The outlaw aoe button > fury whole toolkit
#arms
clever crag
Ah thats fair, thought hes beating THE execute spec on a fucking outlaw
On a long fight
thick kelp
execute in m+ kek
gaunt owl
He wont have everything to make it really juicy
clever crag
execute in m+ kek
With this shitty version of jugger its as good as it gets lol
boreal quartz
Ah thats fair, thought hes beating THE execute spec on a fucking outlaw
Me when i spec bi in m+
Fuckin yapp man cba
clever crag
I thought jugger build is bis in all m+ now
thick kelp
kek
clever crag
And fob/BS is for the noobs
boreal quartz
I thought jugger build is bis in all m+ now
Single bs is generally better
proud plover
your spec depends on your group comp
astral yarrow
proud plover
18 rise zero fuggs given, jugg build only thing ive done this week lol
your spec wont matter until 23+ keys tbh
astral yarrow
boreal quartz
18 rise zero fuggs given, jugg build only thing ive done this week lol
That's like 215k on details right
Kinda mid innit
proud plover
yeah somthing like that
boreal quartz
250 is neat in rise
For like an 18
Idk my weeklies are all whack and have me solo the key 
proud plover
i spent 15 mins making the group to make sure me and the healeer (*my guildy) didnt have to worry about afflicteed lol
boreal quartz
trolling an 18 for weekly
5 warrior weeklies or no ball
proud plover
and by trolling i mean just zero fucks given
boreal quartz
Weeklies are such rancid content but i should do like 3 or 7 more today
boreal quartz
Im raiding but no vault cuz extendo
proud plover
one of my guilkdies that left for a 'ce' guild this tier, they 350 pulls into tswift and can only hit p2
boreal quartz
But i also legit need 1 item or so for BIS bar mythic brand which i get on reclear
proud plover
kinda glad im no longer pushing anything
dry swift
Sup fam. Whst was the general consensus on the colossus hero talents?
boreal quartz
5% size
proud plover
archi has some info in pins, as long as its damage is tuneed correctly not a bad thing
boreal quartz
Depends on slayer and ability implementation
proud plover
if 5% size also increased range would be amazing
boreal quartz
Can be very cringe
dry swift
archi has some info in pins, as long as its damage is tuneed correctly not a bad...
Thanks
quasi torrent
Raid is fun bar tindral prog
tindral was fun stop coping
inner shore
@barren hill Fan Boy inc^^
halcyon breach
He was fun for the first 90% of the pulls
But the last 10% it got a bit dragged out
boreal quartz
tindral was fun stop coping
My guild was horrible so it wasnt fun
barren hill
quasi torrent
<@218724492925468672> Fan Boy inc^^
please download english client i beg
halcyon breach
Schlächterin
barren hill
halcyon breach
Slaughterer
quasi torrent
i want to gouge my eyes out
inner shore
please download english client i beg
NO NIEMALS°° NEVER^^
quasi torrent
get a grip
quasi torrent
her???
zealous rampart
<@218724492925468672> Fan Boy inc^^
based night elves
obtuse copper
Give
halcyon breach
mine
obtuse copper
I will steal her
frigid lava
YOOOOOOO 8hour maintenance?!!
finite mantle
I place a 100 hour maintenance curse on your server
frigid lava
What am I going to do with my life next 8 hours.
frigid lava
I just woke up
tardy crag
quasi torrent
3% holy moly
swift crown
Mega based or
sacred zodiac
i need this
clever crag
Tf is that
olive nest
Insider trading
hazy flower
turbid epoch
out of curiosity how much haste are some of your arms warriors not trying to push for any stat just wondering
halcyon breach
Like 40% last I checked
brisk sedge
Banezi doesnt have cute anime pfp. My day is ruined
finite mantle
quasi torrent
Banezi doesnt have cute anime pfp. My day is ruined
gg
daring heron
anime pfp or not, banezi still cute
minor gust
Banezi profile pic #6789
frigid lava
what game yall play when wow is down
teal fossil
the gym
minor gust
currently Last Epoch
halcyon breach
anime pfp or not, banezi still cute
no u
kind dune
Yo I have like 36% on both haste and crit. Should I raise either of them up more or is that good?
halcyon breach
Sim yourself with top gear on raidbots, and use whatever that says
you don't need any specific amount of any stat
kind dune
Yes captain 🫡
quasi torrent
what game yall play when wow is down
not down on the good region :3
olive nest
out of curiosity how much haste are some of your arms warriors not trying to pus...
Fully buffed in raid I’m like 41/40/22/20 iirc
Also might be gaslighting havent looked in a while
gaunt owl
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903026852145278990/1006324696368820235/...
ban evasion
boreal quartz
Im not renaming these
teal fossil
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903026852145278990/1006324696368820235/...
DANG
hes the goat
gaunt owl
what is that spec you playing ?
ornate eagle
it was planned to be arms but key ended quite quick
so then fucked around in it
and found this
gaunt owl
thats the kind of leap only doable because you has the !heroic leap macro
wtf is that change from blizzard
wtf
ok thats a great change
misty iron
holy moly
ornate eagle
this m+ change does nothing for people who are doing +20s or higher with ease currently
this m+ change is only for people who are progressing below weekly keylevel max
gaunt owl
its better for pushing fast into the season too
dont have to do 5 keys before getting a 20
ornate eagle
correct
it just speeds up how quickly you can get your max key
but beyond that nothing changes for us
misty iron
unless I misunderstand, shouldn't it be the same basically? You can get a +20 key if you could clear a 30 last season
ornate eagle
well in 11.0 you dont have a key
so you start from 0
in s4, sure you start with a slightly higher key
misty iron
well in 11.0 you dont have a key
well yeah, but that's a bit further away
fresh spire
Easier entry to gearing faster
No Fort or tyrannical bur get the pay out of a plus 10 on m0 with loot from all bosses
Epic win if you ask me.
teal fossil
There’s no downside
Except that the first key you do in an expac is slightly harder
That’s it
ornate eagle
no
latent moss
so for people who arent gonna be doing new 10s
ornate eagle
it makes keys below 20(10) easier cuz its only 2 affixes
ornate eagle
and like the graphic shows
frigid lava
fuck
ornate eagle
the learning curve is better
frigid lava
the trink any good? "mirror of fractured tomorrows"
ornate eagle
mirror sims good but i wouldnt pick it from vault if i had actual choices
serene glacier
unless I misunderstand, shouldn't it be the same basically? You can get a +20 ke...
