arms

[forest sluice]

Tf are those nameplates, how can you see anything

[hazy flower]

I cant

thats the trick

im fucked in mass aoe but cba changing bc im lazy

[gaunt owl]

the screenshot confused me so much

i still cant understand

[forest sluice]

Also nice censoring

[hazy flower]

dont care enough to censor

[forest sluice]

When we can see names on castbar

[hazy flower]

as I didnt slander anyone

personally

I slandered the whole group equally

[forest sluice]

👍

[forest sluice]

Based

[hazy flower]

let me pull up

fall first pull

[forest sluice]

[hazy flower]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n49v1gDcJjk&ab_channel=Myrtuu乡

[forest sluice]

Well that's not THAT bad when they're stacked

[gaunt owl]

you didnt use lego

slacking

[forest sluice]

He fid

Did

[hazy flower]

I did

even used outside of all m ycds

calculated

[gaunt owl]

ok why not send it before

after first tclap

smh

[daring heron]

i prefer sending after cds myself

[hazy flower]

^

u can get chronoweaved

during

Could technically save SR for just before lego

but idk I also prefere after cds

[covert jackal]

Same

[dapper juniper]

guys
im playing war after 1season
do we use still ig for single target like before? caus i saw ppl didnt take it

do you have some rotation note?

[hazy flower]

u mean Ignore pain

No we dont use it rotationally

[hazy flower]

We use it purely defensively now

People who are not taking it are either not doing high keys or are lazy in raid

[gaunt owl]

if you dont use it and complain about Arms lack of tankiness

you better not

[hazy flower]

wish I shadowplayed yazma recently

popped rally

def stance

dbts

and 3 stacks of IP

livegod

[boreal quartz]

game works well

[gaunt owl]

its coming

dude this event sux ass

[boreal quartz]

and nothing

pog

[hazy flower]

@gaunt owl

I know you want to do a 20 weekly

@boreal quartz

[boreal quartz]

maybe a bit later today?

[hazy flower]

[boreal quartz]

im testing features

[hazy flower]

what

is htat

[hazy flower]

?

[boreal quartz]

the event can force a mount skin on the fyrakk model

if you go close to circle and mount fyrakk mount itll brick

and if u then mount something else it does that

[hazy flower]

can it be aotc

or does it have to be the rare one

[boreal quartz]

also does this

nvm it also works with kazz ig

just trying shit out

[hazy flower]

dont have kazz anyway

[boreal quartz]

i got it from mythic

[hazy flower]

only 1 dropped

if I recall

so it never dropped for me

trying but doesnt work for me @boreal quartz

if I get too close it fucking dismounts me lmao

[boreal quartz]

u wanna be very close then mount

then journal goes red since u cant mount

then walk out and go on some mount

try sl ksm/corpsefly n shit

so you end up below mount or smth

[hazy flower]

dont have sl ksm

[boreal quartz]

just try any glowy mount

[hazy flower]

instructions unclear

im stuck

[boreal quartz]

now mount something else

try this one

[hazy flower]

dont have

I started in df

I dont have any sl stuff

[boreal quartz]

try something else then

surely you have timereaver

[hazy flower]

yo

yo

look at this

wait let me record it

https://streamable.com/pawbhs?src=player-page-share

xddd

[quasi torrent]

regular flying

💀

[hazy flower]

phil breaking the game

[boreal quartz]

ye but u gotta try another mount

so it also recolors

[hazy flower]

I'm in a key now

I'll do it after the key

experiment a bit

with secret tech

[boreal quartz]

charhound

[quasi torrent]

stop ruining the textureset

please

[gaunt owl]

this one is glorious

[hazy flower]

@boreal quartz

goat

my fav

[boreal quartz]

wait inv me i can show u the sl one

[hazy flower]

you're just a bug

on my screen

[boreal quartz]

[gaunt owl]

big

[frigid lava]

Other people's ui layout always look better

[shadow ibex]

the grass is always greener

embrace yourself

live in the funk

[gaunt owl]

they all get the Atrocity UI

[sacred zodiac]

false

[livid cloak]

when is a good time to hop out in rise to swap to single target?

before the double dragon boss?

or just for iridikron

sorry in fall

[quasi torrent]

you waste time by doing it at any other point than after 2nd boss

[hazy flower]

after first boss

oh

wait he corrected himself to fall

ye if you want to swap then only after 2nd boss, but idk it's kinda w.e imo till 29/30 tyra

if your group doesnt suck balls

[livid cloak]

i only pug so its roll of the dice

and ive missed iridikron final shield twice this week in keys so just looking at options for more ST

[hazy flower]

first thing I'd do

is log review yourself

so if you're not logging and you have no logged falls, start (if you want to improve that is)

[quasi torrent]

(equip brand)

very cool and good trinket for that boss

[gaunt owl]

(push button harder)

[livid cloak]

i have no brand 😦

[quasi torrent]

L

[gaunt owl]

its the biggest ST trinket we has

just need a good fight duration or keep the 15 stacks at all times

[quasi torrent]

on tyra in fall its really nice playing the trash between last 2

to keep stacks rolling

cause all melee and tank should be using brand.

[hazy flower]

kind of depends?

first pull is very easy %

you get 36% in 90 seconds

[quasi torrent]

so is the pull at the end

just play 4 rippers on boss on tyra

lusting boss is always better for time

(prio >>>)

[hazy flower]

(divine storm)

[gaunt owl]

(padding)

[hazy flower]

adds have to die dont they

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1036769769543704576.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[quasi torrent]

rippers have to kinda be dead before 2nd shear

cause tanks will run out of cds kinda deal

[hazy flower]

(be pwar)

pwar is super chill against those

[quasi torrent]

during chrono shear even pwarr gets bonked

[hazy flower]

nah

I remember tanking it on like 26 or 27 tyra

and surviving whole debuff

w/o healer

with 4 rippers alive whole time

not saying it was easy but if I can survive then any decent pwar can do so

and so far even on 28 tyra you pop 1 IV and you get rid of the heal absorb, idk if that scales with key level though

[ornate pike]

I'm confused as to how to use the axe in M+, the pin says

• The axe is on GCD, but with enough distance, abilities can be cast during the leap, and you can double channel, which means you can Bladestorm while slashing.
  With the Bladestorm build, you should absolutely do this.
• Drop Warbreaker and use axe + avatar in that order to overlap the channels. It can also be done with regular Bladestorm, but you'll need much more distance to account for the GCD.

