fury

[undone flower]

No need to talk more

[warm crag]

??????

[tardy lark]

i too hate living

[honest trail]

😱

[tardy lark]

just end it

[sage ridge]

Why would you not just use combat pots

You can get them for 30g

[honest trail]

Have to press the button

[undone flower]

Manaforge bad faith talk, you probably missed it

[fleet yarrow]

Tbf

As did I when I originally

did mythic raiding xD

[tardy lark]

just macro it to avatar

problem solved

[warm crag]

Hoooly

[honest trail]

Good idea, since I play slayer

No pot

[tardy lark]

then BS i guess

[honest trail]

😄

I was joking

[timber bluff]

Do you always play slayer?

[shy knot]

If its logged - I pot

If not, why bother

[honest trail]

Slayer was so trash before this week I was forced into Thane but now yes

I play Slayer again

I'm awoken

[timber bluff]

Oh it got buffed

[honest trail]

Fuck Thane

Fuck Arms

[timber bluff]

?*

[honest trail]

Yes

[timber bluff]

Well damn

I was really enjoying MT

MT just feels sweatier 🤣

[tardy lark]

having played TWW, this version of slayer is just sad

[honest trail]

Thane is still good, unchanged

[tardy lark]

MT feels the most like TWW

[timber bluff]

But apparently not enough since in getting sat from raid💃

[fading sky]

If this slayer had 2p from s03

It would be awesome

[honest trail]

I feel like these last changes makes it close enough to TWW but we spam Rampage isntead of RB for Reap which is more than good enough

[timber bluff]

Is one better than the other for certain things like mythics/raids etc

[honest trail]

If we look at dmg% share in AOE

Reap is up there

[honest trail]

Both good in both contents

[timber bluff]

Your fury. Just spam everything

[honest trail]

Arguably Thane in keys & Slayer in raid

[timber bluff]

A h

[honest trail]

But tbh just play what you want

[timber bluff]

Maybe that’s why my raid looked like ass last night

[honest trail]

Probably not

[timber bluff]

But in normal raid I was top 5

[tardy lark]

its whats inside that counts

[timber bluff]

I’d like the inside of my fuckin numbers to look good😂

I feel like I should be way higher at 272 than what I was doing

[tardy lark]

Play DK or DH xdd

[normal forge]

Thane is good in M+ compared to arms slayer ?

[timber bluff]

I play frost dk sometimes but fury warrior is where my heart is

[fading sky]

Yes

[normal forge]

Anyone got a good M+ guide for the new 0.5 ? 😁

[fading sky]

Its same

U just do more dmg

[modern cliff]

Hey guys probably this was discussed before but I can’t find the messages, how much does fury realistically care about mastery and haste now?

When i simmed slayer fury over MT, for fury slayer my haste/crit items were still viable whereas for MT, my mastery/haste items were the preferred ones

I’m asking as I have some arms crafted gear and i want to check if its worth recrafting (to play fury slayer)

[timber bluff]

I’m pretty sure mastery is still prioritized?

I couldn’t be wrong don’t listen to me lmao

[modern cliff]

I don’t trust the robots that’s why i want a second opinion 😅

[undone flower]

Differents talents can involve differents stats variations

You can sim the difference and take a decision based on how big the upgrade is

No 0.2% is not a big deal

[modern cliff]

So its better to sim all scenarios? Raid over m+?

And their talent builds

[undone flower]

Depends how sweaty you want to be

[modern cliff]

Yeah this is what i’m asking. Not sure i want to go to this extend so i wanted to see if there’s a long story short answer

[undone flower]

I think I can say 99% don’t have a slayer + a thane set of gear

[modern cliff]

Yes correct. I have a fury set and an arms arms set. Interestingly arms gear for fury slayer sims positively, whereas for MT it doesn’t. So i think i will just take that as an answer

[undone flower]

i don’t have a thane/slayer set of gear
But I do sim what to wear on the boss I prog if it’s the last ones

Like I have all cloaks in heroic, so I sim which one to wear

[fading sky]

Crafted 1

[undone flower]

Crestless

[fleet yarrow]

I've been using potion of reck

I was not aware its been upgrading m haste not my mastery whoops

I thought it would take highest percentage

I am an idiot

[modern cliff]

Highest secondary stat

[fleet yarrow]

ye And I thought damn mastery is the highest

[supple glen]

what is your primary

[fleet garden]

27% haste you must have a boatload of it

[orchid grove]

Do we play slayer in raid now? Or still mt for all fights

[fallen ginkgo]

I played slayer on chim imperator and vorasius and it felt really good

Also on salhaadar

But dragon is thane fight 100%

[fleet yarrow]

1k

[fair solstice]

and paladins is thane or slayer now?

lorrgs has all thane rn

[kind crystal]

colossus

[fair solstice]

im too good on fury to learn arms just for a boss

i dont think its possible to parse 90+ as arms when i would start learning now

not worth the effort atleast

[junior crag]

Fury main myself and i learnt colo arms for paladins, its fun.

