fury

[pliant jackal]

nexus?

[keen kindle]

But why point?

[compact knot]

the left side ruins the whole dungeon

[keen kindle]

Trash?

[compact knot]

and the boss sucks

[keen kindle]

Corewarden?

[hot shell]

I think npx is fun

[pliant jackal]

i kind of get the trash

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/girls-und-panzer-gup-truth-nuke-trvke-katyusha-gif-3214992808214369110

[hot shell]

Skyreach and AA are ass, rest is ok

[bitter palm]

nah i dont

[compact knot]

the right side boss is good

[bitter palm]

what the FUCK

[compact knot]

very good

[bitter palm]

is seer

what is circuit seer

who came up with that fuckass mob

[compact knot]

but the left boss is the worst boss right now in the pool

[bitter palm]

hello today u will explode for no reason

👍

[keen kindle]

Those stupid fucking lines

[compact knot]

its somehow worse then the first boss of seat

[pliant jackal]

i meant get hating on the trash

[viral sorrel]

Is there any solution for delay in whirlwind stacks tracking?

[compact knot]

which is crazy

[bitter palm]

we depleted like 3 20s back when we were 274 but still

[keen kindle]

Theres a dedicated ww tracker addon

[bitter palm]

all on seers and arcanists or w/e theyre called

[compact knot]

also the leech veils on the right side suck as well

awful mechanic

[bitter palm]

ye

[compact knot]

whole left side sucks, some of the right side sucks

[bitter palm]

dreadflail is evil

boring ahh

[compact knot]

i actually like lothraxion trash because it means im almost done with that shit dungeon

and it doesnt do much

[bitter palm]

do we have a good cloak or do i take

leech cloak heavy crit vers

[hot shell]

When will we get s2 anyways? End of june? July ?

[pliant jackal]

pit of saron sucks as col arms

if caster don't stack

[keen kindle]

August

[hot shell]

WHAT

[bitter palm]

nah pit owns

[keen kindle]

In p sure

[bitter palm]

goated dungeon

[keen kindle]

Cuz like

[compact knot]

pretty sure that is literally colossus best dungeon

by a mile

just arms in general

[keen kindle]

We get .7 next month?

[pliant jackal]

its amazing but i hate it when casters are like 20 miles away and get grabbed

[compact knot]

ah true

yeah that sucks

[keen kindle]

Then 2 months post .7 is s2

[hot shell]

Player issue

[viral sorrel]

Whats it called?

[keen kindle]

Literally whirlwind tracker

[compact knot]

also if the garg grabs you it cancels you if you are mid demo cast

[hot shell]

Thats why you wait for the first Grab. Usually occurs ~5s after gargoyle got pulled

[pliant jackal]

like im not going to lose out on like 250k dps because you want to stand by yourself

[hot shell]

And if ranges are not in melee range by then, they can die. Who cares

[pliant jackal]

what if they are the healer lol

[hot shell]

Idk, flame him

There is not a Single hardcasting healer that has to stand in the back

Its the same with totems on last boss in caverns. If anyone feels like they have to drop the totem 200 Yards away, just let your inner dh take over

[pliant jackal]

yea

[keen kindle]

That shit makes me SO MAD

[nova vessel]

enha just humbled both of us

idk if bladestorm should be that low but tbf i hold it too much on some packs

[regal marten]

How is whirlwind so high

[nova vessel]

you gotta spam it now

[regal marten]

What fr?

Don't you wanna like BT/RB to get more Rampage?

Like rage

[nova vessel]

theorically

u use bt

while its on cd u spam ww and barely an rb until bt is up again

i dont think that rb is a good gcd but i still do it

but yeah ure supposed to use ww a lot while bt is on cd until it comes up again

[hardy cargo]

u ignore rb/cb in aoe

entirely

ww fkn cranks

this also assumes u have meat cleaver talented

[nova vessel]

but im pretty sure is not okay my bladestorm dmg

i hold it too much time

19 without route so yeah it hit gard

[nova vessel]

yep

i just use rb because force of habit sometimes lol

[regal marten]

But RB generates 12 rage no?

[nova vessel]

yea is not worth on aoe

is better of a filler on st

[languid willow]

oh hm this is w/o raid talents

[hardy cargo]

ww also generates rage

[regal marten]

3 rage

[nova vessel]

im saying i use it because of force ohf habit, doesnt mean its okay lol

[regal marten]

Over 8 rage from BT and 12 rage RB

[hardy cargo]

theres an extra bit there

u arent reading

[regal marten]

1s

[nova vessel]

check improved whirlwind talent

[hardy cargo]

per target hit u get an extra 1

[regal marten]

You mean about Meat Cleaver?

Wtf?

[nova vessel]

u got extra rage per target hit

that plus bt does the work to get to 100

[regal marten]

So if you hit 20 targets

[regal marten]

It's like 23 rage?

[hardy cargo]

no max of 8

[regal marten]

Oh

[hardy cargo]

or 12 with reck up

[regal marten]

Does Whirlwind count toward Slayer's Strike?

@hardy cargo

[nova vessel]

it should

[languid willow]

anyone with the sim of our mega bis?

[burnt oxide]

no, whirlwind itself does not trigger slayer strike

it does not have a primary target

[regal marten]

So your Imminent Demise barely procs

So you're sacrificing padding for it or

[burnt oxide]

you still press rampage, exe and bt in aoe

[regal marten]

Yea above we were talking that spamming whirlwind goated

But padding is not my forte

[stiff oriole]

put WW on your raging blow button and play as normal

[languid willow]

legit

[regal marten]

Yea but less rage and if it's like 12 targets it's split among them no?

