fury

[loud zinc]

lmao ye but ramp not to overcap is defo more important than naked execute

[brittle crow]

yes it's also more important than sd

[loud zinc]

i’m not sure about SD over overcap

[lament carbon]

I know I should always sim my character, but is there a general Crit/Haste benchmark or breakpoint for Slayer I should reach first?

[brittle crow]

but that's not what we're talking abt

[loud zinc]

it’s what started this i think

[brittle crow]

nuh uh

[warm crag]

no just sim it

[loud zinc]

lolol

[brittle crow]

we're talking about ragish being goofy and saying that execute and sd are above rampage not to overcap

in which case

[loud zinc]

oh ya goofball

[brittle crow]

those r the same thing

[warm crag]

need to start banning ragish for every mistake they make

[warped bone]

Sim me Spongie ❤️

[loud zinc]

100k guild bank rn

[warm crag]

hello rahtae

you were playing overwatch earlier

why?

[warped bone]

I was bored

Also stalker

[warm crag]

get cooked buddy

[brittle crow]

why overwatch if bored..

[warm crag]

when are we reforming bow

[lament carbon]

Gonna go run some sims now, thanks again!

[warm crag]

jimmy needs a guild with not noobs

[warped bone]

It's slightly less booooring than being straight up bored @brittle crow

[warm crag]

and i need a guild that will bring 3 dps warriors even if they are horrible dogshit

[loud zinc]

enormous

[brittle crow]

idkkkk

[warped bone]

In a decade when Momo's mind has recovered

[warm crag]

man put too much pressure on himself

[warped bone]

For sure

[sly eagle]

i think you should be aiming to go for the haste soft cap (30%)

[warped bone]

Also i don't wana run more keys at the moment. Been doing 50-60 a week since season started across all the dang alts xD

[brittle crow]

yea but overwatch is too far

go play a Real game like fistful of frags

[warped bone]

Spongie. Can you make my guild kill L'uuura. I've been relegated to ret paladin on that fight

[warped bone]

I have no idea what that is

[warm crag]

sending mind beams

[warped bone]

Looks riveting

[warm crag]

some woke leftist game

[warped bone]

[brittle crow]

hello kitty island adventure

[warped bone]

I'd rather not get on some watchlist playing that as a 35 year old man

[brittle crow]

follow ur dreams

[warped bone]

My dreams are to stay out of jail for as long as possible

[lament carbon]

One more question:is RB strictly for ST? Do we just use WW as filler on AoE pulls?

[warm crag]

[brittle crow]

prison laptops can run wow now

[warm crag]

with or without elvui

[unique pagoda]

when is barbaric training better compared to stance mastery? want to undrstand why top loggers use either of them

[rotund ginkgo]

What if I make guild

[radiant plank]

1 day 4h

with mandatory PTR testing and extra 12h per week for first 2 weeks and final boss

[warm crag]

0 day 0 hr with added days and hours

[rotund ginkgo]

Optional mythic clears

Mandatory heroic reclears

Add extra day for lfr first 4 weeks

[rotund ginkgo]

I actually wanna make guild tho ngl

[radiant plank]

mandatory boost for last 6 weeks of tier

[rotund ginkgo]

But I need a raid lead

[coarse nest]

How fast would we clear Lura?

[rotund ginkgo]

Why even bother? Ts too easy

Just let her stay til next tier

Then 1shot

Chatting

[coarse nest]

Xdd

[rotund ginkgo]

Call it Dull Edge

True race to world last

[warm crag]

why would you found a guild if youre not gonna rl

[rotund ginkgo]

I would rl but I don't feel confident

Also NO ONE wants or needs warriors

[coarse nest]

I got to do Lura first night

Curious if they keep dragging me along xd

[manic tapir]

why does rampage take off an improved ww charge at the END of the cast holy, so annoying

[south kayak]

🤷

[junior oyster]

Yyyeah, took me some getting used to that lol

[fleet yarrow]

I just don't know how to do academy beyond a 15!!

[manic tapir]

i have enough trouble keeping up with a gazillion haste when everything is proccing

dont need that lol

[rotund ginkgo]

Because they changed how rampage works with improved ww end of tww

I'm pretty sure iwt addon fixes it tho

[manic tapir]

Oh really? whats iwt mate?

oh improved ww tracker 😐 , dont mind me slow day, thanks mate

[rotund ginkgo]

Or, if it doesn't, at least it's semi easy to track it there not sure

[warm crag]

you should probably be brought at this point

[fading sky]

Sensei resourcebars does as well

[hollow maple]

are we also using adamantite sharpening stone on mainhand same as survival ?

[still silo]

Is this actually still a thing lol

[hollow maple]

yah

[still silo]

would the refulgent whetstone not be better?

[fair void]

hey, someone have a addon or something to give info to team about spell reflect up pls ? c:

[still silo]

isnt thalassian pheonix oil just better?

[fair solstice]

Has anyone tried to beloren prog while on another guild

i want to prog beloren but my guild is on palas still

how would u find a group to do that

[still silo]

you would be mythic id locked

unless you played a different chaarcter

oh

march

use the recruitment discord

people will pick up players for that nights raid prog in the discord if they miss players

[fair solstice]

oh what discord is that

looks cool

[still silo]

Recruitment and community (EU) discord

i cant invite people to it though due to permissions so youll have to find it

[fair solstice]

thanks

[hollow maple]

not for survival atleast, you still use pheonix oil on offhand though. Im not a TC so idk shit about shit was just curious if fury did the same

[still silo]

id say if wowhead is showing to use pheonix oil its probably better

[lost reef]

Goes does anyone look on this things in m+ warcraft logs

And what does this even mean

why does it says my best dps on +19n px was 154k

if the number was much higher

[warm crag]

i have never seen this before

[warm crag]

couldve been fake dps from aug or your damage meter being shit

[novel rivet]

wcl parses the log and can exclude damage in some cases (to exclude padding for example, I don't know the rules for m+ runs), also it uses total time instead of time in combat like details do

[coarse nest]

My default ui damage meter bugs out all the time

[warm crag]

or "overall" damage including downtime idk

[lost reef]

i dont think that was my metter bugging out cuz i was in premade

and it worked for them the same

[coarse nest]

I’ve had it show 60k dps in an aoe pull with all cooldowns when logs show significantly more

The in game damage meter just sucks plane and simple

[novel rivet]

there's wcl discord you can try asking there about technical details

[lost reef]

kk ty

[rotund ginkgo]

Wclogs exclude downtime

My bad, include downtime

Whereas details excludes

E.g your academy can be 200k but it'll be like 175k in logs

[compact siren]

@warm crag you love a good key parse

[ornate gust]

If I upgrade one ring to max. Will I spend crests when upgrading the other ring?

[teal slate]

Yes

[still silo]

yes

rings and trinkets require 2

only reason fury doesnt need it for 2 weapons is because arms exists

[ornate gust]

Thanks

[mossy veldt]

yoyo, still got beaten in aoe & st situation by couple of classes [19-20s] as fury thane, need another buff or what?

[safe imp]

The buff was decent but definitely not enough to take us to the top imo

[vague stump]

do you any of the nerds in here know what the crest reduction is when you get the 285 achi?

[sage ridge]

Isn't it like the rest

It becomes 10 to upgrade instead of 15

or 15

[quiet geyser]

10 instead of 20*

[unique locust]

@edgy widget for fury with voidforge should we use Hunt+arcano or 2 arcano?

[worthy stirrup]

Fury Slayer now prioritizes Execute above Bloodbath in single target so when procs execute or allways?

