Quite often when I pug hc stuff people just whisper me when im on war or dh about stats like
#arms
hazy flower
Or trying to do too elaborate things while failing basic rotation
The squeeze 2 wws in cd kind of things
quasi torrent
just press what lights up 😔
hazy flower
And hope it crits
exotic kestrel
The squeeze 2 wws in cd kind of things
hey, thats me!
idk why my brain struggles with the simple thing of fitting 2 ww's into a cs
oke big math brainers im failing
does having 50% crit chance result in lower deviation than having 15% crit chance? (genuine question, no meme)
quasi torrent
well
thats a bit of a loaded question, if you actually run some numbers (this could be modeled by a binomial distribution) you may find that the standard deviation (and since this is generally >= 1, also the variance) of p=0.15 is smaller than the one for p=0.5, for larger numbers
what does this mean? The way i just put it, not a lot, frankly.
You cant be ignoring the mean in this, and lets say we take
n = 250, p=0.15
we get a mean of 37.5 (just p * n), with a STD ~= 5.64
5.64 / 37.5 ~= 15%
Compare this to
n = 250, p=0.5
-> mean = 125, STD ~= 7.9
7.9/125 ~= 6%
the relevant shit is the % part for how this game actually functions, as STD just means that ~68% of your trials will land in the are around the mean (1-sigma), and if that area is smaller
exotic kestrel
what does STD stand for?
quasi torrent
standard deviation
exotic kestrel
ah ok
daring heron
wow anda
ornate eagle
exotic kestrel
Learning math stuff in gaming channel pog
ornate eagle
Mixed with common sense
exotic kestrel
ok big basic question
quasi torrent
its mainly math
quasi torrent
bro i just plugged number into the calc, i do not recall how to actually get the sigma for the binomial distribution
exotic kestrel
ohh Pog
coz im looking up how to calc standard deviation
and i got kinda scared of ur brain for doing it in this time
quasi torrent
oh the variance is just
n*p*(1-p)
and
σ = sqrt(Var)
so yeah
exotic kestrel
those are numbers and letters yes
exotic kestrel
No all memes aside i used to be somewhat decent at math but havent done anything with it in years. so im big dum dum now
ty for explaining !
quasi torrent
ive not had shit to do with stats for a while
ill probs have to get useful at it again aaa
steep osprey
what does STD stand for?
Sexually Transmitted Diseases, they didn't teach you this at school?
exotic kestrel
steep osprey
whole sierra
well
thats a bit of a loaded question, if you actually run some numbers (this co...
Ur such a nerd
quasi torrent
Ur such a nerd
I am aware thank you
whole sierra
❤️
sacred zodiac
king andus explaining stats to the noobers
finite mantle
daring heron
maybe next time somone asks for best stats i'll point them towards anda instead of raidbots
quasi torrent
oh hell nah
rotund ferry
Imagine beginner entering WoW and getting to learn that he needs to ask machines to tell him how to dress every morning before the raid
I don't even know how does it feel to play wow without addons anymore
tepid star
Hello boys !
As war arm, what's the good timming to use fyralath cd ?
fresh spire
Crit just start telling people random stats
Every time different
Though always drop vers first. Help them stay alive
split laurel
Hi. Why do we hold avatar for CS if the avatar buff duration extends beyond the CS debuff on the enemy in situations where you can cast it earlier while TOM is up and still have the damage buff through CS? Do we not potentially lose an avatar cast during the fight this way?
ornate eagle
Hello boys !
As war arm, what's the good timming to use fyralath cd ?
On pull, on p1 intermission shield, when all adds are stacked during p2 intermission, and then just on cd
gaunt owl
Hello boys !
As war arm, what's the good timming to use fyralath cd ?
Pretty much on CD, outside the burst of Avatar prefered
ornate eagle
I personally only hold avatar for when boss is close to execute and I won't get another avatar during execute
Maybe that's wrong idk
gaunt owl
Hi. Why do we hold avatar for CS if the avatar buff duration extends beyond the ...
They should naturally lineup, its holding only a bit as losing a cast is the worst
ornate eagle
Outside of that I just send cds on cd
gaunt owl
But yeah fight length should be the reason you hold it or not
As having it for execute is smart
Nom is Arms main
daring heron
i simmed my fingers on raidbots and now they play the game for me
o i accidentally deleted my own msg gg
latent moss
I personally only hold avatar for when boss is close to execute and I won't get ...
same
volcoross type beat
40% avatar is back
i want the reck from ava to help me with rage gen
when spamming execute
latent moss
ye
daring heron
same principle in m+ too
if you're only gonna have 1 more set of cds on a boss, you might as well delay that set until execute (as long as key level is high enough for your cds to be ready again for next pack)
daring heron
exceptions apply ofc but just generally speaking
latent moss
cause that way u will have it for multiple overlaps
hazy flower
if you're only gonna have 1 more set of cds on a boss, you might as well delay t...
^ you keep in mind the downtime so even if you will have 30sec of cd left after you kill the boss you still have to travel to another pack
swift crown
bro i just plugged number into the calc, i do not recall how to actually get the...
Noober
Imagine not knowing the calculation
hazy flower
volcoross type beat
Igira at 55% but half the group is arms warriors
latent moss
hazy flower
I made a mistake
Furst run
I underestimated the power of x10 executes
And I sent my avatar on cd
Because usually most dam is on pull with bl etc
daring heron
I made a mistake
you also made a mistake when you started a 5 warrior key with a single weapon 
daring heron
true
daring heron
5 dps when?
maybe this week? afflicted is whatever right?
daring heron
i always think im lagging when afflic goes off and i didnt notice
hazy flower
I used bs 2 days ago
And 2 afflicted went off
I was bladestorming for 15 seconds
Felt like I took that talent
steep osprey
i always think im lagging when afflic goes off and i didnt notice
Afflic going off does nothing for outlaw xd
exotic kestrel
i always madge at my team when afflic or incorp goes off. warrior privilege.
fringe moon
Imagine having to wait 14 weeks for the Lego and augury…only to have your rat alt shaman and priest get heroic augury with speed and blossom from their first vault.
sleek meteor
simple wren
any cheat sheet on which dungeons thats better for arms or fury?