[languid willow]

i think rb is a bare mininmum increase

[burnt oxide]

yes, dont fully spam WW, it is just rb replacement

[languid willow]

on st

that pressed ww

is almost equal

[unborn musk]

RBs deal too low damage.

Whirlwind is 346% effectiveness skill. On 7 targets that's 2422%

RBs are 604%. On 5 targets that's 2174%.
After 7 targets whirwind beats it.

Edit: on 7 targets whirls deal 17% less damage, so 2010%.

There is a target breakpoint where whirls beat RBs, just a Little bit higher than 7

[burnt oxide]

on st, the rage itself is important

[regal marten]

For example on PoS right you wanna kill a Lich fast. Do you spam ww instead of rb?

[hot shell]

That math cant work since ww deals less dmg after 5. What number % is it decreased by

[regal marten]

It's sqrt increase dmg

Split among all I think

But more rage more rampage more Reap of Storms

[unborn musk]

Right, 16% less on 7 targets

[olive wraith]

Difference of 3-8 rage isn’t that big

[regal marten]

I mean still again, I'm asking in this scenario: You have to kill Lich in PoS. Do you just spam WW to AoE, or CB/RB to generate more rage->more rampage and deal damage to the lich

Cause we have no funnel anyway. And the damage is split among all targets

[olive wraith]

You’re not really spamming ww

It’s like 1-2 presses

[regal marten]

After BT

[burnt oxide]

like one more than you would for WW buff

then press ww, cuz that wont be the difference

just make the lich your main target for everything else

[regal marten]

I think it would make a difference no?

Or Skyreach for big bird/ the tanky birds

Everyone is AoEing anyway and they die last

So you're trolling

[hardy cargo]

ww x 1.5 = rb dma

[regal marten]

With 1x Cruelty

[burnt oxide]

yes. cuz giving up decent aoe for wacking a mob with a singular wet noodle once

[hot shell]

If you care about prio target dmg play arms. The dmg of ww to rb in those specific situstions is neglectable

[olive wraith]

Isn’t rb barely ahead of ww in st

[regal marten]

It doesn't work like that

If you don't wanna pad you want more rampage and RB for focus

[burnt oxide]

you are most likely in reck anyways, why do you have rage problems

[unborn musk]

604% on RB vs 217% on whirl for single target.

[regal marten]

I mean in general

[olive wraith]

So it does like 5k more damage

[unborn musk]

You have 25 or so seconds where you are not. If you have no procs and everything is on CD you DPS tanks. (Very rare but it happens)

[regal marten]

But in a 15 target fight your dmg splits among all. I get we have no funnel but still prio dmg main target

If you watch it on logs you may get like 30k less dps cause of padding too

[hardy cargo]

ww is not split damaghe

[unborn musk]

Because there are better ST buttons to press (rampage, execute, BB)

[regal marten]

How the hell does it work beyond 5 targets then

[unborn musk]

The damage doesn't "split". You deal 1-sqrt(5/targets) LESS damage to each target after 5

[regal marten]

So 5 targets it's good dmg and the rest is that reduced dmg?

Or all of them

[unborn musk]

All of them

[regal marten]

So you're losing dmg

[unborn musk]

16% less damage per target on 7 targets

[regal marten]

Wtf

Then in MT you're giga trolling

Or

[hot shell]

Where do u even pull that number from

[olive wraith]

Wdym

[unborn musk]

If whirl deals 100 damage:

• 1 target -> 100 damage
• 5 tartets -> 500 damage (100 damage each)
• 7 targets -> 588 damage(84 damage per target)
• 20 targets -> 1000 damage (50 damage per target)

[regal marten]

Up the stairs after Gelemmus, you have like 20 targets. After they all die sure they die faster but the main guys who jump around just get left with 55% instead of 40% cause you didn't RB

[olive wraith]

That’s not gonna be a 15% differenc

[hot shell]

Who says you hit the other big guy with rb anyways

[unborn musk]

The cleave is not smart. It will cleave whatever it wants

[regal marten]

Ok maybe I ezagerated

But 5% it will be

[hardy cargo]

now do the math for

rb

at 5 targeets

and realize that ww does the same dam as rb above 3 targets and more at 5

[regal marten]

I mean at 5 sure but I was aaying you get more rampage for prio target

[hot shell]

Funny that you say that when someone just Mathed out 7

[unborn musk]

@hardy cargo ... ummm you need more than 7 targets to beat RBs

[hot shell]

Fact is: Furys kit is all about pad. You lose prio damage just by enabling aoe damage. And the ammount still is neglectible, its not gonna Shoot you up by 10k overall
If you feel like u want more prio dmg press rb, if u want slightly more pad press ww

[regal marten]

Yea I think it makes sense when u say it

With 1x cruelty maybe ww better

Or giga risk it for 2x

It depends how you wanna play ig then. But if your comp already funnels and the padding mobs die last the 5% more can help always. On the ww you deal legit half per target on 20 mobs so

Maisara you go miniboss he dies so late if you pull all room then

[hardy cargo]

based on my tooltips at 5 guys ww does more damage idk man ur math is incorrect or something

[regal marten]

Yea 5-7 ppl is better ww

Ty for telling me

Like it's giga

[hardy cargo]

ww doing 21k against 5 guys rb doing 26k when you factor in ww cleave reduction

ww better

its a ton

thats with 2x cruelty too

I always run 1 bc I want er

even at 3

its doing more

its pretty small but

its still doing more ur math is wrong

idk if u arent factoring in something but ww absolutely does more damage as soon as u hit 3 guys

(with meat cleaver)

[hardy cargo]

only ww dam was mathed out, not rb as well

or incorrectly I suppose xd

[hot shell]

🤷‍♂️

[hardy cargo]

I was i na key I missed a lot I know I saw something someone said about single target but that was never my postulation if thats what he was mathing idk

