fury

[chilly zodiac]

is patchwork the best sim to use across the board?

[winter shoal]

Yes for the most part

1t 5m and 5t 5m + use brain to compare

[unborn musk]

I'm starting to like slayer more and more now that I got the hang of it
Pit +16

[olive wraith]

Bro I thought udk was good

[queen panther]

it is with bigger pulls and externals it feels like.

around army windows

[old latch]

[olive wraith]

im still doing baby keys

13 mc

but he def should be over 100k right

[old latch]

tbf details is bugged for udk other people in the key see him with less damage than he actually have

[olive wraith]

Is this why people log now

[old latch]

the dk sees the right damage but not others

[steel shard]

play arms ong

way better than fury

[olive wraith]

Isn’t aa the one key Colo shouldn’t do

[bitter palm]

slayer?

[old latch]

stats are too different and I enjoy fury

[olive wraith]

Slayer would be fine I guess

[bitter palm]

has way better prio

[old latch]

but last 3 20s are hard to get in

[bitter palm]

stats don't matter

but the 2nd point is valid

play what u like

[old latch]

well now I'm just playing LFG

[bitter palm]

arms would help

[old latch]

you think I can play arms with that tho ?

[sinful pelican]

Do you have to player slayer arms now

[bitter palm]

also slarms is giga w/e

[bitter palm]

get crit jewelery

and crit flask and ure good

[olive wraith]

Arms can perform better sure

[old latch]

will see how it plays but I have no idea how to play it for now

[olive wraith]

Assuming you’re not like giga bad at arms

[bitter palm]

i mean

slarms is very simple

press cleave press sudden death press overpower and execute in aoe

bs only with cs

ava only with cs

[old latch]

I thought it was colossus tho

oh both seems to be played

[bitter palm]

not in aa

[winter shoal]

You can play any of the 4 dps specs

They all have their strengths and weaknesses, but all are good for their own reasons

[bitter palm]

ye but if u want to reduce lfg time arms is better

[old latch]

well I guess I can't in 20s they just don't want the fury specs

[winter shoal]

People have been timing 20s as fury for like a month or more

[old latch]

I know I have 5 20s timed

[bitter palm]

yes but people see arms doing damage and only want to invite it

its lfg creatures

and tbh it is just better. not that u cant time 22s with fury but arms is objectively better especially if u are colo and get funnel

[languid willow]

Just do what I do and queue as arms then swap fury before the key starts

[old latch]

do you really ?

thought about it but didnt do it

[languid willow]

lol sometimes just depends

I know the people in lfg

Who are like that

[loud zinc]

noxiv is clearing 23s on slayer fury so no

[languid willow]

And I know which ones know that fury can do just as well

[old latch]

I never said fury was too bad to do 20s

[loud zinc]

my b misread

[old latch]

but as fury I sit in LFG and get messaged that

[olive wraith]

Can’t help it

[languid willow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ph8zTnf3XY7xLV4a?fight=4&type=damage-done we just did 21 pit with fdk, MM hunter, and fury warrior lol ppl are just stupid

[olive wraith]

Tbh I wouldn’t be able to do as much on arms just cause I’m not used to it

Even if arms can perform better; doesn’t mean I’ll perform better in it

[summer quail]

people finally not sleeping on fdk. it's been real strong for a while, it's like tww s1 all over again. just opposite

[languid willow]

They have incredible st and still very strong aoe

[languid willow]

You know the funny part about arms in AA, is that even if you go col (you should go slayer) you only do dmg to the first pack. Fury is just as competitive in that key imo as slayer

[unborn musk]

Bait as arms, switch to fury

[compact knot]

spec is 100x more fun then unholy as well

its 45 second cds are so good as well

[fickle stirrup]

How does the vault work if I killed Chimaerus and Imperator? Does it have a chance to give me loot from other bosses?

[grand vale]

only if you killed those other bosses before

once in the loot pool, always in the loot pool

if you have never killed another myth boss

[lilac osprey]

yeah once you've killed the boss once its always in the loot pool for vault regardless of what you kill that week

[grand vale]

you will only get loot from those two

[fickle stirrup]

Interesting... thank you!

[grand vale]

if you killed 4 myth bosses, one of those 4 being chimaerus

[sage ridge]

Arms prio damage puts it far ahead of Fury is basically all spots imo

[grand vale]

the chance to get loot from him is 43,75%

if all bosses are counted seperately

[sage ridge]

Fury is still in a really good spot though.

[grand vale]

if you only kill chim and imp, you have a 50% of getting loot from chim in the first slot, IF it is not calculated by item

if it is, killing 4 bosses is even worse, because chim has only 3 drops as prot spec

[fickle stirrup]

If I'm going for Gaze should I open my vault as prot?

[grand vale]

yes

[fickle stirrup]

I dont need anything else but trinkets now

Ah okay ty

[grand vale]

chim has one more item as fury/arms

the shit trinket

[winter shoal]

Do you have to pay frostbane or whatever

The one that changes your frost strike

[compact knot]

dont think you need to but ive been playing 2h frostbane

[languid willow]

It’s so fun imo

Has to swap to dk for belo and Lura for guild since our 2nd dk left and it’s been a blast

[compact knot]

think duel wield frostbane is better though

[compact knot]

if you 2h i think you play this build (drop the 2 frostbane talents for the 2 green circled talents) in m+

if you dual wield you play the normal wowhead talents with a heavier focus on frostbane

nvm thats wrong, you drop the bottom green circle the the talent directly above them

[zinc willow]

Hey guys what's a good way to analyze one's rotation. Managing to hit 82K at 287as fury single target in Lura HM and the firet mythic bosses. But I don't want to drag my team down.

[languid willow]

Do a log review against someone of similar ilvl and progression and see how they are doing better than yourself

[winter shoal]

Will need to run some sims on this but might fw it, unholy being zdps outside of army is wack

[warm crag]

run some sims on dn

[winter shoal]

Very insightful comment Spongie 57 thank you

[languid willow]

What’s dn?

[winter shoal]

Arms talent, although I will concede I haven't simmed it in a while

[warm crag]

d(u)n(no)

theres a meta joke in there somewhere

[fresh heart]

hello, with thane talents i always need to stack 2 thunder blast?

or i just need to send it every time

[slim coral]

it depends, in mass aoe you should send thudner blast and thunderclap on cd

[slim coral]

in pure st you can wait to thunderblast until you either hit 2 stacks or rampage and bb/bt are on cd. There's a reallly good wowhead rotation if you want to see min max

@edgy widget

@young swan

[fresh heart]

thank you baze

[warm crag]

i already claimed it dw

[fresh heart]

i was trying to do that but im doing shit dmg

[slim coral]

wait I can ban him

I think

[fresh heart]

[slim coral]

ez

I did it

[edgy widget]

you're so good

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-typing-work-intense-gif-14104915058198403476

Forgot I can ban bots too

haven't seen one since I got instated

[dense elbow]

[sudden tusk]

we can?

i see timeout but no ban

we do not obtain such power

[junior gale]

only Baze specifically cuz hes Baze

[heavy yacht]

i finally hit 3.4k on my fury

[sullen dove]

@frigid zealot @fleet sorrel gio about to be aquila enjoyer too

fish may be schleep unfortunate

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/ox1H5fjP5Rn.gif

is @oblique trail an enjoyer

?

