arms

[boreal quartz]

!!!!

[obtuse copper]

@halcyon breach

[boreal quartz]

yesa

[astral yarrow]

1

[wind quiver]

nah I meant would you be in WF group

[obtuse copper]

Who up pilin' their on rn?

[wind quiver]

arms is pretty far down there in terms of gains

[wicked aurora]

bring back ancient aftershock

[minor gust]

oh yeah I wouldve

[dusty dagger]

im always pilin' my on brotha

[wind quiver]

unlucky

[sharp wyvern]

man we have to many rogues and DHs for me to be in WF group

[boreal quartz]

im on till i pile my up

[gaunt owl]

we number 1 for Execute

[obtuse copper]

😳

[gaunt owl]

and since its the only phase we do dmg

[minor gust]

Smoldy and Fyrakk when u lust in execute

[wind quiver]

yeah but execute is pretty short outside of prog

[boreal quartz]

i think itll have to be a magus unfortunately

😔

[dusty dagger]

our wrecking throw hits half a mill on shields though

[gaunt owl]

wrecking throw whats that ?

[sharp wyvern]

if it crits yes

[gaunt owl]

sorry cant hear you with all those CF points

[dusty dagger]

[astral yarrow]

wtf

[gaunt owl]

Wrecking Throw is so bad to take as Arms

[wind quiver]

on the other hand, when you kill smoldy before the 4th amp

[gaunt owl]

we cant make it crit so it feels like ass

[sharp wyvern]

but it does the same dmg as a MS crit on tindrell

[gaunt owl]

speedrunner problem

[slow saddle]

Did they fix frenzy ?

[boreal quartz]

fated frogging i

i cba play my other 2 ones

[minor gust]

ppl in my guild always find a way to die so we always get a juicy 4th amp

[wind quiver]

yup, some of the bosses are just impossible with our kill times

[bronze hound]

Now that we have Both trees what do you guys think about Colossus? I cant Shake the feeling that Both Hero Talent trees have Major aspects that should already be on the Arms Tree. Overall im Fine with Slayer but Slayers dominance should already be a Part of Fatality so its functional in aoe and Demolish is really just Bladestorm-Unhinged and Overall boring. I would be Fine with Both if all the Arms capstones get some work on them.

[sharp wyvern]

i like both

demolish seems weirdly fun

[wind quiver]

Slayer seems both more fun and better

[bronze hound]

The Animation will be cool for sure.

[sharp wyvern]

i mean its not gonna be my choice what i will play its gonna be the tuning

but im fine with both playstyles

[minor gust]

at this point there has been a lot of teasing of Arms/Fury changes are coming so really cant for sure say until we see those

[halcyon breach]

pile on

[bronze hound]

I get that. Im more focused on the Fantasy atm. Maybe thats my issue.

[sharp wyvern]

the only time im gonna be mad is if i have to play mountain thane

that shit looks atrocious

[wind quiver]

in terms of fantasy mountain thane seems coolest imo

not arms tho ofc

[minor gust]

yeah Fantasy wise Mountain Thane looks great become Thor

[dusty dagger]

as an arena guy i like both Slayer and Colosus but will probably have to go Slayer cause you cant just sit and channel Demolish on a player lmao

[sharp wyvern]

fantasy wont let me get over bad gameplay

[obtuse copper]

I like how Colossus only has 1 talent that relates to the fantasy of being a Colossus and it's a 5% dmg increase

[sharp wyvern]

no 5 % size

[obtuse copper]

Oops

[dusty dagger]

enbiggen

[minor gust]

its vers but not verse

[boreal quartz]

cocka size

[minor gust]

[obtuse copper]

Meant to type size

Was too busy looking for this

If only Warrior had a spell that literally said it turned us into a colossus

That the colossus tree could be based off of

[sharp wyvern]

collosus should just make us grey all the time

peak fantasy

[bronze hound]

I cant Imagine playing colossus with bladestorm without someone forcing me. And what choices Are Left in the Arms Tree without it? 3 of our capstones Are for bs.

[dusty dagger]

go attack on titant rules, everytime you go colossol a whole nuke explodes

[sharp wyvern]

same as we have now

[bronze hound]

Thats the thing i guess.

[sharp wyvern]

wait why would youn play collosus with BS ?

[bronze hound]

Cs into channel into Channel?

[sharp wyvern]

thas clearly not the intention

i think only slayer is gonna use BS

imagine making an entire hero talent tree based on BS and then the others use it too

[wind quiver]

surely

they're meant to be distinct

[bronze hound]

I agree i dont think Colossus will Play Bs.

But then Colossus actually doesnt have a Talent Tree.

[shadow ibex]

best i can do is give you a weird shockwave focus

[wind quiver]

well nothing's final

[bronze hound]

The 2 choices Left Are Cleave and Skullsplitter

[shadow ibex]

[zealous basin]

Holy shit guys

The slayer talent tree

[sharp wyvern]

collosus has 7 nodes that can potentially change

[dusty dagger]

Skullsplitter

[sharp wyvern]

[zealous basin]

Im gonna bust

[bronze hound]

I mean in a spec tree

[sharp wyvern]

you dont think colossus is gonna play fatality ?

[bronze hound]

In Single Target probally

[sharp wyvern]

oh

i can see how it will use BS and demolish in aoe

thats sounds kinda sick

[bronze hound]

Slayer does have some cool interactions with the bs capstones but none of that for Colossus.

[sharp wyvern]

is demolish capped aoe ?

[autumn gulch]

Anyone else feel like we really need to see the war talent changes for war within to accurately assess these hero talents? I just dont know what to think about it

[minor gust]

pretty much

[sharp wyvern]

i dont think they gonna rework the entire tree like other classes

only small changes

[minor gust]

Just sayin OP nodes in the Slayer tree don't make sense unless we are getting Legion Tactician back

[dusty dagger]

soft capped above 5targets i think

[bronze hound]

I Hope They dont stop at the class Tree otherwise i am going to be a Rider of the Apocalypse. At least ill have Friends then.

[gaunt owl]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-happy-gorilla-enjoying-dancing-gif-17773698

[autumn gulch]

I mean, Fury getting bladestorm again is a pretty big change from what it is now

[dusty dagger]

fury still gonna have the Enrage + Bladestorm issue

[sharp wyvern]

changing the icon from ravager to BS is huge ?

[zealous basin]

Fury can cope

Arms>>>

[verbal marten]

if u actually read

iot says op or bt

[dusty dagger]

[autumn gulch]

I mean, a spell that lets you fire and forget vs being stuck in a channel is a pretty big deal, yea

[sharp wyvern]

but it doenst change anything tree wise

the only 2 changes that are kinda confirmed is that shockwave will be easier to get and ravanger will be BS again

[autumn gulch]

I mean, aside from the rest of the hero stuff being tied to BT (left side of the tree) and ravager being on the right side... I get what you mean, but i feel like it raises a lot of questions that they keep alluding to but not saying and that makes it hard to decide whether Im excited or not about the stuff they previewed

[sharp wyvern]

i wouldnt get my hopes up for massive talent tree changes since they worked the enirety of DF to figure those out and they made a new talent tree in the middle to not have to balance those again

[autumn gulch]

and yet they did it for like 6 classes already in the same expansion

[gaunt owl]

they have to rework the tree properly

both hero tree dont mesh well with what we have

[sharp wyvern]

i think slayer and collosus are gameplay altering enough for it to matter

unless you play mountain thane then your fucked

[gaunt owl]

do you want more OP proc when we already proc them all the time ?

