fury

[quiet breach]

shift 5 is easier for me than v by ALOT

lol

[dim spindle]

4-t-g-b is my "wall", no further east

It would probably be better to move that over 1 row to the left and add some modifiers but that takes effort

[undone flower]

T is my health pot

[quiet breach]

it is important that you have comfortable binds on a high apm spec or ur shit is gonna cramp mid raid

[dim spindle]

How to prevent eyeball cramps

That's kinda my sign to stop nowadays

even got some visine but it only does so much

So... I just stahp

[undone flower]

I once put revenge on prot on shift + button 5, it was bad really quick

[dim spindle]

ew

Sounds very masochistic

[smoky crescent]

should I be running slayer on crown?

[opaque mortar]

I think thats the recc

single target other than small adds in p2 that get cleaved real easy

p1 adds dont even count

[floral frigate]

@worn yoke I got the gloves in the vault 🙂 GL though!

[foggy pine]

hey guys from update note we can see that thane fury is the best but what is the true ? I saw that people play fury slayer on keys

[spring needle]

I've had to change my keybinds and anchor my resource bar to my cursor so I never have to look down to play this spec lol

[undone flower]

Both

They have their strength / weaknesses, now slayer is playable

[foggy pine]

actually i'm doing 15/16 keys and sometimes I'm behind so i'm actually thinking about soms changes

[undone flower]

Behind what ?

[hardy cargo]

yeah dunno why they just killed the talent for fun

[undone flower]

Like the 2nd dps does 30% more than you ?

[foggy pine]

yes

[undone flower]

And you play slayer or thane ?

[foggy pine]

i play thane every time

[undone flower]

It shouldn’t happen unless they are 20 more ilvl than you

[foggy pine]

ok I see so i got rotation issue

[undone flower]

Yeah it’s not the hero talent that will have that big dps swing

You can still try slayer, both are fine

None will have you 30% under the second dps

[worn yoke]

the windrunnner spire was done like 4-5 weeks ago pre buff and low gear so ignore that. But most of the others are fairly recent. I think i topped every run, and these are all as slayer too. In hindsight i'd say that Thane is better for Magisters definitely, and a maybe in Maisara and Nexus Point

Fury is slapping plenty hard

[foggy pine]

ok nice !

[undone flower]

Magister jellyfish boss as thane

[foggy pine]

here is the example for me

[undone flower]

Here the surv among surv players is way better than you among fury players

In key%

[bitter palm]

Magister jellyfish boss as arms

real

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove 👉 🕐

[undone flower]

Thunderclap hitting all 5

[bitter palm]

humble 300k hs on 2t from fob

and 200k cleave

[sudden tusk]

are you hitting him with the fuckin doom rabbit or what

[dapper goblet]

he's late to streaming

[sudden tusk]

are they OTing today too

thought they start at like 7 est

[dapper goblet]

no clue

he's late regardless

[toxic jewel]

https://klipy.com/gifs/penguinz0-moistcritikal-5Fy--k01KRA7GFR584AR6TGJ75BGCAVS

[covert blaze]

@sullen dove

[sudden tusk]

maybe they no raid today

no logs up

[sullen dove]

Told xeos yesterday it’s in 2 days

non reading pig or what

clock activates tomorrow agane

[sudden tusk]

Xeos -2

[sullen dove]

My msg with your intermission spreads has been flat out ignored for like 3 days not a soul has typed in that channel since I posted

🔥

[sullen dove]

Are you fictioning

[sudden tusk]

still ghost hunting

soon tho

[dapper goblet]

silence trial piggy

[sullen dove]

real

[sudden tusk]

whats my man on trial for

what he do

[bitter palm]

@sullen dove is fantastic, just needs to work on offensive cooldowns, defensives, positioning, rage management, inverse gravity spread, healthstone flicks, dark energy spots, dragonriding, add damage, reverse gravity positions, rally ability, leap aim, shadowquake control and getting dimensius kills

[brittle crow]

bad dragonriders piss me off

nobody knows how to do it right except Me

[woven valley]

https://tenor.com/view/pursuer-ds2-gif-9704957382379013342

I’m more of a pursuer main myself

[brittle crow]

🔥

[unborn musk]

Thane(me, 280 ilvl) vs Slayer(Ja, 281 ilvl). MT+10. biggish pulls. had 13 minutes left on the timer. They seem to be pretty much equal

[bitter palm]

peak souls 2 mentioned

[woven valley]

Real and true ds2 paved the way for all that is souls imo

[bitter palm]

did u see allegedly ds1 2 3 are getting remakes

i dont see why ds3 needs one but man if they ungut the gutter and shit

hooooooly

[willow knoll]

sup

how can i sim fury slayer

[surreal wedge]

I hate how I can pull like 150k aoe, but like 50k ST lol

[willow knoll]

1,30 min 8 targets patchwork?

[surreal wedge]

I feel like I'm doing something crazy wrong

but idk what

[fickle vector]

Curious if anyone else is getting sims to suggest haste and crit now? I built my toon around mastery haste and now it’s having me gem for eagle shit

Here’s my current build https://raider.io/characters/us/stormrage/Derwiin

[pearl sequoia]

Yea pretty normal

[undone flower]

Eagle eye is the best enchant for almost all specs since they buffed it in .5

3 weeks ago

[unborn musk]

What ilvl?

[surreal wedge]

263

4 piece one mythic weapoon shit trinks

[unborn musk]

Ok, that's to be expected

Even at 280 I can't say I'm pumping more than 62-63k on the dummy(my sim is 68k with nothing except battle cry)

[compact wraith]

Looks like...fury thane is higher ST and MT than arms colossus MT and arms slayer ST after the hotfix?

Can I finally go back to fury or

[olive wraith]

You coulda stayed even before buffs. Colo still has higher ceiling for keys but fury is fine

[compact wraith]

Noice. I just see arms all over S tier on archon and so much more represented in high keys on warcraftlogs etc etc

[frigid geyser]

at this point its still worth to craft a 285 weapon? or should i just go for 2 myth weps

with bonus rolls

[neat gazelle]

in seat those circlse on you in beginning

is there anything we can use to get rid of that

[snow edge]

The Berserker Rage talent upgrade that removes snares etc.

[bitter palm]

berserker shout with fearless

slayer with bladestorm or charge

with the slayer talent

[wind ether]

gnome racial

1 min cd

aswell

[smoky vale]

@bitter palm im free

[undone flower]

failed

[bitter palm]

from what

resil 21 awaits

[smoky vale]

i got 20 aa

[smoky vale]

how did we fail

[bitter palm]

ye i can tell

[smoky vale]

bro

[bitter palm]

but

where 21 aa

[smoky vale]

cluegi

[undone flower]

fuck aa

[bitter palm]

id rather not

[median dust]

Don’t get old boys. Arthritis isn’t kind😂

[neat gazelle]

SLAYER fury?

[unborn musk]

What would your 2nd weapon be, I mean, there is only one Haste/Mastery two-hander in M+, and getting a myth two-hander from raid is incovenient

[frigid geyser]

TY

[woven valley]

Too late ⏰

[lean heart]

this boss is awesome

[mellow smelt]

do we sim AOE with dungeon slice or patchwerk 5+ targets?

[sly merlin]

patch

[bleak bluff]

guys
long time ago when playing fury the max damage of a weapon mattered.
Does this still matter or can we just put any item in our main/off hand

[silk wharf]

In short, no, it doesn't matter.
But differing damage ranges do exist, they are just cosmetic.

[sullen dove]

[compact knot]

im on the way

[silk wharf]

Very nice.

[smoky vale]

explode

[compact knot]

had to cover up the SR

[bleak bluff]

thabks for your reply
much appreciate it!

