arms

[proud plover]

yep

[misty plaza]

So you would overall say it's just RNG right?

[proud plover]

mostly rng

[misty plaza]

Thank you for the input ^^

[hallow vale]

I have noticed over the years that crit is not so rng and is more "controlled rng". I feel like if you have 33% crit it will double every time you do not crit so you can crit every 3rd attack. I played around with my resto shaman in SL i just spammed lightning bolts on the dummy for like 2 minutes and the % of crits i had was extremely close to what my % crit stat was

this is all my mumbo jumbo tho

[sacred zodiac]

yes that is how randomness works

[hallow vale]

well no

[proud plover]

spend an hour on target dummies straight you will see the % of crits close

[daring flicker]

Sonic Boom blasts

[hallow vale]

true randomness is literally /roll in wow

[sacred zodiac]

p sure crit isnt rng controlled

[proud plover]

yeah pretty sure wow was built on /roll 1000 from the ground up

[gaunt owl]

Can high roll and low roll that is the fun part

[misty yew]

whats the best way of managing mirrors that spawn on morchie

i always get meleed

do they spawn on top of you or random spots?

there must be a preemptive move I can make

[boreal quartz]

Ontop of you when the mechanic goes and then once they activate you should already be gone

[proud plover]

i like to pop dbts and face tank one while others kite into trap to allow some time for the debuff to drop - dont leap directly over the traps tho you trigger them - you will see the circle they will spawn in go out just before they activate

[quasi torrent]

wdym isnt? crit is very much actually the odds without blp or rppm

[untold trench]

Didn't they normalise crit, to stop the insane RNG disparity that could happen?

[quasi torrent]

no

you can go a whole fight without critting your ramp, technically

the odds for that are so incredibly slim that itll never happen, though

[sacred zodiac]

wdym with rng disparity tho

cause you wont see someone randomly critting 20% more ramps than someone else with the same crit chance if you ramp like 300+ times a fight

[untold trench]

Ya could, true RNG is funny like that. You could also see 0 crits

[quasi torrent]

going outside of 1 sigma of the expected value on decently high N (trials) is

[sacred zodiac]

you could but you never have and you never will

[quasi torrent]

is just

not real

or well, outside 3 sigma more like

1 sigma covers just 68% of runs so

[dreamy spire]

Quick question, i picked the bonegrinder talent (when bladestorm ends, WW & Cleave do 50% more dmg for 9 sec) - but i dont get the buff at all. Played this build in S1 and it worked, but now it doesnt. Bug? Or did they change something?

[lethal schooner]

Bro never played storm enhancement build to see what’s real insane rng is

[untold trench]

I don't find one guy critting 36 times and an other guy critting 29 unlikely at a 10% base chance 300 times. Avg on 300 would be 30.

[proud plover]

are you 100% certain you hit save on thee build

[sacred zodiac]

doesnt bonegrinder just hit one ww now <- fake news probably idk

[untold trench]

Bonegrinder still doesn't work, no?

[untold trench]

It is bugged ATM

[dreamy spire]

yes - also changed to spec a and back to spec with bonegrinder and i dont get the buff

[untold trench]

Doesn't work, report sent ingame and on the forum

[dreamy spire]

seems so

[untold trench]

[dreamy spire]

Allright thank u

[sacred zodiac]

man i just said random numbers just imagine the chances would be outlandish

[untold trench]

Please do remember to send in the bug report, and go on the forum and report it there as well. Maybe it gets fixed

[untold trench]

How many got legendary week 1 Vs week 15

[proud plover]

ptr soon we fix it there

[sacred zodiac]

tldr you hit a lot of times so trial count is high therefore extremely unlikely you can blame specifically crit rng on parsing bad

[untold trench]

Never overestimate the "rules" of true RNG

300 ain't that high a number

[quasi torrent]

bro

[proud plover]

sample size of 'ms' was 44 v 48 - sample size is tiny

[quasi torrent]

i guarantee you that spongie has a better grasp on numbers than you

[untold trench]

300000000 and we talking

[quasi torrent]

n = 300 with p = 0.1

is not irrelevant

which is the numbers we were talking about

[untold trench]

Aight, so we ignoring outliers from your rule, fair. We can keep it bound to theoretical averages

[quasi torrent]

with those numbers ~70% of the results will be within 30 +/- 5

and 95% will be within 10-40

and hitting 0 crits is 10^(-300)

which is a

silly small number

thats orders of magnitude larger than comparing our solar system to an atom kinda large

[untold trench]

My point stands, 300, 10%, finding a guy with 20% diff won't be hard. That was what you argued. One doing 29 and one 36 isn't outlandish

[quasi torrent]

what

are u smoking

go back to posting about 51 that makes more sense than this

[untold trench]

Fair, you and I clearly don't work from the same point of views. Your point is that it can't happen, I say it can happen.

[quasi torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/1blocked-message-discord-meme-troll-brick-wall-gif-23392632

https://tenor.com/view/number-1-fire-gif-75624632996465874

[frigid lava]

SERVER UP YET?

[quasi torrent]

not down in the good regions 👍

[viral hill]

Cant wait for my vault to offer me 3 items i dont need

[frigid lava]

Same

[untold trench]

3k gold a week, pays for parts of your sub

[quasi torrent]

we are in week 17 or 18 or smth

so getting vault upgrades is unfortunately rather unlikely :x

[frigid lava]

week 5 for me lol

Still got same shit 3 weeks in a row

[untold trench]

WoW never changes in how it does that

[viral hill]

If it gives me another weapon im just playing fury now

[frigid lava]

Fury no fun for me... :0

AOE rotation feels too clunky for me

[untold trench]

Not a fan of ww every 5th, eh?

