispering + brand for 5 min sims

but tuning

[gaunt owl]

Icon is overbudget as fuck

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1037464605414412298/HyperCondemn.gif

[untold trench]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-anime-evil-smile-gif-11514563

[prisma heart]

most people are running this. if u have sockets go lariat + wrists, no sockets go sflame cloak + wrists. idk anyone going double sflame is that rly a thing

[gaunt owl]

with an unknown embellishment

[untold trench]

Meanwhile your dps:

[smoky kayak]

double shadowflame started out strong, but fell behind over time (as is usual with direct damage options) and was always weaker in AoE

BSL is the real parse strat though, just gotta pray for god RNG

[gaunt owl]

only need 40% to beat Lariat

doable

[misty bridge]

BSL?

[smoky kayak]

Yeah it's mostly a matter of when you get that 40% though; there are so many encounters where the high incoming damage is also where you want to use your own cooldowns

[smoky kayak]

Blue Silken Linen - mastery buff > 90% hp

[misty bridge]

Oh okay

[latent moss]

it will be very prominent

next season

u basically have 4 aoe buttons that do the same shit

similar shit*

cleave op ww tc

and then tc slam bloat

arms for sure has too much bloat imo

[smoky kayak]

S4 playstyle is pretty cluttered yeah, basically playing a game of keyboard whack-a-mole

but it does work so 🤷‍♂️

[latent moss]

y it was that way in s1 as well

[smoky kayak]

not so much, S1 was very cleave focused

but there have been a lot of baseline changes since then

[latent moss]

i meant like

cleave if 4+ targets ss exe if 2-3

etc

ss op if x targets etc

[smoky kayak]

didn't happen initially because Sweeping Strikes was a talent until 10.0.5

the initial Season 1 playstyle was very much "rotate cleave & OP, weave in WW and maintain Rend"

[latent moss]

i mean everyone talented into it

and u talented into it on st to get sos iirc

[smoky kayak]

not with the original builds, SS was often skipped because you spent most of the time cleaving

[latent moss]

oh true

i rember now

when imp ms was a thing and shit

[smoky kayak]

after 10.0.5, that's when it started getting more complicated, because SS going baseline meant you didn't lose anything by using it

[teal fossil]

Wish cleave could gain a 25% bonus with ss up

Like how blade rush and killing spree gets stronger with blade flurry up

In aoe ofc

Don’t want to be sweeping on st

[smoky kayak]

that's the hard part with doing anything to sweeping; unless you give it a power cost, there's a lot of potential for it to suddenly become a ST button

[hazy flower]

@ornate eagle

6 rio

[crimson charm]

Imagine doing +30 keys, and only having 6 rio score

Impressive!

[ornate eagle]

grats!

im still sittin on that eb29

[hazy flower]

im getting boosted

[ornate eagle]

https://i.imgur.com/CPLFSLd.png

[hazy flower]

report

[ornate eagle]

im afraid i have to

[hazy flower]

snitch

snitches get stitches

[ornate eagle]

i can come on enha and die to every mechanic!

cuz no defensives

[hazy flower]

average shaman moment

press bl and die

[ornate eagle]

real

[robust scaffold]

[somber cove]

hey all, i simmed 5 min, 5 patchwerk bosses. And then I did 5 min on the cleave dummies and got 12k less than what I simmed. Is that ratio good or no

[dire hinge]

you can sim "target dummy" as a mode and it'll be more accurate (doesn't give you raid buffs)

[somber cove]

oh thanks

[dire hinge]

that said, you'll never quite catch a sim, since it's a robot doing a perfect rotation

[somber cove]

true, just wondering what ratio of actual dps/sim dps is considered good

[dire hinge]

there's not really a benchmark to shoot for there, just keep practicing 🙂

[somber cove]

ok sounds good 🙂

[fathom shoal]

how many ppl are in the skyhold server?

i cant see it

[quasi torrent]

atleast 69

[gloomy summit]

150k

[dire hinge]

can look at the "valajar" role on the right-hand side then add on like 20-50ish for other roles

[fathom shoal]

ahh thx 🤝

[fathom shoal]

ty 🤝

[stiff rune]

so whats the interaction for fyralath where we bladestorm? use blademasters and pop avatar during rage to use bladestorm at the same time?

is that actually worth doing?

[dire hinge]

nah not really worth doing, but neat that you can

[reef glade]

eh i mean if youre running bladestorm wouldnt it be more worth to just stack both abilities when you would otherwise use em seperately

not that u even use bs much current season i think but if you did cant imagine its like, a downgrade to do so

[zinc python]

Pretty new to Arms war, but anyone got any insight on thunderous roar and why most online rotations are placing it outside of damage buff windows? I.E. Using it before the avatar burst window. To my understanding Warrior bleeds have snapshot but I could be wrong.

[strange perch]

No snapshot

[hexed saddle]

snapshots dont really exist outside of feral

[strange perch]

Casting it outside the damage is because no snapshot, the initial damage isnt the bulk of the damage, and we have tom and cs rolling constantly anyway

God i hate tom

[zinc python]

Ahh guess I got bad info from someone then, claiming that arms had snapshot

Was saving my roar till all my buffs were up but that definitely simplifies things a bit

[strange perch]

Pretty sure it grants rage so try not to overcap with it

[zinc python]

A sliver or rage but some at least haha

[rare kite]

Classic player?

[zinc python]

Myself? No, just a friend that probably didn't know better

[rare kite]

No i meant the friend, if he's a classic player

[merry stone]

You just need to understand how Thunderous Roar works as well

[teal fossil]

capping rage doesnt matter either

[dull siren]

heckin love cat

[sacred zodiac]

:3

[quasi torrent]

meow

[astral yarrow]

Ackchuhally arms technically has a snapshot as well 🤓

It’s just real cringe

[gaunt owl]

ultra cringe

cursed with knowledge

[quasi torrent]

perish immediately

[gaunt owl]

end me

[misty iron]

what is it? Only one I know is getting the haste buff on leggo channel at the end of CS

[rare kite]

how bad can it be?

