fury

[timid tide]

Crusader strike is their highest, so prob yes, considering they did 174 and I did 89 rampages

[undone flower]

Yes those are melees I just checked

If you want a more fair comparison you need the remove them or add your melees 👍

[grand vale]

Not too bad if you have ignore pain on mousewheel or some other key that's not putting stress on you

same goes for prot pala, shield of the righteous is your 'issue' so to speak

[hybrid cargo]

All yall ready for the clappening?

[languid willow]

pumped to maybe do more dmg than the bear tank on AA first pull

[humble lark]

how close will thane be to slayer after the buffs to it?

[drifting token]

Do you mean in st? because it was already ahead in aoe and now even moreso.

[reef vapor]

thane should be 4k behind slayer in ST after buffs according to the numbers in #updates-midnight

[languid willow]

lol that is like player error that is insane actually

[fickle vector]

Question about opening vault with a specific loot spec, if I am hunting Gaze / heart of hunger to be in one of my middle 272 vault slots, should I open it as protection? Is the loot pool smaller there that could increase the chance of that trinket dropping?

[humble lark]

was mostly asking becuse i see most playing slayer in keys atm but i pref thane. but i dont wanna be to behind not playing it. if its alot better that is

[sour jungle]

I have been playing thane the whole season and now I’ve switched to slayer and the only thing I’m missing is the first pull dmg but otherwise slayer seems to be better for me in any other situation specialy now where I can do 90k dps st while on thane I was 75-80 but there are still some keys like seat where thane overall seems just better besides the final boss

[covert zephyr]

Slayer or thane for m+? What is best

[lusty perch]

yes

Very comparable. Prefer Big Aoe pulls: Thane. Prefer Boss Damage: Slayer. Just depends. So close play whichever you prefer more honestly.

[heavy galleon]

Slayer buff waiting room

[woven valley]

No protection will not make it easier to get anything you want in vault

It’ll just give you three shields 🛡️

[supple glen]

are we aoe goats now?

[humble carbon]

I've geared for Arms, how terrible is gear with no mastery for fury? 📝 🐛

Like there is some mastery but you know

[peak plaza]

not relevant even in crit haste gear u sim well

[humble carbon]

Awesome

[peak plaza]

not relevant is maybe exaggeration

but u can very well play with arms gear

[solemn trench]

Will he return as Thane's main spec?! With that 30%

[supple glen]

i wanted to sim arms in fury bis and vice versa for a while now but the sim doesnt seem to have bis presets so i was too lazy

[tropic oracle]

Last night I was running a key and I invited a 3 stack that had a ilvl 260 fury warrior. my ilvl is 283. There were a couple times where they outdpsed me. I’m usually top of meters in most of my groups unless I’m going against a DK or someone is just really good at their class. I’ve always mained a hunter, this is my first time trying a warrior.
I have no idea what I’m doing wrong. I feel like I should be doing so much more damage than I am. For context this is my current build https://raider.io/characters/us/bloodscalp/Aahzbear?season=season-mn-1. Do I need gaze of alnseer and the nexus point rings?
I am constantly spamming rampage, thunder clap at 2 stacks, execute only when it’s highlighted and bloodthirst when it’s highlighted. I open with avatar/recklessness and my puzzle box with odyns fury. I’m always food buffed and I use mastery pot. I try to always stay as close to my target as possible, always using All of my improved whirlwind stacks before thunder clapping again.
Any input is appreciated. I’ve been so confused and ready to reroll.

[supple glen]

rampage isnt that good of a button, dont spam it constantly

[charred flint]

Huh?

[supple glen]

you heard me

[charred flint]

Thats like

Wrong

[charred flint]

Are you following priority list? As thane on big packs you should thunderclap / tb every other cast

[supple glen]

do you have any logs

[charred flint]

So its like of reck ava tb, rampage tb rampage tb bb tb rampage tb

[sour jungle]

there are like 7 items with versa

[charred flint]

From what you said

Youre just not pressing tb enough

As thane on aoe you dont care about spending your ww charges before pressing tb again

[supple glen]

so how is is wrong to tell people not to spam rampage when they say they do lmao

[charred flint]

Because you press almost as many rampages as you do thunderblasts lol

[supple glen]

well half the time ppl fuck themselves over bc they press rampage when it glows

[charred flint]

Saying it isnt that big of a deal gives the impression where you dont care about overcapping rage

And you very much do

[supple glen]

no thats exactly what i mean kind of, its mainly to not overcap

kinda bootycheecks button otherwise

[rigid chasm]

not in cooldowns

[charred flint]

Our core gameplay is build rage spend rage saying its not that good is wrong

[supple glen]

its not that good when there are several higher value buttons once you are enraged and are not about to cap

[charred flint]

Its our highest priority button on single target

if you're handing out advice without specifying it yeah its a shit advice

And, on AoE, its still or second best button

[supple glen]

he didnt give any insight to his rotation, stated hes spamming rampage which is a common mistake.

you can argue about semantics, idc, its not the most important buttons like it is for other classes

you also cant fuck up fury that much except for spamming ramp

[charred flint]

Its literally our highest damage in any log you'll look but sure

[supple glen]

ok sure

[honest trail]

Are Thane buffs on Mimiron yet?

[modest condor]

i wouldnt count on it because mimiron is for ptr sims and this is not a ptr build

[honest trail]

Okay

Gotta wait for tomorrow then

Been comparing sims for M+

Slayer's 4% ST gain for 10% AOE loss

But with Thane buffs

ST might just be that close

[gilded thistle]

Nice change gonna finish up my warrior which is alt#6 and get it going for friend keys

[icy whale]

the amount of trash dks and locks in the m+ queue is absurd

[honest trail]

I only see Aug DH DK's in 20's xD

Kinda insane

& only warriors taking spots are Arms

Fuck, those guys 😢

lmao

[fickle vector]

[edgy hearth]

Guys, i've started playing fury in this expansion, and im kinda new to retail (played mostly some wotlk etc). But looking into wowhead and wowlogs, i see that wowhead suggest that haste > mastery, while looking at others in wowlogs confirms its mastery > haste. Why those 2 stats are bis (i know the basic meaning of them, but i dont know more complex reasons behind those priorities)

[honest trail]

Do you need to understand why?

[edgy hearth]

to understand the spec i play better

[honest trail]

Simply put tho: mastery is raw dmg, haste is more rage gen/more gcd during enrage timer (3s), so 100% enrage uptime

Rampage enrages you for 3s & you have those 3s to build enough rage to press it again

So you need fast rage building

& then mastery is just flat dmg increase

[edgy hearth]

so if im feeling good with my enrage uptime, i should then swap into going more mastery, right?

[honest trail]

Or you just sim you character

Do you know about sims?