[fair solstice]

after buffs?

[jagged socket]

agree - honestly dont think you can go wrong with either slayer or thane in raid rn, was still able to parse 90+ with both

though thane feels perfect for dragons

[sharp valve]

are there any cooked slayer builds yet or is it realy slightly behind thane?

[wheat kindle]

Raided with thane last night. Felt great and was getting 10% more dps than before the buff. Felt nice tbf

[short sand]

Could anyone help me out? I really cant understand why I cant get proper parses as Thane in M+

Cant seem to get out of green parses in +19s

no matter what I do

[safe imp]

wtf i didnt even realize dungeons had parses

[subtle lagoon]

isn't it points&damage that people look at?

[short sand]

Yea

Damage is iirelevant

[short sand]

You have to normalize by key level

[manic tapir]

you running slayer or thane?

[safe imp]

thane

[red berry]

its cool to share random pictures

[short sand]

I am just looking for help

[safe imp]

idk what this shit is based off of ngl

time completed?

[short sand]

Its more or less parsed by key lebvel

The 'damage' is against all keys parsed

the damage+points is more of a normalized metric considering people with similar points to you

Thats why 'damage' is irrelevant, its comparing you to people doing +4 keys

[simple creek]

With the fury slayer changes, how better or behind is it in ST and 3T scenarios?

compared to thane

[short sand]

I was running mythic palas yday

I def felt much better with thane dmg

Dont know about slayer though

[simple creek]

yeah, that what i was thinking about mostly

[short sand]

Although tbh

Mythic palas is an uptime fight more then any spec or rotation

So hard to maintain uptime on that fight, and thats hwat makes all the difference in dps

[dense elbow]

Just ask for PainSupp and stand in fire

Taunt reflect buster

[short sand]

yea

We run it with 10 melee

😄

[gleaming crag]

Where's the initial spec thread?

[chilly fractal]

The true warrior

[lost reef]

slowly getting into high keys

[fading abyss]

Hey guys during your Reck + Avatar on MT in M+ what are we spamming? Rampage main prio correct? And is the filler BT and TC? Or do we throw in Execute on CD during or only when we get a proc?

[lost reef]

Idk feels like fury after the buffs got a lot

Also the nerfs for meta specs makes me closer to them on details

[safe imp]

TC & Rampage during big pulls

BT and Execute fillers

execute is good rage generation

[honest trail]

You're lucky to get groups 🥲

[lost reef]

i mean do sit in que some days for 2h not getting invited

[honest trail]

2h?

I get 6h queue for 1 invite

Break in 5min

lmao

Average M+ day

[sage rune]

lucky to get a group that doesnt deplete the key in the first 40 seconds

[fading abyss]

Coo coo, thxs 👍

[short sand]

2 hours to get invited

5 minutes for key to break

😆

[safe imp]

🤣

[honest trail]

Took me like 2 weeks to find one Seat 17 for resilience

[simple creek]

what's your io with resil 19?

[lost reef]

3972

i think

alt f4 insta after key

[sage rune]

resil 19 is like 3770

[lost reef]

wtf i wanted to ttype 3772

mb

[honest trail]

19 is not 3k9 x)

[full pebble]

guys i have one question about damage in this new patch: fury slayer should prioritize the raging blow or bloodthirst? i mean also in talent

[subtle lagoon]

bloodthirst

[honest trail]

Rampage @100 rage > Exec > BT > Rampage > RB/Whirlwind with Rend

[full pebble]

thx guys

i have just seen in some forum that said slayer could also put raging blow in the talent before bloodthirst, is that a bullshit or there is some reason?

[honest trail]

That was The War Within S3

RB is lowest prio now

[fleet yarrow]

it changed

[full pebble]

even though the rb is improved today, still weak , right?

[full pebble]

is there any new updates?

[honest trail]

Nope

[fleet yarrow]

Pretty sure sub 100 rampage has higher prio than BT now?