(if youre doing mid keys like mostly 20s)
dire hinge
for 20s honestly just play whichever one you want to, spec doesn't really limit performance at that range 🙂
you may find you like one spec, or different builds, on different dungeons but honeslty it shouldn't matter there
gleaming cosmos
any cheat sheet on which dungeons thats better for arms or fury?
You could probably argue that no dungeon is more beneficial for one or the other depending on circumstances. Fury will provide more priority damage and in general be more survivable then Arms can be. But if you're group needs some oonga boonga mass AoE Arms will provide that better then Fury can. Just so many factors can go into it.
I'm still fairly new to this game but it feels like this season in particular really favors having a prio class and then bring in mass AoE.
paper gulch
In what case scenario do you feel Fury has more survivability than arms?
simple wren
alright thanks guys
gleaming cosmos
Standard page for higher keys generally seems to include shockwave for utility meaning you have endurance training + a second weapon providing a much bigger HP pool then Arms. On top of effectively permanent 10% DR due to Warpaint meaning at all times you have access to 25% DR with D Stance. Stronger self healing as well.
teal fossil
The main difference is the larger hp pool
And enraged regen
Both have defensive stance (which is a 15%dr) and both can take shockwave
hazy flower
And both are taking endurance training
10% dr base is also a pretty big diff since seasoned soldier doesnt work on all abilities
paper gulch
HP pool and warpaint are both very strong arguments
Arms survival is very close, at keys +24 and higher, that health pool wont save you if you rip aggro and stand in bad.
and/or.
gaunt owl
IP is bis
teal fossil
you shouldnt rip aggro when you are playing 24s
bro thinks hes somebody
arms doesnt do enough burst damage to rip anymore
its not the shadowlands days
gaunt owl
and they tuned the tank to have better aggro
as some were just having a real hard time
untold trench
you shouldnt rip aggro when you are playing 24s
He said if, not if or not is plausible 
gaunt owl
@wintry scroll https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5cpTHr1DG1VBLiHE7SuJLS you asked for this long ago
i forgor
wintry scroll
<@325375325032677376> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5cpTHr1DG1VBLiHE7Su...
Ty
Is that like max dps u can get as arms
wintry scroll
How
gaunt owl
just need augury 496 and ring swap with some recraft and shit
wintry scroll
I see
gaunt owl
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rEpFQPgndJHYLtT8jwea7t my latest droptimizer
wintry scroll
Do u have a fury set ?
wintry scroll
If arms can do 255 that means fury can go up to 260 ?
wintry scroll
I guess they rank high in parses cuz a lot of aoe bosses
gaunt owl
fight design do have a role in that yeah
Fury isnt even good at padding compared to some class even
quasi torrent
Last I checked peak Fury is like 250k
dn
rugged wave
Fellas, I feel my damage sucks in m+ when I use the Warlord+Bladestorm build instead of Juggernaut. Am I bad, or is Juggernaut really that much better? For instance, I'm usually hovering around 280k dps overall, just did WM where I did 240k
ornate eagle
WCM is in general just a lower overall dungeon
rugged wave
Okay I'll try again in Throne then
ornate eagle
but its all about comfort ye?
ornate eagle
juggernaut is easier to play imo and alot better on bosses
ornate eagle
but generally for raw overall dmg, reck bs should probably do better
rugged wave
I switched my Frostfire legs for Lariat even but I'm not sure if that was the right play
ornate eagle
it is
what matters in keys is prio/boss damage
not who can do the most only on aoe and then afk on bosses
ornate eagle
rugged wave
Guess I'm gonna play my bladestorm next season with season 1 tier
ornate eagle
next season is still a good 10-11 weeks away
rugged wave
Ah so it looks like 9-10 weeks until I get my legendary then
glad pivot
Hmm isn't it mid-late April? Roadmap kinda looks that way.
ashen cloud
If it isn't mid to late April, throw the roadmap away
gaunt owl
no timestamp on those
shadow ibex
buff unhinged
olive nest
parries your CS "No" -Blizz probably
shadow ibex
idk if i would rather it be a convoke that hits with MS/exe cuz then MS/exe crit talents
same dmg ofc
paper gulch
you shouldnt rip aggro when you are playing 24s
Well then i must be seeing things right? “Bro thinks hes somebody” who hurt you bro?
ornate eagle
Hmm isn't it mid-late April? Roadmap kinda looks that way.
we're currently on week 16 of the season
s2 was 26 weeks long
i severely doubt theyre gonna cut s3 short by several months
shy tide
they better do
ornate eagle
why
shy tide
S2 was also too long
ornate eagle
its the best season of the expac so far
dull siren
s1 best.
shy tide
S2 before aug
ornate eagle
also s1 was 6 months long
shy tide
tmy only likes S1 because of cleave spam + bladestorm in acadamy
ornate eagle
balancing was great yeah
shy tide
nothing felt troll
shy tide
this season has been tainted by plate class balancing and aug still existing
all seasons with aug are the worst
gaunt owl
where were you when the Aug happend
teal fossil
i went to play league of legends
outer holly
Anyone have the exe diagram handy?
quasi torrent
i was sat at home watching MDI prep
was tgp bro
fringe moon
anybody know what the spell ID is for the lego debuff? Wanted to add it to my plater, but the 414532 id isn't working
gaunt owl
you wants the dot ?
hazy flower
this season has been tainted by plate class balancing and aug still existing
this season is so much better than .1.5.
aka s2
its uncomparable
fringe moon
you wants the dot ?
I do. I have deep wounds and other dots that show up, so I'm trying to see this one too. I also have the 417138 ID tracked too, but doesn't work as well
gaunt owl
I do. I have deep wounds and other dots that show up, so I'm trying to see this...
use details to have this one you mouse over the dots and press shift iirc
daring heron
this season has been tainted by plate class balancing and aug still existing
i think aug is in a pretty acceptable spot in keys rn
daring heron
still hate them for making me lose trust in logs
gaunt owl
I do. I have deep wounds and other dots that show up, so I'm trying to see this...
