fury

[brittle crow]

well u can't rb it's an empty global ..

[rare garnet]

fk no, fk rend, fk wreck, i would rather use the time to scratch my balls

[toxic jewel]

so

slayer is pumpin in keys

[wary salmon]

Just cause its priority dont mean its being used lul

[wary salmon]

This tbh

[dreamy siren]

just fell short of a 17 terrace in slayer

pull before first boss i was at like 180k so its pumpin

lastr boss*

[modest condor]

big

[somber elk]

What is slayer Prio in aoe? Is it rampage > massacre > ww?

[olive wraith]

Ramp>100 then sd then bt

[neat gazelle]

is puzzle box used on every single CD when its up? or is it ever held for like a bigger pack? i notice theres times where main cds are up and maybe theres like 10-20 sec left until puzzle back up. is there every a scenario where you hold until its up? or send and get it on the next?

[feral acorn]

Thane or Slayer? overall

[somber elk]

and why do we want to wait for reck when we wanan use bs?

[brittle crow]

big dam

[frank crystal]

what the best mythic + spec atm ?

arms or fury ?

[olive wraith]

Bs casts bt during the channel. Those become bb which is big

[olive wraith]

Colo has higher ceiling. Thane is more consistent

[frank crystal]

still after the buffs?

[bleak olive]

On this, do these cleave with iww?

[graceful rapids]

Nope

[somber elk]

ty

[gilded belfry]

So charge > reck > bs > ramp > ondyn for opener ?

[heavy abyss]

Bloodbath/Bloodthirst before Odyns because of Bloodborne talent

[gilded belfry]

But bs cast bt/bb 2s before no?

[edgy widget]

what you actually wanna do is

• Whirlwind on the charge -> Reck -> Ramp - > Bladestorm -> OF

Unhinged will apply Bloodborne for you, correct

[dense elbow]

Archi, where is the option for bringing both for a key?

[edgy widget]

bringing both what

[heavy abyss]

oh damn totally forgot that yeah

[dense elbow]

Wrecking and Dstance

[edgy widget]

the question is which you're more likely to use

both is not a valid response

[gilded belfry]

Ty 🙏

[dense elbow]

If you use both, then neither answer is viable tho. Just as worthwhile as none

If the question is 'if you had to chose', not what you do. Then I guess it works

[edgy widget]

no, neither is valid because you could just press neither (and statistically, that's exactly what most players do)

[heavy abyss]

[floral wasp]

No I meant I don't need to raid anymore and now just prioritize M+
I didn't say I need it for m+

How is slayer in m+? I feel like thane is still better

[edgy widget]

it's pretty close all things considered, but Thane is still better, if for no other reason than it's just way more reliable

[boreal sluice]

I am playing fury for some bosses I guess it's slayer fury now in raid

[edgy widget]

Thane is just press cooldowns -> deal damage, don't really care about procs all that much
Slayer is much more beholden to RNG Reap and SD procs, since Reck and BS can just decide not to align

[hollow geyser]

is it even worth crafting a 285 weapon as an OH with the hunt embellishment or just get a second 289 with rolls?

[dense elbow]

When BS didnt align on Chim pulls, it did indeed feel like Slayer was not worth the RNG. When it did tho, Slayer felt great

[undone flower]

I voted dstance

[dense elbow]

Gz on level up

[undone flower]

It’s the one I slightly press more than 1 per dungeon, like 2 or 3 times

[dense elbow]

How?

At my content level, Dstance is kinda only used to soak things like the AA knock and the occasional dangerous spot where something went wrong

Currently ER cowers most of my "I am in danger" moments. As meld fixes most "targeted by two things, when reflect is down"

Wrecking I use more sporadically than that

At least at worst I missclick it twice or thrice. While dstance might go untouched

[lucid ginkgo]

is there anyone out there that actually likes the way thunder thane plays?

Its so gross, looks clunky and doesnt feel like fury at all

[dense elbow]

Thunder thane is a special thane build?

[lucid ginkgo]

Feels like prot

[dense elbow]

If the question is if ppl enjoy Thane, the answer is yes. Very much so. Same for Slayer as well.

No idea what the split would be in here, but I would expect it close to 50/50, if not slayer in the lead by a smaller margin

[lucid ginkgo]

Interesting, slayer feels like fury, thane feels like garbn'

[copper parcel]

slayer is shit, thane is fury

thanks

[dense elbow]

I agree, I am hardcore camp Slayer myself. But I do know ppl enjoy thane a lot

[undone flower]

I would say javeleneer for fury tho, but I almost never use it past the gathering, like I wreck throw a random far caster, not rly that useful

[dense elbow]

Yeah, and you only do it if the ranged interupters are busy

[undone flower]

So it’s maybe once per dungeon

[dense elbow]

I got it preplanned at 2 points in nexus atm, other than that it goes when I bump a shield on a prio mob

[undone flower]

Not every pulls have packs positioned+moved that specific way

Yeah that’s why I say jav for fury, but I press more dstance as arms / it’s more useful imo

[dense elbow]

Arms would be a different beat for sure

wonder if the vote will just come down to arms warriors vs fury warriors, with their different needs

Dstance should win by default, if the pwarrior, bros vote

all 10 of em

[undone flower]

I thought it was an arms question, dstance is more awkward to take as fury from the start

[random shadow]

Happy leveled up?

[dense elbow]

True, tho I hope most ppl just pick dstance and ER, as being tanky is king

Indeed Happy did level up!

[random shadow]

But like how in what way is he leveling up

[dense elbow]

By the metrics set by the almighty server admin, of course

[summer quail]

it's pretty chill for slurry

[undone flower]

Yes but we don’t have the bonus of dstance talent is actually nice dmg anyway

Since it’s 3% attack speed as fury

[vague stump]

bigger for slayer than thane. its a good dps gain for slayer

[fading sky]

Dstance with stsnce mastery is a huge defensive

Above 18s id say

Almost mandatory

[vague stump]

deffo but what do we drop tho as thane

[fading sky]

For puggin having a range interrupt is giga

[vague stump]

javlineer and what else?

because u cant drop barbaric

[fading sky]

Hmm mby thane can survive without talent?

[undone flower]

Crushing force I guess, like slayer

[fading sky]

It does have passively more defense

[undone flower]

I never took better dstance as thane

I just started to take ER in 17s

[vague stump]

yeah I dont think you need it as thane or colossus its only slayer where u feel abit squishy

plus the 3% attack speed for slayer is actually good

and I guess is probably only around 1% loss taking stance mast over crushing force

[fading sky]

As col u do

Theres points

Where its insand

Blade rush on skyreacv

Runic Wounds in mgt?

Also its dps neutral as col😅

[vague stump]

dbs is just better button there tho

[fading sky]

U need both thouhh

[vague stump]

and always off cd when the bleeds come out

[fading sky]

And they cast em often

[vague stump]

yeah the top guys aint using dstance there they just use dbs

glaives yes

[fading sky]

Pretty certain ive seen biz dstance at times

Still usefull tool to reduce dmg taken if u got a struggelin healer

[vague stump]

its good talent to have for sure. just have to make some pretty big dps losses for abit more defensive. tbh I feel like you only need stance mast above 20 keys. I mean u can eat 2 bolts to the face without def stance and still live in 19s

[undone flower]

I was stance dancing before 17s, since I didn’t take ER before

[fading sky]

As col arms 0

[undone flower]

Reflect + def stance big

[fading sky]

Losses btw

As thane dno

[vague stump]

ill run a sim quick

[fading sky]

Should be pretty dps neutral, mby slight st loss for aoe gain?