[winter shoal]

You should sim your character to determine what the best stat allocation is based on the gear you have available to you

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/how-to-use-raidbots-and-run-character-simulations-6050

[edgy hearth]

yup, i know i can sim but i wanted overall clue

[honest trail]

Well the basic idea is what I said

For the numbers, just sim

[signal falcon]

It’s a really hard question to answer based on vibes, and really easy to answer with sims

[edgy hearth]

ok ok gotit

thank you guys 🙂

[undone flower]

Overall clue is sims, and it seems it likes haste mastery and at some point robot god wants crit

[lofty ferry]

I had good results pushing mastery slightly above haste as I got close to the iLvL cap. Lets you use reck potion for best results. Light's Potential outperformed Reck potion when Haste > Mastery.

Based on that silly fact it does seem like Mastery might have a slight priority over Haste, but ultimately as others said, the sim knows all.

[smoky nacelle]

we up

check vaults

[spare flame]

time to get shite loot and grab 6 coins

[smoky nacelle]

same

or socket

[grand vale]

Is there a particular reason archim recommends crit gems in his iv fury guide?

[supple glen]

they sim better

[grand vale]

than mastery/haste gems?

that's weird

in bis gear sure, but at the beginning?

[supple glen]

scroll up a bit to learn about shifting stat values

[grand vale]

i know how those work, i just found it strange that the recommendations for gems are only for later stages

Where crit value increases

certainly not when starting to gear

[olive wraith]

I haven’t looked at IV

But is that not the Bis one?

[grand vale]

let me check again

[olive wraith]

Consumables on wowhead is the haste mastery gem

[peak plaza]

sim urself

[grand vale]

It looks like a leftover from an older stage of the game

[peak plaza]

crit haste or haste mastery?

whats the problem

[grand vale]

crit haste

[peak plaza]

flawless masterful -> haste mastery no?

[supple glen]

even tells you why crit might be good

[grand vale]

are not generally the best stats for fury warriors

[peak plaza]

robot god likes crit so yes its a good stat for fury

[grand vale]

guys you all go for a minimum of haste first, then at some early point mastery gets stronger than haste, and then crit becomes more valuable than the other two with high enough mastery/haste, i get

that

i just found it confusing that a guide aimed at new fury warriors states that

[supple glen]

hes just covering some basics for better understanding

dont overthink it

[peak plaza]

Bro it clearly states "or"

That means both is good

Which is factually correct

[grand vale]

yeah all good

I know how to take that recommendation, i just wasn't sure others do too with the crit and haste being the best stats sentence

will the sim recommend gems to you?

[peak plaza]

For beginners a "wrong" socket is such a minimal loss that it doesnt matter

[peak plaza]

Yes u can sim all gems

[turbid spruce]

I guess thane will be better than slayer now?

[peak plaza]

And enchants

[grand vale]

both sides will tell you they're better

raw dps thane was already ahead

but dungeon design favors slayer

so choose what you like

st slayer is stronger, mt thane is stronger

the patch will just change that a little into thane being more strong in mt but you don't use tb that often in st, so slayer will still be stronger in st

[drifting token]

Likely by an unnoticeable amount to where you're still gonna do thane for all content again anyway

[grand vale]

Maybe, the arms bros will keep telling you how badass arms is in keys because they just rock

but from what i heard arms only works properly with the right comp and pulling

[drifting token]

idk what arms has to do with anything here

[turbid spruce]

Arms is bad for pugging, and you'll need a shaman.

Its just easier to play fury

[grand vale]

Well even in prot channel arms players will say how superior arms is

[keen kindle]

Ya know what you genuinely aren't wrong

[grand vale]

arms is like the veganism of warriors

or crossfit

[keen kindle]

Look I like arms

I play it a lot

But god damn playing without a shaman sucks balls

And yes, I'd rather just play fury even if my gear is kinda mid for it

[grand vale]

It's funny because that was the case more than once already

[gilded thistle]

It’s why I’m swapping off ret in my friend keys no blue man and going fury

[grand vale]

blue man gud this season

lust, wf, what's not to love

[gilded thistle]

We already have a Bear, MW, and rogue so at this point it’s a no brainer to find a battle shout

[grand vale]

get a blue friend asap

[gilded thistle]

You aren’t wrong at all frfr

Purge is kinda sleeper too

[wise willow]

Hi noob on fury spec are we switching to Mountain Thane this week after the tuning? For M+ content

[drifting token]

already should have been on thane before. But yes more now

[heavy yacht]

was never not thane

[reef prairie]

Can you play thane for all content? Mainly m+ for practice and heroic raid for prog. My smooth brain prefers one spec

[keen kindle]

for M+ always

For heroic raid you're 100% better off on slayer for anything that isn't paladin

But honestly it's heroic

if you don't care about parses u can ig

[reef prairie]

I don't care about parses. I just want to use m+ to practice so I'm not last on the dps meter for my guild raid runs lol

So maybe I should practice slayer then? Instead of thane

I think I'll go thane. Lighting looks cool. Thanks!

[hidden tinsel]

At what time does raidbots update? I'm still getting the same results from last week, as if the buffs are not live

[light osprey]

So is MT ahead of slayer now?

[turbid spruce]

you will absolutely do more damage with thane in dragons

[supple glen]

slayer is very easy to pick up if you already play warrior/ thane dw

[keen kindle]

Two bosses

Out of 9

That also assumes ads arent blown up in 5 seconds (only mythic is 2 targ)

[undone flower]

You can play either of the two on every bosses

[supple glen]

slayer is just free damage for less work than thane i feel like

if you just care about delivering in guild raid

but i totally get not wanting to play bladestorm

[turbid spruce]

you can get good results with both hero talents in every single boss

[vague copper]

Do we sit on BS for

?

[modest condor]

no

[vague copper]

I mean do we send on 0 or do we work to get some stacks

oki

[high mango]

In the paladins fight, is MT better than slayer?

[turbid spruce]

yes

cleave 2-3 target will be better with thunder blast

[bitter palm]

cleave is just better

but its a wack comparison

disregard

what i said

i thought u were talking about arms vs fury

[reef prairie]

Yeah I just want to do big raid dam and have fun with my friends. So if practicing slayer in m+ helps with my muscle memory for raid nights then that's what I would like to do

[high mango]

ty

[turbid spruce]

im talking about thane fury vs slayer fury

[dry yarrow]

yo is there any sim for thane vs slayer ?

with the new patch

[drifting token]

No direct comparisons yet but #updates-midnight show the increases for thane.

[gilded dune]

after a +18 key, slayer still feels much better in ST

but in AOE i feela decent diff

[dry yarrow]

for M+ i believe thane will be surely better now but what bout raids ?

except dragons & paladins we stay slayer ig ? idk

[drifting token]

If thane is within a percent or two on ST and vastly ahead double digits in multitarget I see no reason for slayer anymore outside of pure preference.