[minor gust]

Tactician change

[sharp wyvern]

those CDR talents are not gonna do jack shit

idk why you think they are a big deal for OP

[gaunt owl]

you want to reset more OP ?

[sharp wyvern]

we do

[dreamy egret]

so like we get all of these talents ? or is one per row

[autumn gulch]

... the point is that why have them if they are awful as it stands? it implies some sort of change at a base level

[dreamy egret]

you can pummel while bladestorming now

POG

[sharp wyvern]

we WANT to be gcd capped as slayer cause the first node

[minor gust]

Tactician resetting CS would make the OP talents make sense

[sharp wyvern]

we want to attac as much as possible

[wicked aurora]

very different skills lol

[dreamy egret]

no more sorry i was bladestorming I couldnt pummel

[sharp wyvern]

i was talking about the tree not gameplay

[wicked aurora]

I mean you're assuming that ravager is just completely gone and that it won't be BS or Rav

[dusty dagger]

[sharp wyvern]

like you could just switch out ravager with BS and the tree doesnt change at all

[sharp wyvern]

it might be a choice node your right

but i wouldnt call it a huge change in the talent tree

[rare helm]

out of everything on that tree being able to kick and stun during BS is by far the most exciting for me

[wicked aurora]

Sure

I'm of the opinion that it won't just be that though

There are still some classes that need work done to the talent tree, 11.0 would be a great time for them

[sharp wyvern]

i think they will do something with cap nodes in the basic warr tree cause they said shockwave will move but i realy dont belive they do anything with the class trees

[wicked aurora]

the spec trees have had some pretty vocal issues brought up

[gaunt owl]

they gonna do a big overall

cant have Fury get Bladestorm and Ravager

[sharp wyvern]

or*

[thick kelp]

Slayer 👍

[gaunt owl]

they need to delete SMF for good so people stop yapping that shit all the times

[wicked aurora]

it might be copium but hey

changes will eventually happen

[sharp wyvern]

fated is warrior rework am i right ?

[gaunt owl]

if they dont rework the tree

Arms will always talent fully into Unhinged / Hurricane and Dance of Death

[sharp wyvern]

btw we might not take battle lord if we take BS and hurricane

so that will be less OP procs

[smoky kayak]

I mean we already know Arms is getting some reworks, and the amount of emphasis on Bladestorm here implies that it will also be a focus of changes in the spec tree

[gaunt owl]

Battlelord reset MS

and apply bleeds when execute time

[wicked aurora]

oh boy just think about MBG with Slayer

[gaunt owl]

its Tactician and Deft Experience that proc OP through the roof

[minor gust]

BS procs procing unhinged would be cool

[gaunt owl]

i forgor this one

[wicked aurora]

the WW spam in keys in between 12 second BS

[rare helm]

as a mbg enjoyer

i want that

with all my soul

[latent moss]

my guess is that those talents are gone

hurricane dance of death and mbg

[wicked aurora]

I don't think they'd can MBG

[gaunt owl]

Unhinged

need to stay

IT IS TIME

[obtuse copper]

REAL

[latent moss]

prob a talent choice between unhinged and mbg

[dusty dagger]

A big change would be if they simply hasted BS channel like Outlaw's killing spree

[wicked aurora]

MBG is a nice talent in an environment where it's actually tuned to be a pick

[latent moss]

hurricane js gone for sure

[rare helm]

hasted BS would be crazy

[minor gust]

BS is hasted

[obtuse copper]

What about Dance of Death guys..

[sharp wyvern]

its gonna be great for tindral

[dusty dagger]

is it?

[rare helm]

nah nah like turbo hasted

gimme 1 second full BS

[minor gust]

yes

[bronze hound]

I actually tried playing that in Season 2. Doesnt Even work with Unhinged. Scammed

[obtuse copper]

💀

[obtuse copper]

That just makes me imagine having a short cooldown AoE spender that actually does good dmg

Or rather than a spender it could just be a good spell

Sks before this season was the closest thing but even that was only 2 target

[wicked aurora]

Cleave could be that if only they'd tune it as such

[rare helm]

mannn hurricane MBG cleave

my beloved

[obtuse copper]

[shadow ibex]

passive sweeping

MS is cleave gg

[wicked aurora]

honestly legion SS was bis

[obtuse copper]

They tried with SoS this xpac but

[minor gust]

Legion SS bring it back

[obtuse copper]

Was weird cause the CD is super short and the damage was kinda meh without MBG

[regal wharf]

arms bros... we won

[smoky kayak]

It's a very interesting tree

[half vine]

I get the impression Slayer is an attempt to give better ST dmg in a AoE spec and vice versa....AoE dmg in ST spec

[smoky kayak]

it's exciting in every way that Colossus was not 😆

[obtuse copper]

At least it delivers on fantasy

[regal wharf]

also as a frost mage lover, the spell slinger tree looks dope

[obtuse copper]

Colossus feels like they had an idea, designed the tree, realized last minute "Oh shit it's called Colossus. Uhhhh let's give them 5% increased size?"

[smoky kayak]

tbf, every hero spec has had a mix of ST and AoE; purposefully so that you didn't run into issues like "Colossus is the ST and Slayer is the MT"

[wicked aurora]

Real

[dusty dagger]

Yeah but does slayer have 5% size buff

[smoky kayak]

I'm sure one of them will end up better or worse in specific situations like that, but it's one thing when that's a matter of tuning and another when it's outright design

[half vine]

Ah, well I guess we will have to wait until Beta goes live to see how it plays

[smoky kayak]

you know actually that's a good point - there doesn't seem to be much visual identity with Slayer
I'm gonna make a note of that to my feedback

[regal wharf]

the fact you can use ur interrupts while in bladestorm is reason enough to be excited

gonna feel so much better in M+

[half vine]

How about this - Piercing Howl now is a Bloodlust, Dispell, Battle Rez, and Incorporeal disrupter all in 1 button

[boreal quartz]

make intervene a spellbop

[regal wharf]

so demon hunters level of kit versatility

[smoky kayak]

It will, and that actually raises a question of whether the bonus is too important - could it disproportionally promote Slayer in M+ and PvP over Colossus/Mountain Thane?

[sharp wyvern]

the BS procs are your visual identifier

[half vine]

Them and Evokers. Evokers have it all when they have engineer rez bracers

[regal wharf]

uhhhh idk cause colossus focuses on shockwave and other aoe stuff right?

