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No that we've sorted that - the Arms tree. That pretty standard for M+? I've seen some variations between this, WoWhead, and even the FAQ for Skyhold
this one is pretty much for big push
but you can use it anywhere in m+
you just dont need the extra stamina if you dont push
is there extra stam in the right side?
thanks for reminding me, need to update FAQ
@ arms men, send me wowhead link for generalist m+ build
p much what I'm running
some flex points here and there in class tree obv
imp ss goated
fuck soa
I like those extra 6 sec
same

ye
its insane that we have to talent for
I always do

its only 1 "irrelevant" point
race change to tauren 
for fury its the highest i think?
overgrown animal
I have homework to do
fall 27 and ad 26
surely we wont get braindead pugs that instead of 2chesting those keys we will deplete them

I’ll come brick them np
sure why not I'll be tanking anyway
Chad Taurens rise up
I got like 3 mogs that look good, is the big problem with being Tauren
How do season 4 raids work ? will we get another item lvl jump or will old raid items be scaled up to the current raid ?
Will i need to get the legendary again ?
nobody knows
Alright, thanks 👍
there is no info about s4 besides "revisit DF dungeons and raids"
prob not, best guess is that if u ahve the lego u will prob just have buy an upgrade token from a vendor like in SL s4 with the lego bow
Thanks!
SL legendary in S2 had n/hc/mythic ilvl as well, whereas fyralth only has one ilvl. Who knows if you’re going to have to get mythic tokens to get a mythic ilvl fyralath next season.
When a tank is grouping up a pull what global are you guys pressing? just overpowers and thunderclap?
apply some rend yeah
be careful sometimes they just do some light dmg so even with TC you could get aggro easily
okay
This always bothers me. Like if I can do my rotation while pulling, so can you!
DH could pretty much go for some body pull before even using their ability
try to pay attention
what they're using
everything has an animation
if dh only uses immo aura I'll melee + tc max
if you can see throw glaive you can overpower
would a focus target of target macro work?
I can't find any info on google
/target focustarget would help to keep on tanks current target during pulls if you're dead set on pumping while gathering
Yes
the ret I started playing with 2 days ago
I think he is a good ret
and I still beat him by 10k in eb even tho I died on big pull and he didnt
playig 2x BS?
x1
that kind of depends? Like whatever biz was running is understandable in that manner
on fortified week
enha which is turbo capped
and aug
so hes the only one that does uncapped aoe
ye in that case sure
I just depleted ad 26 on yazma
yet again
I swear to god
warriors need something for affix
shattering throw? 
ye
I had 5 affixes done on yazma
kiting the boss
from spiders and adds
and doing the affix
chatting
xdd
so first proper key on my warrior just done, I feel like my damage is lacking quite a lot.. Could someone see any glaring issues here? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fBd7mNPaQn2AxtTV#fight=last ❤️
at first glance looks ok, your breakdown seems fine (hard to tell exactly since dungeon to dungeon varies but rend/tr/ms/op highest are how it should look like) - also log seems to be bugged? Can't see your talents nor avatar casts at all (If you used avatar before wb on opener it's a good indication), generally spreading dots while gathering the pack (x2 tc at the start) your st opener also seems fine (ideally I would use bladestorm before wb in st but if you're still learning then don't trouble yourself with too much details)
so you got some of it right (at least) and now it's mostly practice
in general if you want log reviews from m+ I would much more recommend vod's
logs are kind of annoying to review when it comes to m+ so I'd get details action tracker and record your plays so you can upload it to youtube and share the link
thanks. playing this and I macro avatar to warbreaker
get rid of that macro
if you REALLY want a macro I'd macro wb to avatar
but I still wouldn't recommend it at all unless you will still have separate keybinds
talents seem good, you can swap strength of arms to improved ss if you want but it's not really that important - I myself prefer imp ss over soa any day but that's me
sure but if you will have avatar ready and the pack is at 50% say + next pull is big, you wouldn't want to waste avatar on that
it becomes a bit more complicated in high keys but in the range you sent log from you'd rather hold cds
which, with that macro, becomes quite impossible

I think SOA vs imp ss really depends on the dungeon
Guys, im kinda new to arms currently, how do i use Mortal strike efficient on single target? do i always use it on CD, or do i always try to empower it with overpowers or executes?
former outside of exe, latter inside of exe
I dont understand 😄 So you always pump it up? or use it on cd?
