that has st and aoe
#arms
latent moss
simple wren
nice ty!
latent moss
u can drop uproar for shockwave if u need it
simple wren
u can drop uproar for shockwave if u need it
ok!
buoyant axle
u can drop uproar for shockwave if u need it
What abt int. shout?
latent moss
fuck that
boreal quartz
Dont need to drop uproar for it
boreal quartz
Drop rage cap point
hazy flower
unethical
boreal quartz
@hazy flower spez ah pfp
hazy flower
drop bounding stride
buoyant axle
Nono not uproar, id rather play with 115 rage
buoyant axle
drop bounding stride
Y or that
hazy flower
how to reflect on priestess
boreal quartz
I'm also offering
PIZZA PASTA PARMESANE
boreal quartz
đ¤
boreal quartz
RANK 2 ARMS WARRIOR DPS TARREN MILL
Lost to tmy L
buoyant axle
Tmy goat
hazy flower
mich naturlich
boreal quartz
Aquire raid item
hazy flower
drop raid item
hazy flower
give it to someone else
buoyant axle
Mich ficken deine Mutter
wow..
hazy flower
Mich ficken deine Mutter
ja
buoyant axle
buoyant axle
Es is wasses is
In der tat.
boreal quartz
Yes
boreal quartz
North Germany
buoyant axle
Niedersachsen?
median scroll
I have a uk accent
the fuck you have
boreal quartz
the fuck you have
Oi brev
boreal quartz
erzähl keine lßgen im internet, philliam <a:ragey:1198213371154153484>
Ich hab nen Akzent assi
median scroll
du hast nen stimmbruch vielleicht 
boreal quartz
du hast nen stimmbruch vielleicht <:keks:936231610850897992>
Leck meine Eier
subtle ledge
Yo! Been away for a while and am jumping back with my guild for some TWW prep.
This question might not be about arms but thought maybe someone can help me. I wanna faction change my warrior since itâs now allowed for alliance and horde to be in the same guild. Are there any other restrictions that could fuck me over doing this? With like messages, LFG, or stuff, or can I play with everyone seemless now? Sry maybe wrong forum but this is the only wow disc I read and thought someone would know x)
median scroll
Leck meine Eier
hazy flower
you cant message people of opposite faction
and some keys might not display in lfg but it's nothing too big
in general
it's not limiting
subtle ledge
Alright thanks!
hazy flower
as ally you can apply to horde keys and viceversa
though like I said sometimes it might not show some specific guy (idk why) and you'll have to make legacy content group
exotic kestrel
trade chat
subtle ledge
Ye prolly something that will get fixed then, since it sounds like a bug
exotic kestrel
is still faction based
subtle ledge
So basically I can message through guildchat but canât message my guildies with whispers?
exotic kestrel
im on tarren-mill and went Void elf, my trade chat is like 1% of what it was as blood elf
hazy flower
ye trade chat is faction based
so I recommend making an alt
if you dont have one
and having it in valdrakken
just ask for a summon
even level 1 can whisper
subtle ledge
Yeah most of my chars will still be horde
half vine
Did the DF review of Fury/Arms/Prot Warrior for DF get posted on WoWhead and I miss it?
half vine
the new hottness are articles on hero talents - i'm interested to see the review of state of warriors for DF
tender pecan
Archi is probably preparing some insane essay
It must be hard to keep it within TOS 
compact geyser
hero talent sums it up by saying "channeled 2 secs every 45s" pretty much all you need to know about the dumpster fire they put together unless you wanna be a lighting daddy clappin' around the map. pretty doggo so far i think
compact geyser
ah my bad... 2 secs of channel every 37 secs
compact geyser
i do hope the last one is gonna be good. if its actually built around execute and giving back the one part of a fight thats supposed to be like epically built for arms to shine. it'll prolly get offset by having almost no throughput till 35% though
boreal quartz
so you dont know
gaunt owl
compact geyser
unless they give us back 100-80 and 35-0 that would be nice
gaunt owl
we have no idea whats the gameplay gonna be like
fuck condemn
it was shit niche
and useless
the only good part about Condemn was the free HPS but people forget about that one
compact geyser
true but at least we got to front load into the fight and then maintain till we could pump again
latent moss
well am might be in tww
i dont like am on arms
ngl
doesnt feel like arms
could be just me idk
latent moss
i want am gone
i want cs gone
wb baseline
i want tom gone
i want op power moved to ms/execute
in aeo
aoe*
i want the spec to slow down
and hit harder
boreal quartz
aoe power can remain in SOS/sweep
compact geyser
tom isnt that bad it just needs to be on casts not rage spent
boreal quartz
turbofuck small aoe
latent moss
tom isnt that bad it just needs to be on casts not rage spent
no its still cringe
compact geyser
lol maybe
gaunt owl
tom isnt that bad it just needs to be on casts not rage spent
same problem we would giga stack haste to squeeze in that extra ability
latent moss
wow i for sure love doing the same amount of damage the entire fight!
giga flat damage curve
just aint fun
i want spikes in damage
i want big dam in cds
also
secretly
cold garnet
demo is actually pretty inline with where iâd like arms to be 
compact geyser
i didnt start playing warrior till 8,2 into 8.3 and by then tom was king so its all i know really
compact geyser
yea thats what ive been told
eager sigil
early legion slot machine arms đ
compact geyser
but then again i got full expediant geared with a razor coral so i think im ok missing some of it
idc who you are that shit was fun
cold garnet
i want to see bladestorm apart of the ST rotation, give it a similar thing to blade flurry so itâs not like youâre not gimping ST completely to do aoe
cold garnet
i do
latent moss
like it was in sl
compact geyser
why do you want to play rogue so badly ? like just no
gaunt owl
i want to see bladestorm apart of the ST rotation, give it a similar thing to bl...