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, but they're still gonna have access to Bladestorm (Mountain Thane for Fury too, presumably)

[dusty dagger]

In arena BS is already really good, being able to stun and kick bring it miles ahead, especially with charge breaking root/immoblie

[smoky kayak]

exactly

[half vine]

either way, time to balance 100specs in the game. have fun devs

[dusty dagger]

Meanwhile demolish will never be good in pvp as is

[regal wharf]

blizzards always been bad with balance i dont trust them at all

[obtuse copper]

I mean let's be realistic, they're gonna balance everything for ST and vaguely for 2-5 targets and let M+ be an unbalanced shitfest as per usual.

[regal wharf]

hooray for marksmans target cap for no discernable reason

[gaunt owl]

if everybody is broken

why balance ?

like Legion you know

[tribal kindle]

But this time we have bladestworm st

[obtuse copper]

Everyone won't be broken is the issue

Look at Boomie with Starfall in recent years

[wicked aurora]

They'll find a way to fix that, just like they did for WW until they finally said fuck it we'll let you move while channeling

[obtuse copper]

Only spec that can do good spread mass AoE

[regal wharf]

they really gotta homogenize utility and buffs and shit

you barely have any spots in standard raid comp

[slow saddle]

nah

never

ever do that again

[teal fossil]

i love homogenizing

i hate class fnatasy

[wind quiver]

balancing everything for the same scenario is impossible anyway, aiming for everything having at least one niché is more feasible

[boreal quartz]

love being good on 2 cuz arm

[smoky kayak]

there aren't that many niches in the game lol

[regal wharf]

there's class fantasy, then there's warriors being almost useless on incorporeal, and the way bloodlust is on shaman and mage and no other classes, making them vastly more prefered on M+

[smoky kayak]

like the 2 target arms niche is fine in theory, but how many times does that practically come up each tier? Maybe once, twice if you're lucky, sometimes none at all

[gaunt owl]

its always on boss that dont really matter

[obtuse copper]

Or some other spec, whether designed to be a good 2t spec is just tuned better and more worth bringing

[sharp wyvern]

fyrak has 2 target cleave on the collosusses

for 3 seconds

[half vine]

Hunters/Mages/Warlocks/DH will all be fine. Everyone else has to hope they dont mess things up

[smoky kayak]

think that's a bigger problem with Incorp/afflicted than Wars specifically; bloodlust isn't actually a serious concern since drums exist (BR is a much bigger consideration in small groups, but I mean you really can't give it to everyone or what's the point)

meta is almost always defined by performance, not utility

[tribal kindle]

Does any of the hero's talents change your class tree option on Champion's spear vs Devastating roar?

[smoky kayak]

hard maybe for Colossus (given its crit focus), but probably not, no

although whatever they end up doing with the base class & spec trees could change that

[dusty dagger]

yeah, still unsure how they'll move around shockwave and/or replace it's nodes with

[wind quiver]

sure, but thinking they'd try to make every spec and every hero tree balanced in every scenario and game activity would be a pipe dream

[smoky kayak]

Oh I agree

WoW is an insanely complicated game; even under the best conditions, perfect balance is completely unfeasible

[teal fossil]

the easiest way to allow shockwave is removing 2h spec

[sharp wyvern]

or titanic throw

[teal fossil]

and then make armed to the teeth one pointer

idk why titanic throw would matter

[dusty dagger]

hey i use titanic throw farming old content

[smoky kayak]

I mean they already said Shockwave is moving, so I think it's kind of academic at this point, until we see what they have in mind

[teal fossil]

its not blocking anything

[sharp wyvern]

im saying replace it with shockwave and nothing is lost

[teal fossil]

but then you get into the issue of fury having a hard time taking it

[sharp wyvern]

im pretty sure thats a talent thats taken 0% across the board

[wind quiver]

is that used for prog at all tho?

[teal fossil]

because titanic throw requires mandatory TC

[sharp wyvern]

oh true

[wind quiver]

prot *

[teal fossil]

and if you dont play mountain thane

you just trolled 2 points

[teal fossil]

not really no

[visual fern]

Lost ark slayer has a....uh.....

...size buff

[teal fossil]

but titanic throw isnt meant to be an actual good talent

its meant to be a world quest thingy

[visual fern]

@safe tundra confirm ty

[dusty dagger]

[sharp wyvern]

choice node with sidearms maybe since concussive blows is also never taken

[visual fern]

Wait does valk also play slayer

[teal fossil]

choice noding side arms is about as much of a dps loss as it is right now

[sharp wyvern]

you cant just have shockwave with not sacrificing something

[slow saddle]

i just want some talent squishes

[sharp wyvern]

else they can jsut put it into the core class skills

[slow saddle]

shouldnt need to spend 2 talent points on chrushing

obviously our talent tree's needs some reworks

[dusty dagger]

i mean in m+ you can sac crushing for shockwave

never slam in keys anyway

and in raid you never shockwave so you can take crushing

[slow saddle]

thats not the point im trying to make though

[dusty dagger]

[slow saddle]

its more about some talents shouldnt cost 2 points

and not being able to have shit we had before

like Second wind - shockwave - stun and fear

[half vine]

They ran out of ideas.

Blizzard: "just make it cost 2 points, we will save work energy!"

[slow saddle]

like once again weve LOST our cc's more than other classes

i mean if chrusty force cost 1

we just had 1 more talent to put into utility

[gaunt owl]

Chrusty force

ahah

[magic plinth]

so guys

just for me to udnerstand

aoe scenario:

[gaunt owl]

spam execute

bladestorm

[dusty dagger]

[minor gust]

kaching

[magic plinth]

i start with TC for bleeds, do i then warbreaker into bladestorm or bladestorm and then afterwards warbreaker with all cds?

like... do i empower bladestorm or do i use the strength from bladestorm to empower my SS window aftewards?

[gaunt owl]

oh current Arms

[minor gust]

Empower the BS in Aoe

[gaunt owl]

you can do a quicksim with 5T

its gonna show

[dusty dagger]

i usually TC > WB > WW > BS > SS > MS/EX > WW before hurricane buff ends

[gaunt owl]

but yeah should be warbreaker into BS

[safe tundra]

Confirmed frfr

[minor gust]

if you run double bladestorm the opener is different than single

[remote talon]

I wish bladestorm would go away, and especially Avatar bladestorm... it's super awkward in general and even more so with the 21 out of 30 seconds sweeping strikes

[magic plinth]

and with warlords torment, do i also use my avatar (reck) ?

[dusty dagger]

i didn't even factor in ava/roar

oop

[boreal quartz]

double bs:

[magic plinth]

no i play single bs

[boreal quartz]

charge tc ava -> wb roar stuff bs

charge tc wb roar ava ss bs for single bs

[hazy flower]

double bs: dont play it

[boreal quartz]

fr

[dusty dagger]

you ss before bs?