[median dust]

What do you mean? No way does the transmog of your weapon impact range. Maybe I misunderstood you lol

[unborn musk]

The weapon ranges are all uniform and have the same average overall

[median dust]

Ok. I wouldn’t have been surprised though

[unborn musk]

In short, it doesn't matter if your weapon does 200-300 damage or 100-400, they have the same 250 average

[languid flower]

I'm a item level 255 alt Fury Warrior, and I'm planning to use all 6 bonus rolls in Mythic+. Can you recommend the best dungeons for me?

[brittle crow]

magisters, probably

https://voidcoreplanner.pages.dev/

[languid flower]

OMG, Thx God

[languid flower]

Thx Bro

[silk wharf]

"Cosmetic" in the sense that they do exist, but don't matter, like transmogs.

[silk wharf]

This seems to have a glaring flaw. It is valuing myth upgrades way too highly. It is telling me Seat is my best roll target simply because it has a bunch of items that could upgrade to myth in the slots.

[brittle crow]

because myth is a huge upgrade, yea

strength is ur best stat

[silk wharf]

While PoS has insane upgrades and half the loot pool.

[undone flower]

Idk if pit is a good dungeon to roll as fury

[silk wharf]

Oh, sorry. I loaded my lock but the point remains.

[brittle crow]

no the hell it doesnt u loaded ur lock

locks love pit

so it was right lol

[silk wharf]

No, it isn't recommending pit

It is recommending seat.

In fact, it has pit 6th

[brittle crow]

if pit is 6th, it must have a good reason

[undone flower]

Not rly

[brittle crow]

its not gonna recommend dungeons that are gonna give u slots u already have filled

cuz thatd be mostly a wasted roll

[undone flower]

If it just look the dungeon with the most myth upgrades and miss the point of chasing special stuff like nexus rings etc

[silk wharf]

Yea, any "myth" upgrade is 50 points. It says at the top. And seat is overloaded with loot.

[brittle crow]

nexus rings get outsimmed by good stats of the same ilvl

[undone flower]

Does it take into account you have 6 rolls ?

[silk wharf]

Its set at 2

[brittle crow]

its set at whatever u want

thats something u change

[undone flower]

No shot it suggest seat with 2 rolls

[undone flower]

Yeah I mean it’s pretty bad to suggest a dungeon with bunch of trash loots with 2 rolls

[brittle crow]

score 137? thats extremely low

a "good" dungeon would score like

500-600 or more

[silk wharf]

It has pit at 52, idk

[brittle crow]

so you just dont have any good dungeons to use ur rolls on lol

which is fine

[silk wharf]

I mean, yea. That much I know.

[undone flower]

Which ones ?

[brittle crow]

idk, all i know is that thats how it works out for me

we dont use the 2pc rings, we use good stats

[undone flower]

You know they are good stats rings

[brittle crow]

the light one aint our stats, no?

[undone flower]

Haste/mastery, crit/haste

[brittle crow]

the proc is prob just barely any dps then

aaaaaaaa

[fading sky]

we do use 2p rings

they are pretty good until u can get the absolute bis ring from last boss of the raid no ?

[pearl sequoia]

yup

[brittle crow]

l'ura ring isnt even absolute bis

wait

[fading sky]

it got 2 sockets

[brittle crow]

im slow

[fading sky]

it wins

[brittle crow]

either way, dont u use the shadow ring + plat star band

thats what i do and i just never put any thought into the fact that i could be wrong

[fading sky]

i mean most fury warriors

use the set

it kindda cranks ngl

it has some decent highrolls

[pearl sequoia]

the set rings will usually sim highest in st sims (outside of bis), 5 targets ive seen some alternates

[pallid brook]

Man

I cant even play dis some bullshi

Is our one button rotation any good

[willow delta]

Just pulled 202k overall in a 19 mt on fury slayer using ruin

Felt really freaking fun

[brittle crow]

do u need to do cancelaura stuff

[willow delta]

I'm not aware of any necessary cancel auras, fury bladestorm is fast enough to greed it when arms couldn't get away with it or especially a demo

[gentle badge]

I think they meant cancel aura on rampaging ruin

I saw that somewhere that it might be a thing to cancel but I didn’t look into it at all

[fair solstice]

something about st damage with rampaging ruin talent

[fiery edge]

The void light set?

[fading sky]

yeah ? the one that does dmg

[fiery edge]

How much is the dps increase?

[timid tide]

Im tempted to try RR as slayer. I've been doing some low key runs with slayer just to see how it goes.
Cancel aura is for st/fewer mobs

[gentle badge]

What is the cancel aura? If you don’t have WW buff it does it’s normal st value

[tight roost]

Yeah

[fiery edge]

Da heck is even the aura cancel, just press rampage

[tight roost]

And do wet noodle st dmg

[fiery edge]

We’re at the bottom so it’s fine

[timid tide]

With RR you do less st dmg with rampage, coz it basically has an aoe buff and st nerf. you cancel aura for ww it does regular rampage. So with RR build you use both versions of rampage

[gentle badge]

But it only does less damage if you have WW buff, why cancel aura if you don’t have WW buff?

[slate light]

cuz if you have a ST and MT one, you dont have to think about WW buff in ST

[fading sky]

1% i think or 2 % in st

1 % usually it can highroll thats a lot tbh

[dense elbow]

Ends at around 1% overall dam in keys, but - the ring can ninjapull as it can shoot out at anything in LoS

[sly merlin]

my friend is gearing his bear and he just did a 10 at 205 ilvl

lmfao

[untold shale]

Was playing on my alt and i captured this gem in my 15

[sly merlin]

opa

[untold shale]

Opa

[willow delta]

Oh I'm a freaking idiot lol
Ok that makes sense
Hmm I didn't bother but I absolutely see the merit and can see an extremely simple way to handle it by having two rampage binds, one for aoe and one for st with the macro

[fading sky]

yup. beaware that this should be fixxed

[tight roost]

Fixed how?

[fading sky]

i mean u arent supposed 2 be able to cancel aura shit

as its 100% degen playstyle and blizzard dont rly want that

[fleet yarrow]

yup

Happened to my 19

[unreal onyx]

I see a lot of top logs on beloren still being thane fury, us that the play even after the buffs?

[smoky vale]

what language is this

[dense elbow]

284.53

[sullen dove]

it shows that cuz its probably just doing the most dmg to adds in p1

its definitely not ethical for egg damage but also due to nerf egg dmg should almost be a complete non issue so you can kinda play whatever you want and alot more warriors are just killin bird as whatever tha hell they wanna kill it as

[smoky vale]

buppy

[unkempt dagger]

its actually a meme in balkan, old guy is making coffee, smokin cigarrette and then he pops a nice fart

that is one of the most famous breakfasts in balkan, coffee n cigarettes alongside nice poop

so you could call that fart an apatezier

https://giphy.com/gifs/nathan-fielder-11mwI67GLeMvgA

[rare forum]

https://tenor.com/view/sla-gif-18068939

[unreal onyx]

Yea fair, we're having the furst day of bird prog today and I just dont wanna troll. I guess slayer MT is the safest bet (?)

[unreal onyx]

284.36, I need crests desperately

[valid pulsar]

I am 284,69 hopefully 285 next week then i will send all my 700 myth crests on each of my alt oh man it will be good

[unkempt dagger]

quick question boys
what do you for targeted spells / spell reflect, is there any addon, something?

[tight roost]

Plater and keep an eye out for your name. I tried targeted spells (addon) but not sure it really helps me much, probably need to set it up to be more helpful

[honest trail]

Blizz nameplates

They show targets

[languid flower]

I'm a Fury Warrior. Which two-handed weapon should I craft: Blood Knight's Impetus or Blood Knight's Warblade?

[white nest]

They're identical

As long as it doesn't have locked stats and a special effect you can craft whatever you want.

