arms

[thick walrus]

Things like WF and Lego should be bonuses

[exotic kestrel]

thats impossible

[tardy crag]

Pi is just a bonus

Xd

[thick walrus]

I mean I'd rather be above average with buffs than below avg with them

[exotic kestrel]

tell that to specs like unholy dk

or S! demo lock

[tardy crag]

It joke

[frigid lava]

Testing out signet... hmmm not so great in multi target

[tardy crag]

Demo was like that s2 aswell

[exotic kestrel]

main reason i stopped playing lock ngl

[tardy crag]

Could just delete wf and no one would be mad

Enhance don't like pressing it

Then give shaman a real raid buff

[gaunt owl]

Wf raid wide ?

[tardy crag]

No

Enhance only shaman spsc worth bringing because totem is basicly a raid buff in value it brings

[exotic kestrel]

"worth" is a very broad thing here

if ur talking about the absolute optimal comp ur right

in most comps ur fine with bringing Ele and Resto no worries

[tardy crag]

Yea ofc

A good player or anything outweigh a buff value generally but it definitely makes a different getting the same dude to do 10% worse and bring another buff instead

[frigid lava]

signet sims so low... wtf

[lone imp]

good

[shy tide]

@dull siren what 2nd trinket would you run for M+ if you arent deluded like you and dont run boon

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jCCjbAPsp9CDCmAwxa2BfM
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pZdZwDTC3C6AbtzHfjoXSv
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Rqwng7Kj3Pnk9FxqTh9ji

[quasi torrent]

Dslice

7️⃣

7️⃣

[dull siren]

Dslice is well done and good thanks to @sage badge

7 7 7 7 7 7

[quasi torrent]

the apl may be

[dull siren]

the APL is fine for Dslice

@gaunt owl

[shy tide]

torch is kinda based

ngl

[quasi torrent]

but the actual fight situation

is still sus amongus

[shy tide]

grieftorch for turbo prio dmg

feelsstrongman

[dull siren]

Incarnate Icon

[shy tide]

how far behind are torch/cosmic bomba for ST

[dull siren]

is bis

[quasi torrent]

BSL 😠

it was nerfed already too

xdd

[dull siren]

yeee but it's still to good

[quasi torrent]

yy ik

[dull siren]

Ppaw did the trinket sims

[quasi torrent]

im a silly goober, but im not THAT stupid

[dull siren]

ur kinda

dumb

[quasi torrent]

im dumb but not stupid

[shy tide]

ngl i dont think any bosses in fated

are going to be long enough for ramping trinkets

or usefull enough

so to say

[quasi torrent]

rasz and fyrakk

[shy tide]

still going to be giga fast

[quasi torrent]

are gonan be long enough likely

but thats it

[shy tide]

and the last phase is piss

[quasi torrent]

im not spending dinar on that thats for fucking sure

[shy tide]

WE TORCH

send of the shamans to kill themselves

[quasi torrent]

is torch just better than beacon

gg

[shy tide]

well the cdr when someone dies is just too potent ngl

[quasi torrent]

i want 2:40 fight beacon funny rng

[dull siren]

I wonder how many dinars we get

but I think

Lego + Incarn is locked if no other tuning

[shy tide]

probably infinite if they do the transmog shenanigans

[quasi torrent]

with the mount existing and costing 3

[dull siren]

to those

[quasi torrent]

surely we get some

diurnas chosen

also kinda locked ngl

[dull siren]

Yes

It was like

8k diff

on sim

:OMEGA:

[quasi torrent]

ye

fyralath king

dont have to run any cringe fire procs

[dull siren]

helm is also

fire dmg

with the enchant

[quasi torrent]

surely that aint required

with fyralath dot ticking

[dull siren]

nah but it's okayge

[shy tide]

arms being like 10-15K behind fury on ST in aoe setup

is something else

with the torch setup for M+

nvm it picked the ST talents

its like 60K behind fury st in aoe setup

[lone imp]

12 innit

[dreamy spire]

but as someone who plays much pvp this set is bad. U never pick cleave, MS have the highest priotity anyway, crits are hard nerfed in pvp and i lose the 30% DMG buff of Rend. Also it was easy to spread Rend with these Set.

[lone imp]

and items take 2

[exotic kestrel]

cant make everyone happy at the same time

[dull siren]

I mean, For PvP this tier set is stronger than every other tier set???

[exotic kestrel]

or atleast they wont

[dreamy spire]

prob. maybe Unhinged get better in PvP, but there are so many classes with pets, that its often useless.

[teal fossil]

you pvp enjoyer?

also with s3 set you can just RNG someone down from 100-0 with executes

kinda lit

[misty yew]

s

[finite mantle]

mods obliterate this guy for speaking of PvP in my pve channel

[rare kite]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[quasi torrent]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[finite mantle]

Too far

[crystal spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-fill-his-stocking-with-coal-mods-christmas-lowtiergod-ltg-gif-12645377823045477295

[outer holly]

https://tenor.com/view/how-you-doin-hello-austin-powers-smiles-gif-14586998

[prisma heart]

fun and interesting s4 trinket meta 😄

[tardy crag]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-4095597578532971838

[olive nest]

That will probably be a viable option at max ilvl

[tardy crag]

Aoe mabey

[shy tide]

icon + torch for epic prio dmg

[untold elm]

should i ever use rend or should i only be using thunder clap for single target?

[halcyon breach]

Just use TC

[prisma heart]

if u get lucky with set proc u dont even need to tc

[untold elm]

thank you.

[halcyon breach]

The only gain to be found from using Rend is in the opener, and it's by such a tiny amount that it's typically not worth bothering with

[untold elm]

is it fine to take it off my hotbar, or will there be niche situations where i might have to use it?