[brittle glacier]

u dont want to be top

middle of the pack

is the best place to be

to not get nerfed

[sage ridge]

Or just be Dev and Unholy

And be at the top

And stay there

[brittle glacier]

got nerfed, im sure that if they keep overperforming they will catch a nerf or two

they arent mage after all

[sage ridge]

They got a nerf

[brittle glacier]

the arguably main class in wow

[sage ridge]

AFter they got a huge buff

[brittle glacier]

yeah that was arguably pretty weird

let bliz cook from what they said about warrior tuning we might get another ballance patch before next season

[scarlet swift]

Slayer/Thane still basically the same?

[brittle glacier]

or let chat gpt cook

[sage ridge]

Idealy you want to be so good that even when you get nerfed you are still the best

Ideally*

[brittle glacier]

well devourer is new spec

obv was gonna be busted

cough aug cough

im sure they will be collecting data from this reset to improve the ballance

[edgy oasis]

Looks fury is doing fine. Yes ST is shit. Yes most raid teams take one for battle shout. Yes raid teams expect us to take arms one in a while. Yes we bring nothing. And yes blizzard make us ok at the end of the season.

Im kind of done with Paladins and dks being top. Had enough of it.

My guild suffers from flavour of the month players...

[civic hemlock]

This is still the best slayer M+ talent build right?

[bitter palm]

unholy got the

not op in raid

so they dont care

[neat gazelle]

Thane is still best in m+ I believe right?

[brittle glacier]

same

sitting bench

chiiling in keys

[teal slate]

id honestly drop massacre for regen. cause having a real defensive is super nice and only like a .01% dps loss not really using execute much imo in thane

[carmine crescent]

Or just drop a point out of Cruelty

[worn rain]

massacre after buffs sims a lot higher now

[soft mantle]

u can play both in high m+, thane a bit more aoe, slayer a bit more st

[teal slate]

cruelty if youre slayer ye, mass for thane. cause youy focus bloodthirst and rampage over execute in thane

[untold steeple]

As far as I know, Thane is also a bit sturdier. In Slayer, you have a certain dependency on your execute procs.

[bleak bluff]

i hate praying for execute procs...

[scarlet swift]

rotation question, whats your next button here? 4 stacks of ww are already applied

BT/RB/Wrecking? wait the gcd for Execute?

WW cuz its cleave? but 4 stacks are up

[oblique thistle]

Look at the aoe priority list on wowhead

But more importantly never wait a gcd for anything

Always cast something

[scarlet swift]

Ok so it is BT still

[oblique thistle]

Yes

The only time you press whirlwind over execute is while you are in your cds

Because you have execute active you can cycle between bt, execute, rampage, and whirlwind

[scarlet swift]

Should i take raging off my bars even? Its a bad habit to push it, i might as well WW and reapply stacks

[oblique thistle]

No

You will press raging blow in single target

[scarlet swift]

i did that with rend, i just ww

[oblique thistle]

Once you apply rend raging blow is next in priority in st

You will press it, raging blow doesn't do nothing in the rotation

[scarlet swift]

i dont think ive hit the rend button physically, ever, lol

[oblique thistle]

Correct you dont need to

The reason rend is in the priority list for st is because it is technically a slight gain to press rend itself in pure ST

[tulip lotus]

For Thane ST, when nothing else is up than regular TC and RB, what holds prio?

[winter shoal]

RB

[oblique thistle]

RB

[tulip lotus]

What about Execute? Is it just below BT?

[oblique thistle]

Yes

[honest trail]

Pït 18

Very fun

[tulip lotus]

Ty guys <3

[honest trail]

@dense elbow look BS is doing dmg

[oblique thistle]

Not at the top so doesn't count

Reap also above so damage breakdown is bad

[tulip lotus]

Personally I can't do Slayer in M+. Having to keep WW buff up constantly is such a pain

[oblique thistle]

Did the bit for you

[honest trail]

Also quite good boss dmg

[dusk harbor]

alt+f4

[scarlet swift]

did that, now what

[fiery edge]

reroll

[dense elbow]

I am well aware, also it is 14% there, not 10%

Reap could take a solid 10-20% nerf tho, move it into more ST and/or BS dam

[honest trail]

What do you mean 14%

[dense elbow]

Blizz dam meter got BS split into two

[honest trail]

Ah maybe

Omg it was not logged 🙁

[bitter palm]

please no more bs dam

[honest trail]

Why not

Bladestorm be pumping

[dense elbow]

Go back to arms, arms boyo with bad arms takes

[honest trail]

Arms not liking BS when theirs is 5s long

[hollow leaf]

do you guys know if there's a way to check what faction your haranir/vulpera is

[latent hedge]

see what portal you can take

org or storm

also vulp is horde only?

[radiant plank]

Yours is horde

[hollow leaf]

right mb

meant pandaren

[hollow leaf]

thanks pookie

helping a friend who's playing the game for the first time

I don't recall if alliance/horde characters can queue random dungeons, I don't think they can

[radiant plank]

nop

[paper pond]

Guys, quick question, is fury easier to play than arms?

[hollow leaf]

neither are particularly difficult but yeah I'd probably say so

[thorny verge]

Isnt Arms with the burst damage and fury with the more static damage

[sage ridge]

No

They are both a flat dps type

[thorny verge]

[paper pond]

Alright, thank you. One more thing then, am I fucking myself over too much by going slayer over mountain thane? Kinda bored of MT after playing protection for a while

[hollow leaf]

nah you're fine

[tardy cipher]

Slayer arms easier imo, it's super easy and no high apm

[sage ridge]

requires positioning a lot more tho

[hollow leaf]

I mean...not really

[olive wraith]

Isn’t it like 7 apm difference

[paper pond]

I've tried slayer arms and it was alright but to be fair I really enjoy doing a bunch of solo content like delves or ritual sites, and arms was painfully squishy. Obviously I'm new and trash, and I had also swapped from protection to it, but yeah

Only reason I'm interested in either of the dps specs is that playing a tank in m+ feels too stressful lol

[deep ridge]

Slayer fury is a ton of fun in m+ after the last two updates so knock yourself out, mate. Just zug zug

[sage ridge]

Position for OP, Cleave, CS

Fury

Just send everything

ez

[paper pond]

Alright then my one true last question, is the wowhead guide good enough to follow?

[hollow leaf]

I'm not sure I'd call standing in front of the pack positioning but sure

[hollow leaf]

yes

[paper pond]

Alright, fury it is. Thanks a lot, friends. Zug zug

[grand vale]

As long as it is written by the fury legend it will be 🙂

[sage ridge]

Don't really care what you'd call it. Arms does require positioning to be affective

Fury basically ignores it for the most part

Especially if you start to play Colossus

[grand vale]

Does arms need parry?

or why in front

[supple axle]

For fury slayer in keys should we be hitting whirlwind for aoe? Feels to easy compared to thane lol

[hollow leaf]

cleave and overpower are frontals

[hollow leaf]

press whirlwind to keep your stacks up in aoe, yes

[dusky cipher]

hello guys, im completely new to warrior. I want to try out Fury for running M+. What is the current go to for spec?

[keen kindle]

thane

Please check wowhead for rotations and such

also #dps-faq

[dusky cipher]

ok thanks, is wowhead good for talents still?