well they double the rating you gain from advancing one key level higher, so people will like that
minor gust
one day Mythic augury or smoldy trinket all I still need to be done with this game
latent moss
so it goes 6 more ilvls no?
frigid lava
mirror sims good but i wouldnt pick it from vault if i had actual choices
It's either the trink or the neck
I currently have lariat for neck
gaunt owl
so it goes 6 more ilvls no?
should be 6 ilvl normally yes
gaunt owl
removing the dead range of +2 to +10
hazy flower
@ornate eagle @latent moss going dht 30
pray
got dht 30 and dht 29
both are rio keys
so I have technically 3 tries for a rio key
hazy flower
no 2 wars allowed
1 warrior is not allowed
I'm just there
a passenger
cant do any affix
just there to top the details
ornate eagle
smh
untold trench
Need to get em witches and bolts
big dam
Did you taunt steal the tankbuster on 4th?
untold trench
And no luck on last?
hazy flower
"care reflects"
u shouldn't reflect last boss
it's massive troll
you're cleaving your allies
untold trench
Leap away, it fine no? Or am I trolling my poor lads
hazy flower
idk
haven't tried
not worth the effort
rather save reflect for aoe dam or deflect the adds
untold trench
Dunno, think I been targeted by it once
But, if the reflected friendly team dam works tho - worth
swift niche
How good is the Augury trinket? Was checking the logs and A LOT of people are using it but when I sim mine, its always a -2k dps loss 🤨
untold trench
Sims show the avg, but it highrolls or lowballs
untold trench
when it goes high, it goes high
untold trench
Also, aug got a cool animation going on
swift niche
should I still get it? the other option would be a myth belt that I dont have yet (mine is a hero)
untold trench
You can get mythic track Aug?
hazy flower
are u playing fury
its giga for fury
if you're just playing arms then it's not that important
swift niche
I'm arms, not fury
untold trench
Also great if you dabble with prot, for m+ weeløoes
Well, I would take aug, and just craft a belt. If the belt doesnt have perfect stats
A trinky in the bank is always nice to have
swift niche
I'm having a PRETTY DAMN BAD LUCK with trinkets lol hate when this happens...
this Augury was the first trinket in my GV in 5 weeks of playing this warrior lol
5 weeks of doing heroics and losing on roll
strange perch
Augury will likely beat that signet on anything less than a 5 min fight
Which if youre only doing heroic is all fights except tindral and fyrakk
And all m+
livid cloak
👆
umbral sluice
how do I use bladstorm properly on tree boss in WM to "immune" soul thorns?
during cast or after getting it on me?
craggy oriole
before it goes on you
umbral sluice
thx
gaunt owl
its a gamba
umbral sluice
so during cast
craggy oriole
np
good luck on gamba
umbral sluice
cheers
gleaming cosmos
Gnarlroot trinket sim bait?
latent moss
this Augury was the first trinket in my GV in 5 weeks of playing this warrior lo...
not even that bad
i havent seen a single trinket
in how many
14 vaults?
actually nvm i saw hero track augury (normal augury)
once
and mirror once
wait nvm i got might of the ocean
smoky kayak
what a story
gaunt owl
not even that bad
many twist
prisma heart
would a tank needing n taking the first augury ur raid has seen drop be lame
latent moss
depends really
i personally wouldnt give augury to a tank until my dpses have it
idk how much dmg is augury
for tanks compared to dps
steep trench
Is the tank a beast? do they carry the raid?
prisma heart
no
astral yarrow
Our ret still doesn’t have augury cause tanks and tank alts got prio over 
astral yarrow
He malds every week while I’ve been passing up augury after augury on rogue
oak quartz
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24072151/dragonflight-season-4-dungeon-changes-ahead
latent moss
smoky kayak
im sure that augury on dps is more
yeah idk if I'd given it to a tank first but we don't get enough drops to make that decision anyway
steep trench
Our ret still doesn’t have augury cause tanks and tank alts got prio over <:bedg...
Giving gear to alts over mains is toxic af.
swift niche
Guess who just lost 3 signets...
modest moss
Giving gear to alts over mains is toxic af.
That would be an insta leave.
astral yarrow
Giving gear to alts over mains is toxic af.
We do split clears
So 2 mythic clears a week
So alts do need gear
halcyon breach
How about giving some gear to rerollers to promptly stop playing on said new character
Clueless
(Or their old character a week before they reroll)
astral yarrow
How about giving some gear to rerollers to promptly stop playing on said new cha...
It’s called “the George package” here 
astral yarrow
At least he’s a good player that doesn’t take 8 weeks learning the spec he rerolls to
halcyon breach
Surely no one in Cya does that
finite mantle
glueless
latent moss
day 1 of asking blizzard to make a warrior healer
remind me to say the same thing tomorrow
astral yarrow
Surely no one in Cya does that
Less so I guess
latent moss
is the dreaming equipment chest
account wide
can i buy it on warr
and send to other char
ok i can
halcyon breach
Less so I guess
Would be surprised if it was a case there
wicked aurora
first remove parry
Real
strange perch
is the dreaming equipment chest
The flightstone thing?
latent moss
ye
strange perch
Yeah you can send it to other toons
If its got that light blue font that usually means you can send it elsewhere
indigo vigil
mirror is better than might of the ocean for arms? both 489
silk spade
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/903026852145278990/1006324696368820235/...
Based
olive nest
mirror is better than might of the ocean for arms? both 489
Absolutely not
Take might
strange perch
mirror is better than might of the ocean for arms? both 489
Depends on fight length
For keys id say might so you have it kore often
For a fight that lasts a very short time or exactly 3 min and 20 seconds, mirror is prolly better
prisma heart
What race r u and what r ur secondaries
latent moss
tauren 42/43/27/13
but as always
sim urself
dont chase specific numbers
sim yourself and the bot will tell u
what to take
dire hinge
yeh, depends a lot on what you currently have access to, so things will naturally shift around since there isn't deterministic gear
nova marsh
So like
dire hinge
Dark Iron Dwarf: 40/39/24/14, for context
nova marsh
Is m+ getting buffed again?
dire hinge
Is m+ getting buffed again?
it's going through a rework, but things should roughly scale the same.