Outside of execute you want to use it on CD
Inside of execute you want to stack buffs (rage economy will often do this kinda automatically)
Ok i understand, lets say i have plenty of rage 2 stacks of executioners? do i even juice it more up with overpowers or spend it?
I spend, but worth asking an orange name cause that may not be absolutely best
But barring resets you'll generally have enough globals for 2 exes and an overpower between mortal strikes anyway
Hence some of the management being done for you
You wanna pump exe until you're forced to cast OP basically
Sometimes you get a string of 9 exe in a row tho
Yeah I know the new execute phase is like Exe as much as possible until you have to overpower then do it again, then mortal, I think
What’s the actual DPS difference between that and continuing to use MS on CD?
ok so
in execute
there is a new rotation
that was discovered only
for the current tierset
and this only applies if you are running test of might and jugg
(st raid build)
Execute if > 40 rage
Overpower if < 40 rage
Mortal strike if 2x Exe and 2x Op stacks
Mortal strike if 2x Exe and 1x Op stack in ToM + CS overlap
i have done some feelcraft testing in m+ with the jugg build and it feels like i do more damage in cds if i just spam execute until i lose the rage gen from reck
but thats from my experience
Do you happen to know how much the difference is between the 2 in ST environment?
The regular rotation is
3x exe -> ms if rage allows
2x exe -> op -> ms
iirc ppaw (who found it)
said 3%
I’ve been doing the old execute rotation because it is easier for my brain
the new one is more fun imo
That’s kinda big
i still do it but it feels way worse
Don't believe so
we get s1
there is some new disgusting tech with s1
Bet bet bet
I should read what it does, spent that season as prot
suddendeath
nothing
Love the cancelaura tech
just dmg amps
shit just hits harder and when it crits it increases all damage u deal
Wait, so next season we are cancelauraing sudden death?
with that tierset MS will be more valuable so we are going back to 3x exe -> ms / 2x exe -> op -> ms
Aye yo
unless they change something before then
sd doesnt interact
with our talents
something ive been complaining about since 10.2 ptr
a spec already struggling to spend rage
and u give us more free globals????????
at least make sd interact with shit
somewhere in between
most likely
overpower has been tuned into infinity
So we will have a cancelaura execute and a normal excecute? I imagine outside of execute range we still want sudden deaths tho right?
of course
I hope no cleave, no one could ever answer me as to how to work it into the rotation last season lol
Okay just making sure
most likely no cdr talent reaping swings
but we will be taking cleave most likely
yes
It sounds like we are gonna be in a really competitive spot next season
Or am I coping
spriest is gonna dominate
again
all their nerfs reverted
and they are getting s2 tier back
Oh that’s nuts
but i have a feeling warriors are gonna be good dmg wise
maybe not fury
fury has been lacking in aura buffs
I mean I think we will still suffer in M+ for not as much utility, but it sounds juicy in raid
warriors struggle
from the lack of damage
not utility
we need more damooge
see what myrt linked that picture
arms should be 400k
our damage is only 10% of what we can do boys
to be taken into keys
we NEED more
i want warriors to blast in dmg and do nothing else
fuck other people
im selfish as fuck
thats why im playing a warrior

true
what are best embellished setup?