[undone flower]

It was basically neutral when I simmed for paladins, for Col arms

[vague stump]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7y5eNk9zyNSdm8gtY9UppY

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9Y2Rc5oVBbtKTX3HJZu5jL

its a very small loss

haven't checked single target but I could imagine its similar

[frigid sinew]

How much do you guys sim ST with MT build for m+? With 278-282 item level?

[pliant jackal]

im i crazy or is pit of saron super tight on time

[uneven plaza]

The Gloves from Seat are simming as a downgrade for me? Is the Effect no simming correctly or wht forget what i said, made a mistake in sim

[burnt oxide]

You should post the sim, cant judge with that info alone

[undone flower]

102k

With 285 ilvl

[pliant jackal]

like on a 14 with all dps doing over 100k still couldn't time it

like wtf

[undone flower]

Ppl were closer to 100k or 200k?

[pliant jackal]

its just a 14 tho

like wtf

[uneven plaza]

seems kinda low, + deaths maybe?

[undone flower]

It can be tight if you had couple deaths

[oblique thistle]

Deaths are quite punishing in pit

[undone flower]

With that dps

[untold yacht]

hi what is best warrior ST build now? is it fury or arms?

[fading sky]

I mean hardly a loss

[oblique thistle]

The real answer is whatever you have better gear for

[untold yacht]

defo fury 🙂

[oblique thistle]

There you go

[frigid sinew]

Thanks

[undone flower]

I had raid buffs on, 1t 5 min

[vague stump]

I mean its a loss but yeah thats why I said its a very small loss because it technically is lol

[undone flower]

I wouldn’t say very small loss, but yep no big deal

[frigid sinew]

Mkay🫡 what’s your stat distr? Have mostly ”prot” stats so my mastery is in the sub 500 rating

[oblique thistle]

This is something you should solve with sims

[undone flower]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jBuLc5yW8tZcgCixurjeR1

I think I have 800-900 mastery idk

[dense elbow]

ppl sim 110k now? dios mio

Last sim I did, I was at 70k
ppl big dam

[undone flower]

Even without vantus cheat code

[dense elbow]

[frigid sinew]

Well fun to know what real fury players have🤷🏼

[frigid sinew]

Kk

[dense elbow]

you win

[undone flower]

Impossible

You turned raid buffs off

[dense elbow]

Never sim with em, I sim for m+

will do a raidbuff one for you

[undone flower]

90k with only consumables+ bshout

[dense elbow]

Raid buffs add quite a bit, eh

[fading sky]

3k on 358k on a simulayed aoe scenario?

[worn yoke]

Whats the feels with their last tuning saying "we will monitor performance" do we hope for a little bit more to scrape us off the bottom of the community standings, or do you think they will just leave fury (and arms) at mid-low pack for the rest of the season / expansion

[fading sky]

Man furys good now

[undone flower]

Maybe we have a different image of very small in our minds

[dense elbow]

Us staying high midpack is the dream

[worn yoke]

fury's great and ive been blasting in keys but it still doesnt hold a candle to the top 10 in raids

[fading sky]

I mean a crit // a slight mistake is a bigger loss

[fading sky]

I mean crit was top 2 on lura

So like furys in a good spot since last buffs id say

Raid caters 2 range more as they have the bigger burst

St though is competitive in raid

[worn yoke]

he was top 2 with a 100 parse VS an 85 parse. You put a god behind the wheel of that ret and it paints a more realistic picture. also Lura is probably one of the best fights for warrior...

[fading sky]

I mean which melee is better

True melee

Where uptime isnt our killer

Also ofc its a 100 parse last buff made fury played😅

It was a whst more than 10% st buff

Thats quite a difference

[undone flower]

I wouldn’t take parses% on a boss where 5 dudes killed it

4* mb

[fading sky]

Exactly

[undone flower]

And 71 for ret

[fading sky]

Esp if 1 of em killed after a 11% buff

🤣

[undone flower]

His death is a good sandbag

[fading sky]

ikr 😄

anyways fury is pretty good now

idc what ppl think

and yes on reclears u will NOT parse as fury

its main advantage are 100% on prog when shits chaotic

[undone flower]

Duality of low number of kills, you are both 100 and 75 parse

[fading sky]

on reclears, the ddhs the rets mm's all these ppl will ofc EAT ya aoe

and parse is dead

but when u are first killin a boss i still say fury NOW is very good

[undone flower]

They seemed to live quite some time those adds

On the crit kill

[fading sky]

yeah.

i mean lura i think u cant just focus on paddin

coz theres also relevant dmg check, but it was prog

im pretty certain reclears ppl will start gettin nasty 😄

I know as a warrior player i WOULD if i COULD

[edgy widget]

he was third, but Fury does well enough on L'ura for sure

I still feel as though Arms is going to be stronger overall, but at this point it's not really a damage check anymore, so playing whatever is most comfortable is probably for the best

[fading sky]

when my RL asks why my dmg is shit until p3

this is what ill post

[radiant plank]

Play fury so you can tank a glaive in p1 kek

[sullen dove]

play fury to see yourself on meters in p1

[radiant plank]

:mhm

play fury to hold reck bs for termination crystals

[sullen dove]

truth nuke

[edgy widget]

be comforted by the fact that the majority of the time in p1 is spent watching crystal carriers die to glaives or beam and wipe the raid

while you're struggling to stay awake because all the actual mechanics are handled by addons again

[sullen dove]

im perfectly engaged anticipating a mis typing of the addon like 30% of the time when healers have to click so calling the right ones and not dying is fun

[fleet yarrow]

Doing a pug m+ where the Tanks actually ask people cd's before trying big pulls is

😘

[burnt oxide]

You are fury, you always have

But the sentiment is appreciated

[fleet yarrow]

Right after bosses maybe not

[dense elbow]

what if they dont play around my BS CD

[fleet yarrow]

Depends if Bladestorm cd is being

iffy

[signal falcon]

Bladestorm actually feels really good now

The variable cdr can be a bit frustrating at times

[lofty delta]

tbf, it's not like the memory game is particularly engaging

[signal falcon]

But I notice whenever I’m playing with Skyfury I’m drowning in SD procs so not too bad

[edgy widget]

What memory game?

[lofty delta]

oh you mean the interrupts

[edgy widget]

You mean the addon game?

[lofty delta]

hahaha

ok, you got me

[edgy widget]

Ain’t no memory needed! Just match the symbols

[lofty delta]

i meant more if we didn't have the addon or blizzard had fixed the loop hole; it's not really that fun a mechanic

especially on mythic where you're seeing at most a third of the sequence

[sour cloak]

i see that most people dont use enraged regeneration anymore. is it not needed? its supposed to be our giga defensive

is ti because of this?

[dense elbow]

Nah, that is not the reason

the reason is sims give a tiny bit of DPS if you drop ER

[burnt oxide]

You going to need it in higher keys

[dense elbow]

Bring ER tho, it is fantastic

This is shockwave all over again

where ppl REFUSED to bring shockwave, cause it was a DPS minus of 1% to bring

[sour cloak]

hmm

okay

is slayer good now for raid?

pretty much everyone would run thane for all the bosses

[burnt oxide]

I hear alot about plaxing slayer on vorasious

But mostly thane still

(you can bring both ofc)

[sour cloak]

sometimes i find slayer to be better for dragons when orbs die instantly and i cant thunder clap spam

so i burst with bladestorm

but thats just me

idk

[wary smelt]

where can i find this new M+ build people are using for slayer

[pulsar prawn]

by reading the annoucnements? #updates-midnight

[wary smelt]

Mmm yes my apologies

[pulsar prawn]

at least my guess you were talking about the arms build ^^

while writing in fury xD

[wary smelt]

Oh nope reading now. I thought I read somewhere there’s a new fury build people are testing?

