fury

[sinful pelican]

my 2 cents more dmg and more fun prob

granted slayer also has cd reducing tech but doesnt feel as fast trying to line it up

[winter shoal]

Yeah but you might get told to just sim it

[knotty crag]

Anyone else having server issues?

[brazen kernel]

100%

just dcd me

[knotty crag]

Same

[winter shoal]

Like half of NA got nuked I think

People in my raid on my server got DCd but I'm still in

[smoky vale]

W

[winter shoal]

Did my first 17 today gio

easy ++

[smoky vale]

on red or brown

[winter shoal]

Brown

Red class stinks

[smoky vale]

W

good job

[winter shoal]

I look boosted as hell on rio now though

[smoky vale]

i havent gotten io in 4 weeks

its okay

[winter shoal]

I got +47 in one key

[smoky vale]

my evoker atm

it was gonna have a 21 but my dh nuked the key

would have been like + 120

[olive wraith]

Thane suffers more from things dying quick imo

[winter shoal]

We were piping an 18AA after but our DH DCd

[lean heart]

this is awesome

[winter shoal]

statement?

[smoky vale]

57

[lean heart]

whole guild constantly cd'ing its joever

[storm birch]

That’s sickkkkk!! I’m having major fomo. House still has 2 months on the build time but we’re getting there!! Second baby was just born on the 21st. How is current state of WoW post all the changes they made ?

Yeoooo!! Nice to see ya hope you’re well

[frozen zinc]

is thane worth running in AA or still slayer for the vile lasher prio?

im simming within 3% on ST with thane and a decent amount more on aoe but i know thanes prio isnt great so hard to compare relevant dps

[spare pagoda]

I got a myth wep (hast/mast axe) from vault but currently have crit/mast one from pit and a crafted with hunt. How impactful is the hunt embellishment? Would it be beneficial to run 2 298 or 1 298 and crafted 295?

[woven valley]

almost all sims show crafted is better than double myth

[frozen zinc]

hunt tends to sim better then the 3 ilvl + another craft but id sim it

[woven valley]

but it could be diff for you

cause its based on stats

[olive wraith]

Imo AA is one of the few dungeons where I’d say slayer is better than thane

[frozen zinc]

is it similar to arms where you go slayer in AA and SR?

or is it even needed in SR with the thane buffs

[olive wraith]

Idk much about arms

Afaik both are good

SR you can cheese the last boss with bs I think

And half the bosses are pure st

[frozen zinc]

thanks

[summer quail]

you cannot

[olive wraith]

Ah rip

[jade cipher]

guys

if i'm low on mastery can i just play powerful enrage

to make up for it

[quasi fractal]

You could sim those talents and see if its better for your stats

[olive wraith]

I wouldn’t

[rancid zenith]

is raidbots not updated yet, or somehow slayer still sims higher than MT on dungeonslice ?
btw if I'm simming wrong for m+, please tell me that.

[ornate ibex]

dungeon slice is not currently maintained well for warrior

[summer quail]

That's not really how it works. Also frenzied is not 15% flat. At 27% haste it puts me at 46%(+19%)

[sly merlin]

got all my juice today

[dawn dawn]

ur gear really similar to mine, i think crafted cape sims better than ur heroic one too if u got free sparks

[sly merlin]

yeah im gonna craft one as soon as i get some more crests

[dawn dawn]

hell ye

[rich palm]

Is slayer still the go to on egg boss after buffs?

[rancid zenith]

I'm also wondering what setting works. Would anyone please ?

[ornate ibex]

just sim patchwerk 8t for like 1 min

[rancid zenith]

1 min is sure ?

[olive wraith]

1t5m and 5t5min

Just kinda take what works for both

There’s no good way to sim keys

[ornate ibex]

yeah tbh the way you sim doesn't really matter too much

[smoky vale]

@sudden tusk are you done with 3.7?

[sudden tusk]

i reply in shmio chat

[neat gazelle]

Does thane have any prio damage or is it all pad aoe?

[compact knot]

the spec itself is prio but afaik its prio is worse then slayer

so aoe pad

[sudden tusk]

its pad but its close to slayer now

[neat gazelle]

Ok cool. Ran it in some 18s/19s today and felt pretty good

Boring to play but decent numbers haha

[sinful sequoia]

but if you take double myth you can craft 2nd weaving and this sims always better as 1x weaving 1x hunt for me at least

[vague copper]

is this the MT specc we run for now?

[sour jungle]

not much healing mister

[lapis rose]

Guys thane and slayer close now?

[trail sapphire]

hello guys, so after Mountain thane getting buffed is it better than Slayer?

m+ wise

[plush cypress]

They are close but in higher keys i think the way to go is slayer since on thane u pad a lot and do pretty bad prio

[haughty carbon]

Thane getting buffed make Thane > in mm+

[plush cypress]

So if your focus is to finish the key and dont mind the bit lower overall i think slayer

And slayer is much more fun

But both are very viable

[covert coyote]

Slayer more RNG dependent right now. It is less tanky than MT too.

group comp honestly will have more impact on the choice of what to play

[smoky vale]

larping larping larping sahuring

[compact knot]

type shit

[smoky vale]

have you given up on keys

[compact knot]

i think im taking a bit of a break

[smoky vale]

its not fun sitting in lfg man

[compact knot]

yeah

that killed it a bit for me

as long as im rank 1 in raid

[languid willow]

I spend 5 hours in lfg

30 min in keys

this game is hella chill

[olive wraith]

It works but you don’t have either of our defensive talents

Might not matter if you’re not pushing that high

[vague copper]

im in the 16-17 keys just started my warrior this week again after like 1 month of bench 😛

Guess you can go this aswell.

Just to get second wind and er

[covert coyote]

2nd wind kinda mid, I'd drop it for the 3% healing bandage. and without wrecking throw I'd drop javalineer for the increased duration on rally talent instead

[delicate lion]

is this just bad. The damage gain from the random spell cant be better than me gaining mastery right? If I roll it to set gear

[fervent patio]

Simothy Jr. III

[delicate lion]

can I sim gear that I dont have

[fervent patio]

yep

[delicate lion]

raidbots?

[fervent patio]

just search it in the gear lookup

ye

DM me ur string and i'll do it if you want

[delicate lion]

is that the command when I copy with simc?

[fervent patio]

yea

[delicate lion]

oh awesome ty

[fading sky]

last i checked

bis gloves

[visual breach]

noob question, does odyns enrage you first then do its damage or am i losing damage by not being enraged before using it...

[storm rune]

enrage > damage

[fervent patio]

Odyns is good for opening too tho

[visual breach]

copy, t y

[covert coyote]

for my thane opener OF is my first GCD of combat

[terse ether]

Only for thane

For slayer you want to be enraged first

[shy knot]

What would be some big fury pieces to chase if Im fully bised out on arms ? But all crit/haste gear

[bitter palm]

bifurcation ring prolly and craft a neck

[compact knot]

most of the loot pool from magisters is insane

[bitter palm]

if u cant get lura neck

man its so dumb

there are no mastery necks from m+

like wtf

[compact knot]

yeah i mean

the necks this tier suck

its literally crafted neck or lura neck if you want mastery on neck

[bitter palm]

like u kinda just have to craft one if u dont raid

ye

[shy knot]

Yeah prolly have to

We are on paladins rn

So just spam MT and send it

Weapon + ring would be aloooot of stats

And craft neck

[bitter palm]

magisters has insane fury gear

[shy knot]

Other weapons are crafted/crit+haste weapon and mast/vers

Both kinda sucky tbh

What about the seat gloves?

