fury

[tight flax]

[spare flame]

is your pc your enemy?

[willow heath]

took my guild 100+ tries but here i am

[tight flax]

Depends on the windows update currently live

[unborn musk]

My sims started to say that I have too much haste and I should recrart some gear so crit/mastery and change my sockets to crit/mastery

[honest trail]

Hello there,

Any idea how I could use the Advanced sim to test different openers?

In different situations

[floral bay]

Is it true we're spamming WW in keys? Enrage/Ramp>SD>WW spam on multitarget??

[honest trail]

Yes

As Slayer

[floral bay]

yea

holy thats crazy lame

[honest trail]

BB/BT

Over WW

But WW at 3+ targets

[floral bay]

thank you mate

i assume this means going meat cleaver in every key?

[honest trail]

Of course

[undone flower]

Even if bt>WW it creates the ww spam

[forest vortex]

random question. any1 know why I can't see the chat bar where you can type a message on twitch? its the same for every channel

and I have no currently bans active

[lucid minnow]

If you have the 7tv extension, reinstall it. A new release bugged that

[forest vortex]

yea just figured it out earlier. thx tho

[summer zephyr]

so i was asked like twice in seat if i have a mammoth mount to skip two big guys before 3rd boss, but when i try to leap with someone in the other mammoth seat i just get dismounted and passager stays where he was. Can someone explain to me what the hell do people expect me to do?

[radiant plank]

Evoker rescues you

[summer zephyr]

yea i know that, but there was no evoker in the group

thats why i was confused

they wanted me to do the skip

[radiant plank]

you didnt bother to ask them

for what they expected you to do

[summer zephyr]

i did

[radiant plank]

after mounting up

[summer zephyr]

but they didnt explain shit tbh

[radiant plank]

their loss

[weak condor]

does relentless pursuit work on roots?

[wise osprey]

so we are not following the wowhead slurry aoe rotation?

which puts BB ahead of WW

[sullen dove]

Think that’s right it’s just ww above rb on aoe apparently

[dreamy saffron]

I’m sorry this might have been asked 200 times daily but, I’m back to the game after a break, and it seems like slayer fury it’s the prefer on mythic +, is there a guide to catch up, or just follow a simple prio rotation on AOE, cuz on the dummies everything lights up and I’m confused on what takes prio on high count mobs, thank you in advance

[floral bay]

i think it said 4+ targets WW overtakes it

[clever belfry]

@gleaming siren @compact siren hosen

[burnt oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-pants-gif-10116597396091647013

[gleaming siren]

unequipped

[compact siren]

Sadly equipped

[clever belfry]

luckily u mean

[compact siren]

Life would be better if hosen wasn’t mandatory at work

[clever belfry]

oh i read unequipped

my bad !

[compact siren]

It is your bad!

I was worried you were on team equipped for a moment

[smoky vale]

@gleaming siren @clever belfry hi guys :3

[dusky cipher]

I'm not convinced by Fury slayer over Thane for mythics. I find Thane to be significantly better damage overall - unless I'm doing something very wrong? Any god tier fury warriors have any input?

[modest condor]

their overall should be very similar even in big pull dungeons, you'll do less uncapped aoe during cooldowns but you make up for that in basically everything else

[charred flint]

I just dislike the Slayer where you dont press RB a lot

[balmy shore]

guys warrior feels so bad on cosmos

[charred flint]

So im opting for Thane

even tho im not the biggest fan of thane either

[charred flint]

That fight is a mess imo

[modest condor]

that's what you get for playing dk on prog

[balmy shore]

yeah my mind's been WARPED you can just be in ranged as unh and the horse makes you zoom

meanwhile warrior is fighting for their LIVES

and then you also do z damage !!!!!!

tbh i think it's fine on all of the other bosses it's just cosmos where i'm like hm

[charred flint]

yeah cosmos fight is super weird for melee

Im hating every second of it

Thank god got to 15% yesterday so i should kill next raid day

[balmy shore]

yeah it's not v fun as melee but even moreso for the specs that can't do anything outside of melee range

[charred flint]

Im just playing thane on that cause lmao at least thunderclap hits from a far hahaha

[balmy shore]

rl filled as ret this tier but is a ww main and we were both like ?? going from ret/unh dk to ww/fury

[charred flint]

blizzard usually was being pretty good on not doing purple circle on purple floor

[balmy shore]

on that boss

[charred flint]

but then

this fight comes

;D

[modest hollow]

like.... how??

100mill more :S

[marble pilot]

Its ok man. This is from a +22 academy vid on youtube. Opening pull. Cropped the names out just cause. The orange is a bear tank the warrior is fury.

The pull ends with the fury higher but still this is about half way through it

[marble apex]

and here are rogue and hunt but if you do those pulls with dk and evoker, you can see finishing this AA 1º pull the dk with 1M+ and you still 300-450k...

its our day n day

[marble pilot]

This is the end of the key. So it isnt all bad. We just suck at burst

[crisp mantle]

Our spec is still arbitrarily target limited from dragon flight changes. It wont get better until thats fixed

[modest condor]

gotta make sure nobody knows that's banshers, noxiv, wor, squish and ortemis

[crisp mantle]

Pulls with 5 enemies do great on, anything more and you can see where the spec falls behind

[marble pilot]

It isnt my place to say who it is. But yeah it is a public video

[modest condor]

who else uploads videos with that comp

[marble pilot]

First time ive seen em honestly. I dont watch much it just popped up while I was doing work chores

[modest condor]

they've been one of the top physical comp groups together with monksea for a couple of seasons now

[marble pilot]

Yeah im sure they were known people. I just didnt know what the rules were for posting others peoples stuff so I just played it safe. Every place is different

[modest hollow]

@marble pilot check message

[modest condor]

if you wanna be nice you can block names from your own runs but like nobody cares tbh

[marble pilot]

Yeah I didnt think it would be a problem. But some places have more restrictions than others. Easier to just play it safe than think about it. Regardless end of the key dps is pretty close. But the burst is so bad.

[balmy shore]

LOL literally

[olive wraith]

Tww reduced our uncapped limitations fwiw

[marble pilot]

Kinda. OF, tclap/blast and bladestorm right?

Everything else is hard capped.

[olive wraith]

Reap too, but we proc/press these soft capped abilities a lot

[marble pilot]

Though being honest if improved WW hit everything even with diminishing returns it would probably be too much. it would have to be heavily brought down

[olive wraith]

I mean even ww isn’t half bad at soft capped

The spell not the iww

[marble pilot]

Yeah I mean the cleaved normal ability part. Like if bloodthirsts/rampages hit every single target

[crisp mantle]

They could make an update that >5 targets does less % or something.

[olive wraith]

Ye

[crisp mantle]

It just rears its ugly head in big pulls which feels bad

[marble pilot]

Yeah there are ways to do it.

[olive wraith]

I don’t wanna be spriest

[warm crag]

go play outlaw or

[marble pilot]

Other part of it though is that some specs do over 1m opening pulls when the best or near the best warrior is only doing 500k. Yet that is balanced.

[warm crag]

it is because you do other stuff

or do you want to play a game where no one does anything different

everyone presses 1 on cd and everyone does the same damage

wowie

[olive wraith]

And yet it still evens out somewhat

[marble pilot]

I know. Still feels bad when it happens.

