Before this bug was implemented into SimC Executioner had aroud 90% uptime at 2-3 stacks in sims
#fury
radiant plank
bitter palm
grr
peak plaza
radiant plank
i see it now
Enlightenment
compact knot
yeah ok thats fucking insane
holy shit
i had 3 back to back to back procs on cleave
and dropped 2 stacks 2 seconds later
compact knot
that is like a insane buff if it works properly btw
radiant plank
that is like a insane buff if it works properly btw
Yep
Imagine arms on lura if this is fixed
bitter palm
bs cd wouldn't be so rng either
bitter palm
sometimes u sd and get 0 cdr
radiant plank
bs cd wouldn't be so rng either
30s vs 1min
compact knot
sometimes u sd and get 0 cdr
yeah i mean this is why i think its important to track ur stacks
idk how many other people do
but i game around that
unless cs is about to end
compact knot
30s vs 1min
yo ur tweet about melee range blew up
also some guy said "fdks too"
LMAO
radiant plank
yeah i mean this is why i think its important to track ur stacks
Sd isnt worth consuming btw if u have under 1 stack of executioner
compact knot
i mean if im at 1 stack i delay to try and get more
just have to remember when the 1st stack is gonna decay
compact knot
fdks can only use howling blast and and rune weapon from range
that might be worse then heroic throw only lowkey
bitter palm
ive been gaming sd the whole patch
compact knot
howling blast only deals damage when you get it to proc
signal falcon
Can also glacial advance from a distance (piss damage though)
bitter palm
ive been gaming sd the whole patch
idk if im doing it right tho
radiant plank
that might be worse then heroic throw only lowkey
Forgot wrecking throw
Actually clutch on Lura to make up for my teammates mistakes
lapis rose
Guys can someone explain thane now, we just press clap and thunder in 3+ targets on cd because of buff?
And out of CDs what is better trying snipe 100+ rampage with pressing execute or just rampage like 80-90?
fringe citrus
when do they remove the target cap on warrior
terse ether
when's .7 ?
knotty crag
Expected June 16th
terse ether
cheers
compact knot
when do they remove the target cap on warrior
never
bigger and better things to worry about
knotty crag
when do they remove the target cap on warrior
Sorry they gotta make sure DK stays #1 otherwise their sub count drops
compact knot
Sorry they gotta make sure DK stays #1 otherwise their sub count drops
unholy dps got bricked again apparently
claude fucked something up again
as per usual
knotty crag
Their glitch with 20% extra damage?
compact knot
yeah they fixed that
but then it makes the talent like not work at all now
idk the specifics
but it is gutting their dps inside cooldowns lmao
bitter palm
which talent
fringe citrus
the AI team making mistakes again oh no
versed temple
if I change my loot spec to prot for Chimaerus mythic, will i get a better chance at getting gaze on bonus roll?
knotty crag
But don't punish any person who abused it for io or used it to carry people
knotty crag
if I change my loot spec to prot for Chimaerus mythic, will i get a better chanc...
Yes it removed the one dogshit trinket
So only 3 possible items
compact knot
which talent
pretty sure their magus of the dead arent giving them 8% epidemic or death coil damage, and also not giving them 2% haste
which you have like 10 of them inside cooldowns
knotty crag
compact knot
which is a lot of dps lmfao
compact knot
its inconsistent too which is the funny part
you dont actually know when its happening or not
bitter palm
idk
compact knot
you have to log out to fix it
versed temple
Yes it removed the one dogshit trinket
thanks beast
compact knot
alot of under the radar bugs tbh
dense elbow
Nah, wdum 
lethal quiver
what is the rotation for slayer fury on aoe?
knotty crag
lethal quiver
so we never press raging blow right?
knotty crag
Maybe next season
jolly wind
Wait why not if I can rampage twice I just do it why wouldn’t you
compact knot
Wait why not if I can rampage twice I just do it why wouldn’t you
It's from a gameplay point of view I hate it
Rotationally it's optimal
I just think that it ruins the gameplay loop of the spec to push your only spender two or three times in a row
I hate it because its the right way to play
jolly wind
TBH I think I saw ppl prio exe over BT on AoE
I know I do
I press exe over bt everytime unless im low on health or i used regen
lethal quiver
with slayer and proc exe is good, otherwise execute is kinda thrash
uneven path
Yeh, like I am thinking that Exe buffs your rampage and it generates more rage
jolly wind
I just think that it ruins the gameplay loop of the spec to push your only spend...
One thing I hate so much is ur rampage icon lighting up like it’s rdy to press then ur reck ended and u cant press rampage but it stills lit up
lol
So annoying
warm crag
I just think that it ruins the gameplay loop of the spec to push your only spend...
50 cost rampage ruined the spec
feels extra bad with am
bitter palm
truth nuke
they should remove rage gen from reck
add battle cry back
make rampage giga fuck
but u press it less
burnt oxide
That sounds less fun and less engaging
red berry
50 cost rampage ruined the spec
i really really hate it
lethal quiver
is thane good for m+ after the buffs?
crystal prism
Fury Slayer Sims higher for me (5min 5bosses & 1Boss) then thane and Slayer Arms. Colossus is 10% higher in aoe but way behind st…
Is colossus just for coordinated groups and funnel?