I can't seem to use axe+BS even at max distance, all keys are just greyed out during the leap

[wicked aurora]

The second one is easy

[olive nest]

you are able to cast axe during bladestorm

[wicked aurora]

Using regular channeled bladestorm is a bit harder

[olive nest]

but it has to be the free bladestorm proc from the avatar talent in the class tree

[wicked aurora]

But avatar bs+axe is ez

[wicked aurora]

I thought you could do both

You just needed more distance for regular bs

[olive nest]

I've never tried to do it with regular bladestorm

so I cant confirm that

[wicked aurora]

I swear I’ve seen people talk about it

I think I’ve done it

I’ve definitely done the avatar one with axe

[ornate pike]

Hmm doesn't work for me even at max distance, can't press bs

[olive nest]

Macro avatar and axe together and put it on your axe keybind

that way it will woork for M+ and youll only have to worry about it when you are trying to use axe

[wicked aurora]

Exactly what I do

[ornate pike]

yeah I was trying it with the regular bs

tyty

[olive nest]

it shouldnt effect single target this way becuase you want to use axe after cooldowns anyway

[wicked aurora]

You’re hitting Lego first yeah?

[ornate pike]

yep

[wicked aurora]

Cuz iirc it’s because you can hit another gcd while in the air

[olive nest]

I think theirs techinal min maxes to use axe during cds if you have PI or Lust but I dont know enough about that to give a quality answer

[ornate pike]

makes sense thanks

[wicked aurora]

Idk haven’t tried the tech with regular BS in a hot minute, things could have changed or I could have been mistaken

[gaunt owl]

last time i tried i couldnt pull it off

[cinder remnant]

Isn't 1 dmg instance of bladestorm basically just whirlwind?

[proud plover]

bstorm has its own damage modifyers

and hopefully procs things like hurricane

[sage badge]

[proud plover]

wonder if it will proc unhinged and gain buff time from dance of death

[proud plover]

1 hit from bstorm be nice if it also cast 2 ms

[gaunt owl]

til alpha or beta drop

we have no idea

[proud plover]

yeah just dreaming

[gaunt owl]

because current unhinged the proc happen on 2nd and 4th hit

the wet dream is that Imminent Demise stack

will make Frenetic Flurry hit 4 times

so Unhinged would be broken as fuck

[naive breach]

i want to slay

[shadow ibex]

just make it every BS tick

adjust accordingly for pvp as ususal

[sharp wyvern]

i think it depends on id unhinged MS has an icd

[hushed pasture]

and ofc depends on MS dmg balance

for now it seems like slayer is working around execute overpower and bs

[tulip girder]

and an unbuffed MS currently doesnt hit very hard.

[valid walrus]

Been gone for a while , how is the sentiment about the slayer tree

Doesn't it feel a bit underwhelming?

[tulip girder]

cant say without seeing new talent tree

[forest sluice]

No way that bs tick will proc unhinged

[proud plover]

^ if it did tho..

[forest sluice]

Would be broken af

[bronze hound]

Maybe they will change the way the Bladestorm Talents work to work arround Each Tick of bs

Umhinged could be just every third Tick. That way it would also have synergy with Slayer Talents and Dance of Death.

[forest sluice]

Not a bad idea

I wish bs actually did damage by itself

[jade ember]

Gone are the days of charge > hamstring > bladestorm > dead squishie.

I still have fond dreams of BGs right after I got my Shadowmourne in WotLK

[proud plover]

yep replaced by shadowlands charge > bladestorm > release rotation

[gaunt owl]

we need the gif to come back

its gonna be so funny to see the clueless warrior rip aggro asap with a bladestorm that do dmg

[proud plover]

yeah ahaha

[jade ember]

twas a simpler time

[frigid lava]

Hnnng Yazma

[mortal crag]

are collateral damage or cleave EVER played?

in pve

[jade ember]

Collateral is great

[paper gulch]

If you play fervor yeah

[proud plover]

collat was part of the fob build, clavee was played in s1 due to buffs from tier and its rareely useed now only to apply deeep wounds

im about to rip this e key out

[jade ember]

Yeah collat fob is really good esp on lower target counts where you don't miss bladestorm as much

[mortal crag]

idk if ppl play fob is why im asking

[hazy flower]

lil bro

asked me

and asked in skyhold

1 min later

impatient mf

[mortal crag]

ye but u dont fuckin answer

[hazy flower]

IM IN A KEY

U CAN SEE

ON BNET

LOOK

"The Everbloom"

[frigid lava]

queue "I'm on a boat!"

[proper garden]

easy key so you should be able to respond

[umbral sluice]

Haha realest thing I’ve seen in a while

[untold trench]

This, this still makes my blood boil

[dusty dagger]

If the world is our enemy do we keep spinning until everything is hit once?

[gaunt owl]

yes

[dusty dagger]

[fresh tide]

Movespeed after charge going to be crisp

no more of that bullshit where the boss moves faster than you can keep up with and also charge is delayed and puts you 20 feet away from where they actually are

[timid mirage]

Do we think that unhinged will work with smaller duration bladestorm as caused by slayer?

[coral crescent]

guess we'll see! seems like warrior's tree going to get quite a few changes so 🔮

[dreamy egret]

so i feel that they should have done singular hero specs for the classes instead of all this hullaballu, and came out with tinkerer and bard as classes.

[smoky kayak]

I cannot begin to tell how long I’ve been complaining and asking for a movespeed effect just like this. I mean since like cata

Gonna be so nice

[dreamy egret]

all i know is im not playing a spec where i get rooted every 30 seconds

fuck colosus spec

[smoky kayak]

The point was to create variety though, so it makes sense to have multiple

[gaunt owl]

i'm gonna make Colossus dps 10% better

[coral crescent]

10% size increase instead?!

[smoky kayak]

They could have just had one big spec and not given you points for all the talents though - that’s basically be the same thing

[dreamy egret]

it doesnt create variety there will be something that is theory crafted bis for the content you're doing and you're going to play that.

[coral crescent]

So you mean like a competitive video game?