[turbid spruce]

theres so many padding in this raid, you can probably get bigger numbers with thane

[dusty parrot]

You should play the spec you play best on. The difference is quite small

Playing a specc worse because it's "meta" won't do you any good.

[peak plaza]

thane padding is good if they live long

slayer u blow ur load and ur dmg is out

which on the first 3 bosses on reclear is what ur aiming for

[gilded dune]

yeah i feel like for pugs im still having better luck with slayer, even in keys

[fiery edge]

damn borrow power is back

[lethal quiver]

what do you guys think.... use 2 rings with haste/mastery (ommission of light and bifurcation band)
or use the omission of light/omission of void combo set?

[zinc python]

did buffs go through?

[peak plaza]

sim it

[burnt oxide]

Always sim, but for st and mt situations
The set might be better in st but fall of with targets

[dull pasture]

Will colossus be the go too after the changes? srry wrong chat

[olive wraith]

It’ll be better than it is now

[proud surge]

Any thane fury sims yet

[icy whale]

steadfast as the peaks or keep your feet on the ground on 20 keys in thane?

2% physical dr and 8% dr for 5s from tb vs 5% stamina, 10% hp for 5s and 2nd impending victory proc after 5s

[winter shoal]

#updates-midnight message

[zinc python]

Whats the play for mythic Beloran as fury now? Thane or slayer?

[olive wraith]

Passive dr probably

[icy whale]

usually i have 40-50% uptime on the dr

and use like 30 impending victory

[icy whale]

90% play slayer

[wicked wind]

Hi for Mythic dungeon which specialty is better Slayer or Thane?

[neat gazelle]

1000%

[winter shoal]

I played thane and gobbled up the adds so the rest of my raid could play pure single target for egg dam, but really the fight is a pure mechanics check so it doesn't matter much

[winter shoal]

Whichever you prefer, they're extremely close to each other

[icy whale]

depends if you prefer single target or aoe, slayer is a little preferred in the highest keys rn

but total damage wise its similar

with thane buffs it might be 50 50 even in +22 keys

[spare flame]

how do ppl survive skyreach bleed in high keys? do ppl go dwarf or what

[drowsy heron]

that or kite, stuns also help with keeping the bleed from stacking too high if timed correctly

i know i try to keep an eye on the tanks debuffs during those packs to try and stun at the right time

[spare flame]

no i mean the enemy that bleeds like 2 or 3 people

that shit kills you in like 3 ticks

[olive wraith]

D stance probably helps

[drowsy heron]

oh, i dont really pay close attention to that lol. if i get low i go into def stance or pop ER

[languid willow]

ST crawth as thane

in the 21

its actually pretty damn good

[modest condor]

dstance+IV and hope your healer is competent

[spare flame]

photoshop, nice try bud

[languid willow]

LOL

it actualy felt super good

first pull

doing 780k

dps

in the start

but ending

450k

is super nice too

[spare flame]

half as much as UHDK, not too shabby

[languid willow]

I think thane might just

[spare flame]

[languid willow]

kill slayer

who knows

we pray for slayer buffs

[spare flame]

whirlwind damage increased by 3%

[languid willow]

that was crawth

[peak plaza]

Fat

[languid willow]

mini boss is left to be desired tho, but im not confident enough to see if ic an live it yet b/c i still can't time this fucking key

mini boss dmg w/ pot and dipping in and out

[spare flame]

thane doesnt execute as much does it

[languid willow]

like

never almost

SD > rb

in execute

or in general

actualy

[peak plaza]

did u drop massacre for def cd?

[languid willow]

thats about the prio for it

yea

I drop mass for ER

[peak plaza]

and picked up stance mastery?

[languid willow]

nah

still running jav

[zinc python]

Where do you see this?

[wise willow]

+12 MT, what should be the expected top in the meters? should be blood bath on 3-4th spot?

[spare flame]

i was joking

[peak plaza]

alright sweet

[languid willow]

actually dont think you can pick up stance

as thane

since you need clap and crackling thunder

[spare flame]

cause thunder clap shit right

ya

[modest condor]

you can and should play stance mastery as thane

[zinc python]

Yea i know slayer is more popular before but im wondering with the thane buffs if thane will pull ahead

[languid willow]

oh

shit

sil can you send me

the talent for that

then

i can't figure out what to drop to get it

[spare flame]

i guess you could drop jav for it?

i love jav tho

[modest condor]

take the wowhead build, drop javelineer and crushing force for resonant voice and stance mastery

[languid willow]

jav and what else

[hardy cargo]

crushing force is the first on the right side

[nova zenith]

Hard choice to drop jav since the silence from wrecking can be clutch to shutdown a free casting caster outside of the pack and you don’t have a DK to grip

[hardy cargo]

but is stance mastery rlly even necessary assuming u have ER I have only done a couple of 21s but I havent felt I needed it at all

[spare flame]

wrecking fucking wrecks shields too

[hardy cargo]

though I suppose also im playing sl;ayuer so it will be necessary in some places

if swapping to thane

[spare flame]

like that banshee in WS

wrecking throw fucks

[modest condor]

you're dropping javelineer, not wrecking throw

[nova zenith]

Yeah, lots of wrecking throw usage throughout

[spare flame]

right

but jav increases wrecking dmg

[nova zenith]

It’s just the silence from jav along with the increased damage that’s potentially being dropped

[hardy cargo]

might be per dungeon basis on what u wanna play

[dim spindle]

I'd say set because the proc actually does respectable damage considering it's free (though it's fallen from ~1% overall in m+ to .6-.7% with higher ilvl last time I checked). But +52 speed is pretty great, too. + speed is underrated by many imo

+speed can translate into both DR and +dps. And zoom zoom is just fun.

Before I finally racked up about +10% worth of speed rating I felt like a slug compared to some other classes when enrage and leap is down. Now I can mostly keep up out of combat.

Though now that I'm aiming to push higher in keys it's probably best to switch the speed shoulder enchant to avoidance... but I dont wanna 🙁

Someone talk me into keeping the +speed

[jolly wind]

is thane better now than slayer

how is thane doing

[dim spindle]

I'd guess about 2-3.5% better than yesterday

Honestly I'd have been happier with a ~5.5% buff to ST and 0% to MT, but this buff is better than no buff. And it's pretty difficult to solely buff ST beyond buffing autoattack damage by some dumb %

[jolly wind]

so is slayer still good

i dont wanna play thane

[dim spindle]

Sure, just further behind in aoe and less ahead in ST

On paper

But if you enjoy slayer more and play it better then that will be a bigger buff than today's changes

[spare flame]

agreed

[olive wraith]

Ya it’s fine

Tb buff should’ve happened ages ago

Clap shouldn’t have been doing higher raw damage

[keen kindle]

see here's the fun part

Blizz basically can't buff fury st without buffing aoe

[spare flame]

i mean they could buff abilities and nerf whirlwind cleave accordingly but

[modest condor]

it's not like our 5 target is so strong that they would have to nerf ww cleave if they buff our st

[spare flame]

you know blizzard

remember nerubar palace incident?