Is that any better than arms

Btw a different question:

If you get as slayer multiple SD procs to reduce BS cd so much it disaligns with reck

On ST boss

Do you just send it ?

[peak plaza]

iirc if its over 30s on reck yes

but that value might have changed

[unborn musk]

More work for us JC 😎

[unborn musk]

Yep, I used most of my bonus rolls on there. Glorious gearing

[unborn musk]

I'd love if Odyn's would also give you 4 stacks of IWW, as the old Titan's Torment. Would make the rotation so much more fluid

[dense elbow]

TT didnt give IWW, TT was avatar

I kinda enjoy that OF is its own dam button, that doesnt synergise or grant after effects

There is beauty in how simple it is. No pushing it around to MinMax something else...

Press button do damage nothing more, nothing less

[lusty jungle]

Pit of saron neck and double haste/mastery rings was the best sim for me

[unborn musk]

I am 100% sure something made OF give IWW stacks in DF. But idk if it was TT or another talent

[near pasture]

it was a talent that did from memory

[unborn musk]

Aaah, OF had follow-up talents, right, I remember now

[grand vale]

I got all of it

ALL of it

[strange drift]

anything changed talent-wise on thane/slay m+ ?

[grand vale]

Because i got the weapon on last roll -.-

[fervent patio]

Thats a lot of words for "Zug Zug"

zug zug indeed brother

[candid oasis]

Same 😂

[ripe shore]

Stupid question, but can Twintops Resource Bar addon be used to track Enrage? 🤔

[grand vale]

doesnt it just track rage thresholds for certain skills

?

[ripe shore]

Yeah but I mean a seperate tracker for the actual enrage buff

Using the built in cooldown manager atm but it's finnicky and likes to move around

The prot version tracks things like ignore pain and shield block so I would've assumed Furys profile tracks Enrage since it tracks WW but I can't find anything for enrage 🤔

[lusty jungle]

damn we breached 400k dps 5T 5M

totally back

[ripe shore]

Top bar is enrage tracker, randomly disappears in combat for no reason, reload out of combat and it's fucking wonky

[bitter palm]

its bugged

[radiant plank]

Yep

Known bug

[bitter palm]

it just disappears randomly

[ripe shore]

Ahhh ok, good to know, thought I was going insane

[earnest cloud]

Raidbots not updates yet? looks like same dps simed

[radiant plank]

sim latest

[earnest cloud]

but dps the same

[ripe shore]

I assume the disappearing enrage tracker also does the same for the buff icons as well..

Nvm it does, bet it's using a different buff id

[burnt oxide]

the buff icon stays, but it vanishes in cdm

what about it?

[torpid kernel]

in terms of powerful enrage vs frenzied

is there a reason we're 99% of the time picking haste? I understand ai says it'll do the most damage, but in terms of practical play that much haste sounds as though it'll cause fumbles in gcds

is it really that bad to pick mastery?

[sullen dove]

another 15% isnt really that much still

its probably not the worst thing in the world

just worse than frenzied simple as but idk can sim to see the difference and play whichever u prefer

[torpid kernel]

i didnt know if powerful was simply bugged or something

[sullen dove]

no just 15% more of like 40% mastery we have right now is less valuable than 15% out of like 25-30% haste we have right now

but future seasons that might change if we get enough haste from our gear to hit the same relative "breakpoint" for how much haste we want to have

[keen oak]

Hello guys, I wanted to ask, in AA what buff do yall take? Mastery or haste?

[regal lava]

Depends on your stat spread, I imagine

[keen oak]

Well thats hte thing I kinda wanted to sim it but im kinda lost with that "new" raidbots, havent played pve eversince shadowlands s1 ended. So yeah idk how and what stat would be more ideal, these are my stats atm.

[autumn fiber]

Quick question guys — I’m switching from Arms to Fury, and most of my current gear/enchants are still crit/haste.

I tried simming different setups by swapping my crafted gear to haste/mastery and mastery/vers, and I also changed my flask from Shattered Sun to Magister’s. But even after those changes, the sim still shows my crit/haste setup performing better.

Is that normal for Fury?

Right now my stats are sitting at a little over 1k haste and crit, while mastery is only around 500.

[lusty jungle]

share sim

[regal lava]

Your haste and mastery look pretty good, might even wanna pick up crit in AA. But haste if you don't wanna do that. Assuming you're mountain thane

[keen oak]

Well I kinda wanna run mountain in all the dungs but I was told that slayer outperforms it a lot, but i just like the consistency of the CDs on Mountain more. Tryin slayer rn depending on what talentbuild is recommended for each dung on archon. But yeah I didnt even consider crit as an option, ill give it a shot

[gritty locust]

Im simming 110.8k mountain thane on 1 boss 3 minuts

[regal lava]

I think if you're running slayer then mastery always in AA, but thane tends to have much more consistent aoe in M+

[keen oak]

Yeah I also think its kinda better with the consistent dmg on aoe pulls I was just told that slayer is better for some reason from plenty of ppl that are runnin higher keys than I do, so i am tryin it out since I only did my first 18 2 days ago

But I guess on these m+ levels it doesnt even matter that much

[regal lava]

From what I've seen consistently this season almost no one is even running slayer in high keys so I figured that must be due to low performance because I've not seen a source indicating slayer outperforming thane in M+ but would be keen to see a source indicating that

[keen oak]

Only thing ive found is archon with their stats and idk how much of a reliable source that is but u can check it out. https://www.archon.gg/wow/builds/fury/warrior/mythic-plus/talents/high-keys/all-dungeons/this-week#hero-talents
I was told by few people I used to play with that are playin fury since I wasnt much of a warr player myself, more of a brainless 3 button spam havoc player but that shit is burried 6 feet deep so I swapped so I am still looking for new stuff :D

[forest vortex]

what's the best way to sim M+ for fury? patchwerk 5 targets 2 mins?

[lusty jungle]

I just do 5t 5m

[forest vortex]

gaze on champion 6/6 is better than a 285 Guilon... like what?

[somber thicket]

Buffs are live? I got the same sims...

[turbid bay]

how does arms and fury feel on lura seems kinda eh?

feel like stuff dies too fast for arms

[unborn musk]

That's what I'm also getting for some reason. Changing some pieces to crit instead of haste or mastery yields better results.

[grim chasm]

Crit is very good for fury as well. All stats are pretty close tbh (except for vers, that stat sucks for everyone). You guys should link your sims though that are in question. Then we can help out better in here.

[crisp maple]

after this fix is good mountaid thane or slayer fury??