[covert topaz]

yeah i find slayer way more comfy on vorasius, got me a nice parse on mythic without trying to pad or anything so i must be doing something right haha

[wary smelt]

Guess I misread

[pulsar prawn]

tbh vorasius is anti padd because usually you drop the adds so far away thats not worth the running ^^

and most groups with good dmg have ranges that kill them comfy

sure you can be lucky on 2nd add wave to padd them while staying in boss range ^^ but yeah..

[covert topaz]

oh well i still leap out and by the time they're dead i can leap back in so barely any lost uptime, so maybe i am padding without realizing 😅

[exotic cradle]

Wish that was the case for my kills

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[fiery tide]

youre not really padding if youre only hitting adds and no boss

[pulsar prawn]

i mean i even did that with pugs. sounds like a very low guild?

[covert topaz]

i guess I only hit boss on the third wave, since those end up being super close to boss

[exotic cradle]

Pugs usually

[honest trail]

Don't need to pad to parse

[fleet yarrow]

Had an +18 academy brick at the end

Kinda my fault I died like an idiot twice

[honest trail]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-26470175

[fleet yarrow]

the deaths were instant rez angles

But tank got angry thinking we couldn't time it, everyone said it was fine, he then rage pulled an extra pack and 1/2 the squad got murked

[honest trail]

Like in every game, weak mental is the main problem

[fleet yarrow]

I do love me shama healers tho

[honest trail]

Feel happy you find groups

I can only queue with my friend who's... Holy Paladin

[fleet yarrow]

They are my keys

[honest trail]

So no shamans for me

[honest trail]

Even more pain

[fleet yarrow]

I accept I can't get into other peoples keys

so I just spam my own

[honest trail]

I tried once

Failed my resilient key 10 times in a row

[fleet yarrow]

oof

[honest trail]

Yeah so painful xD

[warm crag]

failing a 10 is quite difficult

[honest trail]

🙁

[olive abyss]

Hello for slayer fury on exe phase out and inside cds whats the prio between bt and execute?

[delicate lion]

whats the use cases for slayer or thane. I am mostly just doing mythic dungeons. I do believe slayer is better for raids?

[olive wraith]

@olive abyss

[quartz charm]

yes

But Noxiv is playing slayer now in MDI

and wrecking the hell out of it

[loud zinc]

yea slayer cranks

[olive wraith]

He’s a beast on a different level,

[honest trail]

He also has the team for it

[rugged cedar]

what do you mean?

wouldnt a team setup benefit all warrior specs?

[quartz charm]

they are playing a physycal comp that exploits very wells slayer

w

[rugged cedar]

what about it is specifically for slayer?

[quartz charm]

the bladestorm CD and how you pull for it

the size of pulls basically

[olive wraith]

Not sure if they’re actually pulling around his cds

[quartz charm]

the thing is that slayer is burst spec

[olive wraith]

Dude just always plays slayer even when it’s not good

[quartz charm]

but MT is a continuos dmg

you get a comp in which you dont get capped so you blast the pull

[olive wraith]

Slayer isn’t even that bursty compared to real burst specs

[quartz charm]

exactly

if you play this with other classes that burst stronger than you, you get capped

but this is not happening for this teamcomp they are playing

everything taking into account that he is an absolute beast beyond the rest ofd the mortals

[haughty carbon]

Rampage proc reap the storm is bug ? Spam rampage feel no reap, arms slayer have big proc of reap

Maybe rampage ruin would proc more reap the storm from rampage ?

[fading sky]

No

No bugs 20% chance is 20%

[haughty carbon]

Feel very weird, finish a pack with no reap from rampage is bad

[paper pond]

Can someone please give me a very simplified priority list? I'm trash

[olive wraith]

Wowhead has

[olive wraith]

Go on aoe dummies and log it if you think it’s actually bugged

[haughty carbon]

Okay, when im back to home I Will try it, can I ping you à This moment ?

[paper pond]

Yeah that's why I said simplified and I'm trash

[olive wraith]

Might be busy but I guess

[olive wraith]

What’s confusing you

[paper pond]

Rampage over 110 rage. If I'm not over 110 rage, what do I even press, with the others on cd and no execute available

[fleet yarrow]

rampage

[paper pond]

Fair

[burnt oxide]

Rampage over 110 is best case, but you will sometimes use it early if everything is on cd

[paper pond]

I think I'm too trash for this game damn what the fuck

[burnt oxide]

The more you play it, the less you have to think about it, the priority follows mostly obvious patterns and logic

[fleet yarrow]

Yeah rotation is overall very simple

[burnt oxide]

Even more simple if you know why you do certain things imo

[analog dagger]

any protips for better ST damage?

seems like im getting outclassed by an unholy most of the time

[zealous pier]

… their ST is insane

[marble pilot]

Gunna say play a spec that does ST damage

[steel shard]

lol that is the best ST spec in the game

you aint even close to those numbers as fury

this game is not balanced sir

[paper pond]

Ok did first m+ as fury, a +8 skyreach, came second to a 270 demonology lock. Honestly very fun spec and not that hard

[slim coral]

yep fury is indeed fun

[warm crag]

You dont have to lie to people anymore you already got yellow

[clever iron]

if u want to be a good dps spec reroll to dk they most often very good frost or unholy.. if u want to have fun while gaming play fury and zug

[dense elbow]

Bazed is in fact not lying. Fury simply is: Fun

[fallen ginkgo]

Its so fun that any other spec feels boring to play for me after 2 keys

[marble pilot]

Ive never really played other specs. Ive done little bits here and there but fury is the only spec I play long term.
I am wanting to try a caster next season just to try something new. But who knows if Ill actually do it.
Looking at ele sham. I wanna see how a spec with a real cooldown feels

Or boomkin. Just to still have a tank offspec and more options. havnt really tried feral either.

[jovial eagle]

hey people, sorry but any good video or guide recomendation for new updates, I want to play fury but I'm horrible at it.
Old days was easy now days it seems easy, but people pass me in dps with 281itmlvl

thank you people

wowhead seems nice, but any alternatives

[static loom]

Playing warrior, people will by default pass you on the meters, as most classes have stronger dps specs than we do

[analog dagger]

so it's fine if i average 160-170k in +16 pugs?

i feel like on aoe i do decent for the most part but ST sometimes numbers are pretty lackluster

[bleak topaz]

keep melee uptime high, thats my biggest issue coming from many years on controller games

and the luck having tanks to pull decently

[burnt oxide]

Well our st is lackluster if your group does not provide meaningful buffs for you

[strong monolith]

Got mythic heart last night.

The quest for a single gaze continues

[grand vale]

there's boosts for a little over a mil if you don't want to pug or don't have a guild

that raids mythic

[analog dagger]

thanks

[jovial eagle]

funny.

[quiet swallow]

So are we suppose to go Slayer for m+?

[dusk knot]

thane and slayer are both good brother

[quiet swallow]

Ah ok gotcha thanks! I will try slayer

[inland steppe]

where can I find the fury slayer build for this?