[smoky kayak]

You still get variety though - one build good one place, another good in another

Yes, if all you care about is absolute performance, you’ll never have true “choice” in the matter, but that is also in effect your choice to focus on the game that way

[nova marsh]

Literally NOTHING in a competitve mindset will ever, EVER create vartiety save pure RNG

If you are given a choice as a competitive-minded player, you will ALWAYS pick the best

[uncut stag]

the variey does work even now. the "you have to play best performing build so you dont have choice" is only for cutting edge players which are lke minority

even for those there is variety when they are doing a little easier content

[nova marsh]

Yes

But my question is why would you run something, espically in a spec like arms that dosen't have huge variety, that just preforms worse

Arms dosen't really have talents that aren't taken that change the rotation much

[smoky kayak]

Variety always exists, even in minority - the existence of multiple builds alone does that

Hypothetically sure, one hero tree might be best literally everywhere, but it’s unlikely

[gaunt owl]

pretty sure we never had this many build for m+ alone

[nova marsh]

Yeah, but I mean like

[gaunt owl]

hero tree just gonna force more into one build probably

[nova marsh]

The reality is most classes just....kinda don't

Most classes end up with "one and done" for strong and viable builds. GOtta admit, I really do appreicate arms having variety

[smoky kayak]

Tbf, lectes is right - there are a lot of arms builds right now, but they’re largely slight variations of one another without a lot of gameplay difference between them

But it’s still variety of a degree

Point was that multiple hero trees does create some amount of variety, even if it’s not a lot, it’s still more than not

[nova marsh]

The point here is not evrey class is like....shadow priest where playing a dark ascention build and void form feel decently different

And I think hero talents...the goal is to at least create less of that

[smoky kayak]

I’m not sure about that

I don’t see what hero talents have anything to do with that tbh

More potential permutations always results in more variety, literally always

They may not all necessarily be effective to the point of viability, but it’s still more potential combinations

[dreamy egret]

from what ive seen of the hero talents, its slayer for mythic plus and colossus for raid single target

[coral crescent]

[dreamy egret]

but fuck that I aint playing colossus no matter what

[smoky kayak]

Way too early to make that determination

[nova marsh]

I mean to be fair, I was extremely surprised when me and claymore cooked up excessively cursed builds and took them into M+ and still did okay. I think my main issue with the arms trees is how many reduant talents we have.

[coral crescent]

You literally don't know dude lmao

No one does

[dreamy egret]

a spec that augments bladestorm wont be good in mythic plus? X-D

[gaunt owl]

you probably will be able to play both in either content

[nova marsh]

Spiteful serenity comes to mind tbh lol

[nova marsh]

Noone's saying that

[gaunt owl]

Colossus do have that AOE pewpew too

[nova marsh]

But there's soooo many questions we don't have answers for

How does the BS proc actually work for example? Is it a passive thing or does it actually lock you into BS like torment

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, that’s why they’ve all been built with st and AoE combined

[dreamy egret]

I will not be rooted every 30 seconds

j/s

[proper garden]

no bs colossus m+ build is a fever dream

[smoky kayak]

Then don’t, nobody cares what you do except you

Ain’t gotta justify it to us

[nova marsh]

Also like....again these are concepts

[tulip girder]

the damage from BS itself is underwhelming

[nova marsh]

Demolish could be changed to movable and treated like Fists of fury for all we know by the time Alpha/beta are over

[smoky kayak]

It might be instant but it’s probably a 1s hasted channel, so it finishes before the GCD is up

One of the two, but we dunno yet for sure

I’ve a few posts explaining the mechanics in here, as well as a lengthy one in the pinned feedback thread - tldr is that it shouldn’t interrupt gameplay the way signet did

[nova marsh]

Archi casually reminding me why I depised signet during Slands

[smoky kayak]

Yeah they’re purposefully not repeating signet

[red nymph]

Why do we have a node with 10% cd for overpower? IMO useless node

[nova marsh]

Thank god, because random bladestorms were actual bullshit

[nova marsh]

Not useless, but seems a bit placeholdery to me

[gaunt owl]

This one is hard to judge without the new talent tree

[nova marsh]

Espically because it's called slayer's focus. Tf does focus have to do with CDs lol

[smoky kayak]

You focus on your cooldowns!

But yes, either it will change or something in the tree will change to make it work

[nova marsh]

They give us more CDR on evreything, expect now it's on ava

[smoky kayak]

Really no need to hyper focus on minor issues atm, just look at the big picture

[fresh tide]

There would have to be substantial overpower/bloodthirst changes for that choice to make a difference

[nova marsh]

AM 2, eletric boogalo.

[smoky kayak]

And their might be

Or 10% might be a placeholder

[fresh tide]

It looks like they want you to take the random reset one, but man that seems annoying

[smoky kayak]

Doesn’t really matter either way

[nova marsh]

Imagine having ava evrey pull

🤔

[smoky kayak]

Fury?! Lol

[red nymph]

also without proc rate for sudden death it's hard to tell, how good everything is

[smoky kayak]

Not just SD, there aren’t numbers on anything yet

[nova marsh]

I mean basically yeah LOL. But I meant FULL DURATION ava.

Granted then we just end up as AM fury more or less

[red nymph]

and they can change numbers one week after release 🙂

[smoky kayak]

Of course, though in this case I’d focus more on alpha than release

[fresh tide]

If it's anything like current SD proc rate increases it's going to be fine, I'm sure they have a target in mind

[smoky kayak]

Like I said, shouldn’t get bogged down in the specifics just yet - look at big picture

Once alpha rolls around, then we can crunch numbers and whine about balance 😛

[ionic reef]

Can i whine about ravager yet ?

[smoky kayak]

We dunno what’s really happening with it yet

[ionic reef]

I'll be there

[gaunt owl]

better start earlier

[smoky kayak]

Implication is that it’s removed for Fury, but it’s always possible they kept it in as a replacement and just didn’t bother to account for it in Slayer

Seems unlikely but 🤷‍♂️

[ionic reef]

Give it to both spec, make it work with unhinged/hurricane/talent tree buff

Why not

[red nymph]

there are mentions of Ravager in mountain thane hero talents

[tulip girder]

prot has ravager

[ionic reef]

Every spec should

[fresh tide]

The tree has a lot of execute references but most of the stuff looks like it doesn't matter what hp the enemy is at

I guess that makes it easier to balance but it just feels weird

[gaunt owl]

it was OURS first

Make Arms Great Again

[tulip girder]

overwhelming blades also dont say it only counts for you.