[hazy flower]

you ss after bs

[gaunt owl]

das Opener

le execute is SD

[hazy flower]

keep in mind this is on 5t

if it was 10t

you weave in 1 more tc

before

in fall in the first pull half my gcds are fucking tc

[boreal quartz]

for long ss i would but like

[hazy flower]

because there are like 30 mobs

[boreal quartz]

i run short so generally after

[gaunt owl]

why would you

you gonna get some SD proc soon

[hazy flower]

trust me

so many mobs

[gaunt owl]

i dont trust you

[hazy flower]

sd proccs are not enough

[gaunt owl]

you are padder material

[hazy flower]

I am not a padder material

I am ethical player

[dusty dagger]

I am padder in Tindral

[gaunt owl]

i know what you mean Myrtu

waiting for the pull to be done

[minor gust]

Tindral aint real hes fake

[gaunt owl]

you do some tclap here and there

[hazy flower]

nono in general

the pull is so big

and it lasts

1:45-2mins

on 29-30 fortified

[dusty dagger]

Fake Tindral cant hurt you, he's not real

[hazy flower]

you need to keep refreshing and refreshing

cant find my log from the 30 fortified but my top damage was rend tr and tclap

lol

[gaunt owl]

you always tclap anyway

since you need those OP refresh

[hazy flower]

ye

I'm uploading some logs maybe I'll find it

[bronze hound]

How much Copium do i need to start believing that Condemn will take Shockwaves Place in the Class Tree?

[hexed saddle]

condemn isnt capstone worthy

[bronze hound]

Thats the reason its missing in Slayer !!

[proper garden]

condemn is bad

[dusty dagger]

[hexed saddle]

condemn isnt bad with blizzards current boss design

[gaunt owl]

the next guy that mention condemn

need a timeout

so he can go touch grass and reflect upon his mistakes

[dusty dagger]

Bring back banner

Augementation Warr

[minor gust]

Condemned to touch grass

[bronze hound]

I have Flowers in my Basement

[cinder remnant]

Slayer's Strike may actually have some visual. Even tho its passive from AA

[abstract vale]

surely BS goes in shockwaves place

lemme prot spin again

[proper garden]

[bronze hound]

Most likely. These Hero Talent trees are doing some heavy lifting for class fantasy. Paladin also has a Proc that triggers a animation.

[dusty dagger]

Only class hero tree that Slays

💅

[nova marsh]

Wow

Both trees are just....just no

[minor gust]

Slayer owns

[nova marsh]

Slayer combing exe and bs? That feels...odd honestly

Espically if this is used in raid dear god

Also FUCKING REALLY? Sb and pummel in bs

THROUGH A TALENT

That's the biggest slap in the face I've ever seen

[boreal quartz]

how come

[hybrid bolt]

Why?

[boreal quartz]

you get what you want

through a talent u always get if u take the tree

[hybrid bolt]

We get all points at max level, only choice nodes can be different right

Or do we miss out on some at max level?

[gaunt owl]

yes

[nova marsh]

Something we've asked for baseline for YEARS

Literally years

A talent

And oh bs just seems so much worse if u take coll

[hybrid bolt]

I guess i dont really mind that the hero talents are pushing us towards certain builds, like Slayer being more bs oriented than coll

[nova marsh]

I think that's okay. But I still just like....why not baseline

[hybrid bolt]

But agreed, itd be nice to be able to use it baseline

[nova marsh]

Also I can't imagine this rotation in raid

[minor gust]

press execute

press BS

[nova marsh]

Throw in bs

[minor gust]

whats confusing here

[nova marsh]

It just seems like adding yet even more conflicting priorities

[hybrid bolt]

Pressing bladestorm during execute phase feels weird doesn't it?

[minor gust]

BS channel duration is much shorter

thanks to one of the nodes

[gaunt owl]

its same as it is now

[minor gust]

nvm

[thick kelp]

we havnt even seen the reworked arms tree yall its gonna be good

[hybrid bolt]

Frenetic fury gives you the quick bs

[gaunt owl]

there is just so much that we need the alpha to test

[hybrid bolt]

I imagine raid build for Slayer might not even take BS? And you just Frenetic Flurry whenever as a cool bonus

[thick kelp]

godbless alpha release before s4

[nova marsh]

That sounds horrible

[minor gust]

Either way nothing wrong with pressing BS in ST aslong as its worth pressing

[nova marsh]

Like with how much we use op even at a low chance I still think it'd be pressed a lot

[hybrid bolt]

True

[nova marsh]

procced

[kind saffron]

i hope BS is passive (like archi says in his post) or cancellable again, because it might be a nonstarter if I squeeze a GCD out and can't leap out of a mechanic because i highrolled a bladestorm (i understand you can just not hit OP in these cases but that's not as fun imho)

[hybrid bolt]

It seems like as is, you press bladestorm for the full channel right before execute phase begins to get the overwhelming blades bonus going into it

[minor gust]

it hits just once so even if it isnt purely passive it should be quick enough where its only in GCD so you wont feel it anyways

obviously yeah purely passive would be much better so hoping for that

[kind saffron]

😍 it does say that, you are right. that would be fantastic then (esp since the other thing says if you get more, it doenst change duration. so if it applies to frenetic, it would apply in the same principle, prob?)

[nova marsh]

Tbh I'm still iffy on it

Looking at the SB and pummel cast feels more like blizz realizing it'd be a huge problem with random bses likely and just fixed it with that, which is good

That would be godawfuk

[kind saffron]

just gotta wait for alpha i suppose, i'm a fan of the general movement toward giving arms more aoe damage profile. i think the skill floor goes down a tiny bit but it's an easy trade since accessible, more flexible m+ damage profile is wonderful

[minor gust]

dont think to much on it talent tree changes are coming so you cant really give an opinion until we see those changes

[kind saffron]

^+1

[nova marsh]

This is absolutely true

[minor gust]

My guess is BS is going into the class tree for fury and arms

[dusty dagger]

Slayer needs something to make it visually different though

[nova marsh]

Where shock is probs

As for what the follow on talents for arms would look like after that, who knows

[minor gust]

yee

because to me all the OP nodes in the Slayer tree make no sense unless something like tactician is changing

Legion tactician coming back

[nova marsh]

The issue there is questions about coll then

And how fast we'd be able to build up stacks and do cdr on demolish

[strange perch]

ngl with the amount of OP talents in slayer they might as well just make it replace MS

[nova marsh]

No

[gaunt owl]

thats what they doing since 10.0.5

we are basically doing OP > MS anyway

[strange perch]

im psure OP does more dmg than unbuffed MS with dreadnaught line included

[nova marsh]

It absolutely does

[latent moss]

they said

its in spec

[minor gust]

where?

sauce

[gaunt owl]

cant trust blizzard

source

i made it the fuck up

[strange perch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1210680867739930735/1218273927743148142/image.png?ex=66071102&is=65f49c02&hm=36b23b7fead808238d2937585e5fd20e3aae7cadbf22fe253fd7f18e282eda6e&

