hekili wont work
#arms
latent moss
proud plover
rip
teal fossil
Nah hekili is his
Just turn your hekili to predict a bit more
You need to react to procs though
If you mess up crack shot it’s over
proud plover
ill play it badly and let my tmog do the damage!
trim arrow
no dagger offhand
teal fossil
your next 4 gcds are ideally bte
Yeah if your rotation isn’t bte x4 it’s suboptimal
Fucked up
latent moss
real
proud plover
no dagger offhand
nope and still rocking - just logged in to having to respend talent points
trim arrow
s2 lol
proud plover
yeah lol
trim arrow
no bomba pov
frigid lava
I took ToM for tyrannical M+ instead of In for the Kill
thoughts?
I'm already at 40% haste.
proud plover
it really depends on the rest of your build and group comp - iftk is like your own pi in execute phase and pairs well with jugg build
and taking wb means smaller cs windows so lower tom
frigid lava
Hmmm true
proud plover
not saying it doesnt work though
proud plover
more haste = better hasted leggo, bleeed ticks/more tier prics
frigid lava
no leggo 😦
boreal quartz
It's also just less fun cuz no haste
rare kite
I'm already at 40% haste.
your haste level doesn't matter for iftk, iftk just gives you that amount. no impact on dr
smoky kayak
your haste level doesn't matter for iftk, iftk just gives you that amount. no im...
haste is multplicative, so that's not entirely true
diminishing returns only apply to rating, so IFTK won't DR, but how much haste you have does affect how much haste IFTK gives you - in short, the more haste you have, the more you get from IFTK
exotic kestrel
Wait, it doesnt just give u a flat 10 or 20% ?
quasi torrent
Its kinda silly, but it achieves that itll "feel" like the same speedup always
if it didnt, the more haste you had the less useful iftk would feel (and be)
exotic kestrel
yeh now that u mention it i did wonder about that sometimes
playing like 40% haste* and during execute it suddenly felt like i got bloodlust instead of "just" 20%
always just attributed it to wafting devotion proccing or smthing
exotic kestrel
maybe im just crazy then
quasi torrent
youre playing arms so id say yes
exotic kestrel
hey! 
quasi torrent
prove my statement
exotic kestrel
quasi torrent
😎
halcyon breach
quasi torrent
<:anda:1168904285136879647>
kill axe dragon first oki
exotic kestrel
Oof
quasi torrent
low blow im sorrs
halcyon breach
kill axe dragon first oki
This fate will befall me before him
daring heron
benzai hasnt killed dragon yet?
smoky kayak
Its kinda silly, but it achieves that itll "feel" like the same speedup always
it's mostly an artifact from vanilla, at a time where haste didn't do nearly as much as it does now (though it wasn't called haste then either)
quasi torrent
The axe dragon is powerful
halcyon breach
The millisecond he dies I am looking to the future (new guild)
quasi torrent
consider already looking
halcyon breach
I am
halcyon breach
You do know
quasi torrent
in the know
halcyon breach
astral yarrow
Sabo? Hmmge
quasi torrent
she do be feasting
astral yarrow
Tutel
astral yarrow
you are dane
smoky kayak
playing like 40% haste* and during execute it suddenly felt like i got bloodlust...
mathematically it would be ([current haste] * 1.X) + X
so if you have 20% haste, and gain 10% haste, you would actually have
(20 * 1.1) + 10 = 32% haste
halcyon breach
you are dane
Yes but no dane
smoky kayak
or simply 120% * 110% = 132%
astral yarrow
Yes but no dane
dane good
i promise you its not another superbia ^^
Although Mulle will outpad you
exotic kestrel
Sometimes Math is cool
astral yarrow
at least he will complain until he does 
quasi torrent
i promise you its not another superbia ^^
Is this flame
astral yarrow
yes
quasi torrent
king
quasi torrent
Superbia kiiinda spicy
npm high or what
halcyon breach
Crazy measurement
quasi torrent
(Npm > 0) => guild shit
quasi torrent
astral yarrow
@halcyon breach did you see the revoke clips
halcyon breach
I only saw the supposed amount of cancels they had
But I did see one clip at tindral
halcyon breach
Superbia died
apparently I was catalyst for this
halcyon breach
What I did was leave the game in vault
halcyon breach
Like same day rasza died
halcyon breach
Because in aberrus they had trouble finding somewhat competent Danes
So me leaving in vault was a catalyst
quasi torrent
maybe dont be 1 language guild challenge
halcyon breach
Is what I was told
astral yarrow
But I did see one clip at tindral
The "din fucking nørd" one?
halcyon breach
yeah
astral yarrow
Yeah thats the funniest one. Rest is just more of the same
halcyon breach
Danish flaming is very special
quasi torrent
🇩🇰
astral yarrow
👑
halcyon breach
If Danish is so good then why did you leave Sabo then hm??