[olive wraith]

There’s always lightning strikes and ss

[dim spindle]

+200% autoattack damage. gg

[spare flame]

back to Bfa numbers

where auto was our highest dmg by a mile

[dim spindle]

Everyone loves autoattack at #1 or #2

windfury (will never be skyfury to me) will be required

[languid willow]

another 21 crawth

as thane

[dim spindle]

Would be cooler with +200% autoattack damage

[spare flame]

bad photoshop

[dim spindle]

You beat the ret though. wp

Shammies are ok because they're bros

[languid willow]

shammy also getting pi helps a ton on that boss

[compact knot]

dont forget what shaman got away with in tww

[spare flame]

bring back ashen juggernaut

[coarse nest]

That’s funny the Ele is in my guild

[compact knot]

for fury only

[dim spindle]

What did they get away with? I missed 80% of TWW

[spare flame]

deal

[languid willow]

i miss ashen jug

[compact knot]

s1 of tww was just egregious

[languid willow]

what a fun talent

[compact knot]

both specs best dps in raid and m+ by a mile

[languid willow]

s1 enahnce

w aug

was criminally broken

[compact knot]

dont forget ele was also just as good later on lmao

[dim spindle]

Was jug the stacking execute + damage talent?

[compact knot]

execute crit chance i think only

but it was pretty much 100% crit chance once it stacked

[sullen dove]

Was crit for fury and damage for arms

slightly diff talent names I think anyway

[dim spindle]

Ahh, still cool. I barely remember the chunk of bfa I played. Dementia is a bitch

[sullen dove]

like ashen juggernaut for fury or something

[dim spindle]

Eat your fish and eggs, kids.

I blame all the lead that was still falling off buildings and probably mixed into the atmosphere when I was a kid. Oh yeah and hairspray.

[fickle stirrup]

Is Eyes of the Eagle still the best ring enchant?

[winter shoal]

Very likely but you can sim it

[fickle stirrup]

Aye aye
Ty!

[kind bison]

are we prob going thane for keys/raid now?

[winter shoal]

You can play either spec in either

[eager jackal]

Is there any dps difference with arms warrior? Arms warriors feels clunky man

[winter shoal]

I'd play thane on paladins but you can justify either in anything otherwise

[kind bison]

lowkey prefer thane for consistency, not getting enough exe procs makes me wanna kms

[winter shoal]

Both fury and arms are similarly good in M+ and similarly okay in raid

[eager jackal]

Awesome thanks.

[winter shoal]

It's always good to be able to play both, but you never have to play either

[kind bison]

ty for quick answer vro 🙂

[radiant plank]

yeah but fury sucks ass

[winter shoal]

[coarse nest]

[spare flame]

bro this shit is simming higher than any 285 crafted neck lol

[peak plaza]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qDvaWQqU7RJgoErENjDUXJ

it is way worse than crafted neck

[spare flame]

i simmed patchwerk 5 targets

and it's like 100 extra dps

not that it's much higher, but funny still

[sullen dove]

Me when stats are different for different people in different situations

[spare flame]

i wonder if the new ring from sporefall will be bis for us

heavy haste + low mastery with cantrip dot proc when you deal nature dmg

[sullen dove]

which we’ll never deal

but stats maybe ok

[spare flame]

thane does

[sullen dove]

eh I guess yea

The real spec doesn’t proc it

Cluegi

[lethal quiver]

i think i have too much haste

[sullen dove]

idk how ur 290 and 24% mastery

had to have never simmed ever surely

[spare flame]

bro are you using that ring from seat

haste vers garbanzo

[lethal quiver]

i usually play prot xD

[sullen dove]

it’s like “useable” but not ideal but just the mast in general

[lethal quiver]

so i've been stacking haste

[stiff maple]

You gotta get some mastery on your shit fr

[sullen dove]

More reasonable then

[lethal quiver]

oh i was with the wrong ring

[spare flame]

these are my stats

as of now

[lethal quiver]

29% xD
i'm considering turning my helmet into tier

[sullen dove]

it is a good lil piece for fury

[lethal quiver]

i will gain like 100 mastery
but i like the helm for extra haste for prot

[sullen dove]

but idk if ur prot main think the crit haste base is better

can just try to get another helmet

or bonus roll one from dungeon if u aren’t going for anything in specific

maybe where you also bonus roll other more mastery centric ish gear if u wanna try to get a lil better of a fury set

should be fine to just dps weekly keys or whatever though or even push/raid a little bit or something tho

[lethal quiver]

i can recraft my bracer and cape for haste mastery (haste criit right now)

[stiff maple]

Is there even a mastery neck in keys

[sullen dove]

nah

[stiff maple]

Idk what youre supposed to use if not the lura neck 😭

[sullen dove]

nowhere in the game but lura and the PvP quest

[stiff maple]

The pvp thing i guess

Yea

[bitter palm]

craft

[sullen dove]

Or crafted

yea

[stiff maple]

Oh yea

You can just craft

[sullen dove]

I’m using salhadaar neck on fury cinema

[bitter palm]

best neck for fury aside from lura

pvp neck is hero only

[sullen dove]

craft didn’t look better with initial sim tests but didn’t try that hard idk

[stiff maple]

I yoinked lura neck on the 1st kill

[bitter palm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/845318240745160775/1049754429735313429/unknown-3-1.gif

[lusty jungle]

bro what is that gem

[sullen dove]

What did the dog do to deserve this

[spare flame]

bro i just noticed i had a shitter gem on it

when i posted the screenshot

fml

[bitter palm]

unspeakable crimes

[sullen dove]

free him

[lethal quiver]

is the difference from stacking mastery noticiable?

[stiff maple]

Its just more damage

You can sim your character to see the difference

[sullen dove]

idk prolly a couple percent dps at least mastery is goodge

[stiff maple]

Yea

[umbral hinge]

If your prot main I would assume it’d make more sense to dps as arms so you don’t need a whole different second set

[ashen owl]

What am i supposed to be using wrecking throw on? Just shields?

[sullen dove]

can kick mobs in m+ too with jav

[stiff maple]

Any barrier or to silence mobs if you take that talent

[spare flame]

casters being silly

[sullen dove]

do I get to kill the boss this week

500 pulls later

[smoky vale]

(no)

do i turn on 3.5 radio

or

[bitter palm]

of course

[ashen owl]

Does it silence?