414532 i has from details
ornate eagle
this season has been tainted by plate class balancing and aug still existing
im having fun
gaunt owl
you probably messed a settings in there
ornate eagle
i dont get pissy cuz the grass is perceived greener on the other side
🙂
i just play what i enjoy
fringe moon
414532 i has from details
I got it to work. thanks!
ornate eagle
still hate them for making me lose trust in logs
apparently there are still hooks wrong
🙂
daring heron
exactly
ornate eagle
also hooks is why assa was played on RWF instead of sub
hazy flower
when it comes to other classes
ornate eagle
hazy flower
there are SO MANY things wrong
ornate eagle
cuz they looked infinitely stronger than they were
hazy flower
there's a whole github
daring heron
but yeah this season is the usual "im not meta but i can play my class and just be maybe 1 keylevel behind
hazy flower
And I wouldn't be surprised if it was still wrong about some things but it's undocumented
yeah
arms for example is far from meta
but it's still in a good spot
shy tide
@hazy flower not reading taht i said pre .5 😠 ☝️
daring heron
maybe my expectations shifted after what happened in s2
shy tide
and aug is just an abomination
gaunt owl
die aug die
hazy flower
<@325173865175318529> not reading taht i said pre .5 😠 ☝️
never
shy tide
the way it fundementally works is just wrong
quasi torrent
also hooks is why assa was played on RWF instead of sub
wrong
Assa was played cause PI+pre nerf 2min window was just that much stronger.
shy tide
the way it boosts tanks and healers in keys is also cringe
assa was fcking turbo insane
pre nerf
absolutly disgusting
rare kite
die aug die
no, it's prob still the best spec in the game for raid i think
shy tide
aug is a spatial bot for lower ranked guilds
gaunt owl
if played right Aug is the best
daring heron
id imagine the top guilds did extra testing with different comps and compared killtimers
tardy crag
Wtb none fucked logs
daring heron
due to aug log fuckery
quasi torrent
assa was fcking turbo insane
it did look better on logs than it was supposed to
but it was still uhh yeah a thing.
gaunt owl
but if you arent in a top 50 guilds why bother ?
shy tide
you are better off playing dev in a lower ranked guild for raiding
but then fcking spatial exists
so right back to aug you go
quasi torrent
if played right Aug is the best
still is in raid
but even across all top50 theres total 10-15 players playing aug close to optimal.
hazy flower
still is in raid
but even across all top50 theres total 10-15 players playing au...
is andasimp one of them
rare kite
honestly tho, blizzard clearly checks wclogs as well. so hooks not working is a big problem
quasi torrent
and i dont consider myself a top15 aug player
hazy flower
I do not follow andasimps journey this closely
quasi torrent
maybe top30
rare kite
so happy we dont have an aug in the guild
shy tide
aug is turbo cooked and in the same way people using ERT stuff to auto setup timings is also kinda cringe
gaunt owl
Andasimp not even top 15 player
quasi torrent
so happy we dont have an aug in the guild
Ur healers aren't.
shy tide
aug is just an abomination
quasi torrent
aug is turbo cooked and in the same way people using ERT stuff to auto setup tim...
All public assignment WAs are bad
daring heron
i never had the privilege of being buffed by andasimp
rare kite
Ur healers aren't.
that's okay, they just have to heal more
quasi torrent
i just diffed people without those
daring heron
shy tide
aug amplifying overpowered specs is a problem in its own, because it will turn any slightly overtuned class into a giga overtuned class
quasi torrent
that's okay, they just have to heal more
its not about that
its about spatial :3
hazy flower
i never had the privilege of being buffed by andasimp
I had and its because of andasimp that we timed a key last season
shy tide
and then when they nerf the overtuned classes
hazy flower
the anda buff
shy tide
they also nerf the augs indirectly
hazy flower
so far 100% wr
rare kite
its not about that
its about spatial :3
ah
quasi torrent
I had and its because of andasimp that we timed a key last season
The fucking wind key right
hazy flower
correcto
quasi torrent
what's the name again lol
hazy flower
vp
shy tide
totem season icant
hazy flower
[*] sks 2023-2023
rare kite
fuck vortex, worst m+ dungeon ever
quasi torrent
fuck vortex, worst m+ dungeon ever
L take
quasi torrent
i hate vortex but its not even in the same dimension as siege of boralus shit tier
daring heron
i didnt mind vp that much
rare kite
second to last is fun for sure, the trash in that dungeon tho. jesus christ
hazy flower
me neither
daring heron
would take vp over halls of infusion any day
hazy flower
it was pain with pugs sometimes
shy tide
VP's sin is it being too linear and the last boss having the totem issue
hazy flower
but still not that bad
quasi torrent
would take vp over halls of infusion any day
halls would be a better key than VP if last boss didn't have timed phases
quasi torrent
but just phased on 66/33 or 50
daring heron
yep
quasi torrent
(if they're that costly on time)
hazy flower
its all cool n shit on low keys if you can 1phase it or smth
but on high keys when it takes 6-8 or whatever are top runs doing mins to kill
super ass
daring heron
last boss hoi would take so long bc of it
shy tide
iridi is nowhere near close to hoi
quasi torrent
Ye every phase was legit - 90s
quasi torrent
its silly af
shy tide
its longer but feels more fair
hazy flower
I checked highest timed halls last season
daring heron
bosses like 1st boss mists also, omega F tier as keys get higher
daring heron
iridikron is also like that ye
shy tide
signet vallue
quasi torrent
Last boss Eb is also turbo bad
daring heron
yeppers
hazy flower
save cds for add
daring heron
also a 7 min boss on high tyra
hazy flower
oh wait but then you dont have dam amp
rare kite
bosses like 1st boss mists also, omega F tier as keys get higher
how many phases did it take on higher keys? 3+?
quasi torrent
Mists was always a shit key
daring heron
how many phases did it take on higher keys? 3+?
kinda depended on your dps classes
quasi torrent
random route
bad first boss
daring heron
some had omega burst
quasi torrent
Full moon OHHHHH
rare kite
was about to say boomkin on that boss
hazy flower
mists of tirna scithe?