[viral hill]

Im not a fan of fury neither but i honestly haven’t given it a real shot

[untold trench]

Sweeping do feel better, just wish it wasn't on GCD

[frigid lava]

I play fury time to time just to feel like playing something new.

[viral hill]

Just ran 2 keys and when my dps was 25% less than my arms i stopped lol

[hazy flower]

@ornate eagle

3709

[untold trench]

Gz on o.1%

[hazy flower]

not yet

I'm in the cutoff but it's not over :p

[cunning heart]

hey quick question are the sims accurate for augury? seems to me like a good proc during execute phase should give this trinket huge value right?

[slow saddle]

But fury aoe is always ww every 5 no matter the set bonus

[slow saddle]

It is indeed volatile

So it can highroll

Still my 489 rezan has mainstat and less variance so prob better.

[cunning heart]

so if I am going for logs equipping it would be wise?

to get that high roll

[ornate eagle]

I cba running augury these days

I just run pips

Sims Just as good

[latent moss]

same

ive been advocating for pips since day one of the patch!!!!!

[frigid lava]

Come on vault god!

[gaunt owl]

Pip is probably more reliable

[frigid lava]

shit again

[untold trench]

Aug sims show the avg, it can highroll or go low. So often it is taken for the insane potential.
Sims acc tho

[carmine fossil]

this vault thingy.. is neat.. but i dont know if i should go for ilvl, or try and figure out what is a good upgrade lol

[frigid lava]

Would you start spending secondary stats else where when haste reaches 40%

[fresh spire]

Pips or that vers dungeon trinket

[copper swan]

looking for mog in vault

[dire hinge]

no rageheart

[untold elm]

from reading the guide on wowhead, does arms not have a multi-target build for raids?

[astral yarrow]

Long sweep is the most multi target we usually go

Bladestorm is too costly on the single target front

[untold elm]

which one of the M+ build is the long sweep?

[astral yarrow]

the standard m+ build is bladestorm+hurricane with long sweep

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1173642348899606598/1204160158108753980/image.png?ex=66145209&is=6601dd09&hm=a5853451344bb17b60d5bea45559a643cb6f5f902d9ac950910fac7ce19bfc1c&

you can take the point from endurance training and put it into cruel strikes

[untold elm]

i see. and that's the one i should be using for raids for multitarget?

[astral yarrow]

for fight specific builds (not that it changes much) you can go to warcraftlogs

for raid, the most you change is Strength of Arms into long sweep and take a point from cruel strikes and make roar a 1 min CD with Uproar

obviously you dont need stormbolt for raid either

i use this addon for specific builds for most characters so i dont forget the small changes you might make on fight per fight basis

[halcyon breach]

M+, Real M+, Tryhard M+

Important distinctions

[astral yarrow]

its just more CC xd

[untold elm]

thank you very much! last question. do secondary stats matter that much if my gear is prioritized for fury?

[astral yarrow]

yes and no

feel might be very different but actual performance is somewhere in the +-5% area

[untold elm]

got it. thank you.

[smoky kayak]

yeah it's been bugged since 10.2.6 and since been reported; need to check on PTR today to see if it's fixed or not

[grave cedar]

Did the APL get updated? I'm simming 300 higher than before out of nowhere

[smoky kayak]

I guess that depends on when the last time you simmed, but nothing specifically has changed for Arms outside of fixing a bug check with Spiteful Serenity almost a week ago

there's pretty much always some kind of update to SimC going out every single day if not multiple times per day, though usually not APL related; game data updates, module updates, back end optimizations, bug fixes, etc

[teal fossil]

or the good old variance

[frigid lava]

Do I need a full run of normal to increase the chance for leggo?

or just fyrakk

[dreamy spire]

allright

Got my leggy now, does the use effect stack with potions/Avatar/CS/The 5% more DMG Done while Dragonroar bleedings via PvP Talent? 😄 Guess it only stack with Deep wounds.

[hazy flower]

Only secondary stats

Except mastery

[smoky kayak]

No, only Vers, crit, and external damage buffs (smolderon)

And haste makes the channel faster

Class stuff only affects class stuff

[dire hinge]

no it's cumulative for the whole week, meaning if you kill it on heroic it also includes your LFR and Normal chances automatically

just kill it on the hardest difficulty you can and dont overthink it

[latent moss]

and then there are wings

for some reason increasing the stat itself

[frigid lava]

should i run full heroic though?

[latent moss]

ideally yes but small embers are like

0.1%

[paper gulch]

Doesnt really help much

Do what you want. The axe will inevitably drop regardless

[frigid lava]

I started like a month ago... so got some to catch up

[latent moss]

i wish it was just

guaranteed on alts

[frigid lava]

but got it... it's only like 0.1% chance increase per boss

[latent moss]

if u have acheive on one of ur characters

make it drop on the first kill on alts

[opaque lake]

Do the Allied bracers assume 4 stacks with 100% uptime in sims?

[gaunt owl]

yes

because you should have perma uptime in raid scenario and m+

[halcyon breach]

akcshually it's like 94% uptime of 4 stacks

[gaunt owl]

[halcyon breach]

Chatting

[gaunt owl]

its bugged i'm sure

[latent moss]

is 256k breakable

[gaunt owl]

maybe troll with heavy restat

not sure i peak at 255k when i get PIPS or Augury

[latent moss]

buff arms

[trim arrow]

@halcyon breach whats sauce on the pfp

[halcyon breach]

Masoq on twitter

[trim arrow]

[finite mantle]

Benzai read sakamoto days it has multiple pfp women for you

🫡

[halcyon breach]

Very important factor I will peep

[minor gust]

Banezi out here collecting anime pfp like pokemon

[smoky kayak]

PTR is (mostly) updated for Season 4

• Tier isn't yet available, but probably will be soonish

• Season 1-3 items updated to 489/535 item level can be found on the Alliance PvP vendor in Stormwind; others will probably be updated soonish

• The legendary upgrade item is purchased with new dinar - no purchase priority until we know how many we get and how we get them

• Vendor gear requires two dinar and it appears we'll get 12 (unconfirmed), which is enough for the legendary upgrade, 2 trinkets, Eranog ring, and Sark cloak, with two leftover (extra trinkets or Ashkandur if you want to play Fury)

• Mythic+ Keystones are available to test; squish changes are being implemented in real time, so there may be some wonkiness (M+ is all 8 Dragonflight dungeons, no remakes)

• No meaningful class or gear changes found yet

• April trading post is also available because why not

[prisma heart]

I want giga PC 2 run sims every tier of every race, trinket, talent, consumable, and secondary stat distribution combination in one giant sim. Find the one true bis...