From a gearing perspective, the item that stood out most to me is that you can get GVault gear on myth track from 8s (equivolent to 18s now), but the 3rd affix wont appear until 10s (20 equivolent). So folks can get myth gear while only dealing with 2 affixes if they wanted to. Technically this would be a slight nerf
latent moss
i wouldnt call it slight
ngl
3rd affix
are the evil ones
bolstering
etc
raging
nova marsh
So this is what they're experimenting in this season
nova marsh
That's honestly kinda dissapointing
nova marsh
I thought the gearing for keys was fine as is
dire hinge
same climb, just condensed, and a higher starting point for gear because half of the mythic+ keystone levels weren't really useful or impact difficulty that mu;ch
latent moss
i mean this is targeted for people
who struggle to do 18s week one
2-18 is a big ass climb
if u ask me
2-8 not at all
hazy flower
I think
its a good change
2-10 being literally same shit
is stupid
and pointless
nova marsh
Thats actually true
latent moss
i mean 1) it doesnt affect me in the slightest except making alts easier
- it helps a lot with new players
hazy flower
it'll bring some variety to each key level
latent moss
where keys actually hurt
latent moss
2-10 being literally same shit
^^^
hard agree on that one
its kinda stupid how those low keys
are so ez
nova marsh
Idk how to feel about this
dire hinge
you're welcome to form your own feelings around it 👍
nova marsh
I do however agree with buffing up below m+
latent moss
its definitely a positive change
dire hinge
it's not going to be overly impactful, other than "numbers look different", gearing will be mu;ch the same as it always is: "do the highest key you can"
nova marsh
That's actually completely positive. Before this those difficulties were literally pointless
Outside of like the first 2 weeks of an xpack
dire hinge
exactly.
dire hinge
Heroic = Mythic 0 (current)
Mythic 0 = Mythic 10 (current)
No timer on M0, no affixes (not even fort/tyran), remains queable
kinda spiffy
latent moss
the evil part is dungeons being giga overtuned
nova marsh
Oh it also makes heroic loot from vault not a massive waste of a slot.....I hope
latent moss
my guess is that
m0s will be a lot harder
week 2
of expac
but tbf that depends on dungeon tuning
nova marsh
I think TWW is too far for me to pass judgement
dire hinge
on the bright side, no timer to exhaust at least
dire hinge
granted, i doubt a lot of folks in here will step foot into a m0 after they get their key 😅
latent moss
i cant think of a single tank except maybe brewmaster that gets globaled there
dire hinge
just gotta rotate your camera 180 mid charge so they can instantly backhit you
keep the healer guessing
umbral sluice
Perma sweeping strikes, bl, cr, 20 % rally and baseline condemn
hazy flower
I dont need fucking utility
I need to have oneshot execute
whenever my target enters 10% I can oneshot it
1min cd
bigass hit
umbral sluice
Make weapon grow in size and add stacking dmg buff for every kill with execute
ocean wyvern
Playing the bladestorm/hurricane build in m+ atm with uproar, anger management etc, the cooldowns desync like crazy, is the general idea to just zug zug everything out soon as its off cd
smoky kayak
Make weapon grow in size and add stacking dmg buff for every kill with execute
Crow Feast glyph, but on every single attack
umbral sluice
Haha never heard of that glyph before
boreal sparrow
what build do you guys use during tyrannical weeks?
umbral sluice
Playing the bladestorm/hurricane build in m+ atm with uproar, anger management e...
Depends a lot of context, what dungeon, what pull is coming up etc
stiff rune
I could be wrong so someone correct me if so, but I’m pretty sure you just send roar whenever it’s up with cs as long as the pack isn’t about to die, and just hope that you’re not waiting so long in between pulls that you hold it for too long
dreamy saffron
can't decide if it's even worth crafting the legendary at this point if it does drop for me 
next season is so soon
latent moss
you will prob be upgrading it
noble sleet
Hey guys what should my stats be looking like roughly
dreamy saffron
did they confirm if you will be able to?
simple ingot
`Anybody had problems with WA for mythic fyralkk intermission assigning two people at the same place? (We have same version reinstalled etc.)
strong tendon
be careful you dont have too many people hard assigned to the same place every time . that messed up ours
like 1-2 hard assigns max
latent moss
did they confirm if you will be able to?
no but its most likely going to be the case
like they did with hunter bow in sl
simple ingot
be careful you dont have too many people hard assigned to the same place every t...
thank you sir
olive nest
they should add a healer warrior
shouts at your cells to regen faster
hazy flower
did u pull whole area after 2nd boss @daring heron
found it was pain
on raging w/o evo
daring heron
did u pull whole area after 2nd boss <@235809563490779136>
we split it into 2
hazy flower
yeah makes sense
rare kite
another obligatory flex
5 io away from rank 1
fresh spire
Both own 
daring heron
You're the best arms warrior I know
daring heron
found it was pain
hazy flower
yep
super ass
I think I wasted 4 mins on that pull when I tanked a 27 this week
except I went all the way through
grand idol
Spinners are the worst
There a weakaura to notify me when spinners are active?