[sullen dove]

oyea prolly

but prolly also bed so w/e

eu debuff

[keen hemlock]

Guys, i can't figure out something about fury and chatgpt don't know either. After i cast whirlwind, my next 4 abilities will cleave, but something is consuming two charges of the cleave after i cast rampage plus 1 ability, what is happening there? Is it a bug?

[sullen dove]

yea chatgpt will never know anything about wow wouldnt ask it for anything

but its just cuz rampage's ww consumption thing is "delayed"

so you lose 1 stack at the end of the rampage animation

and then the next button you press is another stack

[keen hemlock]

ohhhh i see

Thanks

but i can smash without waiting for the end of the rampage animation right?

[sullen dove]

yes

[keen hemlock]

Nice

tyvm

[sullen dove]

yuh

[olive wraith]

Ty for that

[sudden tusk]

eh that did actually used to be an issue

funnily enough

[winter shoal]

1 ww 5 casts

very powerful

[sudden tusk]

@fleet sorrel

@dapper goblet spotted

[fleet sorrel]

true

[slim coral]

I won’t show you

Otherwise I’d have to ban you

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-barnacles-gif-27349480

[brazen kernel]

how are people tping out changing to slayer and back in front of boss on seat

[keen kindle]

By not using your teleport to get there for one

[brazen kernel]

but if you TP there and walk into dungeon, will it put you in front of boss and not at entrance?

[keen kindle]

in front of boss

[brazen kernel]

ohhh

[keen kindle]

evrey boss in M+ now has a waystone that serves as a checkpoint to spawn you there

besides like NPX

[brazen kernel]

so I tried that just now and it put me at the entrance. That's why I asked. Was that a bug?

[keen kindle]

Were you at last boss?

[brazen kernel]

yea 100%

[keen kindle]

probs a bug yeah

unfort

[brazen kernel]

I just tried it in a 16 to see if it would work

[zinc python]

so with the thunderblast changes is thane gonna be meta for keys now?

[summer quail]

more meta than slayer sure but meta overall no

[zinc python]

im wondering if thane will be better for mythic bird too

thats what were progging rn

then slayer

[languid willow]

@slim coral i just saw the app 🙁

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-in-let-me-in-emotiguy-gif-8598121360682300655

[dapper goblet]

baze apping out of fierce

[dapper goblet]

@slim coral where u appin

[keen kindle]

baze needs better guild?

[slim coral]

to a 21 windrunner

I timed it

[unborn musk]

Good job!

[dapper goblet]

gz on the pc trial

[slim coral]

thanks bud

[covert blaze]

[bitter palm]

goat king activities

[oblique trail]

No i have not played genshin since mid 6.4

[oblique trail]

No

[sullen dove]

not talkin bout genshin

also tf

how u callin 6.4 mid

and that was literally only like 2 months ago?

[oblique trail]

Im not calling it mid

[sullen dove]

oh

in the middle of 6.4

silly billy

regardless was talking about hsr amphoreus msq

[oblique trail]

I see

Then yes

[sullen dove]

gios about to finish phainon patch

some good cutscenes there

[oblique trail]

Happy for him

About to enjoy good story

[smoky vale]

need to strike down bazed for timing a 21

[sullen dove]

yea if u wanted to vicariously live thru epic cutscenes

do it for the good of the people

[timid tide]

On Mythic Dreamrift, do you send all your CDs (wiht pots and puzzle) on pull with lust, or do you save them when you go downstairs and send them on the adds. And in general, do you save Bladestorm for adds? I ended up 6th on overal DPS but my numbers jumped up in intermission with all the adds

[sullen dove]

can prolly hold for like 10 seconds since thats bout how long it takes to see adds

but also adds insta die anyway

so dont rly have to pad unless u want to

[smoky vale]

also if you are holding you likely want to go first so if you go second you send on cd

[timid tide]

I was going first all the pulls, yes

[smoky vale]

but also what swordish said

those things die so fast

@sullen dove do you remember week 1

with babyblu

[sullen dove]

watch ur cutscene chud

but yea

miserable

[supple galleon]

Anyone has a good rotation for M+?

[bitter palm]

swordish is fantastic, just needs to work on offensive cooldowns, defensives, positioning, rage management, inverse gravity spread, healthstone flicks, dark energy spots, dragonriding, add damage, reverse gravity positions, rally ability, leap aim, shadowquake control and getting dimensius kills

[smoky vale]

@sullen dove is fantastic, just needs to work on offensive cooldowns, defensives, positioning, rage management, inverse gravity spread, healthstone flicks, dark energy spots, dragonriding, add damage, reverse gravity positions, rally ability, leap aim, shadowquake control and getting dimensius kills

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/fridge-gif-8680132561670761099

[hazy palm]

Hey, seeing Nox using WW a lot as a filler in st even if raging blow is off cd. For slayer that is. Is ww even in st do more/same dmg than rb?

[lusty jungle]

Rend refresh probably

It shouldnt be used for anything else because you only get 3 rage on ST

[hazy palm]

👍

[serene horizon]

Hi guys

I really would like to understand WHY Eyes of the Eagle is the enchant for fury ???

[hazy palm]

It isn’t

[bitter palm]

more damage

[hazy palm]

Just sim

[serene horizon]

BUT Hast and Mastery > crit !!!

[bitter palm]

its 2% more damage whenever u crit

and fury crits a lot

[hazy palm]

Different for every character

[bitter palm]

sim it but it's 99.999% gonna be eyes of the eagle

[serene horizon]

on bloodmallet, you have hast and mastery around 40 and crit around 10, so i dont understand

[smoky vale]

no way cone...

[bitter palm]

it doesnt give crit chance

[serene horizon]

But i trust you

[bitter palm]

it gives crit damage

read what recklessness does

[bitter palm]

hi gius

[serene horizon]

ah ok , crit damage

its not the same

[bitter palm]

yes fury crits a lot

[serene horizon]

thank you fot help

[bitter palm]

np

[bitter palm]

is it possible

to make an addon that plays whenever u cleave as colo

[smoky vale]

probably

[bitter palm]

i guess u cant add conditions like ravager up

[smoky vale]

if targeted spells exists

why wouldnt that be able to exist

[bitter palm]

idk u cant read buffs with wa

[smoky vale]

who cares just make it always make the noise

[bitter palm]

true

[smoky vale]

and not make a different sound with buffs

[abstract tulip]

do yall also struggle more to get into pugs than last week with your warrior

did some influencer say something not nice again

[fringe citrus]

I hit 20 resil and I havent got a single invite to 21s for 3 days XD

[dawn vector]

yo guys i been playing slayer fury for the past week but im stuck between 80-93 parses, how do you guys go about multitarget when its really a lot of targets? I lowkey just press rampage and whilrwind, i dont get if bloodthirst with the whirlwind buff is worth pressing or should i just press whirlwind

[dense elbow]

Parses are more decided by your team effort, than yourself at that point. You shouldnt expect to parse higher if your team isnt giving you a situation where you are able

On MT I just follow the standard prio rotation that I have for years at this point. WW stack, enrage ramp, max rage ramp, SD/exe, Ramp, bt, rb

There is a minor DPS gain if you WW over RB, that grows with targets

[dawn vector]

oh i see i see, thing is, bloodbath i press, cause of the 5x bleed

[shy knot]

If its mythic its all about raid dmg

For the most part

[dawn vector]

i just wanted to know how many target it takes for ww to be more damaging than rb

[shy knot]

HC you can get 99 in pugs even lol

[dense elbow]

use context clues

[honest trail]

With Meat Cleaver, they're even about 3, should be more dmg about 4. RB does give more rage tho but it's just easier to spam WW at 3+

So RB in single or duo targets

[smoky vale]

i havent gotten an invite to a single 21 in 3 weeks

[dense elbow]

I havent gotten an invite to a single 21 in 3 months

[smoky vale]

shut up

funky hop on honkai star rail

[dense elbow]

Not my kind of game, but I am glad you enjoy it

[smoky vale]

stayed up all night watching peak cinema

[dawn vector]

oh i see , i see , tysm fam

[dense elbow]

balance is perfect this tier confirmed?