daring heron
mists fun dungeon overall imo, but got awful in high keys
rare kite
you guys think we're getting slands dungeons next expansion? we got bfa this expansion which is 2 expansions away. so wouldn't surprise me
quasi torrent
Possibly
daring heron
i feel like some sl dungeons should come back in tww yeah
quasi torrent
wouldn't bet on it tho
daring heron
i think they're p good dungeons
quasi torrent
people didn't like SL dungeons as a whole that much
I think SL has by far worst set
daring heron
i liked them
teal fossil
sanguine depth too claustrophobic
daring heron
both taz wings good
teal fossil
is my main thing
rare kite
i liked plaguefall alot(prob in the minority tho)
shy tide
shadowlands had some funny things
olive nest
i feel like some sl dungeons should come back in tww yeah
gotta go back to oribos to swap your covenant for keys
shy tide
i think top was my favourite dungeon
daring heron
idk i guess they would allow us to use all items
shy tide
but it was one of the harsher ones on high keys
shy tide
lich was questionable
olive nest
lich boss in high keys was pain
quasi torrent
DOS - walking sim
Mists - rng route + aids first boss
SD - i actually like this one (mdi bias)
hoa - pretty good (2nd boss needs to be magic, not curse)
Spires - fuck off dogshit
NW - weapon fiesta, auto F tier
TOP - too much walking back + lich area boring
Plaguefall - honestly not the worst? Idk mid
Didn't play tazas
shy tide
season 4 was bis
daring heron
taz gut
rare kite
tazas were great, tho i played quite late that season and heard it was really difficult at the start
daring heron
it was yeah, tends to happen to all megadungs
quasi torrent
lower kara was fine...
quasi torrent
upper kara on live was always bad
quasi torrent
medivh random cast sequence was BAD
daring heron
even on fort, upper kara was a boss key
rare kite
i kinda like that tho
quasi torrent
(on tourney realm medivh always had a fixed sequence btw)
rare kite
having a dungeon that is always a boss dungeon is pretty cool imo
daring heron
same as wcm today tbh solely because of goliath, those soul thorns are insane
quasi torrent
Goliath is stupid this xpac
quasi torrent
dinner bell change is also dumb as fuck
tbh Goliath isnt that bad on my MW
just farmed a 29 tyra with our mage getting a singular thorn 😔
rare kite
fkn hell, dinner bell change is actually the worst
quasi torrent
@uncut shard was in roots perma, noober
quasi torrent
fkn hell, dinner bell change is actually the worst
just cause they didn't want you to pull mobs on raal
(u still can and should :3)
halcyon breach
meow
rare kite
meow
uncut shard
Yeh i attract the roots
quasi torrent
meow
uncut shard
meow
quasi torrent
Yeh i attract the roots
and then u bind use 14 into something
WOOF WOOF I WILL CALL U A DOG
uncut shard
gaunt owl
...
uncut shard
targeting the blind player
Why do you attack me you werent even in the key
and we timed it too
quasi torrent
Yeah we also had a mob go through on every wave on raal
pov doing 220k hps on a boss that requires 10k hps
uncut shard
Yes the demonhunter did not know what his sigils do
hazy flower
Yeah we also had a mob go through on every wave on raal
sounds like avg pug key
quasi torrent
sounds like avg pug key
ye avr 29 pug
quasi torrent
was gr8
hazy flower
ye avr 29 pug
hazy flower
even tho at that range you'll find some brained people there are still actual apes
had a guy in tot where I was stealing agro every pull and pala died from melees 3 out of 4 pulls and he flamed us
lil bro cant hold agro 30 seconds into the pull
uncut shard
dh tanks are the new augs
quasi torrent
all fotm classes rn are kinda low bar that's the issue
hazy flower
quasi torrent
maybe dont post r word
hazy flower
true and real
tepid star
Hello boys !
How can we use fyr'alath with Bladestorm ? Do you have a macro ?
gaunt owl
you need some distance to pull that one off
cant remember the macro order but it should be the weapon first then bladestorm
tepid star
I try with max range 25metter but can't succes that move
Without avatar i mean. it's possible ?
olive nest
smoky kayak
it's pretty tricky without avatar, but technically possible - you need a lot of range
with avatar it's easy
gaunt owl
even while max range i cant pull it off
3rd time the charm maybe
yep i cant
maybe i'm too bad
placid pecan
any blue silken lining enjoyers with fueled by violence in m+? issa vibe
charred dagger
Is lariat bad?
dull siren
no
charred dagger
Everything I see for bis never recommends it yet it looks strong to me, would trading cloak with patch for it seem like a bad idea?
outer holly
Sim it and find out, personally I gained something like 1-2k from it?
hazy flower
so your only tradeoff could be sf
charred dagger
I'm running with bracers and cloak atm
Don't have a suitable replacement for the cloak yet so just asking vs simming
Didn't know what the general consensus was on lariat
outer holly
General consensus is it's good and gets better in aoe, though like myrtu said BSL has been simming crazy well for people
I've seen logs where it's like 70% uptime
hazy flower
65-70% is pretty standard
even in high keys
and it's only gonna get better in lower keys
only week I would consider not running it on is bursting
and considering how far ahead it was in my sims vs lariat, I would do a key first to see because it might still pull ahead
76% uptime on logs in my tyra wm
outer holly
wow, these numbers actually look good, wonder what their uptime in raids would be
I feel like there's way too much rot damage going out for decent uptime for the most part
smoky kayak
General consensus is it's good and gets better in aoe, though like myrtu said BS...