Or, do they even have a buff or something to track to tell a weak aura?
hazy flower
32 is super nice ngl, you've been handicapped whole season by playing with an aug
verrug will go back to his roots
rare kite
verrug played aug for 1.5 seasons, then goes on break. that's what happens when you play aug, it fries your brain
quasi torrent
Or, do they even have a buff or something to track to tell a weak aura?
they have a buff yep
outer holly
showing those mobs whos the real spin to win boss
quasi torrent
anda has been summoned
didn't even see it tbh
ornate eagle
we love raging spinny boys
strange perch
big overall esp considering there's no aug/monk debuff
What build
rare kite
bladestorm
summer shore
we all love raging
magic canopy
What build
probably BS with warlords
fresh spire
we love raging spinny boys
cerulean lava
Quick question: is augury kind of bait for M+? I have a myth mirror and heroic ember. Unfortunately missing a might of the ocean.
proud plover
Quick question: is augury kind of bait for M+? I have a myth mirror and heroic e...
no its actually good
18 ad
489 augury + 489 ember
ornate eagle
I'm a pips+rageheart enjoyer
prisma heart
i'm a branch believer 🌲i love branch 🙂
fringe moon
Does ember buff augury damage?
proud plover
"lego wep is bad" -tards
using it correctly = good - the fact it can be used badly says alot about it tbh
gaming the dot for its damage and holding the on use so you get all the stacks before things die
deft girder
proud plover
Does ember buff augury damage?
vers buffs all damage including leggo and other trinkets
molten crane
how much dps do you guys maintain on target dummy? no lust / no execute
outer holly
ST or MT?
molten crane
ST
outer holly
Purely self buffed? Something like 180k, kind of hard to gauge without taking exe into account tho
molten crane
i'm 478 but can only maintain like 120k lol. no legendary
seeing if something is majorly wrong with what i'm doing
muted rune
More of a general spec question, but figure i'd ask here favoring Arms. What are the classes/specs that do priority damage? Is it just the high single target dmg dealers?
opal folio
Funnellers
outer holly
i'm 478 but can only maintain like 120k lol. no legendary
leggo is pretty huge, I think how much DPS it provides depends on external buffs to a degree, but it's something like 15k over a crafted weapon based off my sims
opal folio
Some specs can have their main ability proc more readily the more dots they have on enemies, etc
So you mark all the little ones, and send all procs on the main target
Doing damage they won’t do otherwise in pure single
molten crane
cough sub rogue *cough
muted rune
so like a spriest would dot things and then hit main prio target with DP
Makes sense for firemage
hazy flower
More of a general spec question, but figure i'd ask here favoring Arms. What ar...
fire mage, sp, sub rog, fury, destro
in non giga high keys havoc can also do good prio dam with essb
proud plover
arms too with rend giving tier procs
teal fossil
i'm 478 but can only maintain like 120k lol. no legendary
sim target dummy, and then hit target dummy
and if theres a big gap then theres a rotation issue
smoky kayak
you can set the target to die before 35% with some custom commands
smoky kayak
oh that finally went up
minor gust
PvP training dummy goes to execute range pretty easily could use that
snow flame
The biggest issue I have besides not being able to move is that demolish needs to hit hard like they claim
other wise it's going to feel miserable
I'm still reading what youw rote
I also have some rotational concerns
now that I see you brought up bladestorm
could be back to back hard casting
good write up overall
smoky kayak
Colossus hero spec analysis
https://www.wowhead.com/news/arms-warrior-review-of-colossus-hero-talents-fun-and-friction-338055
TL;DR:
- It lives and dies based on how good Demolish feels, because it doesn't really do anything else
- Being rooted shouldn't be bad if its hasted down to ~1.6-1.3s
- The passives are may be a little too passive - outside of casting Demolish or future spec changes, it doesn't really impact gameplay
- The defensive/utility talents are way better than Mountain Thane - will be interesting to see what Slayer offers
snow flame
Imo slayer should be full glass cannon
smoky kayak
I don't think that concept really works in WoW
smoky kayak
that's why it will be interesting to see what Slayer offers; Colossus offering more defense than Thane makes sense (for Arms and Fury anyway), given that Fury was already tankier, but Slayer is available to both
snow flame
yeah It will be intersting to see if they buff the abilities that the classes share
which is most CD wise
but fury's execute has been lacking
for a while
smoky kayak
I mean we already know its Execute focused, will almost certainly have some AoE benefits as well (perhaps bleed) - I would imagine it'll be reminiscent of the S1 Fury/S3 Arms bonus in some way
smoky kayak
I would not expect it to do a whole lot of things, considering that... well none of the trees do. They're all pretty focused
snow flame
it'd be cool if warrior had a bleed like that
snow flame
I would not expect it to do a whole *lot* of things, considering that... well no...
I feel like some do quite a lot but maybe it's because I dont' play the specs
I feel like frostfire and paladin ones do quite a lot compared to warrior
smoky kayak
I don't think the concept really fits War, if anything I'd expect something like the S3 Arms bonus - you get more Executes and your Executes have some AoE interaction (maybe bleed, maybe just direct damage)
snow flame
yeah I just have some concerns when it comes to aoe for exe
minor gust
Mark my words S3 arms tier will be in slayer
snow flame
but that's all tuning I suppose
smoky kayak
frostfire feels like it does a lot because it replaces other spells, but I don't think it's actually that transformative
Templar Pal is virtually the same thing as Mountain Thane
snow flame
Yeah I think the more specs we see that don't share similar cds like warriors do avatar the better they will be
like frost and fire mage don't share the same abilites like fury/arms
smoky kayak
Idk what Avatar has to do with it, I think it's highly unlikely that Slayer will have anything to do with Ava
snow flame
Which I personally wish they would change
I'm not sure what they could replace for spear to make arms have an actual ST talent
maybe condemn
smoky kayak
Spear wasn't really designed as a ST talent - Arms just has way more synergy with bleed effects
snow flame
yeah I get it, it's just kinda weird
smoky kayak
Arms actually has quite a bit of crit synergy too, even more with Colossus... the real answer may just be nerfing Thunderous Words
snow flame
do you like what spear offers
like we haven't even taken one of the nodes of spear
once
this entire xpac
I forgot the name of it
smoky kayak
yeah, because Arms does a crap ton of bleed damage
hexed saddle
piercing verdict wooo!!!
snow flame
yeah pv that's it
smoky kayak
oh yeah piercing verdict is garbo, I've been harping on that since beta
*Piercing Challenge, now
I'm not even sure that's Spear's fault, it's just a bad talent
snow flame
I just don't feel like spear really feels like a warriro talent maybe I just have a personal dislike for it
smoky kayak
its biggest benefit is increasing rage generation... of a cooldown that's exclusively used at the time when rage is most flooded
smoky kayak
I just don't feel like spear really feels like a warriro talent maybe I just hav...