[quartz plaza]

Hi what is the most efficient you think to play slayer or MT? I like slayer more but i dont know whats the most efficient

[peak plaza]

whatever ur better at

[earnest canyon]

was that a bm

[languid willow]

As a warrior I had to pug my own keys until I was5/8 21s and still get selective invites to pretty much only phys or friends list vouches

[unborn musk]

You can do some quick math:

• Look at the Raging blow tooltip
• Multiply it with (1 + targets * 0.65), to account for cleaves
• Look at the Whirlwind tooltip
• Multiply it with 1.5 (meat cleaver)
• Multiply it with X, where X is the target count and X <= 5
• if it adds to more than RB, you are good. If it's nearly the same, surely on 6 or 7 targets you WW beats RB

[dense elbow]

Yarp

[earnest canyon]

https://klipy.com/gifs/pout-kiss-4

Really tried to get into mage as my ranged but frost just sucks outside of the raid cleave fights, and fire and arcane just suck everywhere

[shy knot]

Mage is pruned into ranged ret

Super unfun

[earnest canyon]

Would be fine if it wasn't also fragile as fuck and doesn't due great damage. Shatter is kinda fun but it doesn't hit hard enough. My 10 ilevel lower demo lock does like 80k more dps without worrying about shitty shatter stacks

[dense elbow]

You forgot the value of pushing IWW for more higher prio casts to be freed up. Not having to spend a global on "dead" GCDs comparably. So while IWW might lose a stack value here and there, it allows for Ramps, SDs, Exes and BTs to go out faster and harder uninterrupted You must take the value question of that and deduct that from RB press vs WW that resets the stack

Time to turn quick math into hard math

then ignore all that and just press buttons

[unborn musk]

After doing the math, 4 targets seems to be it for my tooltips

[dense elbow]

I just press RB when my brain feel like it, or WW when it doesnt

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-happy-mkl-A0Zt7yuDULiy4ofmVD

No thought, just press

[zinc willow]

I use raging blow to repleat rage or as a filler if there is nothing to press

Other things should be prio

[bitter palm]

99 parsing mentality

[spring magnet]

Kinda confused boys. Consistently parsing in the 90’s on 18-19 M+ keys. But as far as raid goes I can’t get a parse above 60. As slayer fury the rotation prio doesn’t change for single target right?

[shy knot]

Mythic parses ?

If yes thats like half on your raid kill speed/tanking and pad dmg on adds

Cuz both fury and arms st are honestly terrible

[dense elbow]

^ Mythic parses are kinda a meme

[shy knot]

Look at Critcake parses

His whole raid gets 100/99s

You will not get this in average Joe raid group

[spring magnet]

Yea Mythic parses. I bought a hero raid just to do some testing. There was another fury that blew me out of the water on Rampage damage but we sent roughly the same amount of casts

My rough stats are
Mastery: 860
Haste: 1030
Crit: 580
Vers: 56

His were roughly the same

[shy knot]

Prolly cleaving it more

You can prolly get like 95-98 with perfect play and some good rng

[spring magnet]

But as far as rotation goes it’s the same priority as M+ build as I know there isn’t much variation to the tree

?

[shy knot]

Rotation on slayer doesnt change afaik

[spring magnet]

Sounds good. So it’s probably a timing and reps thing for raid

[burnt oxide]

raid parses are mostly around cd timing and proper padding

[spring magnet]

Thank you guys

I appreciate it

[pallid brook]

i can see what that one guy was talkin about when it comes to hunt vs warrior in keys

[pallid brook]

\

[shy knot]

If youre playing arms then also rng lol

[burnt oxide]

That applies to slayer aswell

[white nest]

Is that the key lvl % or overall %. You have to go in to the log itself to see the real % otherwise you're competing with people doing 2s.

In mythic raid you're only competing against people raiding mythic. The overall skill is higher.

You also need more mastery. Start building crit when you're already at 1000-1100ish.

[spring magnet]

Key lvl %

I always run with a mastery flask

So with that accounted for I’m sitting near 1050-1100

[short sand]

Guys, do you time cooldowns with trinkets procs?

[burnt oxide]

No

[heavy yacht]

guys what spec to you play for m+? i've been playing mountain thane because this is what guides recommend, and it's pretty good for sustained damage in aoe...but man my single target is ASS. is there a build that kind of has a compromise? I'm looking at what top fury players have and it's all slayer builds for M+ while guides recommend thane.

[humble pawn]

Have you tried slayer?

[heavy yacht]

only in tww, not recently

[humble pawn]

You should give it a go, and then choose whichever your heart desires

You'll get a lil more aoe damage with thane and a lil more st with slayer

I'm personally going slayer because bladestorm feel good

[heavy yacht]

yeah i do miss it

[dreamy laurel]

I’m pushing 15-16+ keys and I seem to be getting rekt all the time by mobs, just seems like survivability is way harder for us without being 1 shotted in the midst of a big pack. I tried positioning myself behind the mobs, following the tank but I think I’m getting hit my frontals?? Any suggestions on better survivability? I try to use spell reflect, switch defensive stance and use impending victory when I’m low

Just switched to fury slayer from thane as well. Not sure if fury slayer is squishier??

[burnt oxide]

Slayer is slightly squishier

But that difference rarely matters in + 16 imo

And there is not a single thing that can one shot you, which cannot be avoided

Missed kicks, standing in voidzones

[modest condor]

a fury warrior should never feel in danger in a 15-16 unless your healer is afk and nobody is kicking

[burnt oxide]

Exactly

[dreamy laurel]

It always feels like I’m low health so I’m stressing to survive

[burnt oxide]

There is like 2 or 3 voidzones that will hurt you, but thats your fault

[dreamy laurel]

Maybe I’m just bad then lol

I do pug everything where some pugs I don’t worry at all, but a lot of the time I’m stressing to survive

[humble pawn]

If you aren't logging already, you should, and then review after the key to see what really went wrong and where

[burnt oxide]

If your pugs not kicking properly, that can happen

Important things to survive:
Use spellreflect often if magic damage happens, does not matter if you can actually reflect something, they will always find a way to only interupt that cast.
Dstance if needed, but should try to limit it to situations you cannot do much damage either way, but should use it anyway if in danger
Spec into enraged regeneration

Missing a global for IV is also not the worst

[spring magnet]