[languid flower]

Does it matter if the damage range is different?

[white nest]

They are?

If that actually had an effect the impetus would be bis.

[vague stump]

so we getting another buff guys or?!

[rare forum]

i love this

[slow carbon]

Doesn't matter from a performance standpoint. Go get the same type of weapon you plan on having in the other hand, then if you are blacksmith/weaponsmith, max that weapon type specialization, that way you can get free weapon repairs for rest of the tier. It'll save you a metric f***ton of gold on progress nights with sub 2 minute wipe intervals xD.

[compact knot]

if you played ethically your boss dps would be higher

wcyd

although its not good anyways so

[vague stump]

I don't get all this ethical boss dmg stuff tbh the only thing our spec is good at is cleve so why wouldn't you spend your damage doing what you do best. its just bad at the moment because everything dies too quickly for fury to even shine. the spec overall needs some sort of rework because atm you can't really do boss dmg without absolutely making the spec broken in 5t cleve. well actually now after typing that it would actually be quite easy just tone down the number on improved ww to like 60%

[compact knot]

playing "ethically" means speccing arms btw

or rerolling to fdk

[radiant plank]

Fury warriors are allergic to the E word

[sullen dove]

what a remarkable point that no one is disagreeing with

fury is 2nd from bottom boss dmg cuz anyone playing fury is playing it to pad on aoe

it’s of course capable of doing more boss dmg than it’s showing on logs but absolutely nobody is trying

probably a lot higher on overall dmg

saying “it needs buff” cuz of Mickey Mouse log ranking screenshot with an irrelevant parameter just kinda whatever fury aint the boss killer man it do big add explode

[compact knot]

id like for it to be the boss killer guy...

[sullen dove]

it’s semi boss killer on Lura cuz adds are like too baby and damage buff nice

but arms still jus more epic boss man

[radiant plank]

I mean crits boss dam on lura was respectable

[sullen dove]

but fury easier and more tanky so still chill

[vague stump]

"alot higher on overalls"

[sullen dove]

Better than bottom 2 yea

If 8 ranks isn’t a lot idk

we’re obviously not perfect look at how long adds live now when everyone’s 285+

[compact knot]

mythic week 1 fury was good!

xdd

[sullen dove]

truegi

best dps in the game!!

(allowed to do damage)

[compact knot]

i felt like people had no idea how to play ddh

[radiant plank]

Still dont

[compact knot]

then they got geared and learned how to play it in raid

[sullen dove]

Just like a 3 button rotation innit

[compact knot]

its extremely easy to fuck up

but the rotation is simple

miss 1 gcd and that could cost you like 800k damage in 1 meta

[radiant plank]

its more about positional awarness rather than rotation

[compact knot]

yeah

[radiant plank]

1 cancelled collapsing star is yuge

and if you cancel void ray you delay your nxt collapsing star by quite alot

cuz your reap wont upgrade

to the good one

[compact knot]

if the rotation was hard that spec would be just

insane to play idk

[radiant plank]

and also need ot pay attention to jiggling

[compact knot]

its probably for the best the rotation is simple

[sly merlin]

just cranked crazystyle MC 19 #timed

plus rare frost DK sighting

[kind crystal]

do we now what weapon we upgrade next week ? the Mythic one or the crafted ?

[warm crag]

cant you just sim this

[radiant plank]

you can

[warm crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1503080193114374386/herreal.png?ex=6a02b4c3&is=6a016343&hm=0ed725163364d90c4ef3c8e1e4806a9234a153fd2426d04b3897557a808a673d&

@covert blaze ira domini

[fleet yarrow]

its a few points

most of the specs, literally the vast majority are neck and neck

like theres only 3 specs in that image that have the right to complain and fury aint one of em

[fleet yarrow]

will agree

fury actually does vert respectable single target dmg

[rare forum]

slayer or thane

[wind ether]

fury feels good

good as hell

i’m pumping

people who say it needs buff now are always gonna say it needs a buff

you can completely tune it to the moon

someone still thinks it should be buffed somewhere

naturally these logs depend on the fight

pauses,
mechanics,
downtime

downtime will murder fury

not because you aren’t doing damage but because your frenzy stacks drop

your enrage drops

you lose all your ramp from a mechanic soemtimes if you don’t rampage

so if that happens more then it doesnt reflect tuning

[hard badger]

this explain itself even if you don't talk about warriors 😄

[agile token]

You get more ilvl with the crafted one. From 285->298

[wind ether]

no

fury in particular

frenzy is a stacking haste buff and we get 15% mastery or haste on top

you go from like 100000 haste to 0

out of all the specs in the game it is definitely the most impacted by downtime

there are probably situations where it would be bis to rampage a random critter

if you have no enemies

[summer quail]

lowkey think arms is even more punished for downtime than fury atm. coz of tierset

[wind ether]

yeah arms has it rough too but fury’s entire identity is ramping uptime

that was the class design

you need to get to max haste again

that can take a bunch of rampages

you lose so much dmg if you drop frenzy

last xpac it was way worse

we could only keep the buff from the same target

this xpac they made it so we can refresh it from any target

feels so good right now

[summer quail]

i mean now it drops individually. it's not a full on maintenance buff now

[wind ether]

hmmm

[wind ether]

i could do some sims with forced downtime

there’s a condition you can use that forces downtime

see how much it drops for each second

[summer quail]

i just mean that stacks will drop no matter what now, whereas before it was just a maintenance buff. before if you could just hit the same target with rampage every x seconds then you kept max stacks

[wind ether]

i have huge uptime in arena

something like 70%

maybe more

[summer quail]

i don't think you realize what i'm saying. each stack is individual now, they drop off by themselves.

[undone flower]

Yeah frenzy got changed

[radiant plank]

its ironfur

[summer quail]

^

[fickle stirrup]

After trying out Slayer more I feel like I'd like SD to proc more often to solve the lack of Reap and the BS desync issue
Otherwise I'm loving it so far

[wind ether]

it still feels really bad when you drop it

i do maintain stacks basically the entire time in arena

well atleast

that’s what wowarenalogs shows

im not sure if its different in pve

[radiant plank]

well its not hard

when you can maintain the 1st stack

by hitting rampage every 12s

[undone flower]

You usually have 1-4 stacks

[fleet yarrow]

I would say thats somethin Im gonna have to tell my rl in mythic prog

like yeah, If I have any form of downtime it really messes

with everything

I don't even need to be doing good dmg, I just need to be hitting something

[undone flower]

Downtime kills dps bc we do basically 0 dps outside melee range

Rend and gushing wounds

[fleet yarrow]

Also because we are dependent on resets through rampage and execute

[undone flower]

Thunderclap if it’s not that far

[fleet yarrow]

Like on saladhin, I got my cd timers so I can barely get everything back up for the burst window

But any downtime and suddenly My recklessness needs another 10 secs

[white nest]

I found worrying about the beams burst window was kinda pointless on fury. It's about a 25% bonus. Just press everything on CD until the 2nd beams burst window, hold though it until the next mini orbs, then CD is up for every orbs set.

[neat gazelle]

Damn dude nice!

Is there a talent we can use in thane to get a little better st?

[tawny wing]

Is there a decent up to date fury video guide anyone can recommend ? Got some dumb brain problems, so learn the rotation etc way better that way than text, but lots seem to be pre midnight. Couldn't find one in the resources section

[sharp timber]

Bonjour, y’aurait il un war fury français pour m’aider un peu dans la rota et me dire ce qui va pas svp? Bon jeu à vous!

[white nest]

It's pure priority rather than a rotation. The wowhead guide is good.

[junior oyster]

I think priorities are harder on the brain for some than a straight rotation XD

[white nest]

I started playing as fury so the opposite is true for me haha

[sharp timber]

Yet I use the right priorities I think, but in mono I'm really not high in dps... after my stuff is not good yet...