[bitter palm]

go swordish!!!

[smoky vale]

experience it myself

[olive wraith]

Press it when you’re out of range cause mechanics

[stiff maple]

If you have javelineer talented

[spare flame]

if you have javelineer talent

[smoky vale]

hi kiwicat

[olive wraith]

if you have javelineer talent

[stiff maple]

Hi giofiftyseven

[smoky vale]

lf +21s

[stiff maple]

Im at work

[bitter palm]

lf noobs

[sullen dove]

how bout you lf a job

[stiff maple]

I think i looted maisara from vault

Thats a prime double warrior key

[smoky vale]

@sullen dove explode

[stiff maple]

(Dont ask me about last boss)

[bitter palm]

prime double balls hd key

[ashen owl]

Another question, im looking at the archon build, it doesnt have storm bolt specced but it does have Storm Bolts in the hero talents specced.. What gives?

[bitter palm]

@sullen dove balls57

truth nuke or fake

[smoky vale]

kiwi refer to my name

[bitter palm]

nothing else to take

[stiff maple]

🥀

[sullen dove]

idk storm bolt in raid doesn’t matter and you have to take the sb talent or the intervene talent

[ashen owl]

10 4

Thanks

[bitter palm]

7

[stiff maple]

Tbh i have storm bolt talented so

You dont have to follow that class tree exactly

[smoky vale]

57

[stiff maple]

Lots of the top stuff is just utility

[bitter palm]

W rework in midnight

still 9 thousand dps talents

👍

[smoky vale]

@sullen dove you were right about them glazing the fuck outta cifera

[frank sonnet]

Guys, how many targets when playing as MT, are required to prioritize thunderclap over execute, and eventually bloodthirst?(outside of cd's)

[winter shoal]

7

[quasi fractal]

if i had a genie wish i would annihilate all demonoly warlock and devourer demon hunter players

[frank sonnet]

It's 7 for both exe and bt?

[stiff maple]

This guy hates demons

[lethal quiver]

why we play enraged frenzy if mastery > haste?

[jolly wind]

15percent haste all the time is huge

[smoky vale]

sims better

[jolly wind]

feels so fast

[lethal quiver]

but why not use the same logic for gear stats

[stiff maple]

You do

You use what sims best

[ashen owl]

Becuase you already have so much stuff giving you haste, and not as much flat buffing your mast

[quasi fractal]

i just want to spend my voidcores stop inviting these meta chuds

[lethal quiver]

i'm sad cuz my heroic heart of hunger sims better
and i can't get a myth one so i'm stuck x.x

[quasi fractal]

puzzlebox outsimmed mine barely

lucky me

[jolly wind]

should i keep rolling on dreamrift to try and get heroic gaze or shoguld i just spend my voidcores in mplus at this point

im never getting it

[lethal quiver]

i hate this overtuned trinkets from raid philosophy, i just want chill on m+

[jolly wind]

i have puzzle box rn

[modest condor]

the haste is multiplicative

[quasi fractal]

i need one of the rings from npx

[wooden herald]

they are MINE:

[quasi fractal]

but blizzard will not grace me with my own npx key

and even at 3300 you will be permanently declined from any 10-12 and have to sit in the 14+ waiting room

[lethal quiver]

i have the void one, and the light popped on my vault, but i guess i'm getting a socket.
the double haste/mastery ring seems better

[quasi fractal]

the combo outsims for me just barely and i already threw all my cores into npx

im guaranteed done with it this week

[lethal quiver]

how good voidclaw gloves are on fury?

[quasi fractal]

technically the best

just cuz they do a little bit of damage

[keen kindle]

Only really bis if u also have the neck from alleria

[summer quail]

it's alot more than 15% as well

[keen kindle]

M+

[quasi fractal]

i dont but they havent been outsimmed by any other glove that i can find, maybe a haste mastery one somewhere but im already approaching caps on both

[lethal quiver]

the catalyst gloves sims way better for me

like 3-4%?

[keen kindle]

Are you simming aoe?

[lethal quiver]

yes

[keen kindle]

Thats ur problem

Dont sim aoe for gearing

[winter shoal]

Cantrip effects don't tend to be very good in aoe

[keen kindle]

That too

[lethal quiver]

but aoe has more value in m+ i think

[keen kindle]

Dosent matter

[quasi fractal]

until you get higher then prio damage is more important

[keen kindle]

Its just not as accurate

[lethal quiver]

still worse on st

[sullen dove]

Where

if ur using reck pot in sim gloves might bring you below mastery highest stat threshold

which is about that much loss

[lethal quiver]

i have way more haste even without gloves

[sullen dove]

Only other option is breaking 4set which if I remember right u didn’t have a tier helm

if you catalyzed it though may be the more uncommon issue of having so little mast the glove mastery is actually that significant on its own

[lethal quiver]

i could catalyst the helm (i actually thing im doit it)

[jolly wind]

i got gaze luckily enough

now i dont have to deal with puzzlebox

actually is solarflame or puzzlebox better

[smoky vale]

in 3.4 and 3.5

[sullen dove]

but 2k dps seems like a lot for just that

eh can use either, maybe lean slightly more towards crit trink since gaze gives a bit of mastery

but pbox good for on use burst in m+ if u do some meaty pulls around it

Idr if she was mentioned much in either but yea idk she carried it up till like 3.3

they glaze all of em bout equally I think no they all important

[solemn trench]

Has anyone tried Thane? Is it better than Slayer?

[lethal quiver]

if i recraft my bracer... will it keep the socket i added?

[winter shoal]

It's a couple % better than it was last week, so it went from extremely close to still extremely close

play whichever you prefer

[solemn trench]

or to be a little above haha

[lethal quiver]

do u guys think there is a huge difference from 295 weapons to 298?
i only have one that's 298 the other is crafted

[digital tundra]

is there an addon for when to press spell reflect?

[smoky vale]

no

[digital tundra]

since the weakaura isnt here anymore

[smoky vale]

the most you can get is targeted spells

and then know yourself if you can reflect it

[digital tundra]

ah ok thanks!

[smoky vale]

#fury message

[spare flame]

ok thane felt pretty good in pit of saron

[somber mauve]

This guy is just wrong right? I havent touch my warrior in 2 weeks, but im pretty sure thane still gaps slayer in m+, no?