Overall fury slayer (ilvl 282) sims better than my devour Dh (285)
edgy hearth
I'm seeing from a lot of sources that MT fury is much better for AOE and m+ overall, but as i've looked through the logs, most of the top furys actually play slayer in m+s. How do u guys feel about that. Just wanted ur opinion and i will be siming my char after the work with the slayer build for m+ to see the difference
undone flower
It is, it’s just keys is about timing not overall dmg 
edgy hearth
Also feeling like MT is slacking hard when to comes to ST, and it feels kinda bad
edgy hearth
So its just a thing in higher keys, when the elites and bosses doesnt just die, right?
undone flower
If you do a pack and the elite is still alive when shitters dies = you lost that amount of second off the timer
edgy hearth
sorry for asking those stupid questions, but im really new to the retail and fury warrior itself
undone flower
Like last time I compared thane with arms, arms just do 20-25% more prio dmg than thane
edgy hearth
arms slayer or arms col?
edgy hearth
will try the slayer fury today and see how it feels, cuz im not that competetive to care over 2-5% improvements haha
sour jungle
wtf is going wrong with the dungeons logs like I have 99 parse 99 key but it shows up as 96%?
ornate gust
what is the best voice pack for Exboss addon?
hazy spoke
Could you guys please give me some guidance? I feel like my performance is really weak.
This is my character, and if you need logs I can send them as well.
grand vale
Why do you have the lower ilvl weapon in mh?
hazy spoke
Why do you have the lower ilvl weapon in mh?
Does it affect performance? I was testing everything between dungeons, even my trinkets.
Honestly, I didn’t really feel much difference overall between dungeons. I’m actually pretty amateur at this stuff >>
grand vale
Does it affect performance? I was testing everything between dungeons, even my t...
Yes it does
though not extremely
the mh weapon dmg counts twice compared to the oh weapon dmg iirc
hazy spoke
One more “dumb” question ^^ I’ve seen this a lot. Does putting MH (Main Hand) affect stats in any way, or am I just being too Crazy about it... >>
I don’t think I’m going to take the MH from the raid
warm crag
can you rephrase your question?
whether a weapon is in your mh/oh only matters for ilvl, the secondaries dont get scaled seperately
hazy spoke
I’m not sure, I feel like MH is probably not the issue at all >> it just feels wrong logically. I swapped them around a lot and there wasn’t much difference in overall damage
sullen dove
the only thing that matters in regards to mainhand is you just put the higher ilvl weapon in it
thats it
warm crag
idk i cant tell the ilvls of your gear from a screenshot but you just put your higher ilvl weapon into the left slot and call it a day
hazy spoke
the only thing that matters in regards to mainhand is you just put the higher il...
okey >>
hazy spoke
X)
sullen dove
society
warm crag
I’m not sure, I feel like MH is probably not the issue at all >> it just feels ...
its likely that this isnt the issue though but we can't really provide more help than the low hanging fruit without seeing vods or logs
warm crag
for transparency i have literally no interest in vod reviewing
hazy spoke
No, when three people say it’s wrong, I’ll admit I was probably thinking about it incorrectly
sullen dove
yea i mean its not rly common knowledge and def never mentioned anywhere in the game
just kind of a weird idiosyncrasy of the game and gearing n shit
doesnt rly show up anywhere else other than weapons
like trinket or ring position doesnt matter
warm crag
is it even explained which slot is mh
sullen dove
aware
hazy spoke
I can’t really compete with the other classes right now. In big AoE situations like AA or packs where BL is used, I’m always below the tank
warm crag
thats just a fundamentals issue though
sullen dove
yea thats more likely to be some potential gear/ilvl/rotation issues among other things
warm crag
have you checked the wowhead guides?
hazy spoke
have you checked the wowhead guides?
I haven’t checked WoWHead yet > >I figured I’d ask here first
warm crag
check wowhead then it should get you 99% of the way there
radiant plank
wowhead is better than here
warm crag
idk especially if youre grey parsing youre probably misunderstanding some core concept that wowhead will just answer in like 3 minutes of reading
aware
hazy spoke
warm crag
Fury otps on vanguard
hmm why is this man only doing 4.4% of total damage done in a 20 man raid
i wonder if there is a malicious 21st entity that did 27% of fight damage
radiant plank
Hmmm
sullen dove
i wonder if there is a malicious 21st entity that did 27% of fight damage
this entity sounds quite... benevolent if anything based on your description
warm crag
dunno what i did wrong to parse on that fight
sullen dove
idk have big dmg in p3 and 4
warm crag
probs just not pressing buttons half the time in p3 cause im shitting my pants
warm crag
first time we got past first constellations i forgor to press execute until 24%
sullen dove
w shit
radiant plank
first time we got past first constellations i forgor to press execute until 24%
Massacre shuoldnt be a talent
hazy spoke
Also, one more thing >> if you were me, which of these trinkets would you use? >>
primal wing
With the latest changes to warrior (fury) is mountain thane back to being all around best for m+ or are we staying slayer? If this is something already posted can I get some direction to the post please 🙏🏼
sullen dove
Also, one more thing >> if you were me, which of these trinkets would you use? >...
some combo of number 2/3/5
mt should be better for m+
radiant plank
ilvl
sullen dove
kinda already was or at least was even enough
radiant plank
vague maxxing
sullen dove
now decent bit better
assuming u can like get full use out of cds and stuff doesnt die in like 12 seconds in a +10 or something
primal wing
mt should be better for m+
So basically back to original setup with MT being m+ and then slayer raid?
sullen dove
yea
primal wing
That wouldn’t change stat prio or trinkets would it?
sullen dove
not really
primal wing
What’s the usual priority? I tried searching for a current guide on YouTube but it doesn’t seem like anyone has uploaded recently. I feel pitiful in single target in my keys lol
whole dove
Is it time to thane max?
primal wing
Is it time to thane max?
radiant plank
Thane sure if you wanna kill the irrelevant smallies and make spec with funnel upset
burnt oxide
What’s the usual priority? I tried searching for a current guide on YouTube but ...
We like everything but vers
Mastery>haste(until ~1000 i would say) and crit after that.