[floral silo]

So after i got 2 mythic track weapons i get a crafted cloak with arcano?

[white nest]

Yeah probably

I think it changed to crafted weapon still being bis though

[kind crystal]

@sharp timber you are 245 ilvl worry about your parse when you are a bit higher

[sharp timber]

I've gone through 265 now but good stats on my stuff and no trinquet for now

[kind crystal]

seems your rota is alright but given your equipment, there not much you can do about it, also switch to slayer, outside of paladin even on the imperator or saladbar seems to be more efficient and logging higher than Thane

[fickle stirrup]

Do we Slayer every boss besides Vanguard now?

[timid tide]

Aren't dragons also Thane fight? You can pad adds, also dragons stack a bit later in the fight

[subtle lagoon]

Dragons are pretty much always stacked or close in myth

definitely a thane fight

[fickle stirrup]

So would it just be those two then?

[subtle lagoon]

I would say maybe myth saladbar too but I had him killed 5 weeks ago so idk

[sterile ivy]

Is wowa up to date for fury and arms?

[radiant plank]

yeah

kinda

ask @winter shoal

[sterile ivy]

Ok I double ping

[kind crystal]

thane and slayer seems to be both working on salabar

[radiant plank]

now check boss damage

[kind crystal]

and dragons is thane or colo (there is also one slayer who did very well)

[timid tide]

For slayer fury, to pick up Rampaging ruin, do you drop massacre? And doesn't that hurt execute too much? Mythic plus keys, obviously

[subtle lagoon]

We already drop massacre for enraged regen

[subtle lagoon]

I guess it makes sense, dps mostly ramps up during the last phase of the fight where there's so many orbs to pad from, but I guess slayer will edge out due to the fight being mostly ST?

[brave thorn]

1 more keybind for a slight (conditional by route) dps increase is not worth.

[lethal drum]

Anyone got a set focus and mark macro for M+ or is there still an addon that works for it?

[sharp timber]

Ok so Slayer is the only viable spe for single-target??? And thane in multi??

[spare steppe]

Thane is still good on ST and slayer in aoe ; thane is just better sustained aoe and slayer is a bit higher ST

[kind crystal]

this and the fight is getting shorter and shorter each week making it less efficient to "pad"

[white nest]

Depends on your team. If you have other classes nuking those ads you can play slayers a hit boss, if they need to die play Thane and blast them.

[earnest tiger]

im out of the loop, did rampaging ruin used to be good or something? why is there so many people here every day trying to find a way to take it

[winter shoal]

I haven't updated for the buffs last week yet but the only difference there is prio exe over BB as slayer

[frozen scarab]

what dungs are u guys rolling on

[burnt oxide]

Terrace

-end of the list

[merry lotus]

Yo add seat to that list

[burnt oxide]

Nah

[sterile ivy]

Thank you

[burnt oxide]

Wont bonusroll for a singular item in a dungeon with that inflated amount of possible item drops

[river nimbus]

if youre not mythic raiding, can roll in seat for the gloves. if you are mythic raiding. Terrace or raid bosses.

[gilded belfry]

Nexus rings ?

[tawny wing]

I saw people saying to take enraged regeneration but its not in the recommended build. what should i be taking out for it?

[burnt oxide]

Massacre if thane, forgot the slayer one

[upbeat creek]

1 point cruelty for slayer

[river loom]

Ascendant Voidcores i can use it on trinkets and weapons but my question is when i upgrade my main weapon can i upgrade second one for free xD?

[radiant plank]

nop

[river loom]

are ya shitting me

https://tenor.com/view/married-with-children-al-bundy-hanging-noose-suicide-gif-4481202

[neat gazelle]

My thane single tart feels so fucking bad idk why. Wish it didn’t I love thane but I feel like I’m forced into slayer cause of it

[loud mural]

isnt the axe from MT pretty decent too tho instead of crafting the 2nd one?

[river loom]

Yes

[burnt oxide]

Isnt it bis or close to it

[loud mural]

i thought so

[burnt oxide]

And non crafted myth weapon should all be better than crafted if your embelishment is 2x arcano

[unique locust]

My question is if we go for Hunt+Arcano or Arcano+Arcano

With voidforje

[warm crag]

can sim it

[burnt oxide]

Unlikely it would change

[warm crag]

i think the bis list runs with hunt but idk if it was even written with voidforge in mind

[fair solstice]

u gotta have 2 mythic weapons to do that tho

simming tomorrow

[hybrid cargo]

so question, do yall feel you actually have higher highs with slayer in keys, ive trie it a couple times and im just not seeing it. is there a priority shift in aoe?

[pliant spear]

which warrior spec has highest ST rn after the buffs ? out of the 4 specs

[opaque mortar]

One of the slayers. Sim has slurry higher but idk about overall DPS logs

[warm crag]

why would you copy paste the question after already getting an answer from the tcs

[pliant spear]

it was an experiment

FOR SCIENCE

[burnt oxide]

Same question 50 times a day

Warrior love

Warrior live

[spare steppe]

Slurry is fun and doesn’t pad as hard

[royal copper]

Next week new weapon upgrade - what to do with offhand then? (crafted with embelishment) replace it with myth track?

[compact siren]

Ok buddy, manual breathing

[loud zinc]

we pray and pray that tomorrow's first PoS bonus roll drops the weapon so i can shift back to gearing up Fury

is guaranteed within the next 2 for me, but that's still 6 bonus rolls that went to virtually NOTHING

[storm lake]

with the latest fury buffs would u guys consider playing slayer on salhadaar mythic or thane is still the way to go with all the orbs around

[loud zinc]

i'd probs still default to thane on saladbar, but i'm more than sure slayer could get it done

[static loom]

Slayer is high risk on Fallen-King, but when it works it's really strong

But sometimes, you just don't get your BS back in time to pad

[storm lake]

yeah that's what i noticed, it is so highly dependant on SD procs

[loud zinc]

that's sort of why i wish BS wasn't CDR dependent on SD but rather something a bit more deterministic. a large part of why Colo Arms feels so good to play is that while crits can definitely accelerate it, Demolish ends up having a consistently available CD

[burnt oxide]

Removing it from am

[broken temple]

I picked up fury recently and got smoked by a 3800 player. looking at the breakdown.. his top dmg is thunderclap while mine was rampage. are you supposed to just slam thunderclap on cd in keys?

[rustic cape]

Im playing fury up to 10s range. Does the hero spec actually matter or just go with what i like better?

[eternal sundial]

It's 10s

[burnt oxide]

You spam thunderclap,rampage,thunderclap etc on 5+ targets

In 10

Nothing matters

[broken temple]

ah, that'd be why then. thanks.

[hoary rapids]

Does bloodbath apply dot on secodary targets with iww buff?

Too lazy to check

Or just copy dmg

[burnt oxide]

It casts the spell onto each target

[hoary rapids]

So it might be dps gain on 5 mobs vs tc

Or more even

(first time woyer)

[olive wraith]

I think it’s above 6 targets

[broken temple]

it was a MT, so pretty large pulls.

ill try another with some TC spam :p

[burnt oxide]

True

I am to lazy to distinguish during a pull between 5 and 6, so i sometimes do the 6+ prio on 5

[fading abyss]

With Slayer during recklessness, what is the prio? Since we don’t hit TC

[olive wraith]

Check wowhead for full prio

[burnt oxide]

Execute>=rampage>bb>ww(2t+)>rb afaik

[loud zinc]

Ramp if about to overcap> SD>Exe>Ramp>BB>BT>RB

basically you only press ramp and exe. bb if no exe and not enough rage for ramp

[fading abyss]

Thxs all 👍

[languid willow]

does slayer fury have "prio"? or is teh dmg profile the same as thane just more st?