[hot shell]

I just want to know where he pulled the nunbers from. I cant find any info in the reduction of ww past 5 targets

[regal marten]

Yea but then 6 rage over 12

[hot shell]

Where did u pull the number 6 from now

[hardy cargo]

at 3 you can choose whichever u want like I said its small

[regal marten]

It seems hard to calculate the loss or gain from 20% chance of reap + dmg gain on rampage per rage genereted

[burnt oxide]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/aoe-in-patch-9-1-5-the-math-behind-aoe-soft-caps-and-square-root-scaling-324101#:~:text=Under the new rules%2C most abilities will now,much damage you'll deal with the new changes
i guess thats the newest info i can find for calc beyond targets

[unborn musk]

Yes, this one

[regal marten]

Yea but this class feels like minmaxxing as hard as u can

[hardy cargo]

as fury u just need to press buttons

[burnt oxide]

we need a bellcurve here

[hardy cargo]

ur putting too much thought into a niche scenario for ur rotation

[regal marten]

Yes but you can at least prevent not having any cds and have rampage

[hardy cargo]

6 rage on a couple of globals

is not going to make or break ur cdr or ramp usage

if u are gonna run out of enrage or something just fresh meat something

[regal marten]

Ya if it's new, it works sometimes

I'm just talking from past experience any rage you can muster goes a long way

[hot shell]

I need a god damn phd to understand this. All tables have different values

[hardy cargo]

I promise u are overthinking it the only case you possibly have is at 3 targets

in aoe just press ww > rb

(with meat cleaver)

[radiant plank]

Just refrs to this

[regal marten]

Ok wait so I think you gave me the idea of my new preference

Or nvm no

[hardy cargo]

in 2 target still press rb in 3 just swap to ww you wont even notice the rage especially in cds

and ur sniping executes anyways

[regal marten]

Sniping?

I'd rather save them for later or when I have nothing left

[olive wraith]

What?

[burnt oxide]

[hot shell]

Huh?

[hardy cargo]

?

[regal marten]

Yea when there is no abilities left you still have imminent demise

Unless target below 35 ig

[olive wraith]

Sudden death?

[hardy cargo]

sniping executes refers to executing any random mob in the pack within range of execute

[regal marten]

SD yea sorry

[olive wraith]

I hope you’re not sitting on SD stacks

[regal marten]

Only 1

[hardy cargo]

u send sd as soon as u have it

[olive wraith]

Friend

[regal marten]

Why?

[hardy cargo]

dont sit on it

[olive wraith]

Sd is really big

[hardy cargo]

bc it does a piss load of damage

[hot shell]

Which adds again on pad dmg and less prio dmg but more overall dmg

[hardy cargo]

with the free reap

[olive wraith]

It’s close to top prio lol

[regal marten]

But you save it for rage when you have nothing

[burnt oxide]

you can proc 2 in a single gcd, so you even might throw away some procs

[olive wraith]

Friend no

Imagine stressing about ww vs rb

When you’re not even sending sd

[hardy cargo]

sure but prio dam while you participate isnt your job necessarily

[hot shell]

Exactly

[hardy cargo]

like you do fine if you are sniping exes or not on the main guy

[hot shell]

Thats why i said furys whole kit is pad

[regal marten]

I had quite the dps be4 the buff

It worked well enough

[olive wraith]

You would have had more

[regal marten]

Ok what

Idk I just feel we want to get more rampage as we can

Managing rage is important

[olive wraith]

Sure

But you don’t hold sd for that

[regal marten]

Ok wait for 2 executooner stacks ig

Or 3 I forgot the cap

[hardy cargo]

no just press sd

[burnt oxide]

execute also gives you rage

[olive wraith]

Execute gives you the most rage

Doesn’t it

[burnt oxide]

25

yes

[unborn musk]

That become way harder without Plater coloring addon

[regal marten]

Okk for my rotation that's how I do it

Since I do rampage->bt->rb->exe->ww

[olive wraith]

You’re handicapping yourself

What

[regal marten]

I'd do more than noxiv

[olive wraith]

Rb above exe is wild

[regal marten]

Yea we talked about it

Dmg is better but I want rage

[hardy cargo]

atp has to be baiting

[burnt oxide]

but exe gives more rage

[hardy cargo]

I find its not that bad I just drag my mouse across the pack and have a macro that will cast it on mouseover

[olive wraith]

Bro discovered the best apl

[burnt oxide]

i do not like mouseover since midnight

[regal marten]

Maybe I'm crazy Idk

[burnt oxide]

feels kinda clunky idk

[olive wraith]

Yes

You are

[hot shell]

Did i just read

[regal marten]

Forgive me 😭

[olive wraith]

But go off king

[hot shell]

Rb>exe

Tf?

[burnt oxide]

[patent sinew]

Do share 😉

[hardy cargo]

I got one that will ast on main taarget if not mosing over anything and will do it on a mouseover if on a guy but I feel that ngl

[unborn musk]

That's what I do too, but it's harder on Thane without Massacre.

[hardy cargo]

#showtooltip execute
/cast [@mouseover, harm, nodead][harm,nodead] execute

oh yeah I dont play thane im a slayer 1 tricker

[patent sinew]

dankie 🙂

[burnt oxide]

well you could do that macro for bt aswell

[hardy cargo]

ya I do

[patent sinew]

i switched to slayer after the big buff and actually kinda prefer it

[burnt oxide]

small optimization, but i do not bother i just tab to them like a madman

[hardy cargo]

and when im feeling real good, I throw a little cancelarua ebon might in there

[hot shell]

Reminds me of that crazy kick macro with 30 lines that just replaces tab

[burnt oxide]

that interupt one

just press tab

[hot shell]

Thats the one im talking about

Also, who doesnt have a kickable mob in focus 24/7 anyways

[regal marten]

Okk wait so would you rather RB for Slayer's Strike

Or WW for padding

This is like would you rather

[unborn musk]

To capitalize on Vicious contempt?