[ionic reef]

https://tenor.com/view/tobey-maguire-that-was-today-they-stole-it-from-me-pawn-sacrifice-they-took-it-gif-23155880

[smoky kayak]

It will

[ionic reef]

I still dream about ToS..

[smoky kayak]

Zero% chance it will affect others

[tulip girder]

yeah I know, but the wording is bad 🙂

[fresh tide]

it's almost certainly personal damage with a cap of bladestorm ticks + 3 stacks

[tulip girder]

they could make a talent that lets tactician proc SD instead of resetting MS, in that case the tree would look awesome.

[ionic reef]

But we dont want SD tbh, if ToM still a thing..

[red nymph]

if proc rate is good for BS it will be a good tool for applying Deep Wounds

[tulip girder]

tom and AM needs to work with SD or needs to go.

[ionic reef]

fuck yeah

give that man a cookie

SD cancel aura soon

You'll see...

[tulip girder]

tactician should work with SD also in that case and we get a skill that elt us dump all the rage in a massive hit

[red nymph]

also I hate how monks are getting 10% armor piercing

[tulip girder]

but that would completly break pvp I guess.

monk needs some love, they and warrior could need some range. A rouge outranges us with his two daggers ....

[red nymph]

and paladins

we have a perfect hero tree for it - Colossus

so instead of giving us 5% bigger size they should give us better melee range

[tulip girder]

I am wondering if demolish cancels, when the enemy leaves our range.

[red nymph]

don't worry. you'll die before that from a void zone

[gaunt owl]

thats a skill issue

[jade ember]

just channel after you're dead, 0% chance to die while channeling

[nova marsh]

I bet blizz realllyyy wants to repeat OG ignite in raid

[nova marsh]

Fuck long arms

I'm with archi on this one, this is just the cast well moving arms race from wod, but with meele.

Like ret really shows how this crap has gone too far. Remove all the range increases it's ridicious

[grand idol]

idk, a button to temp increase melee range would be nice. but the passive ones are a bit much being able to do 90% of their dps from a casters range.

[smoky kayak]

Too much of a good thing ruins it for everyone

[nova marsh]

Yeah like

[tulip girder]

there is a difference between "melee caster" and give them 2-4 yrads more range.

[nova marsh]

I think long arms were fine when it was just like a rogue niche

[nova marsh]

Yeah but like

Do we really need evrey meele to have it?

at that point just increase base meele range

[timber lynx]

you had to lose dps to take long arms on most rogue specs originally too, then pala just gets it for free and a better version?

[red nymph]

My only issue is that for some reason melee caster and a guy with two daggers has it and we don't

[grand idol]

Frankly, if 2h users would hold weapons correctly theyd gain like 20% more range anyways.

[nova marsh]

[grand idol]

Holding a giant axe 2/3 up its hilt

[nova marsh]

That guy with two daggers probally practiced acrobatics and jumps evreywhere thou, well the guy with a big fuck off sword and heavy armour can't LOL

[boreal quartz]

its a videogame idrc how realistic it is

just make melee less of a hellhole by default

[nova marsh]

I like how meele is, and I think long arms kinda undermine meele as more risky

[red nymph]

you still wont get the range of a proper 2h sword

[nova marsh]

And I don't think we need to start handing out more long arms

[grand idol]

that sounds like a great stance tbh. Change your hand hold lowering your attack speed by 10% but increasing your attack range slightly.

[nova marsh]

because again, eventually we just end up asking "why aren't we just changing base meele range?"

[tulip girder]

actually you hold it round about there for balance reason.

[red nymph]

just use a halberd 🙂

[grand idol]

yes, but we are abominations of power. probabaly close if not over a 20 str dnd character. it would be childs play to hold any weapon

[nova marsh]

If we take our characters at canonical face value and apply it to gameplay, we should probally be able to one a literal god

[jade ember]

give arms titan's grip and let us tape two 2hers together to make it twice as long

+10yrds ggez

[nova marsh]

No

[jade ember]

yes

[grand idol]

What if we can pick up the rogue and use his increased range as our own as we fling him around?

[untold trench]

The fact that some 1handers are just as long as twohanders, 1handers should have +399y range

[tulip girder]

yes pls

[nova marsh]

Titan's grip is cringe on fury and it'd be even more cringe on arms

[grand idol]

"allystorm"

[nova marsh]

Let arms have it's own thing

[jade ember]

blud im a little surprised i need to say this but it was a joke lol

[untold trench]

You going for:
Rally is now cast when you bladestorm.
?

[grand idol]

nono, ally like a friend combines with bladesotrm

[jade ember]

grab them by the ankles and sko sko

[grand idol]

^

[untold trench]

Then what if it is a gnome?

Do you lose range?!

[grand idol]

Also, rescue is a thing. I'd like to be able to pick someone up with heroic leap.

[red nymph]

it's for dual-wielding

[jade ember]

make them an arms warrior with my super-functional TG and you cover the entire screen

[smoky kayak]

Heroic throw your allies

[untold trench]

Man, that I would love

MY SPOT!

[jade ember]

imagine if they made intervene knock the player back by like 10 yrds based on the angle you came from lol

[minor gust]

I would finally be able to get revenge on the priests the grip me off the edge

[solar stone]

Dwarf Toss

[grand idol]

that doesent even sound troll. its a common saying "I cant move for you" but now you could.

[jade ember]

but also could be really troll

[grand idol]

To epically save someone from a ground effect would be nuts.

[jade ember]

when lifegrip first came out one of my friends gripped our guild leader to the edge of the ring in Blackwing Descent and he fell into the lava

and he got gkicked lmao

[red nymph]

You need to do it right now because they consistently forget to CC the M+ affix ghosts

[untold trench]

It would be a fun thing for the warrior - infuriating for the other. So yeah. Lifegrip is already hated

[nova marsh]

Life grip is so hated t hey made an item to ignore it

[jade ember]

should be able to spell reflect life grip and pull the priest into the fire to die with you

[fresh tide]

I can handle a grip, rescue is awful

[nova marsh]

Rescue is even more funny

because the voker dies with you!

[boreal quartz]

both are cringe if unwanted

[fringe canopy]

do we ever use slam?

[nova marsh]

Yes

When you have literally nothing else to press

OP is out, MS on CD, rend is up already, you have no CDs to send? Press slam

[fringe canopy]

Usually have enough rage to whirlwind instead.