[drifting token]

if you mean funnel, no it does not

[languid willow]

no not funnel

prio dmg

on big adds

[drifting token]

well yeah having better st means you'll have better dmg on whatever that target you focus on

[olive wraith]

Yes it has more prio

[covert blaze]

herreal

[warm crag]

evil

[covert blaze]

devious creature

[digital ore]

Yo, do the recent RB buffs we got do more damage as filler than pressing Rend or Wrecking Throw on Slayer Fury?

[loud zinc]

you dont press rend ever on slayer fury

now that WW applies it

[burnt oxide]

(it is technically better in st by a small margin)

But thats too much headache

[neat gazelle]

my thane st looks so bad i wished it didnt i love thane so much

[fickle vector]

Same, but it’s a decent compromise with heavy pumps in AOE in M+

[neat gazelle]

im so torn i think thane is just more consistent and easy, cds line up way easier etc

but the st on slayer is just so nice

[fickle vector]

Yeah I haven’t even ran any slayer keys as to not sway my love for thane lol

[neat gazelle]

what keys are you running? still crankin with thane?

like competing nicely with the other dps ?

[fickle vector]

I’m pushing 12s/13s casually with guild (they are kinda mid) I would love to push higher but don’t want to sit in instance finder spamming for invites lol but cranking in those keys for sure. Decently geared at 282 ilvl

[thin scroll]

just do ur own key

[fickle vector]

Yeah fair lol

[neat gazelle]

whats the roration for thane on ST?

[winter shoal]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[smoky crescent]

can I send someone my log so they can tell me im dogshit and i can stop gear coping

[mellow smelt]

Started playing slayer and it feels like my whirlwind buff tracking isn't correct. Losing charges faster than on Thane. Am I missing something or tweaking?

[frank dawn]

you're probably just adjusting to actually having to pay attention to the stacks

due to the high prio of tc/tb as Thane you rarely have to actually think about your stacks

[winter shoal]

Try plugging the log into wowanalyzer, and if you have any specific questions about rotation/fights/gear choices, feel free to ask them here

It's extremely difficult to narrow down the scope of every possible thing that could be wrong, but it's much easier to answer specific questions

[mellow smelt]

That makes sense. Thx for reply

[tepid solar]

Are people actually playing slayer fury instead of MT?

For m plus

[winter shoal]

People who want to yeah

[unborn musk]

Pop cds, dump rage when >100/110, always keep BT on CD, RB fillers and Thunder Blasts to make Avatar last longer

[winter shoal]

Both slayer and thane are good in M+ and perform similarly to each other

[neat gazelle]

thanks dude! my aoe is insane but my ST seemed so eh, but not sure i know what im doing ST lol so that helps

i didnt even realize thunder blast make avatar longer?

[winter shoal]

this is not necessarily correct

[neat gazelle]

👀

[winter shoal]

@neat gazelle if you read the wowhead guide I linked you above, it'll contain more accurate information

[neat gazelle]

i did read

[winter shoal]

That's just the opener, not the rotation

The reason I said the previous comment wasn't necessarily correct is that

1. You don't always necessarily BT on cd, there are times when other abilities like 2xTB take prio
2. They made no mention of exe
3. There are times when you want to rampage sooner than 100 rage

What they said is generally close enough given how simplified it is, but that simplification necessarily comes at the cost of missing some less-common rotational cases

[smoky crescent]

Should my overall dps be higher the higher the key is? Im doing 10-13 hitting 120-140k dps but I see ppl do way more in higher keys

[winter shoal]

Generally yes, but it varies a lot based on dungeon, group comp, route, etc

Spamming NPX in the last couple weeks I've done anywhere from like 135-190k overall

in 10-12s

[loud zinc]

a lot of times yes. the longer you spend on trash, the more CDs you spend on them, the higher your overall

but obviously a lot can change that. a tank pulling trash into a boss can also drastically change your overall as well

[neat gazelle]

@winter shoal what spec you playing big

[winter shoal]

in what content

[neat gazelle]

m+

[winter shoal]

Generally thane, but any of the 4 dps specs are good and have their owns strengths

[neat gazelle]

cool. what kind of keys are you running?

[winter shoal]

I don't like colossus arms so I don't really play it, but you can if you want

I'm a vault key andy

[neat gazelle]

haha hey nothin wrong with that

[winter shoal]

pushed like 14/15s in the first couple weeks and have only done 10-12s since

[vale inlet]

Hello guys, does anyone have some tips for voracious?

[fiery edge]

slayer slaaaaaay

[sullen dove]

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove 👉 🕦

[sullen dove]

Today is the day

tune in in 4 hours and 51 minutes

they have responded with a shuffling of intermission positions finally! We will not wipe in intermission anymore!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1282225040506617858/1314268061125050378/caption.gif

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-pig-fat-pig-reincarnated-fat-pig-piggy-out-gif-16191771160011795933

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/h2di-piglet-happy-pig-happy-gif-11790163727987666887

[smoky vale]

@sullen dove is that the lie you're telling yourself

or

[spare flame]

how many targets do i never press RB in aoe as slayer?

[winter shoal]

3

but the difference between 2 and 3 is like 0.3% so if you want to do it on 2+ that's also fine

[sly merlin]

thane

[spare flame]

ty

[languid willow]

so is the consensus now that we are swapping to slayer now for higher m+?

[winter shoal]

Where do people get these ideas from

Who is contributing to this consensus]

You can play slayer if you want, you can also play thane

They perform very similarly

[languid willow]

idk i look at every log in 20-21's where i am and everyone is running slyaer

ig just wave andys idk?

[winter shoal]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/47?class=Warrior&spec=Fury&leaderboards=1 looks like a healthy balance to me other than skyreach

[languid willow]

if thats the case im staying thane idk

shit feels cleaner

[smoky vale]

you do realize people might just have a preference or wanna play the thing that wasnt played or are bored or having fun

[smoky crescent]

Is my haste not being highest stat a problem for my dps? Haste being 932 witth flask applied and crit being highest at 1031

[languid willow]

yea sure

i just was looking at the past keys ran

is all

and it seemed like 80/20 slayer

but i'll just stick with what i find fun is all

[winter shoal]

Maybe, maybe not. Sims will tell you the most accurate answer for your specific gear set. That seems like a lot of crit for fury though

[smoky vale]

erm i think you might want to reassess having that much crit as fury

[languid willow]

didn't know if it was a crazy situation where the meta shifted that dramatically with changes is all

i appreciate the insight though

[smoky crescent]

I see, I just dont know what to look at sometimes, Its my first season doing m+ and raiding so idk what to look at when I analyze my gear on the sims

So basically I need to swap into more haste than crit?

[winter shoal]

Top gear sim will tell you what the best combination of items you can equip is out of the items that you have available. Droptimizer will tell you what dungeons/raid fights to focus on for the largest gear improvements. You don't really need to worry about the other stuff for the most part

[spare flame]

if you got 1k haste and 1k crit, you probably need more mastery

[winter shoal]

Fury generally wants mast > haste > crit > vers, but the specifics will depend on the gear you actually have in your bags

[proper river]

thane or slayer better for m+? for 18-19 keys with pugs

[waxen vale]

o boy

[winter shoal]

This has to be rage bait right

[winter shoal]

scroll up approximately 10 messages

or use ctrl+f

or look at logs

[proper river]

lul sry guys

[wild walrus]

guys with a lot of different logs, mounthane or slayer in M+ please ?

[spare flame]

slayne or mountain thay?

[clever iron]

this question gets asked maybe 1000 times a day xD

every time i open this i see slayer or thane???+

[winter shoal]

Open any stream of anyone doing m+

hi streamer, I see you playing spec x, is that the best now and am I a stupid fat chud for playing spec y?

[modest condor]

bladestorm or avatar in m+?