tardy crag
halcyon breach
halcyon breach
Senore balls
quasi torrent
bolas
obtuse copper
Because in aberrus they had trouble finding somewhat competent Danes
There's always a shortage of competent danes actually
halcyon breach
There's always a shortage of competent danes actually
I've heard the same about swedes weirdly
astral yarrow
just restart the seed
halcyon breach
seeerrd
astral yarrow
sdd
hardy olive
do we press sd proc in CS window?
astral yarrow
Yes
calm trout
Does recklessness work for Arms warrior ?
halcyon breach
Sure?
halcyon breach
Depends what you're going for
But generally 1x BS + Reck proc is the best mix of both ST and AoE, if you're running BS
BS + Blademaster is just a bunch of AoE but your ST will suffer from it
calm trout
So for Tyran warlords is better i guess
halcyon breach
I personally go Warlords regardless
calm trout
yeah it seems more peolpe are running with it
halcyon breach
You already have plenty of AoE with BS + Warlords, so what you gain from having Blademasters typically does not make up for the ST you lose from it
Besides double BS just from a playstyle point of view stinks
calm trout
You already have plenty of AoE with BS + Warlords, so what you gain from having ...
ok thanks , Blademasters simms better so have been using it but see more people using warlords so thought id ask
zealous basin
At the end of the season, i did it
exotic kestrel
Pog
kind sonnet
490 lesgo
exotic kestrel
wheres all ur haste o.O
umbral sluice
ilvl >
copper swan
where embellishments
exotic kestrel
well yes but that still looks all out of wack
gloomy summit
gotta take them off for ilvl screenshot
umbral sluice
nice bracer enchant
boreal quartz
Nice tabard
exotic kestrel
ah
olive nest
copper swan
which lariat proc do you use, lariat users ?
boreal quartz
which lariat proc do you use, lariat users ?
Versa but sim wants mastery i just cba regem rn
clever crag
Embrace the toes
boreal quartz
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uK2e3yM6wJ7tZxw4bFFbe5
Yes
astral yarrow
This char will have come full circle lol
boreal quartz
I will prolly troll my warrior sometime
austere badge
Hey team, is there a max amount of haste for arms?
untold trench
100%
austere badge
Just wondering if 41% is good or should I need more
untold trench
That is a quesiton for a robot, go to raidbots.com and sim, to know what is best for your character
astral yarrow
I think it’ll put you at +- 40% haste and crit in bis setup. At least that’s what both Tmy and I have, so i figure the rest of the competent arms warriors do as well
dull siren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uK2e3yM6wJ7tZxw4bFFbe5
human gonna smurf soon
dull siren
I think it’ll put you at +- 40% haste and crit in bis setup. At least that’s wha...
42/42/21/21
full buffed n etc
that's the best
astral yarrow
As long as nelf is this good for keys, I’ll prolly stay nelf if I end up going for title this season or next
astral yarrow
Giga QoL 
untold trench
Nelf is king: Immunity frame, threat drop, breaks mechanics.
livid cloak
My sim keeps putting me at 27ish mastery and 13ish vers
I'd rather swap them, I may tool around with it a bit
finite mantle
human gonna smurf soon
Smurf this
dull siren
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uK2e3yM6wJ7tZxw4bFFbe5
Alt warrior soon catchin you
boreal quartz
Bro racechanged it
hazy flower
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m4yJmJCErPNpDnieS58Jpi
already simming more than me
I think im at 250
with optimised gear
or like 251
latent moss
low ass sim
boreal quartz
I think im at 250
LOL
latent moss
xdd
boreal quartz
Bros 3k behind me and i dont have mythic brand
latent moss
bro is 250 as arms xdd
boreal quartz
bro is 250 as arms xdd
Gajeel ass fury sim
hazy flower
lemme check how much is it with corrupting rage etc
boreal quartz
85% simmers
hazy flower
give me some time, my gear is optimised towards vers flask xd I need to do 2 sims if you want to see proper gear
dull siren
85% simmers
85% is what u should have tho
I have 84/86% uptime on Fyrakk the only boss that matters
latent moss
why
hazy flower
I got jc and bs and I've sank too much time
m+ is the only content I really care about anyway
and im not gonna run corrupting rage there xd
hazy flower
it would
fringe moon
What was that old arms talent that let you spend rage to build up stacks towards your next mortal strike?
boreal quartz
Alchi op
hazy flower
lone imp
yeah engi alch is nice
clever crag
Nelf is king: Immunity frame, threat drop, breaks mechanics.
Which ?
hazy flower
forgot to change that one
clever crag
I only know of Rezan
daring heron
I can't get my sim above 253.5 with my current stuff/race
hazy flower
tho nelf for you is like -1k?
clever crag
Hardly worth to swap NE for mechanic
hazy flower
human/troll are bis
fringe moon
I’m stuck at 251k
boreal quartz
I can't get my sim above 253.5 with my current stuff/race
What would troll or human put you at?
clever crag
Isnt he human
hazy flower
crit has it in his discord
latent moss
new discord account i am not in half the discords
hazy flower
lone imp
Yo so s1 arms, was that when it was like big cleave spam in m+
fringe moon
Too bad they didn’t bring back focused rage in the colossus talent tree
untold trench
Which ?