[boreal quartz]

in st you will need to slam eventually

[nova marsh]

You're going to have to slam eventually

and depending on the CD of CS, it's probally better to slam instead of WW

Cuz eventually you just waste AM by using WW

[fringe canopy]

slam should be off gcd

[gaunt owl]

thats illegal what you are suggesting

i'm calling the popo

🚨 🚔 🚨

[minor gust]

but is it even more illegal than giving slam a cast time again

[jade ember]

only if you also make it reset the swing timer as well

[fringe canopy]

sweeping strikes too. off gcd.

[minor gust]

you mean give legion sweeping strikes

[jade ember]

could also just do a little damage itself like blade flurry to make it feel a little better

blizz probably wants them to feel diff tho

[gaunt owl]

just make the cast same duration as a GCD to piss people off

they not gonna understand its not impacting their rotation

[minor gust]

now what if Ppaww they make demolish an evoker style cast time instead of a channel

[gaunt owl]

i would

🤮

it wouldnt change anything if the duration is the same

[jade ember]

ya it would have to interact with something somehow like longer casts eating more stacks or sumn

[minor gust]

would feel more interactable because you could cancel anytime by just letting go of the button instead of having to make a cancel aura

either way im trolling I rather demolish just be deleted

Lego is fine because its a long cd we gonna be pressing demolish every 30 sec

[untold trench]

So, it is like Demonic Eyebeam

[gaunt owl]

Lego is shit to push

[minor gust]

if I wanted consistent channel in my rotation I would play dh or ww

[untold trench]

If you don't want it, dont play demolish

[minor gust]

true

[gaunt owl]

watch me make it sim better

by 10%

[untold trench]

huehuehue

[minor gust]

but im a slave to the number I play what the sim tells me

[gaunt owl]

the way it is

[jade ember]

if its a really small difference and you just hate the playstyle you should probably play what makes you less miserable, but i get it

[gaunt owl]

if you have a big dmg amp phase like Smoldy

Demolish would probably be ahead

[minor gust]

yep

[gaunt owl]

if they tune it right too

thats the problem

[minor gust]

I assume its also gonna be like rampage and each hit can crit

[untold trench]

Smolderon with demolish: BLAAAAADE BLADE HURRICANE, DEMOOOOOOOOLISH, TRRRRIIINNNNNNNKY!

3 buttons, all you need for 10sec

[fresh tide]

Slayer will be bis, trust

randomly proc 1 tick of bladestorm to extend your 6 stack hurricane indefinitely

[minor gust]

dont forget your new overwhelm buff

if you get good rng you can keep it on forever

infinite stacks

[gaunt owl]

probably fixed duration debuff

[minor gust]

probably

[fresh tide]

My guess would have been stacks capped, I guess it could be one of those does not refresh duration things too

[minor gust]

I can just imagine they havent thought about it at all and the first iteration is like what I said

[untold trench]

I just hope they remove hurricane Jr.

Just move the damage potential lost, into bladestorm or execute instead

[fresh tide]

like I can't imagine they're going to let it stack higher than the number of ticks in a bladestorm

[minor gust]

your marks give you stacks when you pop them

I would assume it goes higher

[reef mauve]

What are them slayer takes?

[rare kite]

looks good, the overpower cdr/reset talents hints at a number rework to tactician or a rework to tactician in general. they are beyond pointless in current tree

[obtuse copper]

Still convinced they're just shitty placeholders

They'd have to make so many weird changes to BT and OP for 10% CDR to even make sense

[sharp wyvern]

have you realised we get faster auto attacks as arms meaning more rage

[rare kite]

as if we need more rage

[obtuse copper]

We sure need more rage

[sharp wyvern]

i dont mind having more rage

[gaunt owl]

new capstone talent Overwhelmed by Rage

when you overcap you die

[rare kite]

??? we have infinite rage outside of execute rn

[obtuse copper]

Yooo

Like Ra-Den

But

For resources

[sharp wyvern]

and thats great

[obtuse copper]

Ye so why do you need more

[sharp wyvern]

cause why not

[obtuse copper]

💀

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsey-angry-idiot-sandwich-stupid-you-are-so-why-gif-14053658

[sharp wyvern]

we wont get rage while channeling so we need to save some

[gaunt owl]

not sure about that one

[rare kite]

i mean overpower changing to just an ability that doesn't have any reset potential outside of the slayer tree doesn't sound that bad to me

[sharp wyvern]

i guess BS generates rage ?

i dont remember

[gaunt owl]

you still AA during BS

[rare kite]

bs does generate rage

[obtuse copper]

You can AA during BS so technically

Only directly generates rage for Fury tho

[obtuse copper]

Yes but my point is that even then, 10% CDR is really anemic

[rare kite]

true, 10% is still low

[obtuse copper]

Would be a strange decision to make that as a leak

[sharp wyvern]

isnt that the choice note

[obtuse copper]

Also would be odd in a hero talent tree if something like CDR smooths out the rotation but just for one of the hero specs and not the other

[sharp wyvern]

you eihter get OP resets or a 10% CDR

so basically a dead choice node

[rare kite]

yes, but we don't know the reset chance

[sharp wyvern]

like cdr on OP is ever usefull

[rare kite]

in current state it's never usefull

[obtuse copper]

Based on what we've seen so far a lot of talents are nonsensical/PH

[rare kite]

in current state none of the op cdr/reset talents are useful, but we're not talkign about current arms

[sharp wyvern]

i mean if slayer means we never have to press slam again im all for it

only OP and MS

[gaunt owl]

ok just found out something funny with lego

if you charge with it

[obtuse copper]

Surely Slam will finally be put in the dirt where it belongs in next xpac

[gaunt owl]

and get CC'ed during the charge it cancel you

[nova marsh]

Give slam it's Cast back

LOL

[sharp wyvern]

if your target dies it also cancels even if there are other mobs around

[obtuse copper]

Yes and then delete slam and replace it with a filler that isn't dogshit

[sharp wyvern]

we already have OP

[prisma heart]

Only 12 kills into blp who else /axeless/ still

[nova marsh]

me

I bitch about it here weekly

[wicked aurora]

Slam is fine

[inner wasp]

is having infinite rage a good thing tho

when its kinda the point of the class

[wicked aurora]

No

[inner wasp]

exactly

[wicked aurora]

But that’s not a slam problem

[inner wasp]

slam has a sound effects issue

make it sound meatier and its suddenly a good button

[wicked aurora]

Just like the lego

No sound havin ass

[inner wasp]

so real

why does the lego make literally no sound

[wicked aurora]

Because blizz dumb

[nova marsh]

wait legit?