[halcyon breach]

Atm no, and there wont be in S4 either

[untold elm]

thanks again!

[nova marsh]

Arms never even liked torch

[gaunt owl]

torch sux

[prisma heart]

any branch believers

[shy tide]

yeah but then you have this psycho running around with boon

also puzzlebox seems semi cursed for M+

[prisma heart]

leggo + boon rooting ourselves once a minute surley will go well

[tardy crag]

Torch becon 💀

[shy tide]

torch icon

login

[tardy crag]

Caster warrior

[prisma heart]

i think it will be icon + branch in short fight and icon + brand in long fight, icon + fraggy or boon in m+

[shy tide]

i have no memories of a branch

wtf is a branch

[lone imp]

gnarlroot trinket

[shy tide]

ohh

[rare kite]

It's aight

[gaunt owl]

Rumbling Ruby

you guys have no idea

[lone imp]

Oh boi

[rare kite]

rumbling ruby proc on small spiders shadowmoon burial grounds

[lone imp]

I am a ruby enjoyer

[rare kite]

[fresh spire]

But would you sit on the ruby

[gaunt owl]

i had it once happen

insane proc dmg

just turbo nuked the pack

[slow saddle]

Cant u puzzle bladestorm into boon?🤣

[rare kite]

yee, had ti happen once as well. felt so good

it*

[strange perch]

You guys think the “very rare” items will go to max level when you dinar them?

Like will dinar’d beacon and augury go to a higher max level

[slow saddle]

No

Only if designated the v rare

Ah they were. No i think y can upgrade em

To max

[lone imp]

Yeah they do

[slow saddle]

They should. Seemed very rare = 14 upgrades normal = 12

[strange perch]

Well the latter half of items not very rare in abberus went yo 450

So like asskandi and beacon

[slow saddle]

Ah twerk true.

[olive nest]

Sweet we can buy ilvl now

[smoky kayak]

correct; everything you buy with dinar is still upgraded via the normal system (even the legendary) - vrare stuff just goes to /14 while normal stuff is /12

you buy the actual items at 493, which is 1/X upgrades

[gaunt owl]

i wonder if we get the item that could upgrade heroic gear into mythic gear

like we had in SL s4

[rare kite]

prob

[gaunt owl]

it was a nice system to keep us engage doing lower content

btw guys next tier PI is worth close to 20k for us in Execute

[smoky kayak]

doesn't seem to be the case, the upgrade track effectively replaced that system

[gaunt owl]

so gear gonna be 4/12 in normal and then 8/12 in heroic ?

something like this ?

[smoky kayak]

Correct; 493 (1/X) is Normal fated, Heroic should be 506, and Mythic 519+

[gaunt owl]

better in practice and make all content relevant

[wind flicker]

If only MBG wasnt bugged

[smoky kayak]

or it might start with LFR somewhere, idk; the numbers they gave us during the Mythic+ squish implied Normal fated should be 493

[boreal quartz]

Infinte flightstones to grind again

Love this system

[smoky kayak]

but either way, yeah, there's no "N->H->M" upgrade item this time because it simply isn't needed anymore; the Dragonflight system already has it baked in

[smoky kayak]

they were doing some shit to make flightstones easier to get, but yeah it's still the same system... it also might mean more hard farming in the first weeks to max out crests

[boreal quartz]

Weapon especially going up 14 tiers will be agonizing

[smoky kayak]

but with the changes they made in S3, aspect crests aren't that horrible anymore; you can just show up to raid and get most of them

[boreal quartz]

Crests are fine if you kill bosses yeah

[gaunt owl]

yeah you cap it while doing raid wich is nice

[smoky kayak]

which is similar to getting the SL fated upgrades

[gaunt owl]

back to legion stats

[smoky kayak]

flightstones are still the most annoying part of it for sure

[boreal quartz]

One of everything please

[teal fossil]

Arms doesn’t scale with main stat

Need auras

[gaunt owl]

dps gain going S3 from S4 is insane

[smoky kayak]

I'm curious if healers/tanks are going to splurge on icon too; haven't been keeping up with them

but I'm sure there's going to be a major shit fit within many groups if their tanks/healers don't want Icon, but are told to spend their currency to buy it regardless

[gaunt owl]

its only BIS for Arms with the 3 buffs

[smoky kayak]

for most people, yeah; even after the nerf it still gets a lot of extra power out of the group benefit

need to figure out crafting too; probably bracers/boots

run shadowflame again to help proc eranog ring; maybe swap lariat for M+

[gaunt owl]

BSL is getting gooder

for eranog ring we have so much now

with Lego and Head enchant it should be easy

if they works with that

[smoky kayak]

that's a good point, should probably double check

[smoky kayak]

it's good, but uptime is still iffy on some of the harder fights, unless Awakened raids are just jokingly undertuned

certainly an option, but one I'd call a lot more niche

[gaunt owl]

yeah its not reliable uptime sadly

[dull siren]

sending minecraft screenshots?

[wind flicker]

Yeah want to see the castle i build?

[frigid lava]

I have white castle

[misty iron]

anyone know if legendary is gonna go the "very rare +7ilvl" route? and how many of the "dinar" currency will we get per week? or unannounced yet

[safe blade]

If CS is available, but Avatar is coming off CD in ~12 seconds, would you hold your CS to sync them or would you send CS and then hold your Avatar for when CS comes back?

[gaunt owl]

never hold

[outer holly]

that's 12 seconds of CDR lost

plus you'll be in ToM for most of avvy anyways

[safe blade]

trying to wrap my head around "Avatar simultaneously with Colossus Smash or Warbreaker" in the spec guide. So you never hold CS and instead you would hold Avatar?

or do you just never hold Avatar or CS and just hope they line up sometimes

[gaunt owl]

it should line up

naturally

[safe blade]

wont AM de-sync them?