I think it's more the latter - aside from bitching about having to stand in EM (which is more the fault of EM than Spear itself), there's nothing inherently wrong with the talent
And you could argue that chucking a spear at someone plays into the whole weapon master theme
snow flame
Do you know what I mean when I say how the specs feel really similar in terms of saying big cds like avatar, reck, roar?
smoky kayak
I get it, I don't think it's really a great offense though
whatever you put in the class tree is going to be common to both specs
snow flame
Is it my lack of wording maybe?
smoky kayak
whether its avatar or you make up something else
so that problem you're trying to avoid is going to exist no matter what
snow flame
what if you just that's fair I suppose they would need to totally redsign them
smoky kayak
the best case you could come up with for the sake of variety is the one we currently have - Arms heavily favoring one talent (Roar), while Fury favors another (Spear)
snow flame
I think it's more the latter - aside from bitching about having to stand in EM (...
From a lore pov tho when have warriros ever chucked a spear
smoky kayak
but ultimately both specs are going to have access to both - it's not an Avatar/Spear/Roar problem - it's an unavoidable byproduct of a shared class tree
coral crescent
i mean it isnt even to say that fury heavily favors spear and arms roar. fury swaps depending. arms always roars
snow flame
sorry we're dnacing between two topics here lol
proud plover
can we push to have the size increasee to huge when you preess avatar or cs
smoky kayak
From a lore pov tho when have warriros ever chucked a spear
I mean... what lore? has anyone ever used a spear in the game? Yeah I'm pretty sure it's come up a few times
But what I actually said was it fits into the "weapon master" theme
smoky kayak
i mean it isnt even to say that fury heavily favors spear and arms roar. fury sw...
Fury swaps more now than it did at first, but yeah I agree - though again, if anything the most straightforward solution to that is probably just nerfing Thunderous Words
coral crescent
ya fair
snow flame
I mean... what lore? has anyone ever used a spear in the game? Yeah I'm pretty s...
I'm saying in terms of wow lore, from a class design perespective and fantasy would there not be better options than spear
maybe it's the animation that throws me off
maybe if the spear came down from the sky
coral crescent
banner
smoky kayak
I mean it's a combination of things; Arms doesn't really have super concentrated burst to fit into the EM window, but a big part of it is that Arms has a lot of innate bleeds, which T.Words benefits
smoky kayak
I'm saying in terms of wow lore, from a class design perespective and fantasy wo...
I think you're reading far too much into this
snow flame
oh I def am
keen canyon
"A Colossal Uncertainty" I like that 😄
smoky kayak
the statement was simple: pulling out a weapon whether its a spear, axe, or headless chicken on a stick fits into the concept of a "weapon master"
smoky kayak
whether or not that's the best possible embodiment of that concept is kinda irrelevant
snow flame
the statement was simple: pulling out a *weapon* whether its a spear, axe, or he...
that's fair
smoky kayak
Like could you come up with a better concept than Spear? Sure.. I'm pretty sure we could come up with better versions of every talent if we tried hard enough
opal folio
If you stretch your imagination and consider mannoroth a warrior, he wields a spear
smoky kayak
I mean it is a polearm
opal folio
True
snow flame
I suppose my bias is I just want spear gone lol regardless or anything
smoky kayak
I'm sayin, Warriors in WoW have been described as "weapon masters" for a very long time, but it's a theme that has never been very well expressed
snow flame
give me the blood of my enemy instead
snow flame
still no leggo
sorry boss man
smoky kayak
Pulling out various weapons and chucking them at the enemy, whether it's a spear, an axe, or whatever, does play into that concept though
proud plover
still no leggo
how many heroic+ kills you at
snow flame
yeah I don't feel like a weapon master
smoky kayak
kinda like how the Diablo Barbarian just conjurs up a giant mace and slams someone's face in with it
hardy olive
how many heroic+ kills you at
i skiped 2 week kill week 1
smoky kayak
IMO, and ofc this is just my take, Warriors would be a lot better themed if they leaned into that idea more
hardy olive
or 2 cant rmb
smoky kayak
So yeah, I don't mind spear from a perspective of theme
honestly I like Thunderous Roar a whole lot less in that sense
snow flame
I think they shoujld make specific huge weapons only warrior can wield
that would be even cooler
smoky kayak
Eh that kinda falls under tmog and cosmetics such more so than gameplay
coral crescent
yeah dude imagine like having abilities which contextually changed based off of which type of 2h you had and you swapped em out during your rotation 
id freak
smoky kayak
yeah dude imagine like having abilities which contextually changed based off of ...
lol, I definitely wouldn't go full D4 barb with it, or bring back weapon specializations
snow flame
also if we can wield any weapon why tf do I need smf
to transmog one handers
or use them
whatever
coral crescent
lol, I definitely wouldn't go full D4 barb with it, or bring back weapon special...
haha yeah im getting too excited
smoky kayak
but like, just brainstorming, if your rotation was like
- mortal strike - pull out and axe and hack into the enemy
- cleave - pull out a sword and sweep across
- impale - pull out a spear and stick them with the pointy end
like that could be a pretty cool theme that fits with the "weapon master" concept
coral crescent
snow flame
yeah that would bang
smoky kayak
irregardless of what actual weapon you have equipped ofc (I would presume you'd still use that for autos, but again this is just ad hoc brainstorming)
hardy olive
guys when do we use leggo with burst or right when finish burst
pliant gust
I always felt like warrior was so limited from the engine and fast combat speed. It's hard to feel weighty or have satisfying melee attacks
Doesn't mean they shouldn't try
smoky kayak
I always felt like warrior was so limited from the engine and fast combat speed....
a lil bit yeah - I think that's why they really want this demolish ability to be a channel
snow flame
guys when do we use leggo with burst or right when finish burst
TLDR check pins
doesnt really matter
you'll lose like hunders of dps
They're really hyping up demolish
so it better hit like a truck
that's all I gotta say
smoky kayak
"A Colossal Uncertainty" I like that 😄
thanks, I actually spent quite a while on that header
Initially it was "A Colossal Mistake" but that was a little too negative 😆
pliant gust
a lil bit yeah - I think that's why they really want this demolish ability to be...