why would you want it to be like blade flurry ?
thats not our identity
go play rogue then
cold garnet
you donât know what i mean
cold garnet
itâs not the ability blade flurry itâs the talent choices
latent moss
cause half the time u are in stealth anyway
cold garnet
where it does more dmg if it doesnât hit the full target count
latent moss
fury should get that not arms
smoky kayak
Unhinged ostensibly does that, itâs just not worth the talent point investment over other things
finite mantle
arms should do #1 dam no matter what button you hit
cold garnet
yes my most iconic ability not being used in majority of situations and if itâs used itâs gimping an important aspect of any encounter is silly to me
gaunt owl
an AOE ability shouldnt be doing top dmg in ST
compact geyser
it is an iconic ability but never iconic for its st pump.
cold garnet
it shouldnât be top ST but it should be worth pressing
finite mantle
mortal strikes more iconic to me
compact geyser
SLAM ALLTIME WARRIOR ICONIC SPELL
gaunt owl
and it was fine this way
compact geyser
change my mind
finite mantle
cold garnet
yeh maybe we donât have a shit ton of rage and make it actually do some dmg through unhinged
ms & bs are to me the main things of arms, and i can just not use bs in most content feels meh to me
gaunt owl
this ship sailed long ago
unhinged is meh because not enough MS cast
and MS do shit dmg on its own
nothing Arms do is significant dmg
its always amped up by 2 or 3 buff
cold garnet
thank you the point is change it
cold garnet
i want my mortal strikes slow n hard and my bladestorm to fuck
gaunt owl
i've been saying it too long
but i dont want Bladestorm to be good in ST either
its made to turbo nuke a pack
teal fossil
BS being bad was an upside in 9.1
cold garnet
i mean it should be an option through talent choices imo even strictly not the best
teal fossil
because then you can hold BS for ads
smoky kayak
Sounds like Demolish is made for this - get your BS ST fantasies fulfilled!
cold garnet
fun to have meme builds đ
compact geyser
increase the duration and tune the damage up on selected target while slightly scaling off on the others but uncapped and quadriactic scaling like dk's with wounds. BS go burr!!
cold garnet
i like demo too but i like bs & spinning
teal fossil
i think we are just saying random stuff
compact geyser
it all makes sense in our head. just translating it is where it falls short
latent moss
like fury and titans grip
arms and bladestorm
tbf prot got shockwave
so
i guess not
if we look at the cool shit about fury
number 1
is titans grip
everyone knows fury for titans grip
compact geyser
which shouldnt be a talent should be baseline so does that even really count
smoky kayak
I think everyone has their own idea of identity and iconic; ask an SMF enjoyer and they donât give a shit about how long Fury has had TG
gaunt owl
SMF was in game first they could even argue
smoky kayak
SMF was in game first they could even argue
Can argue anything if you try hard enough to find an argument
compact geyser
its more of a furious playstyle so i get that. but cant put tg back in the box at this point. would be nice if they actually made them both playable
gaunt owl
most SMF player if you would just give them the tmog option its enough
compact geyser
you would have to find a way to offset the amount of stats you gain from tg. but a movement speed increase just aint it
gaunt owl
just tmog option easy simple fix
latent moss
yep
latent moss
you would have to find a way to offset the amount of stats you gain from tg. but...
the issue is complex
gaunt owl
blizzard just cant find the technology
latent moss
cause gearing is a big part of it
if u wanted tg and smf to be equal dps wise every patch
this patch u would have to buff smf significantly
to match legendary
how do u do that
gaunt owl
isnt there some stronk 1h this tier too ?
latent moss
yes
compact geyser
idk i dont think gearing would be affected that much since fury can technically already be in the same loot pool as other 1h str users.
latent moss
yes but there is almost always
a special weapon
either a 2h or a 1h
ashkandur alone
would make smf ass on st
cold garnet
45apm uldir arms was the goat/ fury had 60apm, now we both have 70, thatâs wrong to me đ
compact geyser
70? that seems low
cold garnet
70 actions per minute
wide tapir
what was Glad apm
compact geyser
yea i know what it means
gaunt owl
we arent at 70 apm
compact geyser
i just mean the number seems low to me
gaunt owl
but we close thats sure
cold garnet
sim says 70
gaunt owl
its far too much for Arms
compact geyser
i def dont think arms should be gcd locked at all
cold garnet
i mean the actual number isnât the main thing just the difference was 45 arms 60 fury and now we have the same apm
cold garnet
what tier was glad?
compact geyser
wasnt glad spec mainly a pvp thing ?
latent moss
i mean the actual number isnât the main thing just the difference was 45 arms 60...
fury is still faster
with low haste
enrage frenzy too big
gaunt owl
Glad spec was pure insanity
cold garnet
arms shouldnât be near fury is the point
latent moss
glad was 100 or more right
gaunt owl
because you could do that actually
compact geyser
my hand would be numb at the end of the night
latent moss
they could make glad rn ngl
make fury be able to equip 1h and a shield and make a passive that incrases threat and stamina and armor or something
make fury be able to rampage*
teal fossil
arms shouldnât be near fury is the point
fury is 70 apm and arms is 61
with bis gear
and thats with fury having 2k less haste in bis profile
latent moss
my bad Iâm not 100 years old
idk i played classic for a bit
cold garnet
cool sims lied then
teal fossil
cool
rotund ferry
Make Arms hold 10 swords
cold garnet
60apm is still too much for arms
teal fossil
sims are also playing optimally and arms is stacking haste
gaunt owl
kill the feedback loop so we are free
last inlet
arms is fast?