But like why take war over the pally doing same dmg plus pally utility
3rd boss giga gapped bc reflects
I mean I don’t WANT to do utility
idk as fury im gapping everyone on st and then i just fall off on packs
last boss similar
im doing 230k consistently on bosses if i can get 2 sets of cds
one on pull and one in exe
as fury
as arms im around 200-210 i think
shit kinda needs to align
timer wise
funnily enough
this ret is warrior main
he just cba'd playing warrior
so he learned ret

"learned"
5 minutes to learn the rotation
look at other spells
use ur brain with sac and sov
save ur healer / squishies
understand that u have turn evil and shit
I mean he doesnt have turn evil but he's premade with druid
so I think
he knows what he's doing
oh yeha in that case
we got wm 29 now
kept the dh and mage
we had pretty decent timer in that 28
32/34
blasting
you make me want to play m+ and then i list my 27 atal
in the 28 I did like 4 weeks ago we had bigger pulls
and we repeatedly die to yazma
and worse timer
like 3 times in a row despite blasting the rest of the key
dude
ad 26
me ret rdudu wanted to up my key
it was easy 2chest
like 2 mins left from 2chesting even tho ret basically carried the dps hard
we ended up depleting
:xdd:
I need 2 more brained people
ret is just
so we can 3chest keys like these
too strong atm
but i think
their weakness
is in 2-3t
damage wise
half of their damage is irrelevant in certain pulls
is ur ret playing searing light
na
idk currently in season 3
my fav comp is (obv its based on whats meta +/-) vdh rdu/mw/disc + ret + rog/mage
my fav comp is 2x outlaw fury guardian druid mw
imagine
finding good guardian druid
ye the spec is pure brainrot
its an underdog because of community perception
hm?
and he said that it's easier for him to get invited to 29's than 27
nothing we're just trashtalking u
y same

sonic the hedgehog
I dont even try
prob has to do with knowing people / people knowing u arent a shitter
but yes realistically 28-29s are easier to get inved than 26-27
networking/tankiness
+the whole warrior rogue shenanigans
ye i was getting into 28s pretty easily albeit still havent timed one
idk bro just pump
earlier this patch
im probs pushing 10-20 more rio
and calling it
idk where cutoff will end
SURELY NOT 3750
SURELY
well it'll take time but
get into the key
requries a strong mental
gonna go
maybe if u were a bigshot streamer such as myself with my 2 viewer average (1 being my mom and the other being me on google chrome)
all ask my botnet to make u big stimmer
6 times this week
i went from
3 of them were today
30
29
29
29
28
pugged all of them
attempted today
and then i just gave up
20+++
20+++
20+++
20+++
20+++
20+++

Yo aagaard does your guild need a warrior
can i get rich
Can you show me your balls
Uh, with how non stackable warriors are rn, i doubt it, but i mean it doesnt hurt to ask 
Dont cast me to the rogues again
No I wanted to ask if youre looking for a healer actually
Spaz is the healer handler
@icy pecan
nah, hes not
@quasi torrent
man I wanted to do keys today
Big push
then tank went offline
😦
Theyre bad
I just want to get 3.7k
but pugging is so annoying
with a team its literally 1 fort and 1 tyrannical week of pushing
and youre done
but without team its just
pain
yup
hoping the guys wanna play when next season is announced
if not, then im staying title-less andy
I have
Probably enough in tyrannical done
but for some reason pugs struggle with fortified
when cutoff was like 3640, you could get by with mostly 29s
I mean
3.7k is like what
BRH 30 AD 30, 29 WC and Fall and rest 28
on both ids
around that
Which is very doable tbh
30 AD is not a problem same with 30 BRH
I think the most difficult key overall is literally 28 everbloom
in both ids
y
I think last boss or archmage wipes are actually legit
on 28 tyrannical
not easy
at all
Archmage is scary regardless
y
last boss is piss as fury at least
give back IP
i depleted a 29 once
eb
yalna was piss
(it wasnt for the rest of the group)
yalnu*
w/e
last boss eb
worst part of that boss
is just how fucking long it is
last boss is like
Yeh
2 years long
you just eventually run out of cooldowns
playing that boss as
resto shaman
xdddd
Think I’m ending my push at 3.3k this season it was my first 3k and everyone’s getting burnt out
Plus I cb a pugging it’s a little dreadful but I run into some good people along the way
I'm reaching 40% haste... I probably should investing on others huh
Nah
It goes back to original classic
I think specializing in certain arms(weapon type) was under arms tree
and dual wielding related stuffs were under fury
Well arms is another word for weapons
So I’d assume because arms is a “weapon master”
No arms is called arms because it mainly uses the arms
As opposed to Fury using 2 arms as well
Whereas with fury wielding the huge weapons they are stronger in the legs
Hence fury is also commonly known as legs
Man At Arms, and yet forced to use only 2Hs 
is deadly strike of the hydra better then corpse maker?