[crisp mantle]

We have better sustain than most

[warm crag]

does it feel bad when you win every other pull or

if you want to play a burst spec you go play a burst spec

[tight roost]

Whats the situation with slarms compared to fury atm, seems like they do very similar numbers wise, is there really any point switching?

[warm crag]

you vaguely have access to one by playing col

[olive wraith]

Ya I mean we just have no burst haha

[tight roost]

does slarms pull bigger burst?

Or is that a colo thing

[olive wraith]

Slarms has better st

[marble pilot]

The end of the key the damage numbers were basically the same. And its fine. I still really enjoy fury. But I do sometimes want try a class that has real burst

[olive wraith]

Colo def has bigger burst

[olive wraith]

Then hope Blizz gives us burst sometime this expac

Web be flat for 3 seasons

Soon tm

[marble pilot]

I might try a burst class next season. I have never really played a caster or burst heavy spec as a main before.
Dunno which right now though

And I dont play enough to really maintain two toons

[tight roost]

Tbh i liked fury being flat but doing great prio like last season, i feel the current dmg profile is pretty meh even if overall numbers are fine

[marble pilot]

Yeah I prefered last season as well. Same reasoning. I didnt mind the flat damage profile when I was top ST dps at the same time.
But I rarely feel like my ST is any higher than the burst classes right now

[olive wraith]

Last season we were kinda juiced. So that checks out

[tight roost]

True

[olive wraith]

Playstyle wasn’t enjoyable though

[crisp mantle]

This is my point, we dont excell at anything right now

[marble pilot]

Nah we clear the inbetween pulls when everyone else is on cd

Which is probably the most boring roll to fill. But at least the gameplay is fun

[tight roost]

I mean doing good dps all the time is nice imo, but last season we did that too plus prio was good

[crisp mantle]

^

[tight roost]

We are definitely punished less than other classes by botching a big pull

[marble pilot]

Yeah and unless there is forced downtime of some kind we know exactly what we are bringing. Basically every pull. And that consistency can be nice. But it can also get stale since there are no peaks

[olive wraith]

I still want to be hard capped but have really good st/prio/funnel

Lean into the iww 5t niche

[tight roost]

Yeah thats be my preference too

At least we press of now

[marble pilot]

Same. Funnel would be fun. I know some people hate the idea but I would love to pick the hardest target in a pull and say thats my job. Im the warrior let me deal with the big bad. You guys take care of the trash

[olive wraith]

OF is pretty sad honestly

[tight roost]

It is

[olive wraith]

Every other season it’s “tier reduces of cd”

Or tier gives huge buff to of

[marble pilot]

Yeah if tier didnt reduce the CD would we even take it?

[olive wraith]

Instead of actually changing the spell

[olive wraith]

Probably

[tight roost]

Well i dont know that current talents make any other choice viable

I think they made talents very cookie cutter as it is

Would be nice with some more wiggle room

[marble pilot]

Yeah I guess with nothing to compete it gets slotted in regardless. Still good for 1 gcd

So they going to flip us to RB next season. And thats all the changes

[tight roost]

Let it proc reap then at least 😬

[modest condor]

nah, that just doesnt work

the only seasons we've been good are the ones where we had some form of uncapped aoe

[olive wraith]

How so

[modest condor]

look at history

we've never been good in a season where we didnt have something that gave us good uncapped aoe

[olive wraith]

Other specs have been good with funnel. Don’t see how that excludes us

[tight roost]

Funnel is fun, id take funnel

[marble pilot]

Funnel kinda depends on dungeon rotation doesnt it. Not all dungeons have big prio mobs.

You could say the same for uncapped aoe I guess. But big aoe is more common imo

[olive wraith]

There’s usually stuff that needs to go down as quickly as possible

[marble pilot]

I do like the idea of funnel though. It is a fun theme to me and I would be happy to do that job. I just dont know how useful it turns out to be in practice

[oak peak]

also depends if pugging or not. Funnel is good in set groups where they understand your role, in pugs, big numbers>funnel when it comes to group perception

[olive wraith]

Arcane was fine with this in s2 tww wasn’t it

People mostly understand that role

[marble pilot]

Arcane is a spec that looks like chaos to me. So much crap just flying around

And I heard its simpler now but it used to be a crazy rotation as well

Im not a mage player though so I dont actually know. I just know im tired of frost mages clearing the whole raid. Maybe every encounter wont be split cleave next tier.

[oak peak]

warrior also has a worse perception in general in M+ i would say, so if we dont put up big numbers, i dont see us getting invites generally

[tight roost]

Its very simple now to the point of being overly prescriptive, i think fury rotation is more engaging

[olive wraith]

This is the case for most dps classes

[marble pilot]

I still know people that wont run with devourers at all

[olive wraith]

The closer you are to meta the more invites you get

[marble pilot]

Cause they are either the best dps in the game or lower than tank damage and you dont know which one you are going to get

[olive wraith]

Been like that for a long time

[marble pilot]

Probably not a problem past like +12s though. I assume most devourers doing 12+ know what they are doing by now

[fallen solstice]

Am I correct in thinking that stance mastery would theoretically increase sudden death procs? Or does 'attacks' refer to auto attacks and spells like BT, RB etc

[modest condor]

you're incorrect

[fallen solstice]

Thank you!

[modest condor]

for one, sudden death explicitly doesnt proc off of auto attacks

but also it uses a system called rppm, which means more actions doesnt mean more procs

[fallen solstice]

I see, I'm wondering why stance mastery simmed better than...the talent left of javelineer and wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding something with slayer

[modest condor]

well 3% auto attack speed is a bigger damage increase than... nothing

assuming im not misremembering the talent

yeah you barely press whirlwind and raging blow as slayer

[fallen solstice]

Well I was surprised many logs I was looking at took it over stance mastery

[modest condor]

so it's kinda a nothing talent

[fallen solstice]

Right

[modest condor]

idk either way the difference is extremely minimal

[olive wraith]

We like stance mastery for the defensive aspect anyways

[fallen solstice]

If BT enrages you, does it do enraged damage? Like how rampage or OF enrages you and then does damage, or is it different

[modest condor]

no bt doesnt do enraged damage

[fallen solstice]

That is great to know

[modest condor]

it's the only source of enrage that works that way for some reason

maybe because it's a chance

[fallen solstice]

I think because the other abilities enrage you, while the BT causes you to enrage

If that makes sense

Like it procs rage rather than enrages you

[fallen solstice]

Yeah I was opting for it but was mostly surprised logs at the top of crown didn't take it. I was seeing that the top log was doing like 10k over the next person and didn't want to chaulk it up to cheesing or rng

I was looking at logs on the 18th or 19th, looks like the gap closed a bit from r1 to r2

[modest condor]

difference between 10th and 1st is almost always rng

unless there's some giga pad

[fallen solstice]

Well right, I was looking at 1st to 2nd

But tbf people aren't playing fury on a lot of these bosses

So the gap would be more likely to be wide

[fallen solstice]

I think what I noticed from replay is that they were playing melee on the simulacrum and mini boss with ranged on alleria so they would be getting cleave

And pressing WW more often then I would have been sitting on alleria

[modest hollow]

littlebit better here

[stoic star]

Has anyone tried the add on Hyperframe that adjust graphics and optimizes them? I’m at work but if anyone can test it and get back to me I’d appreciate it big time 🙂

[modest hollow]

/console set ResampleAlwaysSharpen 1

like that?