[dire hinge]

dang raids will rotate

[gaunt owl]

go knock yourself out

[dire hinge]

hell yeah Mythic+2 Raid here we come

[prisma heart]

My PC freeze @ 1 mil iterations I would need quantum computer for sim tht big

[boreal quartz]

So 999,999 is the Limit

[prisma heart]

No raidbots let's u go to 16 mil

Still not enough to do everything in one sim, have 2 break larger sims into smaller sims.

[gaunt owl]

there are ways to sim smartly

[prisma heart]

Of course

[gaunt owl]

without going overboard on iteration

[prisma heart]

For sure

[dire hinge]

W

[boreal quartz]

DOGSHIT KEYSTOJE

ROT IN HELL PISS KEY

AAAA

[dire hinge]

this'll be interesting. You can't zerg the final Halls boss, but also you might not need to do two gauntlets any more either

[gaunt owl]

looks like a 2 phase boss now nice

[fringe moon]

hmm...i hope the item needed to upgrade our lego to S4 isn't the same currency we need to purchase our 1 item

[grand idol]

No tuning yet to season 4 trinkets right?

[astral yarrow]

that was last week

[grand idol]

Oh

[astral yarrow]

or with the 10.2.6 patch

[gaunt owl]

#fury message

bad news about lego item upgrade

[dire hinge]

ooo no slow on the final boss of Azure Vault, nice nice

[gaunt owl]

but well we dont know how dinar will be obtain or work or how many

[grand idol]

I see. Missed it. ty

[fringe moon]

I thought I read somewhere about only being able to purchase 1 item

[compact geyser]

boss is a non issue cuz it dies after spell reflect!!!

[quasi torrent]

this is a net positive outside of super dogshit low keys.

[shy tide]

now i cant watch high end key pushers suffer through their 5th intermission

big downside

[dire hinge]

absolutely, super neat change

[crimson charm]

In other news, the item to buy extra sockets now only costs 3 tokens, rather than 6, full vault still gives 6 tokens

[misty iron]

woah

[crimson charm]

Don't you just love opening a vault on the PTR, just to find something that you'll now never see again from a live vault?

[gaunt owl]

It is so gone

[crimson charm]

But I guess I can confirm that the raid option will be from all 3 raids, meaning it's 200% less likely to drop each week. :)

[gaunt owl]

yep thats the worst part about that screenshot

[quasi torrent]

still no tertiary items gg

[fringe moon]

would be nice if they added a token to add a random tertiary to a piece of armor

[gaunt owl]

so you can get indestructible

NICE

[dire hinge]

hell yeah lower my repair bill

[smoky kayak]

good find; makes sense given that its a short season

[shy tide]

262K shield

what was our HP before the HP buffs in season one

they doubled our HP like once or twice right

or something

[winged sorrel]

what arms rotation priority in m+

[lavish iron]

😳 🤣

[minor gust]

yes that is beacon what about it?

[grand idol]

pvp next season, Channel beacon into fyrath

[minor gust]

both are severly nerfed in pvp but yeah still funny burst

[quaint otter]

Channel beacon while fyralath

50% crit build

boom

[minor gust]

Beacon is a cast not channel so cant do that unfort

[winged sorrel]

in multitarget why does it say to avatar after warbreaker and not before

[minor gust]

where are you seeing this?

[winged sorrel]

icyveins

oh because of bladestorm i think

[minor gust]

if you are running Blademasters torment yeah you would want to make sure CS debuff is up first

but the opener if you have all cds is different

you would want to avatar first

[winged sorrel]

wat

[minor gust]

if you have all cds available going into the pull and are running double bladestorm your opener would look like this
Charge - TC - Avatar - WB - TR - WW - OP - OP - BS

and then go into normal MT priority

big thing is making sure you are extending the hurricane buff and not letting it drop off

[winged sorrel]

how long is the bladestorm from torment

[minor gust]

same as normal BS

dont know the duration off the top my head sorry

[winged sorrel]

ok so it would waste the warbreaker if i did it earlier?

[minor gust]

the idea behind this opener is just effectivly stacking your buffs

[winged sorrel]

but why would that change after the opener

roar and avatar are lined up

[minor gust]

well usually you run 1 minute roar with this build

and with AM BS is a 1 min cd

[winged sorrel]

i wont i hate 1 min roar

[minor gust]

so there will be times you will have WB TR and BS up but not ava

[winged sorrel]

ok i will just have to play around and see

[minor gust]

either way if u dont run 1 min roar WB and BS will be up but not TR and ava

[winged sorrel]

yeah i realize that now

ok i go try

[minor gust]

np

[winged sorrel]

well wait thunderous words isnt better?

doesnt that affect my rend

[minor gust]

you would take both

[winged sorrel]

oh

[minor gust]

drop 1 point outta cruel strikes

[fringe moon]

missed opportunity by blizzard to not just make the S4 fated season a torghast style raid. 1 random boss per floor, up to 10 floors with 10th boss being 1 of the end bosses.