BUT: the actual stats YOU want differs and depends highly on your gear and you should always sim and never follow stat prio blindly
primal wing
We like everything but vers
Mastery>haste(until ~1000 i would say) and crit afte...
I was seeing that bloodthirst was higher on prio list spell wise than like RB in most cases I’m assuming the breakdown would be somewhere on the line on
Thunderclap
Rampage
Bloodthirst
RB?
And then single target I have no idea
burnt oxide
What Situation we are talking about?
primal wing
What Situation we are talking about?
I was referring to a average - first pull AA mob density wise. Single target I don’t know how rotation changes to not struggle beating a guardian Druid on bosses lol
subtle lagoon
might be best to ask the pvp channel
eager jackal
Did not see it. Mb thanks
bitter moss
Is it normal that i'm strugglin so much with single target fury ?
languid willow
we are a very high uptime junkie. If you aren't playing with high apm and very high uptime your st will be very bad. I've noticed that's the biggest issue with ppl in thier dmg as fury st
ruby loom
Are we still playing Slayer after patch in high keys?
earnest canyon
Are we still playing Slayer after patch in high keys?
unborn musk
we are a very high uptime junkie. If you aren't playing with high apm and very h...
To piggieback a little on this, bad tanks are a big DPS loss for us.
If the tank doesn't keep the boss so that your movement from the target is small or negligable, you will lose a lot of uptime. Examples: Tanking Emberdawn in the middle, tanking Tyrranus far away from piles will tank your DPS
somber eagle
Yo, on +21 keys is slayer or MT more worth to play ?
lyric rain
Yo, on +21 keys is slayer or MT more worth to play ?
depends on comp i would say . i prefer slayer for boss/prio dmg
dense elbow
To piggieback a little on this, bad tanks are a big DPS loss for us.
If the ta...
If tank dont move, I dont move.
This be the rule I live by, even on Tyranus
past cedar
Hey guys! New warrior here! I dont understand quite right the icyveins explaining of the rotational priorities.
Do we prio bloodthrist or raging blow this season? If someone can explain, since it says different things
languid willow
i dont think either website or guide will ever tell you to prio RB over BT this season
ornate gust
when we keep prio thunder clap for 6+ target? only during cds?
subtle wasp
I recently learned that hitting RB over BT is a big DPS loss... so I only use it for filler
storm meadow
During execute phase in ST as Slayer, do we prefer spamming Rampage or cycling Rampage > BT > Exec in a cycle is better ?
fresh mango
I recently learned that hitting RB over BT is a big DPS loss... so I only use it...
With 7+ targets?
subtle wasp
With 7+ targets?
no idea, don't really pay attention to that.
grand vale
I recently learned that hitting RB over BT is a big DPS loss... so I only use it...
i think even if you remove rb from your action bars the dps loss is lower than if you press it at the wrong time
that's how bad it is atm
subtle wasp
oof
grand vale
like i was used to pressing it a lot because the last time i played fury was in legion
and it wasn't that bad back then
and when i ran my first keys as dps people were asking me if i even pressed buttons
that's how bad my old muscle memory rotation was
versed temple
is there somewhere I can see my goal stat distribution?
1163 haste, 947 mastery, 384 crit. not really sure what i should be looking for here, maybe more mastery>
smoky vale
you should not use a stat distribution as your goal
your best way to pick what gear you wear is using droptimizier and best gear on raidbots.com
but generally its mastery haste then crit then vers
olive wraith
During execute phase in ST as Slayer, do we prefer spamming Rampage or cycling R...
Exe>bt as slayer
quartz charm
Hi Guys, I would love that some of you could review my log
Im struggling to do high parses atm and I need a solid reference system to improve
how can I post in the log review forum¿
I leave it here
languid willow
looks like you did fine
you're active time alone
is the issue
10.5% downtime
is kinda rough
did you die?
quartz charm
not in CDs
languid willow
hard to see without actually looking at the key
but just looks like
you need to have more uptime
quartz charm
I mean, in general, I used to parse over 90 consistently while doing from +12 to +17/18
languid willow
route are more optimized, and efficient
quartz charm
but suddenly, since I started pushing+19, +20, my parses are always in the 60s
so Im concerned about what Im doing wrong
radiant plank
I mean, in general, I used to parse over 90 consistently while doing from +12 to...
you are parsing vs like 10000 players in that key range. In 20's you are parsing vs 50 players
so say u get a 90% parse with 10k players who have done that key, you were rank 1k ish
60% parse with 50 players is top 25
quartz charm
you are parsing vs like 10000 players in that key range. In 20's you are parsing...
I am aware of this, but I want to be in the 90% percentile anyway
like, I improved up to this point
I want to turn the corner
and go next level
languid willow
top 90%
is all dependent
on route
and cadence
you wont find that in pugs
a lot of the time
radiant plank
Vod review Noxivv and compare how you pot in keys and how he plays fights
rest is up to your routes
quartz charm
this is what I do
and what I always notice, is that the main difference is that reap the storm is his second dmg source
and in my case is third
always
languid willow
21 MT, our tank pulled like he was pull for dks and devs so i was able to pad as thane hella
radiant plank
Also you are vs Thane's in those keys who do fair bit more overall due to their useless pad
quartz charm
ok
I will try thane again
I dont know if I will be able to live without the single target dmg on bosses
quartz charm
ok
Correct me if I am wrong:
Rampage > thunder clap > BT in cleave
Rampage>BT>thunder clap in st?
execute when SD is about to expire or I have 2 stacks
is it corrrect?
patent topaz
languid willow
fight is like 80% st
opal monolith
@modest condor youre the worlds best warrior and this is your house ? ;D
elfin vortex
anyone knows how much exactly you should be siming with full bis gear?