Any targeted cast, like bolt from the Dreadlord in BRH, that also scuffs its cast order - in a good way. Most AoE explosions, like the elementals in RLP, ToT and the like. So on and on.
Then you got Razan that just breaks. You can also break augurs, chargie dude, the waterslammers. Basically make em do nothing for 5sec.
Nelf stonkz
livid cloak
Which ?
The 3rd boss in fall with double dragon you can eliminate the dot with meld,
Cull the weak on xavius in dht, uproot in waycrest manor, the big golem guys in atal dazar have a channel you can meld off, any casted mechanic you can meld in a pinch if you are a second or 2 away from kick or stun
crimson charm
Yo so s1 arms, was that when it was like big cleave spam in m+
S1 was the Cleave build for Fort / mass AoE fun
untold trench
In PvP ya can avoid anything from meteor to deathcoil
lone imp
S1 was the Cleave build for Fort / mass AoE fun
Word, I had fun playing that
untold trench
Then dont forget, Nelf is the only way to get 2% true dodge
hazy flower
S1 was the Cleave build for Fort / mass AoE fun
what was the play in tyra
crimson charm
Tip, that build is still really strong, but only for mass AoE, it doesn't really have any single target
crimson charm
S1 was SkS for Tyr, iirc
untold trench
livid cloak
On the 2nd to last boss in brh if you are targeted for the line drop you can run out and meld and pop back in instantly and it'll drop where you melded
hazy flower
I was under the impression sks became a thing in s2
crimson charm
I didn't do more than 1 weekly key per week, so I can't really recall what the play was
hazy flower
did not know about sks s1
crimson charm
I may be off on that one
lone imp
Yeah the ST on the cleave build was bad, and was super punishing if you pressed dumb buttons
latent moss
post .5 you would drop reaping swings for more st iirc
lone imp
But also the ST was worse back then because rage was way more difficult to come by
clever crag
Yeah cleave st sucked but insane mass aoe
lone imp
Yeah the mass aoe was bonkers lol
fringe moon
Who’s looking forward to anvil again in s4?
boreal quartz
Ew
lone imp
who is excited to cast puzzy b
boreal quartz
Fated killtimes will make anvil shit
hazy flower
?? jugg
boreal quartz
Overcooked
hazy flower
wait lemme check top tyra arms
latent moss
check s1
crimson charm
I remember the play being to go mass AoE for the first pull of Academy, then use the portal out and spec full single target for the rest of the dungeon
latent moss
ye
latent moss
wait lemme check top tyra arms
i want to know too
i remember playing this a bit but i didnt care about m+ back then
lone imp
Cleave build on forti nokhud was stonks
boreal quartz
Fuck nokhud
latent moss
hard agree
lone imp
lol big reflect dungeon
latent moss
fuck that dungeon
hazy flower
@latent moss
crimson charm
The biggest buff from having S1 back tho, is the ability to top the meters of Trash in the raids again!
hazy flower
I checked
rare kite
Let fly
hazy flower
top arms keys
latent moss
ik tmy was playing the hybrid cleave most of the time
hazy flower
biz/crit/taiwan/gelly
latent moss
pre .5
lone imp
Honestly the ST wasn't that bad if you didn't cleave in ST and stuff. But now we just seem to generate a lot more rage than we did then so that could close the gap?
i honestly don't remember what changed to make the rage gen go up so much
hazy flower
idk rogues talents but qrva is running FR in nokhud 27 tyra
unless he swapped mid dung
idk
crimson charm
Our rage gen didn't go up, our ability to spend rage went down
hazy flower
wasnt the best dungeon to swap talents
lone imp
Our rage gen didn't go up, our ability to spend rage went down
Ah, fair enough
crimson charm
We went from a Slam > OP, into OP > Slam tuning
lone imp
all the homies hate slam
fringe moon
And don’t forget IP
boreal quartz
We went from a Slam > OP, into OP > Slam tuning
Neither of those are good but wcyd
crimson charm
IP wasn't a thing in S1, was it?
lone imp
well ip change is for AM right
latent moss
ye
like right now
we are 130 perma
outside of exe
and then u are perma rage starving in exe
if u dont have windfury
crimson charm
We did go from the, by far, best WF spec, to a mid tier one
latent moss
i mean in exe phase arms is one of the best
crimson charm
And to be honest with you, I'd rather be in a spot where an external buff is a nice bonus, rather than a requirement
latent moss
idk to me personally it is a requirement
but its a feeling thing
more than a performance thing
crimson charm
Indeed, it feels ass to play without WF, but numbers-wise, it's not that big of a deal
latent moss
ye
daring heron
What would troll or human put you at?
Barely 254
latent moss
Barely 254
you could prob push for 255 with 496 augury and some stat redistribution
gaunt owl
IP wasn't a thing in S1, was it?