rotund ferry
Regarding the theme, the point of fury is to be a berserker, just mashing swords around like a barbarian, while Arms is skilled swordmaster
It should be more in line that Arms can be 1hand, dual wield, 2hand , double twohand
rather than fury
đ¤
Tho i'd like Arms to be something like this
can be 1 twohand or dual wield
cold garnet
using gholak in opener to fish for proc above 90% swap to 2hand after
give arms the old hunter joke, where it can equip everything and itâll modify to 2hand str for us, none of your effect weapons are safe
rotund ferry
imo most specs got their identity in wrath
Legion and Shadowland leggies changed alot aswell
gaunt owl
Cata and MOP was pretty fast gameplay too
WoD slowed down Arms hard with the rework and rage starved
frigid lava
what should i craft.
rotund ferry
WoD slowed down Arms hard with the rework and rage starved
Legion arms 
rotund ferry
I played a bit Fire Mage in legion aswell, i was thinking all time, how do u go back to fire mage prior to legendaries
And then u come to Shadowlands aswell , and again, how do u go back to fire mage without fey thing for CD's and sun king ?
And they just incorporate these things in talents
Meanwhile we gotta live without Aftershock
gaunt owl
but they cook spear back in
when it was the most hated thing ever
they didnt even try to give us back the necroflag
they were too busy pushing their group buff agenda
rotund ferry
Druids aswell
gaunt owl
drood always fall flat somehow
tardy crag
As a mage player I agree but also shifting power can die
gaunt owl
we got an intruder boys
tardy crag
Xd
gaunt owl
if you wanna join the gang we need proof you deleted that mage
tardy crag
I transfered it to a dead server to farm battlepets
I play all classes
Reroll every week
I just wanna open the funny vault many time
latent moss
i just wish
they added like
a way to take
whatever piece u want
from m+
cause rn
i have 3 slots to get the only upgrade from m+
what are the chances
compact geyser
the odds are not in ur favor
wicked aurora
I just wish theyâd fix the rage economy
spiral coral
Reroll every week
I love that idea
quaint otter
Guild doesn't appreciate carrying my 12 alts in heroic tho
weak guild should look for another one 
tardy crag
True and real
frigid lava
I think Sidearm needs buff
frigid lava
or that
umbral sluice
fuck mage players
nova marsh
its boring
Remove parry instead
gaunt owl
we need everybody to rename themself to Remove Parry
thats the only way
ape stronker together
dire hinge
grats!
zenith warren
why on fyrakk most people play fueled by violence instead of IP?
gaunt owl
because they lazy
tribal cliff
Itâs a slight dps increase
gaunt owl
Itâs a slight dps increase
why you lying ?
tribal cliff
More rage on attacks equals more damage
zenith warren
ip seems valuable in some stressful moments, and fueled by violence always seemed dog
smoky kayak
Not wrong, though I'd more likely characterize it as "IP is a dps loss" than "Fueled is a DPS increase"
also Defensive Stance exists and you should rarely need both
last inlet
just use D stance, EZ clap
smoky kayak
Fueled makes up a decent amount of healing over time, though I can't say it ever feels particularly impactful on Fyrakk
cold garnet
dstance is huge dps lose
tribal cliff
Yeah since ip doesnât count for your Tom window anymore. It messed up to rotation. I love ip. I hate holding my nuts hoping Iâm pumping enough to stay alive. And arms are squishy enough already. But no doubt using d stance to the pro move.
The* is*. Sorry typing on phone.
smoky kayak
you usually get a pretty good idea of where you need it and where you don't
and with SR/DbtS on top, you shouldn't really feel like you need to use it during CDs or anything either
tribal cliff
But now time for my noob question what mythic + dungeons is augury good for arms. Like none or only if you have the 496 one? Tyrannical or fortified? Doesnât seem to sim well for me but then sometimes it will do like 25 mil damage.
boreal quartz
augury is just good overall if it wont proc dogshit
wouldnt say any dungeon favours it
tribal cliff
Thank you.
gaunt owl
More rage on attacks equals more damage
what you doing with all that extra useless rage ?
tribal cliff
Pumping baby or trying to at least. Key is to try and never cap. Or at least thatâs what Iâm going with until somebody tells me different. I think that is where slam comes in.
latent moss
u will cap outside of exe phase
boreal quartz
its not sl
smoky kayak
Arms does overflow rage, but that doesn't always translate to "use IP freely" either
if you're only using it in a few select places, sure, you can get away with it
tribal cliff
If ms op and whirlwind are o on cd you donât slam? Thatâs what I use it for and I can use a lot of my rage that way.
smoky kayak
Well MS and WW also consume rage, but OP refreshes frequently enough that you don't fall back on Slam all that often
tribal cliff
I agree. But I do use slam more than I would love to when everything else is on cd. And there is a reason we are putting two points into cursing force.
Crushing*
smoky kayak
The reason is because any dps is better than no dps
On average, Slam is used about once every 10 seconds
tribal cliff
Cool cool thank you Archi.
left rose
zenith warren
for some reason I kept using tc over slam last couple bosses, but the difference is probably small af
tribal cliff
They say you donât want to get into the thunder clap trap
smoky kayak
Thunder Clap is fine over Rend to eliminate an excess keybind, but Slam is the better direct damage cast
opal folio
for some reason I kept using tc over slam last couple bosses, but the difference...