[fallen solstice]

Someone get my man MS paint for a crop job 😉

[stoic star]

No I think it sets all your graphics settings?

[modest hollow]

try it

and see the difference

instead of 1, try to add 0 at the end

and see the diff

[stoic star]

Hyperframe:
Content-based settings – different tweaks for PvE, PvP, dungeons, and exploration

Custom preset options – fine-tune things like view distance, LOD, and effects

Uber Settings – pushes graphics beyond normal limits for high-end PCs

In-combat optimization – keeps fights cleaner and performance steadier

Global tweaks – reduces heavy settings like particle effects and render scale when needed

Logout optimization – lowers settings before you log off to speed up the next login

Sounds similar to what your saying but much more options

[long mural]

Are we running slayer now?

[fallen solstice]

In raid it's boss dependent, in keys I like slayer for better ST but there's a few dungeons I like thane to pad

[long mural]

Thanks. Been playing thane and looked up and saw everyone rolling slayer lol

[fallen solstice]

They're both in a good place rn. Slayer can take more advantage of monk debuff in keys which is nice too. Thane is also just more consistent

[long mural]

Also was confused how people are not playing ER

[languid willow]

I like Thane in seat until the last boss then i port out and swap slayer during rp

[fallen solstice]

Defensive stance is good rn especially with stance mastery

[unborn musk]

How do you return in time?

[spare flame]

me zug brain me no defensive stance unga bunga

[fallen solstice]

Using defensives has always been strictly hypothetical 😛 don't tell my healers

[languid willow]

you use ur dungeon port, swap talents, then run back in

and it puts you at the boss room

[long mural]

For playing slayer are you waiting for reck/avatar to be up before sending BS?

[olive wraith]

Wdym slayer can take more advantage

[burnt oxide]

you hold BS. but you dont hold reck longer than a few gcds

and avatar, slayer has not

[long mural]

Fair enough. I have avatar macro'd to reck so they are one and the same to me rn lol

[fallen solstice]

Thane does mixed damage

[olive wraith]

Thane is still entirely physical

[burnt oxide]

it does some nature damage

[fallen solstice]

Heh?

[olive wraith]

Storm strike is physical

[burnt oxide]

it is stormstrike damage

it is physical and nature

[olive wraith]

It gains benefit of monk debuff

[burnt oxide]

yes

because it is both

the lightning strikes we trigger

are nature

[fallen solstice]

Thought I was having a stroke lmao

[olive wraith]

Just wanted to clarify

Thane benefits just as much

[burnt oxide]

the stormstrikes dont benefit from monk technically speaking, but it is whatever

it benefits from dh

[olive wraith]

[olive wraith]

It’s literally amped by debuff

[burnt oxide]

the current, mb

i would need to check in logs/sim if they actually benefit from that fully

because it is not physical damage

[modest condor]

thunderblast is buffed by monk, lightning strike/ground current isnt

[burnt oxide]

ye thunderblast is nature/phys

(it does not change anything in decision making imo)

[spare flame]

im pretty sure the archi guide says if reck is >30 secs you can send BS, that what i have been doing anyways

[fallen solstice]

How does mixed damage work, like does it double dip with monk and dh? Or does only part of the damage get buffed by each raid buff

15% of my damage was not physical, but mostly because the filter ability.type!=1 keeps the stormstrike of thunder blast, and ability.type=1 removes the tblast

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Jy1rvWfhGFPNwZ8a?fight=17&type=damage-done&source=7&pins=2%24Off%24%23244F4B%24expression%24ability.type!%3D1

[burnt oxide]

afaik, the highest modifier is taken

[fleet yarrow]

Our mythic prog for dragons is funny

because its practically a coinflip if I get bladestorm up for add phases

[burnt oxide]

i prefer thane for that

[fallen solstice]

This is the way

[fleet yarrow]

so my dmg throughout the pulls go from
Number 1 -> Number 8 on the dmg listr

[burnt oxide]

thane always number 1 on the list

but i dont have a devourer in group

that helps

[fallen solstice]

It's the only fight people tell me I'm pretty on

[stoic loom]

Thats why ure n1 on the list

My guild has 3 devourers so i literally see the adds disappears 1 global after spawning

[fallen solstice]

I think you're right, idk how reliable maxroll would be for anything not Diablo 2 but both because it's a bigger buff and tblast ignores armor it would default to mystic touch

[drowsy maple]

is there any kind of use case for Rampaging Ruin for slayer in m+ or is it purely a meme

thought I saw mention of it in one of the Updates posts

[unborn musk]

So it scales first with both, then the actual damage type gets choosen?

[fallen solstice]

To me it reads that it basically determines which would be more damage and uses that type, so it doesn't double dip

But I play warrior, reading is for job classes

[unborn musk]

Thick necks, low int :))

[fallen solstice]

In the example they mention that with normal armor, holy damage would be chosen, but then the mob would take 5% more damage because of chaos brand (which I think is normally 3%)

[hardy cargo]

U have to play around it with cancelaura for not very much more overall but yeah there is

[drowsy maple]

ah, interesting

ty

[hardy cargo]

Ok but what’s the date of the article, is it just outdated information in terms of the # gained from chaos brand

[fallen solstice]

Oh true

Feb 2026

[hardy cargo]

Then maybe the writer is just incorrect about chaos brand # or there’s something I don’t know

Bc that shit ain’t 5% anymore kek

[fallen solstice]

But that was when it was last updated, I bet the original posting of 2024 it was pre nerf

So it wouldn't affect us because ss ignores armor so it will likely default to physical and always choose mystic touch

[unborn musk]

On this, how much armor do mobs have now? What's the damage mallus we take?

[hardy cargo]

Yeah to know which it’s buffed by is way above my pay grade I just push buttons and kill shit

I’m too scared to ping him but I’m sure Archi knows the answer to both of these questions

[fallen solstice]

I hang out here to fuel my autism

[spare flame]

dude that first pull in algethar always goes to shit when i have a blood dk on my group lol

[fallen solstice]

Because they can't hold aggro or because they can't kite off the debuff and flop? Lol

[spare flame]

they just explode

and then it's gg

[fallen solstice]

We got my buddy on the engi belt life to kite away to let the bleed drop, but we were only doing 12s

Every pug blood has flopped

[long mural]

Are thane and slayer doing pretty close to the same performance-wise?

[sudden tusk]

for M+ yeah

[spare flame]

i dont remember repair costs being this crazy before

shit's insane

[gilded belfry]

More power more re$pon$abilites

[frigid geyser]

one question. am i crazy or for enourmous pulls like AA or maybe even first on Seat we should just spam whirlwind + enrage at max fury? obviously using bladestorm and odyns fury plus pressing execute procs

[storm rune]

Inside of CDs doesn't ww take very high priority already? Pretty sure I read that on wowhead. Unless you're dropping barbaric training and meat cleaver for defensives

[frigid geyser]

it does in case u dont have the buff

[olive wraith]

Ww>rb

Pretty sure it’s below everything else

[tight roost]

Bb sd exes over ww unless buff is missing

[marble pilot]

Yeah losing chances to proc reap probably real bad.

Though im still camping thane in keys. Havnt really touched slayer much so I could be missing something.