[hollow leaf]

yes

[dusky cipher]

awsome, thankyou guys

[hollow leaf]

wowhead is always your best place to go

[dusky cipher]

yeah wasnt sure after the class buffs if anything had changed

[hollow leaf]

if they have, wowhead will be changed with it

[teal slate]

you can run either and do well in high keys, thane is just more user friendly to new people. cause clap applies all your stuff for you instead of having to maintain whirlwind buff

[dusky cipher]

great thanks

[warm crag]

what do you mean

clap and ww both apply rend and you gotta maintain meat cleaver anyways as thane

[teal slate]

sigh because in thane clap applies youre buff and is super intuitive to workinto your rotation cause it procs to blast so often. where as alot of people forget to whirlwind after the buff drops off... while clap gives you your whirlwind buff making it easier to play for new people..... sorry that was hard to understand some how

[warm crag]

are you a roleplayer or something

[sage ridge]

Cause all you do is use WW instead of TC

Really not that hard

[warm crag]

anyways they're effectively the same youre gonna have to look at meat cleaver stacks either way

[sage ridge]

i will say you do have to keep more of an eye on it in Slayer

Since in Thane it's rare to have to hit it specifically for meat cleaver stacks

[warm crag]

if unlucky in cds and most of the time outside of cds but ye

[teal slate]

Yeah totally a roleplayer...

[loud zinc]

any other slayer sweaties sort of irritated by how feast or famine it can feel? wish there was something like Colossus Dominance that was guaranteed stacks of Executioner or something to give you more reliable CDR

[neat gazelle]

i know slayer is btter in ST, but is MT still the most overral dps still?

[loud zinc]

yeah, generally. key dependent imo tho

like the overall is usually better, but you sort of want more ST on certain keys than pad dmh

dmg*

[neat gazelle]

i just geared my guy so havent seen it yet

but is MT ST like attrocious?

[loud zinc]

no

[neat gazelle]

or just not as good as slayer

[loud zinc]

just not as good

it's like 5-6k behind for me

[neat gazelle]

oh thats not like the end of the world i dont think

[loud zinc]

yeah the difference between ST/AoE is net net close

ie MT AoE gains are roughly what ST Slayer gains

[neat gazelle]

thanks cahn!

@loud zinc im still working on things, getting gear etc but do these stat weights seem ok so far? I know i prob need a bit more haste

[loud zinc]

tbh just sim it

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot

[neat gazelle]

cool and just put the gear up and let the system tell me whats best?

[loud zinc]

you need to have Simulation Craft installed

click the little cursor by the minimap, copy & paste into raidbots

[neat gazelle]

ok doing that now

[loud zinc]

but general stat prio is Mastery/Haste

[hollow maple]

Little off topic but ill give it a shot anyway, highest chance/fastest way to get your 2nd spark of the week if you already got first one from weekly meta quest? Done 3 m+ and some world quests with caches still nothing, anyone know of a more effective way?

[loud zinc]

can't you also get from delves?

admittedly i'd much rather get from a key, but i think delves can give them

[autumn harbor]

have to ask is it worth remoing the crafted weapon darkmoon sigil hunt to swap to arcanoweave?

[daring laurel]

Sim it

[coarse nest]

Yes if the sim says it is an upgrade

[daring laurel]

But generally yea

[coarse nest]

Took a while for me to be able to swap

[steep bough]

is the slayer rotation pretty much the same as MT's minus needing to thunderblast of course?

[keen kindle]

I thought fury's bis was hunt OH?

[undone flower]

It is

If you play both specs it’s easier to swap if you have double arcano

[daring laurel]

Double arcano sims higher for me, but also playing arms sometimes is true

[keen kindle]

What r ur weaps

[paper pond]

Uhh wanted to swap to fury, realized I needed a second 2h weapon, coincidentally I only have two sparks left. It also says I have 10 radiant spark dust, though. Does that mean I have a chance of getting sparks from mythics, delves etc?

[keen kindle]

Is the amount of radiant spark dust red?

[paper pond]

Total 10,written in white, season maximum 10/10, in red

To be fair I mightve opened the apex cache while I already had 9 sparks in my inventory, not sure about the implications of that though

[keen kindle]

Do u have a myth weap

Or bonus rolls?

Cuz tbh id just go to terrace and try to nab voidcleaver

[paper pond]

I have a 272 crafted weapon

[paper pond]

I have bonus rolls, yes

Magisters terrace dungeon right? What tier should I try?

[loud zinc]

i really wouldn't recommend using bonus rolls below a 10

the gains from 10s are so much better than any other non mythic raid source

[sage ridge]

Never use rerolls on anything below a 10

If you haven't done a 10 just do your own key until you get there

They are very easy

[paper pond]

Can I still drop two handers if I'm playing prot warrior?

[fallen ginkgo]

depends on your loot spec

if you are playing pro warrior but your loot spec is on arms, you can still dropp 2handed weapons

and ofc if you play arms and loot spec as prot warrior, you can dropp shields

[undone flower]

You change your loot spec by right click your player frame -> loot spec

[paper pond]

Shit what the fuck I had no idea that was a thing

My god how many things are there to learn

Thank you so much

[paper pond]

Appreciate you saying that before me asking another stupid question

[undone flower]

There is no stupid questions

If someone unironically mock you, they are dogshit at the game anyway so 🤷‍♂️

[sullen dove]

how much mastery and how much haste and how much critical strike and how much versatility and how much strength and which trinkets should I have

[paper pond]

I have to admit, running my own keys and mentioning that I'm new at both tanking and the game, I haven't met anyone toxic yet. Ironically, while leveling my warrior, someone did say I was trash throughout a timewalking dungeon lol

[undone flower]

You should sim your character on raidbot if you need help on that front

[vague stump]

ALL THE STATS. ALL OF THEM

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-kyloren-snoke-sith-tso-gif-16662578443760079141

[last flare]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[spare flame]

what does slayer drop for ER?

1 point off cruelty?

[keen kindle]

10

[compact knot]

@smoky vale stop

[smoky vale]

i was joking to bro

sorry

[compact knot]

I must get carried

[stiff carbon]

I've been trying to get by without switching, tho I'm just doing 16s.

[fallow forum]

i've heard someone mention before that you need a rampage macro with remove aura for whirlwind buff for prio/single target damage, does anyone know if its just as simple as /cast rampage and /cancelaura name or is there anything more to it?

[turbid spruce]

Hi, sometimes the enrage bar i created with arcui just disappear in the middle of the fight and appears again after a rampage cast, did someone know why this is happening and if its possible to fix?

[olive wraith]

Only if you have RR talented

[fallow forum]

ahh thanks, so rampage doesn't hit multiple targets without that talent i assume?

[winter shoal]

It cleaves with impWW as normal

[olive wraith]

The cancel aura is only needed for RR talent because that talent replaces rampage while iww is active

[fallow forum]

ahh ok, thanks

[winter shoal]

Bug on the blizzard side that happens sometimes when enrage is refreshed early, reloading generally helps for a bit but doesn't permanently fix it

[turbid spruce]

i understand, i was thinking in using blizz default bar cause the bug is very annoying and causes rotation mistakes

[winter shoal]

Your enrage uptime should be close to 100% with normal play anyways so it's not usually super consequential, but yes very annoying

[woven shoal]

check

[brittle crow]

is discord shitting the bed for anyone else

[mossy fox]

yes

back now for me

[quasi fractal]

Pictures seem unsendable for me but messages are back to working mostly

[brittle crow]

i just got it back

havent tried sending pictures yet but they were hella broken

earlier

still are lol

[fleet yarrow]

Was with aug evoker tbf and it was terrace but

1st +200k

[undone flower]

I think the highest I did was 180k on details in MT but it was some time ago

[fleet yarrow]

I had pretty much perfect pulls entire dung

[honest trail]

I use natty CDM for enrage icon tracking

& it disappear also
So it's just a Blizzard issue

[manic tapir]

slurry guys, what can i drop for enraged regen? its tough

[undone flower]

Cruelty

Unsure I want to be called slurry guy

[manic tapir]

xD

thats what i initially went for, hope its not too big of a dam loss

thanks happyguy

[undone flower]

I think it’s 0.2-0.3% loss

[manic tapir]

i'll take that

[undone flower]

You can sim the difference, ER is a dmg loss anyway, so it’s just the less

[indigo arch]

normalize core defensives not being a talent point

[neat gazelle]

do we always pres rampage before cds?