yea
this is mostly a retail server
i think fight club has for sod
❤️ ty
why is it a 26
didnt u have a 30
2 ret paladins on incorp is like warriors arguing who is gonna sunder armor in classic
idk do i pull an all nighter since i have to wake up semi early anyway and then survive without sleeping
what u didnt even 2 chest a 25 ad
xdd
rise 
so close to the golden ratio 
ratio dn
looks like too much masteery stack vers so it buffs leeggo
40/40/10/20 
remove gear to drop stats?
40/40/20/20
📈
Arms owns
120% effort, 120% stats
200% sims
Woah
afflicted means even more reason to take a pally over us
arms owns
hello friends, could someone enlighten me on my doubt?
i change my stats drastycally last week since i saw that my Sim was higher and i also notice better performance over all.
But im feeling that the single target is a little lower compared to my allies.
should i have changed something for thyran or as long as the overall is decent i dont care about it?? i have the feeling that boss fight take more time for my ST
Your stats are fine
It's hard to tell what you should change since we dont know your talents
Don't overthink it
The thing that changes your throughput the most is your talents and how well you play
If you're running some double bladestorm mbg build it's gonna cost you ST
but yeah, while arms doesnt have the greatest ST in keys if you really feel like you're lacking it's rather a performance issue unless your talents are turbo skewed
No lego - 10k st
ye, doing warlords torment since i noticed that
Hmm... trying this for ST. I like it so far instead of storm of swords
probaby feels better, but losing SoS rage dump is def a dps loss because of 🤮 ToM
That's 2% str increase for the storm of sword WW dump
i don't think it's worth more chance on ms
slam enjoyer lmao
dont cook
i think we ran it in S1
problem is MS isnt strong without OP so thats why we dont eb
You dont talk bad about Slam ok its gonna save Arms
i mean ive come 180 at first i didnt wanna slam at all.... now i im like hmm just make it worth pushing and we gucci tbh ;:D
is it ok to play ST on mythic tindral as arms?
yes
or u can play WB - IFTK
and just make sure u have for every set of something
for more pad
and keep roar for the harder sets
though fury is easier coz u can self break
Is arms fine on fyrak in terms of surviving?
has zero issues in heroic at all, no idea about mythic
Yea it's fine for mythic
Just be ethical and hard dodge
Cant really stand in suck 1 but that's like 4 gcds
it lives but you need to open ur eyes and stay awake
Not like you can soak beam as fury
it lives, but with effort instead of for free
Idk in p2 so far damage intake is a meme
IP the blaze and gg
yeh guess its mainly blaze
phase 1 the only realy tricky part is the dreamrend running situation
What i felt like is super good is just walling post mythic soak 1 when there's frontals and blazes
Cuz it also covers the drop
i was walling the running from dreamrend shizzle
we struggle alot there idk if our healing cds are dog
i basically IP + SR the initial dreamrend and then Dbts while running
I never tried walling there but we rally each so it feels chill
And worst case id dstance
Tho in p1 ds only feels great on drops or blaze post spaceglide
Cuz ur not going to boss insta anyways
i try to always either SR/IP or Dstance a soak/drop and if i think im taking a second blaze i use one there aswell
yeh prolly worth SR for that, i tend to have something always but might be easier just learning to SR it
I yoinked myself a reminder from lorrgs for sr and it's clean
Im just happy im out of the fury prison i put myself in tbh
If it ends up being an issue ill play fury to kill bird
But for now 1 fury 1 arm for us
same
Lucky bro!
I was asked to play fury again
Double fury
Few roster changes this week though so maybe I’ll be in luck and get to play arms!