opal monolith
Men live like this and think its fine
opal monolith
<:KEKW:1486426802762154225>
(apologies for the violation of your privacy but i was too damn surprised to see you were my neighbor)
modest condor
i didnt have early access so didnt have all that extra time to play with it and in midnight i havent felt like doing anything with it
fresh creek
will be gettigng beched for lura because warrior isnt in a good spot atm 🙁
burnt oxide
Well someone lied
fresh creek
Well someone lied
?
red berry
yeah we're not in a bad spot
fresh creek
well raid lead says warrior isnt that strong rn
burnt oxide
does not necesseraly mean he is right
it is just his perception
you would not stack them but always have one
fresh creek
yea they are prob gonna run a prot warr
ornate gust
will be gettigng beched for lura because warrior isnt in a good spot atm 🙁
I am benched the whole season 🤡
ornate gust
They just have prot warrior and gg.. pick other classes for dps
burnt oxide
I dont think the choice between arms and fury is the make or break here
fresh creek
only is 20k dps between loggs tho
top fury and top arms
so not that much of a difference
fresh creek
I am benched the whole season 🤡
feels bad man been there till beloren
and will kill it prob aswell
but after i am prob getting benched
misty edge
well raid lead says warrior isnt that strong rn
that would be a correct statement a month ago. dps warrior is average or above average on like every fight now
fresh creek
tell my raid lead that
ornate gust
that would be a correct statement a month ago. dps warrior is average or above a...
RLs copy top guilds rosters... They follow the same strategy
snow radish
zug zug, didnt have much time since patchday, is it thane > slayer now? or pretty even?
marble pilot
Still play preference. There is some min maxing you can do if your group need st vs aoe. But nothing major has changed
snow radish
ty sir
smoky vale
RLs copy top guilds rosters... They follow the same strategy
who lmao is in a top guild
but who is he
stiff maple
yippee!!!!
marble pilot
Basically 100% uptime fight. Im only doing lura heroic. But honestly I enjoy it
stiff maple
noober kiwicat
also not nice
drowsy heron
i miss OF giving WW stacks
smoky vale
got your attention though
stiff maple
what about a "hi kiwicat hello friend" that'd get my attention too
smoky vale
hi kiwicat, hello friend ^.^ :3
stiff maple
hi andaschmidipipeline57!!!! hello!!!! >w<
my guild spent 3 hours wiping to lura reclear last night and just decided we done for the week
im so pissed.
smoky vale
why wiping
stiff maple
we wiped to a bit of everything
i also got dc'd for like 40minutes but i dont think any of those pulls were even close regardless
bitter palm
57 times at 5.7%
stiff maple
i was hitting the boss hard asf on one of our pulls and then other side just died to soaks blowing up
i was so Happy and Joyful
stiff maple
i just want my 99 on lura lol
misty edge
why stop at 99
stiff maple
i had to tank last week and then we just dont kill the boss this week
stiff maple
why stop at 99
cus im noob
bitter palm
<:clueless:1099922541923024997>
bro
bitter palm
classic gio
stiff maple
🥀
bitter palm
lock in gang
smoky vale
i got double heal absorb
and my tnak pulled 2 fucking spear guys
so i got bolted back to back
and i just die
bitter palm
dstance...
smoky vale
because im playing wiht hpriest
misty edge
why were you on green this week
brown doesnt need any gear
bitter palm
these comps
bitter palm
prolly noob
smoky vale
from the guy that puts rain of chuds?
bitter palm
i think
stiff maple
yea
smoky vale
oh
bitter palm
u can reflect necrotic wave
smoky vale
yeah i did not
bitter palm
stiff maple
owned noob shoulda melded the spears
stiff maple
im totally nelf
skill issue.
smoky vale
and my tank did not pull warriors on 2nd boss
like
cheers
i just did 0 damage there too
drowsy heron
is there a spell reflect addon?
stiff maple
and my tank did not pull warriors on 2nd boss
you can tell tanks genuinely think they deserve to live
bitter palm
i wouldnt crash out overn ot getting funnel in a 19 or sum but in a 21
stiff maple
tbh though you should always ask for a route
winter shoal
is there a spell reflect addon?
Nope, #fury message + TargetedSpells addon is about the best you'll get
bitter palm
tbh though you should always ask for a route
if ure a tank
doing 21s and u dont know
arms has the best prio dmg in the game by a mile
and funnel
stiff maple
i mean yes
i agree with you
but the sad reality is a lot of people are bad and uninformed
and you must guide them to victory
i died in sr 21 yday cus i taunt reflected and the tank just let me keep aggro for the entire cast + 2 melees
was sick
languid willow
could be me, tank TOLD me to tautn reflect after intiermisson 3rd boss seat, watched it walk over to me and hit me, then ask why i taunted.
languid willow
love going to the zoo on a weekday
dry yarrow
winter shoal
You can just sim that for yourself with the gear you have available to you in raidbots top gear
Something like this, but with your character and gear https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tda81YxZZk7j4SZMFFQ3zR
languid willow
´By the way man, thanks for your help
of course!
somber thicket
So the +20 are the barier for invites^^ 1h none invs got full +19 :/
dense elbow
Always bounce your own key till you have at least 2-3 in the board
charred echo
I would even say it starts at 18s
dense elbow
I get invited to 19s, pretty much instantly for all but Aca
Aca ppl just dont want Fury
charred echo
cant get an invite in an 18 and i have 2 18s all others in 17s, obviously my key is an 18 that i already timed
dense elbow
Full 291?