[marble pilot]

Enraged Regen is good. But I havnt really felt the need for it. Spell reflect, victory rush, and dstance for the real bad stuff feels like enough

[olive wraith]

Nah not necessarily

[somber elk]

what key lvl?

[marble pilot]

Im only doing 12/13s right now. Maybe as you get higher you need more defense. But it just hasnt felt needed yet

[remote bobcat]

yea in lowkeys you can survive without ever pressing dstance or spell reflect

[marble pilot]

3k and lowkeys is a take but sure

[remote bobcat]

oh yea it definitely is

[marble pilot]

It isnt hard to do this season ill give you that and it isnt pushing keys

[olive wraith]

12 is the new 10 tbf

[marble pilot]

Kinda curious what the general public considers high and low for keys

[remote bobcat]

there are training wheel keys (0-9), there are low key (10-14), then yo uget the mid-range of like 15 to 16 and then ig highkeys start there

[undone flower]

I would even say 13-14 are 10s

[olive wraith]

Ya maybe

[undone flower]

Compared to S3 TWW, before turbo boost

[olive wraith]

Tww s3 I considered 12s as 10

It’s just easier to farm without affix

Plus you get a little less bads I think

[remote bobcat]

The thing is, a +13 and +14 isnt harder than a +10 (unless ur playing a non-meta tank lets be real). From the dps perspective its identical except bosses take way longer

[marble pilot]

I still wouldnt say anything above 10 is a low key.
Like half the playerbase is scared to even attempt 10s.

[undone flower]

Above 10 is still push territory tho

[olive wraith]

Ya I think I agree. Lots of hesitation to attempt 10s for the more casual player

[remote bobcat]

????

[marble pilot]

Doesnt make 10s hard at all they are super easy even more this season. And honestly the 12s/13s ive done have all been two chested.

[marble pilot]

?????

[remote bobcat]

Dude.

if you can do a +2 in good time you can do a +12 in good time

[olive wraith]

3k rating is basically free

[remote bobcat]

you're just off your training wheels at that point

12-14 is low key levels 100000%

[marble pilot]

I dont disagree. But no one says training wheels low mid high.

[sly merlin]

3k/12 is def low keys this season

[remote bobcat]

and its not about elitism or anything of the sort in case that thought crossed your mind. Mislabeling ranges is potentially problematic

And man

a +11 not being a low key is a very wild take

[marble pilot]

Any key below what I do is lowkey. Anything higher than what I do is high key type mentality in here.

[remote bobcat]

not at all

[sly merlin]

objectively not true

[remote bobcat]

We're giving arguments as to why something is a low key

What gives you the impression we're measuring it from our personal experiences

[olive wraith]

S3 tww the highest percentage of keys was 10-12 range iirc

If we go by that I guess you could call them mid

[undone flower]

Only S1 TWW is bad to take for interpretation bc guile affix at 12

Making a 12 being a 15 just bc

[olive wraith]

Had a fair amount of ass dungeons too

[remote bobcat]

S1 tww was actually deadly even when fully geared. Let a few casts go through and its a full wipe

[marble pilot]

I can agree with low being anything 10 and under.

I think mid vs high key changes every season based on how hard the season is.

This season in particular is pretty easy so mid keys probably goes to like 17. Then high keys start

[remote bobcat]

now we have like 1 cast to look at

[olive wraith]

It had necrotic wake, stone vault

What other nightmare keys were there?

[teal slate]

12s are arguably easier than 10s

[undone flower]

Having an additional tyrannical+ fortified at 12 was cursed

[marble pilot]

Sure for people that actually try it. But like 80% of the player base doesnt ever go past 10

[olive wraith]

Ya lmao

[remote bobcat]

Putting +11 and +16 in the same category means your category has no meaning

[sly merlin]

true

[marble pilot]

Ok putting 17 and 22 in the same category has no meaning either.

[sly merlin]

i don’t think he ever did that

[remote bobcat]

[sly merlin]

is this what they call a strawman

[undone flower]

With current ilvl I separate 10-14, 15-17, 18-pugwall, 0.1%

[remote bobcat]

yea p much same

10-14 is low keys

[sly merlin]

pug wall is real

i keep getting my 19s bricked by silly pugs doing weird things

[undone flower]

I don’t push at all so idk where is the pug wall currently but I guess it’s maybe 20

[sly merlin]

19-20 prob

18s we’re pretty chill w pugs for the most part

[marble pilot]

How many people ever do a 10. Then how many that do 10s ever go to 3k
Then those that hit 3k how many actually push keys as high as they can.

What determines what is high and low.

[undone flower]

Yes pug wall in my mind : the key lvl pugs hard stuck bc no voice/coordination

Where legitimately the hard limit is the fact you are not in a full stack

[sly merlin]

difficulty and skill level

[marble pilot]

Or is high vs low only start after 3k. Since that is the cap that the game cares about.

[sly merlin]

you can say like half of the people doing keys are doing 12 so it’s mid level but 12s are objectively not hard

so they are low keys

[marble pilot]

Cause if we start with low at 3k then I can get more onboard. But thats just not how I hear anyone talk about keys outside of people doing 18+s

[remote bobcat]

There are people who play wow and then there are people who actually play m+.
You need to cut out all the people who don't really play m+ who dont really fill the m+ vault. They're a non-audience.

Then once you look at the actual m+ population, you take what's most commonly played which in our case is a low tendency due to the vault starting at +10s and +10s being very easy.
This means that +10s tend to make the actual baseline for when m+ starts, anything below tends to be training wheels.
Each category above is whenever there's an actual step-up in difficulty. A +11 doesn't need good defensive play but a +15 does. A +17 doesn't need precise cooldown management, but a +21 does. We tend to create these categories based on where there's an actual difficulty spike. Not based on player population.

[undone flower]

I don’t view it with population at all

[remote bobcat]

viewing low/mid/high keys based on player population is nonsense

This is a fallacy that the MOBA game communities have had to deal with for a long time

Skill disparity is what matters

[undone flower]

Like : blue io is the average pop io in my mind (countin ppl who participates in m+), but it’s low keys

[sly merlin]

i wanted to say something like this so badly well done

most people are gold in league but gold is low elo still

[remote bobcat]

Yea that, for example

not just low elo, its still VERY low

[sly merlin]

yes correct

[remote bobcat]

like down in the depths of fire

[undone flower]

Im gold in league and I consider myself pretty bad

[tepid kraken]

yea but league has a waay higher skill cieling than wow will ever have

[remote bobcat]

You don't know how shit you are right now until you step up your game that extra level

[tepid kraken]

league ur playing against real players u cant predict what they do

[undone flower]

Yeah pvp game is too diff, I don’t really compare skill with pve games

[sly merlin]

i can predict enemy rengar invading my redbuff level 3 90% accuracy

[remote bobcat]

the skill disparity between a 98 and a 99.9 parser is larger than the skill disparity between a 98 and n 85 parser

[tepid kraken]

KEKW

[remote bobcat]

same argument can be said for keys

but yea pvp is more unpredictable and has more variables

[tepid kraken]

yep

wow def needs skill am not saying that but practice and knowledge and coordination triumph that i think

[fleet yarrow]

League is infinitely harder than WoW

[undone flower]

Like every games?