Also, do you guys use the action target setting?

[hot shell]

Id WW if i wanted to max my possible dmg

[hardy cargo]

hell no I dont use that

that setting makes me feel icky

[burnt oxide]

Never heard of that setting

[burnt oxide]

And yes

[hot shell]

What does it do

[hardy cargo]

i8tll like auto target mobs u are looking at

[burnt oxide]

Ew

[hot shell]

So youre randomly targetshuffling?

[burnt oxide]

I do not even know where i am in the pull

How am i supposed to know what i am looking at

[hot shell]

Ew

[burnt oxide]

Jk

[patent sinew]

uh... the 2 set ring bonus from Nexus point.... only way we can proc it is with the gloves from Seat?.... got myth gloves in vault but considering taking extra roll >.<

[hot shell]

U can prox it with anything

Youre thinking of alleria neck

[burnt oxide]

You confuse that item with the crown neck

[regal marten]

More slayer strike more imminent demise

More imminent demise more bladestorm

[burnt oxide]

You dont even press your sd

How does that help

[patent sinew]

ohhhhhh cool, so i can just take gloves from vault as upgrade rather than risking roll then

[hardy cargo]

LMFAO

[regal marten]

Ok bro Idk what to say 😭

[woven valley]

Rings work on their own, I think the rings and the gloves can proc the neck from alleria

[regal marten]

You wanna compare rio

[woven valley]

I know the gloves can

[peak plaza]

does m+ droptimizer sim the nexus ring effect or nah?

[hot shell]

Pls flex

[regal marten]

Ya but on a dungeon it's 1 mil dmg overall. Negletable

[hot shell]

This better be good now

[burnt oxide]

I am here to ragebait

[patent sinew]

kk tyty

[regal marten]

I'm talking about Xsage

You are gucci

[burnt oxide]

Just post it

[hot shell]

I still wanna see you flex

[burnt oxide]

I do not really care

[hot shell]

Im a noob my Rio is shit dw

[burnt oxide]

I will tell you afterwards, that your rio could be higher

[regal marten]

3.8k

But tbh I played arms to get in keys

[burnt oxide]

Could be 3.9

[regal marten]

I'm just talking from the patters I saw in the 138583dungeons I did

[hot shell]

Well, why do u wanna play fury then if u dont hate arms

Arms has a better Profile

[regal marten]

It's technically better

I love slayer

[hot shell]

No, its not

[regal marten]

I join this channel to ask like the same question everytime

to minmax

[hot shell]

Hear me out

Prio damage saves time, not overall

[regal marten]

If you get procs well it's highest dps in the game

[regal marten]

I mean that's why I say RB over WW

[burnt oxide]

Gambling spec

[regal marten]

Exactly

Pulls with 350k no pots no bl

Maybe more

With -10-16 iLvL from what I have now

[hot shell]

My guy, rb over ww doesnt matter. If you play fury over arms you do not care about prio dmg enough for it to matter

There is a reason why arms is getting played more in higher keys

Theres a reason why arcane mage was bis for tww dungeons even tho the overall was bad

[regal marten]

I just said more slayer strikes more imminent demise, more Reap of Storms

Which is capped on 8 targets

Increases execute dmg and more prio dmg cause of slayer's

So if you want bigger details just ww I guess Idk how to explain it better

[hot shell]

I mean.. im not gonna tell you what to do since youre clearly better than me. But i would look at what players do that are better than me

[regal marten]

No but this is the idea to share ideas

I didn't know ww is better 3-5 targets

[hardy cargo]

your job as fury isnt to be the #1 prio damage doer

also rts is not hard capped at 8

its like ww

[compact knot]

reduced past 8

[hot shell]

Its softcapped at 8

[regal marten]

Yea reduced

[bitter palm]

its softcapped

[regal marten]

I meant

[hot shell]

Ww is softcapped at 5

[bitter palm]

isnt it crazy

that cleave is softcapped at 5

[regal marten]

+double the dmg

[peak plaza]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/compare/mGAxVknC7Q9TRych/hV2DAB3qr4LTwfQ7?fight=3%2C44&type=damage-done&source=2%2CXulron
is that why in this log f.e his reap is so much higher? more rb's?

[bitter palm]

me when my aoe button is 900000000% ap

[compact knot]

if it wasnt we would do 2.5 million dps as colossus on the first pull of algethar

so

[regal marten]

This is what I'm saying. More RB more imminent demise

[hardy cargo]

yeah I was thinking this but at 0330 I did not type it LMFAO

[regal marten]

Let me look

[bitter palm]

and still do 9 trillion dps to big lasher

[hot shell]

93rb casts is nothing

[peak plaza]

ye but other one has like 110

and 8mil more reap dmg

[hardy cargo]

well one guy had like 30 more sd procs

[compact knot]

i dont think using raging blow gives you more slayer strikes lmao...