[minor gust]

I remember talking to my guild about that woulda been cool idea

take 10 of the best bosses of the expansion and take portals to their boss rooms 1 by 1

[opal folio]

I would prefer an all new mini raid

3 bosses

Something that ties into the next expac

Like halion for cata in wotlk

[teal fossil]

Imagine having a week where it’s just undoable for 70% of the guilds

[quasi torrent]

that's fun

[teal fossil]

T swift first boss

[quasi torrent]

time off

[teal fossil]

Not raiding for the week boys

[smoky kayak]

Add the lfr determination system and maybe 🤣

[fringe moon]

I would imagine if this were really a thing, they'd have the bosses be categorized by appropriate difficulty so you're not getting hit with broodkeeper or tindral for the 1st boss

[smoky kayak]

idk could be fun either way, just add the determination system lmao

[fresh spire]

[small carbon]

does fyra'alaths on-use effect gain anything from actives like CS, or avatar? trying to decide if i should use it as an opener, or do my cooldowns while waiting for the passive to stack then use it after my cooldowns expire

[fierce walrus]

helllo. i have seen some guides say that during execute phase we double execute and then mortal strike with 2x executioner precision buff, but when i check logs ppl are using way more executes until they use mortal strike. whats the optimal ?

[sharp dust]

I did it boys

[untold trench]

Nop, warrior kit does not boost the legendary

[untold trench]

Big gz

[untold trench]

Check the top logs, copy what they are doing on that fight

[sharp dust]

usually they use a third execute instead of an overpower before a mortal strike when they have 60/70+ rage

Something like that

eventhough it was like a 0.1% increase or smth like that

[astral yarrow]

optimally you execute at above 40 rage, OP below 40 rage and MS when you have 2 stacks of EP and OP (2EP1OP in CS+ToM overlap, but veeeeeery minor)

[sharp dust]

just press the glowy butons

[astral yarrow]

only OP when it resets, Execute when SD procs and MS when OP resets it

got it

[sharp dust]

[sharp dust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1042762634539319366/1053485451668901988/20221217_013459.gif

[proud plover]

If enough rage you might get 8+ executes in a row

[sharp dust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898720803586048/1037464605414412298/HyperCondemn.gif

[dire hinge]

hps?

[sharp dust]

[dire hinge]

hell yeah

[sharp dust]

the only stat that matters

[dire hinge]

extremely based

[winged sorrel]

so after aoe opener just spam mortal strike on CD and fill with OP? alongside sudden death procs

[versed carbon]

we going back to cleavi cleave

[proud plover]

6 sec cleave fob build for m+, let's start cooking

Mbg also

[winged sorrel]

._.

[proud plover]

For m+ I usually sd > ms > op and funnel prio damage but I'm playing jugg, what you do depends on build and target count

[abstract vale]

Man fuck cleave, it's just bad ww

[winged sorrel]

its for bladestorm build

[proud plover]

For s4 with s1 tier bonus

[abstract vale]

I'm aware

Still don't like it

[astral yarrow]

cleave is making a return

even cleave on ST is not down bad somehow

[terse osprey]

WW or BS build for dungeons?

[astral yarrow]

both work

FoB is simpler to execute though

[rain pagoda]

are season 1 talent builds archived on wowhead somewhere? i cant remember the arms build for the life of me

[proud plover]

it changed cause we used sks

[rain pagoda]

oh hmm. even in m+?

[minor gust]

we wont be using the same build for S4 than we did in S1

[rain pagoda]

yeah i suppose not. so many changes since then

wasnt thinkin

[vestal smelt]

This is simming slightly higher for me in dungeon slice and quite a bit higher on patchwerk. This is the Juggernaut build. Perhaps Fatality isn't too bad in tyrannical dungeons

[untold elm]

Quick questions. Is it fine to macro colossus smash with avatar?
And, should I be aligning every other smash with avatar?

[vestal smelt]

You should always try to line them up but that should happen naturally if you're playing your rotation well

[untold elm]

I see. Wouldn’t anger management make every other colossus smash come off cd earlier than avatar?

[proud plover]

dont macro wb with avatar if using blademasters torment (free bladestorm) because you hold wb for right after when you have full hurricane stacks

[vestal smelt]

But also you're not supposed to be using that build atm

But still not a good idea to macro avatar like that either way. You want to try to control where you use your Warbreaker

[proud plover]

hrm? the bladestorm build is amazing for keys because you can channel the leggo inside the free one

charge > tc > (i roar here) > avatar/free bstorm/leggo > wb > sd/op > bladestorm

[untold elm]

Still a little confused about aligning colossus smash and avatar.
Without anger management, every other colossus smash already aligns with avatar. So with anger management, am I able to fit in a 3rd colossus smash before avatar comes off cooldown?

Or what does it mean when cooldowns should align naturally? It was written in the guide as well.

[proud plover]

if they align, they do but dont hold them because you might lose a casts overall

[vestal smelt]

I wouldn't know. I've not got the leggo. 12 runs now I think

[proud plover]

this week surely

[vestal smelt]

[untold elm]

Got it, thanks.

[proud plover]

fatality is kinda hard to stack high enough in keys until you hit keys where things live, its fun in eb and brh with the damage buffs on bosses but i dropped it and started running this jugg build - valor in victory = 1m dbts, imp ss for op/dn cleave, i avoid ww almost completely and prio funnel jugg = SD > MS > OP > slam or tc to fish for resets

[vestal smelt]

Yea but this means that I have to press Slam for OP resets. I would run it without WW if I take Exhilirating Blows. I hate pressing Slam

[proud plover]

slams not a bad button to press, i like it cause some prio damage and cleaved by imp ss, op resets a shitload without pressing ww

i havent done a key in a few weeks but i cant really think where i had to press slam more than once in a row or a tc to get a reset

[vestal smelt]

Hmmm

[proud plover]

with the amount of sd procs and ms resets via battlelord you almost always have 1 charge of op

[vestal smelt]

Maybe I will give it a try

Why are you taking Seismic reverb in this build?