[outer holly]

In practice between tom and CS you have something like 80-90% uptime

It's kind of hard for them not to line up

[safe blade]

ah okay, that is good way to think of it. Thanks!

[finite wasp]

does anyone else think arms is rlly fcking strong rn in ptr

[outer holly]

It is known

fury is in shambles rn

[finite wasp]

kinda bad news bc i think arms will get the tune hammer soon if so :<

[outer holly]

Too many warriors anyways, blizz isn't gonna make us meta until they can cash in on character boosts

[minor gust]

Need more arms sandbagging

[gaunt owl]

its shit actually

[gaunt owl]

@minor gust look we are shit

cant crit

[visual fern]

Crit is 50/50

Rating is a lie

[gaunt owl]

i just compared to first logs

he got 55% on MS and Exec

skill gapped

[visual fern]

Ppaww log review me ty

Ive played arms like 4x this tier, I'm gwashed gfury

[gaunt owl]

push MS on CD

pray RNG shit

i dont even review my own

[visual fern]

I wonder how much worse

Pressing clap over slam is

[gaunt owl]

a buttload for now

[visual fern]

Cuz I fucking hate slam still

😔

[gaunt owl]

can already use Tclap to get back into shape for next tier

you lose like 2k on sim doing Tclap over Slam now

so not much

less than 1%

A BUTTLOAD

[minor gust]

yep so shit we need that 400% aura buff

[visual fern]

And thats pure ST

[gaunt owl]

yes

[visual fern]

Anytime 2T+

We clappin cheeks

[dull siren]

ew

[visual fern]

🪦

[zenith warren]

is fyrakk p3 the hardest?

[boreal quartz]

Easiest

If ur seed ppl are good

[sharp wyvern]

p1 is hardest

[boreal quartz]

Its like rasz where it's progressively easier as the fight goes on

Xdd

[wicked aurora]

Meanwhile still stuck on tindral

[sharp wyvern]

we are about to reclear tindral for the first time with all the nerfs

i wonder how bad its gonna be

[wicked aurora]

Got him to 14%

We just need more consistency

[boreal quartz]

Glad i skipped tindral

[sharp wyvern]

tindrall is all mechanics

[boreal quartz]

But have to reclear him monday i think

[sharp wyvern]

dps doesnt matter

[wicked aurora]

Inconsistent play is such a killer on that fight

Somehow 300 pulls in we still have issues with tank mushrooms

[sharp wyvern]

14% i assume you havnt needed your flying people to go up twice yet in p3?

[wicked aurora]

Twice not yet no

[sharp wyvern]

cause the 2nd time the second group goes up they are gonna get beamed for sure

but boss can be dead before then

or should rather

[wicked aurora]

I’m just trying to press execute finally man

[sharp wyvern]

arms prog do be a pain above 35%

[wicked aurora]

Real

[sharp wyvern]

at leat you have cleave adds to execute on on fyrakk

[ornate eagle]

hardly

adds are dead before fyrakk comes down again

[wicked aurora]

Pressing the button is enough

[gaunt owl]

everybody so eager to pad

they melt

[ornate eagle]

we did first fyrakk boost today

[sharp wyvern]

imagine not going full ST

[ornate eagle]

and it was one of your cleanest fyrakks ever

xd

[wicked aurora]

I mean heroic adds melt faster than mythic

That’s a given

[ornate eagle]

im talking mythic adds

[wicked aurora]

wtf since when do you raid nom

[ornate eagle]

since early feb

im decently large

but only decent

not good

[wicked aurora]

Not good he says being on average under 100 in ranks for all boss parses

[gaunt owl]

only prog dmg matter

after its get lucky or have free pad 😄

[hazy flower]

honestly the gap between good guilds vs late ce guilds after prog is too big

to properly parse

unless you turbo high roll

the kill timers are so diff

3 min vs 4:30 min volc

etc

[gaunt owl]

need execute phase to last 2min longer 😄

after prog i get bored to parse

i just wanna kill boss

[minor gust]

I had a fat af Nymue pull that woulda been huge but we didnt have a monk or WFT

[boreal quartz]

So you didnt

[gaunt owl]

i hate raid buff

[boreal quartz]

delete all raidbuff

[minor gust]

they aint the best but im happy with my performance this tier Still cant beat my early fury parses on arms in farm tho

not having WFT for last 3 months and monk sitting out on farm is big sad

[gaunt owl]

most people that parse got 1 or 2 boost on some boss

highly illegal tech

the real parse should be speedkill

[ornate eagle]

all my best parses are speedkills

[ornate eagle]

sir we had 2:47 volc

get it right

[shy tide]

peak beacon timing

[ornate eagle]

i played branch

so same outcome

https://i.imgur.com/DMF9iRp.png

oh

my signet went slightly ham on fyrakk kill

[hazy flower]

also

nymue

nymue diff is probably extremely big gap

how many adds you guys have

are u doing it in 1 add or 2 adds

[ornate eagle]

we have r1 nymue speed kill

and played 2 adds

you cant kill boss with only 1 add

[hazy flower]

ye wanted to make sure

still most guilds have 3 adds

[ornate eagle]

ya no we dont have that

at all

[hazy flower]

ye

checked your gnarloot

2:25 vs 3:35

[ornate eagle]

consider doing damage?

[hazy flower]

na

ngl

the damage bump on fyrakk

when 2 golems come down and all the adds spawn

is

[visual fern]

No...