Try to be proactive when mitigating damage with defensives instead of reactive. When you make that mental switch your healers with love you and you won’t feel squishy any more. We are plate wearers. It doesn’t get any better than this

[burnt oxide]

Reactive defensive usage is the worst usage

Because alot of timed it has 0 value and you now have it on cd

[burnt oxide]

Pretty much

https://tenor.com/view/quagsire-meme-steal-meme-steal-your-meme-gif-25636020

[humble pawn]

Exactly what my wife is always pointing out when we pug

[dreamy laurel]

Yeah I definitely try to pop CDs before the big bang. Prob in my part to time it better amongst the big pulls

appreciate the advice and feedback everyone 🫡

[fallow tapir]

Ahahaha I’m a rsham main and this is so good

[spring magnet]

I find that Murlok.io has a lot of very relevant information as far as builds and stats. It will give you the average stats and talents of the top 50 fury warriors for M+. As well as their hero talent build. Go check that out

[sour jungle]

are you guys playing thane or slayer in AA

[spring magnet]

Slayer

[sour jungle]

and do you prio in the first huge pull

[spring magnet]

Aside from the first pull slayers prio dam is more valuable in that key. IMO

[sour jungle]

what* do you*

[burnt oxide]

Big lasher

[sour jungle]

i know that what bttns

tho

[spring magnet]

Good tanks will mark one lasher so all dps can kill it quickly. In that case, slayer like any other prio heavy class becomes very valuable

[humble pawn]

smash, bash, whack, and kapow buttons

https://tenor.com/bH0LA.gif

[sour jungle]

insanely usefull

that was all the information I needed thank you

[burnt oxide]

The some multitarget prio as always, i prio ww a bit more than bt tho

[spring magnet]

In pulls past 7 adds or in general?

[heavy yacht]

yeah they are all slayer, but also all pushing very high keys. i reached 3.4 and don't plan on pushing for 20s+, so i don't know how representative that is...especially pugging

[dawn vector]

same but bloodbath is always worth no?

[burnt oxide]

Yup

[lilac plinth]

Man i got deleted by gurdain druid on pit 19

[spring magnet]

Overall???

[sly merlin]

19 sr last night as thane not bad

[olive wraith]

Don’t think ww is bigger than bt ever

[distant knot]

question: is it better to have a ascended myth track gear weapon thats not BIS on my mainhand or have my BIS ascended Hero track weapon on my mainhand?

[keen kindle]

Myth

Weapon damage matters infinitely more

But also just bonus roll pit

oh wait this fury fuck nevermind

terracee

[distant knot]

yeah ive been trying to snipe the hammer or cleaver

[keen kindle]

Watcha got?

[distant knot]

they both are good for me, the MT cleaver is better obvi

I have my crafted offhand and some shitter 2h i got from vault

[keen kindle]

Yeah that's fine

[distant knot]

its decent for now until I get my BIS

[keen kindle]

I'd worry about other slots

your weapons are juiced

[distant knot]

Bet

[sage python]

what was boss dam like

[thorn hearth]

idk that 2 hander simmed better for me tah the listed BiS idk why tho it was like 1.8% higher

and i simmed it against an also maxed mt weapon

both myth

[sly merlin]

i topped on every boss

88k pure st

[spring magnet]

🔥🔥🔥

[gentle badge]

20 MT gotta get slayer keys in before its too late

[olive wraith]

Too late for what

[keen kindle]

evreyone is dooming about slayer cuz colo and thane got buffed

[olive wraith]

[keen kindle]

yup

[olive wraith]

As if arms isn’t already ahead regardless

[gentle badge]

arms is ahead with coordinated groups yeah

pressing CS and tank pulls 8 more mobs after standing still for 10 seconds no thanks

[solemn trench]

The current difference between Slayer and MT is minimal; that 30% MT boost will be enough for the final change.

[gentle badge]

im memeing but slayer on high roll procs is fun to play

[red berry]

people are still def being dramatic about a 3.5% buff either way

[young swan]

i wonder if its possible to achieve a level of rng where it feels sick to highroll while simultaneously making the average not feel bad by comparison

i feel like 11.3 was pretty close to that

for both hero specs

[strong monolith]

Guys is thane getting nerfed

[olive wraith]

Slarms doesn’t need coordination afaik

Colo sure. So you’re not inting in st

[gentle badge]

yeah it still does, it still benefits from funnel and CS being an aoe around 1 target and cleave being a cone in front of you, its small but its more than fury where everything is 360 around the player on fury

[olive wraith]

Cs being an aoe around a target is a bit of a stretch if you ask me

Like that being a reason for coordination

But still, slurry is still gonna have more prio than thane

[languid willow]

I’m sure you can still play slayer fury in keys if you want to even with the thane buffs, I’ll probably slam slayer in keys such as AA, SR, MC, basically any key with 4 bosses

[dawn vector]

isnt thane gonna absolutely fuck slayer in the ass in terms of aoe damage after next patch?

[olive wraith]

It’s like +4% aoe

If you consider that as fuck slayer in the ass then sure

[dawn vector]

but isnt slayer already weaker in aoe?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[dawn vector]

or rather less consistent

[olive wraith]

People play slayer cause they like it better or they want better boss damage

I think slayer still has higher st so the reason you pick it remains the same

[dawn vector]

lowk i play slayer cause its more fun

but i already know its behind thane

[olive wraith]

Only for aoe

[dawn vector]

if they make the gap bigger tho

[olive wraith]

Which isn’t the whole picture for keys

[dawn vector]

is it even worth going for slayer?

[lilac plinth]

Nah on the 1st pull

[olive wraith]

That’s up for you to decide

Thane buff isn’t putting it miles ahead

[dawn vector]

oh thats fs

ppl in high keys still parsing 100 as slayer

so in my case its just that im bad and not because of thane being better

[olive wraith]

Key parsing is fake imo

[odd granite]

miles ahead in st?

sorry*

how far ahead is not miles ahead

lol

saw the % changes to thane but not comparison to slayer

if anyone had

[olive wraith]

Slayer was unchanged

So

[languid willow]

Idk I like playing both but slayer definitely feels smoother at times

[odd granite]

Yer IK, wondered if anyone did a side by side sim with the changes already

[languid willow]

But I’ll still play both

[olive wraith]

Scroll up to the .5 buffs

And then add 4% aoe to thane

[dawn vector]

also i wanted to ask, is it normal that in low keys or in pulls that tend to last little time i dont do that much, but in the long run i tend to be higher than everyone else?

or am i just opening wrong on pulls?

[modest condor]

that's normal

[olive wraith]

We don’t have good burst

[spring magnet]

TWW S3 is the best Fury has felt in a long long time

[young swan]

it got boring for me pretty fast just cause any rotation where 1 button totally dominates it is pretty boring to me

but it terms of variance it was quite comfy

I dont think they'll ever make fury as fun as it was during tww beta after they got everything working properly

[smoky vale]

i miss unhinged cleave

[hardy cargo]

outlaw rn

idk the whole context of this comment but

[keen kindle]

LAUGHS IN PURPLE

Look I support it and like outlaw, but holy fuck having a bad roll streak till next AR feels absoutlely awful

Imagine needing an RNG buff to function

[spring magnet]

To build on @olive wraith point. Even if Thane does create a bigger gap in AOE dam slayer will still probably be played. Take the first pull of AA for example. For personal parses yea thane might be better. But for prioing down a lasher so your tank doesn’t flop in a 20 is more important IMO.