Iâd only do this with the bladestorm build when you donât run CF
rare kite
for some reason I kept using tc over slam last couple bosses, but the difference...
for st the difference is prob noticeable enough
smoky kayak
Iâd only do this with the bladestorm build when you donât run CF
We were talking about Fyrakk, so I assume they're talking ST
opal folio
Ah, I missed the original context
smoky kayak
but yeah, with some multitarget builds, that priority will shift a lil
tribal cliff
Thunder clap in mythic plus is huge to make sure rend is applied to everything on big pulls. But yeah we were talking about st
opal folio
I also meant during single target when running that build
But irrelevant for this convo
Since youâre not running bladestorm for fyrakk
zenith warren
I got so used to not press slam at all that I had like a 1-3 casts per boss on st
latent moss
Since youâre not running bladestorm for fyrakk
hurricane + embersoul + pi
150% tom
opal folio
latent moss
- lust
hybrid lily
usually I get 1 invite every 6 hours pugging 28-30 keys. But this week is even worse, I would say around 10 hours for 1 invite (and obviously depleted in the first 2 minutes đ )
modest moss
Meme 18 key with 2 augs
gaunt owl
ok thats heavy griefing
modest moss
1 million sustain on packs was kinda nice
Though fall is a really shit key for that.
latent moss
r1 farming
teal fossil
Rank 1 2s
modest moss
Some meaningless cheese achivement
brittle cosmos
how much haste are you guys rocking ?
brittle cosmos
thank you
shadow ibex
wicked aurora
how much haste are you guys rocking ?
However much the robot man tells me to run
minor gust
Slayer only you heard me
outer holly
Slayer only you heard me
That is the most fitting sentence+pfp combo I have ever
naive breach
If slayer dogshit i uninstall
minor gust
rerolling ret pally if Slayer sucks as much as Colossus
minor gust
its to late
naive breach
Pink forbidden
minor gust
im gonna make hammers fall from the sky
shy tide
I prefer burning them alive with the power of the sun
minor gust
true both are good
naive breach
SURELY warrior meta next expac
sacred zodiac
just play rogue
shy tide
Stop the cope
sacred zodiac
surely one of the three specs is busted
naive breach
Yellow man
sacred zodiac
you should fear her
minor gust
Meanwhile Colossus is is boring %increase nodes while also being rooted in place every 30 seconds
naive breach
Id rather play dk and end myself ingame
sacred zodiac
i mean okay you say that but finding 2s you can channel a root for every 30 seconds isnt the hardest thing to do
minor gust
its not its just annoying
minor gust
Lego axe is ok because its a 2:30 min cd
sacred zodiac
i mean youll probs just play slayer anyways
surely they came up with something more interesting than 5% size for slayer
naive breach
stable fiber
because condemn is the best button ever made
naive breach
Bring back Legion cds
sacred zodiac
i sure enjoyed condemn being literally never relevant in any tier of shadowlands
stable fiber
condemn felt good to push
sacred zodiac
the part where you have the only melee ability in the game that can whiff cause it has an arbitrary delay or the part where you just werent a relevant spec while you had it
minor gust
condemn can stay in SL tbh
sacred zodiac
they did the right thing bringing the animation forward and leaving it in the dirt
sacred zodiac
ye true
minor gust
thanks to the animation
naive breach
Windwalker time boys
sacred zodiac
but it looks cool
naive breach
I feel it
sacred zodiac
i mean the delay isnt tied to the animation
ornate eagle
It is
strange perch
Bring back Legion cds
Real and true. AM affects reck and avatar and reck has 100% crit chance
minor gust
how is it not xd
sacred zodiac
cause they can decouple it real quick
ornate eagle
Massacre causes the delay of execute
sacred zodiac
they just dont bother
ornate eagle
Without condemn animation execute happens quicker and can't be cancelled mid cast
sacred zodiac
i mean yeah that is how its implemented rn but there is no technical reason for it
quasi torrent
only cool thing about condemn anim is the sweep when SS is up
opal folio
naive breach
ornate eagle
magic canopy
Massacre causes the delay of execute
god i hate this
so much
i must be stylish
but at what cost
hexed saddle
delay is always there pretty sure
shadow ibex
only if u talent mass
can probably get around delay in ST by using sweeping
idr if it still has sweep animation even if only 1 target in range
hexed saddle
is it an arms only thing? i was pretty sure it was both specs
shadow ibex
i havent played fury in months. i know they got the 2h overhead animation but idk about delay
hexed saddle
but im not seeing a diff between mass vs no mass for fury
shadow ibex
the arms execute without mass is a fast strike in front of you
it might be same as OP tbh
hexed saddle
hexed saddle
can prob just sim it with gear compar
couldnt tell you off the top of my head
prob like ~10%?
maybe more
reef glade
insert the copy paste.
outer holly
I was curious, 14k DPS diff for me
hexed saddle
insert the copy paste.
bad weapon 22k sim dps 50mil damage in keys xan skyhold yellow name twitter warrior egirl slayer silver junkrat in ow2
outer holly
paper gulch
Hey what's the % damage gain between a 486 wep and fyralath
I think its covered in the pins. I think its about 10-12% for 486 like you mentioned and like 5-10 for 489 weapon depending on the stats. Also depends how you use the axe if you can funnel or not.
strange perch
I think its covered in the pins. I think its about 10-12% for 486 like you menti...
Thanks!
fringe moon
I think its covered in the pins. I think its about 10-12% for 486 like you menti...
Itâs about 5%
fickle nexus
whats the trick to accidently getting invited to a weekly vault key this week
outer holly
join a group that already has a pally
tribal cliff
Gotta run your own keys itâs the way of life for warriors right now. Takes twice as much work but at least you arenât bored waiting for invites.
But yâall got me curious about animations earlier and is it bad to use glyph if hawk feast?
Of*
rare kite
But yâall got me curious about animations earlier and is it bad to use glyph if ...
don't think so, i use it. not really noticed anything wrong, then again not really tried checking for bugs either
worldly kernel
just helped a friends guild with 300 pulls on smold and we clear it in like 15 pulls
the amount of excitement i heard from them was pretty epic lol
obtuse copper
bad weapon 22k sim dps 50mil damage in keys xan skyhold yellow name twitter warr...