It's also why I kind of like it being a channel. Let it be cool and hit like a train and have a bit more pvp counterplay
smoky kayak
yeah... if they actually manage to deliver on that
snow flame
Arms picks up a train and throws it at their enemy
pliant gust
Yeah its a big if but hoping
snow flame
new talent
smoky kayak
I have a whole section about that in the pinned writeup - it's hard to really sell "big hit" because the biggest hits tend to have the smallest damage contribution
proud plover
problem is the pvp rotation is going to bee shockwave/stormbolt > demolish and if it hits likee a truck people will complain that it kills them
smoky kayak
and at the end of the day, it's hard to get excited about the Fatal Mark doing 3% of your damage, even if it all came from a single hit, when Mortal Strike and Execute each deal 22% of your damage
untold trench
so it better hit like a truck
And truck as in huge dam numbers, not "mathematical a DPS increase"
hardy olive
i hope the slayer is more to executing type warrior
snow flame
And truck as in huge dam numbers, not "mathematical a DPS increase"
blizz just doesn't usally deliver well with "hitting hard"
unless it's mage
proud plover
i feel slayer will be based around SD gameplay
smoky kayak
almost certainly
snow flame
I'm sure they will have some sort of health increase like condemn
proud plover
like rip this tier and put it in slayer talents
snow flame
wher eyou can execute at 100-80
smoky kayak
oh god no rng proc game play plz
well it makes sense in contrast to Colossus, which is fairly static
though Mountain Thane is pretty RNG, I have a strong feeling they're gonna rework some of it
untold trench
I rather it hits harder, than in a bigger range
smoky kayak
depends on how they do it too though, RNG isn't always rare - S1 and S3 bonuses did pretty well in that regard
by simply giving you more Execute procs
if they really wanted to, they could definitely engineer it in a way to be more consistent too
untold trench
Pretty sure there would be more enjoyment in reinforcing the moment of glory. Than putting the power into procs and more% range
smoky kayak
like when condemn was meta
It didn't really hit all that much harder then, it was just used a lot
snow flame
Rogues have giga execute
proud plover
slayer shares with fury right?
smoky kayak
that's the issue with "hit hard" that I explained above
- damage is relative to time; the more you use something, the weaker it generally has to be; the less you use it, the stronger it can be, but it will also tend to be a smaller overall damage contributor
pliant gust
Condemn spam was so satisfying with the visual and sound lmao
snow flame
It didn't really hit all that much harder then, it was just used a *lot*
hmm yeah bad example I should say I want execute to hit like rogues do
also execute is never really brought for prog
smoky kayak
- so if you want something really strong it's probably going to end up <5% of your damage done
- and if you want something to be a really high % of your damage, then it's probably going to be something relatively mid that you use very frequently
proud plover
imagiee if slayer has bm kill cleave for execute
smoky kayak
there are exceptions of course, but generally speaking
snow flame
LIke you never heard someoen say this xpac "bring warrior it has execute"
ok I found out how to word it
I want execute to be used on like a 5-10 second timer but actualyl crank
like be massive
smoky kayak
LIke you never heard someoen say this xpac "bring warrior it has execute"
that's not entirely true, but this expansion hasn't had a whole lot of "need execute" emphasis outside of RWF either
so you can also blame encounter design for that
pliant gust
Soul Reaper, Arms edition
smoky kayak
I mean I don't think I've heard anyone clamoring to bring Rogue or DK "for execute" much this xpac either
I do agree, I think it's dumb that basically everyone has an execute these days though
pliant gust
They clawed some of it back then started readding it again
smoky kayak
Well, a big part of it is because people complained a lot when Warriors were really focused on Execute - Legion is a really good example
untold trench
The fools
smoky kayak
there is absolutely a point where having too much of that focus feels bad
pliant gust
I kind of miss when Aff and Arms wrecked everything in execute. Too much can feel bad but it felt like a neat identity
snow flame
I mean I don't mind my class only doing damage in execute
proud plover
"Your executes also split the targets skull, causing your bleeds to tick 50% faster for 6 seconds"
snow flame
as long as it's number 1 at that thing
untold trench
By a good margin
shadow ibex
im just sick of this BFA 2.0 gameplay
smoky kayak
either the fight doesn't support it (Sylvanas), the mechanics don't support it (Avatar of Sarg), you die before ever reaching Execute so you were basically a 3rd tank the whole fight, etc
snow flame
im just sick of this BFA 2.0 gameplay
this isn't BFA 2.0 from wish
I WISH this was like bfa
lacking the borrowed power
shadow ibex
this isn't BFA 2.0 from wish
do all your dmg in last 35%
coral crescent
dumb question are there any classes which deal equivalent damage to arms at and past 35% rn?
smoky kayak
ngl, as fun as the legion Legion execute memes are, I'm so fucking glad Juggernaut isn't a real thing anymore
shadow ibex
mash execute 15 times in a row
smoky kayak
and a lot of others who played through those times are too
snow flame
mash execute 15 times in a row
we do that now
pliant gust
either the fight doesn't support it (Sylvanas), the mechanics don't support it (...
Marksman's double execute mode I thought was clever, too bad the tuning on the spec ain't great
shadow ibex
yea thats what im saying
snow flame
only diff is it does no damage
shadow ibex
its just BFA 2.0
shadow ibex
yea cosmetic rage bar for 3 seasons
smoky kayak
idk, maybe there's a way to make it something you spec into rather than something your entire being revolves around, but I'm tellin ya there's little that's more frustrating frustrating than being the "execute class" that never actually gets to Execute
untold trench
I enjoyed the potential, the unlimited moment of glory. It was fun. As I did bot focus on the "loss" of never achieving the max
shadow ibex
gj blizzard on making a whole ass class resource ass
smoky kayak
eh the rage spending thing is kinda superfluous tbh
snow flame
idk, maybe there's a way to make it something you spec into rather than somethin...