[gloomy summit]

[magic canopy]

S4 arms time

[visual fern]

🪦

[tardy crag]

warlocks have the opisite effect

look like shit ends up op

[visual fern]

Actually I can't speak for BoD and EP

Cuz I didn't play then

Heard fury was strong in EP?

[magic canopy]

[daring heron]

playing arms on ptr is banned

[naive briar]

🍰

[astral yarrow]

only got real numbers on fury, no reason to test arms as the tier set is bad

🖖

[daring heron]

yep

[visual fern]

Yo I hear warrior sucks on PTR?

Needs buff?

[astral yarrow]

no, no buffs

just let us be trash

[visual fern]

True

Been trash all expac, why rise up now

😔

[astral yarrow]

yeah no point

🧎

[hazy flower]

sp cranks on ptr

so does deva xd

[daring heron]

yup

arms sucks on ptr btw

[rain pagoda]

outlaw seems broken on ptr as well

as per usual

[ornate eagle]

Melees looking good on PTR and betas?!

Say it ain't so

[ornate mountain]

Arms badge then that’s gonna be war within waiting room for me then

[ornate eagle]

People almost exclusively playing melees on ptrs and betas cuz they look good but nobody hard spamming casters cuz they dont play well outside of high keys so they end up to be complete wildcards (usually insanely strong in mythic raid and high keys) during the actual season??

Never seen that before

[hardy olive]

Guys r we smashing s4 with huge MS Crits?

[astral yarrow]

nah arms is down bad

dont bother testing

[hazy flower]

are u trying to do reverse xeos

[daring heron]

nah man arms is genuinely bad

listen to aagaard he speaks the truth

[hazy flower]

vdh gapped me on ptr..

and ret

[daring heron]

dont even bother checking out arms on ptr just play fury

[hazy flower]

and every meta spec in season 3

[hardy olive]

Sigh

[keen saffron]

it's a come back for prepatch angle

[hardy olive]

Any date for s4 yet?

[ornate eagle]

no

educated guess is early may

[visual fern]

Fury been meta all expac

Not changing now

Arms dedge

[ornate eagle]

[minor gust]

Arms does in fact

not own

Max said it himself

[ornate eagle]

and max has NEVER been wrong

[daring heron]

[minor gust]

not once not a single time

[daring heron]

man i cant believe i was wrong about rwf fyrakk

i said 3 arms wars on rwf fyrakk

it didnt happen

but wait, if there are 3 arms wars on rwf season 4 fyrakk, i'm still right?

[minor gust]

you baited Riku to playing arms all your fault liquid lost

[daring heron]

true

[ornate eagle]

arms unironically still good on it tho

[minor gust]

it is now

[shadow ibex]

cant believe we played this spec pre buff

man that was a dark time

[opal folio]

Honestly, it was always fine

Fyrakk exposes it somewhat compared to Fury in terms of survivability

Prior to that arms was great imo

[zealous sphinx]

is that really the tier set people wanted somehow EU overwelming random votes on it

[opal folio]

Wait, just to make sure I’m not waffling, we were talking about this tier right?

I didn’t vote, but if I did I would have gone for s1 as well

[zealous sphinx]

Yes but I scolled down form above my bad lol

[opal folio]

We already played s3 just now, 1 > 2

[zealous sphinx]

Im completelly out of the loop with arm for a bit now

Fucking TOM

[minor gust]

A lot of ppl voted with the confidence that blizz wasnt gona tune for shit

[zealous sphinx]

Isnt s1 even worse now that IP doesnt work

[minor gust]

this was also before the s3 tier set got buffed

also ppl wanna press again

now S1 fucking owns

[opal folio]

[minor gust]

big crit dmg

[opal folio]

Glorious parrot

[zealous sphinx]

Cleave was neat

[untold trench]

Cleave is kinda fun

[minor gust]

S1 tier set means we go back to EP rotation in execute

instead of the cursed monstrocity we have now

[fringe moon]

anybody have a macro that will WW if not on CD and then slam if WW on CD?

[reef glade]

y no 2 buttons

😄

[fringe moon]

just simplifying buttons

i currently have them on 2 buttons or using [mod], but just cleaning things up a little

[hazy flower]

imo more smoldy than fyrakk

[reef glade]

i mean idk if theres any special ways that can happen, the like simple 2 iq way i would think is just put ww first and if it cant hit ww (its on cd) it would hit slam

but it might just send the message of "ability on cooldown cant hit" or something

its diff from the bb/ramp macro cuz bb doesnt exist until ramp is hit

[fringe moon]

can't do this simply since they're both on GCD

ehh..will just use my existing setup then

[minor gust]

Finally had good council boss rng

who even needs wft

[proud plover]

You can not do this in wow unfortunately or you'd just have everything in 1 super macro with the apl logic

I use ww with mod shift for slam for st

[teal fossil]

Those macros are essentially illegal yeah

But you can do some magic with weakauras

[prisma heart]

Anyone else's s4 sims heavily favor weird damage effect trinkets even with full ilvl 528 gear? Like other than icon, branch or zaqali grapnel are simming better than beacon or torch etc

[smoky kayak]

Grieftorch isn't actually all that strong of a trinket without death resets, and Beacon copped a big nerf at the start of 10.2

Branch has always been decently strong; Grapnel too (though it has a lot of strength budget and is annoying to use)

[warped spade]

😳

[smoky kayak]

Seal of Filial Duty is low key really good

[warped spade]

That is INSANE uptime

where do we get our haste though :S

[smoky kayak]

I used it through basically all of Aberrus prog (partially because I never got anything better, partly so my RL wouldn't bitch about my using Sark cloak lol)

[smoky kayak]

it is a haste ring

low haste, but haste nonetheless

[warped spade]

with rings and tier alone I dropped around 700 haste

2nd ring has no haste and tier has low haste on almost all pieces but pants which has none

[prisma heart]

ya for sure just weird that underperforming trinkets from their tier are better than the trinkets they were worse than before. branch is currently pretty good i admit

[warped spade]

Zaqali assault has haste pants!! saved!