IP was missing before the cursed rework
crimson charm
Should just do like me, and get 489 Signet, 489 Branch, 489 Mirror, 489 Sandglass, and 489 Ember. Still only got a 483 Augury tho, sadly
It's makes it hard to decide what to use sometimes
hazy flower
@dull siren @gaunt owl @latent moss https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/chRCWPNJy9NNHc26Yvr6iW
I am
fucked
:xdd:
daring heron
I looted a 489 ember today 
hazy flower
cant even sim 252 properly
lone imp
I have uhh... 483 rezans, 476 signet, 483 mirror, 483 might of the ocean, 483 pips
very cool gaming
crimson charm
IIRC, I'll be at 454.5 on my main, once if I swap my foodbuff ring, for a 489+socket ring, which I have in my bags
lone imp
peak performance
crimson charm
Who needs peak performance, when you could instead just be carried by gear?
latent moss
cant even sim 252 properly
rerun it a few times
get that margin of error
over 252
:xdd:
daring heron
are people cheating with 85% corrupting
crimson charm
Just put it to 100%, and BSL to 100%
daring heron
then i should get 254k+ too
crimson charm
Easy sims
gaunt owl
If you dont have 85% do you even try
daring heron
i just use default 80% as a baseline
daring heron
but if im simming with 80 and comparing with 85 then no wonder
crimson charm
had 82, and 83% on my last two Fyrakk kills, which incidentally are my first two kills as Arms
hazy flower
so realistically 85 could be the deal
crimson charm
80% if you stand in fire, 85% if you dodge fire
exotic kestrel
crimson charm
I did die in P1 on my last kill
gaunt owl
I did die in P1 on my last kill
Skill issue
crimson charm
I won't argue against that, as I did run into another players line
daring heron
ok i get 254k with 85% corrupting, troll is another ~600, then the rest is mythic augury/stat redistribution i guess
latent moss
what is taiste's sim
crimson charm
TFW Mythic Augury is a 1k dps loss. :(
crimson charm
496
latent moss
hmm
daring heron
i actually don't know how to make 496 augury a dps inc yet
daring heron
i've thrown it in to top gear but it's like -300 compared to pip
daring heron
maybe i just lack the pieces to make it work atm
latent moss
probably
crimson charm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2q8MwnqAx5odzVAJvPAvfR I mean, this is what I get when I just sim my different trinket options
And droptimzier puts both Pips and Augury at a 1-1,3k dps loss
gaunt owl
Hitting the right stats sux
The DR is so annoying
My bis sim can go to 255k if i get either pip or auguy 496
clever crag
Wtf is this yellow thing on the sim
latent moss
expert mode
crimson charm
Got a few extra setting put in, so I can make a few things work for testing
balmy agate
Any news on the leggos in Season 4?
latent moss
Got a few extra setting put in, so I can make a few things work for testing
i couldnt sim all gems
but you could make lariat sim neutral with sf
and maybe consumes are wrong
idk if u want crit/haste with that neck
food
and howling rune with all that haste
crimson charm
👍 Saving me the time to sim it myself. :)
latent moss
🙂 i took ur string and saw all of those trinkets
man im jealous
252 with 483 pips and 483 signet
:xdd:
crimson charm
I've also got 2 socket items in bags, so I can swap to a 489 ring, and another belt as well
Quite sure that's another 300-500 dps
latent moss
should prob swap to that ad ring
latent moss
and then try to recraft the crafted ring
i think u have to keep the crafted ring
or not
idk
crimson charm
🤷♂️
outer holly
You absolute lucker
crimson charm
Gonna go with 489 mirror for Fyrakk this week
latent moss
pips is just
crimson charm
For that P3 fun
latent moss
Gonna go with 489 mirror for Fyrakk this week
honestly you could push 255k with the augury
now u justh ave to make lariat work
need to gain crit somewhere else thats the thing
crimson charm
Need to check Lariat with various crafted stats
And then a better cloak to replace the crafted one
latent moss
ye
crimson charm
I wish there was an option in Raidbots to require 2x Embelishemnts
Would cut the amount of profiles it creates by a lot, when simming different embelishment options
gaunt owl
Cant you lock in one embellissement
vapid jolt
just abuse blue silken lining
latent moss
Would cut the amount of profiles it creates by a lot, when simming different emb...