[fading sky]

Facts

In a 17 its important

As tanks are often equally as bad🤣

[olive wraith]

Not to mention AA doesn’t have much opportunity to cleave adds on the bosses

[spring magnet]

Prio target classes aren’t flashy but arguably more important than big AOE classes. But then again. We don’t play Warrior because we want to be flashy

We just get shit done. Zug Zug

[olive wraith]

Well you do need both types tbf

It’s just usually the meta can do both

[spring magnet]

Of course. But nothing kills keys more than boss fights

[olive wraith]

Us mortals usually have some niche

[fading sky]

Not rly

[olive wraith]

Idk AA is a good example of first pull fails

[grand vale]

it's just weird that we fight a battle with each other over who is cooler, the guy with the big weapon, or the guy with two weapons

[fading sky]

Meta can do mass and st yes.

[spring magnet]

That’s an exception

Not every key is like that

[fading sky]

I mean arms is 100% better

Doesnt mean u gotta play it

[spring magnet]

I’ve always wanted to learn Arms but idk every time I try it just feels so clunky

[fading sky]

It will vs fury

It is clunky

[grand vale]

well the world is not about keys alone, and idk how good arms is in raids now vs fury

[olive wraith]

It’s supposedly borderline unplayable without a shammy

My world is keys only

[spring magnet]

How come?

[spring magnet]

Type

[olive wraith]

Rage starvation

Skyfury helps a lot with rage

[fading sky]

Arms better

[grand vale]

like old days

[spring magnet]

What does that have to do with Mastery buff though?

[olive wraith]

Not mastery

The auto attack part

[grand vale]

the chance to hit twice

[spring magnet]

Ohhhh

You’re right

[grand vale]

every 5th hit

it's 20% isn't it?

[olive wraith]

Idek

[spring magnet]

Damn I’ve never even thought about that

[grand vale]

Dude you missed out on the fun of being in a group with a wf totem

in a bc raid

[spring magnet]

I started playing in DF S4 so probably

[grand vale]

Every melee wanted to be in that group

especially arms

but arms was pvp spec then iirc

still the chance to hit multiple times instead of one was great

windfury totem had you proc a triple hit i think

[spring magnet]

I just remember arms being broken for HOA so the add before last boss couldn’t heal

[spring magnet]

That’s wild

[grand vale]

in arena it was especially wild

arms warrior and enhancer shaman would just delete people

[spring magnet]

They need to incentivize PVP more. And tie the rewards into PVE so it can become more relevant

If I could get PvP myth vault slots instead of world slots id definitely get into it

[grand vale]

idk man, the biggest advantage pvp has, it keeps the pvp guys out of your pve group

[fading sky]

Yup

[spring magnet]

What’s wrong w the PvP guys?

[grand vale]

toxic af

a lot at least

[spring magnet]

I’ll wipe my ass with a toxic mf

[grand vale]

well you might but not every raid lead wants to deal with their shit after a hard day's work

[spring magnet]

That’s fair but acountability is a whole separate conversation

[grand vale]

true

[spring magnet]

I do think it would give PvP a lot more life

And the mog sets for PvP are ALWAYS the nicest

[grand vale]

it might for sure

man i ran into bgs to gear at the start of s1

we had the quest where you would get that very nice heroic mastery/haste neck for running bgs

just this season

[spring magnet]

That’s right

[grand vale]

i did bgs vs AI, but it was fun still

i liked bgs, i just don't like to be steamrolled

and that happens a lot in pvp

[spring magnet]

Dude you know what I reeeeeeeally wanna see

Amani trolls as an allied race

[olive wraith]

Also PvP people might not care about learning fights and stuff

If it’s just a step to gearing

[keen kindle]

Some people dont enjoy pvp

Just as some don't enjoy pve

Forcing those two groups to meet has historically never gone well

[wicked wind]

Can someone please send me the link to this weeks changes?

Or is there no change at all?

[icy whale]

https://discordapp.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[jolly wind]

is solarflame a good sub for heart?

[icy whale]

yes

[jolly wind]

cuz rn i have a 289 solarflame, would a heroic track heart be better tho?

i dont do mythic raiding so id be stuck with that

[icy whale]

i think hc heart with upgrade would be better

but you can just sim it

[jolly wind]

ok but if i upgrade solarflame it would be 298

heart would be 285

if i got it

[trim umbra]

285 heart sims higher for me than 298 solarflamw

[jolly wind]

i dont have heart but thinkign about trying to get it

[icy whale]

just sim it

[jolly wind]

ok cant be much better tho

hopefully

[icy whale]

there is no yes no answer, it depends on your gear

[thorn hearth]

if rampaging ruin is simming higher for me should i use it? cause i dont see any other warrior using it and it only results in a slight lowering in ST but a pretty marginal difference in multi tar

[storm rune]

Is that cleave?

[thorn hearth]

yeah

makes rampage do a wave atack

[storm rune]

Because fuck cleave, I don't play fury to have to aim shit

[olive wraith]

We know what RR is lol

[storm rune]

Well technically I did ask 😅

[summer quail]

no. it literally removes all prio damage

[olive wraith]

Kinda defeats the purpose of slayer

But if you want more aoe and to aim a cone go ahead

[thorn hearth]

ok cool

[covert coyote]

you'll need to make a macro to cancel the WW buff on ST in the case you have to WW as a filler gcd

[thorn hearth]

and that would bring backa little of the prio damage?

[olive wraith]

If you canceled iww aura

Rr doesn’t replace ramp

Rr is only active if you have iww buff

[merry scaffold]

I swear Im never gonna parse on this boss. Dream Rift really shouldnt be this hard for for "CE" groups, but its wipe after wipe

[storm rune]

Pugging?

[thorn hearth]

you that pumpchange dude is in my myth group rn😭

[merry scaffold]

Nah Im the Geoclanker

and yes sadly pugging

[smoky vale]

i remembering pugging week 1

@sullen dove babyblu and i vs the world

[sullen dove]

I remember you bringing it up literally every single day possible since it happened 8 weeks ago

[sullen dove]

“The geoclanker”

aura

[tulip mirage]

can warrior leap to the platform in skyreach on last boss?

[languid willow]

I’ve tried and I’ve never been able to do it

[junior oyster]

the windy one?

[stiff maple]

Are you talking about the last boss?

Oh

You said that

You cannot leap to last boss if you get carried off. You can leap past all the tornados after 3rd boss

[tulip mirage]

Ye what i thought was just told some1 has seen warriors do it

so just needed to make sure

[stiff maple]

Maybe theres some tech im behind on but I havent seen a warrior do it

[spring needle]

I see some tier lists placing fury in the same tier as arms. Is this just because physical comp is amazing? Because everywhere I look says arms gaps fury in dps

[radiant plank]

vagueposting

[past pivot]

Tier lists are the key words that you should be very skeptical about

[spring needle]

I know, I’m really not a tier list kind of person but I’m new to warrior and have tried both specs and like them. Figured I’d just play what’s considered better at that point

[past pivot]

They are close enough for spec and build to play what you enjoy the most

[olive wraith]

Arms is def ahead atm

Though I hear complaints of it being clunky

Or rage starved at times

[merry scaffold]

I'm an Earthern so the name just kinda felt right

[spare flame]

arms feels hella rage starved in execute phase in my experience

while fury feels amazing

[gentle badge]

go watch a comp that plays around it arms warrior then watch it not care about the arms warrior

[bitter palm]

idk what clunky even means atp

[bitter palm]

what

[bitter palm]

cause tierlists are bad

[gentle badge]

whats the confusion?