also execute sucks in AOE when it's built onyl aroudn execute
like if you have no other builds
proud plover
gj blizzard on making a whole ass class resource ass
this + giving them a huge dps buff by spending resources
snow flame
so when it's botched it's kinda gg
smoky kayak
I mean it's kinda dumb, but on the list of Arms' top 10 biggest problems, "cosmetic rage bar" is probably somewhere around #50
shadow ibex
this + giving them a huge dps buff by spending resources
very intelligent people at work obviously
teal fossil
Not like fire mage has no resource and it plays fine
snow flame
ok but the thing is we have to play ToM
which wnat sto spend rage
so get rid of TOM
and I'll be happy
and INFTK is uselss asf
tired pilot
solid article
snow flame
in raid
tired pilot
good read
shadow ibex
i mean saying fire manages nothing
is kinda reductive
idk anything about fire but i assume they manage procs or something
or dots or combust or w/e
smoky kayak
It's pretty easy to see how we ended up here
- people didn't like being too starved for resources to use GCDs
- they didn't like being dependent on windfury
So they ramped resources to the point we can fill GCDs and don't care about windfury, and now people are pulling the surprised pikachu face
shadow ibex
as opposed to follow this prio all the way down to 35%
pliant gust
idk anything about fire but i assume they manage procs or something
Procs and frequent long casts
shadow ibex
at which point you can care about the rage bar for like a 2% gain
snow flame
I really don't mind not being able to spend rage but TOM makes me hate not being able to
proud plover
i like the current cosmetic rage bar because i can press the button always and never have to wait for a global
tired pilot
some easier than others (COUGHCOGUHret) but still ya
shadow ibex
i mean we dont even manage EP stacks and shit now but thats just dumb tuning
snow flame
I coudl give 2 fucks if I could spend rage if we didnt' have a talent dedicated to it
pliant gust
I'll take Arms over the convoluted mess Rogues have become lol
proud plover
but it removed the skillful plays of leap+charge and rage management mini game
smoky kayak
every spec has "something" to manage
tbf Arms does have things to manage, even if Rage isn't the most improtant one - it's also not completely flooded either
tired pilot
personally i think arms should slow down a bit and make resource matter. but im bias on that since i think resource managament should be part of every spec
smoky kayak
but is all a combination effect of strong overpowers, huge stat inflation this expansion giving us big returns on Anger Management, which results in high Reck up time, etc etc
tired pilot
tbf Arms does have things to manage, even if Rage isn't the most improtant one -...
yeppers
gloomy jetty
personally i think arms should slow down a bit and make resource matter. but im ...
Imo Arms already feels too slow
I can faceroll as fury
smoky kayak
This is probably the fastest Arms will ever be, outside of Corruption-like shenanigans again
pliant gust
Arms feels slow compared to the crack level of speed some other melee have become
tired pilot
Imo Arms already feels too slow
i mean consider that fury is supposed to be the fast spec (right?)
pliant gust
But it feels fine when you compare it to other more reasonable melee and to casters
snow flame
what arms is meant to be it's pretty quick with no borrowed power
smoky kayak
nothing wrong with liking a fast spec, but variety is good - they shouldn't all be Fury levels
tired pilot
i know me and alot of sin rogues weere trying to slow sin rogue down alot so its not outlaw 2.0
gloomy jetty
i mean consider that fury is supposed to be the fast spec (right?)
True, arms feels the same as FDK to me. Just doesn’t hit as hard
snow flame
arms was always the "slow" spec
shadow ibex
arms right now is nowhere near slow
tired pilot
exactly arch, variety is always good for the health of the game
smoky kayak
i know me and alot of sin rogues weere trying to slow sin rogue down alot so its...
yeah, I mean there's also such a thing as too slow (WoD Arms), but gameplay variety is good
shadow ibex
you are GCD capped
those GCDs dont always feel good but you can always press something p much
tired pilot
just gotta get to that sweet spot for arms like for sin
pliant gust
Yeah that's the thing. It's "slow" but it's not even slow. It just feels slow compared to things like Fury, Enhance, and Rogues
tired pilot
but that requires some spec refocusing and as we all know, not everyone will be into it
gloomy jetty
Arms should get different buffs or debuffs depending on the weapons they use
Supposed to be “masters” of all weapons
teal fossil
They removed that specifically
proud plover
no please dont make a weapon mini game
tired pilot
that sounds like "not fun"
teal fossil
It was in beta
gloomy jetty
Lmao
teal fossil
No one liked it
shadow ibex
only way that could be fun is if was a talent point you put points in
and not actually ur weapon
teal fossil
I remember blunt instruments and sharpened weapon
gloomy jetty
only way that could be fun is if was a talent point you put points in
Like with fury and the 5% one hand talent
And still never gets used
teal fossil
Like with fury and the 5% one hand talent
All warriors have that talent
gloomy jetty
O
gloomy jetty
Yes
proud plover
i remember weapon specs and it kinda sucked looting a wapon and having to respeec because that weapon you looted was better
shadow ibex
ill settle for putting OP on our auto attacks so all 3 specs have access to a way to put their filler on auto swings
teal fossil
Yes that’s there to “compensate” for the lower stats in the item
smoky kayak
Arms should get different buffs or debuffs depending on the weapons they use
na, they've tried that a few times before and it just doesn't play well, even when the effects are purely utility/defense
proud plover
imagine you love sword spec and you loot leggo axe
teal fossil
imagine you love sword spec and you loot leggo axe
Imagine if axe wasn’t a dps up because sword spec was tuned higher
tired pilot
which i feel like is fine for overal spec health
minor gust
idk, maybe there's a way to make it something you spec into rather than somethin...
Would be kinda cool if Arms tree got a rework to support two seperate builds one with execute focus and one with outside of it focus similiar to how fury is with BT vs RB
pliant gust
Enemies that die from Fatality or Execute should explode. Spec now perfect.
proud plover
imagine if sword spec was only dps up cause it gavee you more rage to spend on tom
teal fossil
Would be kinda cool if Arms tree got a rework to support two seperate builds one...
They tried but those don’t sim well
So you play the one that does sim well
tired pilot
Enemies that die from Fatality or Execute should explode. Spec now perfect.
based based
proud plover
masters of all weapons = increaseed range or some shit
minor gust
true just thought the idea could be neat with 1 focus OP or something and the other execute
proud plover
simple and powerful with no mini game
smoky kayak
Would be kinda cool if Arms tree got a rework to support two seperate builds one...
I do think Arms needs a bit more variety, yeah - while it has a couple builds this season, they all do basically the same thing +/- Bladestorm
Biggest difference right now is the FoB build, but it's kind of a dying build at this point
Arms has a bit too much of "every build wants the same talents and plays the same buttons" syndrome though
minor gust
Yeah Arms has a ton of potential variety in talent builds but none really change gameplay
smoky kayak
exactly
gloomy jetty
Enemies that die from Fatality or Execute should explode. Spec now perfect.