ye
even at 16 mil
i fill it pretty fast
crimson charm
Yea, I could, but it would still try to sim Bracers + Normal Neck / Normal Cloak
When I want to check between Cloak and Lariat
vapid jolt
on the bosses its good you get like 60%uptime
abstract vale
what's a cd
latent moss
cee deez
vapid jolt
twust in the activeness of the uptime
crimson charm
One thing to keep in mind with BSL is that, generally speaking, the phases where we deal extra damage / want to use CDS, are phases where we also take more damage
boreal quartz
Tldr get spellward on cd
crimson charm
Take Smoldy for instance
vapid jolt
sick of the doubters
abstract vale
crimson charm
When in doubt, just use Sporecloak
untold trench
If sporecloak got its absorb un-nerfed
it would be a solid pick again
Maybe for s4? Who knows
Not everything must be a DPS gain
crimson charm
Or the shield neck embelishement
abstract vale
some new consumes would be cool
boreal quartz
Or the shield neck embelishement
That thing is so based
It should have a shorter cd
abstract vale
dps pot is like 6% str atm
crimson charm
Choker of Shielding, got a 447 one in my bags
abstract vale
crimson charm
Consumeables always gets 'worse' in the late parts of an expansions
untold trench
But why tho - just throw out new recepies, ya know
outer holly
Or the shield neck embelishement
I'm still praying for the return of Prydaz one day
crimson charm
I don't dissagree, but I'm just saying how it's been in the past. :)
crimson charm
Hell, I'm most likely the person who's used the most different consumables this expansion
Try finding anyone else who've used all of the phials this expansion!
untold trench
Did you use the jumpy potion?
crimson charm
Jupp, used it for Azure Vaults, or whatever it's called
untold trench
mah man
boreal quartz
Try finding anyone else who've used all of the phials this expansion!
Have you found a use for the feign death pot
crimson charm
Throwaway alts for splits
outer holly
Have you found a use for the feign death pot
That ridiculous in-combat bug that won't let you mount until you log out proccing in NO
midnight kraken
Take Smoldy for instance
just get enough avoidance to where you have 100% uptime during intermissions
crimson charm
Is that an Arms or Fury log?
If it's Arms, I'll concede that it's quite impressive!
midnight kraken
fury could probs do same as arms with my avoidance + reflect aswell
midnight kraken
this was just enrage up no defensives or anything
latent moss
crimson charm
I still hold that BSL is a bait embelishment
abstract vale
yes
midnight kraken
I still hold that BSL is a bait embelishment
if your not cheating like me for sure 
crimson charm
Jesus..
latent moss
holy
boreal quartz
Just need an avoidance lego now...
bleak fog
Does it matter if we start with avatar or bs first?
rare kite
yes
bleak fog
So you start with? 🙂
rare kite
avatar
bleak fog
Goodie
I cant find an openerguide for big aoe anywere.. Probably blind ><
But like charge > TC > TR > WB > Ava brrrrr some gcd > bs
Something like that?
rare kite
think he's running 2 bs coz of his earlier question
bleak fog
Yeah shall you not?
bleak fog
😄
rare kite
it's preference, more st vs more aoe. when i did m+ i preferred 1 bs
if you're running 2 bs then opener would be charge tc ava roar wb globals til hurricane bout to run out then bs
smoky parcel
Hello, i have a question about rotation...during colossus smash in pure st do i spam slam over overpower to maximize rage spent and so empower more test of might?
halcyon breach
You don't play differently with Test of Might, just follow the priority as normal
If it means you cycle MS -> OP -> MS -> OP for the entirety of Colossus Smash, then you'd do this even if you wouldn't get a massive Test of Might as a result
smoky parcel
ty
shadow ibex
If it means you cycle MS -> OP -> MS -> OP for the entirety of Colossus Smash, t...
thanks i hate it
smoky parcel
if i read correctly overpower>slam even if i'm capping rage
halcyon breach
yes
smoky parcel
ty, i'll do some more practice on the dummy
halcyon breach
The priority is basically Sudden Death > MS > OP at 2 charges > OP at 1 charge > Whirlwind > Slam (if Crushing Force is talented > Thunder Clap > Slam (if no Crushing Force)
Just follow this
ionic reef
The priority is basically Sudden Death > MS > OP at 2 charges > OP at 1 charge >...
Isnt MS always ahead of SD in the APL ?
halcyon breach
It has never been like this to my knowledge
If it's changed then I've not been made aware of it
ionic reef
@gaunt owl
latent moss
sd>ms
ionic reef
Its ahead on mine but havnt changed it for a while, i think it was an upgrade to MS>SD
halcyon breach
Can't say I've fiddled with the APL myself
latent moss
its ahead
halcyon breach
But I doubt it's any meaningful difference
ionic reef
Was he talking about execute phase ?
latent moss
idk
ionic reef
I filled in between
halcyon breach
It was in relation to general priority that I just dropped
dire hinge
Its ahead on mine but havnt changed it for a while, i think it was an upgrade to...
this seems out of date 🤔
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/dragonflight/profiles/Tier31/T31_Warrior_Arms.simc
dire hinge
|(buff.sudden_death.react&dot.deep_wounds.remains&set_bonus.tier31_2pc)
if DW exists and your'e wearing 2 piece or higher
daring heron
yeah SD proc takes prio of p much everything
dire hinge
^ yeah, it's like your super duper priority in single target
ionic reef
maybe i cant read huh
gaunt owl
there is more than one condition
for SD
but yeah the 2nd one make it cast it before MS with our current TS
ionic reef
this seems out of date 🤔
https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/dragonfli...