[haughty carbon]

Some friends test andahgree with me, i dont have a recount fight now but im pretty sure rampage did not cast reap the storm

Noxix talk about it in is last vidéo on saron in the comment session, he did not have any proc on rampage

Im pretty sure reap the storm is totally bug in fury slayer

[unborn musk]

If people outdps me the key is as good as won. If people are below me, we are gonna fail

[indigo arch]

Yea thane is just on the cusp of cranking now in keys

Not tww s3 levels, but almost

[modest condor]

proccing fine for me http://puu.sh/KMNiX/9d4531734e.png

[indigo arch]

(I say despite temptations to rageswap to arms again if I have someone barely ahead in overall as meta slop)

[haughty carbon]

thx for testing

20% feel 4% on fury that so weird

[modest condor]

it's too low to feel impactful yes

[lilac plinth]

True

[rotund ginkgo]

Hello folks!

I wanna make a little video about current iteration of warrior. Feel free to help out if you don't mind 🙏

I would love people from all skill levels to hit my dms with their opinion about how they enjoy fury so far

• keys and raid (state what level of content you do)
• thane and slayer
• positives and negatives
• how intuitive/easy/smooth/fun the class feels
• how strong do you feel
• biggest turn ons and biggest turn offs about current iteration
• older variations of the class you enjoyed and if so, why?

Every DM will be helpful! Thanks! 🙏❤️

[static loom]

So true

[neat gazelle]

@static loom random but is puzzlebox sent with every set of cds when up? or saved for the larger pulls

[static loom]

I don't play with it, but I'd say that as a rule, for pug groups, send it whenever you have cds ready, as you can't guarantee that the group will pull big

Unless, of course, you either play with a coordinated group, or you know for a fact that a big pull is inc and you want to save stuff for it

[neat gazelle]

ty

just using it until i get gaze hahga

[haughty carbon]

Can you try without using BT plz ?

Just spam Rampage / RB / Whirlwind

Just to see something

I really cant believe slayer arms can proc more reap the storm with cleave than a rampage spam

[modest condor]

what does bt have to do with it?

[haughty carbon]

I noticed when I Play some reap animation pop after a BT, maybe its delay or something

Just want to be sure

[neat gazelle]

is the slayer rotation prett ysimple?

[eternal sundial]

its fury warrior

[olive wraith]

Bt does not proc reap

[haughty carbon]

I know

Im just sure reap is over bug in fury

If he work on rampage its not 20

[olive wraith]

I mean unless you have evidence it’s just anecdotal

[neat gazelle]

slayer low key feels pretty ghood

[neat gazelle]

what % shjould reap of storm be proccing at on the meters?

mine shows 11 lol

Also, what makes than more tanker than slayer?

[honest trail]

Stuff like that

[olive wraith]

For keys? 11% sounds about right

[neat gazelle]

Gotcha! And ok so I’m on target

I really like slayer so far! I don’t feel like I’m really doing any less damage

[olive wraith]

It’s gonna vary regardless

[thorny zenith]

is slayer better than MT in m+ now or is it just getting hyped

[fading sky]

nearly same i think

Slayer deffo a bit fotw

[heavy galleon]

thane have better tankiness, and more CC

[fading sky]

coz its been shit so long, and a lot of ppl just love slayer

[heavy galleon]

Slayer feels more "fury" than thane for me

[olive wraith]

More cc?

[heavy galleon]

you can thunderbolt 3 targets

[burnt oxide]

Yesnt, multistormbolt

But more cd

[olive wraith]

You mean the random secondary bolt?

[burnt oxide]

Not a big dif

[heavy galleon]

this shit can save you

[burnt oxide]

Or screw your dr

[olive wraith]

You can’t target it though so it’s not consistent

[heavy galleon]

true xD

I don't like thane because I feel I'm playing tank xD

[vivid pollen]

slayer doing more on bosses I assume than thane is right?

[olive wraith]

Ya

[olive wraith]

Cause it shares a hero tree?

[burnt oxide]

Cause it has clap

[vivid pollen]

also it is kind of immortal

[olive wraith]

Arms had clap

[burnt oxide]

Yes, clap is historically an arms or prot spell

[heavy galleon]

let me WW as MT xD

[olive wraith]

[olive wraith]

Bs is an arms spell

[burnt oxide]

For 2 expansions

[loud zinc]

Not really better just nicer profile for certain keys

you have better single target damage, so you can prio down certain adds and kill bosses better

shoutout steelers btw

slayer IS however a lot better in raid for most fights

[vivid pollen]

How does it compare to arms (not including vanguard)

[loud zinc]

i haven't seen stats, but i do know both are being brought

[heavy galleon]

I don't like hero spec I hope they remove it one day

[loud zinc]

and critcake just uploaded a mythic Midnight Falls kill on slayer fury

[olive wraith]

Wouldn’t be surprised if it gets changed after the next expac

Probably gonna have to redo talent trees by then if I had to guess

[heavy galleon]

I hope

[fluid cedar]

for ER in keys dropping massacre in thane and 1/2 cruelty in slayer looks like the move ? judging from some top rio keys ? correct me if im wrong pls

[radiant plank]

yes

[lunar karma]

Slayer is so good for raids now its feels like such a significant single target buff and you don't lose alot on prio damage specing aw. Got my first 90 parse last night. (I'm new dont judge lmao)

[fading sky]

m8 u loose nothing speccin aoe

[loud zinc]

same. it’s literally one talent swap to give you a smidge more RB damage and thats it.

[uneven plaza]

Slayer =
Thane =

[fluid cedar]

feels so much better having ER

[neat gazelle]

how do i sim a full dungeon rather than like total bosses and 5 mins or wahtever

POS for example. how do i sim that entire dungeon?

[burnt oxide]

Way to complex to do for something with so many possible variables and variations

[radiant plank]

you can sim a dungeon route if you wanna learn how to do that and optimize the apl around it

[burnt oxide]

Also next to no gain from having that information

[mental nimbus]

@mossy fox is there a way to sim the tbc weaponstones https://www.wowhead.com/item=23529/adamantite-sharpening-stone on retail cuz they are usable till ilv 320
besides simming without weapon buff and then calculating it manually via statweight sim?

[neat gazelle]

was just gunna see if slayer or thane did bettter in certain dungo

[burnt oxide]

Looking up logs would be a decent idea as alternative

[fallen ginkgo]

just play slayer and spin

[neat gazelle]

@fallen ginkgo thats the play huh haha

[honest trail]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/y6xJ2FWMjTDBbCGz?fight=5&type=damage-done&source=370&targetclass=NPC
Is this accurate to compare WW vs RB usage in aoe? not sure how to analyze the numbers

Just testing

[fallen ginkgo]

for me it is yes, i just play whats more fun the numbers are close so it doesnt really matter

i think warrior is the best balanced class right now when it comes to what spec and herotalent you can play

[neat gazelle]

yeah for sure. i loved how slayer played but someone said something about how they think reap is bugged so made me nervous lol

whats your char name?

[fading sky]

Weapon dmg? Surely 36 2ndaries beat that

[fading sky]

Its not

They just bad, and wont admit it

[neat gazelle]

hahaha

[honest trail]

Reap is not bugged

[neat gazelle]

could be!

