Leggo feels ok to push
#arms
slow saddle
restive sorrel
I mean they could remove TOM...doesnt change the fact that itd still feel like shit to play
shadow ibex
i dont hate or love tom. slotted or not my prio is p much the same minus the execute optimization
its just there
modest marlin
If Demolish looks cool to use, that's all I want
molten crane
execute optimization?
olive nest
Vertical bladestorm when 
restive sorrel
TOM isnt something that you actually feel, its just anti-synergistic with something like Demolish and has obvious clashes in design. But its probably for the best(design wise) if they removed TOM anyway
molten crane
vertical bladestorm is for their new ninja class they're gonna make 2 expacks from now
modest marlin
Hopefully Arhcimtiros isn't too mad that Demolish is gonna root warriors, though this sounds like FoF at first and we all know what happened there
rare kite
eyebeam feels good to press and that's a channel, if it feels as good as eyebeam we take those
slow saddle
I hate tom only for dmg curvw
fresh tide
You want to spend rage for AM anyway, so unless they remove/gut AM I think it's gonan feel bad either way
slow saddle
Demo could be that cds on cds big boom button
molten crane
eyebeam feels good for DH because they literally just push t heir buttons on cd
slow saddle
Am isnt to big
rare kite
eyebeam feels good for DH because they literally just push t heir buttons on cd
it feels good coz it looks/sounds great and does a bunch of damage. simple as that
slow saddle
Its only for cs. So playing iftk
restive sorrel
eyebeam also gives DH meta, sometimes gives haste if theyre playing the talent. And DH eyebeaming for like....what 1 sec? Isnt usuall an issue because they have so much mobility that if they have to move right away to dodge something, they can usually just fel rush out ez
modest marlin
that's something that can be feedbacked once we can actually play with hero talents in alpha
fresh tide
if the channel is really hated they could always make it a rampage-like ability
shadow ibex
axe tom and only iftk and every cast should be lining up with a CS cast with AM
more haste isnt bad
slow saddle
axe tom and only iftk and every cast should be lining up with a CS cast with AM
This pls yes
molten crane
stand still swing dum is.. warrior fantasy?
slow saddle
Big swing dum
shadow ibex
"Mechanically, Colossus will aim to deliver some of the biggest melee hits around, and sometimes those big hits come from knowing precisely when and where to hit their target for maximum effectiveness."
modest marlin
I mean that's thematically what Colossus Smash started as haha
shadow ibex
I like that at least
the hardest hitting melee hits part i mean
the rest is just the arms spec tree description
shadow ibex
i just wish they would give us rough idea of how much % AP they are aiming for
restive sorrel
I mean I dont get how the ability changes thematically if they instead made it like a 1 sec fixed channel that didnt root you and you could still interrupt during it. Doesnt sound any less "colossus" to me
slow saddle
Idm a cost benefit
restive sorrel
just A LOT more practical and more enjoyable to press
slow saddle
And if channel is 1 sec.. dmg has to be lower
molten crane
in melee
modest marlin
given the entire colossus tree is crit oriented, I hope so
next sphinx
I swear everytime I pug mythic vault I get to broodkeeper Diurna and the group falls apart >:[. I just want my lightning shoulders q.q
modest marlin
Hopefully Slayer isn't a totally different stat priority in case there's any dungeon/raid bosses that never hit execute range
My guess is it's going to replace execute with a different ability after you Smash/Recklessness.
restive sorrel
I mean I couldnt care less how "thematic" something is if it ends up feeling shit to press and has obvious design issues interacting with meaningful content and mechanics. Weird how they managed to design all the other hero trees/abilities to be perfectly thematic without obvious downsides that can potentially kill you or lead to other unfortunate events 
modest marlin
I mean I couldnt care less how "thematic" something is if it ends up feeling shi...
slap on a 50% damage reduction like Uppies has, easy
or whatever value ultimate penintence has
tender geyser
restive sorrel
they made killing spree(currently still a dogshit ability for outlaw tho) make you take whatever damage you might have took while you didnt have control of your character, instead be taken over 8 seconds. Could also maybe do something like that
tender geyser
why does it say 2 hours
if server is shutting down
stupid game baited me
to think there is more time
wispy kettle
give demolish hard iframes 
shadow ibex
they made killing spree(currently still a dogshit ability for outlaw tho) make y...
thats pretty clever actually
and could fit on the defensive node in the hero tree
restive sorrel
Like they wanna call it "thematic" to design the ability like that....ok, then I think its pretty "thematic" for me to take like 50% less damage during it and have the damage be converted to a x sec dot then. Then I might entertain the idea of it not being awful
hardy olive
And still not getting the axe ……
modest marlin
2s is pretty short I feel
shadow ibex
its about as long as the lego channel is for most ppl
nova marsh
I am gonna bet
That my fucking ret
Will get it their like 3rd week
ig I know what my main for S4 is
tender geyser
wtf it logged me out 30 secs earlier
i got scammed
this game is trash
why the fuck do they do the maintenance at 4 am
nova marsh
Because it's EU
And tbh a lot of games I play besides wow do maintence at some ungodly hour at night
modest marlin
cause it's 6pm PST, and the devs are doing the resets and go home
Remember, there's like no EU teams anymore
shadow ibex
making shield set macro that swaps to shield to shield slam and generate extra stacks of colossal might 
better idea let colossus warrior equip shield in offhand with 2hander
nova marsh
We are not becoming spartans lol
Would be neat
I mean, being able to spend rage on shield block and use shield slam thou
🤔
Is it a cook?
shadow ibex
i want to juggle 94 button priority list
let me use shield in offhand and shield slam ez blizz
nova marsh
YES WE NEED MORE BUTTONS
Arms has too little
Blizz look
My arms bar has missing buttons we can't have that!
rare kite
what's that on your screen
wicked aurora
Annoying as hell that the legendary does this…
wicked aurora
what's that on your screen
Dn
rare kite
whats dn
wicked aurora
Deez nuts
rare kite
gottem
misty bridge
they're -trying- to not make it similar to the legendary
wicked aurora
But it’s exactly that lol
misty bridge
Yeah, I'm just gonna wait and see what they cook up
shadow ibex
a colossus player will have to think tactically about when and where to use it
next line: you want to use it as soon as it is avaliable
wicked aurora
I can’t wait for me to hit the button and the tank to move the mob out of range mid cast
restive sorrel
next line: you want to use it as soon as it is avaliable
best part LUL
shadow ibex
use this ability on cooldown. also
this ability requires thought
and care regarding its use and that is part of the flavor
smoky kayak
if the colossal might stuff works out, it's possible that delaying it to build another stack isn't actually much of a loss
tender geyser
the server is down what do i do now
smoky kayak
if CS/ToM survive, we might want to hold regardless (like early SkS)
minor gust
I fucking knew it Slayer will save warrior
modest marlin
I can't imagine CS ever going away.
smoky kayak
I can't imagine CS ever going away.