[bitter palm]

i dont understand ur sentence

arms gaps everyone in phys comp

[gentle badge]

incorrect

[bitter palm]

arms is the reason phys comp is viable

[gentle badge]

battle shout yes

[bitter palm]

xdddd

22 seat

"incorrect"

[gentle badge]

cool so we're cherry picking?

[bitter palm]

😭

[gentle badge]

lets look at one of the literal best arms in the worl

how about look at an lfg team

and then see who performs better on average fury or arms

[steady swan]

Could I have someone review a log for me tell me why I suck? haha

[bitter palm]

that has 0 correlation with what u said

[gentle badge]

arms has way higher potential yes, but if someone has to ask fury or arms, they should just default to fury

its literally what i said

[bitter palm]

phys comp is played around arms

phys comp is played because of arms

[gentle badge]

ok youre not understanding np

just because you play the comp

doesnt mean people do it

[bitter palm]

??????

[gentle badge]

are you eu or na?

19-20s na lfg doesnt care

[bitter palm]

yeah obviously but thats not the point

[gentle badge]

lmfao

yes it is

thats the point im making

[bitter palm]

u never mentioned pugs in ur original statement

[gentle badge]

comp plays around arms comp doesnt play around arms

i didnt say lfg

but if youre not playing around arms

its the same as lfg

[bitter palm]

ohh

yeah mb

a lot of doomers here so i assumed u were dooming too

[gentle badge]

no im a fan of arms

im not a fan of playing arms in lfg and i ask for funnel and they say "we cant get funnel here"

[bitter palm]

yeah

generally need premade for m+

for pushing that is

[gentle badge]

yeah, thats why i default to fury for lfg spamming lol

[bitter palm]

a lot of people been saying the only reason u bring warrior is battle shout so i got kinda tilted ngl

[gentle badge]

no no lol

i dont agree with tha

that*

[bitter palm]

when the reality is u bring everyone else to buff arms xd

[gentle badge]

warriors are currently owning, especially arms

[bitter palm]

all 4 are good

i dont remember the last time all4 dps warriors were playable

[dense elbow]

No idea what you lads are discussing, I just want to input:
||Arms bad, go back to #arms arms troll, boo!||

[gentle badge]

🤣

we mentioned fury

at least once or something

[bitter palm]

we will convert you one day...

[dense elbow]

So they all say, before they convert to my world view. Flat is boring, burst is justice! Odyn's Fury 51% buff when?!

[bitter palm]

bro lowkey

can they just give us

i forgot the name

ramp casts ww

during reck

the n1 thing i dislike about fury is having to press ww

[gentle badge]

what about SL fury warrior when you pressed reck and you either got reck or bladestorm at less effectiveness, if you get bs then you play conduit mass execution or w/e its called for next 5 seconds your WW is insanely buffed and it was spam WW in aoe until enraged was falling off then you rampage back to spamming WW

hows that for not liking WW

in df there was a talent where OF casted WW which was kind of nice to save 1 global pressing a mini cd

[bitter palm]

crazy

they added the auto enrage

but not the auto ww part

[gentle badge]

kinda weird with philosophy of midnight having less buttons to press

would have been perfect

[modest condor]

it's a cool effect but also like

remove the one difference between our st and our aoe rotation

oh wait i was responding to cone, not the OF thing

[bitter palm]

yeah but its only during reck

ww "halts" the rotation

[gentle badge]

tbh i just want funnel somehow lol for either arms or fury thats not as reliant on tank (for arms) like what if we got something for rend being consumed by pressing "x button" on a ST and that mob takes the remaining damage of rend or something

[icy whale]

its so hard to get into high keys as fury...

[gentle badge]

bait and switch those morons

apply arms > swap fury at 5 seconds on countdown

its on them to kick you or not after key goes in lol

[bitter palm]

funnel will always be tank reliant

[gentle badge]

yes and no, i feel like paladin has it relatively easy atm

well now more i think about it

[modest condor]

you cant funnel if there are no extra mobs

[gentle badge]

i guess yeah it kinda is

[bitter palm]

ye but ret funnels nowhere near arms

[modest condor]

it's up to the tank to bring extra mobs onto the boss

[bitter palm]

wowzers 2 mil es

thats like 4 cleaves

[gentle badge]

ok to save myself, at least ret can pull for the tank then bubble the aggro lol

[olive wraith]

Wouldn’t ramp reaps technically be funnel

[modest condor]

if it didnt require pressing whirlwind yes

[bitter palm]

if ure casting ww at 0 loss yeah

[modest condor]

we're actually neutral on prio damage between st and aoe

because of the reap procs

[olive wraith]

Ww is a gain over rb at 4 targets right?

So all we need is 4t

[modest condor]

i mean it's a gain on 4 targets, not on your prio target

doing more damage to the other 3 mobs isnt funnel

[olive wraith]

Ah fair

[gentle badge]

honest question, why does arms sim lower than fury? but in practice arms has higher potential? is it because sims may not account for funnel if we sim lets 3 targets

at least for me arms sims lower than fury

[bitter palm]

arms beats fury by a lot on prio dmg

on sims

m+ is impossible to sim

properly

[gentle badge]

like my 1 boss sim 4 mins slarms is about 71k, colo about 61k, MT fury about 73k and slfury about 81k

[bitter palm]

arms is a lot burstier

[gentle badge]

only using b shout as buff

[lilac osprey]

packs only die as fast as the highest hp target so having high prio damage is very important

[bitter palm]

yeah i mean ure simming without skyfury

[gentle badge]

yeah figured its because in m+ you cant really sim

[bitter palm]

as arms ure just losing 10% dps

on aoe and st

as colo no skyfury is like 12% loss on st

[gentle badge]

im gonna try simming with SF for all 4 again

[keen kindle]

All my homies remeber windfury

[bitter palm]

joining a raid pug

and praying to god it has an enha shaman

then begging the leader to put u into the group

[brazen island]

im seeing lots of top m+ fury players playing slayer. do the buffs make thane better in high keys? or is the burst you get from slayer still better

[gentle badge]

ok i just ran 1 boss 4 mins and 10 bosses 1.5 mins to simulate mass aoe in m+ and pure ST here are my results with bshout and SF: SLfury aoe = 379k st = 85k MTfury aoe = 424k st = 80k SLarms aoe = 332k st = 76k Coloarms aoe = 399k st = 63k

[summer quail]

do you guys get 2 cd sets in 1 egg on belo?