Tell your RL to think hard
With rend I just sat in defence stance till boss was back in melee
I changed to fury because im a good boi
Just waiting for the fyark kill to switch back to arm
Didn't play ignore pain played fueled so had the wounds still ticking
Hmmm... vault god
-50 dkp in my book
i sat out my fury time on tindral, im stayin arms unless im big doodoo at surviving
Bro I constantly preach the execute stonks
It’s in one ear and out the other

And we don’t have an ass rogue so I’d be next best pi target for p3!
Sad sad
how good is pi on arms in p3 compared to other specs except for assa
i want to convince my rl to pi me
Fairly good iirc
i need numbers
its a very specific sim timing
pi*
pi timing
because its the pi on the CS before fatality
But this is also without your PI being timed with your CDs
which results in a way bigger tom for fatality
which then just rolls into massive overlaps
thats why i asked ppaw cause i remember talking to him about this specific pi window
i thought maybe he did some math or something
Rogues don't play sin much in raid tho
45 seconds execute patchwerk
Last few sub owns
maybe
but fatality is useless on it
maybe in expert mode u can add fatality stacks
no clue
and you would prob need to change the apl to not execute if boss is under 30% and tom isnt up
you avoid sin since sub does the same shit without using up an external
sad ngl
i like assa more
real
Its biggest value ever
Its give or take 6min of stacking that fatal mark
ye
Squeezing a bigger TOM is giga
can u set fatality stacks in expert mode maybe
and then run execute patchwerk like 45 seconds sim
Maybe im not sure
Easier to just do a 9 or 10min fight
I have some cursed line to hold the fatality proc
💀
Not at home yet will see if i can find them
ye wouldnt it be
ww ms on cd
slam if ms not available
ms is still more rage
damage/rage
and same rage
Should be that
Just give me a sim of you with 9min
And i check after
If im not lazy, i caught i cold
Btw if BL is on the same timing its probably not worth it actually
I did a 4m fatality on this boss without really min maxing my gameplay
So if you has everything its gonna be big
what happens with fatality if i run spiteful serenity ashes of the embersoul and tom
hurricane as well
that was my cook but im not reclearing yet
fuck hurricane
on smolderon
pi + lust 120% tom
ashes
prob missing some optimization
with gear
prob couldve ran augury over pips or something but this is fine i guess
also i found a while ago its better to send ms every 2 ep from 35 to 30
Mythic pips goes wild
Put it into apl and run the sim for it ig
Needed
im not even doing it cause i forget
but there are a lot of small ~200-300 dps optimizations
mostly cs gcds before big fatalitys
I’m gonna cs you before a big fatality


how many people got ther value leggos today
NA reset 
na isnt real
It's N/A
hmm, fun that Ember of Nullification beats Coiled Serpent Idol
ember is one of the best trinkets
for both st and aoe
last time i ran sims it was behind
pips at 489 and augury at 496
better than rezans/branch etc
if it crits
does leggo snapshot
ik on fury i can press it at the end of enrage and the cast timer doesnt change
but idk if vers from pips
counts for the entire duration
raid pugs are hilarious, so much plate dps
how is apl on ST for slam and tc? tc>slam always?
Generally you only tc to apply rend afaik
Slam if Crushing Force talented
vault has a myth track mirror or a myth track branch
i'm gonna try tonight
had a long talk at work
i wanna fuck my shit up first
I have got both Mirror and Fyralath... in which order should I pop my CDs? I usually go Mirror -> Avatar -> Thunderous Roar -> Fyr'alath, but I am not sure if this is optimal.