I mean
My APL sims 300 higher than this
gaunt owl
i need more leech
dire hinge
300 sounds like margin of error 😅
gaunt owl
My APL sims 300 higher than this
the one you have is the same i has
ionic reef
300 sounds like margin of error 😅
could be
ionic reef
yo thats hot
halcyon breach
Imagine being a tertiary abuser
ionic reef
Narcissus users 
latent moss
halcyon breach
Only tert I got is speed on my Augury
daring heron
Imagine being a tertiary abuser
i bought speed helm and avoidance boots, lucked with everything else
latent moss
leech from belt and signet
gaunt owl
omg the SPEED
latent moss
9% leech actually
halcyon breach
i bought speed helm and avoidance boots, lucked with everything else <:okayge:91...
Wish I had gold to throw away for tertiaries
daring heron
i even dropped plainsrunners for health enchant
didnt feel like i needed it anymore
oh yeah i also bought speed ring
gaunt owl
you could be at 136%
dire hinge
haha all good, they're kinda dense
halcyon breach
Conditionals in the APL can be a bit wonky to read if you don't know what you're reading exactly
gaunt owl
maybe i cant read the condition <:sadga:869134702970273812>
the second line for execute you see is there to make sure you use it without any tier set or with weird ass talent
ionic reef
and second one is to not loose juggernaut buff
ionic reef
So if Jugg buff not fading next gcd, you MS no ?
hazy flower
stupid
dire hinge
So if Jugg buff not fading next gcd, you MS no ? <:keks:936231610850897992>
thats one of the 3 conditionals yes
ionic reef
Yeah its always not that simple huh
gaunt owl
i didnt cook the line so didnt check it in details
but its pretty much always sending it with SD
dire hinge
in plain english, it basically reads:
Press Execute if:
Juggernaut is currently active and will fade on the next GCD
OR
Sudden Death is currently available AND Deep Wounds is applied AND you have 2piece T31 equipped
OR Sudden Death is currently available and Rend is missing AND you have 4piece t31 equipped
what are we trying to figure out
dire hinge
yeah the TLDR: press it if you can
dire hinge
what are we trying to figure out
nothing really, just outlining SD conditionals in the APL
ionic reef
But i like MS 
ionic reef
And hate SD
latent moss
im sure riku and revvez dont think this hard
revvez knows everything already
ionic reef
MS gets stronger if you SD 😉
DEPENDS
hazy flower
im sure riku and revvez dont think this hard
there's a whole quiksilver scene in their minds every time an SD proc flashes
smoky kayak
the second line for execute you see is there to make sure you use it without any...
you need a certain amount of those lines to take care of fringe cases or sims break down - not everyone (in fact a lot of people) aren't simming with full gear or even best talents
it's a whole lot easier to make one apl that runs one build very well, but then you're going to have errors out the ass when everyone else tries to use it
gaunt owl
yeah the failsafe line
smoky kayak
Fyr'alath is a good example, the original line was literally "just send" and adding conditionals very slightly reduced the sim in some situations, but led to gigantic increases in others
gaunt owl
535 ilvl for lego
ionic reef
fury gonna giga scale
for once
smoky kayak
not talking about major priority changes, ofc - certainly sometimes several months into a tier after gear has inflated and everything you come to realize there's an improvement to be made by flipping OP and Slam or whatever
teal fossil
7 tiers and 2 expacs
gaunt owl
yeah for me same
smoky kayak
pretty high there, though augury has never been end-all-be-all for Arms
ionic reef
255 hey
gaunt owl
troll racial can get it higher
ionic reef
pretty high there, though augury has never been end-all-be-all for Arms
Sad statement for a VERY RARE
Its not even that good for other specs too
smoky kayak
There are a few specs that really like it
ionic reef
Had better results on my ret with Embersoul
smoky kayak
but they also made a concentrated effort to not have everyone go for the same very rare drop like previous tiers, because it caused a lot of drama
daring heron
can be kinda happy we dont need it cause it's such a contested trinket
plenty of good options for arms
smoky kayak
the whole "very rare" thing is kind of a lose-lose situation all around, whether everyone wants them or not
daring heron
at least it's just 1 mega contested trinket instead of 2
smoky kayak
not everyone used it either though
ionic reef
God bless
smoky kayak
I mean anyone could use augury (or one of the other two trinkets) too, but not everyone does, so it's not that different
I don't think it needs to be very rare at all, it's just a trinket
ionic reef
Yeah Trinkets/Cloak i can get behind that, but what about weapons other things very rare
just because they have an effect or smth
Its kinda weird
daring heron
i never got 457 sark cloak last season
ionic reef
Same
smoky kayak
I didn't either, I got a heroic one lol
daring heron
no health was a big drawback tho
latent moss
can be kinda happy we dont need it cause it's such a contested trinket
PIPS MY BELOVED
ionic reef
PIPS MY BELOVED
MINE
latent moss
I WANT PIPS SO BAD
daring heron
ye i was stuck with a normal ilvl one too
smoky kayak
honestly, the no stam felt fine for War, but that is why a lot of other classes didn't take it
daring heron
yup
latent moss
483 pips still pumping
smoky kayak
Even on Sark, Fury felt incredibly survivable
smoky kayak
SR the big explosions, ER the P1 raid damage
daring heron
fury was payphoning sark while everyone else was melting in p1
ionic reef
SR the big explosions, ER the P1 raid damage
Ofc, but you dont have the 10% Dr 😄
- the stam for second 2hander
ionic reef
When Mage/Hunter can die at 14
smoky kayak
I felt it on Arms
Yeah, Arms certainly had it worse than Fury, but even Arms wasn't falling over the way other classes were
ionic reef
Impending Victory moment
ionic reef
Yeah, Arms certainly had it worse than Fury, but even Arms wasn't falling over t...