[gaunt owl]

badly bad

[latent moss]

its evil

very evil

[wary raft]

my timbers have shivered

[rare kite]

can you dm it me?

[gaunt owl]

its not worth it dont worry

[rare kite]

i assumed not, just very curious

[gaunt owl]

the idea was to use Puzzlebox to apply a big ass DW debuff

and once PB is over

you dont refresh DW

[rare kite]

[gaunt owl]

but our mastery is too shitty anyway

[random ibex]

question: whats the thought process behind using lariat? all my sims have allied wrists and SFP as better

[untold trench]

Lariat is sometimes better on mass AoE Sims, seldom on ST. It also is a proc, so feast or famine. So procs right on example smold, and it is big value, if not - it is lower value. Procs on Tind shield is good value, so on and on.

It procs quite reliably, but no guarantee. In m+ it is just a nice AoE DPS bump.

[random ibex]

ahh ok, so essentially; run SFP on pure ST and Lariat on anything with AOE

[astral yarrow]

mastery part of DW snapshots- as Ppaww said, we tested and simmed. Didnt come out as a gain

[spark mango]

Gonna miss the tierset we have right now

both arms and fury, i mean i get how fury players dont like where they are on meters due to priority focus

but arms tier right now is so fine with single blade storm build, you always have damage in every situation

[gaunt owl]

nah you shouldnt miss it

awful tier set with 2 different trigger for SD proc

not helping us with our full rage bar

and even making Execute spam

[spark mango]

From M+ pov the fact that u doing same aoe with exuce talents as full aoe build is very nice

[rare kite]

that's not gonna change tho, s1 tierset is just stronger. single bladestorm build still the play

[gaunt owl]

and you gonna do far more better next tier

[hazy flower]

I grew fond so much

of free thunder claps

[spark mango]

most likely double bladestorm bonegriender and fkn cleave

i hate cleave

[hazy flower]

probably not double

just single

[spark mango]

its the problem child of my rotiation

[rare kite]

doubt it for pushing keys, for fun padding yes

single target always matters in keys

[hazy flower]

ye

also arent u dropping ep for mbg

so no eb no massacre and u do beans dam xd

on st

[spark mango]

if u going 1 bladestorm no MBG

i think fury is superior

[rare kite]

i guess you can drop 1 bb point for mbg? idk if that's worth tho

[hazy flower]

dont think u can trade that

lemme check

[rare kite]

you can

[gaunt owl]

people that pick double bladestorm

i'm gonna come knocking on their door

and kick them in the balls

[hazy flower]

double bladestorm is overkill

unless u have

specific comp

(enha)

in specific dungeon

[rare kite]

you can come knock on my door when i play it on algethar academy to see how big overall i will get ppaw, the biggest pad build

[hazy flower]

ask warlocks

about their overall in academy

I saw one do 8m burst on lashers with aug

[spark mango]

right now you play arms with 1 bladestorm because fury does no aoe whatsoever

next season if u play current build fury is ahead

[rare kite]

that's just not true

[hazy flower]

ye that's not the reason at all xd

there are more fury warriors in top keys

than arms warriors

fury brings better st, prio

[gaunt owl]

and going double bladestorm just kill your prio and ST dmg

[hazy flower]

and mass aoe is really not that needed

since most dungeons dont have large pulls

outside of maybe 1 pull per dungeon

[spark mango]

the reason there are more fury vs arms in keys comes down to pug experience

rather than damge

[hazy flower]

eh

not sure what it even meeans

but ok

[spark mango]

fury simply doesnt die and has shockwave

[rare kite]

no, it comes down to fury being more popular in general

fury has always been more popular

[hazy flower]

u can play shockwave as arms

nobody is forcing u

[gaunt owl]

its popularity

[hazy flower]

you lose like 2-3% overall max

[rare kite]

and if the specs are even remotely close to eachother more people will play fury. fury is very popular

[spark mango]

i play both and most of the time arms simply dies with random healers

[hazy flower]

where do u die

what bosses

what key level

unless the healer is so trash whole group dies I dont struggle surviving in keys

[gaunt owl]

dont expect your random healer to be decent

[spark mango]

most of fury popularity comes from this

[spark mango]

bosses are predictable damage where i am fine with def stance ignore pain

but for example area around second boss of fall or many instances in waycrest manor

you fold as arms or you need to be peram DS

[hazy flower]

you really dont

[spark mango]

if i get cheeky reflect on Sands i dont if i dont get the reflect you pretty much dead, you tick down

and you need to go a lot of versa in contrast to your dps sim

1 month ago i was playing rageheart in 28s

[hazy flower]

the lots of versa is barely 1% loss

and I dont die in keys on high forti

unless whole group dies

because the healer is that bad

[gaunt owl]

most fury player dont know how to play the game and use their defensive so thats why they stick to it and cry when they play Arms 😄

[rare kite]

i bet even if arms was tankier than fury, you would still see more fury players in keys. just because it's more popular, always has been and prob always will be

[hazy flower]

fury is tankier sure but arms shouldn't struggle in 28's

[gaunt owl]

Critcake said it best too

you have to think as Arms

and stack your IP

most player cant use their brain to save their lives

[spark mango]

how do you stack ip

pressint it on cd?

[boreal quartz]

ye

[spark mango]

1 is always enough for most mechanics

[hazy flower]

depends on your comp

in 30 ad I did yday I needed to double stack my ip on yazma every time since we only had devotion aura as dr/hp increase

[spark mango]

with dstance?