In lore Arms warrior hit an enemy until they stop moving… and then hit it some more just to be sure. Let’s just add the ability to do extra dps to dead targets 🤣🤣🤣🤣
tired pilot
i love joining classcords
smoky kayak
even going full Bladestorm... it's basically the same as a non-Bladestorm build, except you press a new button every 45s
tired pilot
im learning so much from just reading yall type
minor gust
I loved the builds in Vault in S1 Broodmother was such a good fight to play around with as arms
proud plover
im learning so much from just reading yall type
did we tell you to sim it yet?
minor gust
Going BS with all execute talents too
pliant gust
even going full Bladestorm... it's basically the same as a non-Bladestorm build,...
dress sword go spinny
minor gust
or just going pure ST
tired pilot
did we tell you to sim it yet?
as if i dont know lol :3c
smoky kayak
I loved the builds in Vault in S1 Broodmother was such a good fight to play arou...
Idk if Vault had that many different builds, but it did have the X.5 patch land in the middle, which changed up gameplay quite a bit
proud plover
fury has been simple build/spend for a long time tho
teal fossil
Yeah
Fury doesn’t have as much variety as one may think
The s3 tier forced the variety onto us
shadow ibex
the BT/RB change up that fury can do is probably cool to some ppl
smoky kayak
anyway, I gotta go find something to eat - go read and leave a comment on my article, cause idk what the hell this is supposed to mean 🤔
teal fossil
Yeah but again its filler 1 vs filler 2
pliant gust
I don't main warrior but I always come back to arms as my melee alt because it feels fluid and not so convoluted
shadow ibex
stripped from all tier and stuff you have 2 choices at least
vs arms where ST path is very clear
naked fury war right out the box could go anni could go onslaught
naked arms war must go EP/fatal for ST
teal fossil
Or unhinged or hurricane
minor gust
Idk if Vault had that many different builds, but it did have the X.5 patch land ...
they were more minor talent changes than actual build changes like Sennarth and Kurog you were swapping into imp SS/EB Dathea you swapped into WB/IFTK and broodmother had the more drastic change potential. Meanwhile Abberuss you didnt really change anything
teal fossil
they were more minor talent changes than actual build changes like Sennarth and ...
That’s more because of the fight, no one is considering improved SS or swapping to wb as a brand new build
Thats as much of a new build as taking meat cleaver on fury
minor gust
yeah ik its all the fight but it just shows that Arms tree does have decent potential to be swapping things around on each fight
even if it doesnt realy change gameplay
teal fossil
That’s just adding a bit of cleave
It’s there so you have that illusion of choice
When you can do this entirely baseline on sl arms
Without any swap
Speaking of that, holy shit sl arms actually had 1 build
There was 0 variety
proud plover
arms has options to shift its damage profile tho
it doeesnt do more damage overall but you can fine tunee wheere that damage goes
teal fossil
Yeah that is an arms niche
proud plover
st/2t cleave execute, addpad, burst aoe with decent st
minor gust
True you can choose from having big mass aoe vs more prio dmg
teal fossil
The only cost of mass aoe is being one of the top 5 classes that loses the most from going aoe in the game
minor gust
yee
smoky kayak
The only cost of mass aoe is being one of the top 5 classes that loses the most ...
honestly idk if that's a bad thing, I kinda hate when every class has the same capabilities
smoky kayak
kinda hard to balance, but I always liked the idea of Arms being very low-cleave centric while Fury is more AoE
teal fossil
Agreed
proud plover
Hmm... shadowflame vs. lariat
lariet with full sockets is great for m+
minor gust
Just makes you think should every talent tree be able to support 2 destinct playstyles
minor gust
yeah
teal fossil
Like someone said you can play annil on fury even without current tier
It’s just dogshit
proud plover
most have a pvp and a pve type build, then st/cleave builds - then utility choices that effect both
minor gust
its mostly what the current tier dictates what build you play that season
smoky kayak
if all you care about is performance, then there's never really any "choice"
unless they're highly obfuscated
proud plover
my performance to stay alive > actual dps!
minor gust
Ethical Dan
smoky kayak
I mean, remember the game is being built for a much bigger audience than just the hardcore min/max crowd
teal fossil
I believe rogues generally have insane amounts of variety in builds
proud plover
im also the reliable one to do raid mechanics
leap > soak > charge and lose damage while our 'brain dead' boomies die to shit
minor gust
thats a hell naw to me my guild knows just leave me alone ill consitently do the big dam
tired pilot
ya alot of people especially i nclass cords underestimate how big the casual player base is
idk if yall had to fight for a specific tier set
latent moss
I believe rogues generally have insane amounts of variety in builds
meh
tired pilot
but alot of specs did and it was usually "whats number is best" vs "what feels best for casuals"
minor gust
idk if yall had to fight for a specific tier set
To be fair fury chat in discord was just as divided as the votes were
latent moss
assa plays the same in raid and m+
sure you could play the aoe crimson tempesy
and do healer dmg on st
teal fossil
They lose about as much as arms
teal fossil
Man nerfed to the ground
latent moss
because of pi
shame
fun spec
i guess outlaw has 2 builds in m+
that are competitive
proud plover
i guess outlaw has 2 builds in m+
blade flurry and blade flurry?
teal fossil
Kir and the other one
That escapes my mind
But yes they use blade flurry to cleave
latent moss
kir ho
teal fossil
Rogues had like 4 viable leggos in sl
latent moss
dying while playing kir makes u want to die irl
teal fossil
That was cool
But they were all some variation of stealth gives damage
And then celerity which was entirely passive
outer holly
i remember weapon specs and it kinda sucked looting a wapon and having to respee...
Oh man, back when respeccing cost you like a weeks worth of farming in gold
teal fossil
Outlaw always played like fury but with more nuance
latent moss
well subterfuge
proud plover
i havent touched my rogue since the reecent rework
latent moss
its really fun
proud plover
might go fuck about on it in tw
latent moss
and a lot easier than people make it out to be
proud plover
and a lot easier than people make it out to be
as long as heekili teells me what to press it will be fine