y its still warrior
We aint no ret
But we still have it easy
smoky kayak
Impending Victory is so nice, I feel like I should use it more but my health never drops below 60% on half the fights 😆
smoky kayak
I played around with Bitter Immunity a lot last tier too, but it was kind of a waste
it feels nice having the emergency heal, but you never really get around to using it
smoky kayak
and the cooldown is way too long for just a 20% heal
ionic reef
I played around with Bitter Immunity a lot last tier too, but it was kind of a w...
I played with it a lot, and it never had the impact i was looking for on prog
smoky kayak
One of the ideas I pitched, though I don't think will get taken, is reducing the cooldown if it only heals (so, for example, 1.5m if it doesn't cleanse anything, 3m if it does)
ionic reef
For such a place in the tree
gaunt owl
i forgor it existed
ionic reef
it never reached impending victory impact
ionic reef
i forgor it existed
a lot did
smoky kayak
Impending Victory is borderline broken lol
ionic reef
Its not that hard to take even
ionic reef
It is
latent moss
:xdd:
ionic reef
I have no sham
gaunt owl
better than a healthstone
ionic reef
I press that shit like crazy
smoky kayak
It was actually a DPS increase for Arms for a long time too, though back then the talent was harder to take
ionic reef
Spell Reflect too
latent moss
sr is crazy as well
ionic reef
It was actually a DPS increase for Arms for a long time too, though back then th...
I member when Harmstring was one
smoky kayak
that's happened several times yeah
latent moss
20% magic dr on a 25
ionic reef
@gaunt owl cook harmstrink condition
ionic reef
We need to be sure
latent moss
cancelling sd is enough tech for next season
smoky kayak
SR is hands down the best thing they've added to Warriors in a long time
ionic reef
God
smoky kayak
and the improvements made to it in DF were just cherry on top
ionic reef
SR is hands down the best thing they've added to Warriors in a *long* time
It last even when you reflect smth now
such improvements
smoky kayak
Yeah, that was the DF change
ionic reef
So good
smoky kayak
but even in SL it was crazy good
ionic reef
i'm at 100 cast per night
9/9 one try everything
SR spam
Its broken beyond recognition
I wish warriors used IV/SR more often
even Dstance
smoky kayak
DStance is criminally underused
ionic reef
People stayin in zerkstance without the boss attackable tanking hits without it
👁️ i see you
Blaming it on healers
smoky kayak
I still want them to find a way to salvage Ignore Pain - remove the rage cost, increase the cooldown, maybe nerf the value a little bit
idk if that makes it too similar to SR, or ruins it for PvP, but the current state of it gets glossed over by a lot of players because of the percieved damage loss
latent moss
idk just make it
like shield of vengeance
big absorb
dbts shouldnt be a 2 minute imo
ionic reef
I still want them to find a way to salvage Ignore Pain - remove the rage cost, i...
Rage cost gone => broken spell imo
latent moss
nah it wouldntm ake it broken
shadow ibex
give indomitable
smoky kayak
like shield of vengeance
Yeah, that's pretty much what I described by "remove the cost and increase the cooldown"
shadow ibex
done
latent moss
u would just macro it into everything
shadow ibex
give indomitable
latent moss
Yeah, that's pretty much what I described by "remove the cost and increase the c...
ye i meant sov like
latent moss
the size of the shield
smoky kayak
Rage cost gone => broken spell imo
with the current cooldown yes - you have to balance it, whether thats in the cooldown or the resource cost
ionic reef
more health and heal on rage
Sounds like leggo bracers from legion
shadow ibex
exactly
ionic reef
We really dont need that kind of tankyness
shadow ibex
IP with no rage cost is just spell reflect
smoky kayak
Yeah, why I said idk if that makes it too similar to SR
ionic reef
Pretty much
shadow ibex
give indom
smoky kayak
honestly I'd just remove the talent entirely at this point and put in a better one
shadow ibex
10% health and heal on rage
smoky kayak
but IP is still really useful for PvP
ionic reef
honestly I'd just remove the talent entirely at this point and put in a better o...