[smoky kayak]

Yeah I'm not sure I'd say branch underperformed, but part of that is tuning and power creep

Beacon got slammed when 10.2 released to get tanks to stop using it lol

[prisma heart]

ooh ya i remember

[warped spade]

even pre-nerf chromatic is WAY worse than post nerf icon for crit lovers.. I feel like most trinks have gone downhill from s1

alsmost double the crit of a +7 ilvl augury

and it has str

and it has a proc

[prisma heart]

based on early sims it looks like icon will be bis and chromatic and pips will be b tier

single target i mean

anything could change tho hehe

[warped spade]

looks like fyralath also helps quite a bit with both vault rings

[smoky kayak]

yeah, so does the hat enchant

[warped spade]

we can still use that?

[clever crag]

So we gon do all raids every week or what

[smoky kayak]

I don't see why we couldn't 🤷‍♂️ they haven't depreciated it yet

[smoky kayak]

it rotates each week, will probably enable all 3 towards the end like in SL

[bleak fog]

Can you copy all your WA's over to PTR on some way?

[clever crag]

Ah cool

Should do that with dungs too, all DF ones suck

Maybe except AA

[gaunt owl]

Head enchant even scale with the item ilvl strangely enough

[smoky kayak]

should be able to copy the WTF files over

[smoky kayak]

probably on purpose just for this reason (built in S3 to scale into S4)

[obtuse copper]

Oh shit that's huge thanks to Leggo huh?

[gaunt owl]

Lego finally useful

Btw i do think there is a bug on live with lego not getting the dmg amp from dot properly applied

I got some piss poor lego funnel dmg on Tindral yesterday

[smoky kayak]

it's a "feature" - the marks aren't all absorbed instantly or even at the same time; they trickle in, which means if the targets are getting blown up, they can sometimes die before their marks are absorbed

it also means that some of the slashes can end up getting buffed by different amounts than others

[gaunt owl]

I was sure it was doing something like this

So timing is even harder because roots melt fast with 3 feather giga buffed

[smoky kayak]

tbf I've mentioned it to you several times since the start of the tier 😆

but yeah, it makes the whole "funnel" aspect a real crapshoot

[gaunt owl]

Nah cant be my memory is perfect

[smoky kayak]

tru

[gaunt owl]

I got so many easy funnel before the 3 feather

[smoky kayak]

what you can do, if your tanks/RL really like you

is have them pull tindral to a position where you can hit him but won't hit the roots with fyr'alath

but that's kinda more trouble than its worth

[gaunt owl]

The boss move so weirdly on its own sometimes

[smoky kayak]

its got kind of a big aoe that does hit backwards though, so it'd be hella gimmicky and you'd still end up splitting damage with the tanks' roots unless they pop themselves with freedom or w/e

[gaunt owl]

Not gonna ask the Princess treatment

Yeah the hitbox is so funky

[smoky kayak]

it's basically a claymore

[gaunt owl]

I wish they gave us a better visual for the hitbox

[smoky kayak]

well, I don't think it was really intended to be used with this kind of funnel shenanigans

[fading isle]

Is Merciless Bonegrinder broken

like after bladestorm ends, is not working

so reported as a bug :)

Cleave gaming

[clever crag]

So with the raids mfs will rotate all mythic raids ? Loool

That sounds insane for a prog guild

[gaunt owl]

Each week an other raid will be Awakened like it was for SL s4

[clever crag]

Didnt play a second of SL

[rare kite]

yes, been broken for a while

[zealous rampart]

shame

[frigid lava]

So I'm attempting +22 tyrannicals this week... do you guys normally stance dance during boss encounters?

shit hurts

or are you guys too high on vers

[boreal quartz]

Im 489 i dont need to go dstance for stuff cuz of my HP pool

Just using ip/sr/dbts is enough

[frigid lava]

I haven't been using.. ip i think i should

[boreal quartz]

Absolutely

Overpowered defensive

Considering you can stack them

[frigid lava]

Hmmm makes sense since we are swimming in rage until 35%

[boreal quartz]

Even in execute you are

Loooove sd

[frigid lava]

I rotate execute->execute->overpower->MS usually

enough to use all the rage

cs when available and op when nothing is available

[compact geyser]

swap out fueled by violence for ip. fbv is bait and ip is goated

[frigid lava]

frorreall?? fueld by violence does pretty decent healing overal

[compact geyser]

the damage reduction from ignore pain is too good to pass up. and its on demand

[boreal quartz]

A tick does maybe 600 hp

Nothing to prevent you from dying

It's pad hps

[frigid lava]

hmmm

ic

ip can prevent fatal dmg

[compact geyser]

yea i guess u could go for 99 heal parse stacking fbv and 2nd wind

[frigid lava]

shit... which button to use for ip

[lone imp]

on all of my shit... F is small defensive and G is big, so F for IP and G for parry

And E for sr

[compact geyser]

i use E for charge/intervene F kick G brez bracers and shift Q for sr. my defs are rally on T and dbts/regen on v and i keep ip on 7 on my naga so i just hit it with my thumb

[lone imp]

mw up is kick on everything

shift q is charge

[compact geyser]

i tried that but i would waste kicks by bumping the scroll wheel

[frigid lava]

i need scroll for zoom in/out

[lone imp]

Is your wheel unlocked like some kind of heathen

[lone imp]

stop lol

[compact geyser]

nah i moved that to [ scroll in and ] scroll out

i hardly ever change my pov zoom

[frigid lava]

wish I could bind something on my ring finger

[compact geyser]

#maxcameragamer

[frigid lava]

thumb side is reserved for movement keys (charge/leap/etc)

[lone imp]

I alt mw for zoom

[compact geyser]

you use a normal mouse with just m4 and m5 ?