[hazy flower]

yes

but check noteven every time

IP should be implemented anytime soon

if you have disc priest and ret you should be fine with single stacking on 30 tyra yazma

20-25k hp left is enough since your group shouldn't be blasting the adds insta

so save iv for every single one to use insta

[spark mango]

i like this better than keeping warpaint then leaping out

[hazy flower]

it gets a bit cringe

once you have to double stack ip

[violet steeple]

Can someone DM me the arms M+ PTR build so I can become an arms cranker in prep

[gaunt owl]

#arms message

[chrome lichen]

the camera is auto focus and i am not able to look around unless i am clicking the mouse, this is very annoying

how to disable this ?

[dire hinge]

it's in Settings under Camera (you can use the search bar in the upper right to find it)

[chrome lichen]

tyvm

[calm hollow]

this one

[chrome lichen]

ok found it tyty!

[merry pecan]

it is worth using baldestorm and TR before Avatar cds? since In For The Kill makes me have BS and TR like 30 secs before it

and then holding avatar for the new BS and TR cds

[frail pagoda]

sim tier set

[gaunt ginkgo]

What would you drop for that, btw? roar CDR?

[finite ginkgo]

guys coming from fury, can anyone tell me why arms scales so insane with haste?

[gaunt owl]

because AM exists

[rare kite]

and ToM

remove ToM

[gaunt owl]

more cast = more dmg

[wicked aurora]

Because we don’t get a fuck ton of free haste like fury

[cinder remnant]

Do we go for more crit with s1 tierset?

[prisma heart]

We will easily hit crit and haste soft caps with S4 gear so expect to push vers and mastery more

[cinder remnant]

Great, thanks

[proud plover]

Already do in s3 gear

[prisma heart]

Yes

[teal fossil]

Hopefully we can reach 40/40/40/40

[buoyant pulsar]

Hello warriors, I used to play Arms Warrior a LOT in Cata, it was my main back then and I haven’t really played Warrior since Legion.

I geared my Paladin because I heard the ret rework was great but I find the spec boring as heck so i was thinking to pick up Arms again. How close to the Cata playstyle are we now ? I loved how methodical it was back then. Thank you

[gaunt owl]

quadratic scaling

we are so far from Cata gameplay

[buoyant pulsar]

🫣

[buoyant pulsar]

I like slower/methodical specs and Ret is not cutting it, I don't get any satisfaction from building holy power. My other alternatives are Arms, WW monk or maybe Assassination or possibly Arcane mage, these are the specs I consider methodical but ideally it would be something close to Arms was in Cata 😄

[teal fossil]

Assassin is relatively slow

[latent moss]

arms is quite farm from methodical atm

far*

[proud plover]

Cosmetic rage bar for the most part removed alot of it, lots of haste made the rotation alot quicker but it is still fun - minimal rng focused with a fairly simple rotation and alot of bleed damage

[shadow ibex]

Doesn't get fun until execute

Then you get to think some pay attention to overlaps

[proud plover]

^^ most fun spec in the game in execute

[shadow ibex]

I wish pressing avatar and CS above 35% felt like Im hitting hard

[opal folio]

@shadow ibex how’s fyrakk going?

[shadow ibex]

not good

https://tenor.com/view/the-voices-meme-cat-gif-23917781

[latent moss]

imagine if ms

range wasnt

from 100-500

and was 200-400 so cds felt impactful but it also did some damage baseline

and ngl

ava and cs feel hard in exe cause of the reck

allowing me to mash execute like a monkey

condemn animation makes it feel a lot more impactful as well

every single exe feels like u are destroying the target

[shadow ibex]

using SS to hasten the execute animation

TECH UNLEASH

[latent moss]

that animation is so good

[shadow ibex]

so u get the side swipe instead of slow ass overhead shit moves out of

yea its cool but that moving out of range shit is unforgivable

[latent moss]

there was a lot of spotlight on that

on 10.2 ptr when critcake was talking about it

but they did nothing

[shadow ibex]

just unware

you have to play warrior to know

[latent moss]

maybe they will do something about it with the rework

[shadow ibex]

its very subtle and seems like minor complaint

but in practice its cringe as fuck

[latent moss]

idk i have hope for warrior rework

slayer tree that move speed after charge

gave me hope

cause thats a VERY annoying warrior thing

like i cant think of anything more annoying than that

as a warrior

[shadow ibex]

the movement after charge thing is nice yea

to catch speedy bosses

[latent moss]

that should be baseline

or a talent that we take

always

[shadow ibex]

give me bounding stride in heroic leap

i want it free

[latent moss]

same

leap is criminal without it

[opal folio]

Relatable

I’m exhausted after every raid night now

[shadow ibex]

we've carried people thru the tier because they been here forever and now on a boss u cant do that on

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

no tindral health nerf to carry us to the kill this time

[opal folio]

Too real

We’ve been progging p2 for a couple of nights, hopefully done in like 3 weeks

But yeah, the last two bosses expose the weak links real bad

[shadow ibex]

yeeeeeeeeeep

[latent moss]

how do you get gear on ptr

vendors are selling it for the dinars and i have none

first time playing ptr idk

[robust ridge]

You can just pick up gear from the vendors in Stormwind / Orgrimmar

[hazy flower]

Uproar

I really like uproar but it you want shockwave you drop that

[dry frost]

I’m kinda an arms newbie, is it likely we run cleave in aoe with S1 tier?

[teal fossil]

Probably

We ran cleave in s1 but everything else got buffed more

So we’ll see

[dry frost]

I really liked the little bit I used it for the little bit I played arms S2

I really liked the SkS build

[shadow ibex]

would be surprised if it made a come back in raid without major changes

pretty expensive to pick up in talents

[smoky kayak]

Cleave yes, but probably not Reaping; it's more of a supplementary button than a main focus

[dry frost]

If not my main arms is likely gonna be my most played alt

I really don’t like this variant of fury so most of my War playtime has been prot/arms

I need to get all my portals on my war before season end too

[buoyant pulsar]

I thought Arms voted for the T31 to come back (S3 set)

Did I read that wrong ?