[cloud viper]

Not unless good proc

[fickle stirrup]

Are you doomed to a meh parse on Myth Imperator if others are nuking the adds? lol

[cloud viper]

hm, i feel like it's you that nuke the adds as a warrior atm, you just go all in slayer

you just keep the bs for a bit but it ended up being guuud for the adds anw

[fickle stirrup]

Feel like by the time the adds got semi grouped up for me to BS they are almost dead

[gentle badge]

bs has big range

[worn yoke]

Potentially yes, but not entirely. they are very close at the moment, with thane better at large scale sustained AOE, but slayer better at single target, while both having very similar 3-6 target damage. The Tblast buffs arent really that big, they will probably leave slayer with better ST, but move Thane up in the medium pull count, while staying ahead in the large pull count.

[gentle badge]

you can use it before they grouped

[fickle stirrup]

I'll run it back next week then!

did 75 parse so eh

[gentle badge]

yeah test it on dummies, bs range is longer than your standard melee range

[cloud viper]

you dont wait for them to be all packed, i usually just full send it whern there are like 3-4 , the others just get in the bs as it goes on

[worn yoke]

yes. max parses are tough to get in this raid unless you have ethical dps (hot tip, they dont exist)

[fickle stirrup]

Rough 😔

[worn yoke]

even getting 1 buffed up bladestorm off or a few tblasts in CDs on many adds isnt enough because the adds are already dead by the end of it and fury's profile has good AOE sustain but relatively weak burst compared to many (im looking at you, DDH)

[fickle stirrup]

Ill try to BS a little sooner next week then!
Do we pot on pull or first add?

[cloud viper]

i mean

that is from like, this week i think?

for the first add set

i always pot on pull cuz there is the bl tho

[fickle stirrup]

How do you use your CDs on adds? Reck > BS > Odyns?

[worn yoke]

where do you get friends like that? the ones that focus boss damage 🤣

[cloud viper]

eh, more like Reck - charge - rampage - bs - odyns

just to get that extra % dmg with the stack from rampage for the bs

[fickle stirrup]

Ty for the knowledge!

[cloud viper]

now tho i'm not sure if odyn - bs is better than bs - odyn , but it just feels smoother to me, has it tend to have a bit of delay before the bs going off after using odyn with the gcd

[sour pollen]

is slayer better in high keys now or no

[fickle stirrup]

I tend to leave Odyns last just cause it feels like it does nothing in AoE compared to BS

[cloud viper]

would say it all depend on if you're doing pug or group with vocals to prepare pulls ahead and so having the opportunity to set up

[olive wraith]

Isn’t rek>charge kinda troll now

[cloud viper]

is it tho? dont think the 0.5s that the charge takes you really means anything that much

[olive wraith]

Why would you need to rek before charge though

[cloud viper]

doesn't it double your rage intake ? or has it change ? not sure if just charing then rek does cap you ragewise making it so that with the autos waving in you can pretty much triple rampage instantly

[olive wraith]

+50% rage

Also reduces rage cost

Of ramp

So you don’t really need to do that

[cloud viper]

well there a big diff between being a 100 rage or 130 tho

sure you can only cast 2 rampages, but as said the autos weaving during the 2 rampages makes it you have a third one right after

[olive wraith]

You’ll have rage cap after bs

[cloud viper]

sure, but before if you can get a bit more stack to incrase your dmg i do try to maximise them,

[olive wraith]

You’re not casting 3 ramp before bs

[cloud viper]

you're absolutly able to cast at the very least 2 and def can squeeze a third one

[olive wraith]

Why would you though lol

You’re missing of and bs cooldown

[sharp valve]

In what type of state will slayer fury be after reset? I mean i play only slayer fury, got 19 resi with it, not sure how „big“ of a difference thane will be, thane just feels so bad to play imo

[olive wraith]

Then keep playing slayer

[sharp valve]

I love st/prio from slayer tbh

[fickle stirrup]

Even then it doesn't have much more than Thane right?

[sharp valve]

Thane just feels super slow compared imo

[olive wraith]

Howso

[sour pollen]

is 2x eyes of eagle on rings best ?

[olive wraith]

Sim it

[sour pollen]

ye it is

tried to find to regem entire gear but its difficult

together with enchant

need to do seperate ig

[spare flame]

how to properly play skyreach's first boss? when he targets you with that shit that knocks you back

im feeling like im gambling that shit

[grand vale]

isn't that just step to the side?

[dawn vector]

no u cant

[dawn vector]

i just heroic leap towards the gate so the wind puddle isnt in the middle

back towrds the wall

and ur good

[spare flame]

what if your tank is there

most my tanks are there in 18s

it feels so sketchy whe the tornadoes are up and you get it

[dawn vector]

just hl opposite gate ig

[grand vale]

oh this is the fury channel sry

[spare flame]

one shot if you mess up

[clever berry]

Does anyone got suggestions for Fury Rotations?

Can't seem to understand what to prioritize..

[olive wraith]

Have you read through wowhead

[languid willow]

Idk if the wowhead is updated but prioritize execute over bt in slayer now other than that the wowhead guide will tell you everything you need to know

Wowhead guide is updated just read that and hit dummies for 40 minutes

[clever berry]

Many thanks. Will need to practice many hours to figure this damn thing out.

[languid willow]

The best practice is just to fuck it up a million times until its natural

[lilac plinth]

Just pray he dont pick u as i did

[grand vale]

as wowhead is dying and archim is maintaining icy veins and wowhead at the same time i'll just stick to iv now

[warm crag]

what are you talking abt

[grand vale]

Massive layoffs at wowhead including some pretty important people

i read that somewhere today

[warm crag]

ic

[grand vale]

and those people are moving away to other sites, like iv for example

For prot warriors wowhead was discontinued for a while now already

[winter shoal]

"I read that somewhere" is quite the citation

[grand vale]

Hell yeah

let me look it up

[warm crag]

better than the average response i get when i ask people for sources here directly

[winter shoal]

me when chadgpt tells me fury warrior needs to stack crit and prio RB

funny matrix said so

[grand vale]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wowheads-basically-done/2309563/45

[winter shoal]

misinformation machine go br

[grand vale]

This

[warm crag]

i cant remember what i ragebaited myself into

#fury message

found it

[grand vale]

There's not really a reason to keep going to wowhead now with archim maintaining the iv guide and mwahi doing the iv prot guide

[warm crag]

idk ive not looked at the new icyveins design but id rather go to the dogshit slop bloat ragebait article printer website than one that uses ai articles

[grand vale]

yeah well i don't read the other articles, and i hope the guides aren't written by ai

[warm crag]

still affects who the ad money goes to

either way we're both not the target audience anyways

[hexed cedar]

Does anyone know where I can find current information on how to play slayer fury warrior in m+? All the highest are playing slayer on murlok.io but I can't find any content on it at all? Thanks

[olive wraith]

Wowhead

[winter shoal]

also keep in mind that thane is being buffed slightly on reset and slayer is not

[clever berry]

I'm at average 65k DpS doing my opener and rotation. I feel like that's too low....

[dawn vector]

single target slayer?

[clever berry]

Yeah. ilvl 272

[dawn vector]

did u sim your character?

[dawn vector]

thats good then

in sims i got 73k and i have 288

[hardy cargo]

uh as an opener? with like lust and everything

[clever berry]

without lust

Just standard opener

[dawn vector]

but wait

how long

[clever berry]

3-4ms

[dawn vector]

thats good then

go sim ur char

raidbots.com

do quick sim 1 target training dummy 3 mins

thats what i usually do

[clever berry]

Yeah, Sims run just about the same things.