[spare flame]

bladestorm back in anger management when

[sly merlin]

wouldn’t that be so amazing

[clever iron]

😂

[wild walrus]

streamer playing both so not very helpful

[tawny wing]

whats better using 2 2 handers or 4 1 handers??

[winter shoal]

GOOD question

[river nimbus]

now were asking the real questions

[smoky crescent]

I see, so if I wanted to follow a specific build should I just follow wowhead fury guide? It says to prio haste over mastery over there

[spare steppe]

Just sim what’s best

[winter shoal]

Yes wowhead is good, no it does not say to prio haste over mastery

but also yes sim your own character because stat priority is made up anyways

[smoky vale]

erm big bowwl

im seeing haste over mastery...

[winter shoal]

known glasses needer giovanni 57

[smoky vale]

maybe a change came through

oh you know what

if you look at overview

and look at stats

they show 2 different things

[winter shoal]

curious

[spare steppe]

Intriguing

[winter shoal]

idk sounds like something goofed on the wowhead side but either way sim will have the best answer anyways

[smoky vale]

^^^

[spare steppe]

And ilvl is still king

[tawny wing]

mine looks even weirder must be updates in progress

[smoky crescent]

I see ty very much guys

[spare steppe]

Whoa 2x 1 handlers over 1x 2h is blasphemy

You better fix that

[rare garnet]

D4 style weapons when. Fury needs 4 weapons.

[tranquil field]

New spec also Diablo inspired, ranged warrior similar to Barbarian throw spec. Could be fun.

[rare garnet]

Zbarb shout supporter

[olive wraith]

Pass

[bitter palm]

could be an arms gimmick

remove rage and u like

shuffle through different weapons

sword mace axe

and they make dstance arms only and u equip a shield

but thats way too creative for warrior dev

[plush cypress]

yo guys as slayer do i gotta position myself a certain way in aoe so reap hits all targets?

is that a big diff maker?

[frank dawn]

not really, it aoes around you just like all of your other abilities basically

if you're positioned well for your other aoe, you should also be for reap

[plush cypress]

oh alright

any tips for slayer then? i feel like i am doing something wrong in aoe and i dont know what

[olive wraith]

Hard to give you tips if we have nothing to base it on

Follow the prio I guess

[plush cypress]

gonna try to log,i have combat logging on but i never see it on warcraft logs

[fading abyss]

Well one big thing u gotta track is ur whirlwinds buff in AOE maybe that’s it idk 😬

*stacks

[plush cypress]

should bladestorm be higher in overall dmg than reap?

at the end of dungeon

154k ovr in 16 pit

[fading abyss]

I think BS should be higher by a little but RTS is based on procs so maybe you are holding BS too long. My Ramp is higher as well normally between 20%-25% what’s ur haste?

[wispy thistle]

it ultimately depends on how fast things die

[plush cypress]

1020 haste

[oblique thistle]

Scroll down, its broken into two parts in default meter

[fading abyss]

I think not pressing Ramp enuff, holding BS, u kinda have to send but if u got big pumpers and tanks pulling not huge could be that too

[oblique thistle]

Your BS is likely closer to rampage in terms of overall %

[plush cypress]

so yeah, bs is another 10m

[oblique thistle]

Yeah so BS was actually above rampage for you

[plush cypress]

under by 3m

[oblique thistle]

Idk why it does that in the default meter

Oh I was looking at the wrong number u right

[plush cypress]

used to do that in details too, main hand and off hand

idk if they fixed it

[oblique thistle]

Pretty sure details compiles it together

But I've had issues with details so I dont use it anymore

[turbid spruce]

Should i care about losing sudden death stacks while i playing thane in single target?

[plush cypress]

and does the slayer rotation change like on mt for 5 and lets say 8 targets?Where you would want to spam more ww?

[oblique thistle]

Execute is above TB and raging blow outside of cds and above cb and raw clap in cds so youre likely going to end up pressing it anyways

[fading abyss]

Get in the habit of pressing ww perdy regularly in AOE regardless, u need need to keep those stacks up, but u are prolly pressing it anyway.

[plush cypress]

yeah, im pressing it every 4 gcd

thought i would press it every 2 gcd in 8+ targets

[fading abyss]

Sounds about right, are you over capping a lot? Not spending on ramp fast enough I mean.

[plush cypress]

Not really, from what i was tracking

Sometimes i do overcap but not that usual

[fading abyss]

Maybe just the tank isn’t pulling huge or you other dps is killing too fast

[scenic sun]

To answer the question, no you do not whirlwind more because there are more than 4 targets. You use it to apply the buff or because you have literally nothing else to press.

[fading abyss]

Exactly ⬆️

[plush cypress]

And ww has higher prio than rb in aoe?

[scenic sun]

Yes

So you will WW more than you would TC/TB if you were mountain cause they will fill with RB/CB

Well depends on procs tbh.

[fading abyss]

Ideally it would be great if u never needed to press RB

[scenic sun]

Yeah, with Slayer you want to stay away from CB in AOE

CB is also least prio in ST

[fading abyss]

W ur haste between CDs and all that hopefully u press RB like 8 times a dungeon lolz

[plush cypress]

And what about bt/bb?

[scenic sun]

Its 5th on the prio list

Its basically there to build rage so you can Rampage more

[fading abyss]

BB, Ramp, WW in AOE

[plush cypress]

Ok, now i am starting to understand what i am doing wrong 😄

[fading abyss]

W ur hate during ravager

I had that problem too. Press BB to build, ramp to spend keep WW stacks only for the stacks. When exec lights up press instead of RB I rarely need to press RB in Aoe

[sinful pelican]

Slayer or Thane boys, what we liking more? Overall dps?

Hit 3500 on thane and i feel like i do alot less on slayer

[fading abyss]

Thane easier, slayer for men

[sinful pelican]

slayer reap proc poo poo

[fading abyss]

But for real Thane overall but slayer if ur group need ST boss dmg

[sinful pelican]

ya makes sense

[fading abyss]

But it depends what u play better cause if ur poopoo at slayer thane will always be better

[sinful pelican]

also true

can learn to

tho

noxiv feels like he went slayer full time but prob matters more in 22s

on ST etc

thane feels strong

[plush cypress]

I like doing more ST tbh xd

[fading abyss]

But also he’s been playing Fury for so long he don’t need no help and can play fury as a whole perfectly

[olive wraith]

He always favors slayer even if thane is better

[sinful pelican]

he was on thane after buffs tho

maybe thats why lol

[olive wraith]

After which buffs? This is the first season he’s dabbled in thane

Dude played tww s2 slayer in keys

[fading abyss]

I stared zugging w Fury when I stopped holding CDs and started sending. So much CD reduction just go for it on both slayer and thane

[sinful pelican]

ofc

[floral belfry]

Does anyone know how to add an execute marker in PLatynator?

[neat gazelle]

MT or slayer for chin?

Chim

[icy whale]

whats the main difference between slayer and thane in m+? depending on dungeon? or nearly same overall dps?

[woven valley]

Slayer has more boss damage, thane is easier to play and more consistent

[olive wraith]

Is thane easier?

I feel like you have to make more decisions on thane

[fading abyss]

Yee thane easier, slayer if your group needs the ST boss dmg. If ur scared go Thane, if u a man go Slayer

[olive wraith]

What makes thane easier

[high echo]

is it possible to take/do dmg on rift madness for chimaerus? the adds spawn on the way for our raid strategy and im wondering if i could be hurting people keeping up with the add uptime

[lusty jungle]

to do it safe in progress, melee swaps after madness

later when healers are comfy etc u can just outheal it

[sinful pelican]

Am i always lining up reck and bladestorm?