[sullen dove]

PvP game vs Pve game no way

[marble pilot]

Guess this is something I wont be able to agree with as we have different starting perspectives.

[undone flower]

But again PvP pve is too diff

[remote bobcat]

Which part

[marble pilot]

Just in general. I dont agree with cutting out the 95% of the population that isnt pushing keys.
Same as gold for various games being cut out.
When you consider the highest point that majority of the player base can reach to be the lowest point of starting to care it makes the scale meaningless to me.

I can agree with the skill level of the top 0.1 vs top 1 to be a wider gap than the top 1 vs top 10 or other similar comparisons.
But just ignoring what the majority of the playerbase can or is willing to do just doesnt sit right with me.

[tepid kraken]

doing ur class rotation (esp if its a hard class) perfectly with Lust and full haste mode correctly and fastly! is the ultimate skill in wow imo while also dodging swirlies in the ground

[rare garnet]

Yours isn’t a whole lot better. The game isn’t even balanced for high keys which is why you see such class disparity.

[tepid kraken]

everyone can dodge swirlies but can u dodge them and still hit the boss at a high level i know am def not even close

[marble pilot]

Or rather it is a different conversation entirely. And should use different scales

[tepid kraken]

i have something to say about if u really enjoy M+ , lets say ur 283 , 284 so ur almost max ilvl like wth u doin doing 10s and 12s if its FUN u want u know like u wanna feel ur class and abilities i think 16s is the sweet spot , doing 12s then trash will do so fast that its just stupid

thats only if u wanna have like fun

if u just want crests then yea take the shortest route

if u wanna push then yea go ahead

[marble pilot]

Like if I decide i want to be a person that pushes keys and I take my current skill level as the floor then yes im in low keys.
As im only going to improve from this floor.

But the floor im at is already higher than the majority population. Then it feels disingenuous to say that I am bad and just getting started.

They are just two very different mindsets and conversations and therefore scales to use to measure difficulty

[tepid kraken]

i guess ur group ilvl matters too

[sly merlin]

i don’t think people said you are bad just that you are doing low keys right now which is pretty different

[tepid kraken]

whats ur ilvl and whats ur key lvl ur doing

[remote bobcat]

Using yourself as a reference frame and then considering other keys low keys based on the fact that there are players worse than you is the exact "Any key below what I do is lowkey. Anything higher than what I do is high key type mentality in here." argument you said earlier mate

[honest trail]

So many def stance users wow

[marble pilot]

Wont hurt my feelings. I just mean in general for any game or competitive hobby.
You can be better than the majority but also not pushing as hard as you can.

A 2k chess player is super good. But they are actually pretty bad for the elite and can be considered just starting the career.
And based on which group your are talking two the high vs low is going to change

[honest trail]

Video games is the only place where being top 1% world is considered "bad"

Think about it

[indigo arch]

of course a lot of dstance users

stance mastery is VERY strong

[remote bobcat]

no the same is true for every competitive sport

[ember leaf]

the burden of the 1% versus the 0.1%/99%

[spare steppe]

I love javelineer though

[indigo arch]

I wish I could take both, but I elect for not dying

[olive wraith]

I think this poll also has to consider javelineer helps you carry kicks a little more

[honest trail]

Yes, but it's way less acessible, people have less public numbers about their own rankings

Compared to video games

[spare steppe]

There’s nothing more frustrating then watching a mob free cast and ranged not doing their damn job

[remote bobcat]

tru

[indigo arch]

fury doesn't have such issues and can just take it which I love

[olive wraith]

Whereas organized groups you’re more concerned with survival

[indigo arch]

I wish it was easier to grab as arms

[spare steppe]

Like I think stance mastery is better in competitive organized groups

[olive wraith]

This

[spare steppe]

Javelineer is better when dealing with pugs

[ember leaf]

anyways i tried fury slayer on a 15 for the first time, feels better than MT but i still feel like im doing like ass

[honest trail]

I play range kick cause pug nightmare

[olive wraith]

Valid tbh

[honest trail]

But I don't get in any group anyway

[floral arrow]

hey there!! noob question time

wich warrior dps spec is more easy atm? fury or arms

for news in warr class

[olive wraith]

Fury probably

[honest trail]

Fury

[spare steppe]

Also kick silence stun stun is a crazy amount of lock down for a caster in hopes SOMEONE else kicks

[honest trail]

As I'm starting 18-19 keys I should prob swap to def stance now

& fuck silence

[floral arrow]

tysm

[floral arrow]

tysm

[indigo arch]

I do like javelineer for helping tank gather, it's also nice buffer if there is a kick overlap

[honest trail]

Yeah I like it as a way to gather a pull

So many casters far away

& as warrior, i often get into full melee comps

[indigo arch]

It would be easier to take if it simply worked with heroic throw

[honest trail]

Like Rogue, War, Survival hunter

So range kick helps a lot

[indigo arch]

And they removed the "high threat" component for dps

One less talent to grab it as arms

[olive wraith]

That would be broken lol

[fleet yarrow]

I 'd rather wipe than use defensive stance

[honest trail]

Tru warrior

[indigo arch]

Not like warr is meta so may as well

[olive wraith]

But also, you’d be stuck wasting so many gcd

[indigo arch]

The talent could also increase heroic throw cd to compensate

[honest trail]

Would we still take ER as fury

With Stance Mastery

[indigo arch]

So warriors arent soloing pack kicks

Mmm, I think stance mastery might be more mitigation over a key

[olive wraith]

Probably arguments for it. Not a bad thing to have for push keys

[indigo arch]

Dstance every mana bomb on elemental in aa for example

[honest trail]

Like DStance being what 25% whenever, & ER being 30%

Sure the healing is great

But is that worth it

[olive wraith]

It’s a LOT of healing

[honest trail]

y I know

I love ER+BS combo

Unkillable machine

[olive wraith]

Even without unhinged that’s an easy full hp heal

[honest trail]

But we have to take

[olive wraith]

Technically better for rot damage

[honest trail]

Resonant Voice

For mastery right?

[olive wraith]

Ye

[honest trail]

That's kinda bad

I mean idk how impactful it is for Rally

[olive wraith]

Not ideal for sure

[honest trail]

I'll try

As Slayer Fury

[indigo arch]

For the most part ER feels like "healer died and I am rotting" protection at best

while they bres

[honest trail]

Shouldn't I lose Barbaric

For javelin

AND Mastery?

[indigo arch]

otherwise fury is pretty good at rot

skyreach 2nd boss beam, etc

[honest trail]

Since I push as Slayer, should i just

[indigo arch]

esp if the healer is sidestepping into beams to remove pressure

[olive wraith]

Could try to sim the dps loss

[honest trail]

In aoe, prob not much

In ST, definitely big

[olive wraith]

Big for st?

[honest trail]

Opposite actually

Thought about RB losing the 10% dmg

Aoe diff

[olive wraith]

Crushing force is the st one

[honest trail]

St diff

For a range kick

[olive wraith]

Worth imo

[honest trail]

Probably

[sly merlin]

ima keep it a buck

i pugged to resil 18 and i didn’t know wrecking throw was an interrupt

i’m cooked

[olive wraith]

[honest trail]

lmao

That's actually such a good spell

[sly merlin]

this would’ve made my life a lot easier

[undone flower]

If you go for javelineer can just take crushing force

[honest trail]

I was considering

But range kick good

[sly merlin]

can we drop javelineer as thane or naw

[undone flower]

What is the vibe of longer shouts ?