[minor gust]

no the real Arms gamers voted season 1

[teal fossil]

its like voting for an aura buff

[prisma heart]

S3 set

Have good rotation and get targeted by 0 mechanics but get bad rng on SD procs

[bleak jasper]

if we're not running reaping, would we still run uh

improved sweeping?

[boreal quartz]

SoA

[wind vault]

How to manage CDS with S1 build? Do You want to hold roar/warbraker/bladestorm to line up with Avatar or press on CD?

[boreal quartz]

CDs on cd with AM

Roar ideal with a wb/ava(if no 1 min roar)

[hazy flower]

if youre not playing uproar you should have everything aside from bladestorm synced

if you are then use the uproar

and press it on cd

overthinking when to pop stuff too much is detrimental

you're playing cdr, use cdr

[boreal quartz]

CD on CD

[hazy flower]

as it should be

[hazy flower]

1. bloodmallet is using ideal gear

which 99,9% of players will never see

even if they're running highest content (best vaults since day 1 and multiple 3 slot mythic reclears)

2. augury is rng trinket

if it highrolls its best

generally

like I mentioned augury is rng

so top logs are gonna be running it

because if it highrolls then it's gonna pop off insanely

I would still run augury over rezan if it sims similar ish

[gaunt owl]

no such thing

[hazy flower]

wdym

arent they using highest simming gear in their profile

[gaunt owl]

no

they yoink the simc profile that's all

and nope

[buoyant pulsar]

I understand that S1 tier is maybe more consistent but it’s a damn shame we lose the SD procs on bleed ticks imho, I thought that was a fun mechanic. Not the best but it was something.

[gaunt owl]

chasing the highest sim is a fool errand

[uncut shard]

Also idk what you're on about gear

Or rather augury being rng

Kindoff a worthless statement

[quasi torrent]

that goes for every single trinket that isnt a stat stick really

even that is inherently rng

say you got a trinket that procs mastery (crab) and you get unlucky (you dont crit) you will get less value

[uncut shard]

Crit stat stick

[quasi torrent]

even that is rng
you may not crit anyway!!

holy fuggggg

[gaunt owl]

just to mess with people and bis gear thinking

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iGbur1n8LQG7oAh3Xij1hc

i got this laying around

[reef glade]

please god

alter your mog

[quasi torrent]

no u

[dull siren]

small number

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bvJn6NUh1wUSGWj9VcZwtx

the quick sim

[uncut shard]

Small number

[hazy flower]

it is though??

disparity between 4% and 10% augury kills definitely doesnt prove its rng as hell

oke

[dull siren]

👋

[dull siren]

his mogs r always on the wrong side of society

he was naked b4

[reef glade]

that would be more preferrable

than whatever that is

[gaunt owl]

fucking full tmog enjoyer

dare judge

[halcyon breach]

At least you know full mog will look good and match

[dull siren]

full tmog?

ththththth...

[gaunt owl]

my mog match

you are jumping to conclusion !

[quasi torrent]

just put on egirl mog

?

[warm bronze]

What are the best trinkets currently for the PTR? Can't find any info anywhere.

[gaunt owl]

i need both handsto play

[warm bronze]

I understand S1 tier set

[quasi torrent]

weak

[quasi torrent]

Its ptr
try shit out

[warm bronze]

Well, I should rephrase. What do you think is going to be looking good trinkets wise for S4 in general?

for arms

[hazy flower]

puzzle box, augury, pips

[quasi torrent]

icon

[hazy flower]

icon ye

oce

[warm bronze]

hmm

[hazy flower]

all are

good trinkets

oce prob not with icon being around but just use it if you want

[quasi torrent]

icon with all buffs is built diffy

[warm bronze]

Good ol puzzle box

I'd play fury, but damn do I hate the S2 tier set

[hazy flower]

beacon might be the play too

rather doubt in anything other than bh but idk yet

[wind vault]

I guess I'll go with icon and augury cause I like these

[halcyon breach]

brrnya

[tardy crag]

Echo angle

Beacon ur friends

[quasi torrent]

thats a weird noise

[halcyon breach]

meow

[quasi torrent]

regular neow

[halcyon breach]

nya

[quasi torrent]

man im am tired

im am

[halcyon breach]

i am am

[quasi torrent]

as u can see

im am tireededed

[halcyon breach]

go sleep noob?

[quasi torrent]

Cant

stupid family thing soon

[halcyon breach]

ff

[uncut shard]

Honestly cant tell if you are serious or memeing

no way

[boreal quartz]

sleep during that

famous hunter spell: feign schwächeanfall

[hazy flower]

no way

kindoff a worthless statement

[quasi torrent]

i will most certainly law down on the couch after cake

[boreal quartz]

as you should

[fast forge]

So why is having a sim this high not a good way to think

i know certain fights can effect stats but as an overall providing you are not swapping alot inbetween boss fights why may a gearset that sims 5k lower be better

[dull siren]

You don't really swap anything but 1 talent this raid as Arms, Unless you wanna pad on Tindral

Council Long sweep that's it

xdd

[fast forge]

ye

but like

oh wait it was warrior sim before you

talking about how 'bis gear thinking' is bad

[dull siren]

I mean, BiS gear thinking should be the priority.
That is right, But I've reached a state long ago where I can't get a single upgrade so I just keep milking

[fast forge]

in all fairness every list and sim i have ever seen runs like shadowflame emb on cloak, however you got silk line necking

[dull siren]

Shadowflame

is worse than Lariat

Lariat is worse than BSL

[hazy flower]

have u tried bsl on fyrakk

[dull siren]

yes

[hazy flower]

whats the %

[dull siren]

52%

and I sim with 45% rn

[hazy flower]

yeah for me 45% bsl outsims lariat

[dull siren]