I don't think it'll go away, but the functionality could change in some unforeseen ways
nova marsh
Like I genuinely can't imagine them just taking away something that's so key and kinda iconic to warrior
smoky kayak
- with ToM, we might not want to use Demolish during CS for obvious reasons
- without ToM, we might use it during CS
- if something else changes, we might not
nova marsh
Maybe AM yeah, but not C no way
misty bridge
I hope TOM dies painfully
smoky kayak
CS has changed several times already over the course of its existence, thinking it might again isn't outside the realm of possibilty
restive sorrel
I love when the flavor of using an ability that is supposed to do a lot of damage, is that I could die if I use it...but im incentivized to press it as often as possible and it will feel bad every time I have to hold it for 2, 3, 4+ sec numerous times during an encounter or key or w/e
shadow ibex
the stacks increasing OP/bleed dmg is consolation for holding it
restive sorrel
im sure it will feel like a really really good consolation prize if the ability actually does do a fuck ton of damage(like it will need to)
shadow ibex
CS was in cata
restive sorrel
shadow ibex
CS has been around for cata
modest marlin
was it a different name then?
shadow ibex
idr when it went arms only but it was for both specs in MoP idk about legion/wod
nova marsh
We need demo
To be TOP DAMAGE
I'm talking EVREY HIT is as hard if not harder then MS
That crit
Without critting
shadow ibex
back in cata it was different in that it caused dmg to ignore all armor
then they switched to just flat dmg inc
modest marlin
back in cata it was different in that it caused dmg to ignore all armor
I mean that's how it was initially done in 6.0.1 too. The wowhead changelog just doesn't have the tooltips prior to WoD
nova marsh
is warrior always trash on launch?
modest marlin
depends on how good the class was in the last patch of the expac I'd say
oh how much it sucked to be prot in S1 of Shadowlands
shadow ibex
CN was probably only time you could say it was trash on launch
if u mean patch launch, arms was p down bad for first 9? weeks of this patch. idr when we got that tuning
nova marsh
I mean on xpack launch
Yeah nath was....really really bad
I remeber playing fury as the worst class in the entire game for boss damage....in raid
I just want warrior to feel great again man.
minor gust
Slayer will save us trust
nova marsh
It's just gonna be condemm man
shadow ibex
slayer just needs to make jugg stacks decay slowly outside of combat
shadow ibex
if they did that then they would be paying attention
minor gust
whats to hate about condemn its just execute but u can use at the start of the fight aswell
restive sorrel
I pray slayer is actually cool and good
nova marsh
Tbh I just think it's both creativily bankrupt, it did less damage then normal execute, had a huge penality on jugg (or ashen jugg), and just kinda....didn't feel good to press to me
That
verbal inlet
Finally got the axe, AND augruy tonight gents..
sacred zodiac
king
nova marsh
And I don't want a talent tree based around yet another concept we've already seen before that people didn't really like (Coll)
Fyr the talent tree is the most mid idea ever
minor gust
I feel like Slayer tree could improve condemn a lot with it being execute focused but tbh I agree I dont want condemn back just because I like execute being an end of the fight push fills the fantasy perfectly
nova marsh
Yeah, I think condemm takes away from that idea too much, ontop of just feeling weaker overall
sacred zodiac
was condemn even execute based
ig recycling ashen can technically call it execute based
shadow ibex
was just bad frankly
the first 80% passes so fast
if they wanted to let us execute above 35% should just let us use it anytime
nova marsh
Yeah having it at the first 80% was a horrible decision because....evreyone pops CDs and 90% of bosses that aren't like
restive sorrel
the only downside is I can already see slayer being the one youll be more likely to play for raid and col for m+. And I am slightly worried about if the tree is based too much around execute that it makes it essentially pigeonholed into being a raid tree, or that they lean heavily into pushing even more damage into execute(and lowering damage outside of execute even more) but dont make the spec/tree do strong enough execute to be actually good.
karmic fiber
was it a different name then?
nah always was called Colossus Smash, it just made you ignore all the targets armour. had like a 20s cd and reset from melee hits for arms iirc, also had a very short duration.
shadow ibex
i think it was like 6 seconds
karmic fiber
yeah
modest marlin
odd that wowhead lost the talent version
minor gust
the only downside is I can already see slayer being the one youll be more likely...
they could give execute an aoe effect in the tree to make it M+ useful basically add the Season 3 arms tierset into it while also increasing SD procs
sacred zodiac
ah fuck what was the useless condemn talent called
modest marlin
I miss condemn
nova marsh
Harrow something
shadow ibex
if the s3 tier doesnt get recycled into slayer i would be surprised
sacred zodiac
the one that increased execute damage by 2% per enemy around you
wary raft
harrowing punishment
nova marsh
Like I said
sacred zodiac
bring back harrowing punishment !!!!
nova marsh
I want at least ONE FUCKING TREE
modest marlin
Wouldn't shock me to see slayer readd the execute above 85% range
shadow ibex
i would just rather it have a mechanic to enable execute to be cast above 35%
nova marsh
But I mean for arms
sacred zodiac
i will reroll if slayer drops and it says above 80%
shadow ibex
like forcing an SD proc p much
olive nest
rework dance of death
nova marsh
Rework like half our talents
I genuinely think arms should feel like a new class by the time they're d one with it 
We'll do huge sustain and burst
sacred zodiac
uh huh
nova marsh
wary raft
remember when they nerfed it by 75%
nova marsh
Was harrowing ever even good lol
sacred zodiac
was a choice you could make in m+ but then you're playing venthyr in m+ what the fuck are you doing
hexed saddle
Was harrowing ever even good lol
it was busted during beta
restive sorrel
what if they made a version of unhinged for the slayer tree but instead it transformed BS into a different, better ability that like...toss out a flurry of executes to all the enemies around you and each execute applied CS at 50% effectiveness 
nova marsh
being a "raid focused player"
hexed saddle
8% per target up to 40%
it was so good
for aoe
and they literally just ruined it
shadow ibex
idk wtf they were thinking with us s1 of SL
hexed saddle
unusable for the rest of the xpac
shadow ibex
just did 0 dmg
and never got addressed
meanwhile DKs with prenerf AMZ
just being the most insane plate dps ever
sacred zodiac
wdym designing a fight perfectly for the niche of one specific spec in the game and that spec being middle of the pack on that fight at best is a design catastrophe
tender geyser
Does anyone know how to make my frames horizontal like this?