[hardy cargo]

in 3 targets or higher just replace when you would normally place raging blow with whirlwinds

[viral falcon]

how does slayer fury hold up in m+ for aoe

[wispy thistle]

https://giphy.com/gifs/theweeknd-the-weeknd-heartless-VGoZVlR9naOZCiRLSy

[hardy cargo]

if you are talking like overall over the course of a dungeon we are not completely shit but if you are talking pull 1 of a dungeon we are prolly getting owned

[viral falcon]

i see people doing higher keys go slayer over thane

[hardy cargo]

slayer cranks and negates a ton of shit this season

example being the chains in the first part of seat

[wispy thistle]

im pretty sure its also fairly dependent on how your tank pulls

[hardy cargo]

for arms sure I can 100% see that but idk if it affects fury that much

[summer quail]

it's really only noxiv no? and that guy will find any excuse to go slayer

[spare flame]

first pull of algethar makes me so insecure

[viral falcon]

checked raider io top runs for some dungeons quite a few of them went slayer

[languid willow]

slayer has strong ST and since the ST is better your prio is a little better too

its not arms

but its good

[fickle vector]

What’s the easiest way to track when Gaze and Heart of ancient hunger are procced? Aside from my buffs section on the top right of my screen

[spare flame]

it shouldnt really matter imo

since we send shit on cd

but i know that heart procs give us this purple dinosaur(?) spirit type shit on us

[subtle lagoon]

both thane and slayer clears those with berserker rage, I guess you also get that charge for slayer

[hardy cargo]

thane can clear 1 every 30s slayer can clear all of them

[lofty seal]

Become a gnome and be the seat master

[dim spindle]

Purple dinosaur dude is a true bro, I'll give him a piggyback any day

[clever iron]

fury feels pretty good whit perfect comp this was 19 magister

[spare flame]

i dont see a havoc anywhere

[knotty crag]

What kind of stats are y'all running

[loud field]

heya warrior homies

how we doing

[knotty crag]

This for thane or you play both

[river nimbus]

I play fury, both slayer and thane

[storm rune]

Have our stats ever really changed?

[olive wraith]

Beta for 2 weeks

[olive wraith]

[storm rune]

wait wait wait... zero speed?

Somethings wrong here

[river nimbus]

just the standard m+ build. not the raid thane one

[spare flame]

does anyone know if the person logging a m+ run dies, does it mess up the log of everyone?

[wispy thistle]

it does not

[spare flame]

weird

my details overall dmg never matches with the log overall dmg

like, ever

[wispy thistle]

Raid or M+?

[spare flame]

m+

[wispy thistle]

Details or the blizz log will fuck up if you die though. Logs are always more accurate

[spare flame]

yeah i never died

details showed me with 180k dps in a +17 windrunner

and it's 164k on warcraftlogs

[wispy thistle]

i can take a look at the log if you want me to

try and figure it out

the only thing i can think of is logs might exclude damage somewhere

[spare flame]

weird

i have had that happen in pit of saron too

[thorny peak]

Odds of getting the nexus point ring i want with rerolls

[wispy thistle]

i think its like 1 in 7

but it gets better the more rolls you spend

[fallen solstice]

Damage to 0 hp mobs?

[wispy thistle]

Id have to see the logs to check which mobs arent included in the damage breakdown if any

[spare flame]

sent it via dm

[thorny inlet]

this shouldn´t be something out of the word, right?

[wispy thistle]

out of the word? As stats go normally haste and mastery are a tad low but thats also ilvl dependent

[thorny inlet]

ok let let me start slowly. Im looking for reason of mayor issues for my M+ furry build, Imho im folowing the guids acc rotation etc, but the logs telling me im that hard at the rear end of the ranking i couldnt beliver

[fallen solstice]

Find anything with the details vs logs?

[warm crag]

your stats will literally never be the reason why you'd be doing bad in m+

[thorny inlet]

i mean im surviving, knowing the mechanics etc.

just to give u an idea, am doing in avr. 80-90k DPS with GS280+

when im checking logs, its telling me im in the bottom 1/5 in ranking

[wispy thistle]

Hard to tell but its dropped 10-15k with everyone, Only think i can think of is a mob is excluded on logs

[lost reef]

you mean st 80-90k in m+?

[thorny inlet]

im mean in avarage in the end the outcome is letzs say 80k dps

[wispy thistle]

If this is overall its definitely low but its a matter of key level. What key level are you running?

[thorny inlet]

10-13

[wispy thistle]

You can put something in log review for someone to look at but its different in lower keys since mobs die so fast and our class isnt really bursty this go around

[thorny inlet]

im seeing thge evaluation on warcraftr logs and im seeing the otjher classes witrh GS 260 woh arte performing the same as me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZfVyJWN9QBh7Fjbt?fight=last

can you open this?

this is the thing it driving me nuts

[wispy thistle]

Okay so from looking it it compared to other warriors you may be using thunderclap wrong and over capping rage

in lower target counts thunderclap should only be used to keep up ww buff. and your Rampage, bloodthirst and bloodbath casts are low compared to others

if i remember correct thunderclap takes prior when the target count is 7+ but under that you do a normal rotation

[winter shoal]

7+

6

[wispy thistle]

^

[winter shoal]

and that's only during ava

[storm rune]

45cpm is the main issue

[thorny inlet]

see comparison with nr.1

[wispy thistle]

yeah look at their BT and BB casts

They cast it twice as much with less tclap and more rampage

[thorny inlet]

i see

thunderclap is too much but others are to less...

[next mica]

am i just wasting my time trying to q for 19's +?

is it this bad for every1?

[hot shell]

For LFR? They only want metacomps, and YOU are no in it

[storm rune]

it's just a matter of pressing buttons

[thorny inlet]

so i just need to do my stuff little faster?

[storm rune]

you could definitely benefit from practicing the rotation, but yeah you need to press your buttons, you're outright using 30% fewer GCDs of someone with the same haste as you

[smoky vale]

6 or 7?

[wispy thistle]

when you get that high up unless you have a group its gonna be hard. Will typically have to run your own key

[charred estuary]

did anyone ever make a replacement for that WA that tells you when you are targeted by something to reflect

[winter shoal]

depends on which operator you're using I fear

[fallen solstice]

📠

[wispy thistle]

I dont think its possible any longer

[olive wraith]

Thane buffs 😮

[storm rune]

aww dammit

[delicate lion]

how important are embellishments. I kinda forgot about them and spammed mythic 10 dungeons and used rolls to get all my mythic gear

[vernal laurel]

YO

https://www.wowhead.com/news/many-hero-talent-buffs-coming-upcoming-class-tuning-with-weekly-reset-381709?utm_source=discord-webhook

[mint moat]

Whats 30% work out to? Thane will probably be 100% over slayer now in keys.

[vernal laurel]

Big

[inner zinc]

Fml, i dont wanna go back to yo thane, i wanna stay slayer

[compact knot]

they didnt nerf slayer bro

u can still play ti

[inner zinc]

Yeah but now im gonna be griefing

[storm rune]

well with that news... What do I drop as thane to pick up stance mastery and ER?

[spring fox]

You'll be doing the same damage as you're doing today

[compact knot]

you literally will not be griefing

[mint moat]

Massacre normally is dropped but you can always play no ER but GL.