Surely that's better in endurance training no?

[proud plover]

lol thats a key from mid jan i grabbed my build from, no idea tbh

ill log in and see what it actually is

ima be pissed if all the keys i ran since then had it cause i dont even look anymore lmao

[vestal smelt]

Lmao

[proud plover]

phew

[vestal smelt]

I'll try it out

[ornate eagle]

where storm of swords

thats kinda sus to not have

[proud plover]

i dont press ww

[ornate eagle]

[proud plover]

its all SD/MS/OP

[hazy flower]

might with avoidance in vault?

or copium?

[ornate eagle]

ill go for tank loot

[hazy flower]

nome

wanna fish for keys

with me

do some +2's

[ornate eagle]

gettin that mythic rageheart with leech

🙏

[hazy flower]

I need brh or ad 30 from vault

[proud plover]

last key (18 ad) i did weeks ago, it performs well withhout ww

[ornate eagle]

if you like it, by all means

but i aint gonna say its good

[proud plover]

mininal ww usagee

[ornate eagle]

bro its sanguine week

[proud plover]

press ww for extra range

[hazy flower]

its bolstering week

[ornate eagle]

nvm bolstering

same shit

[hazy flower]

still doable

[ornate eagle]

https://i.imgur.com/DGUSePb.png

its that easy

also wanna guess the key i got

🙂

[minor gust]

Mythic Augury doesnt exist AHHHHHHHHH

[rare kite]

Throne

[ornate eagle]

worse

way worse

[teal fossil]

yeah this build is known to be fine on dungeon slice

the main problem is that you have to ensure all the fatality stacks are consumed on every mob

[vestal smelt]

Honestly it's not that big of a deal to just cycle through each one

[teal fossil]

its not

but youd be surprised how much youll miss

[vestal smelt]

Honestly though the damage on ST alone is big enough for me to take it during tyran weeks

[teal fossil]

also the main problem is that, in bigger AOE, you want to prio OP>MS and then you lose on fatality procs

its okay during tyrannical weeks

not great

that 2nd point in bloodborn is infinitely more consistent

[hazy flower]

im fishing

for key

[ornate eagle]

gl with that

[ornate eagle]

i got everbloom

[hazy flower]

I'll wait

and look for

ad

[dire hinge]

grats on the hps parses 👏 🔥

[ornate eagle]

sir thats for keys

[dire hinge]

key hps parsing even better 📈

[ornate eagle]

just dont play with a healer

you get to have all the hps

[dire hinge]

all the cool kids are doing it

[hazy flower]

I'm only 8...

[ornate eagle]

im 10th

its over

[hazy flower]

rageheart abuser

[dire hinge]

10th for now*
you've unlocked the rageheart boost

[formal verge]

For M Fyrakk, What type of dps are yall doing for p1? I feel like I'm not doing the best or are we just wet noodles til inter -> P2

[ornate eagle]

look at me go dude

[ornate eagle]

i already had heroic rageheart

[dire hinge]

yeah but this one is better \o/

[ornate eagle]

200-230k depending on rng

[hazy flower]

are u lusting on pull

[ornate eagle]

no

[hazy flower]

no shot you're doing 230k

in p1

[ornate eagle]

with good rng

i am

[hazy flower]

🤨

I've never had 230k I think

max like 220

and it's really rare

usually 180-200

[ornate eagle]

our rogues leave with 350k-380k

real fun

[hazy flower]

they're rogues tho

[ornate eagle]

sub is not normally

[hazy flower]

how many dreamrends u got

still 2?

[ornate eagle]

1

[hazy flower]

aha

ok makes sense

with 1 dreamrend timing

I was max at 260

or 250

[hazy flower]

was like no way you're doing 230k with 2 dreamrends

[hazy flower]

what time

[ornate eagle]

1:48

[formal verge]

hmm i hover around like 180-190. I feel like most of my dmg is tanking on the dreamrend's if tank pulls the boss deep early on. Is there something I should do to maximize uptime? Feels out of everything there is just a lack of uptime for me on the boss.

[ornate eagle]

1:46

[hazy flower]

cba looking through logs but defo was around 240+ with good rng

but I wouldn't really put that into the usual

[ornate eagle]

we at worst get 2 waves of balls of the 2nd dreamrend

planned push timing is at 1:52 tho

[hazy flower]

yeah that's defo not us

we're like 2:30'ish?

Haven't looked at timer

but I always have lego

and hold it

[hazy flower]

also

I like how you're lowest with that dps

it's definitely not shit dps

lmao

are u guys doing fyrakk in 7 mins or smth

[ornate eagle]

8:27

was our recent kill

[hazy flower]

u must have whole raid full of insane blasters

[ornate eagle]

theyre pretty good yeah

when i was tanking nymue for the first time we got r1 speed nymue

xd

[hazy flower]

ye speedkillst must be fun

so much easier to parse

[ornate eagle]

we dont even optimise for them

the people just blast that hard

[hazy flower]

ye

got 1 rio yday at the very end

while retiming key

hoping to get last moment ad

[ornate eagle]

i got 20 points total that week, so still ahead of the curve to make title

[hazy flower]

I got 40

[ornate eagle]

but its getting tighter

still has loads of free tyr keys to time tho

[hazy flower]

look at this pain

lmao

18 deaths

[ornate eagle]

we depleted 28 wcm by 12 seconds

with 40 deaths

things uh

happened

[teal fossil]

Were at least 3 of those 40 deaths avoidable you think

[olive nest]

tree boss?