You rly need 20% longer shouts ?

[honest trail]

Oh yeah you're right mb

Swap shouts for crushing force

This sounds good

Some aoe loss for st gain

& keep the utility

We often lack prio dmg with my friends so sounds good

[median dust]

Is whirlwind really not on the blizzard CDM?

[honest trail]

idk

Why would you use CDM for spells when you have action bars

[olive wraith]

It doesn’t have a cooldown

[median dust]

yea, i just wanna see it. lol. nm no worries. i found a solution

[honest trail]

Action bars

That's what they do: show spells

[craggy gulch]

For slayer is there a number of mobs where you priorities whirlwind (spamming) over bloodthirst and raging blow?

[honest trail]

Needs testing, WW should be more prio at higher targets but not sure how many, but we argued about it last time since RB gives more rage & still does decent dmg now

So unsure

Arguably WW > RB during Reck since rage is not an issue

& RB > WW outside of Reck

Never above BT tho

Prio dmg too important

[craggy gulch]

I look at Noxivs damage breakdown in keys and it would suggest just that

During reck prio whirlwind over everything except rampage and execute

[honest trail]

Yes, I watched some too

but he's probably testing different things

& the pulls are huge

[craggy gulch]

Yeah

[undone flower]

Above 1 target ww>rb

[edgy widget]

it's like 5 targets lol, once you go below that it starts getting a little iffier, but the diff is never big enough to really care

[honest trail]

I was unsure

[edgy widget]

same thing with prioritizing WW > non-SD Execute; at lower targets, the gap gets smaller or even very slightly in Exe's favor, but the diff is so small it's not worth considering - way easier to just consistently use WW and lose the extra mental bandwidth

people love to theorize the best ways to do things, but don't always appreciate that simplicity can be its own kind of optimization

[winter meadow]

which spec is better for mythic+ now ? slayer or thane ?

[honest trail]

It's mostly cause we just don't have the numbers

So it's all conjectures

[honest trail]

W/e you fancy

[ember leaf]

is warrior aoe capped or something

[edgy widget]

tbf its pretty easy to test, but one of the issues with simc is that it's so good at measuring very small numbers, it makes people hyper focus on very small numbers

[cinder viper]

improved ww is hard capped at 5 targets, at like half dmg on non targeted mobs (cant remember exact value)

[edgy widget]

65% atm

[honest trail]

I usually prio most thing above WW just cause I focus prio dmg a lot more

[cinder viper]

ah

[honest trail]

Just have WW above RB at like 5+ targets

[olive wraith]

Iww is hard capped. Both hero trees have soft capped aoe though

[cinder viper]

brb gonna cry

[olive wraith]

Bad trinket. Vendor it

[cinder viper]

seems like a disenchant angle tbh

[olive wraith]

I can take it from you. I’ll give you extra mats in exchange

[floral wasp]

Sadly I dont have enchanting on this character

Now that I have this I can finally not care about gear and just do m+ for 3.4k

[teal slate]

Didn't need it on myth for 3.4 🤷

[late copper]

Do we take improved whirlwind for cleave fights? And if so what do we drop for it 🤔

[trim quarry]

anyone know which keys (if any) slayer fury is better in than thane?

[cinder viper]

the only argument i can think of is AA and Skyreach for the single target bosses but from my experience MT isnt even that far behind in those anywasy

[edgy widget]

as long as you're pulling big AA is the best dungeon for Rampaging Ruin

just be mindful to use Rend/Throw and try not to WW on the later bosses

[stoic echo]

@prisma hornet Ragish wants to know your opinion on fury play style cause I was venting

I miss last season slayer. Fun flow and raging blow resets felt so nice

[undone flower]

Jellyfish boss, duo in caverns and trio in seat with RR must be dreadful

[stoic echo]

Now slayer feels like a clunky mess and Thane feels so insanely mid juggling 500 buffs just to say nah spam tclap in aoe xdxd and spend rage on useless rampages pls

Just to pad and have a mid damage profile

Fury grrr

[honest trail]

How's Slayer clunky

Smap Ramp & Exec is fun

[sly merlin]

prob. bcs cds don’t always align

[stoic echo]

If you don't get SD procs you just hate life

Oh yeah cool resets on raging blow which is super bad yey

Pressing whirlwind for rend sick

Compare that to last season slayer which felt incredibly smooth to play

Even the worst button press with bloodthirst was still good enough in aoe since it also procced reap with a 67% chance

Your worst button was still good

Rampage gave you more raging blows which felt good

Raging blow being bad makes fury feel so much worse to me

[cinder viper]

i want raging blow to be a button again

it like might as well not be on our bars atm lmao

[stoic echo]

I like when raging blow builds sth up or is the highest dps

[cinder viper]

i hoping for next seasons tier set to make raging blow good again

[odd vapor]

quck question: in ST thane how important is bloodbath

[cinder viper]

uhh, in what way? bloodlust is important for all classes

[odd vapor]

bloodbath*

[cinder viper]

ah

its like, top prio spender still

i think

unless u have 2 charges of thunder blast

nvm dont listen to me lol

Odyn's Fury
Rampage over 100 rage
Thunder Blast with two stacks available
Bloodbath
Rampage
Thunder Blast
Execute
Crushing Blow
Thunder Clap when nothing else is available

thats the current ST thane prio list

so high prio but not top prop

[odd vapor]

ooh so blood more prio than rampage, that exlains alot

[cinder viper]

u still rampage at over 100 u never wanna cap rage

[odd vapor]

im parsing 90 on vorasius, but i felt something weas mising

and yeah, im not pressing bloodbath enough

[cinder viper]

ah

that would do it

[rotund ginkgo]

Hello folks!

I wanna make a little video about current iteration of warrior. Feel free to help out if you don't mind 🙏

I would love people from all skill levels to hit my dms with their opinion about how they enjoy fury so far

• keys and raid (state what level of content you do)
• thane and slayer
• positives and negatives
• how intuitive/easy/smooth/fun the class feels
• how strong do you feel
• biggest turn ons and biggest turn offs about current iteration
• older variations of the class you enjoyed and if so, why?

Every DM will be helpful! Thanks! 🙏❤️

[honest trail]

Asking that at 2am is too much for my brain but happy to respond tomorrow if I don't forget

[rotund ginkgo]

I'll probs send it again anyway

[rigid yacht]

Are you guys switching between powerful enrage and frenzied enrage? if so, at what haste %?

[ebon solstice]

as Fury slayer i know you're supposed to pool rage for rampage in aoe but what do you press when pooling and bt is on cd?

is whirlwind higher prio?

[thorny zenith]

is paladins the only fight that really shows how well you do dmg this tier

with all the padding this tier

[spare flame]

not that it matters too much but are yall going thane or slayer for M averzian?

[languid willow]

Did anyone go slurry in paladins this week? How did it do I went thane again

I should’ve tested it

[languid willow]

Thane

[wary smelt]

Did the build change since the buff. Looking for one for midnight falls

[languid willow]

20 MT and I still can’t beat a ret

[winter shoal]

Nope all of the same specs people played previously can be played for the same reasons

Slarms has a potential new M+ build but you wouldn't play that on lura

[wary smelt]

ty

[indigo arch]

full fury recraft time

ram ranch

disregard positionals

embrace unga

become bunga

https://tenor.com/view/gachimuchi-billy-herrington-gachi-muscles-gif-16537151

[mint moat]

is mythic gaze gonna be better then a 295 wep tuesday ?