Just a thread I saw in the wow reddit, thought I'd confirm with you guys hes not spreading dogshit info to people

[spare flame]

they are extremely close in performance

slayer has a bit more single target dmg while thane has more multitarget dmg

and i guess thane has less rng

[somber mauve]

👍

[spare flame]

but yeah you shouldnt be under tank in damage unless you're in week 1 and your tank is a pre nerfed guardian druid

[grand vale]

i thought that was bis

298 mh and 295 oh with hunt on it

[somber mauve]

Ya thats crazy, thane is like the easiest spec to play too apparently he was just not pressing buttons enough

[grand vale]

that might be an age thing

[spare flame]

you'd be surprised how much dps ppl miss because they are simply not pressing their buttons enough

[grand vale]

pressing buttons fast is reaction time which goes down once you get older

understanding rotations doesnt go down unless you're like 60

so if someone in his mid 20s can't play fury right well

i have bad news for him

it's hard to be a good fury player once you're an old fart is what i'm saying

even when the rotation is easy

[hoary wigeon]

Are Arcanoweave embellishments worth dropping from 289 to 285 on a gear slot?

[jolly wind]

ya i think

[spare flame]

if you dont have two embellishments

already

[digital tundra]

For thane do you just press clap on cd?

[grand vale]

on wrists and cloak they are

[jolly wind]

yea what i love about fury is how high apm it is even tho the rotation is ez its a lot of fun

mashing ur keyboard

[hoary wigeon]

Exactly the slots in question. Just got a second myth weapon up to 298 so I dropped my emellishment there and was trying to decide if I should drop 6/6 cloak back down to my crafted one

[spare flame]

i wouldnt craft a belt if you do any kind of mythic raiding cause there is a 298 belt coming out soon

from sporefall

but i guess crests are infinite now so

[grand vale]

this is for the old folks

i wonder why simulationcraft doesn't release actual tier lists

the one from their site is just old

[spare flame]

34 actions per minute?

[grand vale]

don't look at me it's from simulationcraft.org

[spare flame]

devastation players will never get any wrist injury

[grand vale]

mage is also very chill

and highly competitive

spellslinger is the best spec rn i think

old man spec as it looks

i should reroll, hitting 40 soon

[rigid chasm]

reaction time diminishes with age way more gently than people think

it's not like some sharp decrease for most players in the wow age demographics

[grand vale]

especially not for regular gamers ig

[rigid chasm]

although old people are more likely to have repetitive stress injuries that make high APM specs harder

[grand vale]

though those injuries can be prevented pretty easily with ergonomics and proper keybinding

[languid willow]

i'm never going to time this key

[rigid chasm]

have you tried pressing buttons harder

[languid willow]

i might just go back slayer

idk

[quasi fractal]

Unholy with the wicked 26% and still doing more

Some specs get it all 😢

Feel like i just need to bite the bullet and play slayer if i want to do any real high keys but the roto just feels more jank to me

[ashen geyser]

Slayer is easier once you start using it.

Then aagin I'm only ay 17s

[languid willow]

Slayer feels easier to play imo

[ashen geyser]

I find slayer has less uh

Fishing?

[languid willow]

And smoother, but thane buffs still don’t compensate for the ST needed for AA

[ashen geyser]

I mean you still fish for reap with rampage cleave

But thane is like

"Thunderclap free bt? No? Thunderclap again"

[quasi fractal]

I think its just the amount of thane ive been playing

[ashen geyser]

"Maybe god willing Inshallah praise him I'll get a proc"

[grand vale]

lol

[quasi fractal]

Its the worst when you get a proc as you reck

Just waste one into the void

Let me hold 3 blizzard im begging

[ashen geyser]

Aw yeah

I love no upgrades in the vault 6 weeks in a row

Maybe I should download that addon that lets me play a guessing game

So I can be even more disappointed

[lusty jungle]

sockets bis anyway

[quasi fractal]

Only one more week of sockets for me 😢

Until sporefall then we do it all again

[olive wraith]

Am I crazy or is critcake pumping st on Colo

[frank dawn]

that sounds like slightly unhinged talk, but I'm listening

[slim coral]

you're crazy

most of that damage is from the ads spawning

[olive wraith]

I swear he did 160k on bird boss

[slim coral]

that's funnel

anytime you bring colo funnel it will look good

its actual boss damage is awful

[olive wraith]

Oh I missed them pulling onto boss

Gotcha

[ashen geyser]

Bizentein mentions it in his video

Arms boss damage sucks unless there's some sort of funnel.

Cause you know

The spec blizz descibes as the "slow but heavy hitting" warrior

Hits worse than a tank.

[honest trail]

1st try before bed, a legendary key 🙏

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xh7adzqvBDKwbyn4?fight=4&type=damage-done

[ashen geyser]

#Logic

[olive wraith]

Just Colo

Slarms has good st

[grand vale]

You brought a blue friend

[ashen geyser]

Course but slayer has better st anyway.

It's like going "Well if you drive slower you'll not risk a speeding ticket."

[olive wraith]

No idea what you’re trying to say tbh

[ashen geyser]

Idk.

I play warrior man

[honest trail]

I needed that sky fury

[ashen geyser]

My brain doesn't work

If it did I'd play a good class

[grand vale]

slarms still has worse st than st fury

[ashen geyser]

^ That too

[olive wraith]

Slarms has better aoe than slurry though

[ashen geyser]

Does it?

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure

[ashen geyser]

I feel like overall fury will do better

And it's less prone to fucking up

[lofty forge]

why do i have to transmog my offhand all the time. it keeps resetting

[olive wraith]

Ask an arms bro @bitter palm

[ashen geyser]

Cause the new transmog system is doo doo ass

[young swan]

pretty hard to fuck up slarms

[ashen geyser]

You'd be surprised

[bitter palm]

i havent specced fury except nullaeus

i tried thane in 20 algethar

[ashen geyser]

Not me I play fury like a bad player

[bitter palm]

and we had no dmg on big lasher

[ashen geyser]

I actually hate succeeding so

[bitter palm]

then went arms and easily killed

[olive wraith]

Slarms AA sounds like a good time

[ashen geyser]

Critcake has a vid on it.

An 18 I think.

or 19.

[olive wraith]

Relies less on funnel right?

[ashen geyser]

No, cause reap procs off the cleave

Hitting more than 3 targets

I think.

[rancid heron]

are the thane buffs out?

[olive wraith]

It’s not reap they want is it?