BSL always sims high, but you need very high uptime for it to actaully perform that well, and that's not gauranteed
outer holly
Yeah I would say personally I'm not gonna see the uptime that I could potentially have
That's a good point
smoky kayak
Mythic+ is debatable, since it depends a lot on your comp, your keys, how high you're pushing, etc
but in raid? na it's only good for trivial bosses
53% uptime on Smolderon
rare kite
with or without standing in the flames?
outer holly
Can arms even do that? Feels scary asf compared to fury
rare kite
that log isn't arms
smoky kayak
35% uptime on Tindral
worldly kernel
think thats a fury only thing to survive fire with regen
outer holly
that log isn't arms
You know you'd think I could spot a fury buff by now
smoky kayak
38% uptime on Fyrakk lol
smoky kayak
that log isn't arms
it doesn't matter lol
Arms would probably have a harder time keeping high uptime, since it has less DR
rare kite
well it matters only if you stood in the fire with ER
smoky kayak
You're not keeping >90% HP on smolderon during intermission whether you stand in the fire or not
rare kite
also meant it as a reply to knifeman
smoky kayak
full stop
Also BSL's mechanics are dog - it has an ICD, so if you drop below 90%, even if you immediately heal back up, the buff won't reapply for ~10s
smoky kayak
I just grabbed the top Warrior logs for each fight, idc about Arms or Fury, because the point applies to both - any non-trivial encounter with unavoidable incoming damage completely bricks BSL
smoky kayak
the sim runs with a default of like 70% uptime, which is fine for Gnarlroot or Volcoross, but ain't gonna happen on any real fight
As I said, M+ is a different situation, since it depends a lot on what key you're doing, what the level is, your group makeup, and how well you pay attention to whether BSL is currently up or not before using your CDs
teal fossil
right, but if you were to do like a 1 minute sim with a 99% uptime, there will still be a 10 second gap somewhere
smoky kayak
but there are still a lot of places where you simply will not keep the buff up, especially Tyrannical bosses.. and the places with the highest incoming damage are frequently also the places where you want to use your cooldowns
run it if you feel, could be great if you wanna blast low keys or really hawk the buff window, but its far too unreliable to be worth it imo
hazy flower
As I said, M+ is a different situation, since it depends a lot on what key you'r...
any level
beats
29 tyra tot I had ~ 70% uptime
but yeah I wouldn't run it in raid
outside of meme bosses
teal fossil
well how much of is that 70% uptime is walking around
im not saying its bad or good
its just that this could be the case
rare kite
does the uptime not count only when in combat?
teal fossil
no to mention since it disables itself for 10 seconds
hazy flower
and logs are only in combat no?
hazy flower
76% in 29 tyra wm is decent
teal fossil
and logs are only in combat no?
logs is explicitely not in combat
details is in combat only i believe
teal fossil
can you link me that log
hazy flower
generally not a single key I've had was below 60%
teal fossil
i wanna look into it a bit
teal fossil
any log is ifne
hazy flower
@teal fossil did you find what you needed
I can check for some more logs if I did any keys
teal fossil
all good my internet died
smoky kayak
76% in 29 tyra wm is decent
that's decent, but I'd also look at overlaps
the nature of M+ is that you're not in combat all the time (or at least not in effective combat all the time), so it's a little harder to analyze than a raid encounter
but you wanna look for spots like this (this isn't horrible, but it's not 100% uptime through your burst either)
here's another where its down for a decent portion of your damage spike
or this opening burst in EB, the biggest section of damage throughout the whole dungeon
actually this shows it more comprehensively - the blacked out portions are when zone wasn't active
which is basically all your burst periods (not all of the burst period, but you're losing the buff at some point during each burst period)
Anyway, I'm not saying don't use it - personally I think people try to conform to each other way too much, and I like to see people experiment with other options; if you like it, go for it
I'm just pointing out that it's far more nuanced than "sim better at X uptime, must be better"
hazy flower
Yeah I get what you mean
I made a couple of sims and even at 45% uptime it was ahead
smoky kayak
yeah it definitely sims well, no argument
hazy flower
so I figured since m+ is not so binary and with 65% uptime it's gonna be ahead
smoky kayak
I personally like to aim for consistency, but there's nothing wrong with other approaches - some people like to play for god pulls where everything aligns and you get some crazy burst/parse
smoky kayak
no to mention since it disables itself for 10 seconds
also I think the lockout must be 4-5s now (idk if it actually changed or I just misremembered), based on the logs I'm looking at; it's a little inconsistent, but it's definitely not an immediate reapplication >90% either way
west lichen
blademasters torment not the go to for m+? took the build from icy but i see most top warriors not using it
ornate eagle
The thing with bsl is
It instantly Falls off
But it takes a full 5.25s to apply itself again
So if you bounce between 85-95
You'll never get the buff
So example for 2nd boss EB, you'll never have the buff up during the pulses
And especially not on last boss EB when it matters the most
So if anything it's aoe padding but can be situationally useless on bosses
spiral coral
wanton patrol
how much better is corrupting rage vs vers flask?
sacred zodiac
can just sim it no
sacred zodiac
then do two top gear sims or
wanton patrol
wtf is the bleeding option on simc
smoky kayak
its whether or not the target is bleeding
historically there have been several damage de/buffs associated with whether or not the target was affected by a bleed
hazy flower
It's only relevant for survival hunters isn't it?
worldly kernel
ima need slayer to go ahead and make an appearance
rare kite
is there a different build than on the guides being played?
There's the 1 bladestorm build vs 2 bladestorm
tender ermine
So im thinking of replacing my shadowflame patch with a lariat. Looking on murlok io all the gems seem to be vers/mastery. Why is that? I would have thought crit haste gems being empowered would be more beneficial for arms?
opal folio
You’re probably looking at the 3v3(PvP) section
@tender ermine change it to m+ at the top
tender ermine
You’re probably looking at the 3v3(PvP) section
The top 2 still seem to be very gems
Is that like a big key thing for survivability maybe?
opal folio
sand dove
Just be a blacksmith and use your master hammer to fix for free
tender geyser
wait does that work
wait but it only works for plate armour
so for leather is there an equivalent?
zealous rampart
Just be a blacksmith and use your master hammer to fix for free
nice to learn that crucial info before almost expansion is over
sand dove
Haha it was one of the first things I aimed for I haven’t paid a repair bill the majority of this xpac which was handy as the axe is expensive
naive sage
The minor stat is the one that gets procced
The proc is based on the gem element
Frost gems proc versatility
Earth = mastery
Fire = crit
Air = haste
opal folio
sure, but those correspond to the minor stat
realistically no one is slotting single stat gems
vernal eagle
Hey im a new player of 7 days, am at 452 ilvl and have a couple of gem sockets on my gear. I can only find gems in the ah that add like 16 haste max. Where do I get better ones?
minor gust
there are better gems on the AH its a bit confusing but helps to look for the ones with 3 stars next to it. Those are the current expansion ones
vernal eagle
What section are they in? I can't find ones at all in the gems>haste section with any stars next to them
misty bridge
Hey im a new player of 7 days, am at 452 ilvl and have a couple of gem sockets o...