[frigid lava]

i use the logitech g550... is that it

[lone imp]

Man I think I have more rotational buttons on my mouse than my keyboard

[compact geyser]

Just the two side buttons

[lone imp]

Might be pretty even

[frigid lava]

g502 actually

[compact geyser]

ok i have one of those. when i played wow with it i made m4 and m5 ctrl and alt modifers so i wouldnt have to reach down with my pinky

[compact geyser]

its a decent mouse

not a fan of the logitech software though

[lone imp]

There's lots of binds available on that deal

Dude me either

[frigid lava]

been using logitech brand since the 90s. they are reliable

yea didn't mess with the software much

[lone imp]

I had so many instances where the software would open a second iteration of itself and put me on two different profiles

so one buttone would press multiple buttons

Super cool because the one that would always happen to me was that my keybind for rampage would bloodthirst instead

[compact geyser]

i just got a Naga v2 pro hyperspeed

[frigid lava]

naga with all them buttons

[lone imp]

I have a naga too, I use the 6 button side panel

[compact geyser]

yea its got 12 on the side plus i rebound scroll left and scroll right

[lone imp]

Yeah I have every mw direction bound, even have the speed buttons bound

[compact geyser]

scroll left is hamstring and scroll right is piercing howl

[frigid lava]

2 is hamstring for me...

[lone imp]

I haven't had hamstring on my bars since sl

[frigid lava]

weirdly.. 1 is avatar lol

hamstring is rarelyh used in pve..

guess im going to replace it with ip

[lone imp]

I used it in sl all the time

for keys

[compact geyser]

then if i hold shit scroll left drops warbanner and right is shockwave

[lone imp]

shift mw right is shockwave for me

[compact geyser]

yea hamstring comes in handy to help kite

why would you have avatar at 1 ?

[lone imp]

Yeah the number one place I would use it is dogs in hoi

or whatever that halls one was

[frigid lava]

aiight i like it at number 2 ip

[lone imp]

wait 2 is ip

[compact geyser]

usually 1-4 is core spells like ms op etc with cds on modifiers somewhere

for me its ms op slam/cleave exe and ww is on 5

[boreal quartz]

IP is Shift 2

[frigid lava]

current setup for now

[lone imp]

Wild

[frigid lava]

I know

but my fingers use them with instinct

[compact geyser]

bruh ur shit is crazy

[boreal quartz]

Exe keybind is degen

[frigid lava]

I didn't play wow for more than a year but they remembered the moment I logged in

[compact geyser]

all ur core spells are way to spread out.

[frigid lava]

it's a regular keyboard

[buoyant axle]

mine is v :))

[frigid lava]

v (thumb) =cs

[compact geyser]

you got execute on b .. how u supposed to spam that in execute range ? awkward as hell

[frigid lava]

hell yea

it's on my thumb

[buoyant axle]

for you maybe, im spamming v and its so chill

[frigid lava]

thumb duty = cs, execute, interrupt

[compact geyser]

so ur hitting space bar every other execute ? jumping all over the place

[frigid lava]

uh... no why would i

[buoyant axle]

no? what does space bar have to do with pressing v/b XD

well my keyboard is probably older than me so maybe thats the difference

[compact geyser]

if ur hitting it with ur thumb it def can snag the bar unless ur holding ur hand up high

[frigid lava]

knowing I trash my keyboard... i bought a cheap membrane one.. I also don't live alone anymore so. no mechanical for me

[compact geyser]

my keys are super responsive. i barely tap em and they register

[frigid lava]

nah my hand rests on keybaord. I only press what i need

[buoyant axle]

thats the difference then

thats not the case for me

[compact geyser]

ah ok

[buoyant axle]

i really have to press down

[frigid lava]

Mine is a classic logitech keyboard

I probably paid $10 or less

had nice mechanical ones in the past but... I think I like this more lol

[buoyant axle]

i mean look at my dirty ass keyborad

[frigid lava]

Can't get more basic than this logitech k120

[buoyant axle]

[frigid lava]

OG keyboard

[buoyant axle]

true

[frigid lava]

10 bux

anger management isn't affected by IP?

[rare kite]

nope, IP has no benefit for anger managament tactician or Test of might

[frigid lava]

sad shit

[rare kite]

worked last tier and the tier before that, but they removed the interaction coz it was degen and gave us a compensation buff

[frigid lava]

compensation buff?

[boreal quartz]

Ye 6% dam buff or so

[frigid lava]

ah...

[boreal quartz]

As you lost damage with the ip change

[frigid lava]

cruel blizzard

[dull siren]

[daring heron]

illegal

[olive nest]

Be sure to research the most optimal switches for spamming the execute keybind

[lone imp]

Not having to ip for damage was nice

good change

[olive nest]

Ngl I liked it

Bigger ToM

More mitigation without extra thought

But tbf, at least now you use it when you actually need it

[rustic knot]

When does next trading post come out?

[lone imp]

beginning of every month innit

[rustic knot]

Ah okay next Tuesday then

Ty

[frigid lava]

PAYDAY

[boreal quartz]

2

[frigid lava]

Apparently IP doesn't do more heal(mitigation) than fuled by violence overall

[boreal quartz]

Do not look at overall hps

Completely useless metric

[frigid lava]

yea i mean just overall numbers

[boreal quartz]

If you are trying to live a specific damage intake

[frigid lava]

I understand why IP is better

[teal fossil]

i think thats a well known fact

FBV healing more than IP

especially because FBV scales with target counts

[frigid lava]

yea

[boreal quartz]

Me healing 600 per tick vs yazma soulrend

[frigid lava]

SR?