shadow ibex
was only time we could have good fun
wary raft
huntsman was my first mythic pink 
good times
sacred zodiac
i mean i genuinely cannot think of a fight and spec that was better suited to the design choices any class other than arms on danny
modest marlin
I tanked as venthyr warrior because of RP reasons haha
sacred zodiac
maybe sub smolderon gets close
shadow ibex
it was a dark time man
nova marsh
maybe sub smolderon gets close
Sub Zul
minor gust
I just hope Slayer has some actual fun/cool nodes in it. Colossus was a massive disappointment with all the nodes basically being boring %dmg increases and seeing that demolish is a confirmed root in place has sucked out all the rest of the interest I had from it
sacred zodiac
sub zul is on par but sub zul was actually good
shadow ibex
it was the best and worst time because you could really play whatever spec you wanted on any fight
both were ass just have fun kid
wicked aurora
Inb4 slayer is like SD focused and kinda like expose weakness for rogue
Next SD proc consumes all rage for 600% damage
Clearly balanced idea
shadow ibex
i dont mind execute idea if you can force allow a cast above exe
or its just insane SD procs like current tier
i think more interesting to unlock/force SD proc tho
minor gust
enough SD procs to consistently keep up jugg
shadow ibex
my sleeper bet is somewhere in slayer tree = juggernaut stacks no longer decay while warrior is in combat
nova marsh
We get an execute cd in place of ava which could be cool af
shadow ibex
since we're talking thematic
slayer in combat all time = most danger cat in the area
sounds like the doom slayer to me
wicked aurora
Execute splash damage
shadow ibex
stacks decay slowly outside of combat
wicked aurora
shadow ibex
if you want do something crazy at max stacks then and reset them
wicked aurora
Remove jugg stack cap
Real
shadow ibex
like execute cast at 15 stack does X and consumes them all, but still no incombat decay
sacred zodiac
Execute splash damage
go play assa
shadow ibex
just no incombat decay and only reasoning is its thematic and thats enough
wicked aurora
go play assa
I boosted one, just idk what I’m doing and idk if I have the patience to learn a new spec rn
sacred zodiac
takes 5 minutes to learn the kingsbane sequence and then you know how to play it
then you have your splash damage
shadow ibex
i just want some flavor at the bottom of an execute talent that explodes a target if they die to execute for some dmg
not big enough to be tuned around
just some flavor
hazy flower
Too many dots
wicked aurora
If I’m gonna play another class as an alt it’ll probably be my devoker
nova marsh
I know
wicked aurora
Since I already played it last tier as a main
nova marsh
We get a stacking buff that increases our size by 5%
Jugg but for size instead of damage
nova marsh
Enh is SO GOOD in df
wicked aurora
Devoker is honestly really fun
nova marsh
Give me a spellblade type class and I will salivate over it
wicked aurora
Give me a spellblade type class and I will salivate over it
Real
shadow ibex
if enh still had same build as last tier i would probably alt it again
wicked aurora
You play Last Epoch yet?
shadow ibex
but im not fucking casting no god damn primordial wave
nova marsh
na. I like enhance as is more
Expect for the LL thing
having to cycle lash on ALL TARGETS in keys is....just...no
It's like Fresh meat but worse
nova marsh
neat
Honestly the fact that Enhance became a spellblade type spec still kinda shocks me
modest marlin
Templar might be a good example for Slayer I think, I like the idea if it being focused on Smash/Recklessness
shadow ibex
i need something to play between fyrak jail nights i was thinking of installing shadow of war again
nova marsh
Slayer being completely passive would be okay
nova marsh
i need something to play between fyrak jail nights i was thinking of installing ...
As a meme....consider warframe (don't actually do this jesus christ)
Or the souls series
Usually what I pick up in between playing wow....or helldivers 2
shadow ibex
really wonder what the first node of slayer will be
curious if it will be a new major CD or just modify execute passively and then rest of tree builds on that
nova marsh
I'm still betting on condemm
shadow ibex
OF way too far down i think
would have to be reck but cooldowns for both are weird, its assumed arms has AM, fury doesnt always
probably just some execute passive thats built upon
nova marsh
Yeah like I said, condemm basically probally
Considering Col, I genuinely don't have a lot of faith they won't just reuse ideas
shadow ibex
colossus have fairly new ideas in it at least to warrior tree. the cooldow reduction past max stacks is a very elegant way to give value to those talents that generate stacks once at 10
i think 5% dmg per enemy struck on same node as a 20% increase on bleeds is pretty dumb
nova marsh
Yes but at the end of the day, it's basically the lego in talent form
shadow ibex
both are aoe increase only one is mega good and the other isnt
thats probably my only beef with the tree
aside from root
nova marsh
I just think it's keystone is so weak as a concept
And....lacking creativity
Like okay yeah, blizzard isn't known as the most creative company in the world when it comes to gameplay, but come on.
modest marlin
these trees are meant to just be enhancing certain fantasies
Like Frostfire does exactly what people wanted to have back
Mountain Thane being all electric works for me too
nova marsh
Yes. Keyword: enhancing
Collusus dosen't feel like it actually enhances any of the core ideas of arms
It just gives us some damage numbers, a cool size increase, and the legendary as a permant fixture of the rotation
minor gust
yeah the only thing Colossus does that for the theme is 5% size xd
fickle nexus
arms stacks buffs the tree stacks buffs
nova marsh
Does anyone here actually enjoy stacking buffs?
Didn't we, just a few hours ago, talk about how that was kind of a problem with DF arms?
minor gust
I cant wait to get a CS and TOM overlap so I can press demolish and die because im rooted but I had to send demolish because of the CS and TOM stack
hexed saddle
hopefully tom just gets erased
minor gust
hopefully
fickle nexus
tom doesnt make sense with current arms
shadow ibex
no reason for tom to exist tbh
its complete passive you dont pay attention to until recent execute optimization
restive sorrel
or you had to hold demolish for 5 seconds to not risk dying and you know you just lost like 5% damage doing so for the 3rd time that fight feels great man
hexed saddle
tom is just bad flatline damage design
modest marlin
People wanted ToM cause of BfA memories
opal folio
People wanted ToM cause of BfA memories
this ^
nova marsh
Yeah like....we don't really want that and I think stacking buffs could be like
fickle nexus
corruption stacks tom was pretty neat
opal folio
I asked for ToM back because of rose-tinted goggles
modest marlin
I think the idea of a super hard hitting combo attack is great.
opal folio
I fucking hate ToM
shadow ibex
i mean tbf at start of this expac we could also spend rage because we used slam
nova marsh
An idea of build up to a big hit
hexed saddle
People wanted ToM cause of BfA memories
i mean literally everyone was batchesting out of their minds when they saw it come back
no me tho
i hated tom
tom sucks
opal folio
We should have listened
minor gust
Buff stacking is fine if its controlled CS and TOM overlap is not easily done
shadow ibex
i dont care either way about tom but i think it feels worse than actually is
because we cant spend
pre 10.0.5 OP buffs we were slamming in CS all day
wary raft
pre 10.0.5 OP buffs we were slamming in CS all day
and this was fun imo
nova marsh
CS and ToM overlap is just as bad, actually no actually worse then IP
opal folio
maybe they just need to rework FoB
hexed saddle
the fact that the average tom buff since vault hasnt actually changed much
is pretty bad
opal folio
and tom will be fun again
shadow ibex
yea thats dumb
modest marlin
I would almost rather it be a 2-3 button combo we press. Gonna invoke the dreaded FF14, but I'm thinking of like how some melee rotation finishers feel in FF14.
wary raft
the fact that the average tom buff since vault hasnt actually changed much
the price of spam buffing overpower frick op
nova marsh
I would almost rather it be a 2-3 button combo we press. Gonna invoke the dreade...