[balmy shore]

WOW

[stoic loom]

no u really arent lmao

[indigo crystal]

Why would they buff the already strongest hero talents for warr????

[summer quail]

i've been saying i think slayer fury is bait in m+, now with this buff i have no doubt

[indigo crystal]

sadly yes

[unkempt oasis]

It was pretty fun in keys

[dense elbow]

Still is nothing changed for Slayer

[unkempt oasis]

It is dead to me now. Will never play it again.

\s

[dense elbow]

About 3-4% on the overall

I am just happy clappa clappa ppl got some love, having their big clappa clap more like big clap

[storm rune]

honestly slayer feels pretty ass without a supporting tierset

[hushed gust]

well, it seems pretty apparent. they want Slayer used for priority damage, and Thane used for trash. Until Thane's trash damage is so overwhelmingly better, i don't think Slayer will lose it's place in keys.

[hardy cargo]

I was under the impression both were pretty close in terms of overall at least

[storm rune]

I just really like the easy access to defensives while going brrrrrstorm

they were, the diff was a margin of error

[stiff carbon]

Guess we're going back to Thane next week

[unkempt oasis]

I think unless you are in the MDI, it doesn't matter.

[storm rune]

Brother I'm going for rank 1 LFR parses

It always matters

[unkempt oasis]

You know what, fair.

Rank 1 LFR

[honest trail]

Even in MDI, Noxiv played Slayer

lmao

& Thane both

Just depending on the key

[dense elbow]

Lets all just agree, that bigger main clappa press, is happy times for all

[unkempt oasis]

Can't wait to see him play it in the finals.

[dense elbow]

[honest trail]

They're already out

[unkempt oasis]

I know

[honest trail]

But it was played till Lower Finals

[unkempt oasis]

😭

[formal portal]

Mtn thane buff yippie!!

[polar iron]

delete thane buff reap

[modest condor]

triple threat sabotaged physical god comp!!!1

[unkempt oasis]

Bastards

[storm rune]

It's harder than you'd think!

[unkempt oasis]

Lmfao

I believe in you

[dense elbow]

R1 LFR, fighting that one madlad minmaxed with a team to back him up

always live the dream

[storm rune]

I actually gave up that goal that season and swapped to prot, hard to parse when the tank is a headless chicken 9/10 times

[unkempt oasis]

I have not even done lfr this tier

seemed like hell

[storm rune]

L'ura fight is...

[sly merlin]

more buffs yum

[storm rune]

Straining

[kind bison]

wonder how thane will be vs slayer next week pog

[serene socket]

When I sim thane vs slayer on single target its about 104k vs 112k. 5 target its 373k vs 357k. Tbh those are close enough currently you could play either completely valid. thane buff just brings the single target a bit closer and widens the aoe gap so seems thanes an easy pick going forward in most content now

theyre close enough i dont think theres much value in sweating over the difference though

[somber thicket]

And 10% more tanky as thane

[dense elbow]

Ye, but 100% less spinnywinny

[serene socket]

I enjoyed slayer's gameplay a lot more at the end of TWW, but i also enjoy the class fantasy of the thunderclaps more than whirlwind.

[unkempt oasis]

Heresy

[serene socket]

Ive been choosing based off vibes for the day recently. our damage curve is flat and our dps is right around "average" on the charts but that means we can play really anything right now and be good enough. i kinda like it

[languid willow]

i say this every time I go thane in seat for the big dmg dr then swap slayer for last boss

feels super nice

but prob just gonna go then from here on out

the base DR and overall aoe will make up for the minor st diff

[olive wraith]

Boooo

[languid willow]

bigclappa back

[languid willow]

You’ll clappa and you’ll like it

[ornate gust]

we need burst damage for slayer build

[south kayak]

TB finally does more damage than TC

[languid willow]

I mean slayer ST still goes crazy and thus the dmg on the prio target should be better too

So in keys like SR and AA where there is more ST and prio required slayer still performs better imo

But will have to see after reset

[summer quail]

thane was already pretty close in st. you're right about the prio damage tho

[spare steppe]

How’s it going for him?

[compact knot]

id say they did pretty decent for a group that joined for fun

[frozen marten]

Why does Blizz hate us?

[compact knot]

he just has no idea how to play arms

which is ok

[languid willow]

I want to like arms but the pacing feels awkward compared to fury just feels clunky idk

[serene socket]

i like to play arms when im avoiding carpal tunnel

[languid willow]

I feel like arms plays more like a piano than fury

[pallid brook]

Buff good?

Im a bit wasted need caveman

[serene socket]

buff good

[rich flame]

Is buff enough

[pallid brook]

Good

These women be fightin over someone who apparently cheated

Doin me head in

But buff good

[edgy widget]

#updates-midnight

and if you visit id:customize, you'll be notified whenever there's an important update

[pallid brook]

Yes thanks for the ting brudda went and read it

Im a bit foggy atm

[stark depot]

roleplays a brewmaster in warrior discord, heresy!

[candid falcon]

thane buff

https://tenor.com/view/hank-shoot-me-king-of-the-hill-hose-gun-gif-9222714

[lusty jungle]

patch note tldr:

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove 👉 🕜

[sinful sequoia]

on reset?

[snow edge]

Many Hero Talent Buffs Coming - Upcoming Class Tuning with Weekly Reset

[sudden tusk]

smorbsmish no raid tn

[trim moon]

Would Thane do decent ST?

[sudden tusk]

its still behind slayer but the buff makes it very strong in M+

only like 3kdps behind slayer for ST while also being even better in AoE

for fury yeah

arms is still very good if you have shaman

[trim moon]

Ty Brother

[sinful sequoia]

and for bosses like dragons & a bit on better on vanguard

[sudden tusk]

wont change anything for raid same specs still as good but ye

still good for vanguards and dragons

[sinful sequoia]

vanguards right now i play arms

[dapper goblet]

Did u kill

[sudden tusk]

no the race is still on. 2% P3 people stood on eachother and explode

should kill monday tho

[sinful sequoia]

but actually they dont touch our hero talents XD

[summer quail]

i might try it on belo prog, doubt it's better tho

[inner zinc]

im really hoping slayer also gets a buff tuesday

[dawn dawn]

Keep pushing em both up lfg

[sinful sequoia]

lets see still time for some adjustments 🙏

[raw magnet]

Imagine if when we get open world myth track items that an open world trinket becomes bis for some specs

then they have to farm it

[stoic loom]

declined me

must be waiting for noxiv to sign up to his +20 i suppose

7/8 resilient still not enough to get invited to a physical comp pepehands

[snow flower]

The pain of trying to complete resilients

[stoic loom]

i got declined earlier by a team that chose to take a second ret over a warrior

thats how down bad i am

literally 1 key away from resilient at the level im applying to

[ornate prism]

Folks, which combat potion do you use with your full item set like 290 lv, light's potential or recklessness?

[storm rune]

you can test which to use in sims if you want to min/max, personally i just buy whatever is cheaper

a buddy gave me a stack of 200 recklessness, so free wins

[vocal fog]

Fury Owns

[raw magnet]

I use light's potential because i currently have more haste than mastery

[modest condor]

i use light's potential because i dont want to think about what secondary is my highest

[dense elbow]

I use the cheap version of the str pot, cause cheap. Repairs are costly enough, so gotta save some gold

[storm rune]

We call them Sensiblekitty round here

[ornate prism]

Ooh I see. I guess the performance of the portions shoube similar. Light's potential wins in sim though

[ornate prism]

I need the buddy 🤣

[jolly wind]

Guys do u press ww above rb in slayer aoe mplus?