B-B-B-BASED?!
strange perch
arms owns
full widget
steep osprey
If you cancel Demolish youâre not a real warrior
smoky kayak
just hope they don't make it cancelled by moving đ the old eye beam problem
frigid lava
what's demolish
frigid lava
when's next season
boreal quartz
1.5 clearly
frigid lava
that's hmmm 5 months away at least
I've been back in WoW 3rd week now... and at 485
not much to do... other than trying to get aotc and chasing high io but im not so inclined to to
guess no subscription renewal for this guy
hazy flower
Fated s4
frigid lava
what u mean fated s4
hazy flower
We will have fated after s3 and before tww
wintry scroll
what u mean fated s4
Recycling old content + a couple of new abilities
steep osprey
just hope they don't make it cancelled by moving đ the old eye beam problem
You can move while Eye Beaming, albeit very slowly lol
smoky kayak
Yes, but you didn't used to be able to and it would automatically cancel if you tried to move
hence the old eye beam problem
paper gulch
I dont think youll be allowed to move. I think preventing stuns and movements justifies this opinion.
magic canopy
hopefully itll be you have to cancelaura and or hit escape
steep osprey
cancelling it would probably tank your dps lmao
paper gulch
No way
steep osprey
paper gulch
I mean i hope so too but too many people gonna QQ
Demolish looks fun; gets me excited for what slayer will be
Im still hoping for a bloodlust. Or a buff to drums.
Just to help us get into m+ more.
steep osprey
Ain't no way that's gonna be anything to do with lust
gaunt owl
Spoiler it wont
steep osprey
Hero talents aren't abilities
all of them have been passives so far
They're just buffing different abilities
they said Slayer would buff execute
smoky kayak
It should also reduce your damage taken by 90%
that'd be interesting, but would result in way too much cheese
also you'd never actually get to use the ability for damage again, you'd be on mechanics forever
smoky kayak
Hero talents aren't abilities
Demolish is an ability đ
But no, Warriors aren't getting Lust unless it comes in the class tree, which I highly doubt
heady smelt
@smoky kayak you think blizz will change demolish rooting us after it being hated by literally every single person in azeroth?
smoky kayak
maybe but I doubt it
heady smelt
i was really hoping for your interpretation, it being like bladestorm. i could def see it slowing us too but damn i didn't expect full on root
smoky kayak
Yeah, I'm kinda surprised that its a full stop, but still not sure its as bad as people make it out to be
Fyr'alath very rarely actually gets people killed, idk that Demolish will either - especially if its hasted, that's only like 1.4s of dead time
heady smelt
if it hits like an uncapped truck, i mean, we won't complain that much
gaunt owl
I will
frigid lava
love me yazma...
smoky kayak
granted you'll use Demolish a lot more frequently than Fyr'alath, but unless there's a slew of encounters where it's legitimately unusable, I doubt they'll change it no matter how many people complain
heady smelt
yeah i was curious about the frequency we use it, so we only get the CDR if we're at full stacks?
gaunt owl
Yeah thats the thing
reef glade
Itâs like⌠5-10 seconds of cdr if that
not gonna mean shit tbh
less in execute possibly too
heady smelt
so 1.5 second root every 30 seconds and we hope it hits hard
steep osprey
Demolish is an ability đ
Damn, I don't know how I messed up this badly
smoky kayak
the CDR mechanic is mostly there to reinforce crit as the primary stat
steep osprey
Fyr'alath very rarely actually gets people killed, idk that Demolish will either...
It's also faster channel than Fyralath, it's baseline 3s right?
and they said Demolish would be 2s
smoky kayak
correct
steep osprey
so that's like very fast cast time with decent haste
I'm kinda torn on this, I wanna see the impact of the ability's animations properly but on the other hand faster animation is better
it also means that you won't see the animation properly if it's fast
paper gulch
Ain't no way that's gonna be anything to do with lust
I never said a hero talent. Im saying in general.
steep osprey
I never said a hero talent. Im saying in general.
We'll see but I don't see them letting us have Lust
smoky kayak
not gonna mean shit tbh
you need 10 stacks before you start getting CDR, gaining 1 stack per MS
- currently, it takes around 25-35s to get 10 stacks (slightly less if we start talenting Exhil Blows), which means you'd only actually get ~5-10s of CDR before it came off cooldown anyway
- crits give double stacks though, so the more you crit, the quicker you reach 10 stacks and can start gaining CDR
smoky kayak
so that's like very fast cast time with decent haste
if it is hasted, yes, 25-50% haste is 1.6-1.3s channel
steep osprey
I'm having Legion rampage ptsd
smoky kayak
it also means that you won't see the animation properly if it's fast
animations are also hasted
Legion Rampage wasn't properly hasted, that was its problem; but it wasn't a channel either, so it just clipped the GCD
steep osprey
it was 2 seconds flat
paper gulch
Yep
smoky kayak
it wasn't really slow, since you could start another GCD while it was still going
steep osprey
but you could see the animation clearly, right now it's very fast that you can barely tell what happened
smoky kayak
in fact, clipping Rampage was a major gameplay strat
I don't think that's true, but the actual animation was longer then too - it used to be 5 hits, now it's only 4
steep osprey
in fact, clipping Rampage was a major gameplay strat
Using your macro right before the last 2 hits?
paper gulch
Yeah. I think it was before they changed animations too
smoky kayak
You didn't need a macro, but yeah, you just pressed another button once the GCD was up
paper gulch
So it was that 5 swing dance
steep osprey
Well, macro meaning Reck/Bloodbath/Avatar
smoky kayak
can't wait till Legion Classic so I can bring back the good tech
paper gulch
Long way to go for legion classic
steep osprey
I think it might be MoP for me, Cata since i've never played it
smoky kayak
Cata was a really good time for Warriors
paper gulch
Very good. Pvp was very fun too
smoky kayak
they didn't have as much OP tuning as some previous expansions, but actual gameplay wise, Warriors were eatin real nice
steep osprey
Wasn't fury meh in cata
smoky kayak
It had a tier or two
hazy flower
Arms in cata
hazy flower
Was one of the best dps
steep osprey
It was also pretty fun imo
I miss CS resets
BS also gave you a huge aoe burst
and i don't think many specs had that
smoky kayak
Arms was kinda strong at the end, it definitely wasn't top 5 the whole way through though
actually I think Fury got kinda strong at the very end too, but I could be misremembering
steep osprey
Could you dual wield gurthalak?