Alexstrazite(crit), Malygite(vers), Ysemerald(haste), Neltharite (mastery) are the names
type that in the search bar
minor gust
what Juicebox said can search those for what stat u want
vernal eagle
Oh wow much better ones ty
How come they don't put them into the haste section lol
Or into their rightful sections
misty bridge
I'm not sure why they won't show up when you look at crit gems specificly
minor gust
yeah the gem section is not really good especially because 99% are just old expansion gems but all the new ones are in Other in the gem section
misty bridge
but if you just check gems (without picking a specific stat) they will show up
vernal eagle
Ohh right I see, found them all in the other section. Thanks guys
Couple other question if you guys know the answers. I'm an arms warrior atm, do you guys know the max amount of Fatal Mark stacks for pve? I searched online and found that it was nerfed to 5 for pvp but can't find anything about pve.
minor gust
there is no stack cap in pve
vernal eagle
And does Avatars dmg buff stack with Colossal Strikes? I'm assuming it does but better make sure
minor gust
yes Avatar stacks with CS
vernal eagle
there is no stack cap in pve
Ohh damn, so on bosses I want to mortal strike pretty much as many times as possible before 30%?
And can the 1 big execute hit buffed from the Fatal Mark's also get buffed from Avatar and CS?
proud plover
you just ignore it and let it do its thing
minor gust
you wanna mortal strike on cooldown regardless of fatality
proud plover
do the rotation, fatal mark will 'stars align' once every few fights inside a huge tom window
minor gust
but yeah what BigDan said just ignore Fatal Mark it only scales with your strength and its just not worth trying to min max
just think of it as free damage
vernal eagle
you wanna mortal strike on cooldown regardless of fatality
Ohh okay, what makes mortal strike such a priority to use on cooldown if not for the Fatal Marks?
proud plover
ragee spent, big dam
minor gust
just our highest ST dmg abillity outside of execute
vernal eagle
Makes sense, ty
Would you prioritize MS over a minimal raged execute or execute first?
Aside from the obvious execute 2x stacks
minor gust
Wowhead has a good guide on Arms Warrior that can help you get started and you can come back here anytime to ask questions
vernal eagle
Or do I always wanna execute first if it's available
proud plover
SD > MS > OPx2 > slam/ww as filler - inside execute phase with jugg exe regardless of rage spent > ms with 2 stacks of op buff > op if low ragee or someething like that
vernal eagle
Sweet ill have a read through there too. I've been watching some YouTube videos and researching a bit but finding a lot of things just say to do stuff without explaining the reasonings behind it so definitely have a lot more to look into haha
minor gust
has everything you need to get familiar with the spec and like I said if you have any questions while reading it/after feel free to ask them in here
boreal quartz
SD > MS > OPx2 > slam/ww as filler - inside execute phase with jugg exe regardle...
ms>sd fwiw
proud plover
someetimes you can get like 8+ executes in a row
proud plover
ms>sd fwiw
its late and i havent focused on rotation in weeks, im currently preessing what hekili tells me to press with brain switched off
tempted to pug mythic just so i can turn brain on
vernal eagle
sorry might be dumb question but what's SD?
boreal quartz
sudden death proc
vernal eagle
Ohh right
minor gust
its a talent
vernal eagle
I use that but my brain wasn't clicking with the initials hahaha
I'm assuming the 4 set is huge for that
misty bridge
Yeah
proud plover
its nice
misty bridge
the tier set moved SD ahead of MS in priority
proud plover
less times you have to refresh rend
minor gust
dont worry friends the tier set will be added into the slayer tree trust full cope
boreal quartz
the tier set moved SD ahead of MS in priority
it did not
we fixed the apl and ms>sd
vernal eagle
What do you guys mean by putting sd in the rotation like after ms, because isn't sd just based on chance? Like how would I guarantee to follow that rotation above MS>SD>etc or does that mean just if it procs then use execute
minor gust
Think of arms rotation more ike a priority
proud plover
phils got this, had it typed and all 🙂
boreal quartz
phils got this, had it typed and all 🙂
im just tabbing in between turns im sure yall will be able to explain to
vernal eagle
I'm just a lil confused what I'm meant to do with the priority tho, because sd is a passive and not a skill I cast right?
proud plover
im watching a movie
vernal eagle
or does it just mean spam execute if it procs
misty bridge
yes
proud plover
sd allows execute to be cast at any hp level at full rage for free
proud plover
button lights up, press it, if ms is avail to be cast, press that first
vernal eagle
Hahaha
boreal quartz
if you stand on a target dummy just hit it til execute glows
thats sudden death proccing
(assuming dummy isnt in execute)
vernal eagle
The comment saying think of it like a priority and not a rotation just made so much sense to me
minor gust
yup you got a priority list in front of you all you gotta do is just follow that list
proud plover
APL - Action Priority List
vernal eagle
sweet thank you guys so much for that
makes a lot more sense now
Oh one last thing what is jugg? lol
minor gust
Juggernaut one of your talents
proud plover
talent that buffs execute for every execute you cast
misty bridge
we fixed the apl and ms>sd
Okay so you only SD>MS when you have Jugger stacks and they're about to fall off, the rest is MS > SD?
proud plover
jugg wont fall off in a raid fight
vernal eagle
Ohh I see, I've got that one in use too so that's good
proud plover
you got to be real unlucky for that to happen
minor gust
pre execute it will but yeah thats just rng
boreal quartz
Okay so you only SD>MS when you have Jugger stacks and they're about to fall off...
ms>sd outside of execute
in execute its 2ep/2op ms>exe>op at rage <40
vernal eagle
can the 2ep and 2op stack on the ms? As in the 2 stacks from both skill at once or just 2 stacks from 1?
minor gust
aka yeah they stack
vernal eagle
Ohh so is it worth doing 2op then 2exe then ms? or would the first ones expire by then
boreal quartz
lemme rephrase
im looking at a specific point in our rotation in execute (with 3 specific talents selected)
you dont wanna be this specific if ur new
learn your general priority first
vernal eagle
I get you, more just curious on the mechanics of it
minor gust
tbh just learn the normal EP execute rotation over our new one bit easier to understand
proud plover
if above 40 rage press exe, if below 40 rage press op
eg - exe, exe, exe, op, exe, exe, exe,op (you now have 2 stacks of op), press ms cause it hits like a truck
vernal eagle
sweet, I kinda understand the rotation outside the execute phase and inside it now at least
proud plover
then start again
vernal eagle
if above 40 rage press exe, if below 40 rage press op
eg - exe, exe, exe, op, ex...