[olive wraith]

No

[fading abyss]

U macro reck and Avatar together saves 2 buttons and they always sync as a big CD (easy) window is ez BB, TC, spend on Ramp. Slayer has BS that doesn’t align perfectly and Reap sometimes procs like poopoo

Thane more consistent

[icy whale]

thane you can just use everything on cd

[olive wraith]

Reap doesn’t take any brain power

How is that an argument for more difficult

[fading abyss]

Sure but ur overall dmg can be affected which can be discouraging

Makes it more difficult for ur group

[high echo]

does it matter if im in melee range after the assigned people touch and i do not touch them at all?

[woven valley]

Your CDs always line up and both benefit from cd reduction. So it’s just a singular loop. While slayer is more micromanaging blade storms and reck separately

[olive wraith]

Thane has more crowded prio during cooldowns and diff prio for tc at 7 targets

[fading abyss]

And mainly the BS window

[woven valley]

At least that’s how I see it

[fading abyss]

This

[olive wraith]

Misaligned cd doesn’t mean more difficult imo. You send regardless for the most part

[sinful pelican]

execute > BT ?

[olive wraith]

Also slayer ignores rb in 2+

So that’s a rotational button gone

[olive wraith]

Yes

[fading abyss]

BT has some good uses tho. Sometimes refreshes your enrage and it heals u so it depends on what u need at the time. But exec = big dmg and a lot of rage, try to use it when available.

[lusty jungle]

Generally stay on the side your assigned to, people tend to collapse through middle after adds die

[olive wraith]

For slayer I mean

[high echo]

yeah i am staying on my side but I've got feedback that I'm somehow killing people when im just dpsing the adds even though I'm not touching anybody with madness

[earnest tiger]

It will show in logs if you check who the 'source'(s) is(are) for damage taken by Dissonance (specifically the one with spell id: 1267201)

[fickle vector]

For AOE opener as thane, is it worth sneaking in a a blood thirst before sending OF and Reck/avatar for that bleed buff it creates? Or am I wasting a global there

[high echo]

in one of my logs i see a player die while im not really touching the circle, when you do not swap with the designated that's what kills you for madness right? and not due to me being randomly in proximity

[earnest tiger]

safest is to just not go there until madness is done and you know its clear (and even when you do go stay on your side of mid at max range) - although tbf at this point that means you just won't be doing any damage on the small adds cause they'll all be dead, so you can just stay on boss until the big one is in cleave range of the boss tbh

[high echo]

true, but im just trying to understand if im actively dmg'ing/killing people when im close but not touching to the madness people for max uptime

[earnest tiger]

pre sure you do damage the people with rift madness yes

[opaque mortar]

If you're close to any other player in the opposite zone you will do damage

Regardless of when madness is up

[high echo]

but what if im on my side

[opaque mortar]

If they're standing near you it doesn't matter. Sometimes people stand on the line and screw it up

[high echo]

is it another spell with a separate dmg log?

[opaque mortar]

This is best advise. Especially if your group isn't struggling with adds getting to boss

Put it in wipefest

[high echo]

or is it something like "do not be near when madness is happening, extra dmg"

[opaque mortar]

It has nothing to do with madness

[earnest tiger]

tbh you gotta play like a degen (or have a giga chad group?) to parse super well on chim at this point anyways with how fast adds die, just stay on the boss and kill it and swap for big boy cleave

[high echo]

im trying to play like a degen but ive been told that "I'm killing/dmging ppl by going for the adds early"

[opaque mortar]

Look for dissonance in Wipefest

That's what you're killing people with

[earnest tiger]

if you really wanna be a degen and you're overkilling the boss then just find a way to be in 2nd soak group and go down instead of tunnelling boss on 4th soak and blow all your cooldowns on meaningless pad lol

[high echo]

okay thank you so much dudes

ill look into that and remember what you said

[rare garnet]

More proof fury should have a 15y range.

https://tenor.com/view/god-of-war-god-of-war-ragnarok-blades-of-chaos-chaos-blades-fire-gif-5562810352820517553

[icy whale]

do i upgrade this one next week or do i farm a different weapon for it?

i could do 2 rolls on terrace and hope to get weapon out of 5

but beyond that i only got this one

[wise cave]

The difference between secondary secondary stats is probably in the double digits for your DPS. Ultimately, eff it, that's fine.

[icy whale]

for fury or warri in general?

[wise cave]

For anyone, really.

[icy whale]

im scared that this weapon is troll for arms

[wise cave]

58 vers vs 58 haste or crit is probably not worth worrying about in the slightest.

[icy whale]

yeaah.. in the end strength > all

[lean haven]

Are Thane build is the same after update?

For m+ i mean

[wise cave]

And honestly, at this point in gearing, you're probably hitting some diminishing returns in your first secondary stat anyway, so it's not the worst idea to have something with off stats on it. Depends on where you're at.

[woven valley]

No changes

[lean haven]

Rotation is the same, yes?

[olive wraith]

Correct

[lean haven]

tyty

[wind bluff]

Sim it

My hunch is the dps difference will be like 0.3%, and depending on the kind of player you are that's either gigantic or not worth fretting over

Me? Wouldn't be caught dead using nilhammer on anything less than BiS equivalent

[lean haven]

What about Slayer M+ build? The same as in Wowhead?

[wraith sentinel]

yes

[wise cave]

BIS isn't a thing.

[ember leaf]

am i shit or does fury feel bad dps wise in huge pulls

i mean, i am shit

but still

[woven valley]

It does feel bad because of how many low caps we have

You just can’t keep up with uncapped specs

[ember leaf]

Like, every pally does 600k+ on whatever big pull like AA

and i cant break 300k

and 300k is if im doing perfect

[olive wraith]

It evens out across the key though

[wise cave]

Chalk it up to the fact that it only takes two brain cells to play fury, and only one to play ret.

[olive wraith]

Isn’t ddh stupid easy

[ember leaf]

yes

i mean i wouldnt say any spec atm is hard

maybe shaman dps specs are on the "harder" side

[delicate thicket]

gameplan is easy for a lot of specs but vast majority of people can't execute on it

[wary salmon]

💯

[valid pulsar]

if you are a real dh you play havoc. which requires some thinking to do good dam

[fleet yarrow]

using combat potion?

[wind bluff]

Weird pet peeve to have mate

[wise cave]

BIS only applies to trinkets. Anything else is a misunderstanding of gearing.

[ember leaf]

yuh

[warm crag]

the sentiment is correct but to be pedantic there is a bis gear set for your character

[ember leaf]

perfect is an overstatement

[wind bluff]

And there are also pieces that are close enough to bis that you can call them bis

[fleet yarrow]

Still aint BIS tho

[wind bluff]

Conversely, there's running a bunch of vers/mastery and pretending stat weights aren't real

[wise cave]

There's best gear, but 'best in slot' isn't a thing.

[fleet yarrow]

That 5 extra dmg means a lot

[warm crag]

semantics final boss

[wind bluff]

^^

[fleet yarrow]

why not

[wise cave]

Because the stats on an individual item, outside of trinkets, don't matter. It's how your overall stats slant, not each piece.

[fleet yarrow]

Wouldn't our gauntlets from triumvate mythic be our BIS?

As no matter the context really the ability it procs would make it superior

Unless you want to go for the argument that technically if the rest of your gear was so heavily skewed to go against the stats, even though nobody would really have it at that level of gear, it wouldn't technically count?

[wise cave]

Case in point: Bellamy vs Garfrost. Garfrost is better for me because it gives more of the stats I need. Wowhead calls Bellamy our 'best in slot' for mainhand, but it would be a downgrade for me.