[hardy cargo]

so thats part of it

[compact knot]

slayer strikes procs off auto attacks only

[regal marten]

No. It's about the same. It's dependant on tank pulls and route

But probably yea

When RB/BT is cd I do whirlwind

[hot shell]

Wording sucks.
Gloves from seat says Auto attacks
Slayer strike says attacks
Npx says attacks and abilities

WHAT IS IT

[regal marten]

This blizzard

Just make reap of storms on RB

[peak plaza]

will try that next time ty

[regal marten]

THEY KNOW WHAT TO BE CHANGED

[compact knot]

gloves is chance off autos only
ss is chance off autos only
npx is attacks and abilities

[hot shell]

Why would there be 2 different wordings for the same thing

[burnt oxide]

Need a source for ss, never payed attention

[compact knot]

because the seat gloves came out in like 2015 or smth

and slayer strikes came out in 2024 or smth

9 year difference

i just made numbers up but

[burnt oxide]

Attacks refer to melee abilities and autos

[hot shell]

Im almost certain ss triggers from normal abilites

If i get the Sound at the same time i press execute i notice it, and i do not believe that it just happen to be at the exact swingtimer

[burnt oxide]

And the ring includes abilities because they proc from casts aswell

[regal marten]

Why would it change from last season btw? Why press SD on proc and not on 2 stacks/ 3 executioner's/ towards the end or when no rage

Maybe I'm missing something

Even guide says it

[compact knot]

hmm strange but i am wrong

ss doesnt even proc off autos lmao

interesting

yeah idk this shit is a mess

[hot shell]

Im p sure itll also be procced from ww then

[compact knot]

yeah it should

[burnt oxide]

It does not

[compact knot]

sudden death also doesnt proc from autos

[burnt oxide]

Because ww has no primary target

[burnt oxide]

You might loose some procs if you hold, due to demise and sd proccing simulationously, can be circumvented by tracking demise

[hot shell]

Well

Essy solution

[hardy cargo]

because this season sd procs reap, and rb doesnt

[hot shell]

@regal marten go to Training dummies and do nothing but ww.
Since ss doesnt procc from Autos appearanrly if it ever proccs.. u got the answer

[hardy cargo]

and execute does a lot more damage

[compact knot]

im so lost

so SS doesnt proc from whirlwind

but SD does

lmfao

[hot shell]

That does make sense

[burnt oxide]

Because SD

"your attacks*

[regal marten]

Isn't imminent demise talent and sd is what it procs

Am I dumb

[compact knot]

hmm

ss does say primary target

[hot shell]

SD doesnt say Primary target, ss does

[burnt oxide]

Yesnt, sd can proc naturally and demise after 3 SS, which can occur during same gcd window

Which, atleast for me, happens a few times

[regal marten]

What

Which talents says that besides imminent

[hardy cargo]

the actual sudden death talent

no?

[compact knot]

cleave procs SS

xdd

[regal marten]

I'm so dumb

1s

Yea but ok

Imminent demise talent says suddent death procs reap

So it doesnMt matter which procs

[dusky cipher]

What are most people currently playing? Thane or Slayer?

In M+

[peak plaza]

top 50 from murlok, do with that what you will both hero specs are good

[dusky cipher]

Yeah interesting. I did think that slayer seemed to be used more, probably due to its playstyle

[regal marten]

This is how I like to say it: play Slayer on keys you know you have time to Bladestorm per pull

NXP you can't

For example

You need overwhelm on all targets from beggining or you lose a lot of dps

[flat river]

crests are uncapped now?

[bitter palm]

yes

[burnt oxide]

It is more about, are u able to not overcap if you hold a charge

[regal marten]

I mean again we have different rotations so it's w/e

I ask the night owls later ig

[burnt oxide]

Ye the questions is because you have a different prio

That problem does not occur else

[regal marten]

Yk I understand the idea of padding

But it's just that you'd be of much more use with slayer strike procs

Even if details are low

I did Ezorakk only sent on bosses. There were other classes to funnel orbs

And was almost highest on boss dmg

As an example

[burnt oxide]

I did talk about missing out on sd procs and therefore exe casts...

[steel shard]

lmao fuck dragons

just play ST on that fight

let the dev DHs 1 shot the adds

[regal marten]

Link again pls

I'm fury chat maxxing and university

[regal marten]

Ya I wanted a beat of high logs so I played meat cleaver hehe

[steel shard]

idk i personaly play arms on all bosses

[regal marten]

I think I was #6 world

[steel shard]

better damage profile in the first place

[regal marten]

Arms paladij goes crazy

[steel shard]

should be crazy boss dam on dragons as well

[regal marten]

But example: Aleria last 35% I think you'd be of much better use as Thane

[steel shard]

with perma SS

[regal marten]

I think Thane 2 targets better than Arms

[steel shard]

the frick

[regal marten]

Or maybe equal

[steel shard]

no shot

if thats the case they need to buff arms more lmao

[regal marten]

I need to watch some logs with no parse on adds

But you are giga on 3 adds

2 adds you just get demolish that's it

So you kinda trolling

[steel shard]

nono like

you play slayer arms

not the cringe colo pad build

[regal marten]

Your max dmg is like WS dps on the couple

Oh slayer arms

Why

[steel shard]

why not

the smol adds die anyhow

[regal marten]

You don't get reap procs

[steel shard]

wdym you dont get reap procs

[burnt oxide]

Not from cleave

[regal marten]

Yea

[steel shard]

yea i dont press cleave

[burnt oxide]

But still from sd exe

[steel shard]

i dont talent it even

[burnt oxide]

Yes

[regal marten]

Idk how good ST slayer arms is

But 2 targets I'd say thane

[steel shard]

the only thing i slap on is SS from colo

thats it

[regal marten]

especially bcs you're more useful towards 35% when you spam BT over and over with po

2nd pot

[steel shard]

if that beats arms SS execute spam

[regal marten]

Or maybe yea you can say you are more useful bringing to down there

[steel shard]

this game is bricked

[regal marten]

Show me your boss dmg I compare it to my thane

Or the log you killed it dm it

[steel shard]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/46?boss=3178&metric=bossdps&class=Warrior

its legit all arms

3 fury in top 100

and the top fury is playing slayer

not thane

[steel shard]

thats not how you look at stuff like this lol

[regal marten]