[frigid lava]

Just looted heroic signet...

it's nice

[hallow vale]

Do you think puzzlebox will be the go in dungeons in s4?

[frigid lava]

im not a fan of 3 min cd trink..

[steep osprey]

didn't it also get nerfed

Idk about puzzle

What other trinkets are really good in M+ DF?

@hexed saddle Stormboon bis for M+

don't @steep osprey

why did i tag myself...

[hexed saddle]

wrong

might be giga dam but it still has the same issue of "you fucking die when you press this"

[quasi torrent]

rogue diff

[gaunt owl]

Push buttons

Get bubble

[steep osprey]

skill issue

[mortal vigil]

this might be too much

[shy tide]

i think you need more

[hallow vale]

not fan of big cds as well. Hope other trinks are competitive as well

[steep osprey]

not enough

[fresh spire]

MOAR

[dull siren]

Lariat is dead

[boreal quartz]

RIP

[latent moss]

@hazy flower

prot angle

[dull siren]

yapper

[latent moss]

idk i had to take something

was between this and legs

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wALVMURDsvhAmfNK7GsKcC

PTR sims

[latent moss]

eranog ring not better?

[dull siren]

brug

do not check the equip at the top

check the compare

[latent moss]

wait

thats uldaman neck

which means i have to play uldaman

[dull siren]

I was to lazy to set up my own shit so I yoinked @gaunt owl

xdd

did the compares

[latent moss]

y

441 isnt bad i guess

i have 0 clue

about other specs

[dull siren]

ppaww was cooking with a ring we can't get he was hiding tech

🍣

[latent moss]

[boreal quartz]

It's far above average

Most specs around 400ish

[jade merlin]

Bros is iron counterweight better then + wep dmg for pvp arms ?

[rare kite]

Ask the pvp channel

[latent moss]

funny tierset

[steep osprey]

I have this one too

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pZdZwDTC3C6AbtzHfjoXSv

ran a dslice @boreal quartz

[misty yew]

Going up 1k DPS through replace neck normal?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f8GiNWJ2E13An4oomShGtt

[dull siren]

maybe if you add sockets to the neck

it's like 2k+

[misty yew]

how do you add sockets?

sorry starting new again

[dull siren]

Go to AH

[misty yew]

...regardless the sim doesn't mention sockets but still a straight 1k upgrade

[dull siren]

🤷‍♂️ it depends on ur stats most likely

i can sim ur gear real quick

[misty yew]

ok

[steep osprey]

Run with Stormboon

trinket

[dull siren]

Eh, You won't play that in M+.
Unless you are willing to die for your sins.
If you get a bad swirl on you or such

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7wkWuEZdoRjrwSocUzZqw6

[steep osprey]

you know you can use BS to move during it right

[dull siren]

If you get the raid helm enchant the helm comes out ahead as well as you want to change weap enchant for more haste.

If you don't get the enchant let me rerun, Forgot I had it in.

[steep osprey]

tmy

[dull siren]

What

@misty yew https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nTdQEfTq3FiBdNSEguCNTK

[steep osprey]

.

[dull siren]

You couldn't in S1

[steep osprey]

I'm pretty sure u could

I remember 100%

[dull siren]

The only people that could move during it was rogues with shadowsteps as far as I remember

[gaunt owl]

No you couldnt

[misty yew]

wow thnaks

[gaunt owl]

Fury short memory problem

[dull siren]

Just make sure to kill some raid bosses with the quest in the raid

so u get that helm enchant

😄

[latent moss]

arms is surely

back to n1 execute spec

with this tier

BIG numbers

RELIABLE numbers

[gaunt owl]

Should be

[latent moss]

i think its n1 rn too

assa is ass

[half spoke]

Only fury should have big numbers!!!!! Arms should have many medium numbers!!!!

[latent moss]

fuck fury

[half spoke]

Let me zug to the moon

[steep osprey]

Why do I remember it working

like i could have sworn

[boreal quartz]

Yuge

[misty yew]

Hey @dull siren I already picked my GV reward, can you sim me again now https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cCZMYsCUUrv38JLzjgnB2B

*picked it before we spoke

My version of simc doesn't let me select more gems

[steep osprey]

what do you reckon are the bis trinkets Timmy

[misty yew]

I see might getting alot of play but not necessarily best on sims

[steep osprey]

might is not gonna be a thing in s4

Im talking about s4

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sg6y5UKfKiDV4Lse8os6NS

it's a big sim

it's gonna take some time

but there u go

[misty yew]

cheers bto

r

[dull siren]

s4 bis?
Idk, It's all situational

Manic Grieftorch is hella good

if ur friends burn to hell

so u get resets

[steep osprey]

is puzzle gonna be good

it was nerfed

[dull siren]

Puzzle has a 30sec duration uptime with a 3min CD

So you get pretty good usage still for m+

[steep osprey]

hmmge

[dull siren]

Nelth trinket

might be good

[steep osprey]

Which one is that

[dull siren]

I'm gonna do some sims of it more.
Beacon is a good situational trinket also

[steep osprey]

oh the aoe one

aoe gives u str

[snow flame]

the puzzle box is a freak

delete it

[snow flame]

I wish this was good

too bad it sucks

[dull siren]

it was good

[steep osprey]

I don't remember what beacon does

[dull siren]

in max ilvl

[dull siren]

channel a star thingy

it hits

it does dam

[steep osprey]

oh that one

[snow flame]

sims razor coral

[steep osprey]

lmao

[dull siren]

https://spotify.link/qMVUhfhWiIb

fk wrong link

xd

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8h57chevQLbcABKqB27EF9

Manic Grieftorch Dslice

ahh

I have ST

talents

AHHHH

[snow flame]