64K

[sullen dove]

[lapis halo]

I swear there was a discussion about using double 298 weapons and moving the weapon embellishment somewhere. Is this still a thing or did I misread this?

[sullen dove]

It might be neutral or like 50 dps better at best can try to sim and make it work out but it’d prolly have to be 2 pretty good statted weapons

hunt embell doesn’t scale with Ilvl and arcanoweave does so even if it’s basically irrelevant now it might be more true in future seasons

[earnest canyon]

Hmmm....how? You mean the higher iLevel its put on right? Whereas hunt is flat?

[lapis halo]

I'll sim. Weapons are Liferippers Cutlass and Algeth'ar Hedgecleaver (both at 298), vs crafted OH.

[modest condor]

wait, arcanoweave scales with ilvl? i thought none of the embels did

[sullen dove]

myesh

[modest condor]

damn

[earnest canyon]

why cant i put arcanoweave on my weapons then

[modest condor]

because blizzard hates you

[lapis halo]

If that's the case, sounds like crafted bracers/crafted cloak would be BiS and drop Hunt from weapon and grab 2x 298 weapons.

[summer quail]

you sure? that sounds weird

[lapis halo]

Quick sim shows the crafted weapon is -slightly- ahead.

[rich void]

whats the gap between slayer and thane in keys rn?

[near pasture]

Also want to know answer above but fury vs arms in keys

[rich void]

arms is superior if you have a shaman

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight scroll up to the .5 update

Then add 4% to thane aoe

[rain sierra]

when do you stop using thuiderclap? after avatar ends or when less than 8 targets or when?

my overall on logs seems so low compared to high io wars

for thunder clap

[spare flame]

you mean during cds or outside cds, also in single target or aoe

[rain sierra]

no in aoe? when do i stop spaming ramapage thunder clap? i thought thats what you do if 8+ targets

whats the rotation for cd pull big pack, and then whats its with cds on a 5 pack

[spare flame]

yeah you weave in thunderclap every other gcd during avatar and in 5-6+ targets(?)

[rain sierra]

so not necissarily spamming rampage, weave in bloodbath?

bwtween thunderclap

[spare flame]

rampage tc rampage tc rampage tc

if low rage, bloodbath instead

idk if that changes tomorrow with the thunder blast dmg buff

we'll see

[rain sierra]

so once avatar on cd, go back to normal thunder clap, 4 ST abilities htne thunder clap

[spare flame]

correct

also im pretty sure thunder clap>raging blow

[rain sierra]

what about bloodbath procs/bloodthirst procs? do that take prio over rempage?

[spare flame]

even in low targets

[rain sierra]

okay

puhsing 19s so i gotta find what im doing wrong

[spare flame]

thane is getting stronger tomorrow (NA) or wednesday for EU

so there is that

[knotty crag]

Do y'all always take mastery buff in AA?

[olive wraith]

I do

[rain sierra]

assume stat dpendant

[olive wraith]

Haste is also probably fine

[candid falcon]

i take haste but idk if thats the best one to take

[spare flame]

i usually get vers cause i got plenty of mastery

[olive wraith]

Vers is a solid argument as you get bigger keys

[candid falcon]

vers is probably a smart move

[spare flame]

crit if im feeling spicy

[silk wharf]

The answer is probably versatility, nearly universally. Since the buff is a percent and not rating, the versatility is worth more effective rating (which is usually what makes vers not as good as other stats).

[summer quail]

^

[silk wharf]

And you also get some tagged on dr.

[summer quail]

No reason to take mastery. It's just worse vers

[vague copper]

Is there a list witch dungeon favor slayer over mt or is it just to dig down on WCL?

[crystal prism]

Hey guys, I desperatly need some good advice on what to play 😅
Fury or Arms for keys, mostly 10-12? We want to go furter on 14s in a physical comb. Slayer fury seems great on Noxivs vids. Colossus is hard for me. Slayer Arms seems fun.
What is the best spec to go?

[marble pilot]

10-12 just play what you prefer or are better at

[olive wraith]

Ye anything is good up till like 18-19 then you may wanna revisit

[olive wraith]

They’re kinda equal so it’s mostly preference

[covert coyote]

yeah preference. I tend to run slayer for anything below a 15 since mobs die too fast for MT to be good. only dungeon I specifically thing I like slayer > MT is AA

[crystal prism]

Thx 🤙 gonna stay Slayer 🫡

[lapis rose]

Guys should I change spell q from default? I feel like not smooth on slayer now

[spare flame]

idk you can check what it is currently at and then mess with it, you can always set it back to what it was

[lapis rose]

how i can check? i never take it and if i remember default now its 450

[spare flame]

/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")

[red flax]

default is 400

[lapis rose]

some guy told me 400+ itf for casters mostly and on melee 250-300 better

[red flax]

my personal opinion: no, 98% of people should leave it at 400

and more than 400 isnt possible

[lethal drum]

Does this help with times when you have very high haste during Bloodlust or something?

[earnest canyon]

400 means you need to be pressing an ability more than 2.5 times a second to "mess up" the queue. 200 means you are pressing a key 5 times a second. Id never go below 300, even on fury or outlaw.

[timid tide]

Looking at logs, CPM are casts per minute, right?
On mythic dream I had the second highest

[burnt oxide]

Normal for fury to have high cpm

[sour jungle]

what are you rocking in AA slayer or thane?

[hushed ocean]

slayer

[peak plaza]

both, depends on vibe

[dense elbow]

Slayer, bosses got so much HP

[timid tide]

Yeah I know. I honestly can't play alts 😆 can't be bothered to learn new rotation and class and most of them are too slow for my liking

[dusky cipher]

What sort of single target DPS are you guys managing with Slayer/Thane

[sand sand]

is thane better now for atleast m+ or whats up

[undone flower]

CPM ≠ APM

But I think it doesn’t change for fury, I know ret has their auto attacks counted as casts

(They are not an action)

[fossil orbit]

Ever played Track & Field on NES? We who grew up with NES knows 5 times a second is waay too slooow 😂

[earnest canyon]

Yup, but first in the arcade. I used to use a sock, wrap it around my knuckles, then drag it very fast over the a and b buttons

[fossil orbit]

Me too 😂

[dim spindle]

BT/BB >TC, TB>BT/BB during CDs

Under 6 targets

Just to be totally clear to anyone reading (I think that's what you were getting at)

[sullen dove]

@dapper goblet good clip

[timid tide]

Oh interesting, because Ret is actually number 1 on the log

[undone flower]

You can just substract their melees idk the name to have more closer idea

[timid tide]

I know fury is quite busy with all the button mashing, just wasn't aware it was THAT much more compared to some of the other classes.

[undone flower]

Last time I simmed my char I was at 69-70

Yes prot war mog everyone

[quasi fractal]

Half the kit off the gcd

[timid tide]

67.4 CPM , Ret did 76.4

[undone flower]

You need to substract their melees

[frigid sinew]

Carpeltunnel life as prot warr

[quasi fractal]

I just noob it up in 10s at max and macro half my buttons together

[undone flower]

Crusading strikes ? Is that the name ?

[quasi fractal]

Wouldnt fly in high keys but 10s are snooze enough to get by with a shield block macro