[dusty dagger]

[nova marsh]

I mean this is pre alpha shit

For all we know slayer could get reworked into a pure st talent tree by August

[strange perch]

it doesnt matter all I see is the warrior developer smoking crack

[minor gust]

thats what I get for not continuing to read after seeing fury can use BS

[gaunt owl]

they wants some AOE into each tree

[nova marsh]

We already knew that

[dusty dagger]

Don't you put that evil on me ricky bobby

[strange perch]

bro did not stop hitting the pipe all throughout DF

and he's still doing it

[nova marsh]

Yeah I see ot cuz they want them to be viable in all content

[visual fern]

Slayer tree design is the most exciting thing I've seen for warrior design since nyalotha

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nova marsh]

Tbh after seeing it

I'd rather use coll

[dusty dagger]

You just wanna be 5% bigger

admit it

[strange perch]

ah frenzy + tunnel vision looks like a fun thing

[minor gust]

atleast Slayer tree has some actual tought put into it unlike colossus tree being all boring % nodes

[hazy flower]

it looks like dog and I'm very curious about the implementation of this

[strange perch]

no more tab targeting ms to spread deep wounds cus dps loss

god bless frenzy for arms

[visual fern]

You don't have mouseover MS macro?

[strange perch]

thanks for the idea

[boreal quartz]

tab before your swing ends goober

[gaunt owl]

[visual fern]

I've had it since nyalotha

[gaunt owl]

have you heard about the mouseover macro ?

[visual fern]

Where I realized arms was a dot spec

[nova marsh]

Yeah basically

[dusty dagger]

[visual fern]

Nah I enjoyed it

[nova marsh]

If only we got a rework with proper direction

[visual fern]

Was something different

Than what we had for the next 4 years

[modest moss]

https://tenor.com/view/nut-cum-jizz-horny-dick-gif-21213004

[slow saddle]

Does sound like slayer is stronger on fury. Also doesnt sound like u can use rotation. Only ccs

[boreal quartz]

bs is still bs

[nova marsh]

It probally would be

[strange perch]

holy shit are we finally gonna spec into unhinged

[slow saddle]

I mean it says

Hits em once

Not spin like a god

[nova marsh]

Assuming that still exists maybe

[slow saddle]

Sounds like a ww almost😅

[strange perch]

but what if i have dance of death talented hm?

[nova marsh]

If you use slayer and bs in raid

[slow saddle]

I would love that🤣

Exexute prowes ftw

[nova marsh]

My other issue with slayer

Is in a large regard it feels more focused on bs and op then execute

[strange perch]

execute increases the dmg of ur next OP by 35% man

[slow saddle]

Obviously we would need bladestorm moved a lot

[serene hollow]

Prayge for cooks on the arms bladestorm capstones to make them more appealing in single target

[boreal quartz]

op>ms

[slow saddle]

Else its just slayer m+

Col raid

Which i guess would also be ok

[nova marsh]

Actually that's an issue with both

Why so many filler buffs

[grand idol]

Imagine we just had a way to drop bladestorm separate from us allowing regular rotational attacks to happen. it would be ravaging.

[nova marsh]

Like dosent coll ALSO have an op damage buff?

[slow saddle]

Hahahahah

[gaunt owl]

use Colossus its confusing the way you spell it

[nova marsh]

People say it both ways 🤷‍♂️

[gaunt owl]

there is one L

[serene hollow]

Nah I don't want ravager, I want arms warrior convoke cooked into bladestorm. Not the 2 mortal strike crap

[nova marsh]

I'm tired lol but like....

Do we REALLY need more OP damage from anywhere?

It's already overtuned to fuck and back and wayyyy overly important as is

[dusty dagger]

Can i ask, why did they decide to re-describe what sudden death does in this talent.

[gaunt owl]

they gonna rework dont worry

[smoky kayak]

for clarity

[nova marsh]

They did the exact same thing for our 2pc irrc

[nova marsh]

If it's reworked it also feels odd to just buff them

[dusty dagger]

clarify

[smoky kayak]

they could have just said "increase the proc rate of Sudden Death"

[dusty dagger]

right?

[nova marsh]

And then someone new is like "wtf is sudden death"

because it's a passive

[smoky kayak]

but repeating what Sudden Death does means people don't need to go back and look up what Sudden Death does

e.g. clarity

it's certainly redundant, but not exactly harmful, so 🤷‍♂️

[dusty dagger]

i feel harmed

[visual fern]

Better than getting garmed

[smoky kayak]

a very general rule in technical writing is not to repeat definitions inside the same work, but to repeat them in separate works

[visual fern]

Gottem

[hazy flower]

yes

delete ms

make OP one and OP two

[nova marsh]

Ah yes

[dusty dagger]

[hazy flower]

so we can roleplay fury

[smoky kayak]

so, applying that concept to WoW means if Sudden Death is defined in the spec tree (in the talent), it probably doesn't need to be re-defined if it's mentioned a second time within the spec tree

[nova marsh]

Delete one of the most defining abilities for arms, what are we gonna do next, delete rampage for fury and delete Templar's verdict for ret? lol

[strange perch]

why do u want ms to be a thing man let it die

[nova marsh]

...I like MS?

[smoky kayak]

but if Sudden Death is referenced again in a tier set bonus or something separate from the class tree, it's a good idea to redefine it so that you don't have to navigate away from what you're looking at in order to refamiliarize the term

[nova marsh]

Why is MS suddenly a crime against humanity?

[strange perch]

cause i stack my EP and my OP for it to not crit

[smoky kayak]

again, that's a very broad and general concept, normally applied more to like... paragraphs and chapters of a technical manual than game systems like WoW, but it's all the same kind of idea

[gaunt owl]

they are bringing back the real OP

the one that crit

[nova marsh]

....Your point?

[gaunt owl]

and nuke the rogue

[dusty dagger]

this is actually really insightful in the writing descriptions of the game

[minor gust]

Legion Tactician

[dusty dagger]

[nova marsh]

Tbh I just wonna know if they're....actually gonna rework arms

[gaunt owl]

it would be legit too good if they bring back that

[nova marsh]

Like I'm more interested in that then the hero talents

[minor gust]

they can really nuke the proc chance

[smoky kayak]

FWIW, WoW is famed for its inconsistency, so I wouldn't take it as an absolute or anything, but it makes the most sense to me 🤷‍♂️

[minor gust]

Remove ToM and give legion Tactician

[nova marsh]

I honestly think blizz should announce some tentative class changes after hero talents are done

[thorny laurel]

So I guess the arms class identity is channeled melee attacks now? Both hero trees focus on them

[slow saddle]

My biggest dream🤣

I mean 1 is st 1 is aoe

Also making bs potentially viable on st is nice

[nova marsh]

That's another issue

Why is arms getting channel after channel? Like....seriously what the fuck

[boreal quartz]

love not playing the game

[nova marsh]

I just think blizz should be more....idk, creative? I honestly would've preffered

[minor gust]

Some ppl do want slower arms and do nothing but channeling does slow it down

[nova marsh]

If they buffed the base damage of MS and made Collusus revolve around fucking MASSIVE hits

[slow saddle]

Channel sounds cool ngl

[nova marsh]

That's not what slowing down the rotation means thou

[wind quiver]

just amping MS does sound very creative

[slow saddle]

If its strong enough is cool

[nova marsh]

I just want it to not be close to as spammy as fury.