Smolderon Fury Warrior 60%

[fast forge]

fairs, it shows no where in any gear recommendation ive seen all xpac tho

so confused me a lil

[dull siren]

Well, In all fairness

the suggestions for warriors were dog shit.
Just gonna say it...
As well as the raid trinket coil or w/e

👎

Very low effort in research just a quick gear dump and went into a post

[fast forge]

im swapping to arms in next reset or 2

so just seeing differences in gear

figured i really needed that nymue neck as it shows up everywhere has super high crit

but top logs seem to run it lol

no top logs*

[dull siren]

Don't need crit since you run Crit Phial + Buzzing Rune, To reach 40-42% crit
with 42% haste baseline and then you just want to even out vers + mastery

[fast forge]

ahh i see

and as far as your rings

i imagine its larodar one unless you get that one you have in vault

[dull siren]

Yeah, I mean.
You'd go for the larodar one unless u get the vault one and you'd just have to change some of the enchants to vers I'd imagine

[hazy flower]

I'll start running crit phial once we finish prog

my gm would murder me if I were to use it on prog

[fast forge]

most people i see have a haste vers on embellished item

but you got haste mast i guess as a result of the dungeon ring

[dull siren]

I gave you a DM with some APL stuff @fast forge

that might help you out

[visual fern]

[dull siren]

hi garms

[visual fern]

Gm

[dull siren]

want a kiss?

[visual fern]

🌊

[wind vault]

I guess with S4 we would want around 50%+ haste, and 50% crit ?

[dawn sphinx]

Or, hear me out, instead of hard focusing on specific stat values, we do this ancient technique called

[wind vault]

Spimming is styupid 😅 but You might be right

[hexed canopy]

To get the legendary, does it matter if u do LFR and normal before doing heroic to get the extra increased rep tokens, or can i only do heroic and get the same chance?

[dawn sphinx]

do the highest difficulty you can, it'll roll for all of the lower difficulties as well

so doing lfr->normal->hc->mythic is the same as just doing mythic

[hexed canopy]

Okay thanks, will stop doing LFR and normal, and only do HC. Mythic is out of reach and not an option for me

[dull siren]

Just abuse like the World First kill

The guys who always show up with Torghast powers

[steep osprey]

Some specs look a lot better in s4 because of some trinkets

[boreal quartz]

clueless

[finite mantle]

blueless

[quasi torrent]

fluless

(healthy)

[rare kite]

wonder how long i was "typing" in chat, just noticed i typed a "w" here

[quasi torrent]

It times out after a few seconds

[finite mantle]

we were waiting for days

[steep osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/movies-titanic-quotes-its-been-years-84years-gif-14851580

[gaunt owl]

i was dying of old age

[fresh spire]

[sage badge]

Arms owns

[gaunt owl]

Arms owns

[latent moss]

Owns arms

[velvet vessel]

boys since today's the first of april, let us remember https://web.archive.org/web/20210305042339/https://www.heroicstrike.org/

[crimson charm]

https://tenor.com/view/rip-coffin-black-ghana-celebrating-gif-16743302

[zinc wolf]

so sad we can only get it through time machine now 😦

[velvet vessel]

archi didnt paid the hosting 😄

[crimson charm]

That was Collision who did that

[warped spade]

Cata classic coming up through!

[zinc wolf]

I mean the original link

It also had music

[crimson charm]

Yea, it doesn't autoload the music. :(

[zinc wolf]

World we have known is no longer there

[finite ginkgo]

guyys sandglas > augury in keys for arms?

[olive nest]

Doubtful

[smoky kayak]

BSL will always outsim everything, but it's not always practical which is why it's not universally recommended - it's pretty hard to maximize on later fights not because it doesn't get decent enough uptime, but because it's always down when you're using cooldowns

[smoky kayak]

coil hasn't been recommended since the first week and was removed from the bis list after tuning adjusted everything, please refrain from bashing other people/tools in here - if you want something better, feel free to contribute

[zinc wolf]

Can i bash you if i buy you burrito afterwards ?

[dull siren]

I contribute well enough already I would say.
The Coil is still within "Best Arms Warrior Trinkets"
As well as the post still has "Season 2" as the headline.
Instead of Season 3.

Wish I saw these trinkets in Season 2.

[smoky kayak]

Coil is, objectively, one of the better raid trinkets this expansion

that doesn't mean it's a particularly great trinket compared to better options, but it is one of the higher ones on the overall list

if you didn't have access to stuff like augury, brand, couldn't get a good rezen to drop, there's no reason you couldn't use it (as several people have)

[dull siren]

It's 2k behind, Branch is ever better than it and Branch isn't suggested

[smoky kayak]

neither is sandglass or butcher's block or anything else; there's a whole trinket listing right underneath that gives hard numbers for people who want them

Coil is listed with a line of text that describes why its listed - it's perfectly understandable that it's a passive trinket which won't require players to do anything (which is a more sought after prospect than one might think)

[dull siren]

It doesn't have any situational usage, It doesn't fit in anywhere to the current state of Arms.
It's just a bad thing to have under "Best Trinkets."
Branch has situational usage and isn't there?
Idk it's just a very badly suggested 👎
Just being honest, It isn't even bashing. It's just honesty.
If I'm not allowed to have my own opinion on how I see your post, Like I've not been allowed to have before. I understand.

[smoky kayak]

You're right, it doesn't have any situational usage - it's recommended as a completely passive, easy to get trinket, which has very little competition and is still among the top 10 best trinkets available this patch

and don't be dramatic, nobody can stop you from having an opinion, but there's a difference in having an opinion and being overly critical or using it as a pretense to bash others, as you frequently do

it's fine not to agree with something, but a reasonable person should still be able to see the logic behind it

[dull siren]

I don't frequently bash people, You are the public face of Skyhold and warrior on wowhead.
You are going to get feedback, If you don't like the feedback nor like the way i communicate it feel free to ignore my message.