I thought it was the slam on primary target

[ashen geyser]

That's fervor

Hold on

@olive wraith

Arms slayer

[olive wraith]

I know that

But that’s not the funnel they want is what I’m saying

At least I think

Cause fury also has that

[ashen geyser]

I don't play arms in any serious capacity cause I suck at the game

But fervoir still needs 3 targets

This is what you're thinking of

[radiant plank]

Demolish CDR needs 2 targets xoxo

[ashen geyser]

And yeah demolish gets lucky

[olive wraith]

Ya that’s the funnel psure

[frank dawn]

demolish cdr is still so ass on single target

[ashen geyser]

Wait the demolish CDR is 3

[radiant plank]

Crit more

[ashen geyser]

According to this talent

[frank dawn]

like it's almost too much on aoe, and still ass on single

[ashen geyser]

Cleave specifically*

[radiant plank]

Read more of the talents

[ashen geyser]

Or do you just mean MS

[radiant plank]

MS is 5s

[ashen geyser]

Man reading is TOUGH

And I know the MS is 5

[radiant plank]

which you press on CD

[ashen geyser]

I meant just the cleave aspect

Cause we were talking about cleave/funnel for the reap/fervor

[vale solar]

How’s thane looking yall?

[olive wraith]

About 4% better

[vale solar]

Any word on if it’s out performing slayer yet?

[olive wraith]

In what way

[vale solar]

Slayer was just better overall, just wondering if thane will be the choice now

[olive wraith]

What aspect

Keys?

[languid willow]

I’m so confused where people got this consensus of slayer is better

[olive wraith]

Raid?

[vale solar]

Keys

[ashen geyser]

I miss our tierset

From Manaforge

[olive wraith]

They’re still about equal. Thane has better overalls slayer has better st/prio

So pick the profile you want

[radiant plank]

If you want to kill the small adds that other specs are getting funnel from and brick your keys -> Play Thane

[frank dawn]

Wasn't slayer the most played since the buffs in M+? Even if it was just because people prefer it, I think streamers and such were def playing slayer more even if the actual data might have said something different (i don't know what the data said)

[vale solar]

Slayer is better in raid aside from dragons I believe

[olive wraith]

I mean the higher you go the more time you spend on bosses right?

[stoic loom]

Because they see top players playing slayer and it cant possibly be that thane and slayer are so close, its just preference

Surely it must mean slayer gaps thane!!

[olive wraith]

The only key I’d say slayer is actually better is AA

Might be an argument for others

[spare flame]

slayer feels good in skyreach too

[frank dawn]

Slayer always feels good because Bladestorm is finally proper dopamine

until CDR RNG shits on your dopamine and prompts babyrage.

[spare flame]

yeah

[olive wraith]

I feel nothing when I hit bs

[spare flame]

rng feels kinda bad in slayer

when we getting season 2 tier set bonuses datamining?

[frank dawn]

12.1 isn't on any ptr yet right?

[radiant plank]

Like 1-2 weeks

[spare flame]

dont thnk so

[grim chasm]

2pc bonus: Raging Blow damage increased by 1000%. You can press this button now and not feel bad.

[spare flame]

unironically

i think they might

[grim chasm]

I wish. Horrible button to press

[spare flame]

i wonder if odyn will be back to the dumpster

[ashen geyser]

I didn't notice they removed the free whirlwind off odyn's

[spare flame]

yep

that sucks

[ashen geyser]

When did they remove it

I thought it was in this expansion but

I don't recall

[spare flame]

i think they removed it as we transitioned to midnight prepatch

[frank dawn]

yeah my two big wishes for 12.1 is to make slayer cdr rng not booty, and make the raging blow talent path more interesting and viable

[spare flame]

talent tree shifted a bit and it got removed

[ashen geyser]

"Damn, all these classes are doing really well."

[grim chasm]

Such a big QoL loss when they removed that

[ashen geyser]

"Nerf warrior."

"Sir, Ret is doing 30% extra damage a verdict."

"That's terrible."

"Nerf rampage."

[frank dawn]

lul

[ashen geyser]

"Tanks are at an all time low in participation."

"Make recklessness a 5 min CD with a 5 second duration."

#BlizzBalancing

[spare flame]

12.1: warriors now have access to bloodlust/heroism

[grim chasm]

[ashen geyser]

Nah they'll give it to DKs.

[grim chasm]

I miss that button. I was a shaman main until this xpac

[ashen geyser]

I want to play enhance again but it doesn't feel good

Am I crazy?

[grim chasm]

Not crazy

[ashen geyser]

I never mained it but I alted it

[grim chasm]

I quit shaman because it feels terrible

[spare flame]

i havent played enhance since wod so i cant tell ya

[ashen geyser]

And it didn't feel the same this expack

[olive wraith]

I think it’s a fair bet that Blizz will put bt in the dumpster and we will over value rb again

They like making one of them shit it seems

[worn yoke]

that would be far too logical.

[summer quail]

this is the first expansion in a looong time where we've been bt focused. i guess s3 df but we didn't even have rb then xD

[olive wraith]

S2 Df was like half half I guess

Probably the most balance in recent years

[fickle stirrup]

It should never result in actively trying to avoid pressing a button as much as possible. If you're gonna give me a damage kit, don't make it feel like shit when I have to use all of it.

[dreamy saffron]

how should i sim for M+. dungeon slice?

[inner zinc]

i use quick sim 1 target 5min and 5 target 5mins

[oak pecan]

how are we feeling after buffs

[languid willow]

4% better

[grand vale]

https://tenor.com/view/feelsgood-feels-good-feel-feels-good-gif-1872912188868269535

[inner zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-super-broly-broly-super-saiyan-broly-legendary-super-saiyan-power-up-gif-25779826

[jolly wind]

yeah i hate how rb is so bad now

i also dont like spamming ww in aoe, id rather it just be u use ur 4 ww stacks then ww to refresh

i dont like pressing ww over rb

[gentle badge]

What about the good ol days of merciless bonegrinder conduit in SL? Rampage then 4x ww until rampage about to fall off then rampage again

I think that was name of conduit

[merry night]

feels fuckin terrible doesnt it😂

[bitter palm]

if it wasnt doing 9 trillion dps u wouldve hated it

degenerate horrid gameplay

[serene cloud]

https://giphy.com/gifs/magicedenofficial-bitcoin-btc-bull-market-B01DCrMlHTn59dNkSR

[quasi fractal]

is that actually how bad it is now lmao, if you have nothing else to press ww is just better than rb?

thats pretty bleak

[gentle badge]

yeah probably lmao

it was sick when it proc'd with the aoe buff from gavel too 🫨

[eager stirrup]

Slayer still better for Mythic crown after today? I’d assume so, even though I’m a rare Mountain Thane preferer.

[warm crag]

only thing that matters is st on that fight

[hybrid cargo]

anybody use ACDM? like its not tracking my heart proc. anyone have experience with this?

[keen kindle]

The instant I saw the alpha sb changes

I was done with enhancd

[grim chasm]

Yep!

It’s cool though. Warrior has been a nice change. I was a shaman main for 15 years lol

[keen kindle]

Does rng sb feel that much worse?

I was enhance for tww

Mostly cuz I was immensely salty at how tww s1 went for warriors

[grim chasm]

I couldn’t tell you. I haven’t touched my shaman since pre patch came out lol.