smoky kayak
but my point was about design, idgaf about tuning - a lot of that is likely to change anyway
steep osprey
Yeah, cataclysm was the start of better class design imo
You got mastery, raging blow, Colossus Smash
smoky kayak
I think more that Wrath was a big turning point, but it all came added on at the end
Cata redid everything from the beginning
steep osprey
It was the start but it still had a lot of boring gameplay, one button spam for example
or using abilities on cd like fury did
BT, Whirlwind, and the occassional slam with instant cast
smoky kayak
does Fury not use abilities on CD now? I don't think that's really a bad thing
steep osprey
Heroic Strike too
smoky kayak
Does Arms not, for that matter? Lmao
steep osprey
Yeah but it has more interactions right now aside from that
Arms has interactions like OP resetting MS, Tactitian, CS CDR
Have you played wotlk classic?
molten crane
aight fr do these crafting necklaces drop from the white hunt bags?
has anyone else even had troulbe getting one?
outer holly
I stared at the monitor for several minutes contemplating if it was worth the price in the ah
exotic kestrel
i think i only started leveling a warrior back in cata, (blood elves could finally be warriors ) Might pre level something and see how it realy feels tbh
smoky kayak
Have you played wotlk classic?
yes and a lot of interactions exist there too
sudden death, taste for blood, bloodsurge
astral yarrow
Taste for blood bangs 
smoky kayak
and they made it even better in Cata
steep osprey
Doesn't Cata have AoE rend with TC
I kinda dislike stance changing to use abilities like OP
exotic kestrel
did Cata have stance dancing?
odd ledge
Bois
bronze mountain
did Cata have stance dancing?
yes
odd ledge
exotic kestrel
odd ledge
exotic kestrel
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/mar/08/akira-toriyama-dragon-ball-creator...
In most games i kina only like stance dancing if the stance change is the result of an attack allowing u to flow and combo between em. altho i guess i havent even tried it in wow
molten crane
you mean like ff14 monk?
exotic kestrel
never played ff14 đ was more thnking bout karakuri staff in wild hearts, if uve ever heard of that
molten crane
not once ever lol
instead of a combo system like other melee classes in ff14, monk changes stances every time they use an attack. and each of their attacks requires a stance to use
exotic kestrel
its a hidden gem
molten crane
so it's like a flowing system you change up depending on what happens with each gcd
exotic kestrel
Sounds about right yeh
vapid goblet
you mean like ff14 monk?
that game go so watered down its unreal
look what they did to my boi
kaiten and smn
tiny burrow
Hi, i have trouble playing arms at higher keys like +23 (can't imagine going higher). was playing DHT +23 yday and i was one shot at iLVL 480. not sure if the iLVL is still low and not 485-687 or something else but on mushrooms after first boss i one one shot. We timed the key but i died 3-4 times. my point is is it bad positioning which clearly it might be or iLVL is low and can't avoid one shot kill from trash mobs... maybe fury might be better aternative with 2x2h more stamina?
proud plover
bad moveement
those mushies will 1 shot so you need to bait and move before the damage goes out
having more stam isnt going to keep you alive, find a nice M+ weak aura pack and it tells you when theey are spawning
exotic kestrel
In general fury is gonna be easier to live on, but its by no means impossible as Arms. As BigDan said nothing is gonna save u if u stand in the shrooms so its just learning the dungeon there đ
tiny burrow
that is good to know, thanks guys. @proud plover can you point me to a WA like that?
proud plover
yeah
proud plover
that is good to know, thanks guys. <@242096763383578624> can you point me to a W...
https://wago.io/dfdungeons - its a pretty big weak aura though
tiny burrow
@proud plover thanks
frigid lava
Hi, i have trouble playing arms at higher keys like +23 (can't imagine going hig...
what's one shotting u?
tiny burrow
When playing with mass stun as Arms what do you give up from Warrior skill tree mostly?
tiny burrow
what's one shotting u?
mushrooms green shit explosion, i'm trying to stay near them
tiny burrow
just don't get hit. alive = more dps
agree on that đ
frigid lava
I shoot for the least dmg taken throught the dungeon
throughout*
Used to get a decent healing for dps too but that was when I was fury
I think arms is just more fun this season
Just not a fan of annihilator
compact geyser
ppl think fury is live lord but arms way better. just gotta play smarter and never stop repositioning to stop as much u can so u dont have to waste a cd to live something then be fucked when u really need it. dont be greedy with dstance and ip either that dr adds up over the run. and cheese with 2nd wind if ur feeling froggy
exotic kestrel
Fury is objectively better at living against everything other then parry-able damage
the only thing arms has over fury is possibly being able to stack up IP against big hits, but that takes alot of time and no dmg in between
hazy flower
Arguably
Fury still is better vs those
Actually not even an argument
Fury has 10% dr against everything and not just 10% against aoe
That + extra hp
Realistically you can stack max x2 IP in most scenarios
exotic kestrel
yup
hazy flower
And thats provided you dont fuck up and lose your prev stack(s) by not having enough rage for 3rd one
In some scenarios itâs impossible to go past 1 stack (dht 3rd boss as an example)
exotic kestrel
Honestly the only scenario where arms is tankier is if ur rip aggro and u can dbts
which is so insanely niche
hazy flower
It happens quite often with the vdh meta
But still is not an argument in fury vs arms debate
exotic kestrel
hazy flower
That doesnt mean arms is not tanky on its own
Ive seen people clowning here saying how arms is not tanky
exotic kestrel
its only not tanky if u compare it to the god live specs like retri or fury
Arms is completely fine defensively
hazy flower
Its still tanky
Just not their level
Ye
I managed to survive 3rd boss 29 tyra tot
exotic kestrel
i think people equate tankyness to passive DR
hallow vale
i consistently leave timed dungeons with least dmg taken in the group. Long live offgcd 20%DR.