Oh wait fck

1s

I can't look on phone

Can you check if they kept the add alive

For Arms

[steel shard]

they did not

[regal marten]

Wtf

On replat I mean

Replay

[compact knot]

ME MENTIONED

[steel shard]

again

they did not keep the add alive

that would be dogshit for ST because SS would it it instead of the boss

as well

[compact knot]

fury on 2t will never even be remotely close to arms

lmao

[steel shard]

ikr

i was so confused what this guy was on about

"thane is really good 2t better than arms"

[compact knot]

it will never be better

[steel shard]

it SHOULD never be better

prob at the start if this terrible patch it was

before execute got buffed by idk 150%

[regal marten]

Yea didn't know Slayer Arms was this gigachad 2 target

[compact knot]

colossus and slayer both are way better

its not just slayer

sweeping strikes is a very very very good button!

much better then whirlwind

[steel shard]

100% damage on a second target

kinda crazy

[compact knot]

yeah and its like 80% uptime

[steel shard]

used to be what

60% or some shit

but for 12 seconds

[compact knot]

smth like that

its been buffed quite a bit

[steel shard]

(still behind warlock)

[restive ridge]

Ok, I tried slayer fury yesterday in m+.
How the hell are there so many fury wars that do abysmal boss damage? Fury surprised me yesterday , it slaps

[compact knot]

and you can prepull it as well now

[compact knot]

eh if the fight was slightly different i feel like arms would look better

[steel shard]

i still think arms is undertuned

idk how arms is not like

[regal marten]

On what bro

[steel shard]

giga ahead on 2 targets

[compact knot]

sweep can get eaten by orbs

[steel shard]

Sweep is crazy

[steel shard]

warrior in general is undertuned

[compact knot]

i feel like i can get r1 on that boss for boss dps very easily

the kill time matters so much

[steel shard]

just tell them to lust 35% as well

🐲

[compact knot]

frost mage is good at 1 thing and it should be what arms is good at

sadge

[regal marten]

Colossus best phys flat dmg no

[steel shard]

what

phys flat dmg?

[compact knot]

in what context

in m+ sure maybe

[regal marten]

M+

[steel shard]

no

[compact knot]

slayer arms is pretty close though

[steel shard]

you play slayer arms

in keys now

because colo does 60k on bosses

[compact knot]

ehh

[steel shard]

and slayer arms does 90k

[regal marten]

Are u mad

[compact knot]

colossus is better in some keys still

imo

and colo is like 15% tankier perma

which matters

[regal marten]

Only Skyreach maybe

[compact knot]

nah not only skyreach

[steel shard]

you rather have a feral to carry the shit mobs aoe

[compact knot]

slayer shreds in aa

[regal marten]

What else

[steel shard]

you lose way to much ST

playing colo

[regal marten]

I rather play comb with ST

In AA 1st boss I have 75k colossus cause haste buff etc

Good enough

[compact knot]

the overalls are very very similar on both specs

[regal marten]

Rest you funnel into boss

Like

[steel shard]

overall damage is bait

[regal marten]

Tell tank to play route for arms bro

[compact knot]

yes obviously

[steel shard]

it´s such a dumb way to look at what spec is good

[compact knot]

i agree but in this scenario with arms it isnt really

[regal marten]

Tell me a key besides skyreach not good for arms

[steel shard]

what?

[regal marten]

Like you'd pref slayer over colossus

I meant

[compact knot]

AA

[regal marten]

First boss you just haste and bl gg rest you funnel

[steel shard]

if you cant bring funnel into a boss

basicly

[regal marten]

Wdym

[compact knot]

both specs funnel

lmao

[steel shard]

it hurts colo

[compact knot]

they funnel almost the same amount

[steel shard]

way more than slayer tho

[compact knot]

yes

[steel shard]

like colo does omega dog ST without funnel

while slayer is still not bad

[compact knot]

both hero talents funnel for around the same dps, but when you cant funnel slayer does significantly more st

[regal marten]

2nd boss AA you can bring the small adds

3rd boss last echoknights

[steel shard]

in what bro

your weekly 10s?

[compact knot]

in a 10 sure

lmao

[steel shard]

ikr

[compact knot]

if you bring echo knights for funnel in a +20 the key is bricked

[steel shard]

thats is way to much fucking damage

and those swords swirling around

[regal marten]

I'll check shaihu replay

[steel shard]

and idk those adds will be alive for what

the first 20% of the boss?

[regal marten]

Maybe I'm wrong but I saw that route

[compact knot]

shaihu has stated that he just prefers colossus over slayer before

doesnt really mean its better

[regal marten]

Yea also my pref too

Okk give me a sec ig

[steel shard]

who is shaihu even

[compact knot]

he has been rank 1 arms in io for awhile now

i think some random guy popped up and past him though

actually hes rank 1 again

nvm

he switched to slayer for AA

good

actually he has been playing slayer for awhile now

his overall went down slightly but his boss dps is just way better lmao

[steel shard]

still not timed a single 23

meanwhile aug comp timed a 24

[compact knot]

+7k boss dps -20k overall

im taking the boss dps

[steel shard]

frfr

[compact knot]

especially in that comp with a feral who just kills everything

but then does 0 on bosses

[bitter palm]

managable kinda

u can pull thei nvokers

[steel shard]

yea thats how phys comp works

the feral is for the aoe pump

the rest is prio target and boss damm

[bitter palm]

a benefit colo has

is that its invinicble

u basically have perma 15% dr for free

[compact knot]

yup

im ngl

i still think slayer is squishy

[steel shard]

i do die a lot more on the slayer than the DK

but dk is cheating

[bitter palm]

slayer needs

to dstance maxx

[steel shard]

you cannot ever die

on a dk

[bitter palm]

the only way i die on colo

is if demolish kills me

[compact knot]

yeah they pull invokers instead of knights

[bitter palm]

ye

knights on boss is

uhh

interesting

doable but interesting

[peak plaza]

i saw noxiv running thane in his seat 22's and 23's, is that just for tankiness?