charred echo
288 ilvl. actualy i wouldnt mind u checking and tell me if u see someting wrong. My char is : Garsaat on Hyjal-EU
charred echo
yeah i guess you NEED myth trinket to time an 18 ..... cringe
charred echo
it is cringe to not invite for 3 ilvl in a kex that is not that high in my opinion, but it is my point of view.
somber thicket
I pushed my key to +20 in 3 tries and then they key was bricked in 5m its fck depresion
winter shoal
Aca ppl just dont want Fury
I feasted in an acadmey 19 last night
except on vexamus I got every bomb so uptime was chalked
charred echo
if u say so xD
dense elbow
Ya now i am right
winter shoal
If you see two warriors who are otherwise identical, but one is 288 and the other is 291, of course you take the 291
dense elbow
^
charred echo
i mean i know people think like u, this being right is .... a personal opinion i guess
dense elbow
Pretty universal take, and i doubt you would do different
hushed gust
People think the megapulls out-weigh the bosses you can’t easily pull trash onto, but I disagree. That priority damage is much more important than Arms’ trash damage in that dungeon.
charred echo
i actualy dont care for 3 ilvl i check that the person timed a key same level and that he fits the comp, but i guess i should be a bit more of an asshole
winter shoal
What if the 291 person has also timed the same keys you have
dense elbow
Why do you pick the 288 over the 291 tho
charred echo
than i just pick randomly, once again 3 ilvl wont change shit for an 18, were not pushing 22s were taling 18
but i get ur point
i guess ill try to get a neck and trinkets
somber thicket
Waaaa got my first inv:D
charred echo
poggers
somber thicket
+20 MGT lets go:P
somber thicket
Yeah
dense elbow
I wish you the best, dont forget to reflect
queen aspen
sorry msut have been asked a thousand times, is thane better now than slayer in m+
dense elbow
If you need overall DPS, aka AoE, go Thane. If you need more focused DPS, go Slayer
If you enjoy having fun, play Slayer
olive wraith
slayer more fun, fun adds 15k(theoretical) dps
upbeat creek
stomp your feet or have your own personal gravitron
somber thicket
Yeah fck this game 1h wait for 7m of dungeon..... feral and rogue 150k overal withm my 240 at that time
undone quartz
stomp your feet or have your own personal gravitron
I love that ride. LOL
native moth
Guys thane is better than slay overall now?
undone quartz
they're nearly even. with one doing better overall because it can pad better. and the other doing nearly as well but being proc reliant and better with priority damage and single target. thats what i've been reading since tuesday. anyone can correct me if i have read incorrectly. I welcome that
native moth
got it
olive wraith
Tldr play what you enjoy
marble pilot
Its kinda nice that we have the option to play preference. But also its kinda lame that they are basically the same spec.
marble pilot
Sure. But at a super base level its just react to execute vs dont overcap tblast
Otherwise the same
That probably wont change though unless raging blow gets looked at. And thats a whole different conversation.
Overall I am happy that both are viable and people can play what they prefer
olive wraith
Couldn’t you oversimplify a lot of specs to make them sound the same
wispy thistle
i could appreciate a better apex talent personally
marble pilot
Probably. But I dont play other specs. And in general the different hero talents favor different talent builds.
Fury is the same build for both hero builds. You just move execute up the prio in one and not the other.
olive wraith
Oh ya our apex is boring as hell
red bolt
What do you guys think of sticking with fury in mythic paladins
olive wraith
I low key miss the brutal finish thing in tww
summer quail
Oh ya our apex is boring as hell
i'm fine with a boring apex. but i just don't like rampage rage reduction in reck, it makes no sense to me
summer quail
would make alot more sense if it cost more in reck
marble pilot
I dont love the apex in general. But I have gotten used to it so its fine
summer quail
but was alot stronger
marble pilot
It is weird though to sometimes not be hitting empowered stuff during reck cause I gotta rampage so often.
summer quail
^
marble pilot
Like when you have tblast and bloodbath ready to go. Or execute/bloodbath and you are just rampaging instead.
marble pilot
Yeah some of the fault cound be RA instead of the apex. But the apex is the new thing so its easier to blame
olive wraith
It would probably work a lot better if it was the DF version
Would also make us even flatter though
marble pilot
Curious to see what season 2 brings.
olive wraith
Should get the first hints in a month or so i think
marble pilot
Dunno how true it is but it kinda feels like we just flip flop between RB>BT and BT>RB every season
marble pilot
Yeah its weird. Cause we sorta have 2 low prio fillers. Like you can always WW instead of RB for filler. Ignoring numbers right now.
RB could be deleted tonight and I would hardly notice
queen aspen
Currently 6th in the world on Vorasius mythic oh wow
I just press rampage execute and bt in a decent order
olive wraith
Gl friend
storm rune
What's the target count for the aoe rotation? Only hard number I noticed was for thunderclap
Like just anytime it's not st?
compact knot
just push the buttons bro
queen aspen
https://tenor.com/view/will-ferrell-ricky-bobby-talladega-gif-948340546323263210...
truuuuuuuuuuuue
the fact that he got 12k more dps is crazy
compact knot
does he know
queen aspen
my boy procing sudden death every gcd or what
misty edge
no chance
compact knot
im doing 160k personally hwen i gear my 2nd warrior
silk wharf
my boy procing sudden death every gcd or what
40s quicker fight.
compact knot
also gets to cleave the adds off the boss ^-^
crazy that fdk can just hit the boss and do 170k dps
just gaps every other spec by a mile
smoky vale
does he know
el no sabe
stiff maple
My guild 1 phased this week and I didnt get to touch an add on chimaerus
Felt so weird...
storm rune
ye
mint reef
or still 1 point from cruelty
knotty crag
Massacre for Thane and cruelty for Slayer
storm rune
idk man, my first week back since November so I'm a little rusty but my ST damage is just fucking abysmal
Parsed a 71 but like 70k of the overall was on adds
fickle stirrup
Do we still run the same hero talents for every boss even after this weeks tuning?
feral parcel
idk man, my first week back since November so I'm a little rusty but my ST damag...