Basically do u ever press rb in aoe?

Or u just spam ww if u don’t have sd or bs?

I’ve been using all my ww stacks then pressing ww to refresh I didn’t know I was supposed to spam it tho

What do u guys do

[lusty jungle]

Ww if more than 4 targets otherwise rb gives more rage

[scarlet swift]

Fury aoe buffs, man they sure know what we needed

[hybrid cargo]

Jfc just saw the thane buff lol are we back to thane for cleave?

[scarlet swift]

Probably, the tankiness plus aoe, literally no point in slayer

[toxic pivot]

Is that with slayer?

[snow edge]

Yes

[tulip bolt]

this is what i meant yesterday

[untold quail]

does anyone know impact on burst? Should be decent right?

[tulip bolt]

but i like how after i say we need a single target buff they buff our aoe xD

[snow edge]

On burst? Huh

There's notes on the % increase in ST / AoE, that's what's measured

[stoic loom]

i know

[stoic loom]

our aoe could use with a buff anyway, but yeah its our ST that is worse off for sure

[slim coral]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Ardv62CtVzBNYQLp?fight=2&type=damage-done @smoky vale

big blastin

[smoky vale]

refer to my nma

e

^

[lusty jungle]

Slayer ST is fine imo

[stoic loom]

i think it'd be fine if we did big aoe

but right now we dont do big aoe and we dont do big st

[slim coral]

What does that mean

[smoky vale]

[lusty jungle]

We do same overall as everything else in m+ and we win most ST fights

[stoic loom]

Not true xd

Inb4 you send me a screenshot of details of you beating a devourer on overall

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

[lusty jungle]

Don't lose to metacucks just plan your game and play ball you will own them. Also I wouldn't be with an devourer in m+ because physcomps is when we shine.

[slim coral]

is this not gio

[summer quail]

you do not have the right to post that emote

[stoic loom]

This is cope but w/e

At the same skill level ure not gonna beat a ret or a dk or devourer or a feral or an outlaw

[lusty jungle]

Its perfectly fine, if you're doing 200k overall its good for 20s, sure you won't beat the best players in the world of meta classes but generally its not that bad.

[dapper goblet]

@slim coral dumb

[tulip bolt]

could be better in my opinion

[hollow owl]

has anyone else has their WW tracker in the CDM stay for longer than 4 abilities?

seems like sometimes it goes for 5 abilities?

[knotty crag]

It only counts the last hit of rampage so it's delayed coming off

At least that's how I remember it being explained

[odd agate]

Unless it's a phys comp, expect to not get invited. Basically a guaranteed decline if a Dev/lock/ uhdk/ aug are in the group

[lean heart]

finally done

[raw magnet]

Until sporefall is out

[lean heart]

cross that bridge when we get there

[knotty crag]

Lots of haste, is that with flask?

[lean heart]

yeh i was doing keys as arms still had haste flask on

[hollow owl]

ahh that was it, ty! Seems like it works the same way with Raging blow, it only falls of after the 2nd hit of Raging blow

[summer quail]

where voidclaw, need to go bonusroll

[lean heart]

that dg loot pool is giga cursed

[summer quail]

yupp, 10 items iirc

[thorn hearth]

the gloves are in SEAT

[lean heart]

yup 10 items for dps 11 for prot lmao

[stuck spear]

Hey guys coming back to fury after a few tiers and I’m getting conflicting information are we actually pushing rend or naw?

[sudden tusk]

not anymore

WW auto applies it for slayer Tclap for thane

if you have imp ww selected

[dry yarrow]

so thane will be better next patch ?

than slayer

[sudden tusk]

i think it helps it ST enough while also improving its already better aoe

will prob be the goto

also has better defensive capability

[dry yarrow]

yeaah

alr alr ty

[drowsy heron]

Slayer will still have better ST overall tho right?

[languid willow]

not by much

[drowsy heron]

ugh, are we going back to Thane in all content again then?

[summer quail]

i doubt it. lots of adds in raid don't live very long

[red berry]

its not really that big of a buff to thane overall that you can really just play both

[drowsy heron]

yea i just did some napkin math with current sims and the estimated % gain

ST for Slayer is still slightly ahead for me and Thane AoE is slightly ahead

at least with my M+ talents

[sonic finch]

even with the buffs hard to go back to thane after playing slayer in high keys now. bladestorms got some interesting uses and the single target is awesome

[drowsy heron]

yea

i could see it for certain dungeons but since Avatar doesnt break CC anymore Slayer just feels better

[inner zinc]

the charge snare/root dispel is also pretty dope on slayer. Quite a few places you can just remove annoying and dangerous shit

[sonic finch]

you can legit just immune the first set of chains in seat for example with bladestorm at the opening of those pulls on subjugators with proper timing leaving zerk rage free for the second cast. just one specific example but damn its useful

[sonic finch]

yeah its also more mobile with the charge speed boost during chain pulls that shits actually really good.

[drowsy heron]

im a newb and didnt realize that charge for slayer got rid of roots

[inner zinc]

yeah theres a talent for it

[spiral orbit]

do warriors have any self way of cheesing the skyreach add last boss that drags you off the platform?

[inner zinc]

yeah its called killing the bird

[drowsy heron]

^

[inner zinc]

on a more serious note piercing howl slows it tf down

[summer quail]

i think you guys are coping about slayer fury in keys after this buff. but i guess we will see

[inner zinc]

im definitely coping

but i kinda wished they just buffed fury as a whole instead of just thane tbh

[drowsy heron]

would be nice to be stronger but ive been pumping hard in keys atm

[icy whale]

i like thane tbh

[drowsy heron]

we just dont burst like other classes

[sonic finch]

cope is bringing better aoe on thane with less ST and still losing to the dks hunters and rogues on overalls anyway tbh

[drowsy heron]

i barely lose to them lately tbh

[sonic finch]

grats bshout

[icy whale]

when your log is purple and the grey dk is above you

[drowsy heron]

but i might not have the best players in my 17s

still trying to get high enough for that 1% achieve

[icy whale]

i feel like in 18s you only meet clowns

[sonic finch]

yeah they bad or undergeared if your winning imho but all power to you

[drowsy heron]

i dont doubt it

i'm only really pushing to get the achieve mount, if it looks stupid i might give up

not sure why they didnt announce what it was yet

[icy whale]

brace for a recolor

[drowsy heron]

probably lol

[icy whale]

the hex code will be 2% different

[sand sand]

how’s mountain thane now?

[summer quail]

that st difference is incredibly close now. like 2-3% and the aoe difference is just increasing. only argument i have for slayer fury is prio damage, but like i said i guess we will see.

[olive wraith]

Ya thane isn’t really that far below in st

[compact loom]

thane is so boring thooooo

[olive wraith]

I disagree

[sonic finch]

i would say the prio is far better, on a class where the prios already terrible, but you could also make the realistic case that youll just be blown out of the water in that department by the metas too so its a moot argument anyway right

[olive wraith]

But errbody different

[icy whale]

how is the damage ratio between thunder blast and clap in m+?

30% thunder blast increased the skill in total by how much?