[bitter palm]

u wait till theyre low

survive both smashes

then pull

[verbal bane]

Do I always hold OF and Avatar so they sync up?

[bitter palm]

we were doing it in 18s back when 19 was the highest

[steel shard]

i only got resi 20

[compact knot]

i need to lock in

i have 5 free days of noting to get resil 21s

[steel shard]

we play the most scuffed shit tho lmao

warrior/ret/aug/bear/mw/

just whoever is online

[compact knot]

yeah no shaman

just go next

ur aug needs to go ele

[steel shard]

yea thats why i am mostly on the dk

[compact knot]

aug -> ele = godcomp

[peak plaza]

is sham buff also crazy for fury?

[steel shard]

no

[compact knot]

not nearly as much as arms

or ret

[peak plaza]

haven't simmed but do you know how much %

[steel shard]

godcomp is brew/rshaman/warrior/feral/ret or rogue

[compact knot]

also your gameplay doesnt really change as fury

[steel shard]

or something like that

[compact knot]

its like 11% for colossus in aoe, then on st for slayer its like 10%

idk fury though

both those numbers are for arms

[steel shard]

fury does not care at all

[burnt oxide]

We like the mastery

[steel shard]

it´s just for the mastery

[burnt oxide]

But yea

[compact knot]

yeah i mean the gameplay for arms literally changes if you have windfury or not

fury plays the exact same

[peak plaza]

i just swap to fury if no windfury in group

[compact knot]

yeah thats a good idea

[steel shard]

i just log dk

death grip is goated

[compact knot]

op button

[steel shard]

dks complaining that death grip is not a real raidbuff

[compact knot]

ams op button

[steel shard]

ams is so fucking

[compact knot]

death advance op button

[steel shard]

crazy

and the horse from the hero talent

[burnt oxide]

Grip is either just useless or the best button ever in raids

[compact knot]

lura is killable with no dks now

but jeez

[steel shard]

yea my semi pug killed crown last week so

[compact knot]

that boss was like 1-2 required before the nerf

[steel shard]

into march we go

[compact knot]

maybe not required but certainly a whole lot less consistent

[steel shard]

death pact is kinda bonkers as well

50% of max hp heal instantly

not to mention death strike

[burnt oxide]

The one i never talent into?

[steel shard]

and just the passive DR

[steel shard]

why not lol

i just put it on my healthstone bind

[compact knot]

wowhead builds stay away from that button

but its good

[steel shard]

wowhead builds

oooooooooof

[compact knot]

yeah they dont like talenting into it

[burnt oxide]

I dont think its bad

But i rarely talent it

[steel shard]

they also pick

coil of devestation right

[burnt oxide]

But i did not play dk in midnight yet

Only prepatch

[compact knot]

in m+ spec yes

[steel shard]

yea

you should not

you pick that 5% dam for 15 sec when you press DT

[compact knot]

isnt that like

really good boss dps

[steel shard]

idk all the top dks

dont play it

[compact knot]

ig the dk is the overall killer

in most groups

[steel shard]

no?

it just that

incarn syncs up with army

in higher keys

and you never pull witout incarn so

in 20s dks get kinda cucked

becuase you get your cds like 20-30 seconds into the next pull

while i think dev dh is just an uptime spec

[compact knot]

isnt army syncing with incarn

like really good

for the dk

[steel shard]

yes

because again

you dont start pulling without incarn

because the bear just dies

[compact knot]

hmm ic

idk i dont play that shit comp

[steel shard]

this is like 22+ tho i think

does not happens on 20s atleast

the packs die to quick

[steel shard]

look at phys comp lmao

this comp is currently

2 keys lvls aheada

[compact knot]

yeah but it has a augvoker

so its SHIT

iykwim

[steel shard]

yea i mean

i agree

delete aug

[loud sky]

Rerolled from Fury to Arms because of the higher damage profile. I got to +18s but couldn’t time any of them, got tilted, and respecced back to Fury while still using my Arms gear. Then I timed three +18s. WTF. Now I need mastery

[steel shard]

you dont deplete 18s because your dps is low

you must just not be pressing your buttons correctly

or the tank is pulling 1 pack at a time

[burnt oxide]

You can deplete because low, but that need to be so obviously subpar, that you should not step into 18s in the first place

[bitter palm]

surely its more worth to spend crests for big pieces cause discount on alt

than 80 for offhand

[loud sky]

True, but I’m not saying my damage is low. It’s just that Fury might be my calling, especially since I’m pugging all the time. I’d rather commit to the spec I actually play well enough to time keys with. I only rerolled to Arms for a better chance at getting invites

[bitter palm]

slayer arms doesnt care about pugs

or funnel

or anything

[peak plaza]

it does care about windfury

[bitter palm]

and it has a superior dmg profile

u can just play the non skyfury build

@compact knot played it in a 20

[compact knot]

its miserable but still fine

[bitter palm]

still better than fury

[compact knot]

yeah

[unborn musk]

Your tier set always ensures your OF will be available at least once during avatar, so no need to hold

[verbal bane]

Ah, okey! Thanks!

[sullen dove]

@young swan u gettin Nicole and durin for your Varka bubby

just got both of them and prune but my god gonna take a fuckin month to lvl them up

forgot how turbo ass leveling characters are let alone 3

[strange drift]

im fine with that

[pallid brook]

Oi

Shit vault

But i got an upgrade doe that ill roll next week undoubtedly

[vague stump]

pit 20. going into 1st boss 270k overall dps aint low as thane right?