Channels just mean "lmao you don't get to play the game"

[slow saddle]

If its hast3d we gucci man

[gaunt owl]

MS between 20k or 500k

depending on your buff

[exotic kestrel]

Am i misreading (read pretty Quick) or is slayer pretty underwhelming outside of charge movespeed and interrupting while bladestorming ?

[worldly kernel]

I mean arms was unchanged until wotlk then cata came out with CS which pretty much was a bandaid for removing arp and it slowly turned into damage window In CS which is nice because the buttons felt meaningful to press. I think it’s become too complex to where people wanna over complicate specs or they plain just don’t know what they want

[nova marsh]

Yeah no it is

[minor gust]

No MS crits in cds make me want to buy rope

[gaunt owl]

the all point of reading is to take your time

[nova marsh]

I'm....honestly dissapointed in both trees and more interested in base changes

Because warrior, espically arms, really needs them

[exotic kestrel]

Idk it feels like colossus atleast has the potential to be rly cool, slayer to me just seems like "meh thats nice i guess"

[nova marsh]

Total agree

[exotic kestrel]

Again the pummel and storm bolt while bladestorming is very cool

Maybe i was just overhyped fot slayer

[nova marsh]

Tbh if Colosuss just let you move during the channel and maybe had some SS talents and the size increase was 10% it'd be perfect

[worldly kernel]

IMO the big change I would want to see is remove damage modifier to op-> Ms and make MS hit harder so it feels good to press ms

[exotic kestrel]

If i can go "fuck yeah" everytime i press demollish im happy

[nova marsh]

I think OP needs to be moved into a just "press when ur out of rage" filler again

Instead of being....the second most important ability in the whole rotation...

[gaunt owl]

the point of Slayer is more SD proc thats gonna feed your Bladestorm CDR and its gonna fuel more dmg

[nova marsh]

Okay maybe third

[nova marsh]

To be fair

Also could mean BS evrey pull in keys?

That actually sounds decently neat

[worldly kernel]

Honestly the slayer tree could have been worse o said the same thing about arms going into DF and I was content with it and had fun

Also they could change things based off of feedback

[nova marsh]

I really hope they do

Like I said, if Collsusus just had some changes like being able to move and treating demolish like Fists of fury, it'd be great

[worldly kernel]

But I agree base changes need to happen fundamentally for the spec to feel better to play BUT again I will always say this I’m thankful that this spec which I’ve enjoyed for over a decade is playable in all forms of content and not completey garbage

[exotic kestrel]

Maybe once i get my hands on slayer it feels rly good (im completely disregarding power ofc)

[nova marsh]

Arms being mediocore at best is actually good ngl

[visual fern]

Slayer tree enables execute (we are the original execute class, no?) to interact with every part of our kit

[nova marsh]

At least we aren't survival

[visual fern]

I don't see how that's a bad thing

https://tenor.com/bjwop.gif

[nova marsh]

I mean from that perspective that's not a bad idea

Also it dosen't really interact with MS, but Collusus already does heavily sooooo 🤷‍♂️

[visual fern]

EP > MS is baseline

📈

[nova marsh]

Well yeah that's true

[gaunt owl]

give back EP 75%

easy fix

[visual fern]

TRUE

[nova marsh]

But I meant, aside from that, the tree itself in a vaccum dosen't interact with it

Make EP 200%

Make it nuts

I honestly don't really care, I just want the base EP rotation to be standard

Instead of....whatever the hell ToM has caused

[minor gust]

and so here I was pressing execute for the 17th time

[exotic kestrel]

Fuck ToM

Reading it again maybe it is actually kinda pog

[nova marsh]

Actually slayer giving more SD kinda leads to the same problem as current 4pc

Depends on how much, but still a thing

[minor gust]

Just remove Tom and a lot of problems go away

[nova marsh]

But....that assumes ToM survives

And I really hope it fucking dosen't

[gaunt owl]

TOM needs to die

to be buried for good

[visual fern]

Bring back nya TOM

[nova marsh]

no

Just kill the entire concept please

Flat damage curves are fucking awful

[visual fern]

Dw

Nya tom wasn't a curve

It was a straight line up

[nova marsh]

I just don't think ToM is, in arms's current state, worthy of iteration atm

Just let it go

[visual fern]

https://tenor.com/bf6is.gif

[exotic kestrel]

At the very least SD needs to contribute to ToM again

[nova marsh]

No

Just take it out please. ToM isn't even interesting as an idea

[latent moss]

i mean

current rotation

has to do with ms not doing shit

if ms actually did damage sure

[exotic kestrel]

Is that ashvanes i see

[visual fern]

Yah I bought a socketed coral off someone for like

200jk

Max ilvl too

[minor gust]

This is just the current rotation

[visual fern]

But at 110% haste

[exotic kestrel]

Ngl end bfa full corruption arms was giga

[minor gust]

Corruption life

[gaunt owl]

Arms on crack

[nova marsh]

?

What...does that have to do with the post you replied to?

[tulip garden]

slayer...

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spider-man-web-of-shadows-depressed-sad-gif-16524395

[zealous basin]

for m+ which build is good now?

[minor gust]

Slay Queen

[nova marsh]

How I actually feel

Like damn bro

[latent moss]

its not sd

leading to this rotation

is what i meant

[nova marsh]

I know that

What I was saying is that the problem is more so how many free abilities arms gets

I wasn't pointing at MS at all

[tulip garden]

its so bad bro wtf...it gives us MORE RAGE...it makes us BLADESTORM MORE...it makes us OVERCAP...and it DOESNT INTERACT with TEST OF MIGHT....and we have to press OVERPOWER

bro im genuinely tweaking

[nova marsh]

Please remove Test of Might

Like please

[tulip garden]

please remove overpower

[nova marsh]

Just throw it in the trash where it belongs

Overpower just needs to be brought down not removed

God yall just wonna remove Arms at this point

[tulip garden]

i want to remove parasitic BFA design arms

[zealous basin]

true

that is actually true

[minor gust]

Talent changes are coming for the spec tree

[nova marsh]

Complaining it dosen't interact with ToM

When evreyone just wants it removed anyways

[gaunt owl]

who the fuck are you

[nova marsh]

Okay let's remove any and all abilities that don't cost rage for arms

And make evreything else cost 40

Remove reck from arms

No more rage cap talents

[tulip garden]

i hate ToM, but if they're going to keep ToM then they need to go all in with it or else we're playing a shitty combination of two specs that dont interact with each other at all

[nova marsh]

...we already are

[tulip garden]

i know

[nova marsh]

And tbh we still DON'T KNOW if they are

[tulip garden]

they're just making it even worse

[gaunt owl]

they gonna rework

[nova marsh]

Yeah like I think taking these trees

and applying them to arms's current state

Is just a bad idea. There is no shot we don't see large sweeping changes

[covert badge]

does intervene work 2nd boss brh to get a glaive?