Oo that seems like a better way or doing it
vernal eagle
sweet that makes a lot more sense now too thank you
So much easier to learn from talking to ppl rather than guides I find
minor gust
guides give a good basis but yeah really helps to have somewhere to ask questions that u have
vernal eagle
Yeah exactly, I love learning about the reasoning to try and get an understanding of the mechanics and experiment around with it
and im too noob to understand some of the terms in the guides so it's nice having people that can break it down a bit
proud plover
ive played prot/arms warr as main since 2005, arms execute phase is the best feeling spec in the game, feeling like your getting carried there by everyone else is the painful part
boreal quartz
i wouldnt go that far
proud plover
load up the legion execute video
boreal quartz
ep crit gamba
minor gust
tbh as a new player it helps a lot to just read what your abillities and talents do
a lot of ppl just copy and then don't even know exactly what half their shit does
vernal eagle
Also how do you guys keep track of stacks/bleeds etc? I find it so hard to know what they're at, is there like an essential addon everyone uses for that or do I just needa get used to scanning the screen better?
proud plover
as much as its hated i use hekili as a rotation helped to learn a class from the ground up
misty bridge
Also how do you guys keep track of stacks/bleeds etc? I find it so hard to know ...
Weakauras
proud plover
that tracks everything for you out of the box
minor gust
Weakauras but thats opening up a massive can of worms for a new player lmao
vernal eagle
tbh as a new player it helps a lot to just read what your abillities and talents...
Bro for real I spend so much time just reading through my talents trying to make sense of it all
boreal quartz
Weakauras but thats opening up a massive can of worms for a new player lmao
very real
vernal eagle
Ohh sweet ill look into that thank you. I've got DBM and Details and they seem to help a lot too
proud plover
you dont have weak auras installed?
vernal eagle
Nope I actually seen a bit about that when I first started but completely forgot about it haha
Is it an essential one?
proud plover
id say i cant play wow without it tbh
minor gust
can you live without it yeah, but it really does help out a lot especially as a UI function
proud plover
then finding the right things that it can do
proud plover
i mean your a warrior without spell reflect tech?
vernal eagle
damn thats good hopefully it helps a lot then when I get it set up
what do u mean spell reflect tech?
I have spell reflect but honestly barely even use it because I never know when to hahaha
misty bridge
another can of worms opened @proud plover
proud plover
I have spell reflect but honestly barely even use it because I never know when t...
install weak auras
and put this in
minor gust
yup unfortunatly the can as just been opened
proud plover
that alone will blow your mind
vernal eagle
Would you say most people use all these sorta things in M+ and raids?
boreal quartz
well on the boss im doing rn yes
if u try do fyrakk M without weakauras you cant really do the stuff right
quasi torrent
if u try do fyrakk M without weakauras you cant really do the stuff right
intermission without WAs
vernal eagle
I got through normal ammirdrisal raid without them but goddamn it was rough so I'm excited to get this all set up
proud plover
m+ without dungeons pack
boreal quartz
intermission without WAs <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
private aura pogging
quasi torrent
m+ without dungeons pack
that's totally fine
minor gust
intermission without WAs <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
Just soak the balls its not that hard
quasi torrent
Just soak the balls its not that hard <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
just open eyes
vernal eagle
I'm only up to m+15 and shits pretty hard
vernal eagle
Humdinger of a learning curve
I'm actually exactly 8 days in since playing the game for the first time in my life hahaha
I've been playing too much
these last 8 days
proud plover
8 days and you came here for advice, nice
proud plover
most play a while pick up bad info/habits then come here to disagree with advice
minor gust
Retail is just a massive learning curve for new players honest to god best advice is find a new player friendly guild or just some peeps to play with and it will make learning a lot easier just because you will have more fun learning
vernal eagle
I've played mmos for years but mainly trash ones on mobile but never rly got into a proper one
so after picking this up it's like the mmo I've always wanted but never known about ya know
so having a lot of fun so far
proud plover
8 days and your playing arms warrior when ret pally currently exists?
vernal eagle
I honestly don't even know what ret pally is haha
I just clicked arms warrior when I first booted up the game the other day cos it looked cool and haven't looked back since
minor gust
well lvling up and checking out other classes/specs is part of the fun of learning wow and not just the endgame like raids/M+
proud plover
^^ gotta fill out that warband for 11.0
minor gust
lmao yeah came just intime for warband
proud plover
nothing to worry about yet
vernal eagle
Purely bc I like how they can switch into different animals hahaha
minor gust
basically new feature for next expansion that makes things more account wide and not character specific
vernal eagle
Oh I think I seen something about that actually
Like faction progress or something right?
proud plover
nah more like account progress but allows you to play multiple toons easier
vernal eagle
btw do u guys reckon the 70haste+33crit gems are better or 88haste ones
thick kelp
yes
proud plover
moree stats > less stats
thick kelp
more stats = better
vernal eagle
sweet ty
proud plover
the only answer is to sim yourself though
vernal eagle
are those the best gems u can get?