It dosen't make any sounds? Not even for the slashes?

[inner wasp]

im hoping the colossus channel has meaty sounds and good animation instead of just looking like 3 fast auto attacks and an execute

[inner wasp]

not that i can hear xd

[wicked aurora]

Nope

[nova marsh]

what the fuck

That's lame af

[inner wasp]

everything about the lego is cool except the fact that it literally makes no sounds

feels like a bug

[sharp wyvern]

also the appearence

[inner wasp]

i like the appearance

[nova marsh]

I like how fyr'anoth looks

But....I kinda wish it was a sword still

We haven't had a 2h lego sword in....like....20 years of wow

[sharp wyvern]

it should be bigger

like the blackrock foundry axe

[jade ember]

they couldnt resist enabling the firemourne jokes

[nova marsh]

Yeah giving us 2 lego axes and one mace

NO SWORD

Gfdi blizz where's my shalamane

[inner wasp]

fyr'alath

[sharp wyvern]

we did have leggo swords in legion wdym

[inner wasp]

blackrock foundry has an axe?

[jade ember]

Did someone say...

[nova marsh]

Artfiacts are not legendaries

[sharp wyvern]

yes

[nova marsh]

This isn't trade chat

[jade ember]

Warglaives were originally swords too

Actually still are

All 1H tho

[nova marsh]

Warglaives are not 2h

Which is what I was trying to say LOL

[sharp wyvern]

its the wod raid in case you are mistaking it

[inner wasp]

yes

which axe

[nova marsh]

the magma axe

[jade ember]

Ya off of Furnace

[inner wasp]

oh thats from blackrock foundry? i forgor

[inner wasp]

why would u use that instead of the black hand zzzzzz

black hand is goated 2h

[nova marsh]

I like the black hand

[jade ember]

Depends on what you're trying to match it to

[sharp wyvern]

i just said thats the size of an axtual axe

[nova marsh]

But it's too oversataured

[jade ember]

Ashbringer was a 2H sword which technically existed in the game files as a leggo at one point rite

[sharp wyvern]

i wish the black hand had color variations

[inner wasp]

i just want gorehowl

but luck has not given me gorehowl

idk how to best farm for it

[jade ember]

I mean technically just do low Rises over and over but you know

that sucks

[inner wasp]

is it any likelier to get it off heroic than mythic

[jade ember]

Actually ya not sure

[sharp wyvern]

just make alts and do heroic each week

[inner wasp]

oh i forgot heroic is weekly lockout

[jade ember]

Still want the healing mace off of Tyr

[inner wasp]

zzzzzz im not leveling my garrosh warriors up to df level

[sharp wyvern]

its technically not if you get into the dungeon through the random dungeons

[jade ember]

ugh

ya at that point just blast low M+s

make some ungeared group's day

[inner wasp]

may as well do the weekly tho

[jade ember]

Really wish they'd hurry up and let you learn all mogs on any toon. Man I've farmed so many raids so much it makes me sad to think of the appearances I'm missing.

[inner wasp]

what times does the hearthstone event spawn

oh its on the hour

[nova marsh]

they changed it to evrey half irrc

[inner wasp]

neat

[jade ember]

yeah every 30min in all 3 spots now

[inner wasp]

is there any item other than corgi goggles/love goggles that hides people

cuz both are unobtainable rn arent they

[dire hinge]

I'd bet you can farm them now and just keep items you want to learn in your bank

[inner wasp]

yea u can

[jade ember]

ya i was mostly complaining about all of the farming I've done in the past for mounts and my warriors mog etc

[inner wasp]

the real answer is im a warrior onetrick

i dont need other mogs

[dire hinge]

just make a second warrior, farm them twice as fast

[jade ember]

ya I really like alts

[inner wasp]

i have 3 warriors

[jade ember]

I've got like 5 toons wyrmn capped rn other than my warrior

[inner wasp]

2 are permanantly stationed at siege of orgrimmar tho

[jade ember]

Which is a lot for the amount of spare time I have

[dire hinge]

i was stupid proud of this joke (Mario vs Wario)

but also war-ior

[weak wave]

Got the axe this week but don't quite understand the use-effect. Is this also an aoe dmg for 559k dmg to everything I hit?

[jade ember]

Every hit AoEs and the more DoTs you suck off of things around you the harder it hits.

[vestal smelt]

Essentially applying dots to multiple enemies and the using the effect on a singe target would net you the most gains

[jade ember]

Just charge clap axe most of the time

[obtuse copper]

Dad warning 🚨

[dire hinge]

tee hee

[obtuse copper]

What race did you go on 2nd one?

[weak wave]

Alright thanks!

[dire hinge]

Maghar Orc 🎉

the look so good

[obtuse copper]

[weak wave]

And ST? Just use axe on CD?

[dire hinge]

use it on pull after charge (before your CDs)

and then mid-fight, try and use it before CS (the channel eats into your cds a bit)

it's okay to let it sit on CD for a bit

[weak wave]

Like the BfA Kingkong trinket.. okay.

[jade ember]

Also doesn't benefit from any damage bonuses so don't use it during Ava or CS or anything generally

[weak wave]

Okay got it 🙂

[inner wasp]

bis race

[inner wasp]

the channel is so short that it's worse to let it sit on cd than to not use it during avatar

(i made this up and don't know if it's true)

[dire hinge]

from the pins:

Try not to use it during Colossus Smash, and don't be afraid to delay for encounter timing, e.g. use it when it won't get you killed.

for raid bosses, you can also look at things like Lorrgs to see if there' common times folks use it (ie: benefitial to hold it or not)

[outer holly]

I think it's pretty telling that often in lorggs you can see the top 50 having a vastly different timing on the leggo and still parse similarly to one another

[dire hinge]

absolutely

folks just like 'direct' answers sometimes (dont want to make choices themsevles). It's a good option if you just want to mirror someone else

[inner wasp]

oh this is arms channel LMAO

how'd i end up here

my advice was for fury

[jade ember]

idk maybe you wanted to do more damage in M+? huehue

[inner wasp]

:(

[fresh spire]

[sage badge]

[hazy flower]

@quasi torrent

tank decided to pull late packs

so I respecced to brand post 2nd boss

[quasi torrent]

yes it is

fair and balanced on that boss

esp during the burn it mega pops off

cause u get inf haste

:3

[hazy flower]

didnt do that much during burn

only 7%

7,2

[quasi torrent]

unlagi procs

[hazy flower]

yas

still did like 240k before burn phase

with regular m+ talents and pi

pretty dope trink

now give me 489

[quasi torrent]

u dont have it?

noobr

[hazy flower]

I only have 1 kill on mythic...