Let me be very clear
shadow ibex
the fact that the average tom buff since vault hasnt actually changed much
i mean in vaults you were able to force the second CS cast onto add on kurog
because u spent rage
nova marsh
I do not want nor think wow should ever have any specs with completely static rotations
hexed saddle
yeah it was epic
shadow ibex
in current tier u cant force CS up in time
nova marsh
Combos kinda encourage that....
shadow ibex
because u follow prio and prio is OP
it went backwards actually
i mean you can with FoB on council but fuck fob
nova marsh
I think if it's implemented like how Temp strikes is....it's okay ig?
modest marlin
It'd depend on how frequently you do it, but I'm not against a button that replaces itself for each step of the combo
restive sorrel
I mean thats a hell of a lot better than a 2 sec rooted channel...
nova marsh
Not three new buttons that just bloat the FUCK out of my bars
restive sorrel
but basically anything is better
shadow ibex
make arterial cut the aoe choice, other choice on that node adds an additional swing to demolish attack
so its 4 attacks instead of 3
now thats thematic
none of this "cleave is 5% stronger per target struck up to 20%" baby shit
modest marlin
If the devs want us to feel like we're doing an actual hard hitting combo, then yeah, pressing the buttons will feel like a combo
minor gust
yeah its weird that only 3 nodes affects demolish meanwhile the paladin ones the whole tree affects their new toy with sunspots or the hammers
nova marsh
I'd rather have cool combos like demolish we can control
Espically if it's like a three step temp strikes
restive sorrel
its also weird how literally like half(or more) of the talents are just passive % dmg buffs on shit...like bruh, can you mail it in even more than that?
shadow ibex
these are just both aoe choices, make 1 ST plz
a final hiit to demolish that only hits the primary target
modest marlin
3 1s gcd abilities would be pretty nifty
hexed saddle
so funny that arterial is just always better lol
shadow ibex
so not to compete with aoe dmg of bleed
rare kite
these are just both aoe choices, make 1 ST plz
1 of them does something on st as wel las aoe. 1 is pure aoe
shadow ibex
so funny that arterial is just always better lol
yea its hilarious someone designed this
someone got paid
minor gust
WW one might be better if ur playing FoB build in M+
rare kite
so funny that arterial is just always better lol
unless tuning is wack ofc
modest marlin
We don't know how big the current combat dev team is. All we know is Holinka left and took at least one dev with him
shadow ibex
WW one might be better if ur playing FoB build in M+
MS gonna be eating globals still to get stacks i would assume
not saying fob would be bad
nova marsh
We don't know how big the current combat dev team is. All we know is Holinka lef...
About layoffs as far as we know from confirmed ones, wow was hit the least in terms of actual devs
modest marlin
It's not about layoffs, both Holinka and the evoker dev left for other opportunities
shadow ibex
1 of them does something on st as wel las aoe. 1 is pure aoe
i would just make the top one add an extra swing to demolish that only hits the primary target instead of aoe like the whole combo
bam now u got ST choice
restive sorrel
number of combat dev's working on DPS warrior: half of one, if you combine the two interns working on it in their free time(so maybe an hour per month)
nova marsh
They don't care about us
Never have
think we'll be content with some random armour and a shiny new 2h
modest marlin
It's a team but one dev usually takes the lead on 5-6 specs
shadow ibex
they lost a lot of ppl over the course of DF also tbf. they didnt get hit hardest by layoffs but they saw a lot of departures over course of this expac
nova marsh
I think war within is gonna be a repeat of shadowlands tbh
With....very....very long gaps between content
modest marlin
Just pray the warrior lead doesn't dip out like the Druid one did mid alpha
restive sorrel
meh shitty excuse, its still a big company and they seem to have done pretty well with the other hero trees theyve released so far so....
minor gust
MS gonna be eating globals still to get stacks i would assume
idk if you would even care about stacks with that build
shadow ibex
demolish is a mega aoe hitting thing tho
surely you'd want to get stacks for the CDR asap
and OP dmg = DN dmg
smoky kayak
meh shitty excuse, its still a big company and they seem to have done pretty wel...
clearly you didn't look too closely to the feedback on Lightsmith or Oracle 😆
minor gust
all depends on how its tuned right
shadow ibex
yea ofc ofc
modest marlin
They haven't said they're redoing lightsmith, just oracle no?
shadow ibex
but idk i still think one could go
the bleed is too good in both st/aoe
i wouldnt mind it gone either for a squarly ST option
minor gust
same
smoky kayak
idk if you would even care about stacks with that build
depends on the overall numbers, but I don't see why you wouldn't care about them either
real question is how Execute will play out
shadow ibex
i just think a node adding an extra swing to demolish is neat idea since they specified it is a 3 hit attack in the post
hexed saddle
i just hope the flat % increase nodes get some iteration
smoky kayak
i just think a node adding an extra swing to demolish is neat idea since they sp...
also adds 1s to the channel 🙃
smoky kayak
I agree on too many broad passive bonuses, that was a big point of feedback for me
nova marsh
Tbh
shadow ibex
at that point why have them if you get them anyway
could just bake them in and have another cool pick
hexed saddle
10% crit dam, 15% MS damage, 5% vers are all pretty mid
smoky kayak
IMO the hero talent trees should help customize your gameplay, but most of ours so far are just 'add one seldom used button'
modest marlin
You know what hero talents are? They're basically WoD perks but slightly better eh?
nova marsh
I just think all the hero talents feel like a poorly thought out version of class skins
smoky kayak
You know what hero talents are? They're basically WoD perks but slightly better ...
WoD perks were fuckin horrible, especially for War
hexed saddle
IMO the hero talent trees should help customize your gameplay, but most of ours ...
yeah creativity seems lacking for warrior
restive sorrel
clearly you didn't look too closely to the feedback on Lightsmith or Oracle 😆
I mean those are a completely different story. They clearly had thought and effort put behind them, the issue with those is they chose to expand on externals, which was an obviously poor choice for the health of the game...wasnt a lack of creativity or effort. I dont recall over half of those trees talents being the most vanilla, uninspired % damage buffs to "x" ability
hexed saddle
thane is better than colossus at least
rare kite
10% crit dam, 15% MS damage, 5% vers are all pretty mid
true, atleast the vers one has something thematically. 5% size is pretty cool(aesthetic wise)
shadow ibex
but im sure somewhere someone is happy
smoky kayak
thane is better than colossus at least
Templar is better Thane!