❤️

[boreal quartz]

I forgor what the name of the drop is

But that thing for example is insane ip value

Cuz you get to comfortably stack it

[frigid lava]

current season item?

[boreal quartz]

No as in the soul spawn

[daring heron]

without IP i'd die to yazma on 29/30, and i've done 32

prestacking it for soulrend is absolutely essential

[teal fossil]

have you tried getitng more vers instead

are you just casting IP on CD

just to ensure you have a fat one ready

[daring heron]

ye pmuch

wish it wasnt so easy to mess up tho

ip has 11s cd and 12s duration, if you mismanage rage or forget to cast IP again in that 1s window, it won't stack

[teal fossil]

/cast ip /cast ms

he was right all along

[daring heron]

yikes

[frigid lava]

do u really macro that

[teal fossil]

we made fun of him because he told the truth

[daring heron]

nay

[teal fossil]

nah there was someone here who swore by it

coupel years back

[exotic kestrel]

that macro hurt my eyes

It should give u a bit longer window to get it to stack tho, 1 sec is wild

better yet full value on 30sec cd

[gaunt owl]

If you spam IP on CD its more value ackshually

On ST off course

[fresh spire]

[daring heron]

fbv pretty funny in everbloom

as long as you dont get oneshot and there's aoe the abom dot does nothing

[gaunt owl]

We should have both baseline

And bring back the talent that make IP bigger with dmg done

[bleak fog]

What build do you run on PTR @daring heron ?

Is it random season 2 build that work or something new 🙂

Skipped season 2 ^^

[daring heron]

same as current 1x bladestorm but with a point in cleave instead of massacre or bloodborne

[daring heron]

brutal vitality, ye thatd be sick

[hazy flower]

I need some avoidance so I dont have to d stance in brh p1

[daring heron]

the 35% explosion?

[gaunt owl]

It is time we push that agenda

[daring heron]

i never got close to dying with rally 3x ip parry sr

only use dstance if boss gets stacks

[hazy flower]

Nah I mean in kur talos

First boss is fine everyone is popping everything anyways

[daring heron]

aaah ye

we never pop anything there cause we can do 2x meld tech

[hazy flower]

Nono for p1

For regular shadow bolt

Not volley

[daring heron]

single bolts dont get reduced by avoid does it

[hazy flower]

They do

By avoidance

[daring heron]

damn didnt know

[hazy flower]

Theyre classified as aoe

Just like hateful charge btw

On 3rd boss the soak mechanic

[hazy flower]

At least thats how noteven puts it

[daring heron]

i just cycle SR / DBTS / SR / Dstance as needed

if i have 3x IP i can usually skip 1 of those

[frigid lava]

did yall buy the rune from emerald dream camp? 100k gold one?

[hazy flower]

For me its 2 stacks

Im doing a bit lower

[bleak fog]

Nop

[frigid lava]

I panic pop all of them sometimes.

[hazy flower]

Got x2 ad 29 as a warmup and ad 30 so it surely is timed

And I still havent took a key from vault

[daring heron]

we have 2x ad32 and 1x brh32 atm for sunday this week

[hazy flower]

Deadge

Ive looked over ad32 and thats the part where you gotta triple ip iirc

[daring heron]

ya

[hazy flower]

Cringe

[daring heron]

im going out for yazma livelord setup as fury tho

[hazy flower]

Ah

The fury abuse

Get it

[daring heron]

more consistent than 3x ip

[hazy flower]

Yeah probably better value + can actually cleave adds too

Im always going out for full arms st before yazma

So I can use some sd on adds but nothing too big of a cleave

[hazy flower]

@daring heron are u guys popping anything with the meld tech or just good ol' small defs like sr

[daring heron]

on brh last boss?

nah you get the buff before bolt volley hits so no defs needed

can send sr to reduce some of the dam tho

[gaunt owl]

in legion you had the first volley bolt hitting you before you get buffed

[daring heron]

still the case now

but with meld tech you can delay the first volley long enough for you to get the buff

[gaunt owl]

calling blizzard bug abuser

Meld is so OP the stuff you can do

[daring heron]

was being used in legion too

yeah meld is crazy

[hazy flower]

just wanted to make sure 100% thanks

I only did it once

[daring heron]

it's definitely possible with just 1 meld, but not sure if consistent?

[hazy flower]

I dont think so

the one I tried

or wait maybe?

lemme check vod

I think some1 fucked up there

[daring heron]

you premove out
boss starts casting
you taunt
tank melds before end of cast
boss recasts on you (you can now safely charge back in)
you meld before end of cast

[hazy flower]

ye I checked vod

1 meld is enough

but like

turbo tight

and gotta do the first meld at the very end

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2101868718?t=05h20m26s

also

[magic canopy]

HoI last boss reflects are back

[daring heron]

yeah i did 2x per phase yesterday

but idk how im gonna cook a way to survive it 2x on high keys

will involve rageheart somehow

[magic canopy]

yeah you gotta have everything to not die

how big is the shield with the ilvl anyway

gotta be somethin like close to 2m right?