[grand anvil]

could anyone tell me which one that is correct, as slayer, do i wanna use raging blow or bloodthirst first? im finding different information everywhere

[fleet yarrow]

What about gauntlets

[warm crag]

i mean ye a bis piece doesnt have to be best for your character right now

esp if you are simming with shit like reck pots

[wind bluff]

As fury, yes, the cantrip gauntlets are very likely to be your BiS. But as always, Sim them

[fleet yarrow]

I think a problem with the argument as well is,

Are we considering BIS considering everything else is in slot, or BIS in the moment?

[warm crag]

if you are talking about bis you are definitionally talking about a bis list that is composed of a set of items

[wind bluff]

BiS is a theoretical ideal list of equipment that you are slowly migrating toward

[wise cave]

If it requires all your other items to line up with the stats it has, it's not best in slot, it's the best possible gear set. BIS isn't a thing, and it's an annoying term that people don't understand.

[fleet yarrow]

Because by this argument thats like saying 3rd tier piece isn't good even if its mythic because the stats are bad

Well yeah, because you don't have your 4th piece. The moment you get it your damage will now skyrocket

[languid willow]

Think the bis list only pertains if you have every single piece of the bis gear to a very particular set of stats, if you don’t have all those pieces just because it’s bis doesn’t means it’s going to be your best at the moment with your current gear

[wind bluff]

With local minima and maxima that may change what you're wearing in that exact moment

[warm crag]

you cant just redefine what bis means and then say the common interpretation of bis isnt actually what bis is lol

[wise cave]

I'm not redefining shit.

[wind bluff]

It is more correct to say "Sim it", but equally, spending your nilhammer on a weapon with poor itemization is likely a misstep

I'm praying it'll work like crests so you can nilhammer one slot infinitely if you get a sidegrade, but I'm going into this reset expecting it's more precious than that

[fleet yarrow]

Your being very pedantic

Its the biggest well uhm technically moment

[wind bluff]

Truly. I think we can all move on

[languid willow]

But yea bro just ask the robot

That’s the best thing every time

[wise cave]

Define pedantic.

[languid willow]

Feet-antic

[queen panther]

Why do we pick up Thorims might instead of Gathering clouds? Since as MT we only use raging blow and exe as filler spells.

Is it just cuz of the rage regen?

Or is just the extra damage from filler during ST is better.

[junior oyster]

Know too many dummies who get stuck on "bis this" "bis that"

[wise cave]

Had a monk tell me they only wanted a crafted fist weapon instead of a mace(early in the expansion when I didn't have all the plans) because their BIS list said fist. I rolled my eyes so hard.

[modest condor]

and which abilities do you think are affected by an increased chance for lightning strike to proc?

hint: it's mostly 2 abilities that we only use as filler spells

like 90% of our lightning strike procs are the guaranteed ones from thunder blast

on st at least

[next canopy]

Anyone know why the “news” section isn’t showing up?

[smoky vale]

you probably need to opt into it via the id:customize

[wicked dew]

Do we not get free offhand upgrades to match mainhand anymore?

crafted mainhand if that makes a difference

nvm just had to relog

[icy whale]

how much dps loss does cutting massacre for enraged regeneration result in for m+ thane?

[upbeat plume]

like next to nothing

maybe .5% on a good day lol

[icy whale]

and cruelty for enraged regeneration on m+ slayer same?

[upbeat plume]

you would ditch wrath and fury and also super negligable

[icy whale]

is it worth it to also go for leeching strikes over rumbling earth? for 19+ keys

[snow edge]

If you’ve already got ER that seems excessive

Def Stance, ER and SR should be enough for most situations

[icy whale]

yeah, i think adding er already does alot for me

havent had either before, felt a little rough sometimes

[neat gazelle]

@icy whale what spec you running in 19s?

[icy whale]

i just started, im just playing thane fury, but im struggling ngl

😂

[neat gazelle]

Can’t be struggling that much if you’re timing 19s!! Haha

[icy whale]

i play together with a frost mage xd

we do fine but other classes are having it way easier still i feel like

[neat gazelle]

Yeah prob since you guys don’t really buff each other

[icy whale]

damage is just higher on lock, dk, dh etc

[neat gazelle]

Let’s run double warrior and Aug hmu

😂😂😂😂

Yeah I played lock awhile this season but man I hate casters and felt so squishy

Coming back on warrior I just feel unkillable

But warriors def do good damage . May not always be top but definitely can go off

Phys comp is always fun that’s who I play with

[icy whale]

really need a tank with good chain pulls to maintain the buff

but rn you just need a druid and you got enough damage xd

[alpine palm]

What buff does Thane need to maintain?

[icy whale]

just having things to slap to decrease buff cds

[alpine palm]

ahh\

[icy whale]

worst feeling is having downtime on cds because baby pull doesnt get killed

[neat gazelle]

Ahats your char name basti?

And yeah for sure! Lol

[icy whale]

dont worry about it 😂 i need to improve my logs first 😂 😂

[neat gazelle]

Lmao

[icy whale]

next week fortunately weapon upgrade will counteract the druid tank nerfs

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove 👉 🕑

[sullen dove]

playing minecraft between pulls

stream would kill pc!

but ig can stop did what i wanted to

[dapper goblet]

just blow it off

[sullen dove]

gettin to that point on boss

tad bit boring now

[dapper goblet]

should have bean boring the moment you spent 50 pulls wiping p1

[sullen dove]

nah first 50-100 were pure chilling

but once we could like grasp p2 now its just kinda pointless to keep dying here but idk

[dapper goblet]

pull a baze and cream your undies about p1 and then a week later you say its awful

[sullen dove]

yea

i mean i still think the mechanics are super fun

its just

stop dying to em

idk

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-low-raven-crow-real-science-low-i-q-gif-17338607635233300977

[keen kindle]

Here's how to really kill a pc

No mans sky between pulls

[left peak]

What makes arms better in m+ i can easily deal more dmg as fury

[winter shoal]

Who said arms was better

[modest condor]

more aoe, giga funnel

[winter shoal]

fury more aura though (real)

[icy whale]

they should not reduce damage on thunder clap beyond 5 targets

[compact knot]

there are a lot of very important mobs to kill in some dungeons

which arms (ESPECIALLY slayer) can just kill so fast

like that lust pull right before the 2nd boss of magisters with the double runed spellbreakers, you do like 300k dps with semi decent rng

you can kill 1 of them before any other mob dies pretty much solo on that pull lmao

[left peak]

Honestly i feel like slayer aoe dmg at least is medio, you can lose to a guaridan if u got unlucky pull

[compact knot]

its not great on big pulls

but its pull to pull aoe is some of the highest in the game still

its so strong when chaining

[unkempt oasis]

Warrior is just holding the team back. 5 Druids.

[icy whale]

^

[left peak]

warrior is good for phys comp els u handicap yourself, anything els is better, retri or UH

What's up with even retri being pretty much ranged now? they got like 1 semi melee spells and crusader strike? are we and rogues the only true melees?

[compact knot]

retri can cast spells from ranged but not for long

they need to melee still or else they cant use buttons

[left peak]

enough for a quick downtime

[olive wraith]

They will want to be in melee for resources

[left peak]

Of course, well during wings they don't really need to be melee, it's not question a dmg drop

but they are not affacted by it if they dont stand at range for a extended time

[snow edge]

It’s less punishing, but still punishing. You resource starve pretty quick out of melee without lucky procs. And being out of melee during wings is terrible, I’m not sure what you mean

You want to maximize build -> spend during wings (especially during ES), and being out of melee reduces the build part of that?

[bitter palm]

u dont get art procs

which is A LOT

of ur damage

crusading strikes is a ton of ur dmg too

[bitter palm]

idk how is retri better than arms

[wooden scarab]

i got a question do we press whirlwind over raging blow in aoe on slayer in keys :D

[bitter palm]

it legit does less damage

it has a horrible damage profile outside of execution sentence

hmmm random lasher damage hmm

while arms is destroying the prio target and still doing good damage to random mobs

and is squishier