[storm rune]

I'd say so

[spring needle]

Why didn’t fury get a single target buff lol

I kinda hope MT is king again. Slayer always feels weird to me having to press WW as filler

[lusty jungle]

you clap as thane as filler, whats the difference

[signal falcon]

We need a synthesis of the hero talents

Big claps with yuge exe and bladestorms too

[lusty jungle]

whirlwind should trigger claps and claps should trigger storm tornados

[turbid spruce]

Do you guys think its a big mistake to play fury in vanguard?

Or just whatever have fun

[fading sky]

Because the st is quite good?

[fading sky]

Mythoc

Yes

Hc who cares

[spring needle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-more-gif-21856591

[fading sky]

Arent u top on st in most keys?

[languid willow]

think he meant more for raid

[turbid spruce]

They dont go wild on fury st cause everything cleaves so a st buff is also a aoe buff

[fading sky]

Y imagine if fury was rly strong on 5t

Dks and and locks cant have tjat

[timid tide]

You literally treat it the same way as clap/blast. You want to use WW for the buff, aside from being your aoe

[modest condor]

1: that would only matter if our 5 target was actually too strong which it isnt
2: they can just change the whirlwind cleave coefficient if it was

[timid tide]

How is vanguard slayer fight? I thought it's MT coz you pretty much have 3 targets, not a st. Although no adds to pad

[stoic loom]

Being strong at the # of targets were capped at? Unthinkable

[icy whale]

Do we spam tb/tc at 6 or 7 targets?

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[turbid spruce]

Thane will do more damage cause its a 2-3 target fight, slayer wins in pure st

[timid tide]

Yes, and say it's a mythic fight, which hero spec ends up with more DPS?

[fading sky]

Ikr

[turbid spruce]

Thane

[charred flint]

eh that aint it we were pretty good single target on last tier

[modest condor]

7

[fading sky]

Yup, and near meta in m+

Cant have that

This tier both undertuned and a raid that plays to burst in which we have 0

[static nest]

col arms w/ funnel you can argue for being near meta

fury isn't even close xd

nvm I misinterpreted mb

cant read anyway or i wouldn't be in skyhold to begin with

[dense elbow]

Ppl talking arms in Fury again? All i gotta say:
Arms Trolls,booo!

[oak raven]

any plater profiles you can recommend?

[dreamy saffron]

Is thane now with the buffs the way to go on M+?

[topaz fossil]

Always been m+ better

[humble lark]

is that right? looking at murloc most seems to play slayer or atleast before patch

[stoic loom]

Play w/e u want

[sour jungle]

what are you guys running on chima thane or slay

[topaz fossil]

Both are doing good but i think thane is more fluide in M+

[topaz fossil]

Slay

[topaz fossil]

Slay you have more uptime single target

[drowsy heron]

Slayer ST is better so i tend to lean that way most of the time for M+ now, but its all preference and key level

[neat gazelle]

i dont think slayer aoe is bad at all

but thane is so so so easy lol

everything just lines up all the time

so easy that its almost boring lol

[topaz fossil]

Move 1 point to get the 4 stack of aoe and you will perfome excellent in aoe or st

[neat gazelle]

??

[winter shoal]

jundies forever and always

[smoky vale]

gm bowwl

[winter shoal]

bro woke up and is already wrong

[olive wraith]

Slayer is arguably easier

[neat gazelle]

interesting

@olive wraith what makes you think that? (you could be right just curious)

[olive wraith]

Prio is less cluttered during cooldowns. And you can effectively ignore rb in aoe

And for newer players. If you hit whatever lights up you’ll do okay. Thane has a problem of every button lights up

[neat gazelle]

thats not a bad take! i can see your point there!

do you only send BS on reck?

[soft flicker]

unless you get horrible sudden death procs

[olive wraith]

Nah sometimes I hold

But that’s not exactly increasing difficulty

[neat gazelle]

oh so youll send bs without CDs if they arent lined up correctly?

[olive wraith]

Sometimes

[soft flicker]

sometimes you get mad procs on sudden death and bs is up 40s earlier, then i just send it

[olive wraith]

The hp of the remaining mobs is more of a gauge than anything

[soft flicker]

depending on pull size and hp

[olive wraith]

And I wanna be clear. Both hero trees are very easy. IMO thane is just slightly harder. Like barely any more difficult

[soft flicker]

i always try to have bs + reck up when entering a new pull to get insta overwhelm on enemies

feel like both specs are just faceroll, MT is a bit tankier so thats nice but slayer is a bit more mobile

[olive wraith]

How is slayer more mobile?

[soft flicker]

charge granting 70% ms for 3s

[neat gazelle]

i tend to die alot so i think maybe thats why i love thane lmao

[soft flicker]

great for when tank rushes ahead

also while bladestorming you can reposition easier since bs range is a bit longer then autoattacks

[olive wraith]

Clap also has bigger range

[soft flicker]

true but thats only 1.5s of moving while bs gives you 3s

[olive wraith]

If you’re repositioning during bs wouldn’t you be losing damage. Not hitting all the mobs

[soft flicker]

you can dodge small stuff, like arrows on last boss in windrunner for example

it's very minor but thats something i feel is better as slayer over thane

mele attacks and mele spells have 5 yards range while bs has 8 yards, those 3 yards can sometimes allow you to move around stuff while still hitting

[humble lark]

are slayer best for delve boss?

[olive wraith]

Idk man that seems like a stretch to me

But you do you

[soft flicker]

as i said it's very mino

minor

[olive wraith]

Either or

[signal falcon]

Will crush it into the ground with either spec at this point

[humble lark]

yea think i was overthinking it oneshot him

[olive wraith]

[neat gazelle]

MT st in m+ seems a little better lmao

thats a + right/?

[olive wraith]

I mean it did gain a little from tb buff

Pretty sure slayer is still ahead by a small margin though

[gilded thistle]

Just pull more stuff onto the boss thane4head

[olive wraith]

That would benefit slayer more

[dreamy saffron]

The amount of times I’ve thought about switching to arms on that first pull of AA, it’s pretty bad

[olive wraith]

Colo?

[winter shoal]

Arms generally plays slayer in AA innit

[devout grove]

Bros, did the thane buff change anything for fury? Is thane back or we still slaying?

[fallen ginkgo]

Both still viable

[smoky vale]

oui

[dapper goblet]

@slim coral dumb

[marble pilot]

12.0.7 is soonish right? Is it still guessed for the 17th or has it been pushed back

[frank dawn]

some timewalking dates changed recently on the ptr, but there's hasn't been anything official either way afaik

[marble pilot]

Yeah I saw that. But I didnt know if we heard anything more concrete or not yet. I dont really keep up with ptr stuff outside class changes.

[clever escarp]

Can someone explain me why this should make sense? ^^´

head gem and neck gem just change slot

I asked me that a long time now xD

[subtle lagoon]

Doesn't make a difference, robot just likes to put mainstat gem in helmet

[clever escarp]

I see ty

so my current gear is better than the other 2?

[subtle lagoon]

not a huge difference, just min-maxing at that point.

[clever escarp]

I am thats the point xD

cause Im bored and got all that stuff in my bags

[subtle lagoon]

If your gear is like the top one then keep it there, ig

[winter shoal]

The light blue number means the result is within the sim's margin of error

In other words, it isn't necessarily actually better

[clever escarp]

I see that helps

[winter shoal]

That result could be the result of natural variance in the sim

[clever escarp]

check

ty!