hazy flower
I had to get a bit more versa for that one
But I survived it
Without doing cringe shit like sitting in d stance perma
hallow vale
you dont need to be in def stance perma
astral yarrow
some would say you only need to sit in def stance when you are about to take damage
exotic kestrel
true and based
hallow vale
thats why stance swapping is off the gcd
hazy flower
Well sure not perma but thereâs lots of damage going on consistently there
Which is where sr comes in handy
exotic kestrel
thats why stance swapping is off the gcd
holy shit imagine if it was on the gcd
hazy flower
If you get the reflect
exotic kestrel
đ¤˘
astral yarrow
If you get the reflect
canyou reflect the slap from xavius in dht?
hazy flower
canyou reflect the slap from xavius in dht?
Only bolt
astral yarrow
F
hazy flower
Shit nuked me yday
astral yarrow
its not a cool boss
astral yarrow
in general i kinda dislike really high keys
hallow vale
pre BFA dungeons suck in general
astral yarrow
but 28s is kinda the sweetspot where shit is dangerous but not oneshotting you yet (outside few tyr bosses)
scenic umbra
signal marsh
i dont know what im doing wrong, tried multiple different stat combinations, running the same talent builds and rotation and still getting beat by 20-335k dps single target by another arms warr
i even have augury and he doesnt
exotic kestrel
either ur still doing something wrong, or i the very very very edge case , crit dif?
astral yarrow
its some massive crit diff for it to be 35k dps
astral yarrow
he means "number of crits on important abilities"
signal marsh
oh lemme check
astral yarrow
if the other guy crit 80% of his MS casts during execute, aint much you can do to outplay that
signal marsh
he didnt crit a whole lot more times than i did
asked him and he was also doing exe exe op op ms
astral yarrow
thats kinda wrong anyhow
signal marsh
nobody was logging unfortunatley, just been joining random pugs to test different stats builds but i always end up short. Also, why are ppl running low crit in m+ but very high ammounts in raid?
astral yarrow
i dont think anyone is purposefully running low crit anywhere
you are way too hung up on stats i guess
exotic kestrel
nobody was logging unfortunatley, just been joining random pugs to test differen...
if u didnt log how do u know he was doing more dps?
oh wait im dumb, ur talking bout m+?
astral yarrow
Delete aug
exotic kestrel
yeh if ur going off details and theres an aug, theres ur answer
especially in raid an aug can easily add like 30k dps
signal marsh
Im the one who had augury
Oh you mean augumentation evo. There wasnt one. And i was testing in normal raid. Tested 3 different stat builds on volcross
The other warr had sandglass and the vers trinket from brh
signal marsh
Tbh past week ive seen quite a few warrior not using augury but going with sandglass+pips or something else
quasi torrent
Oh you mean augumentation evo. There wasnt one. And i was testing in normal raid...
you tested 3 diff builds with sample size ONE each?
umbral sluice
Let him cook
signal marsh
I simmed to see what the best gear i had was in bags and then i checked warcraftlogs and such to see what statweights people were running
quasi torrent
im sorry but does your country not teach basic statistic methods in middle school?
strange perch
I simmed to see what the best gear i had was in bags and then i checked warcraft...
what
quasi torrent
I simmed to see what the best gear i had was in bags and then i checked warcraft...
stop
barely anyone can actually influence """what stat weights""" theyre running
youre kinda bound to what items you got from vault
signal marsh
Gems
Enchants
Recrafting my ring etc to grt closer to whatever stats the higest logs had
strange perch
but thats not how it works
signal marsh
Never said i was the brighest star. Just trying to figure out where im fucking up
quasi torrent
if you arent logging so you can actually review what youre doing
thats a starting point
minor crater
Never said i was the brighest star. Just trying to figure out where im fucking u...
In copying other peoples stats
Thats were you are doing it wrong
signal marsh
Ye i guess i was rushing it. Better to keep simming and smashing dummys then?
minor crater
Sim yourself and do dungeons
strange perch
yeah no point copying other peoples stats when they have different gear compared to you
signal marsh
I should be more thorough too with gem options in sim
signal marsh
Yeah i guess. Its hard to mimic too when they have fyralath wich give haste crit while i have gorehowl
quasi torrent
which in the grand scheme of things will not make or break your perf.
quasi torrent
Yeah i guess. Its hard to mimic too when they have fyralath wich give haste crit...
its not a vacuum
signal marsh
Yeah
sacred zodiac
Yeah i guess. Its hard to mimic too when they have fyralath wich give haste crit...
You are so significantly overthinking this its silly
umbral sluice
Robot fuck good
quasi torrent
Robot fuck good
hot
sacred zodiac
Listen to anda he is big smarter and took middle school math statistics
quasi torrent
i actually took university level statistics too đł
signal marsh
Yeah yeah there no need to win comedy points in telling me how wrong i am, just asking where im fucking up.
quasi torrent
(i wish i could forget)
sacred zodiac
i actually took university level statistics too đł
I passed the 90% fail rate stochastics class first try B)
halcyon breach
I passed the 90% fail rate stochastics class first try B)
sacred zodiac
Siebmodul for a Module that lehrämtler must take moment
signal marsh
Yeah yeah im horrible at maths. Didnt even finish school, have pretty massive add
quasi torrent
Siebmodul for a Module that lehrämtler must take moment
we hate lehrämtler
( we dont )
sacred zodiac
Lehrämtler are kings on earth
sacred zodiac
We're not making fun of you big man
quasi torrent
i was just asking (in a toxic way) where you got the ideas to compare this stuff from
signal marsh
Doesnt make me stupid though. Im here asking for advice, no need to be condecending. Being bad at math isnt the emd of the world.