[honest trail]

Slayer in keys feels awesome atm

[fading sky]

Nono somehow they dont understand that 20% chance

[neat gazelle]

in slayer i should remove odyns fury from my reck macro since we send odyns after bladestorm?

[fading sky]

Means a 1 out of 5 ramps reaps

[polar narwhal]

It doesnt benefit from Improved Whirlwind like Bloodthirst did to give almost guaranteed vs 5 target

[neat gazelle]

this the correct aoe then for slayer or is this outdated lol

[polar narwhal]

Everything is updated on wowhead. #updates-midnight

If only OF gave IWW

[fading sky]

That was a math calc thing

[unique pagoda]

What is the reason for using bladestorm before Odyns fury? I feel like id make more sense to have aligned well with recklessness

[fading sky]

Bt didnt do that in midnight

[neat gazelle]

do we hold blade for reck always?

[gilded belfry]

Bs buff bleed

[unkempt oasis]

#fury message

[unique pagoda]

Thank you!

Also i feel like i'm doing good DMG but my surviveability well... Not great with only 2 def cds (3 if you count shout but its just DMG soak so not great), I starter thinking more about def stance. Is utilizing it a must in higher keys and raid encounters or should i just lock in better and hope my healer has demigod skills?

[severe pine]

Were people voting in the poll confused? I can't believe that many people use Defensive Stance compared to Wrecking Throw. Are they confused because Wrecking Throw in the poll is showing the Shattering Throw icon?

[haughty carbon]

Bro how 20% on arms feel good and 20% feel on fury never proc when u spam rampage x) its just mathematic not just « its 20% » Even noxiv feel really bad on it

[candid sorrel]

I use both

[chrome summit]

i seen some discussion that for MT fury its worth drop massacre for enraged regen. if play m+? cause exe isnt prio. is this true in general?

[mossy fox]

idk

[fading sky]

Fam it feels equally bad on arms

Ya reaps comea from sd

Ramp and cleave are bonus

[haughty carbon]

U Play when it was 30 and 25 on bloodthirst ?

I swear to god I see more proc on 20% BT with 3 secs cd than 20% on spamming rampage

[fading sky]

I played when it was 67

[unkempt oasis]

[haughty carbon]

lol im out

[fading sky]

Yes but thats feely craft m8

Well i did it was 20% per mob?🤣

[neat gazelle]

thanks! and probably just send odyns fury on cd unles it lines abck up with them?

[fading sky]

Was mad with cleave anyways, i rather less reaps bigger reaps

[haughty carbon]

Fury slayer from s3 TWW miss me

But this fury slayer is fuckin good to

[fading sky]

Its more likely coz u do a 3 swing animation

It feels less

[haughty carbon]

It just feel weird sometime

[fading sky]

Man all it needs are more consistent sd procs

Its what break spec

[haughty carbon]

y nut these procs are so fcking rng

[gilded belfry]

Just let us avatar reck syncro + bs or rav
Every pack
And for the rest of every season

Every time
Everyday

[haughty carbon]

15% of 3 slayer strike idk

Yeah lol

But Thane blasting a lot

No rng needed, only for sustain

Thane feel good in every key

[fading sky]

Y i dno, the 2p from season 3 tww

It did somethin 2 give us a better proc rate

I want that

[polar narwhal]

many procs in first minute, then a handful in the new 2 mins xd

[neat gazelle]

it procs by spamming rampage righyt? (new wwarrior here) xD

[eternal nebula]

any slayer enjoyers in m+ here? do we care about rend, st or in aoe

[fading sky]

No

It procs when it procs

[neat gazelle]

ah so just random

click buttons and hope it happens xD

[polar narwhal]

Slayer Strikes or randomly

[polar narwhal]

you apply it with whirlwind

[neat gazelle]

@polar narwhal this is gunna sound so bad but wahts a slayer strike lmfao

[eternal nebula]

oh wow, is that talent new? i dont recall it being spread for rend on that

or i have dementia

[lilac notch]

I think it was a QOL change in 12.0.5

[languid willow]

Is slayer arms still better prio than slayer fury ?

[neat gazelle]

Oh so it’s like passive

[spare flame]

does berserker shout remove fear from all raid members or only the 5 in your group within the raid?

[proven hornet]

group

[spare flame]

ty

[lapis rose]

Guys can someone sent fury war icon with good quality ? Can’t find it

[fading sky]

[late flame]

quick question... The weapon enchant arcane mastery. can both proc at the same Time? or is it troll to enchant both ?

[winter shoal]

They can, whether you want 2x arcane mastery or not is a sim question

[late flame]

okok

ty

[fringe citrus]

yo , did we change to slayer for m+?

[hollow glen]

#updates-midnight

[winter shoal]

If you want to, both are good for different reasons

[edgy widget]

group, and it's only removal - it will not preemptively immune

[fringe citrus]

I dont know man I am stuck for 19 resil , cant time AA on 19 it might be impossible

[spice wind]

Do i use the dungeon slice prefix to sim m+ content?

[dense elbow]

We believe in ya, just need that one good run, then ya set

[olive wraith]

Nah just do a multi target sim and an st sim and compare

[spice wind]

Patchwerk 5 boss? I just did a search on the disc and realized about 50 people have asked the same question, next time i should probably do the search first lol sorry

Hope my gear isn't completely scuffed now cause i've been using the dungeon slice as it sounded exactly like an m+

[spare edge]

Slayer is better now for m+?

[spare flame]

both are good

[olive wraith]

50 is less than I thought

[haughty zephyr]

Are we just doing two sets of sims for gear? Patchwork 5 target, and patchwork 1 target?

[undone flower]

I don’t

[olive wraith]

I sim st mainly

[undone flower]

Yeah 90% I just sim st

[olive wraith]

Only reason to do an aoe sim is for trinks

[haughty zephyr]

Is there a baseline without simming where you shouldn’t worry about haste anymore?

[undone flower]

Close to haste diminishing returns

So between 900 and 1300? Just sim gear, you know the bit

It doesn’t mean you need to get 900-1300 haste asap

[lofty seal]

is that the soft cap for secondary stats? 1kish?

[undone flower]

1200 for haste if I remember

You should not care about these if you sim

[modest condor]

important to note that these are not caps, they're just when DR kicks in

it's not uncommon for stats to be worth it even when you're hitting DR

[undone flower]

Like prot with haste, doesn’t give a shit about the DR

[past pivot]

tl;.dr: Sim if you give a scintilla of thought about stats

[regal marten]

Guys. what is softcap of mastery?

[olive wraith]

I challenge you to look up a little

[sullen dove]

well you see

i am a pig

and it is a well known fact that pigs cannot look up

ergo you will need to answer the question

[modest condor]

dont look up

[fading sky]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-simpsons-spiderpig-whatever-does-gif-22373180

[haughty zephyr]

Is the play still thane for fury by very minimal? In m+

[teal slate]

They can Infact look up just not as well as humans

It's the same wives tale as turkeys will drown from looking up in the rain

[echo scarab]

def thane

[fleet yarrow]

Welp

1st dreamrift

1st reroll

got mythic gaze

[keen kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/congrats-nice-happy-for-you-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-1927193140186872022

[sour cloak]

are there any good thane m+ guides on youtube?

rotation-wise

[desert cloud]

can you equip 2 crafted weapons ?

or are they unique ?