[latent moss]

did u respec into wrecking throw

[hazy flower]

ofc

not

there is cost for everything

it did 8% on iridik

and 6% on blight

but fucking 0,2% during drake trash

and 0,8% during iridik trash

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1171395617839382559.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[latent moss]

still more than rezans

[hazy flower]

is it that shit tho

I remember it doing 3-4% in keys

[latent moss]

i dont

my 483 was doing like

1.5-2

and 2-4% on bosses

[hazy flower]

I'd have to equip it for a 25 for scientific purposes

and pair it with fob for ultimate testing

[latent moss]

https://tenor.com/view/homm3-heroes3-basketbear-bear-behemoth-gif-27588555

bro is balling so hard

how will this affect lebrons legacy

[hazy flower]

🤨

giga behemoth

week 2

[latent moss]

week 1

[hazy flower]

not on 200%

[latent moss]

regular behes

u can

ancient behes

nah

[hazy flower]

ancient not till week 3/4 💀

thats for sure

[iron blaze]

hello guys! how much dps need for starting heroic amrdrassil?

im making 120k dps on 445 ilvl, its oky?

in st

[hexed saddle]

i would recommend getting a lot more ilvl before attempting h amir

[iron blaze]

oky

[latent moss]

depends on biome

on random maps u can roll

an insane biome

and get ancients late week 2

need to chain properly and shit for that

need some luck while scouting out as well

[hazy flower]

made me wanna play it

but then

it's either pvp

which I stand no chance in

or pve in which I stand all the chances

need to find a middle ground

some bozo as shit as me

[latent moss]

play hard pve maps

like sun king

metataxers revenge

tbf metataxers

is more annoying than hard

a lot of abusing

[minor wraith]

Can you play spear in m+?

None of the m+ builds use it

on wowhead

But I love its effect

[minor gust]

if you really wanna use it go head but its just not really good at all in M+ and arms especially doesnt really like spear

[rare kite]

you can, if you want to handicap yourself

can run pretty much any build and do 20s tbf

[nova marsh]

Spear on arms is very mid

It's mostly used for pure ST fury to my knowledge.

[lavish prawn]

hey, is fyralath only fyrakk kills or is there a chance to get it in the weekly vault?

[latent moss]

fyrakk kills

[slow saddle]

Luckily if i had to spear dno

[hardy olive]

What if blizzard change mythic raiding to 10 man

[naive sage]

Spear by itself is not bad at all but the 15% on bleeds is too valuable

So, no

[gaunt owl]

its just that Troar is uncapped target

thats the big thing for M+

[naive sage]

Ye too

But considering our dots uptime

It's very important too

[lavish prawn]

how do u guys sim for your m+? 5 targets shorter fight duration?

[quasi torrent]

sim ST

equip might

[real birch]

Are you guys plaing BS build for m+? Or are you using the WW build I found somewhere on YT.

[clever crag]

You can do any of those

But I think most ppl run single BS build

With warlords

[real birch]

Because I still hate Bladestorm and switched from arms to fury/prot everytime BS build is the way to go x:
I hope it wont be in s4 or War Within ^^

[jade ember]

The Fervor WW build is still really good, you're only missing out on really huge pulls prolly not having Bladestorm.

Just give it a go and see if you like it.

[real birch]

As "new" arms player I try to keep BS out of my avatar window or just charge. Clap avatar, roar* and spin?

[boreal quartz]

bs generally in cds in aoe

in st youd pre-bs for hurricane

[real birch]

ok ty 🙂
WW feels a bit weird 😄 when to spam WW and when to use normal rotation but it also feels like having more AOE for every pack instead of just Bladestorm and then wait But maybe im just too bad with bladestorm timing

[boreal quartz]

cds on cd

[frigid lava]

Do you only get loots from something you've already cleared (vault wise)

I don't have aotc.. so no augury for me?

[gaunt owl]

you need to have killed the boss once in the char lifetime to get his loottable in the vault yes

[frigid lava]

icic ty

[frigid lava]

damn man finally got aotc

[warped spade]

Grats!!

[frigid lava]

sub expries within a day!

[pine wind]

I run the arms raid ST talents but swap for in for the kill and warbreaker, and the M+/ww warrior talents for the troar and ww buffs

[proud plover]

you should try this one for m+, lots of ST and no ww at all, all your cleave comes from imp ss+op/dn and 1m roar

[dry frost]

Wafting > Sophic

[proud plover]

sims love haste due to fixed fight length

[sage badge]

[dry frost]

I also have pretty dogshit stats cause I am swaping off fury cause I am sick of this build

Lots of recrafts are in order

[rare kite]

wafting been the play for arms entire expansion

[astral yarrow]

sims are not fixed unless you would call a 20% variance fixed

which can be turned off i guess, but your laymen arent going to do that

well, dungeon slice is fixed at 6mins im pretty sure

[proud plover]

i simply mean fixed to 5 mins where many many fights are 2-3 mins and others are 7-8 mins, sims love haste based on the law of averages

because it reduces the gcd and allows more attacks within that time

[astral yarrow]

standard 5 min sims are in reality 4-6 minutes

[fresh spire]

[fringe canopy]

yo any viable cleave builds for m+?