smoky kayak
its the same mechanics, just outright better in every way
rare kite
scalecommander looks insane
shadow ibex
if thane ended up being best in raid i would riot
hexed saddle
theres no conceivable way for that too happen
restive sorrel
no shot Id play that shit if it ends up being anything like the current iteration of it
hexed saddle
its way too aoe oriented
minor gust
I like Thane it nailed the theme perfectly it just needs adjustments
shadow ibex
theres no conceivable way for that too happen
oh i dont think it'll happen
just that .0001% cursed timeline
hexed saddle
I like Thane it nailed the theme perfectly it just needs adjustments
yeah theme is good
it just needs to not be templar/herald lite
hexed saddle
like you can tell that templar and herald are both just thane but way better
its very obvious
hexed saddle
yeah thats why im hopeful
nova marsh
It's clear they're gonna look at these and design them like 20 times over
hexed saddle
that warrior stuff gets some iteration
restive sorrel
I think thane sounds decently good/cool for prot, but thats it. Dont think it really fits fury very well, and theyd have to buff the talents and numbers quite significant for it to be good for fury tbh/
nova marsh
What with dauntless duelist and....fury having to waste 4 talent points on AURA BUFFS
minor gust
I just wanna see Slayer that is the only tree ive been really interested in since the announcements
smoky kayak
wasn't even that, dauntless duelist might have been fine, but the layout of the original trees were hot garbage compared to now
smoky kayak
not really tbh
restive sorrel
They’re still hot garbage lul
smoky kayak
they're massively better than they were
and honestly the trees now aren't even bad
Warriors really have no problem taking practically every talent they want for any particular piece of content
the biggest complaint people have is fucking shockwave which is trivial to take
smoky kayak
Sure, but it's still an extremely inconsequential issue
hexed saddle
id liek to see all of the meaningless throughput in the second tier erradicated
smoky kayak
id liek to see all of the meaningless throughput in the second tier erradicated
sure, but every tree has that
restive sorrel
Sure maybe you can convince yourself they aren’t that bad in a vacuum but when you compare them to others, the trees are dogass
smoky kayak
point being they don't stop us from taking anything we really want
smoky kayak
meh
shadow ibex
if CF survives i would be shocked
nova marsh
I mean tbh I think you should really take issue with how inconsistant blizz is with class trees
shadow ibex
its the most begrudging 2 points in the game
hexed saddle
the worst part of the tree is zerkers rage not being baseline and having to spend 2 points for piercing howl
nova marsh
You have shaman that's pure utility and then like....half of both warrior spec's CDs are literally from the class tree
hexed saddle
You have shaman that's pure utility and then like....half of both warrior spec's...
yeah not a fan of this
opal folio
Getting feared feels so personal now
hexed saddle
i dont even know the solution
shadow ibex
it feels disgusting to play this class for over a decade
hexed saddle
cause they all feel pivotal to warrior strength
shadow ibex
and suddenly be feared
opal folio
^
shadow ibex
jesus christ i hate it more than anything in the world
if you had anyone who played warrior for like 2 expacs on the team and they read that
they would kick it out the window
modest marlin
@smoky kayak would the system allow 3 0.75 gcd abilities in a row or is the 1s impossible to break?
shadow ibex
i genuinely dont know how they threw BR into the class tree and no one on the team was like wait wait wait hold up thats too far
snow flame
the worst part of the tree is zerkers rage not being baseline and having to spen...
idk reck isn't baseline
nova marsh
...Offensive CDs and utility are also very different
hexed saddle
i'd like to see the 5% damage node replaced with AM
restive sorrel
I mean how much of the "utility" in the tree do you just not take because its near worthless in keys/raid and not worth dropping other points for? A lot of them. Its not so much an extreme lack of accessibility, its just either "why do I have to spend talent points on this" or "why do I even want to waste points on this"
shadow ibex
because they increase output
nova marsh
i'd like to see the 5% damage node replaced with AM
Unironically that'd make sense
shadow ibex
i think that can be said about too many war talents tbf
nova marsh
Just aura buff us for that amount
shadow ibex
things we take begrudingly because its more dmg and we cant really put a point elsewhere
restive sorrel
i think that can be said about too many war talents tbf
oh that must be why the colossus tree is full of the same type of talents...its "thematic" 
hexed saddle
Unironically that'd make sense
you'd prob have to add another node to get to AM to offset the strength it provides (not having the opportunity cost of choosing it vs something else in spec trees)
shadow ibex
what are you gonna take honed cacophonous roar?
hexed saddle
and you'd prob have to nerf it too
but yeah its silly that its not in the class tree
nova marsh
oh that must be why the colossus tree is full of the same type of talents...its ...
It's garbage, so it's very "thematic"
shadow ibex
AM in class tree and avatar somewhere where its not just an illusion of choice because all 3 specs hard path to it no matter what
smoky kayak
the worst part of the tree is zerkers rage not being baseline and having to spen...
I agree, those are huge misses
but if that's the worst part... I mean we're doing pretty well (in PvE), because those talents are basically pointless anyway
nova marsh
Tbh I just want an actual incorp counter and I will not shut up about it
shadow ibex
yeah i dont think the tree is horrid
what do you think is good about it
i like the torments
nova marsh
There is literally no reason warrior should be THAT FAR Behind any other class in terms of counter an affix that can literally cause wipes
shadow ibex
and i guess double time
hexed saddle
what do you think is good about it
easy access to stuff like IV, rally, second wind, SR is basically baseline, same with warmachine
smoky kayak
only things that need to go baseline is TC and BzR
smoky kayak
BzR because the use case is so small its virtually never worth a talent point
TC because it adds more low level capability (not hugely important, but still) and makes Mountain Thane easier to talent into
hexed saddle
i think frothing is a bigger issue than war machine
shadow ibex
i probably like the speed boost more
hexed saddle
i despise frothing
shadow ibex
frothing and sudden death procing during my execute animation so it doesnt spend rage
smoky kayak
I'm alarmed that you have that strong of an opinion out of something so passive lol
shadow ibex
are my least favorite things right now
hexed saddle
yeah idk why
smoky kayak
that's how I feel about most of these conversations tbh
hexed saddle
i just really dislike the inconsistent rage gen
smoky kayak
like people have really strong opinions over really minor things
hexed saddle
i know its a silly thing to not like
but the inconsistency just makes me feel bad more than it feels good
shadow ibex
its part of the reason for the rage situation so i dont like it because of that but its not the only culprit
restive sorrel
Its probably because people overall hold animosity towards the way warrior has been treated(or, rather...ignored), so they develop strong opinions about things that are actually fairly minor.
shadow ibex
just small building block creating the mess that is pre execute arms
smoky kayak
Yeah, but I don't think they're the main cluprits by any means
Honestly Reck is the biggest one
with how much CDR Arms gets, its uptime is pretty high for a proc
smoky kayak
Well Reck is fine, it's Zerkers Torment that would change
hexed saddle
as much as I liked the idea of the torments when they came up
i think the specs would prob be healthier without them
nova marsh
I mean reduced effectiveness could account for loss of it
hazy flower
fyi
shadow ibex
i think the specs would prob be healthier without them
would allow you to move avatar higher
hazy flower
blademasters "reduced effectiveness"
shadow ibex
and then all specs have more choice at bottom tier
hazy flower
doesnt exist
nova marsh
i think the specs would prob be healthier without them
To a large extent after a whole xpack, I do actually agree.