What trinkets are you running, my ST as thane is pretty solid.
storm rune
A champ heart and prism
Like I know 277ilvl is a little low, but that low of DPS can't be a gear diff
feral parcel
Need to get a puzzle box brotha
Get into a +10 AA and bonus roll a puzzle box, makes a huge difference
What weapons are you using
storm rune
This log should have my mostly updated gear
First time seeing the fight don't judge me too hard
feral parcel
Not judging brotha, on my mythic Chim kills I finished with 99k as thane. I think it’s ur trinkets and Ilvl.
I mainly push keys though
Ur mastery seems a bit low though
odd granite
Is it basically. Thane for big aoe keys and slayer when we want more st?
compact knot
probably just thane in everything
feral parcel
Slayer is currently the better spec
olive wraith
It’s play what you prefer
feral parcel
But I run Thane on everything
olive wraith
Slayer is currently the better spec
Nah fam
olive wraith
Wouldn’t even say gameplay is better
feral parcel
Slayer is better in m+ higher keys. If it’s not, then why are all the top players running slayer? :p
olive wraith
It’s literally preference
feral parcel
And what’s wrong with murlok IO? It’s literally top 50 IO players, lol
feral parcel
For clarity, I main thane regardless of what’s best
compact knot
And what’s wrong with murlok IO? It’s literally top 50 IO players, lol
it snapshots what people log out in
feral parcel
Currently resil 18, closing in on 3700IO
feral parcel
it snapshots what people log out in
Gotcha
feral parcel
So then, what’s a good website
olive wraith
Neopets.com is pretty good
feral parcel
Hell ya, ty
young swan
frank dawn
even Lord Noxiv has fallen to Thane
compact knot
then you probably still play thane
feral parcel
Noxiv da goat,
frank dawn
F
odd granite
slayer pretty much only in raid st?
knotty crag
Don't worry they'll give slayer a tiny tiny buff next week and have this convo again
olive wraith
You can still play slayer
compact knot
idk you can play either below title keys
olive wraith
You’re not doing world first keys
olive wraith
If you’re worried about the .01% swap to Colo and get a team to enable funnel
feral parcel
I’m not aiming for title keys, I’m aiming for resil 19, maybe 20s, but not too sure I desire to chase the keys that much
compact knot
both are very viable
knotty crag
Play both in 18s and see what you like better
compact knot
slayer didnt get nerfed or anything
and people timed 22s with slayer
its just that thane got buffed so its better now
odd granite
all i really wanted to know xD didnt want to start a war
Just meant pure numbers wise
ty
all
olive wraith
all i really wanted to know xD didnt want to start a war
You didn’t. You jumped in mid convo no worries bud
feral parcel
Nah I was just under the impression that slayer was better for higher keys, I was wrong
knotty crag
Arguing about a 1-4% diff on a talent tree just to get gapped by the other melee classes
Well not really arguing
olive wraith
What other melee? Udk?
feral parcel
^
knotty crag
And pally I've been seeing some really good ones lately
olive wraith
What gap? First pull gap?
Ret is pretty solid too rn afaik
Acting as if fury isn’t good in keys
knotty crag
90% of it is udk
feral parcel
In MY experiences, never gapped by a ret pally. Finished an 18 MC last night where I was behind ret behind 2k overall lol
olive wraith
Sure we’re not meta
autumn crag
Sorry if this is listed somewhere else but how should I be using my puzzlebox outside of opener?
olive wraith
Doesn’t mean we’re not good. Plus people will always try to optimize
rigid stirrup
I mean one thing fury has is consistency. You'll never top a 10+ mob first pull w lust compared to most classes but you carry your weight afterwords
olive wraith
Sorry if this is listed somewhere else but how should I be using my puzzlebox ou...
Whenever it lines up with cds
autumn crag
Looking at guides it says that I should be using my cds on cd so they don't necessarily line up does it matter which cd I use it with?
rigid stirrup
Looking at guides it says that I should be using my cds on cd so they don't nece...
usually aim for avatar/recklessness windows
olive wraith
Looking at guides it says that I should be using my cds on cd so they don't nece...
What are you playing
autumn crag
I should have mentioned I'm playing slayer
olive wraith
With rek then
autumn crag
kk, thanks
autumn crag
With rek then
so hold if it doesn't line up?
autumn crag
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olive wraith
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lapis rose
guys how i should sim correctly? i sim dslice and my slayer better then thane on 6k
lapis rose
5t on 5 mins?
olive wraith
Ye
autumn crag
Does that also apply to arms? I tried simming arms last night to see how it compared to my slayer leaning gear and it was considerably lower in dungeon slice.
lapis rose
i trying sim for keys and my slayer everywhere better somehow
lapis rose
Just do a 1t and a 5t and compare
so 7k slayer better st and 7k lower 5t, something like that, if i have feral and retpal ig slayer better for our comp ?
unborn musk
both warrior specs own
Whats does Arms owns? Certainly not pure ST
bitter palm
Whats does Arms owns? Certainly not pure ST
best prio dmg in the game best funnel in the game very good aoe
with funnel best st in the game
- slarms owns st too
only loses on prio and funnel to colo arms
still does pretty good aoe
unborn musk
I keep hearing that, but what I understand is: "if the stars align and you get a good team that plays around you and all the shebang you win big"
young swan
if there is a prio target ever, arms is absolutely fucking on fury
bitter palm
(there almost always is)
simple mural
I keep hearing that, but what I understand is: "if the stars align and you get a...