From nowhere, im just very impulsive
But hey i still managed to start and run 2 companies, and my kids havent died yet so my slow math brain works great in some cases. But regarding how to make my sword slap harder im completley lost
halcyon breach
wtf is this tangent man
quasi torrent
if youre self admittedly bad at math (which is fine?) then maybe its best to not try to come up with a stoch model on how to optimize your character
when all the tools are already laid bare
its just not up your alley, according to you
strange perch
what happened
quasi torrent
I cant even smh my head
smh my mage
strange perch
we went from robots to building companies
daring heron
dont copy other people's stats, just use raidbots top gear and you'll find the best combination of gear/gems/enchants etc that you have available to your character
even the biggest brain cant beat a top gear sim
so dont bother
signal marsh
Well like i said i tried simming, went with what the sim reccomendezd, gpt dusted by a similarly geared warrior, tried getting to the stats he got, made it worse so i was looking for more approaches
halcyon breach
Stats are typically the last place to look at when you compare your performance
quasi torrent
the game is not just stats
daring heron
if you got dusted then likely it's a skill issue and/or he outgeared you
halcyon breach
He could've just also straight up played better than you
quasi torrent
i have dogshit stats on my arms, yet i perform okay on it when i play it once in a blue moon
(press MS)
signal marsh
Idk we had the same rotation, similar stats, same uptime on rend etc etc
quasi torrent
didnt you say you didnt log?
halcyon breach
What does that change if he doesn't tell you as you're doing the fight
strange perch
it has nothing to do with rotation tho
umbral sluice
Itâs a good trinket for arms but wonât make or break your dps
boreal quartz
Idk we had the same rotation, similar stats, same uptime on rend etc etc
Rend uptime shouldnt be a metric ever
Not anymore anyways
Gearing never enables random big dps gaps
Bar lego
signal marsh
Yeah idk i guess i just got frustrated cause i felt like i was regressing in dps by alot
halcyon breach
You regress by overthinking it this much
gaunt owl
Follow prio
halcyon breach
If you really care about improving, log your raid kills, compare what you're doing to what higher parsing people do, think less about your stats to this extent and just top gear sim yourself with what items you have and use whatever the best setup is
signal marsh
Prob fked myself over by having a bad fight and then rushing back and forth to recraft and resocket
Youre right i just need to slow down and do it methodically
boreal quartz
It's mainly playing well and then comes gear fixes after
signal marsh
Been rushing and overthinking. Also got confused looking at the stat differences between m+arms warrs and the top parsing raid ones
boreal quartz
As long as you dont have their exact item options it's pointless to compare anyways
signal marsh
Im very average skill wise. 3k rating.
Yeah makes sense. I was tweaking what i had with gems and recrafting
gaunt owl
Rating isnt a good mettic to judge a player skill
strange perch
plenty of dogshit fire mages at 3.7
umbral sluice
Fuck mages
strange perch
Fuck mages
signal marsh
Also true
quasi torrent
mage btw
quasi torrent
:3
boreal quartz
M+ rating and raid parses are 2 different things
We had a title haver magus be horseshit in raid
signal marsh
Well, im very mechanically sound but when it comes to the other stuff wich should be obvious by now im now very good
quasi torrent
M+ rating and raid parses are 2 different things
theres definetly an overlap in good m+ and good raid players/parsers
but its not 1:1
not even close to 1:1
boreal quartz
theres definetly an overlap in good m+ and good raid players/parsers
but its no...
I mean yea if you do lorge dam in keys you probably can in raid
Also living content
daring heron
Well, im very mechanically sound but when it comes to the other stuff wich shoul...
man i dont even speak this highly of myself
learn to be critical of yourself
quasi torrent
||every good player i know says theyre dogshit themselves tbh||
daring heron
^
boreal quartz
||every good player i know says theyre dogshit themselves tbh||
I agree you are dogshit
signal marsh
man i dont even speak this highly of myself
I said i was mechanically sound but bad at the rest wdym
quasi torrent
I agree you are dogshit
entirely correct
halcyon breach
The W not being a T in the last now
umbral sluice
Iâm gonna use âvery mechanically soundâ on my resume
signal marsh
Jesus. What phrasing would you have used then?
gaunt owl
Anda is a fraud
umbral sluice
Buff warrior
gaunt owl
Wich boss is that
ornate eagle
its allstars
gaunt owl
I failed so miserably this week
Had a potential 100 for fyrakk
Off course the colossus mechanic was fumbled
daring heron
<@229446360284397570> <@235809563490779136> đ˘
I'll have to play more arms
this week was a full fury reclear
ornate eagle
shy tide
make sure to solo all the adds on gnarlroot, chains on igira and all the adds on larodar and fyrak
ban anyone else to do aoe
btw we had a BM hunter pumping so much fcking aoe on tindral
gaunt owl
For Larry the secret is to get some fun times on bramble
shy tide
that the roots died before the dragon bombers came down
gaunt owl
btw we had a BM hunter pumping so much fcking aoe on tindral
Call the police
shy tide
nah he had to go full aoe spec
otherwise healers would mald for fcking up the timings for healing
since the boss would phase too fast
they really did murder tindral
hazy flower
ban anyone else to do aoe
Tell dh hes forbidden to use essb and ds/bd while adds are alive and tell fury to go jugg