[olive wraith]

Clap is currently higher im pretty sure

You could always go check some logs

[icy whale]

well my log says 30% thunder clap

ah nvm theres a drop down

[sonic finch]

lol

[icy whale]

2/3 thunder clap

[olive wraith]

Sure sounds about right

[icy whale]

i wish it was 30% to both

[olive wraith]

Nah

[icy whale]

[olive wraith]

I want blast to be stronger

[summer quail]

made no sense that tclap hit harder, yes i know blast was still stronger coz of guaranteed lightning but still

[olive wraith]

That part

It shoulda been higher raw damage also

[icy whale]

they should do blast deal double

[summer quail]

yeah this is just a revert of a tblast nerf lmao

[icy whale]

[olive wraith]

I’ve been wanting a better way for us to proc tb

Outside of avatar

[sonic finch]

50% clap damage during avatar and now they buff tblast lol

[olive wraith]

Kinda the same problem slayer has with ramp reaps

[olive wraith]

What’s wrong with that

[icy whale]

replace clap with blast and reduce cd to 1s

and remove target cap

[summer quail]

yee, this is a revert of the tblast nerf from before season launched. was a dumb af nerf anyway

[icy whale]

[olive wraith]

Pass

Making procs feel big is a good thing

We don’t want a repeat of s3 playstyle imo

[icy whale]

now nerf unholy by 20% and my procs will feel even better

[summer quail]

i wonder if fdk would just take over. it's flying under the radar hard right now

[olive wraith]

[sonic finch]

100% bad design yeah

[icy whale]

fury life isnt easy, however i could be a mage

[olive wraith]

We chilling

[sonic finch]

you could be a havoc, kek

[olive wraith]

In keys at least

[icy whale]

havoc is doing fine

ish

[olive wraith]

Havoc has the problem of being completely overshadowed

[sonic finch]

my mate cant get into keys noone wants it bro lol at least for pugs, his seasons been terrible

[olive wraith]

Same as dev

[icy whale]

had a couple havocs now in 19s

[olive wraith]

Pugging is always hard if you’re not the meta

[sonic finch]

yeah but at least some comps really want bshout

[icy whale]

[floral bay]

Any1 did the math what those MT buffs amount to in overall?

[icy whale]

i have about 30% tb/tc damage in m+ and about 1/3 of that is tb

so 10% of my damage gets 30%, thats 3% total

[floral bay]

Not too shabby

[icy whale]

but now big pulls will feel way better

i think

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[floral bay]

MT was always the most fun option for fury regardless 😎

[icy whale]

bladestorm is cool and all but why wouldnt you want to clap enemies

[floral bay]

Exactly, big dopamine when Thor brings down the hammer

[icy whale]

btw am i the only one who sometimes struggles with heart of ancient hunger and thane animation etc to see blue stuff on the ground?

[floral bay]

Never noticed this but also havent seen that many blue ground effects maybe besides in NXP

[clever iron]

finally warrior getting some attention

[icy whale]

in nexus and terrace before last boss sometimes i dont see shit

[floral bay]

I dont see shit in the MT pulls before last boss anyway haha

[icy whale]

but windrunner rooms are probably worst

that damn ceiling

[olive wraith]

Wdym finally

[floral bay]

Worst ceiling is definitely skyreach last room

[icy whale]

but skyreach is just autopilot

windrunner rooms are filling with random shit on the ground

but maybe you are right, i depleted 3 skyreach today around that room, 2 times ninja pulls

[tulip bolt]

not the right kind, our single target is doodoo

its like blizz arent even paying attention

not sure if they realize but warriors are not using execute

at least on thane

and on slayer it doesnt seem strong enough

[red berry]

blast should frankly be doing more anyway

[olive wraith]

Execute has been fairly weak for most of the last 2 expacs

[summer quail]

execute is pretty big atm. does like 10-11% ish of my damage in raid and buffs rampage, gives a ton of rage and sudden death procs reap

[ember leaf]

need more super saiyan execute

[worn yoke]

I dont know if this 30% tblast damage will be enough to get me to play thane keys again (hopefully not anyway). Slayer has been shredding, higher ST, way mor fun (imo) and Bladestorm 🙂
and I've been landing 99&100s more consistently with slayer than 97-99s with thane since last buffs.

[summer quail]

oh i forgot, it also grants deep wounds. yea execute bigg

[heavy galleon]

Back to Thane now

[sonic finch]

also the reap proc at 100% effectiveness

[olive wraith]

That’s only sd

[sonic finch]

imagine if it wasnt

[summer quail]

Yea i mentioned that higher up

[pastel spoke]

so they tell us they buff thane single and aoe dmg but than is better in aoe rn no ?

[snow edge]

More consistent typically

You can get a lucky string of procs as Slayer and do just as much

[sonic badge]

ugh i know why i cant have whirlwind in cdm, but i want it to be there!

[ornate prism]

If I use ww on single target only, the buff of ww is not popup?

[forest vortex]

is fury back now with the thane buff?

[fading sky]

Fury wasnt gone

[worn yoke]

yes you can? its literally just the improved whirlwind buff under the 'buff' window

[sonic badge]

Sorry was talking about the on the essential cooldown section

Because it’s part of the “rotation”. But has no CD so understand why it’s not there

[undone flower]

There are stuff without cd you can have in the cdm

Idk why you would have them ofc, except slam bc blizzard forgot to have heroic strike as a buff smh

[unborn musk]

We are... Execute is above RBs and CBs in priority

[narrow fossil]

Hi friends how much % increase are the next tunning for MT?

In st and aoe

[burnt oxide]

It is in the update channel, in the first section of it

[narrow fossil]

Let me see it

[smoky vale]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[edgy oasis]

Thunderblast damage increased, nice. But does this mean we press BB to get procs? Or still spam thunderclap over 6 targets. I trust he'll update the prio list.

[compact knot]

it could push it to be tclap over 7 or 8 if i had to guess

[torpid crater]

why do they keep buffing things we don't want ? fuck tblast buff overall spells instead

[compact knot]

most the changes buffed hero talents specifically instead of overall spells, the 2 out standers where arcane and holy priest (arcane sucks ass and holy has mana issues)

also fury is good lmao

[indigo arch]

Uncap thunderblast*

hire me blizzard

[worn yoke]

yo problems solved let the man cook.

[indigo arch]

Slayer can become the more boss dam etc spec, thane can just be unga bunga big weiner aoe

[compact knot]

-> tblast gets nerfed

now the spec is ahh

gg

[jolly wind]

So this buffs mean thane will be picked over slayer now in mplus

[indigo arch]

Gonna be funny when s2 comes around and odyn is back to being a stinky global again

[jolly wind]

I like slayer more

[unborn musk]

I find that I am usually on par with most other specs given standard pulls, unless they are played by way better players.

It sucks when tanks don't tank to your capabilities - non-stop action and chain pulls - and don't tank bosses so you don't have to move to drop polls

[indigo arch]

(It's kinda stinky now tbh, but still)

S2 bonus buffs thunderclap and blast

hire me again blizz

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-dab-snow-gif-9672617

[compact knot]

i like both the dps warrior tiers

both got gifted this tier

[indigo arch]

I like going slayer when doing rat keys

[jolly wind]

Slayer is fun becuz bladestorm

[indigo arch]

maybe I try them in actual keys again when I stop fking doing said rat key

[hot shell]

Back to clapping i guess

[wicked eagle]

Cxf

[jolly wind]

So what every1 will play thane now??