nova marsh
doesnt exist
It does not last as long
hazy flower
it does
shadow ibex
if avatar was higher up and no torments all 3 specs can do something other than avatar + X in the bottom row
hexed saddle
just put more stuff like this in
instead of cd procs cd
much more interesting
imo
shadow ibex
well what do oyu do for arms tho?
its already a 20% dmg increase
dmg cooldown even more dmg?
nova marsh
Just remove the CD on MS at that point for our CD
smoky kayak
as much as I liked the idea of the torments when they came up
Na, Torments are fine - honestly it's probably the best part of the tree
shadow ibex
but with blattlelord etc already so many sources of getting it back fast
smoky kayak
just talking about the rage part specifically, Reck is a huge contributor
wary raft
50% cd on MS
imagine this but ms was still every 2 globals instead of every 3 
shadow ibex
i wouldnt mind no torments and avatar higher up and a new cool cap stone
nova marsh
Or just removing the rage part and give us a rage pool that isn't bottomless outside of execute
modest marlin
I think avatar, spear, and roar are a great set of capstones. At least there's dps in the warrior class tree unlike many
hexed saddle
spear can fucking die
nova marsh
I honestly want to ask
shadow ibex
I think avatar, spear, and roar are a great set of capstones. At least there's d...
it doesnt really matter if dmg is there
if we are tuned around it
smoky kayak
feels like some people just don't like anything lol
nova marsh
What the fuck is the point of the class tree? I've been wondering this for a long time now
modest marlin
Aww,you don't like the poop puddle?
shadow ibex
its not like we deal more dmg than other classes because we have a huge TR at the bottom of our tree
nova marsh
I don't think either spec is better off for having a lot of damage in the class tree
modest marlin
I know, but it still feels nice to pick vs the lack of anything in the shaman tree or the mess that is druid
shadow ibex
its just super restrictive if anything
nova marsh
I know, but it still feels nice to pick vs the lack of anything in the shaman tr...
Shaman actually has decent choice for keys
shadow ibex
at least druid can pick up 1 min roar or dont
snow flame
feels like some people just don't like anything lol
tbf spear has been useless for arms either arms needs a good ST talent or something
nova marsh
And totems are awesome tbh.
smoky kayak
tbf spear has been useless for arms either arms needs a good ST talent or someth...
I wasn't referring to spear there, ofc it's kind of inevitably weak for Arms
shadow ibex
obviously you can grab shockwave if you want but you are grabbing avatar for sure
modest marlin
Avatar is seen as the warrior cd going back to war 3 and I don't think they'll ever want to go away from that
molten crane
M igara, is your sweeping strikes wide enough to hit the spears if you're targeting igara?
nova marsh
With how required Avatar is, I honestly think there's a fair argument for it being baseline
shadow ibex
i dont have a problem with that. i have a problem with it being capstone so all 3 specs only really have 1 choice to pair it with
molten crane
what about your 4pc proc
smoky kayak
Avatar is seen as the warrior cd going back to war 3 and I don't think they'll e...
well idk about that, Avatar wasn't added for several expansions lol
shadow ibex
every warrior spec is avatar + something else. 90% of time avatar + TR
smoky kayak
but I don't think they'll move away from it, no, nor do I think they need to
smoky kayak
every warrior spec is avatar + something else. 90% of time avatar + TR
Fury has used spear quite a bit, but ofc there will be more TR use because Spear is more ST focused
shadow ibex
iirc fury ran spear for some time in s1
nova marsh
Imagine if they just make avatar into wings with execute access
smoky kayak
fury ran spear for some time in all seasons
modest marlin
Isn't spear still in the raid build for fury?
nova marsh
yes
fresh tide
I feel like AM should be in the class tree, that's just nitpicking though
like it doesn't make sense to have one ability in all 3 spec trees
modest marlin
Prot and Arms have talents that scale roar's bleed which is why they can't really go away from it.
rare kite
feels like some people just don't like anything lol
people would complain about something anyway
smoky kayak
Prot and Arms have talents that scale roar's bleed which is why they can't reall...
So does Fury, Arms and Prot simply have higher uptime on more bleeds
nova marsh
I mean this is literally the internet
rare kite
could be insanely good and someone would not like it
nova marsh
Half the people are complaining about smth
smoky kayak
people would complain about something anyway
yeah I mean, we're down to complaining about Avatar for no apparent reason lol
rare kite
Avatar of all things, interesting ability to complain about
modest marlin
If anything avatar should make us even bigger. I wanna feel like Muradin in HotS
smoky kayak
I think it does, just slightly
nova marsh
Yeah it does
modest marlin
I meant more. Muradin's avatar doubles his size I think
smoky kayak
I like the idea of Colossus' increased character size being tied to Colossal Might stacks - like +2% size per stack
abstract creek
I want to be as big as that one random anima power toy makes you
smoky kayak
So you grow while you build power and then demolish and shrink back down
abstract creek
Just all the time
modest marlin
So far I'm not mad at hero talents. Diabolist and Frostfire win at this point for me, but it's definitely easier to design trees for pure dps
hexed saddle
So far I'm not mad at hero talents. Diabolist and Frostfire win at this point fo...
herald and templar both hard gap
those trees own
modest marlin
I'm not super keen on them but they're not bad. It's just hard to top Frostfire and moar demons!
shadow ibex
i like most of colossus
modest marlin
I've wanted Frostfire back for years now.
shadow ibex
the stacks = CDR at max is smart
smoky kayak
herald and templar both hard gap
Yeah, if they borrow some of Templar to polish up Mountain Thane, I'm on board
shadow ibex
making stacks increase dmg of other things is good. more stacks on crit is nice since we historically love that stat anyway
hexed saddle
Yeah, if they borrow some of Templar to polish up Mountain Thane, I'm on board
yeah it would look REALLY good if they do
shadow ibex
just the root and the +5% dmg on cleave/shockwave vs 20% bleed dmg
hexed saddle
they really nailed design for pally (exluding lightsmith)
smoky kayak
Colossus could also be p good with some polish tbh
hexed saddle
agreed
shadow ibex
redo the +MS/shield slam dmg to something exciting
smoky kayak
the root thing... eh, I don't think it needs to exist, but if its hasted I think that's kind of a nothing burger
shadow ibex
make the defensive node give us a DR during the channel
modest marlin
I just want all the trees to be out before alpha so there's a chance all of them get at least one look over before beta locks them in more.