[sly merlin]

dude my key keeps getting bricked by specimens how is this possible easiest key btw

[keen kindle]

As long as they arent embellishments sure

Do not reccomend spending half ur sparks on weapons thou

[static loom]

If you're looking for weapons, it's quite easy to get one if you just coin in M+

[woven valley]

I got super lucky where I rolled chest, they gave the rolls back cause of the bug, then I rolled gaze and didn’t need to reroll the boss anymore lol 😂

[thorn hearth]

where do yoy check the damage averages for dungeons

like parse damage

i thought it was io but i cant find it

[regal marten]

What is softcap of mastery!

[thorn hearth]

like 1300

[thorn hearth]

1380

[modest condor]

literally read the message below that

[undone flower]

Or the message with the image

[regal marten]

Oh

I didn't know what that meant

I was legit lookging for that

Level 2 happy57 legend

With flask I have this on fury:
500 crit, 924 haste, 1286 mastery

I think I need just a bit more haste no?

[undone flower]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1407179540182339594/Statn.gif

[regal marten]

I also feel like trading 100 mastery for crit would do better but I'm nto sure

[regal marten]

xDD

[undone flower]

You should look your char like : what next piece of gear I would like, not final stats amounts

You can’t magically make a specific stat appear out of nowhere, it’s pieces of loot

Or enchants etc

[dense elbow]

Holey, the ilvl fits again! Full circle!

[regal marten]

No cause like

Idk

How do I show you my gear

[undone flower]

A sim report

since i don't care about your specific stats amount

[regal marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fM6VQyjJvqoD7e1et4DRDB

[undone flower]

but what you are wearing -> what you can get

[regal marten]

I can swap a ring crit/haste 60/50

[fallen solstice]

I think that's dogs, big al said so

[undone flower]

you do that in topgear which rings you have, you should wear

[sullen dove]

idk my aunts dog can look up at me like 5 ft above it with the soulful stare of a demon possessed

[regal marten]

I mean yea but overall Idk if sim is best way of measuring

[fallen solstice]

Just thought you were making a nod to Shaun of the Dead

[sullen dove]

o no, maybe watched it once but prolly too young remember anything

[fallen solstice]

It's the best we got

Give it another go, it's a classic

[regal marten]

I mean it's like what you can do in 1 fight but fights are versatile, crit is like % that it may happen

Or like 100~haste improving my stuff for 0.05s may be worse to put

[undone flower]

crit variance is flattened by the huge number of attacks

[regal marten]

Reap of Storms can crit too no?

Ya sim is saying to replace what I thought about too

It's like trying to discuss from your personal experience if more critt or maybe fck the haste have 900 on slayer/1000 on thane etc

[undone flower]

it wants to replace your rings with nexus point set ?

[steep bough]

weird question, but my sims are showing me crit haste are the way to go but i feel like i have significantly less mastery than other people i see in logs. Im only at 734 or 34% mastery

is that normal

[regal marten]

Nono I have myth PoS ring and replace the one that gives 200 mastery 50 haste

To get 150 crit and more haste

But Idk if I want more haste on slayer it's kinda weird

[regal marten]

Can you share?

[steep bough]

my sim?

[regal marten]

Yy

[steep bough]

its a sim thats showing me to gem and use boots that are crit/haste over more mastery, its also locked me into the void rings from NPX over double haste/mastery

[regal marten]

Send the link

[steep bough]

sec

[regal marten]

Of top gear

Okk

[static loom]

The value of Mastery, Haste and Crit are all very close

So you'll find that as you gear up, it will recommend a combination of either of those three stats as you gain higher gear

Across my 5 warriors, I've got different gems being recommended, for example 🤷

[undone flower]

you didn't enchant your rings with eagle eye ?

[steep bough]

you would think mastery would just be better, because the whole goal is to be enraged 100% of the time

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bq9AwD77wwe5N5wCXNqbdX
@regal marten

[dim spindle]

May I please borrow your Heart for a bit

I'll return it soon I swear

In exchange you can borrow my crucible

[dim spindle]

npx ring proc is pretty strong for being free

[undone flower]

it's moonfrost heart, that's my char

[regal marten]

Fury no I still went zul mastery

[undone flower]

eagle eye got buffed in .5

[dim spindle]

May I please borrow your character for a bit. I'll return it soon I swear

[undone flower]

almost every spec in the game plays it

[regal marten]

What is the stats on that?

[dim spindle]

eagle eye was a solid .7% upgrade vs secondary chants for me. On par with a heroic --> mythic upgrade

Even better on multi target

[undone flower]

on moonfrost char, it's 1%

[dim spindle]

It'll be nice in the future for dodging the DR just a bit more, too

[regal marten]

You think I should go eyes of eagle?

[dim spindle]

Probably. Ask mr. robot

[regal marten]

I'd gladly use it on arms yea

[steep bough]

it sims the highest

[regal marten]

Wait but I think you have 500 crit no?

With that gear

Shieldshot

[undone flower]

since it got buffed from 1% crit dmg-> 2% crit dmg, it's very good

[dim spindle]

Speaking as thane. Crit is actually allegedly stronger than mastery for me at this point, too. About 282 ilvl, 284 if I inflate with a mythic trinket that's not even an upgrade in m+

[steep bough]

i have 563 crit

[regal marten]

Oh I didn't see it

[regal marten]

Yea that's good though

[regal marten]

Oh now I saw this

What's your haste then?

[undone flower]

monk is juiced up too, and still can craft 2 pieces

[steep bough]

im at 1059 unbuffed haste

[dim spindle]

Crit is also even better in aoe scenarios

[dim spindle]

good lord

Your trinket fortune is off the charts

[undone flower]

i used bonus rolls for them

[regal marten]

Try to drop 150 haste with some other gear. I think you'll do more dps

For me 950~ is best

[dim spindle]

why haste?

[regal marten]

I see no change from 950 above

[steep bough]

ive run sims on literally every piece of gear ive got lol and this is what sims the best

[dim spindle]

no change on sims?

[regal marten]

No, no change in m+

In general

[dim spindle]

I, for one, welcome our AI overlord(s)

[regal marten]

I've run into no problems that one ability is too slow be4 I can send my next rampage etc

[regal marten]

Well you need more gear

[dim spindle]

it's not just that, haste boosts quite a few sources of damage

bleeds, autoattack, etc

[regal marten]

Wait 1s

[dim spindle]

Also with high haste you get to see your character model freeze into a goofy position for a few seconds now and then

Bonus

[regal marten]

It's weird cause you have 550 crit with all socketed and the mastery is non existant

[undone flower]

And it reduces gcd

[regal marten]

Like in sims it may be good but in game it's kinda different because of ping and such

That's why I can't see a difference

[dim spindle]

A major benefit of sims is sample sizes and less variance, but it is true that it's not 100% representative of real world gameplay

[static loom]

As I stated above, the value of Crit, Mastery and Haste are all basically equal once we get high enough gear. Any gear with a combination of said three stats will be good, and you'll quite often see the three trade places in terms of which is the 'strongest', but in practise all three are basically equal

[fleet garden]

So what you're saying is value of crit/mastery scales with age of the player /s

[regal marten]

The age?