[thorn hearth]

what numbers are good for overall for 16 keys

like 160k?

[indigo arch]

No shot, weapon if you got a good one

[sly merlin]

heavily depends on the key

[thorn hearth]

like on WS

and that linear pull type

[languid willow]

I mean what’s your ilvl and what are your trinkets ?

And do you have a myth weapon ?

[undone flower]

No

[sly merlin]

i like to look at damage rankings for each dungeon and aim to be around what people are doing in the top 50 it’s not exactly the same as details overall because a lot of things don’t count for logged dps but since fury is a lesser played spec it’s not too hard to tap into the top 50s

[thorn hearth]

i lvl is 282 and i got puzzzle box the SR trink and both myth weps

[sly merlin]

ofc it won’t always happen but strive to get close to that and you’ll be gucci

[languid willow]

Also depends on how tanks pull as well tbh idk it’s hard to determine

[sly merlin]

that’s true as well route and pulls matter muchly

[thorn hearth]

yeah that makes sense

[undone flower]

I would just compare with the other 2 dps

That were with you

Tbf

[languid willow]

Posting a log

[thorn hearth]

well i usually top bars but then itll say i did like 140

[languid willow]

Would be helpful

[thorn hearth]

which feels a little too low

[ember leaf]

is there a cutoff to swap from frenzied enrage to powerful

[undone flower]

If you don’t get obliterated by the other ppl in the key, you are doing fine

[ember leaf]

or is it always frenzied

[brittle crow]

does anybody want to help my 233 demon hunter get through a 10 windrunner spire 🥺

i need to start sending bonus rolls

[undone flower]

If you are EU

I can

[thorn hearth]

i can help if ur NA

[brittle crow]

im NA yea

EU stinky

[thorn hearth]

lols

[brittle crow]

i also dont have a 10 wrs

[thorn hearth]

tbf if im not being obliterated it usually means the dps aint doin enough

[undone flower]

It is just sim dependent, if you are having trouble with fast fury, you can pick powerful, I don’t think it’s a significant difference

[thorn hearth]

/inv Drakkthar if you wanna run

[brittle crow]

a52?

[thorn hearth]

lightbringer

should still work though

[brittle crow]

yea just need to know the server to invite u

i think

[thorn hearth]

logging rn

[ember leaf]

think i might be getting cucked dps wise by playing in 180ms but im not sure

id find it surprising if that ping would really change that much

[undone flower]

Did you change your spell queue window ?

[ember leaf]

you can sim that?

[undone flower]

High Ping affects wow less but it still can be a small isssue

[languid willow]

What is yalls sqw?

I have mine set to 200 but I might bump it to 250

[undone flower]

No I asked if you changed you spell queue window but you asking that, I don’t need to search on that front to help you

[modest condor]

mine is on 400

[undone flower]

400

[ember leaf]

idk what u mean then, like i get it but i dont get it

[languid willow]

Mine was 400 but then I kept having issues where procs would happen with BTs and then it’d send a Tclap instead while I’m spamming bt. Think it’s a latency issue

[edgy widget]

not spell queue, but you actually can simulate latency - default is 100ms

[undone flower]

Spell queue window is something you can change and if it’s close to your ping it kinda cause problems, I just asked if you changed yours since you have 180ms ping

[ember leaf]

oh, didnt knwo you could change it, how2do

[undone flower]

You shouldn’t change it

[ember leaf]

oh bet

[edgy widget]

there are two different things being talked about here

• SimC default latency is 100ms and can be changed, though there's not really any particular reason to
• the Spell Queue Window (aka Custom Lag Tolerance) is a buffer that allows you to queue actions ahead of the GCD, intended to eliminate downtime caused by latency/etc. It's set to 400ms by default, which feels non-responsive to some players, so it can be turned down, though that reduces the benefit and isn't recommended for players already suffering lag issues

[thorn hearth]

What do I replace frenzied Regen with

[edgy widget]

think you're gonna have to ask Dreamgrove for that one

[modest condor]

probably better off asking the

[thorn hearth]

Was it the Raging blow skill?

[modest condor]

yeah

[languid willow]

Exectue at 35%

[ember leaf]

Gotcha

[undone flower]

With 200ping do you think he should increase it a lil bit ?

[modest condor]

400 is max so you cant

[edgy widget]

I believe they're asking about SimC's simulated world lag

[undone flower]

Mb I thought you could

[edgy widget]

and I don't know that it would actually have any affect tbh, the setting was added before Custom Lag Tolerance was a thing... back when we were actually at the mercy of our internet connections (those were some dark days 💀), but as long as your tolerance is set higher than your average latency, it shouldn't really matter as far as SimC is concerned

[vast token]

Batching

[ember leaf]

Anyways, in short, im pretty sure im just dumb and bad

[edgy widget]

batching is something else entirely, but yeah somewhat related since it was built to help accommodate what were often very different qualities of internet connections

[undone flower]

He asked about frenzied enrage vs powerful bc his ping being 180ms, I asked if he changed his spell queue just to be sure he doesn’t play with 200-250

[ember leaf]

[vast token]

Just a similar era of the game is all. Don't remember exactly when they really killed batching but it existed for a while iirc

[edgy widget]

I remember when BWL came out, it was extremely common to play at like 800ms+, though a big part of that was general server/instance lag more so than our connections

trying to do Vaelstrasz rotations and manage aggro between half a dozen different player's threat tables with that much lag is... interesting to say the least

[vast token]

BWL was surprisingly taxing on your system due to the just large amount of mobs and visual effects that all loaded in at once.

Suppression room slideshow sometimes

[craggy gulch]

what exactly spends rampaging berseker charges in slayer? i go from 7 charges to 4 and dont know y

[strong monolith]

the 3 you get from rec are falling off

[craggy gulch]

ic

[bold carbon]

so you just keep up rend as slayer now with whirlwind?

only above raging blow in terms of prio

[brittle crow]

yea i cooked that dungeon

[thorn hearth]

fo sho

[brittle crow]

i need to learn meta timing lmao

[thorn hearth]

i lowkey wadnt feelin it though i swear im better than that

[jolly wind]

Is slayer or thane better for mplus

[thorn hearth]

thane rn

[jolly wind]

I’ve been liking slayer a lot

[thorn hearth]

after bufs still beats slayer by a lil bit idk how much tho

dont really matter if ur better at slayer adn understand it better though

[balmy shore]

@modest condor my warrior is higher ilvl and has bis trinkets ........

[bold carbon]

how come execute priority is different in multi vs singel target

on slayer

[smoky vale]

wtf your characters are juiced

[modest condor]

how many pulls does it have on lura?

[bitter palm]

ye this is some

next level of 🥄

[modest condor]

because other abilities have extra effects that are stronger on aoe than on singletarget

[smoky vale]

more spoonfed than @sullen dove

[sullen dove]

im the least fed one in this channel

[balmy shore]

yeah gaze heart on my warrior

[modest condor]

im ilvl 277

[sullen dove]

big

[balmy shore]

HUGE

[modest condor]

wanna know something funny

i got this achievement yesterday http://puu.sh/KMIAm/9742397ad3.png

[bitter palm]

swordish was 277 first day of the patch

[balmy shore]

holy moly

silm's a CHAMPION

[modest condor]

i was still wearing a veteran track wrist

[balmy shore]

on two characters

HOW

veteran......