I said razoe

coral

not no grieftorch

[dull siren]

fk razor coral

[steep osprey]

D:

[snow flame]

the HoI trinket

is pretty nuts

actually

gives like 8k

[latent moss]

didnt they fix it

so it works properly

with dn

[steep osprey]

dn dn

[snow flame]

nice

[dull siren]

u have

autism

[snow flame]

me and tmy are jamming

together

[dull siren]

@snow flame

U CHANGED

MY PLAYLIST

[snow flame]

lmao

[steep osprey]

what

did eh DO

[snow flame]

we're vibing

never done this before

[steep osprey]

what is in there

[dull siren]

music

[snow flame]

it's like facetiming

but it's through music

[steep osprey]

Yeah what kinda music tho

[boreal quartz]

Penis music

[steep osprey]

that is an interesting genre

[dull siren]

@snow flame

Who is in

🎡

[snow flame]

[steep osprey]

what song you listening to now

[snow flame]

Designer drugs

by boldy james

actually now it's six toes

[steep osprey]

never heard of that

[snow flame]

it's a vibe

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4Rqwng7Kj3Pnk9FxqTh9ji

Manic Grieftorch Slice

[steep osprey]

I neveer got grieftorch in s1

[snow flame]

avg Eu player

[latent moss]

i made my own which just whispered u are all nothing but food to me

[dreamy spire]

Is there an overview for all the returning tiersets? Set bonus and how they are gonna look like? Didnt find Any.

And isnt there any balance change or did i missed them aswell?

[misty iron]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/season-4-tier-set-bonuses-and-transmogs-voting-concluded-337144

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jCCjbAPsp9CDCmAwxa2BfM

@steep osprey

here you go

storm eater's

[misty iron]

where MBG

[dull siren]

MBG, Is just full pad.
This is playing a realistic good M+ build where you are relevant in more than just 30 mobs

[misty yew]

MBG is bugged right now

Doesn't go off

[misty iron]

yes but me like cleave

[dreamy spire]

Thank you, kinda sad that s3 didnt won...

[misty iron]

depends who you ask, mortal strike is back to being more important now

[steep osprey]

Nic

e

[dull siren]

S1 gives you more options and what style you want to play outside of "Single Target"

Single Target is always the same since our spec is so fun

OP OP MS OP MS OP MS

[misty iron]

what options are those? MBG might be more viable, but jugg and FoB less

or are you talking strictly raid

[dull siren]

M+, You can play Short Cleave - No Cleave, MGB, Jugg.
There's a lot of options

in raid we are gonna play the ST build that preforms the best in M+ you can make ur own choice well u can in raid too, if u wanna underpreform

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j3rgXshdAcseFWjBnVbcej

This is the current ST sim

of PTR rn

[misty iron]

idk why i assumed cleave without MBG is shit

[dull siren]

but anything can change

[misty iron]

but apparently not

[dull siren]

Cleave is really strong

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jCCjbAPsp9CDCmAwxa2BfM

[misty iron]

alright, i'm back to arms next season

[dull siren]

This is the build that came out ahead on Dslice

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pZdZwDTC3C6AbtzHfjoXSv

Puzzlebox

weewoo

[misty iron]

this is actually nuts, most specs sim for ~400k currently

destro seems to be really ahead at 410k compared to most

[dull siren]

we can always troll around

and play 5min 5bosses

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dYp74dNDCrKAyE2BLiovSe

[misty iron]

out of the ones i follow

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pami3yFWDBuqFN1m6JbFsG

@misty iron

[misty iron]

damn ok

any other stars?

[snow flame]

not fury

that's for sure

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hf6az1wfBj3MxWmbP89a7g

EB ST

[lone imp]

BSL gaming too I see

[boreal quartz]

You tried some more trinkets?

Suuurely rasz trinket

[dull siren]

I've not yet, I stopt for now have to do some studies n etc

I mean, @gaunt owl did trinkets

yday I think

[jade basalt]

Was there any big change to arms that can affect rotation/gameplay since 10.2 release? Returning to arms after several months and want to check out if there was anything

[dull siren]

and these 2 came up ahead

[dull siren]

nope

[boreal quartz]

Nothing

[jade basalt]

Gotcha, thanks!

[boreal quartz]

The s3 thing you stop doing with s1

[dull siren]

@boreal quartz

do I order

[lone imp]

Those both look fire

[rare kite]

kjøp den med rødløk

[halcyon breach]

no shot you put that in a burger

[dull siren]

käften banezi

[halcyon breach]

oh ok

undskyld

[dull siren]

[dull siren]

köp båda

[rare kite]

smart

[jade basalt]

Waiting for big crit dam in s4 again

I just wish that havoc crit talent become ours

Or 8yard range

[dull siren]

The Arms

Dslice looks fun

Just have to decide if u kill urself with Storm-Eaters

or if you play like a human with Puzzlebox

[jade basalt]

520 Boon, what damage will it be

2mil dps

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jCCjbAPsp9CDCmAwxa2BfM

[jade basalt]

Holy odyn’s beard

Oh and it’s a cleave build. Extra cool

[lone imp]

catch me boonin

[dull siren]

Cleave weaving for Tier set as well as cleave just

fucks hard

probs gonna set up and do some PTR keys at some point

[jade basalt]

[dull siren]

Power Infusion

goes hard now tho

xd

[jade basalt]

Bit surprised with eranog ring tho

[dull siren]

Why?