shadow ibex
and i'd be p content
hexed saddle
redo the +MS/shield slam dmg to something exciting
crit dam and 5% vers need help as well
fresh tide
big crit big dam 
hexed saddle
crit dam isnt really all that good if you dont get crit alongside it
snow flame
Colossus could also be p good with some polish tbh
depends if they truly do what they "intend"
shadow ibex
its actually my favorite node
hexed saddle
crit dam always sounds cool
snow flame
if what they said today is true the 2 seocnd cast aside the playstyle could be cool
shadow ibex
crit dam isnt really all that good if you dont get crit alongside it
that just means reck torment is never doing away
snow flame
if it actually does dmg like they said it would
shadow ibex
modest marlin
Another tree I do like is the moon druid, only cause I feel like you can really tell a difference between moon and treants at least.
nova marsh
It'll do BS damage
smoky kayak
make the defensive node give us a DR during the channel
that's not a bad idea tbh, though maybe a bit small for a whole talent point
modest marlin
They can nerf it for pvp if need be. Let it chunk in PvE.
smoky kayak
It'll do BS damage
doubt it, BS only does BS damage because of shit like Hurricane and Bonegrinder
smoky kayak
more curious about how the rotation looks than the damage
nova marsh
Honestly demo with BS....sounds horrid
smoky kayak
cause yeah, channel into channel is weird
nova marsh
Like you'd spend so much time doing channels
shadow ibex
are we the loss of control spec?
is that something they thought about
"oh yea btw this spec can also get this other fairly long loss of control effect, think this is too much"
snow flame
they said we're suppose to be the spec tha tis feared
shadow ibex
at the very least just for player enjoyment i think we could get the ability to use kick at least during these channels
modest marlin
That's why demolish should be a 3 press short gcd combo haha. Keeps us feeling like we're playing
shadow ibex
or just give me disrupting shout
modest marlin
Sonically it better sound satisfying as hell.
shadow ibex
make defensive node give us a decent damage reduction during channel, change one against many or arterial cut to one additional attack during demolish
and im p happy with it
i dont feel strongly about the bleed or cleave increase but i think having both are dumb. make either one into demolish is now 4 attacks for ST and other can be aoe
smoky kayak
FWIW, there's nothing inherently wrong with Colossus not incentivizing Bladestorm builds (or vice/versa) either
but that's also presuming that Bladestorm builds, as we know them, persist into TWW as well
gaunt owl
if Demolish is like Eye Beam or Fists of Fury its gonna be hasted
gaunt owl
the 2 seconds they talk about will make it like lego usage right now
so a 2 GCD give or take
shadow ibex
my lego is 2.1 seconds
smoky kayak
It'd be ~1.3-1.5s under normal conditions
gaunt owl
alpha waiting room it is
smoky kayak
maybe a lil less early in the expac
50% haste is 2s for Fyr'alath
1.3s for a 2s channel
modest marlin
If prot stays loving haste that'd feel feel good.
I worry how the animation will feel on protection
smoky kayak
we don't even know what the animation looks like yet lol
shadow ibex
they said the first 2 hits knock enemy off balance and third is overhead ground quaking
smoky kayak
but most animations are also hasted now
gaunt owl
its great news they dont boringly just recycle fyralakk on use
neon ocean
it sounds fun but I'm more excited about what they haven't shown yet
being the announced talent rework
they claim demolish is gonna hit pretty hard and its on a low CD so that is kinda nice for damage profile
since it's also splash 8 yd off main
modest marlin
I wouldn't expect that much. I think they're just removing the damage buffs to a CC ability and moving it up the tree. Maybe cut the passive in front of it too
Most class trees have 3 capstone branches anyways.
shadow ibex
they claim demolish is gonna hit pretty hard and its on a low CD so that is kind...
low CD and hitting hard is hard to juggle
im still pretty suspicious of it
modest marlin
low CD and hitting hard is hard to juggle
I mean some people are tired of overpower being such a big part of the damage profile
shadow ibex
right now you'd probably be able to fit one inside every single CS cast, 35 second CD while colossus has 24-22 but lasts 13 seconds
do you think an ability that could be cast within every CS window hit hard? i am a bit skeptical but also why i want to know what they think is a good % of AP. should it hit as hard as bladestorm for example
shadow ibex
also also, our spec tree needs a node that puts OP on our autos
now we're cooking
just like anni/devastator
smoky kayak
Crusader Strikes -> Overpowering Strikes
dire hinge
make downtime doubly painful
smoky kayak
TBH Crusader Strikes is just Annihilator 2.0
hazy flower
and finally
shadow ibex
make downtime doubly painful
we are the auto replacing class
hazy flower
not being dependable on wf
dire hinge
i still want that sweet, sweet Mortal Strike -> Mortal Combo ngl
neon ocean
TBH Crusader Strikes is just Annihilator 2.0
they got the worse version though
doesn't work with WF
modest marlin
I like it...
Rotation still feels bursty to me with something to almost always be pressing
nova marsh
To me it just feels worse compared to how fluid temp strikes feels
modest marlin
Temp strikes almost feels too rigid
shadow ibex
talents that put an ability on your auto attack
no time to press filler
only time to kill
smoky kayak
doesn't work with WF
thought yall wanted to be less dependent on WF 🤔
halcyon breach
WF is fun when you have it, not fun when you don't have it
And being reliant on another class to be the most optimal is not funny
nova marsh
No I don't want to be dependant on WFT
shadow ibex
enhance players the most flakiest players on earth. every one just stops showing up to raid at some point
fresh tide
TRUE
smoky kayak
also Arms right now isn't dependent on WF 😆
shadow ibex
idk what it is man
nova marsh
also Arms right now isn't dependent on WF 😆
Thank god
shadow ibex
something they put in the water over in the maelstorm
smoky kayak
but you can't have everything so idk
shadow ibex
every enh shaman just stops logging in one day
halcyon breach
enhance players the most flakiest players on earth. every one just stops showing...
Have you tried having an ele sham swap over to enhance, because the other enhance sham is missing for the night, then without saying anything swap back to ele for the last 30 minutes of prog roughly?
nova marsh
Ele shamans don'ty exist
shadow ibex
Have you tried having an ele sham swap over to enhance, because the other enhanc...
bro said
fuck this
steep osprey
Are you still playing LE banezi
halcyon breach
That's like saying D3 has endgame if all it was is rifts without greater rifts
steep osprey
Isn’t corruption infinite? So you just keep going harder and getting better gear ?
I don’t know
halcyon breach
Isn’t corruption infinite? So you just keep going harder and getting better gear...