[nova marsh]

We're just circling back around to hey blizzard where's the alpha

[minor gust]

yee the hero trees are made with future spec tree changes in mind

not current trees

[nova marsh]

yeah blizz made that really clear with how many changes the class tree alone has announced

[zealous basin]

I just need SLAYER talent tree

[nova marsh]

With Shockwave, TC, and BS being moved around

[hazy flower]

@ornate eagle

[gaunt owl]

you are late to the party ?

[hazy flower]

started playing

double ret and war

last few keys

shit's working real good lol

[zealous basin]

no i saw it

[hazy flower]

our timer was on point in dht 29

[zealous basin]

but i need it

i like it very much

[hazy flower]

sadly someone (not warrior because warriors are perfect) fucked up on 3rd boss and we had a wipe

but we had like 7 mins left for 1 trash pack and last boss

[nova marsh]

But I mean....at least alpha's soon right?

RIGHT??

[ornate eagle]

before s4 yeah

[nova marsh]

I mean, if 10.2.6 is out

and they said several weeks

Assuming under a month wait to be generous lol

Alpha should be announced like in 2 weeks

[minor gust]

end of march or begining of April for alpha hopefully

[gaunt owl]

wait you guys didnt receive your invite already ?

[nova marsh]

So

How's demolish in alpha

[gaunt owl]

[nova marsh]

Sir from the future

What's the raid like LOL

[gaunt owl]

everything is bland and boring

thats why i'm chatting in discord

[nova marsh]

So basically

Normal launch stuff

Gotcha

[minor gust]

Imagine ever recieving a beta inv couldnt be me

[gaunt owl]

you can literally buy this one

[minor gust]

oh true

[smoky kayak]

you know what they say - if you're bored, then you're boring

[gaunt owl]

[minor gust]

I just remember the only time I ever received a beta inv was for BFA because I won one from a twitter promo by Blizzard but because I never use twitter because twitter is dumb I completely forgot I even entered the contest. I didnt even realize I won a key till like SL

[smoky kayak]

that's why they gave it to you there

so you wouldn't know you're actually blacklisted - no alpha for you!

[pulsar summit]

pummel while bladestorming!

im sold!

[minor gust]

pretty much they saw I never used my code and was like no more invites for this guy

[zealous basin]

PUMMEL WHILE BLADESTORMING

[gaunt owl]

i got DF beta

and used it just to speedrun lvling

when its so useless

[pulsar summit]

i had wotlk and cata.

playing dk early was tight

[neon spruce]

Did they mention how many hero talents we're getting even to pick? 10?

[pulsar summit]

i believe all of them

[gaunt owl]

all of them

[astral yarrow]

beta is mostly just a novelty unless you actually make content or somehow enjoy playing a not working version of what you are gonna play the next 2 years

[pulsar summit]

only need to worry about choice talents

[neon spruce]

I kinda dislike that, can then just be a passive acquisiton imho since it is not a choice 🤷🏻‍♂️

[nova marsh]

They basically are?

[exotic kestrel]

Getting all is good

[pulsar summit]

in the end a large majority of us pick the meta talents anyway

[nova marsh]

I think all is good because it lets them design these as cohesive talents

That work together

[exotic kestrel]

Imagine having to skip charge movementspeed coz other node gives 1%dmg

[nova marsh]

Without having "Oh hey you can take these but not this lol get fuckkked xdxdxd"

[exotic kestrel]

Yeh

[nova marsh]

Like if these were designed as normal trees they'd be awful

[smoky kayak]

I mean this is pretty true, unless you're a serious bug finder, most of alpha/beta testing is boring as shit

punctuated by occasional updates that remain exciting for about 5 minutes

then you go back to "ok wait for next week the new bugs that popped up"

[nova marsh]

I don't actually want alpha/beta, I just want to see how these actually work in execution

[smoky kayak]

Yeah, the first alpha build(s) will be the most exciting for that reason

[nova marsh]

And also to give blizz feedback about what needs to change

[smoky kayak]

then it'll be ok "ok, release when?"

[nova marsh]

Instead of us just looking at them as basic concepts and needing like 20 clarifactions to get a decent picture of what it actually does

[smoky kayak]

the feedback does matter, they really do read a lot more than most people think

but it is still kinda like screaming into the void, not knowing if you'll be heard (much less agreed with)

[nova marsh]

Tbh I feel like blizz should've done hero talents like how ffxiv does animation trailers evrey xpack

Just realese them slowly and show off the abilities, animations, and give in-game examples of what they do. Granted....that boldly assumes blizzard even HAS working gameplay prototypes of these

[smoky kayak]

they've done that at times, but in this case I actually do believe they want to get the concepts out there and get feedback before all that stuff is set

like imagine if they showed off the fully working prototype of oracle, and then said "sorry too late to change it" because they already dedicated to all the flashy animations and everything

[nova marsh]

or Lightsmith

Jesus christ THAT would've been awful

[smoky kayak]

We'll see how well they act on it, but I'm pretty happy with their follow up to community feedback so far

if that means I gotta wait longer to see these things in action, eh, I'm ok with it

[nova marsh]

I do also gotta worry again about delays

[smoky kayak]

true, been a lot of those going around the industry

idk if there was a major game released last year that didn't have a delay of one form or another lol

[nova marsh]

espically because like....a good amount of these have either mixed or completely negative reactions (Oracle and light smith in particular)

[minor gust]

Delays are usually a good thing tbh but you could argue cuz wow is a monthly cost delays could feel bad

[nova marsh]

Honestly all the hero talents seem VERY rough around the edges

And they're....basically all we've gotten in terms of information on TWW

[minor gust]

First iteration they will all see a second pass is my guess

[smoky kayak]

well they are concepts for a reason

[nova marsh]

Yeah, because if they threw Lightsmith in the game randomly

That would not go over well

[smoky kayak]

idk, I can't really find the reasoning to begrudge an early look looking rough, when we've repeatedly asked them to show us things earlier in order to get feedback out sooner

it doesn't really work both ways

idc how rough it looks now, only what it looks like by the time its live - we won't know until we get there, but if this early paper concept has even the potential to help polish that final product, I'm pretty happy

the original Warrior DF talent trees were also really rough, but they actually turned out pretty good and way better than those first looks - credit where credit is due, the devs took a lot of the feedback to heart

[bronze hound]

where would you say is the best place to post feedback? I recently posted something about the Colossus tree on Twitter at Warcraft Devs and the Class Forums.