[jade basalt]

After the nerf and…axe being the only fire dam

[dull siren]

Borrowed power is king

[dull siren]

helm enchant

[jade basalt]

Ah

[lone imp]

Ring fucks hard

[jade basalt]

Why did I think that as a phys

Weirdge

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rPLS5aSdjrGKHaAKQ1qQ1w

I milked ST a bit more

[snow flame]

I just got done blasting a ptr key

sheesh

[iron spade]

ok thats making the havoc sims ive seen look fucking grim

[snow flame]

fuck havoc fr

[lone imp]

True fuck havoc

[snow flame]

they got to enjoy a full tier being op

if I got one tier of warrior being op I would never complain again

[fresh spire]

Ngl @dull siren

[halcyon breach]

Clueless

[fresh spire]

I'm so fucking happy eb is good

Can't wait bs rng msmsmsmsmmsmsmsmsms

Any archeron enjoyers in the chat

[snow flame]

I wish we had cooler crafted stuff

verse wrist are so boring

[fresh spire]

Still good amount of stats

Given we're starting to go more into vers now

Nothing stopping you playing 2x shadowflame

[dull siren]

if you have

60% Blue Silk

you can play 2x

🗂️

[snow flame]

yeah I have em

[shy tide]

hooooly

[dull siren]

i also got one of these today

with a hole

[shy tide]

i got like 4 sockets saved up

we speeding

[lone imp]

I got 22% sped

sup

quicc

[fresh spire]

Keenstar

[scenic sequoia]

https://tenor.com/view/keemstar-screaming-no-shout-gif-16709963

[fresh spire]

https://tenor.com/view/keemstar-im-fast-as-fuck-boi-keemstar-run-running-fast-gif-18083431

Man I've not heard of the gnome in a good while

[dull siren]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nfifJBFPk9JkH3EjfjvkWU

@gaunt owl

[latent moss]

IRIDEUS 50% tom

on fatality

11k str fatality

• tom

[dull siren]

[latent moss]

imagine if tom snapshot was a thing

if you could snapshot 11k str

that would be funny

[dull siren]

??

It does

get buffed

[latent moss]

i mean imagine if irideus 11k str for 13 seconds

or however long tom is

[dull siren]

Well, The increase works on it but also decreases along side the fragment

[latent moss]

y

[jade basalt]

3min

[dull siren]

3min's r better than 2mins

for us

[jade basalt]

True

[steep osprey]

Exhiliarating blows feels so good

I got like 5 procs in a row

look at the MS %

3 mins

not too bad i guess

[quasi torrent]

we hate CTC

[steep osprey]

it works

I mean they fixed it

for OP i assume?

[quasi torrent]

u mean dn?

[steep osprey]

yes

[quasi torrent]

i mean go to dummy

[woven wasp]

dn

[quasi torrent]

hit only OP MS

until u get it

no WW

[steep osprey]

I did

[quasi torrent]

if u dont after 2min

[steep osprey]

ok im gonna try again

[quasi torrent]

its UNLIKELY

it works

[steep osprey]

ok we hate CTC

im gonna try it with aoe dummis

@dull siren have you tried Exhilirating Blows for cleave?

[boreal quartz]

Running dogshit trinket xd

[gaunt owl]

CTC get procced by DN its just not good enough

[latent moss]

what are the numbers

for ctc

at 535

iirc its low as fuck

[steep osprey]

I know, gonna replace it

what's bis?

feral kinda op, bursted giga on dummies without any buffs

[latent moss]

thats feral

and then its dogshit

[steep osprey]

it kept up like 250k dps on ST dummy

for a while

[latent moss]

what ilvl are we on ptr

529?

[steep osprey]

513

[latent moss]

thats low for that ilvl

[steep osprey]

i am 513

just put some random bullshit on lmao

[latent moss]

arms bis is icon+something

1500 secondary stat stick is just

funny

probably gonna be icon+puzzlebox in m+

or stormeaters if u are balling

[steep osprey]

lmao

[latent moss]

st is icon signet

[steep osprey]

im trying out dif specs

[steep osprey]

what do yo uthink of fragment

[boreal quartz]

Nah

[steep osprey]

right

[snow flame]

left

[steep osprey]

down

[gaunt owl]

Icon gonna require all buff to be bis

[misty iron]

with the tierset next season i wonder if it's a good idea to drop bloodborne for a point in cleave for add heavy fights and padding

[gaunt owl]

Without the 3 buff it was 2nd

[steep osprey]

what is gbis

with no buffs

[latent moss]

y in m+ is prob gonna be oce+

unless everyone runs icon but oce is insane in keys

[snow flame]

maybe I'm just fried and a little rough on my fury rotation but it needs a buff fr

[gaunt owl]

Brand is bis

Fury is down the gutter

[latent moss]

ye

[snow flame]

although I didn't have WFT

[latent moss]

fury is joever

[gaunt owl]

Get fuck bozo

[snow flame]

which is massive for s2

[steep osprey]

idol of trampling hooves is the bis

[exotic kestrel]

Arms time

[latent moss]

was it?

i dont remember it being ahead of arms

it was definitely not ahead of arms im sure of that

[lone imp]

I do like the animation lol

[steep osprey]

fury is over

[lone imp]

Fuck it we ball

[snow flame]

yes wft is very good for s2 ramp procs

more ramps means more cd

[steep osprey]

anyone else forgot about raging blow

[fresh spire]

Windfury half value it has in s3 for s2

[exotic kestrel]

i too enjoy being very dependent on outside forces for my dps..

[fresh spire]

Play arms

Wf value all time low from this rage capping

[exotic kestrel]

yeh good

[fresh spire]

Only has value 35% if the fight

[exotic kestrel]

i wish windfury had 0 value for arms

[thick walrus]

Like ret?

[exotic kestrel]

yes

[thick walrus]

I wish we weren't balanced around the idea that we always have wind fury

[shy tide]

stop spreading slander

[tardy crag]

Then u would just be op when u do have it

[harsh wraith]

Is it possible to test the lege axe in ptr?