Boring
nova marsh
It should just be a raid buff
nova marsh
Infinite scaling endgame is not good
Endgames that rely on scaling in general are kinda bad
Examples: warframe and M+
...Mostly M+ tbh
shadow ibex
i think it makes sense for aRPG
idk what other end game is possible in one frankly if the player doesnt want to make an alt
halcyon breach
PoE's endgame is great without relying on infinite scaling
steep osprey
I did stop too, endgame was kind of repetitive, and I had fps performance issues that were unplayable
steep osprey
PoE's endgame is great without relying on infinite scaling
What is it’s endgame?
halcyon breach
You have very many avenues on how you want to gear, some with specific gear if you need it, depending on what kind of gameplay you like the most
neon ocean
there are bosses you can fight that actually put your crazy gear to the test also
halcyon breach
And you're able to set clear goals, such as clearing the Uber pinnacle bosses, reaching a specific depth in the Delve mechanic (if you're a psycho)
neon ocean
it's not just gearing for the sake of gearing
halcyon breach
Build a specific omega high end build with no budget restraints
steep osprey
PoE is way too overwhelming for me
halcyon breach
However it's also unfair to compare the two games, since PoE is 10 years old~ with live service and updates
Compared to LE
outer holly
What is it’s endgame?
It's like infinite scaling's little brother
steep osprey
However it's also unfair to compare the two games, since PoE is 10 years old~ wi...
Yeah, I was thinking that
neon ocean
Love PoE but I do hope melee in general is due for a glowup
now that poe2 is confirmed to be its own separate game
it's not completely bad or anything but there are way less winners in the melee skill pool
modest marlin
I'm not against m+ scaling. I feel most relevant rewards stop early enough
neon ocean
not to mention melee has a lower floor and its ceiling is harder to reach (poe stuff, I'll stop offtopic )
modest marlin
They really do need to stop trying to increase the key level rewards cap at, they just end up nerfing them anyways
modest marlin
15s in BfA felt harder than 18-20s do now.
dire hinge
i was also bad back then
rare kite
15s in BfA felt harder than 18-20s do now.
depends on the seasons tho, 20s DF s1 felt harder than s4 bfa
fresh tide
I think they've nerfed either fortified or tyranical every expansion, so it's possible keys might be slightly easier now because of that
but also maybe they tuned the base numbers with that expectation
nova marsh
yet more proof fort and tyr should be removed LMAO
fresh tide
vers isn't mentioned in the wowhead tooltip so I'm thinking no
shadow ibex
absorb value is based off max health yea
hazy flower
how do I calculate the first absorb then?
max is 30% hp
but it's not 10% 10% 10%
as in I could divide what I get by my hp but I'm curious about the formula behind
since at 903,6k hp I'm getting 102k absorb
idk if I'm missing something very obvious here
hazy flower
yes its 3 casts to cap
but you will never have 3 casts
maybe on super duper high tyrannical key like 31 ad
shadow ibex
you need to use it on CD
hazy flower
yeah sure I know
shadow ibex
and yea take 0 dmg for the cooldown duration
hazy flower
I'm just trying to understand
the first tick of it
it's roughly 11% of my hp, which doesnt make sense
modest marlin
It might be some the general playerbase getting better, but keys are being pushed higher then ever. A casual weekly key is now like +22. In legion those were much lower.
rare kite
i can only think of brh first boss where you'd get to stack ip 3 times
fresh tide
it used to be attack power scaled but capped by your hp, but now I think it's hp scaled and capped by your hp
shadow ibex
IP is increased by your AP as well
this was change in 10.2 iirc
during abberus i think it was AP
halcyon breach
Idk testing it now it's jumping between 92-100k
With highest amount being with BS active
fresh tide
Maybe it's the stupid 5% spell variance thing they added
idk if that applies to IP or not
halcyon breach
It reliably hits 97k with BS, 91.5k without BS
shadow ibex
With highest amount being with BS active
i would almost assume its a bug that its getting from AP then cuz even wowhead tooltip doesnt mention it
brittle lichen
Hey guys havnt played since season 1 how much has arms changed, if at all?
rare kite
answer depends on when in season 1 you stopped playing, before or after 10.05?
brittle lichen
towards the end of season 1 so Im assuming after? its when fury switched to the onslought build
rare kite
ye ok, so arms is very similar to that then. slam is worth casting in st now and you don't use ignore pain for offensive purposes
dire hinge
Hey guys havnt played since season 1 how much has arms changed, if at all?
weirdly enough, if you just hold off a few more weeks you can pick up where you left off with very few changes since we're getting season 1's tier set back in fated
nova marsh
Just no IP
rare kite
there's some execute optimization now as well but that's only with current tier
dire hinge
other small stuff that comes to mind:
- rend is automatically cast via Mortal Strike on targets in execute range
- rend and overpower both deal more damage
- battlelord procs give rage back instead of reducing MS's costs 🤔
- fatal mark lasts a real amount of time (depending on when you quit in season 1)
brittle lichen
oh okay neat, I enjoyed fury in season 1 but honestly the bloodthirst build isnt really doing it for me rn might switch back to arms
hazy flower
other small stuff that comes to mind:
- rend is automatically cast via Mortal St...
technically we also got deep wounds buffed, I cannot recall if we got rend damage buffed on itself or is it strictly from the tier set
tender geyser
is there a way to increase the number of buttons on each action bar without addons?
dire hinge
is there a way to increase the number of buttons on each action bar without addo...
if you hit Esc and go to "Edit Mode", then right click on any of your action bars, you'll get a popup that lets you control settings like this per-action bar.
The maximum number of slots per-action bar is 12 (even with addons)
boreal quartz
Just add another bar with say 4 and pretend it's one longer one
dire hinge
i'll take 4 action bars and give them 3 buttons each and call it 12
obtuse copper
Nice clarification post on Colossus but like
How they made a hero spec named Colossus without a single Avatar interaction?
dire hinge
wdym it makes us 5% larger just like avatar
obtuse copper
💀
dire hinge
haha
rare kite
"but mountain thane got avatar talents"
obtuse copper
I imagine they kept it to just 5% so you don't notice a massive diff between specs and have diff sized hitbox for mechanics
Probably still gonna look a bit odd when swapping from Slayer and seeing your character shrink/grow
obtuse copper
"but mountain thane got avatar talents"
dire hinge
Probably still gonna look a bit odd when swapping from Slayer and seeing your ch...
just use the Vrykul Drinking Horn toy and be big all the time
it does put a dumb helmet on your head, but you can override it with the Aquatic Shades and look like a #coolDude instead
my dwarf is out here at human height with it
nova marsh
I imagine they kept it to just 5% so you don't notice a massive diff between spe...
Do growth pots affect hit boxes?
nova marsh
RPers in shambles
I mean I know different races do
Cuz I remeber back in Nighthold I saw a gnome dodge Trillax's lazors
hazy flower
I would assume so?
Probably to an extent, gnome has prob same hit box as tauren
So that its fair for all races
nova marsh
Actually no
I've seen some cases where like lazors have gone over a gnome's head and done zlitch....might've been a bug thou or was changed since legion cuz that'd be kinda stupid
obtuse copper
It's not always the case with diff races iirc
I remember seeing something on Tindral I think where using noggenfogger to become smaller made a targeted beam thinner
tender geyser
is there an addon that changes your graphic settings when u enter a dungeon?
like it does for raids and bgs
rare kite
there's prob a weakaura for it, if there's not you can make one
nova marsh
Bro completed the game