[dim spindle]

The tek to beating latency is to just mash your keys as hard and fast as possible

If you're not going through a keyboard every 30-60 days are you even gaming? I think not

[fleet garden]

(reaction times)

[regal marten]

Most likely

If your reaction is bad go 900 crit, if good 950-1000

[dim spindle]

Also to avoid oceanic servers at all costs. Physically painful

Not labeling groups OCE is a crime against humanity

[regal marten]

WoW has this thing like if you press buttons prematurely they will cast but it's not 1 to 1

I have times when I have abilities available and nothing happens

[undone flower]

You will not defeat the pawn mindset, it’s an everyday battle

[regal marten]

Or times when it's just slow despite my haste

[compact knot]

vers will also eventually catch up to the other 4 stats

it always does

[dim spindle]

Can't wait. Big fan of vers

More DR in M+ makes me happy

[static loom]

Indeed, yet if I were to swap all of my gems on my main from haste+mas, to crit+haste/crit+mas, I'd lose something like 150 dps 🤷

[dim spindle]

I mean if you can't stand in fire to do max dps what are you even doing. Bring back fury gen from damage taken imo

[undone flower]

Yes it’s just to say, we try to explain here it doesn’t matter everyday to a lot of ppl, it’s one of the circle discussion

[dim spindle]

Time is a flat circle, just like online gaming communities

Cancel that - ALL online communities

[regal marten]

What is this 😭

[modest condor]

is it even worth running fyralath? it has crit

[static loom]

Who cares about the DPS, it's another charge!

[modest condor]

mobility Pog

[desert cloud]

was asking for a friend

im already chilling with my green toes

[unborn musk]

Out of curiosity, what's your overall in +13-14 keys? I can't break 135K(even tho is more than enough) at 280 ilvl

[sly merlin]

check fury dmg parses for that key level on the specific key u wanna know and u can get a decent idea

[unborn musk]

are those logged by someone else? I never logged my runs but they are here. (I'm full 13 with a single +14)

[compact knot]

yes they are logged by other people

[unborn musk]

Ok, so I need to log my own runs for the best results

Thanks for the explanations

[sour frigate]

Need to play better for the best results

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[bleak olive]

3 runs you weren’t locked in, cmon dude lock in

[next mica]

what do people drop to run enraged regen in m+?

[winter shoal]

Massacre for thane, cruelty for slayer

[heavy abyss]

I’ve seen some drop a point from Cruelty to run both Enraged Regen and Massacre

[dapper mountain]

is rampaging ruin ever worth it? i cant tell if its a damage icnrease or not

[distant nacelle]

I heard that Naowh showed a macro that tabs and kicks an enemy that is casting, is that true? 😮

[olive wraith]

Not really

[olive wraith]

Was it not just a focus kick macro?

[distant nacelle]

Not from what I heard

But I might be wrong

[edgy widget]

I've found slightly better results dropping Ex Precision before Massacre, just because Massacre has more ST value

[edgy widget]

/cast [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] Pummel
/stopmacro [@focus,exists,nodead,harm] 
/focus target 
/cleartarget 
/targetenemy 
/cast Pummel 
/target focus 
/clearfocus 
/startattack```

it leverages WoW's tab target logic, which prioritizes targets that are currently casting something (for that reason, you can also kinda replicate it just by pressing tab yourself, but sometimes you don't want to change your primary target)

its not perfect though, since its difficult to prioritize a specific target when multiple things are casting, and it won't differentiate kickable casts from non-kickable ones

so you probably want to use it alongside a separate specific kick or focus macro, which is what the initial focus lines are there for

cc: @distant nacelle

[distant nacelle]

Thank you! 🙌🏽

[undone flower]

Archi sharing the infamous macro was not on my bingo

[orchid crag]

So is Slayer even worth it for fury?

[winter shoal]

If you want to, it's very similar to thane

[orchid crag]

So Arms Slayer the best warrior build in raids?

Seems to top out most fights for warrior

[pearl gate]

quick qn on our BIS....i know our bis necklace is the one from midnight falls but what are the next best option if i dont think ill be able to do mythic midnight falls? i looked into crafting one, but i wont be able to put arcanoweave lining so its abit of a conudrum.....

[indigo arch]

Fury does hunt on weapon and arcano on wrist primarily anyway.

Crafted angle, that or pit of saron neck

The bg questline neck is a good stopgap neck also

[pearl gate]

gotcha tks

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove 👉 🕐

[winter shoal]

Depends on the fight and what sort of damage profile you want. I'd play colossus on dragons and paladins but you can reasonably justify any spec on the other fights

[sullen dove]

📆

[lusty jungle]

so...anyone has a ufc stream to share

[neat gazelle]

Looks like I’m still a heavy favorite of thane in m+ after testing some. Both good tho!

[winter shoal]

99% sure you can just google it and find a billion pirated streams of any sporting event ever

[quasi pebble]

hello, whats the best way to sim for multitarget?

[compact knot]

5t5m

what i do typically is just a 1 target 5 min sim

for both specs

[orchid crag]

Do we take Rampaging Ruin as Fury Slayer?

[pearl sequoia]

no

[timber bluff]

Ok so I’m a little confused on when’s the best time to use slayer or mountain thane. I’ve been running mountain than for everything but I see people saying to swap depending on fights (roads mythics etc)

I got used to playing MT and really like it I feel like I done forgot how to play slayer 🤡😅

[woven valley]

Just give both a try on each boss fight, they both have their strengths. Slayer does more boss damage and thane does more sustained aoe

Though slayer on Lura feels so good

Also I’m in the same boat, slayer feels so clunky compared to thane now that we don’t have avatar and bladestorm

Like having your two big CDs for slayer be desynced by design feels awful

[modest condor]

not the first time

back in shadowlands we had 40 second spear, variable cooldown reck and 1 minute bladestorm

[woven valley]

Didn’t feel good then either lol 😂

[undone flower]

Or last season roar/bs/reck

[bitter palm]

roar fake cd

[modest condor]

^

roar stopped doing damage like 4 seasons ago

[bitter palm]

remember in df

[woven valley]

Yeah but at least having avatar and reck being together felt decent

[bitter palm]

when it would just be ur top dps by far

in algethar first pull

[woven valley]

Now it just feels like you’re always doing suboptimal damage cause your kit doesn’t allow you to burst big

[modest condor]

it was also fun on last boss temple of jade serpent

[worn yoke]

I'm still using this until I either get mythic Lura neck (still weeks off this) or it's crest effieicient to craft a neck (also 3 weeks off this point)

[modest condor]

because it lined up with add spawns

you did like 3x the damage to adds of the other dps

[bitter palm]

y it owned

[woven valley]

I’m dealing with this as well, thinking of crafting a neck and going for the nexus point rings with rolls till I can go for Lura gear

[worn yoke]

Slayer just needs anger management to affect Bladestorm and it'd be (even more) amazing. I've been having great success in keys with it already. Id say thane is only better in 1/2 keys.

[bitter palm]

they should just put it on am and remove slayer cdr

same with demolish for arms

[worn yoke]

I'm still a ways off M.lura and there's no mastery necks. Crests are just better spent on primary stat upgrades for now

[woven valley]

I pretty much have all my
Other gear lined up atm so I could either do upgrades on low priority items for damage or go for the big stam upgrades neck and rings give

Helps with progging cause more health means less die

[indigo arch]

Yea my ass is gonna craft

[timber bluff]

Yess mountain thane imo seems faster and sweatier and I’ve gotten up to 130 dps at my ilvl I just keep fucking around with my talents and messing it up

I’ve been getting my builds off like method and archon

[woven valley]

yeah pretty much what i do is look at what other people are using for the fights (top parsers) then change things based on what i wanna do for my group

half the time im lazy and just use a basic ass build

[rancid ledge]

thane just has better burst its weird to say

[timber bluff]

it does

cause slayer i feel your only big burst is bladestorm?