[modest moss]

Top ten trinkets when there are ten isn't saying much. Unless we're talking like Wquest trinkets as well.

[smoky kayak]

you didn't give me feedback lol, I approached you

[dull siren]

I said, It's bad cause it's bad?
You decided to approach the subject of the topic.
I'm allowed to write my own opinion no?
As well as there's been feedback for this b4 👍
But eitherway time to slayyy Fyraka 🎃

[smoky kayak]

I'm not certain I undersatnd your meaning, there are a lot more than 10 trinkets this tier (not including world quest)

[quasi torrent]

axe dragon must die

[dull siren]

🪓

[smoky kayak]

the argument isn't over whether the trinket is bad, as I've said you can hold whatever opinion you feel

The difference is using something so incredibly insignificant as a pretext to bash, belittle, argue, or in so many words just be an ass - as I said, a reasonable person can disagree with something while still recognizing the logic behind it

(ignoring the part where you moved the goal post from "it's bis" to "well its mentioned on the page somewhere")

[quasi torrent]

axe dragon has died

[modest moss]

I went and counted just to be an ass. There are 13 str trinkets in the current rotation. (But you are right with what you say).

CORRECTION 14

[hard cobalt]

It is listed as bis on the fury cheat sheet fwiw

[smoky kayak]

no it's not

[quasi torrent]

legal in denmark

[quasi torrent]

💀💀

[smoky kayak]

oh that page

yeah I talked to someone about it the other day (more like a few weeks ago, but w/e)

[hard cobalt]

That’s the one I look at first/most frequent when I just want a quick non sim answer

[smoky kayak]

that's not my page 😆

[modest moss]

This one right here officer

[smoky kayak]

the cheat sheet things were put together externally and I fuckin hate them

WH uses a lot of automation embeds, obstensibly so that writers don't have to keep updating the same thing across multiple pages

which those abominable cheat sheet tools also use

and something causes them to keep auto-updating with really old versions

[quasi torrent]

disgusting

[smoky kayak]

like you notice the Fury one doesn't even have Fyr'alath on it anymore, when it was added the week after RWF

[hard cobalt]

unfortunate

[smoky kayak]

the tool is such trash, I hate it

[hard cobalt]

I reference that page a lot esp with newish friends

[smoky kayak]

considering you've never brought it up before, somehow I doubt that, but I'll get it fixed

until it decides to break again anyway

[hard cobalt]

My friends that play are not all in discord but, yes I don’t post about it much

If it’s bound to be broken tho, I def don’t need to think of it as a good resource

[smoky kayak]

there are actually a lot more than 14 still, depending on which ones you wanna include (crafted shit, etc)

[modest moss]

I actually went and re-counted and you're right. I just counted the STR ones and completely forgot the ones with crit etc.

[smoky kayak]

but also I mean consider both when wh guides are written and who they are written for

can take that as a cop out if you want, but they are, by design, written for a pretty low level approach to the game - sure there are tools and information to point higher level players toward (BM embeds, raidbots), but the vast majority of people either have absolutely no experience with a spec and need extreme hand holding, or they just want very quick info at a glance

in both cases, neither tend to play at a particularly high level, or be the kind of "power user" that frequents discords

[teal fossil]

thats why stat prio page exists right? it's just as a very LOW level guide for players

[smoky kayak]

that's why half the pages exist

BiS means nothing in modern wow

Stats too

you could argue that maybe stats give people an idea of what to look for (and if you've actually looked at the page over the last several years, you may notice I've put more emphasis on "here's why these stats are good and when they fall off" rather than going for hard numbers like "get XYZ amount"

If it were up to me, I'd straight up delete 3/4 of the pages in the guide; pair it down to maybe 4 pages of no shit straightforward information

which is both A) easier to keep updated and B) easier for people to parse and quickly find the info they need

[gaunt owl]

people love easy access to info

[smoky kayak]

but unfortunately, we live in a world of google analytics and even relatively good websites like Wowhead have to care about SEO to stay competitive 🤷‍♂️ (it's also not up to me in any way)

[modest moss]

We're all simple minded zugzuggers the shorter guide the better.

[gaunt owl]

if i dont find something in 3 clicks

i give up

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, I know; I feel the same way most of the time

I have argued endlessly against SEO baity policies and projects

[fresh spire]

inb4 another whole page just for hero talents

[smoky kayak]

probably 2 tbh, at least

[modest moss]

Good lord

[smoky kayak]

one for like "best hero talents" another for breaking down general hero talents... maybe 1 for each hero spec? idk

[visual fern]

Seo =

🤔

[smoky kayak]

I mean why in the fucking world is "Cheat Sheet" a standalone page at the same time that "Season 3" (which is mostly comprised of the cheat sheet") a page?

[modest moss]

Make your own blog on the side that you link in the discord or have you signed a non-compete contract?

[boreal quartz]

Cheat sheet is a good page

[smoky kayak]

And to be clear - this is not a Wowhead problem, IV does the same thing, Noxxic, Method, whoever else is making guides all do the same thing

[prisma heart]

Yo weird place to ask but anyone know if the new easter event boss mount has reduced drop chance after first kill

[smoky kayak]

because if you don't have SEO, you don't have visibility, and if you don't have visibilty, nobody is reading your guide anyway

[prisma heart]

Like on alts

[smoky kayak]

it would be if I didn't have to keep fucking fixing things

[boreal quartz]

Is this sim adjusted item stuff or just formatting being cringe

[smoky kayak]

I mean some things were sim/knowledge adjusted, but mostly formatting and something causes the cheat sheet to be replaced with an old version

[steep osprey]

Minor edits

[smoky kayak]

I don't believe so, no - we were talking about it in Wh earlier and it's believed to be 1% per character (idk if that's the exact number, but you get the idea)

[steep osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148897941883584512/997086666961457203/chatting.gif

[prisma heart]

Thank u 🥹

[smoky kayak]

that's just the placeholder when I can't be assed to put in an actual edit description - regular users can't see this page anyway

the actual "cheat sheet" page users see is just an empty page with an embed in it, so its update history is like... 2 lines

[steep osprey]

I read about SEO a few months ago

[smoky kayak]

Ostensibly the #268491842637660160 channels are for this, but they're pretty badly maintained

1 - I don't actually maintain them, the SF do
2 - I don't really like the method used to maintain them (marok setup some tech to get around the discord character per post limit, which was nice for the time, but is kinda outdated now)

[steep osprey]

Interesting stuff...