This is only true if tanks pull adds onto bosses for funnel, even without that arms is carrying dmg on the prio target which exists in every pack and is what actually speeds the key up
olive wraith
I keep hearing that, but what I understand is: "if the stars align and you get a...
I mean the ceiling is higher even if there’s conditions
bitter palm
slayer doesnt need funnel
and still shits on fury on prio dmg
the only downside of slayer is survivability but thats irrelevant till 22s/23s
and even then u live easily u just need to dstance more
unborn musk
if there is a prio target ever, arms is absolutely fucking on fury
I can agree with this regarding the trash mobs or during bossfights where a big add needs to die ASAP.
young swan
yeah generally that just speeds up keys more than killing bosses like 5 seconds faster
bitter palm
320k on 3t
olive wraith
Sheesh
unborn musk
Holy, the boss is it's own funnel 😱
modest condor
only loses on prio and funnel to colo arms
doesnt slarms beat colarms on funnel anyway?
like it doesnt have that one cleave talent
bitter palm
no
modest condor
but it still does more damage
bitter palm
colo beats slayer on prio/funnel
unborn musk
Ok, and what's enabling the funnel? The Collateral damage talent?
modest condor
ive seen slarms do 150k prio dps, dont think ive seen colarms do that
bitter palm
idk i only seen biz do 150k once
on sims colo beats it
also gap increased with the latest buffs for colo
bitter palm
Ok, and what's enabling the funnel? The Collateral damage talent?
a lot
fob is a huge one
tierset
cleave just doing absurd damage too
much much faster colossal might stacking
young swan
Ok, and what's enabling the funnel? The Collateral damage talent?
fervor of battle is the main one
bitter palm
slayer has everything except colossal might
colo beats it cause of cm and cleave and fob being strronger
olive wraith
Fob is the one that gives a free slam on target?
hot shell
Was looking for fury stuff, yet only see arms stuff. 
olive wraith
young swan
Fob is the one that gives a free slam on target?
yeah and it has +50% damage
olive wraith
yeah and it has +50% damage
Does it consume heroic strike
hot shell
Fury in AA feels even more useless than arms
young swan
Does it consume heroic strike
yep
olive wraith
Goodness
hot shell
Are yall back on the thane plane ?
unborn musk
Ok, gotta level that Arms toon
hot shell
Only managed to pull like 85-90k st on thane
undone quartz
i find it to be fun to play. i love when surge of power procs.. which is nearly ... never.. BUT!! when it does
young swan
yeah its very boring
olive wraith
I am happy the alpha version didn’t survive
young swan
i cant even remember what it was
hot shell
What was the alpha Version
young swan
but i remember it being shit
olive wraith
Breath of rek
undone quartz
noticed people saying they ignore RB. I may be guilty of pressing it too often.. when is it ever used? do we like crushing blow at least?
young swan
the only thing that interested me about alpha fury was having more crit focus
olive wraith
noticed people saying they ignore RB. I may be guilty of pressing it too often....
Its lowest prio filler
olive wraith
the only thing that interested me about alpha fury was having more crit focus
They really backpedaled on a lot
young swan
yeah
cowards
they should've doubled down until they got something that was both different and fun
hot shell
When will we finally get an uncapped targetcount during reck
young swan
they could've just had it be what it is now but crits provide 2x str value or smth
i guess its per cast on rampage?
atm
but yeah
olive wraith
For berserk?
young swan
lots of things they could've done that would've been cool and not suck shit
undone quartz
sometimes can fire 3 ramps off in 1 flick
olive wraith
Ya crits granted extra stack or whatever woulda been good
Let’s hope s2 tier doesn’t just over inflate rb and kill bt
young swan
they legit could've kept the 1% str figure if they changed it to individual rampage hits
with crits granting double the stacks
undone quartz
that sounds giga. i want that right now.
undone quartz
yes it would and with crit help from reck and the reduction. that would be fuuuuun
young swan
but more interesting perhap
yeah idk
they just hate creativity for warrior
have for a long time
undone quartz
id like a chain based attack thats ranged and not heroic throw
olive wraith
You’ll get your OF tier and like it
unborn musk
i find it to be fun to play. i love when surge of power procs.. which is nearly ...
The free avatar talent?
undone quartz
put wrecking throw on a chain please
hot shell
Why
undone quartz
because they aren't creative enough to create a different skill
undone quartz
The free avatar talent?
the empowered bloodthirsts
hot shell
They arent creative enough to remodel a specc in 15 years, then there is marksman who got 5 remodels in 3 xpacs
unborn musk
the empowered bloodthirsts
Right, those ones. They proc frequently enough for me, idk
undone quartz
it feels to me almost like annihilator but with different pictures on my buttons
olive wraith
What feels like that?
undone quartz
the pace of thane or fury as a whole atm
hot shell
Wait what
olive wraith
You lost me
hot shell
Fury is about 2x the apm of annihilator
olive wraith
Not that much
hot shell
I exaggarated obviously but its quite a big difference
olive wraith
We lost like 5apm with anni
young swan
I exaggarated obviously but its quite a big difference
its not
hot shell
Wait holdon
undone quartz
even with fast enrage it feels similar to me
hot shell
Im thinking about annihilator Talent tree of dh while u talk a Talent
undone quartz
im talking about the talent that merced RB right?
young swan
yeah
undone quartz
we got to slam for a little bit
hot shell
Thats my bad. Brain just jumped to op stuff as always 
olive wraith
Again. It’s like a 5apm diff
undone quartz
yea .. i just feel like i have been here before... but the scenery is differnt lol
undone quartz
i have a log of me gettin jiggy in a 16 is there a way to look at my apm
olive wraith
I think so
But ramp might still be counting as more than 1 cast
And we had a proc that triggered a cast too I think
hot shell
Top logs for fury are all around 80cpm
olive wraith
Ya that’s gotta be inflated with something
modest condor
fury's apm is in the mid 60s yeah
hot shell
In keys ?