[tranquil field]

10 AA, was rolling for puzzle box, I think thane is fine. No monk there either.

[winter shoal]

warlock afk or

[clever escarp]

flexing 10´s? MT 10 Thane seems still Clappy
its a joke btw kekw

[tranquil field]

Probably just didn't know their class. They were 289 too, no idea why so low.

[clever escarp]

feel asleep

[summer quail]

it's just margin mate

[clever escarp]

allr answered ❤️

but ty ^^

[sour jungle]

magister 18 new thane is pumping

[marble pilot]

10s are so random anyway. You can have dps doing 60k-200k. Crazy wide range of players and effort of those players

[clever escarp]

yea of course it was just a clap joke xD

thought clappin is boring for me so I make a joke

[marble pilot]

It can be fun though. I do a couple 10s a week just cause its easy vault on toons that need it.

[clever escarp]

ye 100%

[marble pilot]

Get the affix buff going into cds into a big pull.

[clever escarp]

Clap Clap inc

[marble pilot]

I do sometimes feel bad for the people that need to be in 10s. You know the normal only raiders with no myth gear at all. And you have some 285 tank come in and out dps em

[olive wraith]

Afaik they need some ramp time. Mobs probably die too fast

[frigid sinew]

what do we sim m+ as?

dungeon slice?

[clever escarp]

nope

1 t and 5 t

[frigid sinew]

thakn you!

[clever escarp]

dungeon slice is scuffed

[frigid sinew]

how many mihn?

minutes

[willow knoll]

so thane is better in all situations now ?

[frigid sinew]

ehh we dont press WW at all now?

[clever escarp]

not as thane

as slayer you do cause you dont have thunder clap

[frigid sinew]

oh yea i have been tanking sins end of legion so my fury skills are lacklusting

xD

[olive wraith]

Depends what you value

[ornate gust]

How do we play the new Thane?

[marble pilot]

Dont think things have changed have they?

Just that tblast does a bit more. I think its still tclap on 6 targets. Normal prio otherwise.

[rapid helm]

How do y'all keep track of your on-use trinket cd? Doesn't seem possible to add it to CDM

[marble pilot]

Macro it to Avatar/reck and forget it exists

[rapid helm]

Unfortunately it's puzzle box so I need to plan it more

[languid willow]

@tame juniper was fun g

2min left on timer, runnin thane in Seat

and i couldn't even swap slayer b/c my fucking port was gone last boss

[marble pilot]

Id rather not play than use puzzlebox. I assume you just use it right before major cooldowns. As far as tracking the 2min timer I dont actually know but I think you can just put it on your bars or similar

[rapid helm]

Yeah I might have to make a separate action bar for it

and put it up near cdm

[autumn harbor]

have to ask, are we going slayer or thane now after the buffs to thane in m+?

[marble pilot]

Whatever you prefer. Most everything ive seen is they are close enough now that it doesnt really matter

[languid willow]

I go thane in seat until the last boss then i swap slayer full ST

[tame juniper]

o7

[languid willow]

b/c the council boss as thane

is big dmg

[marble pilot]

I also hear a lot of is your group stacked for aoe then go slayer. Is your group more st focused then go thane. Or just pick the one you like and do that

[languid willow]

like thats the 3 man boss

[marble pilot]

big

[languid willow]

and the 10% dr in the place

you feel so healthy

[marble pilot]

How do you swap quickly in seat?

Its a bit of a run isnt it

[languid willow]

use ur port

swap slayer

walk back in

and it puts you in final boss room

[marble pilot]

Ah ok. I thought you had to run through the whole thing

[languid willow]

nah

[marble pilot]

Still thats a level of minmax that will probably never effect me. Sounds like +20ish type stuff

Im still debating if I care to go to 3400 or not

[languid willow]

oh you can just play whatver you want in that homie

just play whats fun to you

[marble pilot]

Yeah I have the bad habit of assuming most people asking questions are at ~the same level I am. And that the answer is do what you want

14s feel fun to me but not challenging yet. Not sure how high I have to push for it to feel like I have to lock in the whole time. But also Ive never been huge into m+ so I dont know how much I care to push. 3400 is what 16s/17s

[languid willow]

all i know that if you go slayer in those keys and mobs are dying fast

it might be hard

to time BS for pulls

or get SD procs

and you might fall behind

thanei s more consistent

[marble pilot]

Where as thane just hits stuff and it works

[frigid sinew]

how much mastery are you guys sitting at? 280+ ivl?

[stiff maple]

One million billion

[olive wraith]

Dw about it

Just sim as you go

[frank dawn]

My mastery never caps out early or late. It is precisely what is meant to be.

[frigid sinew]

Damn I’m behind

[frigid sinew]

FREKKING gandlaf

[frigid sinew]

Yea need to practice my rotation I bit I think doing 100-120k overall in dungeons feels weak

[marble pilot]

What key levels?

[olive wraith]

Could be

There’s so many variables in keys

[frigid sinew]

15/16s @marble pilot

[marble pilot]

Probably gotta check a log or something then. It could be rotation. But it could also be uptime issues

[frigid sinew]

Yea for the thing is… going from tank that have the mobs glued to you and not have them glued to you is weird

[marble pilot]

Im going to guess its uptime issues based on that. Im only doing ~14s but a bad key for me is 120k. Most are around 150k

[frigid sinew]

Okej okej

[marble pilot]

But there are so many variables in keys. Even more so in pugs. How the tank pulls, group comp. How everyone is playing. How locked in you are for that key.

[frigid sinew]

Gonna blame it on also that I’m 6 years older

[marble pilot]

I dont think ive considered someone to be doing low dps unless they are under 100k overall. Unless its a fotm class that is the underperformer.
And as key level goes higher dps generally does as well. Things live longer and the pulls are generally more precise.
I am not an expert though. Just what I see.

[frigid sinew]

Then last time I dps

[marble pilot]

Did you time the 15/16s? If so then you did enough dps

[frigid sinew]

Yea my seat 16 was 120k overall arc mage 160k demon hunter 130k and Bdk 100k

Yea keys are timed

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/smash-getting-pro-pCO5tKdP22RC8

[olive wraith]

I love MT as thane

[marble pilot]

Then its good enough imo. We all have space to improve. Its just putting in the effort to do it. And as you get better it requires more effort to make the next jump.

[olive wraith]

Jellyfish is the new momma

[marble pilot]

Like increasing my dps by 10% now probably wont take an insane amount of work. But the next 10% would be much harder.

[frigid sinew]

True true

[stiff carbon]

My slayer st increase over thane seems more significant than my thane mt increase over slayer

Unless I'm doing something wrong

[olive wraith]

Wdym

Like sims?

[stiff carbon]

Ya

[delicate lion]

I kinda forgot to craft my gear because I didn't know how lol.

So for our embellishments, is hunt and arcane best? I already have 2 myth weapons and I can craft a piece of jewelry to be my second embellishment. I crafted shoes as 1 as it was still hero

[icy whale]

5 second from 19 resilient

[eager jackal]

Slayer or mt for PvP?