Spiteful Serenity moment
hazy flower
DStance is criminally underused
people dont want to trade small amounts of damage for dr
then they die
smoky kayak
p much
hazy flower
and lose much more dam
ionic reef
Bear stance moment
smoky kayak
doesn't even matter what the actual cost is, just the implied loss of damage is enough to turn people away from it
ionic reef
I mean, Prots still use Battle Stance
latent moss
40 rage is a lot in execute when u are struggling to sit >40
smoky kayak
Only way to counteract that is to remove the cooldown, so you can instantly dance in and out the way we did in MoP
But then it pulls a complete 180 - instead of never being used, Warriors are now stance dancing everything, on top of all the other stuff they're doing in combat, which hyper inflates the APM
So yeah... it's not an easy problem to solve
smoky kayak
exactly
and expert players generally love high APM, more is not really a bad thing
but everyone else hates it
hazy flower
I mean, Prots still use Battle Stance
ye but prot doesnt need the d stance because it passively heals while doing damage
most of the time I d stance when in really big pack
ionic reef
and expert players generally love high APM, more is not really a bad thing
but e...
I love high APM, but there is 2 stance on it
hazy flower
for a brief while
smoky kayak
I really wish they'd kept a 3rd stance though, just swapping battle/defensive is 💤
dire hinge
colossus stance
timber lynx
I thought glad was still in the game ngl
ionic reef
Gladiator stance 👀
dire hinge
(it only makes you 5% larger)
ionic reef
Lemme use a shield
hazy flower
cata berserker stance
dire hinge
Lemme use a shield
you can use one now wdym
ionic reef
Dragon Charge
smoky kayak
Glad ain't ever coming back
ionic reef
I know it was such a weird one
shadow ibex
prot war is pretty much glad stance
timber lynx
It was
shadow ibex
you even have off the global rage dump
smoky kayak
I mean Glad was great, it was literally 5.4 Fury again
shadow ibex
IP is heroic strike rn for prot
smoky kayak
Focused Rage
ionic reef
filling those empty globals
dire hinge
it's over, i can finally log off
timber lynx
Focused rage 
shadow ibex
gz
smoky kayak
but its that same APM problem, oGCD inflates everything
smoky kayak
I mean it's basically the same button
ionic reef
Does the same
smoky kayak
damage comes out a little different, but gameplay wise it's the same impact - you're now juggling on and off GCD together
ionic reef
IP was this
smoky kayak
yep
gaunt owl
<@229446360284397570> cook harmstrink condition
NO
ionic reef
So its not coming back
smoky kayak
so either you need a hefty cooldown or to be not GCD locked, neither of which people really like
ionic reef
Or just 180 and rework the hell out of it
gaunt owl
Hamstring trigger a half GCD iirc
ionic reef
yes
smoky kayak
<@229446360284397570> cook harmstrink condition
it almost came up a few times in Dragonflight, early ToM shit was one
ionic reef
Yep i heard
RET/DH/rogue took it
When Monk/Warriors were there
suffering from SL
waiting for something to eat
ionic reef
But Wings of Liberty for Ret !!!
And mass grip leap
Never returned
I kinda want it now
timber lynx
Aoe kidney shot
hexed saddle
actually so funny that mass grip leap just disappeared after they said they wanted to bring it back
ionic reef
actually so funny that mass grip leap just disappeared after they said they want...
They did said that !
ionic reef
Why do we keep trusting Diablo makers
ionic reef
Would fit for RP reasons
latent moss
yell at others
ionic reef
You put down banners and yell
latent moss
ye bannerlord warrior
ionic reef
Where do i sign
smoky kayak
actually so funny that mass grip leap just disappeared after they said they want...
cause they couldn't fix the bugs with it
timber lynx
Having banner would be baller
hexed saddle
sad..
timber lynx
I would to
gaunt owl
my utility
smoky kayak
for awhile there you could grip raid bosses with it
smoky kayak
it actually had a ton of bugs
daring heron
mop banners were cool
gaunt owl
i need it
hexed saddle
i never got to play with it
daring heron
wasnt there a speed one
hexed saddle
but thats hilarious
ionic reef
mop banners were cool
Necro banner
smoky kayak
mop banners were cool
get out, lol
timber lynx
Ill miss u necro banner….
daring heron
i enjoyed the banner intervenes
ionic reef
Aug evoker before the time
smoky kayak
Banners were cool if you were the only warrior and if your group didn't care how you used them
ionic reef
i enjoyed the banner intervenes <:keks:936231610850897992>
Feels like a kink
daring heron
Banners were cool if you were the only warrior and if your group didn't care how...
ya this is true
smoky kayak
but the tech in high end guilds became
"stack 3 warriors, rotate banner & shattering throw"
ionic reef
We are here to help if you need
daring heron
i dont rly want it back but i enjoyed it back then
smoky kayak
and sorry, but using your CDs for other people instead of yourself sucked lol
daring heron
utility banners are cool tho
smoky kayak
if they made like a personal-only banner that you could do fun shit with, I'd be all for it
but group banners are just repeating the sins of Windfury and PI
ionic reef
How dare you say its sins