[strange drift]

https://tenor.com/view/mo7rib-lg-mo7rib-999-cry-basketball-trophies-gif-15705766585803776495

[dusky cipher]

Why is it that Arms is doing better when Fury sims better? How much better is arms doing than fury?

Im fairly new to War so genuinely interested in understanding it all

[static edge]

so, MT or SLayer for 18 + keys?

[bitter palm]

better damage profile

and u cant sim m+

[stiff topaz]

guys anyone know if these keep their tertiaries if u catalyze em? special item from luura

[surreal wedge]

I just wish fury was better single target and had uncapped aoe lol

All items keep tertiary effects if cata'd yes

[burnt oxide]

Just throw it in the catalyzer and it shows

Before you use it

[mossy fox]

yes the guaranteed leech stays this time

unlike previous items like this

[stiff topaz]

ty vm!

[forest vortex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/afNE5PZwUNAdK6J74QgAbD why does my sim cast whirlwind so rarely? should it cast it every other 4 casts of ST abilities?

[burnt oxide]

Yes, but the sim also include dungeon bosses

In which you dont

We sim with patchwerk 5targets or st, but dungeon slice is kinda meh

[summer bluff]

Hey i have a question:

Currently i'm at 22% crit 28% haste and 35% mastery unbuffed, is my stats balance okay?

Im asking because I was just told i have way too much crit

[burnt oxide]

could have more mastery and bit less haste, but best thing is always to sim yourself and your gear possibilities

[summer bluff]

Thanks, what about my crit, is it okay?>

[burnt oxide]

around 18-20ish should be fine

but always sim

[summer bluff]

Gotcha

[burnt oxide]

there is no fully correct answer without simming, can change with alot of factors

[grand vale]

take the bis list and look at the stat distribution

that is roughly your goal

the distribution, not the actual values

[summer bluff]

Speaking of which, where is our BIS list lol

[grand vale]

wowhead

[burnt oxide]

somewhere on wowhead

[grand vale]

archims guide

[burnt oxide]

i tend to ignore it, because bis is only bis if you have everything

[summer bluff]

oh so not method.gg

[grand vale]

bis is bis because the stat distribution is perfect

[burnt oxide]

cantrip and trinkets

[grand vale]

given the available gear

[burnt oxide]

so not fully true

[grand vale]

Trinkets yes

[burnt oxide]

but is a good start for a rough estimate

[grand vale]

but they are also distributed stats somewhat

at least gaze is for sure

[grand vale]

What's cantrip?

i know cantrip from dnd but wow

no idea

[burnt oxide]

effects that are added on top of items but dont take from the stat budget

like ring set

or gloves

[grand vale]

ah

[burnt oxide]

or neck

[grand vale]

voidclaw

[burnt oxide]

zum beispiel

[grand vale]

seat gloves for example

okay verstehe

[burnt oxide]

gut

[grand vale]

danke sehr

der herr

[burnt oxide]

keine ursache

[grand vale]

It takes quite a while to sim a bis list doesnt it? You need to combine all the items with each other and sim for each combination

[burnt oxide]

yes

you also might have different lists based on situation

[grand vale]

especially when they patch stuff to change the stat weights

[burnt oxide]

and you have to evaluate for multiple

[grand vale]

then you need to sim everything again

[burnt oxide]

rarely happens

stat weights mostly shifts due to having more overall stats later on

so not really midseason

[grand vale]

without simming it gets really complicated to choose the stat

because like with too low haste value you will skew your rotation for enrage uptime which is less of a problem the higher your haste gets

or procs on crits etc

like we had in the past

iirc we had enrage proc on certain skill crits

[burnt oxide]

you have it on mop, it procs on bt crit

and bt has double crit

so you want everything crit until you reach 51.5

(mop has crit supression on boss)

(also technically not optimal, there is a sweetspot where mastery is better)

[grand vale]

i remember that vaguely

mop was fun

so was being a child, i still wouldn't want to be a child again

people that played the entire stuff and now go back to classic are beyond me tbh

[burnt oxide]

mop is just raidlogging, and the classes and raid is fun

but they last way too long rn, current raid lasts longer than in original mop

[grand vale]

it was also part of the challenge we didnt have all those tools back then imo

now people look up meta shit, sim everything, they don't do much on their own anymore

[burnt oxide]

you have both groups

but also not using easily accessible resources to not actively hindering your group is just

[grand vale]

Well you're hindering yourself

actually

[burnt oxide]

yes

[grand vale]

but that's another story

[burnt oxide]

but you are not playing solo

so you hinder everyone

[grand vale]

i'm a teacher, so it's just sad

[burnt oxide]

in your raid

and i dont speak about perfect rotation and gear

[grand vale]

less and less people using their own brain

taking everything from the web and if they can't, they're screwed

[burnt oxide]

i see that more for retail tbh, with very repetitive questions which could be answered by just reading some of your talents

[grand vale]

that too yeah

[burnt oxide]

rarely happens on classic discord in comparisson

[grand vale]

Sometimes though, people are afraid they're missing something

even when they read first

anyways time to check my vault

Got home from work and i'm an eu pleb just like you

[burnt oxide]

i woke up like 2 hours before my alarm rang, so i kinda already opened

[summer bluff]

I opened my vault today and cried

but on the brightside got my BIS voidcleaver

bonus rolled it

[grand vale]

If i don't get it in the vault i will get it this week too

Only three rolls left in terrace

will be a huge upgrade for me, i only have hero weapons

Fury is just 2nd spec

[burnt oxide]

yeah terrace is goat for bonusrolls on fury

only thing i do not have is boots from there