[distant knot]

you guys think slurry is better on average for M+? Im seeing most of the top 1k furys run slayer in almost every dungeon besides maisara

like thane just seems like a nothing burger from the terrible ST it has at this point

[frank dawn]

they were super closer with slayer having a decent edge on single target before this week's buffs, and slayer generally seems to be the spec people prefer. But it will be interesting to see what the data shows as this week goes on

[olive wraith]

I’m having a disagreement in another server

Is Chicago style deep dish considered pizza? Yes or no

[distant knot]

yeah thats what im saying, ive been doing both in 14-15s and thane is great at the packs but just fucking falls incredibly short on some of these ST bosses if you arent pulling a pack for funnel

plus the sudden death procs from slayer just feel great

[frank dawn]

hm, the difference between the two specs should be incredibly minor on single target tbh.

but I agree Slayer feels better and has better feedback in general

[unkempt oasis]

Does thane have funnel? Pretty sure that word is being thrown around a little loosely here. Your dps looks better because you are cleaving.

[ornate ibex]

yes

[willow knoll]

is there a way to pick enraged regen as fury or dont worth it?

[frank dawn]

you drop massacre as thane or cruelty as slayer, and it is usually the correct choice to do that

pretty sure those are still the talents recommended to drop anyway

[olive wraith]

No

[unkempt oasis]

[distant knot]

yes, you inately have better rage gen from the cleave

which just fuels more rampages on the boss

[covert coyote]

difference in my ST sims between MT and Slayer is 111.7K vs 107.7K it's really not that bad

considering the defensive benefit of thane and more consistent dam in large pulls it's kinda cope to say it's due to numbers. just playstyle pref

[unkempt oasis]

How much more...?

[covert coyote]

I'm pretty sure thane doesn't gain any more rage from more targets. TC is a flat 8 rage per cast

[unkempt oasis]

Same

[olive wraith]

What gives you more rage in aoe

[covert coyote]

+3 if a lightning strike procs but I don't think that scales from targets either

[unkempt oasis]

No idea

[covert coyote]

nothing for thane. as slayer you get +1 rage per target hit with WW

[distant knot]

they do, thunder clap has a cap on rage gen yes but the lightening strikes have no enemy cap, its just based on % chance to hit a target, and each lightening strike has a chance to reset bloodthirst which gives more rage and increased damage

[olive wraith]

Still less than rb though

[unkempt oasis]

I dont think it does. I agree bringing mobs on the boss is a good idea, but not because thane has 'funnel'.

[distant knot]

so in a perfect world youre getting strikes on trash and the boss and keeping enraged uptime

[signal falcon]

We’re really splitting hairs to call this funnel for Thane though

[unkempt oasis]

Yes

Being accurate in verbiage is good

[covert coyote]

I read this as you can get 1 strike per ability cast

[unkempt oasis]

And hey, if is a chance to learn something new then great

[olive wraith]

I’m pretty sure you’re correct

Otherwise we would have giga aoe and lightning strikes would be much higher in the breakdown

[distant knot]

ur getting a better chance on average for the strikes considering theres more targets no

[covert coyote]

like with 3 targets we get the meat cleaver bonus dmg attributed to the main target but that's not technically funnel

[olive wraith]

I assume it’s per cast

[distant knot]

fair enough, funnel might not be the best terminology so idk how else to describe it

[unkempt oasis]

I get what you mean

You are not wrong

Adds on boss

Good

[distant knot]

either way, more enemy more damage

[unkempt oasis]

Yes

[distant knot]

unga bunga

[covert coyote]

I don't know 100% cuz I haven't delved into the sims to find out if it's even something that is visible in logs. just the way I understand the language is that it's the same as rampage's flat 20% per use when hitting 3+

flat 25% per cast. either way, we do gain a little bit of ST incidentally with adds brought into bosses as both hero specs

we just get the same increase if it's 2 adds or 20 where true funnel scales per extra target

[jolly wind]

how does mt compare to slayer now

is mt a lot better?

[covert coyote]

MT has higher overalls but they're very close to each other, you can safely play whichever you find more fun

in M+

[frank dawn]

I agree with that completely, they are so close. Just play the one you like.

[distant knot]

I might just be bad at thane single target so my numbers just look bad in ST compared to my slayer

but slayer sudden death gambling procs make the dopamine hit good

whatever you enjoy really

[covert coyote]

I do enjoy slayer a good bit as well. but man when the SD procs don't come out to play it makes me cry

[distant knot]

arms out classes us anyway, just have fun lmfao

[jolly wind]

i like arms and fury

i play both

slayer on both

[unkempt oasis]

Isn't it weird though that arms has less arms?

[distant knot]

this guy gets it

[covert coyote]

when we were slated to get the big thane nerf I picked up arms just in case I had to swap. slarms is fun but colo misses me

but atp any M raid fight I'd play arms on I just do more dam as fury

skill issue

[distant knot]

the slarms damage on the vanguard is insane

everytime I see a vid on it, it boggles my mind

[covert coyote]

I still haven't tried arms on pallies. thane fury going brrr

[frank dawn]

slarms is king over colo now on vanguard?

[covert coyote]

I thought colo was still

[distant knot]

idk the number diff between them personally but some of the slarms videos Ive seen had nutty numbers

[frank dawn]

archon says almost everyone is still playing colo

[olive wraith]

Colo is ridiculous in cleave

[neat gazelle]

Thane feels so good. Just timed a 18 sky and it felt super clean

Top of leader board too 😈

[ornate ibex]

absolutely not

[wispy mural]

I play both and I hate having the two gear sets. embelisments are just annoying

[languid willow]

I mean I play both and the only thing I swap out is a ring neck and weapon

[jade cipher]

i have 1200 haste on fury, is it bad?

[languid willow]

Idk sounds like a lot so probably

[subtle iron]

1320 is dr so probably fine

[olive wraith]

Sim yo self

[sand sand]

do parses count for under mobs on dreamrift heroic? or just abocve

above*

[serene socket]

Ive never had colo do more overall damage in a pug (tbf im not great at colo). But I still think its a bit dependent on the team actually playing to colo's strengths on purpose (and having a shaman)

[bitter palm]

idk personally i always do more overall

[serene socket]

err, sorry, thats compared to fury thane, not slayer arms

[bitter palm]

makes sense but idk i tried fury in a 20 aa a couple weeks ago

[smoky vale]

washed

[bitter palm]

and big lasher just couldnt die

then we did it again i was slarms

and it died fast

[smoky vale]

thats why your evoker left

[bitter palm]

truth nuke

not cause of the bobcomp

or cause there are better people playing 👍

[smoky vale]

china brew random mw mage aug war

[serene socket]

ah, right my opinion is null because i only run like 14s. No one's out here pugging a 20 that isnt with a fairly optimized team comp

[bitter palm]

chalk it

[smoky vale]

abomination

[bitter palm]

slightly better than what we played

brew mw spriest aug arms

[smoky vale]

both cloth squishy

[olive wraith]

Tbf the comment you replied to was talking about raid

[bitter palm]

shit funny asf

me on war

taking 0 dmg

colo moment

[smoky vale]

i think on monday

[bitter palm]

whats on monday

[smoky vale]

i died to the knockback in aa by 3k

overkill

🙂

[bitter palm]

idk bro critcake

not dying to it

at 22

as slayer

[smoky vale]

im like 99% vigor fell off

i didnt check the log though

bc i didnt die the attempt before

but i think i need vers

[bitter palm]

he goes from 541k to 138k

rsham thingy

but still

wouldnt kill him

[smoky vale]

i think i usually live like 10%

but idk i just died

by 3k

itd slso help if i had myth gloves

[bitter palm]

idk ur char just takes randomly more dmg

chalk it

[smoky vale]

ill find the log

[bitter palm]

also

how the fuck did critcake do 250k

overal

as slayer

[smoky vale]

[bitter palm]

illegal number

no motw either

maybe thats why idk

no feral

eating aoe

[smoky vale]

ive yet to ever get fast bs cdr on first pull

every time i do that key

its a dk instantly exploding the lashers

[bitter palm]

me when i dont contribute to the pull!