Also, should I wait to pop my CDs (Avatar and Thunderous Roar) with Fyr'alath? Or should I use them whenever available?
depends on the fight really
on pure st assuming no crucial mechanics like smolderon damage amp
u should leggo first
then pop all cds
a quick sim would help figuring it out
but yeah you should charge Leggo then go full brbrbrbr
if the sim looks funky we can always take a look at it anyway
i personally charge rend leggo troar ava cs ms ww
I'm sorry for being so newbie but... what does leggo stands for?
the leggondary
Oh
Right xD
Yeah, the simulation also says Fyralath first, then burst CDs
I've been doing diferently
Gonna try it out, thank you!
leggo my eggos
ok
overpower being the button that does the most overall damage for me is kinda hilarious.
eh, I guess if I'm adding dreanaught to overpower, I should add mastery to Mortal Strike
you got it right in that sentence
but they both benefit from mastery
its stupid that a filler has this much power
It’s kinda nice?
Although it also isn’t
It’s weird
Actually pressing the button that buffs your MS is nice
But it’s also weird that it does so much
thats the problem
MS is shit
without any Martial prowess buff
you look at pure number
its only saved because AM / TOM exists
i know i typed marital prowess
funny
no ability should be good only because it got buffed
I mean I don’t disagree with you much how like Execute is shit without Ashen
the entire spec is saved by tom cs overlaps
thats the only time i feel like im doing a fuck ton of dmg
is it worth full clearing the raid to get lego if you havent missed a week of fyrakk. Or just head strraight to fyrakk?
Just go kill him honestly.
You can full clear if you think you would feel down if you didn’t get it to drop again, just to soothe that anxiety ahead of time, but it’s not really necessary
Its overpowered 
is this with crit flask or not? just trynna learn
ye
for raid, You should always use crit flask at this point
it has 80-85% uptime on all bosses
thank you!
are any of the crafted weapons worth making over the others?
got the aspects for a 486
they all the same
kk, i figured. ty!
all same swing speed doesnt matter
not the one with the on-use though right?
i was hunter gang in BFA and Ret most of SL
now i'm gonna uncurse it
the weapon with the one use is useless
arms has been like
and take one of your embellishement craft
sanctum was like a 6/7 so that carries the average
hmmm
i was hunter main in Legion
did full clear to tindral and 0 lessers, neevr happened before
and only enjoying the fun part of Arms
mayube because i havbe 100% drop rate?
go get your lego
if you did full clean everytime you should has it
but i did kill mythic last week too, i dont know how those chances add up with heroic clears
just pull it and see what happens
can you send gold cross-server to your own characters? o.o
fuck augury at 489
Augury bout to be more rare than the legendary
im not even happy bro that i got the axe at this point
Still have all of the fated season to use it assuming they plan on letting you upgrade it
i mean they gonna do some rng shit again prob and im gonna get fucked once again
Felt
well
fall on tyra is pretty hard imo
ultimately we depleted to a stupid reason
but other than that felt solid so far so good
ur prot warr?
ye its just that when i think of the word hard i imagine tott
Felt the same... nice skin for future transmog
arms
no 30 key is "not hard"
2 sec longer shockwave is gonna be disgusting in pvp
gonna be 1 sec in pvp 10000000%
its still not set in stone
its first iteration but there isnt really a pvp or pve spec
but if i tdid 1000% half effective in pvp for a 1 sec increase
shockwave was always dogshit in pvp
as you dont need mass CC
but precise and timed one
i cant wait to not get a legendary again tomorrow morning
u hard slot shockwave as arms in arena
you wont shockwave the fucking healer 30 yards away
its still another stun for no cost not like ur losing dmg its not pve
and u can bolt a healer and shockwave
and in 3s its great
i mean every war in the AWC has run it and anyone playing on ladder
hi, do u use avatar before bs with warlord's torment?
the best dps opener is reroll ret paladin
where are the entrances to proving grounds that isnt grison?
any class trainer
the guys huddled up near the portal to org in dalaran
well idk if any class trainer will do but war trainers should
also where do we say we need to get 10 insta colossus might stacks so our first demolish cast isnt 0 stack feel bad
Don't use it on pulls dps loss 
nah
im scared now
the implications
are too much
Demolish root 🥴
holy fuck
fuck off
they think its "interesting"
holy shit
Slayer execute theme though
to be rooted
think tactically
Will save us
PLAY YOUR FUCKING GAME
in other words get fucked during cds
It's an important part of the theme guys