[gaunt owl]

with the new forums format and all its far easier to manage now

[smoky kayak]

modernizing this discord is something I've wanted to do for years, but certain people were against many changes - reason we don't have auto-respond bots and stuff are because Marok didn't want them, not because of me

[gaunt owl]

can do some really cool stuff that are far better to handle

[fresh spire]

you on about the threads thing?

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, I wasn't really going to talk about it in public channels until there's something ready to show people, but I did recently get permission from Vel to overhaul Skyhold's format, and it's a side project I've been working on for a while

[fresh spire]

threads are fun as you can unsub from channels and clear clutter so its super condenced

[gaunt owl]

@hexed saddle i blame you

[hexed saddle]

not my fault

[gaunt owl]

i need a scapegoat

[smoky kayak]

threads are nice, but they are a little cluttersome, I like the forum cards better

[hexed saddle]

only SF that does SF things

[rare kite]

seen the shaman discord? their faqs are so neat

[hexed saddle]

deswind and arma do things too

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, I'm familiar with several other discord setups

and I've looked at all of them to get ideas from

[fresh spire]

I've not even seen the forum cards on discord

[rare kite]

ye, just the one that stood out to me

[steep osprey]

Yes, a lot of discords have forums but we don't

They're so good tbh

[smoky kayak]

but I didn't have permission, nor capability to simply make unilateral changes to the format of this discord

[steep osprey]

It's a boomer server

[smoky kayak]

there's a lot of shit in here yall blame me for that I actually have nothing to do with 😆

[rare kite]

druid discord confuses the shit out of me

[fresh spire]

[hexed saddle]

THANK GOD

[fresh spire]

That's just druid in general

[rare kite]

real

[smoky kayak]

that is a concern - I prefer to keep things stupid simple (within reason)

[fresh spire]

They speak on riddles

[gaunt owl]

i'm stupid

[daring heron]

same

[pure otter]

warrior class ened simple instructions

[quasi torrent]

zugzug

[modest moss]

EVERYTHING IS YOUR FAULT FIX IT

[smoky kayak]

also blame @hexed saddle for not updating the FAQ 🙃

[steep osprey]

[pure otter]

non tier havers lmao

[steep osprey]

Xan catching strays

[modest moss]

Non-tier havers sounds like a slur for non-raiders.

[hexed saddle]

NOT MY FAULY

[gaunt owl]

Xan exposed

[hexed saddle]

ONLY SF THAT DOES THINGS

[smoky kayak]

Deswind and Arma do things

[hexed saddle]

(arma and deswind are safe)

[astral yarrow]

📸

[daring heron]

i only yap

[astral yarrow]

Yapcake

[smoky kayak]

Which reminds me, we should probably clean out the SF before next expansion

[pure otter]

Be me, wake up, stub toe, fall to knees screaming at the sky at how this is archis fault

[steep osprey]

Critcake sweating

[pure otter]

man is it bad that i like that yapping has returned to our vocabulary, swear we used to use it a lot more be4 it faded outa existance

[fresh spire]

deswind owns

[fresh spire]

[pure otter]

skyhold besthold

[fresh spire]

i find it odd how the term YAP has just exploded out of no where

we stay it all the time in raid like telling people to stop yapping in pulls

fukin weird

[steep osprey]

stop the yap

[fresh spire]

:no::yappin:

[pure otter]

yaptastic

[fresh spire]

it sounds more pleasent that going "shut up"

[gaunt owl]

these youngsters

i can hardly keep up

[fresh spire]

paaw u yap the most

[smoky kayak]

that has done something last november, you mean 🙃

[hard cobalt]

he do be a yap daddy

[fresh spire]

lets not talk about turtle

hes the kind of yap

[modest moss]

Buncha freeloaders

[hexed saddle]

to be fair i updated fury SMF talents like last month

[smoky kayak]

so you're telling me

you updated the FAQ last month

and it still looks like this?

smh

[hexed saddle]

😭

[fresh spire]

:kekw

[smoky kayak]

way to make it worse for yourself

[hexed saddle]

i didnt want to redo the entire format myself!! i even asked other SF for help!!

and what did i get!

[modest moss]

Shoulda been silent.

[smoky kayak]

I didn't see you ask that

[steep osprey]

can i update faq

[hexed saddle]

it was a while back

i think closer to aberrus than amirdrassil

[smoky kayak]

so more than a month ago

🤔

[hexed saddle]

yes much more

[fresh spire]

Xan is banned from yapping

[hexed saddle]

why!

[fresh spire]

last time he yapped he got warrior nerfed in sofo

[smoky kayak]

I'm hoping to replace the FAQ entirely with something that's easier to update

[hexed saddle]

I DIDNT EVEN PLAY THAT XPAC

[fresh spire]

neverforget

[smoky kayak]

how easy something is to maintain goes hand in hand with the quality of updates

[hexed saddle]

yeah current faq sucks to update i cant lie

[gaunt owl]

long ass wall of text

[smoky kayak]

the state of the FAQ isn't @hexed saddle's fault

[gaunt owl]

probably too hard to navigate properly

[smoky kayak]

it's the fault of the tool used to update it

and that tool was nice several years ago when Marok created it

but there are far better tools now, and this discord simply hasn't modernized with the times - yay for beauracracy!