modest condor
in everything
modest condor
did you even read kalaiath's messages?
hot shell
How is "gotta be inflated" any valuable information
olive wraith
Reading hard
olive wraith
But ramp might still be counting as more than 1 cast
hot shell
So how many cpm is every rampage worth
modest condor
odyns fury is counted as 5 casts and each unhinged bt is counted as a cast
i think rampage isnt counted as multiple casts anymore
olive wraith
You’d have to log yourself casting 1 I guess
And see
I think rb refreshing itself counted as a cast at one point?
hot shell
So is there anyone who mathed that out / chrcked whats going on and got actual numbers or is everything guesswork
modest condor
raidbots tells you your average apm in the full html report
hot shell
Ok so 68 is the non inflated value. Little odd that wcl counts non Action as Action but.. eh
modest condor
i mean wcl just shows you what the logs tell them
they dont know something is wrong until they're told
hot shell
Yes. Its just very missleading if you compare raidbots apm with wcl.
Cause if you know your average apm should be mid 60s, check your logs and HAVE mid 60s, it means you miss apms
young perch
is dslice supported for fury sims?
olive wraith
No
fickle stirrup
Is it Slayer > Thane for every boss besides Dragons and Vanguard for Mythic still?
fickle stirrup
I'll try Thane for Sal, ty!
tepid solar
Besides brage on fear, is there any other tech for that fight dps warrior should know about?
Dragons btw mythic
winter shoal
Wrecking throw on paladins shield
Oh you meant specifically for dragons
not really no
winter shoal
Nah just use SR when orbs are coming out for the damage reduction
red charm
is the stats good for MT
tepid solar
Nah just use SR when orbs are coming out for the damage reduction
ok ty
thorny zenith
if melee aren't allowed to hit little adds when up top on mythic chim is slayer better?
just for parsing lol
past cedar
Do we press Rend only on ST?
modest condor
yes, and only as slayer
modest condor
if it's close you can but you shouldnt really hold it for long
like maybe a couple of seconds
past cedar
From a opener perspective
lusty jungle
11% speed hell yeah
lusty jungle
From a opener perspective
No u rek storm rampage then odyn
olive wraith
From a opener perspective
Think we of then rek
olive wraith
No u rek storm rampage then odyn
Not this
lusty jungle
You do for the dmg amp stack
olive wraith
So you send a bs without enrage?
lusty jungle
Bs will enrage you in less than a second
summer quail
Mans trolling sending a non enraged free bb
lusty jungle
Ye ok go check any top 10s and keep yappin
olive wraith
I’m almost positive you want to enrage first
lusty jungle
You do you
winter shoal
You absolutely want to enrage first
olive wraith
Why not before though?
summer quail
Ye ok go check any top 10s and keep yappin
Rank 1 vora
olive wraith
wouldn’t you want to bb as many times as possible
lusty jungle
Rank 1 vora
Do you see odyns before storm?
summer quail
What, were talking about rampage before the storm. Not of
lusty jungle
Think we of then rek
Na talking about this
summer quail
Oh then nvm. Misunderstanding
summer quail
Bs will enrage you in less than a second
Coz i saw this comment and you absolutely want to be enraged before you storm
jolly wind
Sometimes I just say fck it and send the bs cuz I don’t wanna wait for reck
Dunno if that’s bad tho
winter shoal
Do u guys always bs with reck
Send BS if reck is 30s away (in single target)
olive wraith
Na talking about this
Sure but isn’t it better to of before though? Why is of after better
lusty jungle
Because bladestorm stacks your damage amp
olive wraith
Most of OF damage is from the bleed. So you’re still amping roughly half of it
lusty jungle
As thane you do it obviously but not slayer, at least I don't
olive wraith
Wait which damage amp we talking
winter shoal
overwhelm
winter shoal
I doubt it's MUCH better but sim does this
I def did OF before ramp when I got r1 averzian boss dam
winter shoal
yeah what is wrong with you
only got r3 this week feelsbadman
compact knot
its using as much rage as possible
sullen dove
i got r4 lura yippee
winter shoal
Yuge
lusty jungle
Do people actually look at boss damage logs
compact knot
Do people actually look at boss damage logs
yes...
lusty jungle
X to the D
winter shoal
Do people actually look at boss damage logs
I do because I can't be bothered to try and bribe my guild to not pad so that I can
compact knot
its more relevant now
sullen dove
did almost 500k in p4 :icant:
compact knot
esp in good guilds
compact knot
3k under r1 grrr
fury doesnt have like 1 chinese guy with 30 arms warriors lmao
ts is crazy
sullen dove
yea arms prolly like 20x more skill expression
they seem to care about that alot more
higher ceiling too for sure
top arms like 20k above top fury
despite p1 fury pad
fun times
lusty jungle
My last voidspire was with 4 devourers, only 99 I got was vorasius
paladins im just too bad on
compact knot
paladins is a tank boss mostly
sullen dove
we rekilled 6 bosses and didnt kill paladins...
so sad...
wanna do it so badly man..
i miss colossus cleave spam
compact knot
if tanks are good with movement then you parse much better
winter shoal
we rekilled 6 bosses and didnt kill paladins...
We were about to rekill alleria and then our tank procced a fat finger transcendence and she jumped across the platform as the last void zone was coming out
despairge
my log was gonna be cheeks either way though
winter shoal
Yes
sullen dove
boss still goes that far?
winter shoal
Well the tank transcendenced across the platform