[rancid ledge]

so its good in short fights but slayer just feels better

[timber bluff]

and recklessness

[rancid ledge]

even then its not that crazy of burst

[timber bluff]

ive only ever played slayer but recently i swapped to MT

[rancid ledge]

keep playing slayer

[timber bluff]

i just deleted all my builds to start over lmao

[rancid ledge]

its +- same now

[timber bluff]

i tried it today and felt like i forgot how to play it, i find mt is mroe fun

[rancid ledge]

ive been progging paladins as both and slayer just feels better

[timber bluff]

but i do want to make the dps

[rancid ledge]

mt also relies a lot on getting the 3bt proc so

[timber bluff]

so ill stop getting sat from fkn raid cause im not parsing as well

3bt?

[rancid ledge]

u get 3 free casts of bt

when u press clap u get chance

[woven valley]

Yeah both hero talent sets have too much rng built in imo

[timber bluff]

ahh

[woven valley]

Between slayer strikes and thunder blast being procs

[rancid ledge]

ive gotten more consistent rolls with execute than with clap

slayer strikes is pretty consistent in keys

[timber bluff]

i feel like ive gottom more with tc

but im alo prob doing it wrong XD

I’m determined to get good at fury warrior though so

[rancid ledge]

send logs

[woven valley]

Fury is fun once you get into the groove

[fickle stirrup]

Mainly 1 fight, despite some of the others having adds, of a mid raid did generational damage to Fury and it sucks.
Both OF and BS feel like a husk of their former self.

[timber bluff]

I don’t have any logs from tonight

I skipped raid tonight cause it was heroic and yeh

Last three heroics I’ve tried I’ve been sat in so

[bitter palm]

bs owns wdym

[rancid ledge]

yeah kinda sad that BS doesnt get cd reduction through rampage

[timber bluff]

If it did that would be great

[stable lion]

Noob question: why don't we take Rampaging Ruin for M+?

[rancid ledge]

feels like i need to think a lot

[sullen dove]

cuz its not good

and kills your single target

[rancid ledge]

no points left

[bitter palm]

its a dps loss at lower target count and requires cancelaura to make it a dps gain

[stable lion]

lol okay new question - why is it not good

[bitter palm]

which is an insane amount of effort

for not much

[sullen dove]

that

[stable lion]

what cancel aura?

oooh

[bitter palm]

it doesnt make ur rampage to extra aoe

it replaces rampage entirely

[stable lion]

I see

thats fuckin stupid lol

[bitter palm]

and rampage does more damage below 4-5 targets or something im not sure

[woven valley]

I feel your pain, if you get some logs I don’t mind helping as well. The buffs we got recently helped a lot. I know in my mythic raid I’ve been climbing the dps meter a lot lately compared to before buff

[rancid ledge]

genius talent

[woven valley]

💪

[bitter palm]

so u have to cancelaura the buff

to use regular rampage

ye its dogshit

[undone flower]

Unusable forever on thane

[timber bluff]

Your in mythic raids?

😭

[stable lion]

so it legit is bonkers for pulls bigger than 5 but is absolutely int for things under 5

[timber bluff]

I climbed to top 5 in normals

[stable lion]

thus why it feels like my dps caps when others are pushing 1mil+ on big AoE pulls in high keys

[rancid ledge]

yeah feels like i have a good excuse to not play granpa arms

on paladins

[timber bluff]

XD

fury is just so sweaty

It’s why I love it

[bitter palm]

it caps cause ur source of aoe is capped

[rancid ledge]

ret is even more apparently so im leveling one

[bitter palm]

and arms isnt much better in extremely high count pulls either

like algethar first pull

[timber bluff]

I feel like I make a build, try it on the dummies, do 130ish AOE and like 60-70 ST then apply it to raid and my numbers look like it’s my first day playing wow

[woven valley]

Yeah we are just about to start alleria

[timber bluff]

Jeeze

What’s your dps look like ?

[woven valley]

My urge to smash only gets stronger the harder they make it for us fury warriors lol 😂

[timber bluff]

YES EXACTLY

my GL told me to try another class I said FUCK NO

Idc what it takes my ass is going to figure fury warrior out

[rancid ledge]

raid puts pressure on u with mechs u just gotta get the reps in to it so u can get more consistent with rotation and when to send cds

[woven valley]

Honestly depends on the fight? I was top on first boss cause add pad is real

[timber bluff]

That’s sick af

[rancid ledge]

bro i cant parse in my guild we have too many padders

[timber bluff]

What’s top numbers on that look like?

I mean as long as I’m out of the gray I’m happy

[bitter palm]

parse boss damage ez

[rancid ledge]

yeah honestly might be the play

[woven valley]

I’ll have to go check lol 😂 I haven’t checked my parses once this entire xpac

[rancid ledge]

didnt think of that

[undone flower]

Not a lot are ready for boss dmg enlightenment

[bitter palm]

padding makes my cortisol spike

[timber bluff]

It’s def humbling

[bitter palm]

"do i hold X for 14 seconds for add spawn"

[timber bluff]

What’s padding

I know what parsing is-

[rancid ledge]

im blue parsing in mythic man how am i gonna guild hop now 😅

[timber bluff]

Pfft

[rancid ledge]

ad damage cleave

[timber bluff]

O h

[bitter palm]

doing irrelevant damage

[timber bluff]

Ohhh

I do that a lot !

[bitter palm]

first few weeks or w/e it wasnt pad cause adds had to die

[undone flower]

With kills you can hop slightly higher, or boss dmg parses exist too

[bitter palm]

now they get overkilled so hard

people are just wasting cds on adds and making the fight longer for no reason

[rancid ledge]

ig vro idk my guild rn found me so im staying here until i get another callup

[woven valley]

I know the way I look at it, if the boss died I did my part kek

[undone flower]

Yeah it’s just to say, if you blue parse but you have killed like Lura mythic, you can still hop higher

[timber bluff]

Im going to go to the targets and make a build

See if I cry or not lmao

[woven valley]

https://tenor.com/view/troopers-responsible-helpful-doing-my-part-gif-11496062726020391529

[rancid ledge]

bro with how things are looking we are probably gonna be race to world last again

[undone flower]

Which boss are you at ? I think you underestimate how long the patch is gonna be

[rancid ledge]

paladins

[bitter palm]

@smoky vale what are u saving ur cs for on the mini boss gang its exe phase

just send

u get it back in 20s

[timber bluff]

Oop

[rancid ledge]

im still no myth weap cuz guild told me not to take one out if vault and no gaze

[undone flower]

???

[woven valley]

This tier is gonna be way longer than people think

[rancid ledge]

i told them that its a mistake doing that but a warrior that parse rank 1 on mugzee said that i was wrong!

[woven valley]

We have at least 10 weeks of the buff left

And the patch lasts a while after that usually

[rancid ledge]

we did get a rly fast .5 patch so it feels rushed

[bitter palm]

gearing is never stopping

idk i dont think it feels rushed at all

[woven valley]

It has been fast

[rancid ledge]

well not rushed but half way point

[undone flower]

Who tf would think that

[woven valley]

Just hard compared to older tiers

[rancid ledge]

but its not half way

[bitter palm]

ye cause we have .7 with a 1 boss raid

that drops 298

[rancid ledge]

some genius

[woven valley]

I feel like they wanted this first tier to last a bit longer so they could make sweeping changes for tier 2

[undone flower]

MDI final is in September