[serene socket]

oh, im just extra stupid today

[bitter palm]

look guys im doing 2 mil dps (200k of useful dmg)

[smoky vale]

cluegi

[olive wraith]

Fury is good if everything just dies quick *forehead tap

[thorny epoch]

Me warrior not bash enough good. I attack with swish and swoosh and to bam bam until dead but think me could do better. Maybe more swoosh?

[burnt kelp]

dk is still very useful on that pull since they are summoning like 50 skeleton mages with all the cdr from dnd

[languid willow]

Is dk arms Aug troll ?

I feel like it would work well

[thorny epoch]

Ive ran it as fury instead of arms and timed 18s pretty easy but I dont feel like its the best of options.

[languid willow]

Ope wrong chat ig

Yea frinebds want me to swap ddh and id rather cut my balls off

[vale solar]

Also starts with 3 stacks of ID

[slim coral]

Finally 21 resil

[thorny epoch]

Meet in the middle go havoc and remove only 1 testicle you can both lose.

[languid willow]

Grz Baze!

Might just go enhance

[olive wraith]

Isn’t enh kinda bad rn

[languid willow]

Nah it’s actually very good

[thorny epoch]

Its super fun...

I wouldnt say very good.... but its certainly playable well beyond its representation would suggest.

[olive wraith]

I mean all warrior dps is playable

[neat gazelle]

Nice! What spec?

[olive wraith]

Yet we get doomers thinking we are bottom

[slim coral]

thakns bud i saw you climbing

[slim coral]

fury

slayer/thane

[languid willow]

Yea I just need AA and then I have a 22 MT calling my name tomorrow

[neat gazelle]

Nice baze that’s awesome man. Which spec of those 2 feel better to you in those 20+?

[vale solar]

This

[languid willow]

What did you play in your seat baze?

[slim coral]

slayer felt better pre thane buff

I think you just play thane now always personally

[slim coral]

slayer

it was not resil

we 1 tapped it

[neat gazelle]

Thanks baze!

[languid willow]

Really? I played slayer in SR and it felt great

[slim coral]

idk thane kinda of blast

I don't see the need to go slayer

[languid willow]

I swap full ST talents last boss of seat

Feels nice

Other than that tho I can see that

Was gonna play slayer for aa

But now you got me wanting to go thane

[thorny epoch]

I miss beams and blame others on last boss of seat.... this might be why im only doing 19s

[olive wraith]

[lapis rose]

guys which diff now between slayer and thane ?

[thorny epoch]

As a person who does not main warrior.... I find thane easier to play at a mediocre level.... so im actually glad its doing better.

[pallid brook]

is thane doin better rn?

[vale solar]

I think slayer sims higher. Idk

[thorny epoch]

I easily do better with it.... doesnt necessarily make it an objective fact that its better though....

[pallid brook]

they both feel about the same to me tbh

[neat gazelle]

I don’t think slayer sims higher

It don’t do higher I’ll say that lol

[pallid brook]

if theres a difference i dont think itd be that far apart

[slim coral]

it might be feelycraft but based off the 22 and 21 I did I think thane is just better now

[vale solar]

Depends on who’s playing it to be fair

[neat gazelle]

True

[vale solar]

My sims it’s higher. Me playing it I crank thane. It’s WAY more forgiving

Every minute 30 you blast

[olive wraith]

Slayer sims higher in aoe for you?

[slim coral]

before reset you'd play slayer for more st but with the thane buffs I think thane is just better cause it does more aoe and pretty close to ST

[olive wraith]

Minute 30??

[pallid brook]

yye was slayer for a while

[thorny epoch]

As a person who really is only mediocre at the spec I think thane is much more forgiving as in still doing most of its damage with the occasional misplaced gcd.

[pallid brook]

might as well give thane a go again

[modest condor]

slayer still plays AM

[vale solar]

Base cd is what I meant

[olive wraith]

I don’t think either spec is “more forgiving”

Why would you go off base cd though lol

[vale solar]

I mean, outside of ID bs does half the dmg no?

lol

[thorny epoch]

I only run keys as a warrior to be fair.... I made it to play with my wife's feral

[olive wraith]

We talking thane?

[vale solar]

Slayer.

[olive wraith]

Avatar lasts like 30-40 seconds

[modest condor]

yeah but ID stacks up passively and you dont take it into account for pressing bs

[olive wraith]

Slayer is still relatively flat profile

[vale solar]

True

[undone flower]

I achieved a 38 sec avatar it was great

[modest condor]

just get lucky on thunderblast procs and you can keep avatar up until it's off cooldown!

[thorny epoch]

I havent timed my avatar windows but I feel confident mine lasts at least 20 seconds....

[pallid brook]

should i get a gem for my wasit or try lady luck for a ring with a voidcore

[undone flower]

It fades off, avatar comes off cd right away

[modest condor]

20 seconds is the base duration so you would be correct

[pallid brook]

i do like to gamble

[vale solar]

lol

[olive wraith]

24 is kinda the new base duration

[modest condor]

true

[olive wraith]

Unless you grief tb

[modest condor]

press avatar and just never use thunderblast

[olive wraith]

Cancel aura

[thorny epoch]

I thought i was the only one that cancel aura for thunderblast because thunderclap has a better sound affect. But others do it too?

[undone flower]

It was more about burst of power procs smh

[ornate gust]

is this a proper damage breakdown for M+ thane build?

[undone flower]

#fury message
it was 36 sec

[olive wraith]

Looks okay I guess

[last heart]

https://i.imgur.com/trld2lu.png Just did this on Maisara 20, don't know if i'm doing well

[ornate gust]

I asked Noxiv to show his breakdown.

[olive wraith]

It’s gonna vary per key

And depend on the pulls

I didn’t realize noxiv swapped back to thane

[modest condor]

what a buff does to a mf

[dawn dawn]

dude have i been underthunderclapping?

[livid marsh]

would make sense with bigger pulls i guess

[pallid brook]

kinda enjoy slayer more than thane still after tryin it

[lapis rose]

noxiv saying 3+ tartets spam clap and thunder blast

fuck slayer sound so smooth compare thane

[thorny epoch]

If you ain't clapping you ain't living. Ive always lived by that its just now im not entirely wrong

As a broken clock its nice when I end up right now and then.