[daring heron]

not sure actually

someone could use echo of neltharion trinket to help also

wait might be misremembering here

no i wasnt

this one

[magic canopy]

ye

rageheart one and maybe healer has that for the second

[gaunt owl]

how big will the shield be in S4

gonna go check on PTR

[magic canopy]

wheres the gear vendors

[daring heron]

sw or org

[magic canopy]

im on ptr right now but its all low ilvl stuff

and the rageheart isnt on the vendor

[gaunt owl]

probably filtered out for Warrior

[daring heron]

p sure i saw the rageheart

[gaunt owl]

holy fuck the shield

[magic canopy]

that one is there

but the rageheart isnt

[gaunt owl]

rage heart is so much bigger

[magic canopy]

wait huh

i was talking to the wrong guy

🤦‍♂️

[hexed saddle]

aint no way

@gloomy summit put it in the thread

@visual helm u too

[daring heron]

ya that's massive, should help a ton

[hazy flower]

1,5m

as I thought

but generally

rageheart is super w.e

the 1m absorb is enough

to survive oneshot mechanics without defs

thats the whole point

thats why u dont usually calculate with it, just pop it and you're fine

[gaunt owl]

its warlock lvl of CD def

[hazy flower]

wtf do warlocks have

on tindral

our lock would tank 3 beams in a row

like

[daring heron]

I love how rageheart gets deleted by stinging swarm and soul thorns

[hazy flower]

https://tenor.com/view/nick-young-huh-what-confused-question-mark-gif-17888030

[magic canopy]

unending resolve and dark pact

are funny buttons

[gaunt owl]

warlock is the best turret spec

[magic canopy]

after the eggnog ring nerf

i wonder if its worth using still

probably is for flat damage

[hazy flower]

true but those hit like truck and require constant heal

[daring heron]

yup

[daring heron]

cant see it not being worth

it's more than 0 dmg

[magic canopy]

esp for a ring slot

everyones gonna be using dinars on both rings probably

leather users going back to the fire helm

[daring heron]

you'll just balance your stats around them anyway

[gaunt owl]

its free dmg

[daring heron]

not like you're hard avoiding those stats when stat DR is a thing

[magic canopy]

ya

dude the kurog trinket

[visual helm]

all he had to do was last 6 weeks without screwing up... can't even go a day without something new in the thread

[hexed saddle]

gg...

[magic canopy]

this is gonna own on outlaw

[hexed saddle]

ive heard outlaw sims for 480k

[magic canopy]

its joever

[hazy flower]

deva sims 450

[hexed saddle]

man balance next season is gonna be so fucked

[hazy flower]

supposedly 10% higher than any other spec

[gaunt owl]

so we need MS 20% buff

and 3% aura on top

easy

[hexed saddle]

well considering arms sims for 430k thats just false

[gaunt owl]

no we are shit

i cheated on the sims

[hexed saddle]

[daring heron]

warrior gonna scale

[hexed saddle]

fury simming sub 400k

outlaw simming 480k

[halcyon breach]

warrior scales proportional to the amount of warriors in 1 raid group

[hexed saddle]

[halcyon breach]

@daring heron

[hexed saddle]

game is good

[daring heron]

true

scaling with aura buffs surely

[magic canopy]

i cant wait to have that ring for M+ though

the shield alone

[halcyon breach]

We've only had 1 this tier

[hexed saddle]

300k shield

very normal

[daring heron]

time for another

[hexed saddle]

1.3m hp pool + 300k shield

epic

balanced

[magic canopy]

baze owns me should be the thread

[daring heron]

it's about to become sporecloaked

[hexed saddle]

yeah i wouldnt be surprised if it got nuked

[magic canopy]

why did sporecloak gotta be bad man

[hexed saddle]

40% uptime on 20% hp shield

[magic canopy]

i was looking forward to it

[hexed saddle]

surely balanced

[magic canopy]

tbh they shouldnt nerf anything and just let everyone be op

[daring heron]

also wouldnt be too surprised if it is left as is since it's the last season

[hexed saddle]

yeah could go either way...

same with class tuning...

[daring heron]

it's 50 50

lets hope we win the coin flips

[rare kite]

More likely than not i think

[hexed saddle]

gonna be so funny if s4 launches with 100k dps discrepancy between specs

holy fuck people would freak out

[fresh spire]

Surely warrior best dps

Tbf

Rogue launched this patch with like 70k+

Something stupid

[hexed saddle]

log hooks werent working thi

not a fair comparison

[fresh spire]

Just beliveve

Arms is sandbaging

[rare kite]

Still arent

[fresh spire]

We sim like 5999999

[hexed saddle]

yeah but they are working a lot better than they were at the start of the patch

[rare kite]

Ye tru

[dull siren]

@daring heron

i gave u some stuff in dms

🤝

[frigid lava]

Ah... another great moment of M+... 9 minutes left at last boss, one wipe, lock leaves.

[latent moss]

feet pics?

[opal folio]

uwu

[daring heron]

yep they're 10/10

[latent moss]

im jealous now

[analog marten]

problem of warrior is we r mid or top of mid most of the time feels like so we rarely get touched

thats good and bad at the same time

[latent moss]

i mean its good since we are almost always good in raid

and raid buffs forces u to bring one

[analog marten]

yeah at least we r never shit like this

[teal fossil]

anyone remmeber 9.2 mage

they dropped mage for lords of dread

game was at its best

[latent moss]

uhdk

cn nerf

mastery by like 80%

9.0

sub rogue in bfa

xdd

[analog marten]

but hoping for buffs as war is idk, dont know how it looks rightnow but normaly we dont see too much of it 😄 so yeah

[latent moss]

we are top tier atm

in raid

dont let doomers gaslight you

[gaunt owl]

fun fight as Arms

[bleak fog]

https://tenor.com/view/the-end-the-end-is-near-simpsons-homer-simpson-end-of-the-world-gif-5236371

[latent moss]

ye and then everyone was dealing more dmg