[steep osprey]

Did you guys see the rogue FAQ? it's glorious

[smoky kayak]

But yeah, I recognize that it has been flagging and have been working to get it modernized (more in prep for next expansion more so than S4)

it's just not as easy as updating a discord run by one person and only used by 20 people

[hard cobalt]

I’m so curious how existing better models exist, worker bees who want to use those models ask for and show them, and bureaucrats still keep things dinosaur age levels of bad

[steep osprey]

change skyhold icon to show a notification icon

for april 1st

[smoky kayak]

We used to, but that's not something I control

[hard cobalt]

especially since this is NOT a business

[smoky kayak]

but like I said, I did talk to Vel about these things, discussed some of the things I want to do to modernize, and already have some plans drawn up

I was going to first share them with the mods and other SF for input before branching out into the public channels for public feedback, but doesn't really matter - I'm happy for yall to know that it is something I'm concerned with and actively trying to improve

[hard cobalt]

that’s good to hear

[hexed saddle]

🥳

[gaunt owl]

so can we go back to blaming Xan for the half assed job now ?

[smoky kayak]

Sure, I think we can all agree that @hexed saddle is the real problem with Skyhold

[hexed saddle]

[halcyon breach]

@hexed saddle

[smoky kayak]

I'm just saying, this was considered one of the best class discords until he became yellow...

[hexed saddle]

why am i bullied by everyone i know

get @ocean pond in here hes great at bullying me

[hard cobalt]

yes he also is mean to me

on twitter

[dull siren]

@quasi torrent

i took my 4th lego

[smoky kayak]

well, Idk if I can blame him for that

[hard cobalt]

[steep osprey]

[steep osprey]

chill

[fresh spire]

offhand ez

[gaunt owl]

you loved the quest so much

you wanna do it again ?

[dull siren]

hold quest until fated

[gaunt owl]

smh roleplayer enjoying questing

[fresh spire]

what does it even say if you try to put it in offhand

[steep osprey]

imagine you can

it's unique eq

[fresh spire]

one is one isnt

[dull siren]

It will just do the same thing I'd imagine

[gaunt owl]

unique but not the same weapon

[fresh spire]

[dull siren]

as when you put on ur first one

ye but it just

sucks you off

[fresh spire]

break game

[dull siren]

and gives u a quest

[fresh spire]

use two

:ez:

Do the quest up to last stage

Hand it inside of s4

Skip upgrade item

[quasi torrent]

surely that's how it works

[smoky kayak]

there's been no confirmation that the legendary will even be obtained at a higher base item level in S4; as far as I recall, the Sylvanas bow wasn't

but at this point, there's not much reason not to wait and hope for the best anyway

[untold trench]

I would not wait, as you could risk blizz doing an oopsie and suddenly BLP has been reset

[gaunt owl]

can hold on the quest item

[untold trench]

Quest item got a starting ilvl tho

[random gazelle]

Sylvanas bow was a higher ilvl if it dropped in fated raid

[quasi torrent]

thats a direct drop though

and not a quest :3

[smoky kayak]

was it? Everything I read suggested otherwise

but I don't have any personal experience, so 🤷‍♂️

doesn't really matter for most of us, since you can't loot Fyr'alath a second time anyway

[fringe moon]

imagine looting the quest item and being on the quest only to have it revoked by Blizz at the start of S4..

[smoky kayak]

gotta loot a new one 🙃

[fringe moon]

yeah the new quest item drop would be labeled with Season 4 or something specific

[smoky kayak]

the legendary is actually bugged on PTR atm, even if you use the dinar item, it doesn't have the awakened tag, so you can't upgrade it beyond 503

[quasi torrent]

new cap is just 503 suck it up

[smoky kayak]

I finally got a few free minutes, and the cheat sheet stuff has been updated (again) @hard cobalt
I actually made entirely new sheets this time and binned the old ones, maybe that will help prevent any weirdness in the future - feel free to lmk if you notice anything odd in the future

[hard cobalt]

thank you, I didn’t mean to make extra work. Just wanted to note I had been referencing that page (for other classes too) a lot as a good quick start. I didn’t realize it was dated until I saw coil a few weeks back

[smoky kayak]

it's not extra work, I don't mind updating or fixing things as they're noticed
I only mind if people notice something wrong and don't mention it

[hard cobalt]

Is Gholak / SMF actually the correct alternative for the 2h list?

I would’ve thought TG with Gorehowl would be better or smth

[smoky kayak]

For Fury you mean? Gholak actually has some cursed tech if you have it at a comparable item level, but not anything I'd recommend people fuck around with - it was originally there because SMF crowd but I guess with the legendary being so available now, you could make an arugment that it's kind pointless now

[nocturne moth]

Looking at the wowhead guide, what would you recommend dropping on the bladestorm m+ build for IP?

[hard cobalt]

Yea. Just double checking

[smoky kayak]

although you actually can pair gholek and the legendary if you wanna do some real dummy shit

[gaunt owl]

forbidden jutsu

[smoky kayak]

I'll take it out though, if for no other reason than because SMF is the devil

[hazy flower]

there is not

there was something about 0/2/4 pc at the start of the season but it was for all classes

• rre buff

[smoky kayak]

if you want IP, easiest switch is just swapping Fueled by Violence; as long as you actually use IP, it's a good pick (though don't forget DStance also exists)

[gaunt owl]

both ability should be baseline for Arms

change my mind

[nocturne moth]

Fair, thanks.

[smoky kayak]

stormwall bis

[gaunt owl]

do they even use it in pvp ?

[fresh spire]

I'd love a world where we had ip and fueled

[smoky kayak]

lol no, it's mostly IP

[fresh spire]

Ip has some super good uses