[ornate gust]

he keeps asking for funnels 😄

[modest condor]

nah that screenshot is from an early deplete so clap/blast are overrepresented

i think it's like first part and half of the first boss of caverns or something

[storm rune]

Perfection.

[lapis rose]

always and forever

[hot shell]

Delete 1 mastery pls. Its sickening

[storm rune]

It may be an odd number, but it's also a palindrome

[languid willow]

He needs it for his reckless pot 😂

[storm rune]

Planned it all along

[tepid solar]

Socket over bonus roll? Ilvl 289

[sullen dove]

if you need a socket and dont plan to bonus roll anything of similar upgrade value as the like 500ish dps a socket is

can use some thought

on if u need to roll sum good

[tepid solar]

Only thing non myth is rings, I got the platinum star band, but it's only swimming 0.1% higher

Might use the bonus rolls for the Nexus point one

[spare steppe]

id socket if you arent replacing

[hushed gust]

so- serious question. how many classes truly just eat our lunch in keys? for like- a week, it seemed like fury and arms were starting to look seen, but then right after, it's just "nah, we want a paladin instead." "nah, there's a windwalker in the same queue."

[hidden storm]

I see on https://www.method.gg/guides/fury-warrior/talents where they are not taking Storm Bolt on the class tree but are taking Storm Bolts on the Hero Tree. When I try taking Storm Bolts on Hero Tree I get an error saying it requires Storm Bolt Talent. What am I missing?

[high lagoon]

is fury performing better than slayer arms

or

[compact knot]

thats intended

in raid you dont use storm bolt so you dont need it talented

but storm bolts is on a choice node with a equally as worthless talent

but in m+ you should take storm bolts and storm bolt

always

[hidden storm]

Okay, still feels a little odd looking at the trees they post when the Hero talent shown can't be used.

[compact knot]

i mean

[hidden storm]

Okay, thanks. I have them on my M+ set-up.

[compact knot]

its on a choice node and both those nodes are useless in raid

[hidden storm]

Got it.

Storm Shield reads pretty niche so I see what you mean about the other choice as well.

[compact knot]

does anyone know how to test the tbc sharpening stone

i wanna check some things

[winter shoal]

It was simmed the other day, it's very slightly worse than midnight oils

[compact knot]

ik it was simmed the other day

but did you do mainhand only with the tbc stone

then the offhand with oil

cause the reference picture im looking at does not have that

because survival is like that and it is their best

idk who does fury sim shit

[woven valley]

BIRD DEAD

big excite

[red berry]

what sauce does the tbc sharpening stones have

[compact knot]

they add +3 weapon damage

aka these 2 numbers afaik

which buffs your ability damage

[red berry]

huh

goofy

[winter shoal]

temporary_enchant=main_hand:adamantite_sharpening_stone is what archi said so I assume so but you can check it yourself in advanced

I'm raiding so can't check myself

[compact knot]

i see

k i check

[wintry hatch]

thane every run?

[olive wraith]

Still preference

[willow knoll]

Is it worth crafting a neck to get a neck with a 285 mastery haste?

?

[quasi fractal]

If you need those yeah, id probably sim your options if nothing better

The m+ options are pretty meh

[willow knoll]

standart neck or other?]

thiso ne?

[quasi fractal]

I went standard because i already have two embellishments

[willow knoll]

same here

i will sim standard

5targets 1 min?

wich way we sims as fury

main arms here sorry

[winter shoal]

1t 5m and 5t 5m is what I do

then use brain to compare

[willow knoll]

sorry no brain only zug zug

[distant knot]

im 14er chud but I feel accomplished

[neat gazelle]

welp you heard the man

[distant knot]

damn not my slayer goat

[willow knoll]

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

ITS ME

HAHAHAHA

[neat gazelle]

lmao

[willow knoll]

hahahaha

[winter shoal]

A difference of a couple % between specs is not going to be the reason you do or don't time your keys

Missing kicks, bad positioning, and goofing mechanics will

[olive wraith]

A very few number of us are pushing keys at his level

If you take that as you need to run thane then do that I guess

[hushed gust]

for a lower perspective, Slayer has still been rocking 17's this week. anecdotal, since i'm only using my own perspective, but i am putting in work.

[olive wraith]

Like yesterday and today?

[hushed gust]

both

[neat gazelle]

he said it not me!

[hushed gust]

(i say this in full jest. Nox is definitely better in terms of fury authority) dude's a fury main, though. you really gonna listen to him?

[sand sand]

does any1 know if under phase in dreamrift heroic counts towards parses?

[neat gazelle]

yes

i am

lol

[red berry]

both are fine for what people wanna do

[summer quail]

if nox says slayer is better i take it with a grain of salt. if he says thane is better i 100% believe it

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/zuh-cat-side-eye-stare-cat-staring-ca-gif-7404392670733848800

[hushed gust]

long story short, Slayer's definitely still viable. play the one you want atm.

[modest condor]

oh no slayer was doing 23s 2 days ago but now thane is 2% better i guess slayer cant do keys anymore rip

[neat gazelle]

i dont think anyone said slayer cant do keys or isnt good lol

his message said thane is now better

thats all

[mossy stag]

is fury bugged i feel like im doing zero dmg

[winter shoal]

Nope just you

[hushed gust]

maybe run some sims? compare to similar ilvl. assume a margin of error if you're looking at in-game logs.

[compact knot]

this did not work

erm

i can mess around with it a bit more

[mossy stag]

im literally pressing reck and odyns on cd and pressing rampage at 100 rage

weird

just gotta keep practicing 😄

[distant knot]

Dead spec bro what can I say

Useless

[fringe citrus]

wtb cheats to make more than 350k dps first pull

[jolly wind]

It’s a 30-20 split in favor of slayer on murlok so I’d say slayer still very good

[spare flame]

dude this first pack in windrunner is so fucked

[stoic star]

Are we playing Slayer now in high keys?

like 18-20

Murlok.io shows top fury warrior in slayer talents

[lilac plinth]

Ramp +tc and u 400k

[hushed gust]

the idea was that it had better boss damage and comparable trash damage, but- with this week's update, the "comparable trash damage" part might not be accurate anymore? in my 5 target sim, though, it was only 2% difference.

Long story short, in keys, both are very viable. play what you want. neither spec is trolling atm.

[spare flame]

im playing thane simply cause it's tankier ngl

[olive wraith]

For me it’s more of nox is playing thane then I think slayer might not be worth

Unless he’s starting to branch out

[summer quail]

exactly, that guy is a giga slayer fan. so if he plays thane then you know

[hushed gust]

side note, i'm fine with damage on SD being pulled back a tad for this idea, but i do wish we had slightly more consistent procs.

[olive wraith]

Idk. I’d be down exe buff if we kept current proc rate

Just to beef our exe phase

[hushed gust]

sure! i'm more talking about Slayer's feel with it's CDR on BS. sometimes, you just get unlucky and BS is now off-set for a period.

that and i just like Reap the Storm. feels good to proc for me.