[smoky kayak]

usually the forums; if it's specific to the hero spec then in that spec thread; otherwise the class forum or whatever is most appropriate

[bronze hound]

👏🏼

[smoky kayak]

Twitter is way too spammed to be of any real use unless someone happens to be monitoring it when you actually post it

and idk if they even use the WarcraftDevs account anymore lol

[nova marsh]

Considering their last tweet was in september of last year?

Probally not lol

[bronze hound]

I thought so too but saw some Creators tweet @ that account recently.

[nova marsh]

There've been a shitton of tweets at them

[bronze hound]

Gave me the impressions that they know devs check it. Maybe not.

[nova marsh]

They don't lol

They just want someone to ping I think honestly

Like

Their last tweet was about kickbots

[smoky kayak]

yeah people still do, it's just a massive needle in a haystack problem

more so than forums, and harder to navigate as well

[hazy flower]

@latent moss

meme comp

[latent moss]

wdym

insane comp

[hazy flower]

almost 2chested

[oblique hamlet]

that's the dream comp right there lol i'm genuinely tryng to find a resto shaman so I can run this exact compwith friends

[hazy flower]

fall on tyra is much tighter than on forti so pretty good ig

idk I joined some 28 ad with this guy to reroll my and this pinkwarriors key

and he got dht 29 out of it so asked him if he wants to game

we changed tanks because the one in ad was turbo shit

sadly our dht depleted on 3rd boss but shit happens, was a v solid run so now we're gaming

[tender ermine]

Sorry for the double ask in a day, but would anyone be able to take a look over an arms warrior Fyrakk log to help me out? I thought I was doing okay, but for my ilevel apparently I kind of suck, so I feel maybe there is some fundamental issue with my play but cant figure it out

[proud plover]

Do you have leggo

[tender ermine]

Yessir

I know one of my trinkets isnt great but that sgouldnt be enough to put me at a 6 parse on its own

[proud plover]

Chuck link I'm no expert but you could always goto #449510248579858432

[tender ermine]

I put it in there early this morning but no bites just yet

[proud plover]

Fair

I can glance at it for you but like I said I'm no expert

[tender ermine]

Any help would be appreciated!

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RrAKxYJzX2ygjwBa#fight=39&type=damage-done

I am Gorek

[minor gust]

you were right thats some poopoo trinkets

but avoidance 489 might you lucky dawg

[proud plover]

8 yeah sadly your up against 489 warriors and most of the warriors in that ilvl aree full bis

[minor gust]

also this is heroic so a lot of other 489 parses are either sales kills or ultra stacked lego run

[proud plover]

sim gem changes from haste proc to vers proc caus it buffs leggo damage/dot

it upped mine

[neon spruce]

I am not sure if the overwhelmed debuff from Slayer is typed correctly but it looks like it generally increases damage received from the whole party not just the warrior ?

[tender ermine]

I thought Might was pretty decent, but dont have another myth track trinket yet to put in instead of the crab. Im guessing Augry would be #1 or like a myth Rezans? I suppose I didnt consider my gear score is up against the best of the best

[minor gust]

not a big increase but execute rotation has changed now looks like your still using the old one

[proud plover]

augury+signet brand all the way for fryakk

[tender ermine]

I'll deffo do that! I wouldnt have considered vers for the gems at all, I'll get on that!

[prisma heart]

i think u are under executing on adds and in execute phase

[tender ermine]

Wait really? What did I do wrong? How should I play it instead

[minor gust]

like this

[proud plover]

also tc usage is an issue

[minor gust]

Basically spaming execute until u are under 40 rage then you OP.

[prisma heart]

my kill 30 seconds shorter and i have 20 more executes. getting SS execute cleave spam on adds is big as well

[proud plover]

you get em free from sd proc via tier so no need to cast it in execute phase at all

[tender ermine]

So I want to keep using execute until under 40 rage, and then overpower. Once I have built up the 2Ex and 2 OP I send a mortal strike? bit if I have my buffs up, send the MS after the executes?

[minor gust]

im pretty sure thats from the tier

[proud plover]

my last heroic kill feew weeeks ago

[agile frost]

Way-too-early aside, which tree you guys ogling?

Slayer or colossus?

[minor gust]

yep you got it

[proud plover]

the one in the middlee on its own isnt thats a cast of it

[rare kite]

slayer ifc

ofc

[nova marsh]

Honestly colo

[prisma heart]

also TR before ava and CS in ST

in opener

[tender ermine]

So focus the low ads to cleave execute more as well, that makes sense !

[minor gust]

oh yeah I see that. that shoulda been a slam there

[proud plover]

in opener that isnt going to be the difference eetween a 6 parse and not

[proud plover]

on fryakk i focus boss > big adds and cleeavee to smaller ones only tim i hard swap is when big adds dead but i prio 2t cleave on them rest of fight i dont swap off boss

[tender ermine]

I definately dont use slam nearly enough, I think I am a little to used to M+ and default to Thunder Clap if I need to fill any casts, that should be an easy mental thing now I'm aware I do it

I really appreciate the help guys

[hazy flower]

@latent moss

adventures

of meme comp

continue

[minor gust]

if your doing your priority correctly u will still rarely hit slam but it still will happen

[hazy flower]

someone didnt have shitty luck

and slammed 3 times b2b

[latent moss]

stop keying

go into fury chat and start dooming

[minor gust]

it happens but not often

[hazy flower]

are they dooming again

[latent moss]

when we have 0 idea how either spec

is gonna play

in tww

[latent moss]

the usual

"fury is shit"

2nd best dps

in raid

[proud plover]

slam usage but really work on eexecute phase because thats where you pump dam

[latent moss]

:xdd:

[hazy flower]

wm 30

rsham

2 rets

and arms war

[latent moss]

ez

[proud plover]

no expert tho and ive lost all care to pars these days i just focus on boss dead

[tender ermine]

I was a little dejected in the execute phase seeing the paladins absolutely blast me, but knowing I was playing it completely wrong and how to fix it is a confidence boost. Gotta kill that flaming chicken again and see how I can do with the extra advice

[hazy flower]

ngl it's so weird

@latent moss

playing this comp

because all of us are incredibly tanky

we had 0 deaths in fall

till last boss

[tender ermine]

I mean that looks good to me!

[hazy flower]

where we got 1 death

[latent moss]

not tanky enough

[hazy flower]

dht was a bit scuffed so we got 4 deaths first pull and then 0 deaths afterwards till a wipe

[latent moss]

go fury

[hazy flower]

and this key too like

outside of 2 aped deaths and 2 deaths on last boss run was v clean

usually you see mages die 300 times

[latent moss]

somehow

mages dying :xdd:

[proud plover]

i also had no leggo then and no augury, im yet to run a heroic since getting them, might do it latr on fo funzies

[hazy flower]

we went 30 wm

everyone went

upstairs

I went left

kept spamming go left left left left

they pulld a witch

key depleted

xd

[proud plover]

is upstairs a thing in wcm?

[hazy flower]

u used to go invis upstairs

[proud plover]

javent done that since bfa