[keen kindle]

Fair

Haven't touched mine since tww s2

[brisk sierra]

so after the buffs to fury thane, which one is better for dungeons? thane or slayer?

[languid willow]

Which one do you like better?

[brisk sierra]

slayer

[languid willow]

Then play that one

[brisk sierra]

bet

[slim coral]

number wise I believe thane is now just overall better

[brisk sierra]

dang it

[charred flint]

so

is rampant abandon bad?

it sims a lot higher for me

wondering why

also main stat food simming higher than secondaries

Oh nvm just noticed it has a negative effect

[odd vapor]

Curently playing with my enhanc shaman dúo, what should my 3rd dps be?

[languid willow]

I mean tons of options, ret, rogue, hunter, even dk isn’t bad benefits from shout and mastery

Or feral

Have the benefit of being a non lust class since shaman.

[hot shell]

Id pack up a ret so you have some prio damage

[quasi fractal]

Monk so you can be a greedy damage meter andy

[languid willow]

Especially if your going thane now your prio dmg will go down some

[odd vapor]

Should i focus on a ranged?

Been playing with palla, not bad at all

[hot shell]

There is no dungeon that requires a range at all, sooo no u dont have to take a stupid hunter

[languid willow]

Just gotta be careful not to nuke the funnel mobs now as thane

So try not to spam clap unless you have TB proc or refreshing WW

[odd vapor]

Love that

[languid willow]

If the ret is in exe

Kinda need to be an ethical gamer if your running with rets and not just try to pad meters

[hot shell]

Just hope your Enhancer friend is good. Usually there is 2 types of shamans

1. They do no dmg
2. They do dmg but die to every fart cause they dont know mechanics

But yeah, pick a ret really. A good ret simplifies so many mechanics its just too good to miss out on

[storm birch]

@languid willow yoooo! How’s the grind m8

[neat gazelle]

thane feels realy good

[quasi fractal]

is the current wowhead slayer aoe prio list right?

[languid willow]

Holy shit the man is back

[languid willow]

AA and seat away from resil 21

[arctic portal]

will MT overtake with the buffs in m+? i really dont like thane 😄

[winter shoal]

They're very close, play whichever you prefer

[olive wraith]

Hasn’t this been the case all season

Ayyyyy it’s oxxy

Now we just need jeventes

[olive wraith]

Yes

[spare flame]

both as thane?

[languid willow]

I'm playing thane in everything

this week

if things feel rough i'll do slayer in some keys

[spare flame]

i think you did the two keys where slayer would theoretically be better right

so thane all the way now

i guess

[languid willow]

I mean slayer will so do grat

**great

in both Sr/AA

but just want to play with new buffs is all

[ember leaf]

why didnt i get any other good trinket over puzzlebox

[summer quail]

i think only AA slayer is better. just because of the first pull prio damage, yeah thane might look stronger on meter but the big lashers need to die

[icy whale]

in comps that need single target slayer will still be better

thane is overall more damage, but some may struggle at certain bosses depending on dungeon or comp

[spare flame]

watching classes do 1mi+ on that pull

that would never be us, blizzard wouldnt allow it

[jagged socket]

i played frost dk for an AA with an aug

peaked at 1.5m iirc

[summer quail]

[jagged socket]

creamed

but alas i always come back to brown town

[spare flame]

watch me rampage all these 5 enemies right here

[unborn musk]

You also trigger reap the storm tho

[olive wraith]

Or clap/tb

[icy whale]

and you gain enrage

[spare flame]

20% 🥀

[unborn musk]

20% per target like the RBs in TWW S3 set or flat 20%, or 20% per rampage hit?

[sullen dove]

yea if only it was either of those other 2 things

big fat flat 20%

[unborn musk]

😭

[spare flame]

"20% per target"

you fucking wish

[unborn musk]

Damn well I do. That becomes 68% on 5 targets

[spare flame]

tww s3.. back when raging blow was a real button

[neat gazelle]

can thane be played in all dungeons? or is it like col arms and slayer arms when you have to play slayer in aa and sky?

[drowsy heron]

are today's buffs up on the sim?

[olive wraith]

Should be

[olive wraith]

Thane is less troll on pure st compared to Colo

What key levels you doing

[haughty token]

is rampaging ruin worth taking yet

[sullen dove]

hell nah

[haughty token]

thats what i thought

[drowsy heron]

it can work for Slury if you play around it but overall i dont think its worth the trouble

[young swan]

i dont think its even worth it then

you play slurry for better prio/ST

taking RR is counter intuitive to that goal

[drowsy heron]

true, just saying thats one of the use cases

[winter shoal]

Yes thane can be played everywhere

[spare flame]

34 interrupts done in a maisara run, my healer must have loved me or something

[olive wraith]

I wish CC counted as kicks

[woven valley]

man that thunderblast buff makes us PUMP on dragons

[drowsy heron]

i bet lol

should pump on paladins too

[woven valley]

was doing more than everyone for the entire fight till the end cause people fucked up and caused us to get feared and deadge

but i was still second overall

sadly no rekill yet on pally or crown doing bel prog then going back

[neat gazelle]

are combat pots sent on cd with cds are do we save them foe the big pulls, boss fights etc?

[woven valley]

thats a very situational question tbh

[neat gazelle]

like for instance, i had cds up.. boss had 25% health. do i send it there? or save it for the big pull after/

yeah prob

save the combat potion, not my cds

[proud surge]

Wats slayer rotation in aoe

[woven valley]

i would say this. use it where youll get the full 30 seconds out of it

[neat gazelle]

i like the way you think azzy

[woven valley]

plus with our cdr we get our cds back fast

so its not much of a wait

[neat gazelle]

for sure

[olive wraith]

Check wowhead

[spare pagoda]

Hey guys I have a question about gear/vault, is this the right place?

[delicate lion]

wait are the thane buffs in today?

[charred flint]

yay

voidspire down

now its only lura and birb

[brazen kernel]

is colossus better overall in M+ now after patch?

[olive wraith]

Colo remains the highest ceiling

But does require you to pull onto the boss

Probably not gonna happen in the average pug

[summer quail]

bird pretty fun, killed him today

[charred flint]

I just hope they're better than cosmos

honestly

fuck that fight

[summer quail]

anything is better than cosmos

[inland steppe]

hey

mt or slayer for m+? around 11-13 range

[sinful pelican]

you cant go wrong with any spec in 11-13 range

doesnt matter at all

or atleast both are super strong as well!

[charred flint]

what you find more fun

[sinful pelican]

I cant play slayer in lower keys cause things die so fast that its zero fun waiting on cd's but on MT atleast youre always working towards resetting those cooldowns