[bitter palm]

not everyone is 🥄

[modest condor]

i barely played this patch

[balmy shore]

just craft wrists man.....

craft ur lil spellbreaker bracers

[modest condor]

i was waiting for the fury buffs to come in before committing

[balmy shore]

ok log in lock in

[modest condor]

i did some 17s yesterday

[bold carbon]

so we wouldnt even click execute in cooldowns while in aoe?

without sd

[modest condor]

correct

execute does 65% damage to off-targets, whirlwind does 100% damage to off-targets and also hits beyond 5 targets

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-pigs-piggy-fatty-oink-gif-4613693

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-gif-27111274

like just under 285 on 3 alts but domt caa bout gearin

[undone flower]

Smh I got it on my war/main and my alt monk instantly got it and has more ilvl than my main now

[dapper goblet]

so we didnt raid today

[spare flame]

wait so slayer never presses RB in aoe?

[sullen dove]

it is an off day may be surprising to hear we have some of those i know

monday i think is weewoo time

[dapper goblet]

so we raid tomorrow

and the lords day

[sullen dove]

true

i will bring it up with management

and maybe repost ur spread image since it got drowned up by random yap the moment i posted it and was never discussed 🔥

[gleaming crag]

what ilvl are our weapons going up to tuesday ?

[sullen dove]

298 myth 295 crafted

[bitter palm]

57

[sullen dove]

dont upgrade a heroic weapon please

[bitter palm]

okay i will upgrade a heroic shield

[spare flame]

how many items will we be able to upgrade ?

[sullen dove]

no one knows could either just be open floodgates and let us do as much as we want which maybe kind of unlikely but more probably just 1 item per week and ur basically done upgrading after 3-4 weeks and any more are excess for alt specs

[wind ether]

in pvp we already have 298 trinkets and weapons

i’d assume those

they wouldn’t put upgrades in that don’t also come into pvp

[sullen dove]

kinda hope if it is the 2nd way around though that its like tier and just lets u get as many as you need as more frequent drops

wot

[wind ether]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=271342/galactic-void-matrix

yeah we get these from winning a ton of games

20 in total for weapons and trinkets

i’ve got mine ages ago

but i’d assume this is for pve too

blizzard doesn’t usually allow pve gear to scale over max pvp ilvl

unless we are getting more slots too

[sullen dove]

thats cool

o yea been established it stops at 298

just question of how often you get the item upgrades mostly since it only goes on weapons and trinkets

[wind ether]

it took a while

it took a ton of wins in 3s and solo shuffle

but they also dropped from losses

[gleaming crag]

yeah i'll be upgrading heroic trinkets cause im a scrub lol

[wind ether]

they still drop after you have 298 weps and trinkets

there’s nothing to do with them now

but i’m not selling them in case they become war bound

[sullen dove]

eh thats still fine but weapon definitely top priority anyway

[sullen dove]

esp cuz crafted is still 3 under max for a fat 295

[gleaming crag]

so I guess you would craft first

to get cash upgrades for weapon

[sullen dove]

if you dont have a crafted weapon by now is a little questionable but if you got lucky and happened to get 2 myth weapons back to back or something its probably fine

but if you have the 2 myth weapons then you just upgrade those

[sullen dove]

oyea ur weapons are fine

[gleaming crag]

so I craft then upgrade mainhand

[sullen dove]

no u already have a craft

just meant like the highest ilvl weapon you can get should be upgraded

which is either a myth or if you dont have myths you'd upgrade the crafted

but can uppy myth and be fine

[gleaming crag]

but thinking logically about it, if you up your myth you still have to put the crests in to a crafted offhand.

so unless they uncap crests youd be screwed

you should first upgrade your crafted if thats your offhand. Because you retain the ability to upgrade your mainhand weapon without using as many crests (if thats how the system works)

[sullen dove]

none of this system costs crests

you just get the upgrades

pretty sure

[gleaming crag]

I hope they uncap crests tuesday too but i havent heard shit bout it

[bold carbon]

whats the talent or reason that we have to insta prio a sudden death execute instead of just making sure it doesnt overstack/run out

[sullen dove]

idk if a specific talent is the reason but think it just does massive dmg now

execute buff and reap buff its just like the single strongest global u have to press probably

the only thing u can maybe wait for is to have higher stacks of executioner if you track that

[bold carbon]

well i understand that but if you werent to have a SD exe and bloodbath youd want bloodbath to go on cooldown before you execute but not with the priority we have, since the execute isnt going anywhere

so i assume its a talent

[sullen dove]

yea i mean bloodbath just kinda not as important anymore, its not like you cant do that if you want and its probably only the tiniest of differences to put it on cd first anyway, but like maybe youre in the last 1 second of reck or something and youd rather have the 20% crit buff on execute and reap which both probably do as much damage has 1 bb anyway

[gleaming crag]

I want hekili back so I dont have to ever think about my rotation lol

[sullen dove]

not wrong that it doesnt really go away but i think at that point just like considering all possible active buffs up at any given moment, youd rather sd over bb to probably have a higher likelihood of more executes being under buffs is what i think, and pushing back bb by 1 global isnt gonna make or break anything probably

the ingame thing is just like a better hekili no

[gleaming crag]

it was worse

[sullen dove]

honestly highly doubt the addon like.. kept up with every single version and class change as they came

maybe ingame doesnt either

[dapper goblet]

i'll send you a spread image

if you catch my drift

[gleaming crag]

the addon used the same info from the simcraft dps

[sullen dove]

but always wondered how hekili would decide "is this a tier we spam bt on cd or is this s2 undermine where we only spam raging blow and bt after like 90% critrate"

[bold carbon]

well its way more efficient because that 1 sec will keep adding up but thats why im assuming its a talent

[sullen dove]

maybe uses apl or something idk

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-paper-confused-gif-14478007832172093541

[sudden tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/pig-fat-kenjikungifs-fSD3yT23GL0SPqEIqF

[bold carbon]

i understand if its in exe range and then it has an actaul cooldown

[ember leaf]

whats the m+ slayer talent tree

nvm im aut

[gleaming crag]

im authentic too

[ember leaf]

[sudden tusk]

also pretty sure blizzard stated they do not want the one button rotation or the highlighting guide to every be in an optimal state

just a starting off point

[sullen dove]

yea it feels like you kinda cant do horrible with fury either way unless you literally make raging blow glow up every single moment its up

it for the most part kind of just is "spam rampage execute and bt and if ur hero talent has another shiny button hit that too"

[gleaming crag]

you get penalized by GCD's for using OBR, so it should at least teach you the proper god damned rotation so you can learn. It's antithetical to what they are trying to achieve and they are assholes for destroying hekili and not just hiring the developer to work for blizzard as well as all the addon developers.

[sudden tusk]

its probably just more work on their end. To have the OAB be proper they would need to update it every single patch, and it would have to actually follow the APL after finding has been made

to do that for 35+ specs just seems like sometrhing they wont do

i doubt it will receive any meaningful updates outside of a major spec rework

[mossy stag]

is raging blow op again

[sudden tusk]

no

no rotational changes hav been made

RB so bad a 20% buff didnt move the needle

[sullen dove]

w

[alpine ivy]

is applying rend a priority

[wary salmon]

Everything is a priority. Where it ranks is a different story

[balmy shore]

voodoo

[brittle crow]

"everythings a priority" mfs when slam

[undone flower]

never pressed slam in tww

no ww bind as thane, i just accept the dead gcd

[brittle crow]

my ass presses shattering throw

or rend

i forgot u could even bind ww

[undone flower]

i did rend/wreck before rb buff