[proud plover]

cleave talent? not really unless your running bstorm/hurricane AND mbg, it lacks the power it gained from s1 tierset and is really only useful atm to apply dw in aoe

[outer holly]

I still don't get why it was talented in S2, could never figure out how to use it

[proud plover]

good old season 2, i swapped to fury then played aug only returning to arms in the last few weeks of the season

[smoky kayak]

sims don't have completely fixed fight length

there's a default +/- 20%, so a 5m sim is actually 4-6m

[proud plover]

i know, what i was trying to say was fights vary more than sims do

[smoky kayak]

that is true, though wafting is still generally a strong enchant

[ornate eagle]

sure but in every sim you'll do wafting will come out ahead

almost certainly

also static str buffs lose value throughout an expansion as they make up a smaller % of total str

compared to secondary stats which are essentially % multipliers (in a way) of str

so for example the 900 str from sophic in 10.0 were ALOT more % dmg gain in 10.0 than it is right now, but the 1200 haste from wafting are still 7% haste

[trim arrow]

i do wonder which intern forgot to make the other devotions stat procs

like why is burning and earthen defensive

[ornate eagle]

they didnt forget, its intentional

earthen writ is vers proc

[trim arrow]

earthen devotion is armor

[proud plover]

is it still 7% haste sitting at 39% base + rune + iftk + pi + lust?

[trim arrow]

since when has an armor proc been relevant in modern wow

[ornate eagle]

at that point its more dan

cuz ITFK + PI + Lust are multipliers

🙂

[proud plover]

mebbe i run a key with wafting before patch

[trim arrow]

burning devotion is a heal isnt it

dont recall what dreaming is

[ornate eagle]

with all those buffs

the 1200 haste from wafting is more like 12% haste

effectively

cuz %haste buffs are multipliers

and % buffs arent affecting the stat DR

meaning the idk 70% extra haste you get from those buffs

turns (for the sake of argument) your 10k haste

into 17k haste

[proud plover]

yep im sold

[ornate eagle]

which is why its actually possible to hit 150% haste as fury warrior

enrage alone puts you to like 60% haste

then double wafting proc brings you to 80-90% haste

slam lust ontop of that

and youre at like 130% haste

[proud plover]

what haste is .75 gcd as fury? couldnt keep up in s2 had to come back to arms

[ornate eagle]

100% haste is gcd cap

aka 0.75s

[proud plover]

im old and my fingers hurt

[ornate eagle]

the game plays best at 150% haste

cant change my mind

[proud plover]

as prot im 50% haste its insane

[ornate eagle]

not fast enough

[proud plover]

before buffs..

and im running sophic on that also going to swap it and my lariet back to haste for shits and giggles

[ornate eagle]

nah wafting has been better for pwar since 10.1

[proud plover]

i dont sim pwar at all its all feely craft

trying to tank in s2 with fury mastery stacked gear was fun tho

at least arms crit.hast feels better on prot atm

[gaunt ginkgo]

In m+, without ashen, should I prioritize MS or exe after getting 2 stacks of EP?

[pine wind]

That... that is my build. only i still take seismic reverb and storm of swords for rage burn Strength of arms also buffs Dreadnaught so i take that over imp ss, The 1% versatility for Valor in victory isn't worth losing a Strong Whirlwind imo

[past zephyr]

is the whirlwind build still one of the top builds atm?

[pine wind]

The fervor of battle one? its top for consistant 5+ pulls and when mobs live a long time to stack the Collateral damage buff, its not really worth it in keys under 20 imo. things die to quick

and then you lose a lot of ST especially on a Tyrannical week. as far as i know most people run a Solid ST build and aoe through Dreadnaught and bleeds

[past zephyr]

thank you!

[paper gulch]

Fervor would be better if fervor made whirlwind always cast slam and give rage credit for both with test of might.

But we cant have fun so 🤷‍♂️

[pine wind]

They just need to bring back the auto attack standard and then whirlwind would return to its former glory

[proud plover]

no real need to burn rage in m+ and when i do its on slam for prio damage, imp ss allows longer time to cleave op/dn but if things are dying i agree soa is amazing - the only time i send ww is due to range reasons - the reduction in dbts is amazing for m+ and the reason i run it

[pine wind]

Does Dreadnaught proc twice when using SS to hit with overpower twice?

[proud plover]

yes

[pine wind]

good to know, Strength of arms also increases dreadnaughts damage, i might go as far as swapping for imp ss on fortified weeks, lol

[teal fossil]

na sweeping better for fort

SOA is still good in AOE but not as good as sweeping

because more DN>bigger DN

[pine wind]

Thats what i said, on Fort i'd take imp ss, on tyran ima keep soa

"swapping for imp ss on fortified weeks, lol" Exact quote 😛

[jolly slate]

do we bladestorm in st in m+ talents w/ no test of might?

[boreal quartz]

Yes

Hurricane is about as big as an Avatar

[exotic kestrel]

bladestorm before WB tho

in ST

Anyone got some tips for good uptime on fyrakk? i guess its just practice and get positioning down but maybe im missing something

my cpm is kinda shit, especially if i get first fire storm

[boreal quartz]

You only have to leave melee for cringe swirlies rest u can just dodge out of

So be aware of that

But arms is generally gonna be low in p1 especially non pushed

[dawn yarrow]

Hi all, im trying to understand why it sometimes is better to spam executes instead of weaving in buffed MS's. Could anybody explain me?

im not seeing it..

[hazy flower]

^ its still a bit rng but I usually end p1 on 180-200k

So not that high

[exotic kestrel]

i usally end around 160k end of p1

but like i said i did some log comparing and its just straight up low cpm

[boreal quartz]

AM/TOM/tierset maintaining rend

[boreal quartz]

You can pad cpm with aug rune/bshout n shit

[exotic kestrel]

kek

[gaunt owl]

Push buttons faster

[exotic kestrel]

im on left, (i did get first firestorm where as the right one didnt)

im clearly just not pushing enough buttons

[dawn yarrow]

❤️

[gaunt owl]

Got hit that dummy

[hazy flower]

I mean if its start of the prog just worry about surviving

Until you can get clean p1

I wouldnt think about dps much

[exotic kestrel]

i am prioing surviving big time over dps, but were starting to get into intermission quite reliably now (second night on him) so i wanna start optimizing a bit.

[boreal quartz]

I mean ur a ton of op casts down proc rng aside

You are doing the rotation right?

[hazy flower]

Wqs gonna say that

The op ratio

To ms

Seems weirdly high

Probably missing uptime with melees and rage starving?

Something like that?

Idk just trying to think of a reason

[boreal quartz]

Just not pressing buttons while moving

Ur also 23k dps behind from trinkets OMEGALUL

[exotic kestrel]

i got hard trinket diffed

[exotic kestrel]

and this is the main thing i think