[peak plaza]

is this exe with SD or is this just general exe prio on thane in st

[summer quail]

sd has no impact on thane. as in you don't get any specific benefit from sd vs regular exe

[jolly marten]

Good morning people

Thane or slayer after the recent buffs?

I’ve tried thane yesterday and seemed a bit stronger in the overall, it loses some ground in st tho

[hushed gust]

a conversation that has had the same conclusion all night. Thane is minimally better, but they're close enough to play what you want and not be trolling.

personally, i do agree Slayer's prio damage can make certain encounters a bit easier. also Bladestorm go wheee

[lethal quiver]

any log wizard can help me check what i'm doing wrong on fury?
I'm a main tank
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YXrxp43gK7CwZ1Tf?fight=25&type=damage-done

[distant spindle]

you missed some bloodbath/thirst there

me personally i like to have more mastery then haste its around 1k for both and works perfect

and idk where you saw that embelishments but they are 100% wrong on both crafted parts

[frigid geyser]

guys, i just bought an extra voidcore with vault tokens, but i still have 1 (same amount i had) D:, its weird because vendor menu show that i have 2, but my char currency shows 1

[hushed gust]

no bugs.

there are absolutely no bugs in this small indie company's game.

[frigid geyser]

🙁

[hushed gust]

but nah, does it say 1 or 2 in your resource tab?

[frigid geyser]

currency says 1

[hushed gust]

and just running through the generic "IT Crew" suggestions. you've relogged and fully rebooted the game?

[frigid geyser]

i did, also did an m+ says 1 too

[hushed gust]

of course, i assume you didn't use a reroll in that key, yeah?

[frigid geyser]

i didnt

wanted both for vorasius

[hushed gust]

hm-

that might be something to put a ticket up about, but I'd honestly just wait and see if the reroll pops up in raid.

could just be a visual bug.

like- PUG the first boss on a difficulty your guild's not pushing if that's relevant, and see if it pops up.

[frigid geyser]

will try

[spare flame]

you had 1 and bought 1 or did you have 2 and bought 1?

[frigid geyser]

i had 1 and bought 1

[spare flame]

could be a visual bug, try to kill any raid boss in like heroic or something and see if the bonus roll window pops up

[summer quail]

inventory full? if so check mail

[frigid geyser]

nope

[frigid geyser]

ill try this

[covert coyote]

I think the 2 here is showing how many void cores you've bought with vault tokens. or something like that. mine shows 7 there from the vendor but I have 0

currency tab is how many you actually have

[compact knot]

ok time to level a 2nd warrior and play fury

[old perch]

Hey folks I'm using the wowhead Thane m+ build, is there any flex points for being able to take enraged regen. Not having a defensive is messing with my head
Or are you meant to flick Def stance over when say for eg a aoe is about to hit

[radiant plank]

real

[compact knot]

need rank 1 arms and rank 1 fury

loading

[radiant plank]

loading

[burnt oxide]

You swap massacre for it

[summer quail]

mental illness(i'm the same)

why couldn't my brain like something like dk instead

[compact knot]

idk if i even like fury

might just play it out of spite

[summer quail]

fury is fun overall i think. just the apex needs to change

[compact knot]

yeah the apex

ruins the spec

whoever though rampage rage reduction was a good idea

was dumb

you should almost never push that button twice in a row

nevermind

you should NEVER push that button twice in a row

[summer quail]

rather play fury than be at the mercy of rng. sometimes during exe i'm so starved as arms

very noticeable on egg but maybe i was just unlucky who knows

[compact knot]

i also prefer slam on arms then the 2 shit filler spells fury has

slam atleast procs 3 different things

whirlwind and raging blow do noting

[summer quail]

like why doesn't fury apex increase rampage cost. makes so much sense to have it cost more when you generate more

i wanna press other buttons too

[compact knot]

yeah i mean i hate rage capping

but it really should

[radiant plank]

you should NEVER push that button

[compact knot]

then it just does more damage

you are right

colossus makes arms cringe in raid though for parsing

thane atleast is not as dumb

like you can still get good parses in a good raid as fury on chim and dragons

you just cant as arms

[summer quail]

thane best designed hero tree. can't change my mind, smol amount of rng compared to the others

also

[compact knot]

design sure

not a big fan of it too much

noxiv effect

[summer quail]

i like it more for the most part. i think they should remove the cdr part from avatar tho, just juice the damage. i don't wanna clap all the time but want big tblasts. tho i think i'm in the minority of that opinion

[compact knot]

i really dislike fury cds

colossus smash is genuinely so much stronger then fury cds

[peak plaza]

odyns fury feels so good to press tho in aoe

lots of numbers on screen

[compact knot]

its aight...

noting compared to what it use to be

[summer quail]

idk about that. only cd that feels really good is thane avatar, actual damage increase

[compact knot]

^

reck actively makes the spec feel worse lmfao

but that is more fault of the apex then recklessness

[summer quail]

yuh if they just increased arms rage gen i would be arms otp

bad streaks as arms feels so goddamn bad

[compact knot]

OP needs to be a rage generator !!!!

and its fixed

the spec needs a way to generate outside of auto attacks

so its more deterministic

[peak plaza]

so 2004ish lol

[compact knot]

mop is pretty much it

[summer quail]

aye arms feels like an old spec in modern wow

[compact knot]

mop was peak arms gameplay

except your buttons hit for noting

but the gameplay is great

[summer quail]

but so did the dks. and they both got updated within 2 seasons so there's hope

[compact knot]

arms also has a quite annoying issue

its the only dps spec in that game that can push all their cds on pull and do under 100k dps during lust

[brisk dock]

i noticed that last raid

so cursed

[compact knot]

your first set of cds

[fringe citrus]

so thane is bb + tb as it was right?

[compact knot]

are EXTREMELY weak

but then afterwards it is much stronger

[radiant plank]

Crazy when you lock a damage gain behind random stacks that you dont get on pull

[compact knot]

crazy that its 3 different things as well

LMAO!!!!

[summer quail]

not only that but arms is also very crit rng dependant. like ms crit rng

hilarious

[compact knot]

the rng isnt really in ms anymore

we got a reskinned juggernaut in executioner stacks

that is the big one now

[summer quail]

imagine if we had tunneler, the proposed talent where if you changed target you were just fkd

[compact knot]

if you have 3 stacks of executioner throughout your entire execute you do so much more damage

@radiant plank also another thing they did in mop because arms had rage issues

charge has no minimum range

!!!!!!

so you can charge in melee for free rage

[radiant plank]

yerp

[summer quail]

imagine having to compare modern design to a1 12-14 year old expansion

jesus christ

[compact knot]

and the older expansion is better

wow!

[radiant plank]

tweet

[compact knot]

ok so i just xferred a character

and it just got deleted

what do

[radiant plank]

18s buff that lasts under 5s at 3 stacks :)

[compact knot]

ok its back

[summer quail]

well atleast our execute phase isn't weaker than our normal phase right?!!?! @bitter palm

[compact knot]

pinged the 2nd

[compact knot]

are you sure this is right

pretty certain this isnt right

[radiant plank]

Yeah its right

went word for word from Archi

even screenshot from him too

[bitter palm]

i did