thick kelp
sim yoself
vernal eagle
Aight ill get onto that in the morning
minor gust
the only answer is to sim yourself though
you just slammed the next biggest can of worms
proud plover
ikr
vernal eagle
I better sleep tbh before getting into too many more cans
Hahahha
Thanks so much tho you guys helped a ton
vernal eagle
appreciate your time
proud plover
8 days max level and doing 15's as arms warrior, they got this
minor gust
gamer
boreal quartz
I better sleep tbh before getting into too many more cans
vernal eagle
Hhahaha
boreal quartz
last can for you
vernal eagle
been playing a bit too much
minor gust
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/
boreal quartz
if you ever dont know what talents to play on a raid boss
this tool is turbo overkill for what ur doing so u dont have to touch it for now
vernal eagle
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/
I've screenshotted and will get into that can in the morning too
I'll see u guys at the top
Goodnight xxx
proud plover
jugg ST for ethical dps phil, we dont need to pad or we will get nerfed
minor gust
Mark my words this kid is gonna get a 100 parse by fated
boreal quartz
jugg ST for ethical dps phil, we dont need to pad or we will get nerfed
imagine not playing the bs build in keys smh
proud plover
im still playing jugg in keys, need to makee the bs one again cause leggo now
guild quit, pugs dont neeed it
minor gust
go half way and play single BS
boreal quartz
thats the build i default now
vernal eagle
Mark my words this kid is gonna get a 100 parse by fated
Screenshotted bc I don't even know what tf that is but ill post the screenshot and prove u right when the day comes
minor gust
ill be waiting
boreal quartz
Screenshotted bc I don't even know what tf that is but ill post the screenshot a...
well warcraftlogs assigns scores to your damage
from 0 to 100%
minor gust
LET HIM SLEEP PHIL
boreal quartz
100% means you are the single highest damage arms warrior on the fight
vernal eagle
info>sleep>ms>sd
boreal quartz
yep
vernal eagle
100% means you are the single highest damage arms warrior on the fight
Oh yea I'm coming for that for sure
proud plover
oh and you didnt ask about your stats
thick kelp
only mythic counts :^)
vernal eagle
Goddamn
minor gust
if you watch twitch streams at all look up Critcakeu basically warrior dad at this point
vernal eagle
I'll be back tomorrow for sure
minor gust
he can also help you
thick kelp
oh and you didnt ask about your stats
boreal quartz
only mythic counts :^)
inshallah
vernal eagle
if you watch twitch streams at all look up Critcakeu basically warrior dad at th...
Noted
proud plover
just remembeer watching crit, you will never do the stuff he can
thick kelp
Current iteration of arms is if you hit execute and ms u will do 95% of what he does
:^)
proud plover
remember charge > bladestorm > release
sacred zodiac
FUCK!!!!
minor gust
make sure to charge Razageth as she transitions to P3
thick kelp
proud plover
make sure to charge Razageth as she transitions to P3
"No path available"
minor gust
such a classic moment
proud plover
those fatal mark stacks
minor gust
tbh I feel like they are just gonna relaunch the raids and not do affix's this time
most ppl in SL didnt like the raid affix's
proud plover
i did felt fun having a bonus mechanic that wasnt absurd to help the fight
if it wasnt there who was going to want to do them
minor gust
some of them just had gross overlaps that made shit harder
proud plover
Good thing classic cata is around the corner
omg i didnt play cata outside of leveling cause i hated the changes from wotlk > cata prepatch - you have just peaked my interest
opal folio
some of them just had gross overlaps that made shit harder
Think that was only the case with jailer, no?
And that one got fixed quick
thick kelp
omg i didnt play cata outside of leveling cause i hated the changes from wotlk >...
Cata arms design lowkey bangs
proud plover
fatescribe
minor gust
tbh I dont really remember which ones were terrible I just remember wiping at times because the affix's plus other mechanics
proud plover
Cata arms design lowkey bangs
yeah i heard it was amazing ill look into it
thick kelp
Banger mastery
proud plover
wft, hoj, sword spec - all the fun
untold trench
each point of mastery, I got what 5000 odd points atm?
So, remove deepwounds damn and modifiers, replace with 100% more auto dam
Well, if the proc can proc the proc, it is infinite damage
if not - I dunno man
gaunt owl
Remove parry
shy tide
i fcking love losing 50% of my opener because the boss is funny
gaunt owl
swear to god i got parried when on their flank
slow saddle
Remove parry
And tom🤣
unborn basin
can anybody link the best bladestorm build? I saw the one on the guides but on rio everybody is running something different lol
unborn basin
Blademaster's Torment/Warlord's? What's the deciding factor between those two in m+?
hazy flower
Take warlords
Blademaster is overkill for 95% of situations
- warlords is faster to burst
unborn basin
Okay, what about improved sweeping vs strength of arms? I see a pretty decent split on that choice node when looking at rio too
shy tide
strenght of arms is better prio dmg
which is important for a lot of dungeons
but if you arent running really high keys it doesnt matter that much
hazy flower
^ dont worry about it
your biggest choices are whether its bladestorm or not and if it is then whether it's blademasters or warlords
worldly kernel
Who up having a balanced breakfast
worldly kernel
Cata arms design lowkey bangs
It was good it was when arms started to become a mainstream PVE spec instead of a niche support spec for raiding in tbc and wraith ( non classic)
And it was actually competitive with fury at least in FL and dragon soul
wispy tiger
your biggest choices are whether its bladestorm or not and if it is then whether...
In my totally unbiased opinion I think nobody should ever take bladestorm
livid cloak
worldly kernel
Bladestorm would be cool if it still behaved as if it was whirlwind damage
The. You get all the ww modifiers
brittle cosmos
if you ask for the ''best build'' you really are just asking for a general build
im sure the reason you see differences is cause it depends on what you're doing
last inlet
for M+ is the collateral damage build for WW spam still going to be viable in S4?
dire hinge
for M+ is the collateral damage build for WW spam still going to be viable in S4...
The season 4 tier set doesn’t really benefit the whirlwind build as much (it promotes cleave and mortal strike usage). You can technically still play it, but it will be contextually less powerful than other options compared to today
dire hinge
Most likely, there may be some other build options as well though
last inlet
i still haven't figured out bladestorm build for a single target rotation.....
like do i use bladestorm for the hurricane buff or not.
dire hinge
Absolutely, the Hurricane buff outweighs the lower dps of bladestorm itself
jade ember
Man I really really like the Collateral Damage build tho. Simple and fun. Don't have to find a place for Cleave and Bladestorm on my bars.
hidden anvil
Hi everyone, who can explain me stat priority for arms, all guides saying that crit and haste our main secondary stats, but when I do simcraft (dung slice), it mostly tells me to pick items with mastery (my stats crit 38, haste 38, mastery 32)
wispy tiger
Hi everyone, who can explain me stat priority for arms, all guides saying that c...
Just follow your sims.
clever crag