No more slayer

No way right

[unborn musk]

I mean, we are doing that anyway.

On larger pulls: TC/TB + Rampage ad-infinitum, or TC/TB + BB if less than 50 rage

[indigo arch]

Slayer will still be good in raid

and at blasting vaults

[burnt oxide]

That does not elevate it above slayer st

Which has to be considered on key basis

[indigo arch]

Mmm, yea idk then nvm

at least slayer will maybe still bonk vault keys

silver linings

LMAO

[burnt oxide]

They did not nerf slayer

It does not make it obsolete

[indigo arch]

I don't see any sims yet (I haven't looked) but I assume slayer will still be taken in most fights

I misread what you said, yea

in key idk, prob similar

Wish they'd realize fury has bigger issues than slayer/thane disparity

like large pulls in m+

[analog dagger]

yea

fury falls behind so hard on bigger pulls it feels

[indigo arch]

(not even a fking issue, ppl are playing both)

Like, it does ok, but at which season will they go "You know, maybe making a class "ok" each season was a mistake"

tww s3 was close, bfa was close

they've shown they can tune close to it

Hell, I'll even count tww prepatch even if it was partially due to 2pc/2pc shenanigans and unhinged bug

[compact knot]

fury cleaves different then other specs is a slight issue

[indigo arch]

(most warrior salt I've ever read in lfg partychats)

It's also a consistent one

them "correcting" thane/slayer disparity seems well

non issue tier

Unless they decide s2 is a full st raid

to make up for cleave city aka s1

[compact knot]

id like for another abberus ngl

[indigo arch]

Aberrus felt pretty ok

[red berry]

id just like for thunder blast to feel like an actual button worth pressing again

[indigo arch]

Some didn't like annihilator but it felt good having explosive aoe

[red berry]

i honestly really enjoyed the odyns tierset

[indigo arch]

Odyn actually having snappy burst aoe

Thunderblast should feel impactful per press

avatar window should have fury absolutely chunking everything in range

[compact knot]

remove anger management

then we can have real cooldowns again

[indigo arch]

I miss deathwish

giant freight train globals

back when raging blow really was raging

could 1 tap people in pvp if I had full sunders on them

[compact knot]

when was that lmao

[indigo arch]

cata

LMAO

[peak plaza]

couldnt u just make cd longer instead of removing anger management

[sonic finch]

lmao

[burnt oxide]

Only expansion death wish and rb coexisted in pve

[compact knot]

i played fury in cata and that spec was worthless unless you had a 200000 mastery prepull set

and once you had a prepull set you finally did the same dps as everyone else

cringe

[indigo arch]

I still remember the clownsuits people would put on for h ultraxion

with the dresses etc

I was thinking more bwd/bastion to firelands

before it became arms city

[compact knot]

well i didnt know if they reimplement death wish after that in pve

didnt play before shadowlands and am currently playing mop

[burnt oxide]

Nop never appeared in pve again

[compact knot]

that doesnt fix the issue

[burnt oxide]

And old deathwish is just avatar with more %

[compact knot]

more duration of a shit cooldown is good i guess for consistent damage

but they are loving damage amp windows right now

[burnt oxide]

Nvm did not even have mote %

[indigo arch]

bring back 100% crit reck while at it (minus the global limit pls)

hire me blizz

[compact knot]

dont do that please

[indigo arch]

yes pls

[compact knot]

if you are in the fury channel

blizz

[indigo arch]

They won't uncap us, surely having 100% crit like half the time will be fine

hell, they could tune cshb to do damage again

many things they could do to work on warr cleave

[compact knot]

it was more 10% more from classic-wrathi believe

it was 30%

avatar is 20% rn

cata you could snapshot it with mastery for big numbers

[indigo arch]

I miss snapshots

snapshot rends with rend with prot with full vengeance stacks

snapshot rends in mop as arms with that shadopan 8800 str for 15s or w/e trinket

[compact knot]

u think you do until you have to do 5 minute prepull timers for the warlocks like people did in classic cata

[burnt oxide]

Wrath

If you play any mop rn

You wont miss snapshots

At all

[indigo arch]

snapshot combusts for fire mages with that trinket from the sidewing dragon soul boss that wasn't warlord yonw/e that I forget name of

where combust ticks like 20 fking times if u press it during

yea nvm fk snapshots

[compact knot]

it still exists

[burnt oxide]

100% crit trinket

[compact knot]

but people did it prepull

[burnt oxide]

In tot

[compact knot]

nah like in dragon soul

i had a 2nd set of gear that had a billion mastery

with mastery proc trinkets

so id hit mobs till it procced, use death wish, then switch back to normal gear

it was ass gameplay

[indigo arch]

I was hoping when they brought out legion timewalking that they'd have added nighthold as the raid

Disregard the filthy red class tooltip

Just bring that trinket back kty

[burnt oxide]

That is just am with extra steps

[indigo arch]

It is

[compact knot]

im a big fan of trinkets that interact with your cooldowns

not enough of those

[burnt oxide]

Tier trinkets

[indigo arch]

They'd have to give fury so much burst to make up for no AM

[burnt oxide]

Hfc

[compact knot]

the flexibility of the spec ruins it in raid i fear

[indigo arch]

Yea blizzard kinda tuned warrior into a fucking hole

[compact knot]

well its just

90s specs have the same flexibility with cd timings in raid but with stronger cooldowns

[indigo arch]

Buff fury aoe for keys, then people bitch when blizzard makes a raid tier with cleave

can't win

They don't seem to have those issues when tuning say, insert casterslop or dk here, but yea

[compact knot]

well those specs dont have to play around whirlwind...

there is a reason outlaw and fury have the exact same issues and its because a majority of the aoe comes from a button that just passively makes your abilities cleave around you

like outlaw is just fury but yellow

and vice versa

also doing big aoe doesnt make you a good spec guaranteed

(see feral druid)

[indigo arch]

I am thinking almost entirely m+ angle, but some more st for raid wouldn't be bad

like how feral gets a 4% buff instead of tuning targetting anything

lmao

[compact knot]

idk that was dumb

the spec is still gonna be ass in raid

[indigo arch]

surprised they haven't addressed ww monk still being made of aluminum either

[compact knot]

wcyd

[indigo arch]

maybe they think everyone swapped to brew/mw

[compact knot]

wait till you see arcane mage...

[indigo arch]

I feel no sympathy for casterslop: purple edition

mage most seasons can just spec swap to whatever spec they want to make meta

[compact knot]

not this season

shame that ww only has 2 other meta specs that you could learn

no spec got more fucked over then arcane did going from tww to midnight

[indigo arch]

Oh, I relish that mage has been given an off tier.

Rogues squeal real loud too. Despite how many years they have in pve and pvp.

Wish they'd randomly buff havoc over devourer too

Let's see how many stay if they have to play full melee

(nvm many would, it's dh)

[compact knot]

havoc is lowkey crazy

[glacial flicker]

havoc is fun especially with immolation aura build

you just fart and do dmg

[grand vale]

do we prio tb over enrage with 100 rage now?

with 30% more damage per tb

in st

[lyric panther]

you mean rampage?

[grand vale]

sry yes