[honest trail]

There is 0 reason for that

Even if Ramp was like 20% dmg more

[unreal onyx]

if you are enraged, no

[honest trail]

For the simple reason that Rampage has 0 cd

& BT is a builder with a cd

Builder>Spender

If you don't overcap

Yes Rampage is higher dmg

But it's not higher prio to manage rage

[full pebble]

thanks a lot, mate

could you explain a little more about manage rage?

[sage ridge]

That's only in Slayer aoe

[full pebble]

i am kind new to the warri

[fleet yarrow]

makes sens

[honest trail]

Yeah I was talking about ST

Aoe is Ramp @100 > Exec > Ramp > BT > WW

& never press RB at 3+ targets

Spam WW

[fading sky]

No chance we play rb talents yet

[honest trail]

Don't think so

[fading sky]

I wonder the sim difference

Cant be large as slayer

[full pebble]

may i ask the logic behind that?

[fading sky]

Y no way

[thorny pier]

RB for slayer has pretty much fallen off the priority list

Except in ST where you will still priortize it over spamming ww if all else is unavailable.

[honest trail]

Maths

[full pebble]

oh

[honest trail]

& soft capped 5

Instead of hardcapped

[full pebble]

mate thanks!

[honest trail]

But actually

It's maybe RB at 5 now

& WW at more

[full pebble]

game changer

if i wanna go to raid, its better go slayer isteand of MT right?

[honest trail]

Play what you enjoy

[severe wasp]

^

[fading sky]

I mean rb more rage

So doin ww is trolø

[honest trail]

Since buffs prob

[fading sky]

Yup

[honest trail]

Before it was WW spam AOE as Slayer

But I guess you're right now

[fading sky]

Y i mean slayer didnt get plsyed

[full pebble]

just from the perspective of damage?

[fading sky]

Both

[honest trail]

Thane will padd more

Slayer will do slightly more prio dmg

So just do what you want

[full pebble]

i got that , thx!

[honest trail]

I'd argue Thane is often better for mythic progress

Slayer's better for reclear

But it's w/e

[fading sky]

Very comp dependant

[honest trail]

y

[fading sky]

We filled with ddhs and rets

[honest trail]

We had 2 Fury on Dragons & we were both asked to hold cds for adds

But I didn't cause it was just overkill

shrugs

[fading sky]

Kek 2 ddhs

Adds are gone

[honest trail]

We do with what we have :p

[fading sky]

And 2 rets

[honest trail]

But I ended up leaving cause it was too meta focused gameplay

& I don't enjoy that

[fading sky]

In playn slayer arms full st

I just cba

[thorny pier]

Theres people you can talk to, help is available

[dense elbow]

Jump

[fading sky]

Just better on dragons

[thorny pier]

Thane much more consistent at humbling ddhs with how reactive it can steal padding dps on bosses like dragons

[full pebble]

so we do spam ww above +3. or we do use rb?

[fading sky]

Rb

[honest trail]

Prob RB

Like Thegokke said

Since it was buffed

[full pebble]

got that

[honest trail]

& it gives rage for more Rampage

[fading sky]

And mainly coz its more prio

And rage

[honest trail]

I wanna go b to keys now

Slayer keys are just so fun

[full pebble]

and bloodthirst is always before rb right?

[honest trail]

I was just watching Noxiv yesterday in +22 & even with changes he was spamming WW over RB

But it was big pulls

[full pebble]

one more question, should i keep my rage above certain number?

[honest trail]

No

[thorny pier]

0

[fading sky]

Y theres prob a number

[drifting token]

EVERYTHING is before rb, its the lowest thing on the prio list basically always

[full pebble]

got that, thanks for the patience!

[honest trail]

Maybe like 7-8 like Clap for Thane

Being soft capped

[fading sky]

Might be dno

[honest trail]

Need to try that

Should do some 18 this week, will try è_é

[edgy oasis]

Isn't it. 6+ targets...

[thorny pier]

For clap, yes

[honest trail]

More like 7 just cause the dmg of hitting 6 with clap is worse than hitting 5 with BB +the chance of having a proc

but it's kind of whatever xD

Just do any

[thorny pier]

Are the changes actually sufficient enough that there's a reason to play slayer "competetively" besides "slayer is comfortable" and "I can turn my brain off"

[honest trail]

What's your goal is usually the answer

& how good are you at one or the other

"Can I be 1st World Fury as Slayer?", probably yes

But that's like not the most relevant thing

Both are close enough than you can just play anything you want

[full pebble]

guys, i just tested with 5 targets, i think u need the rb for the rage

[honest trail]

All 4 war specs are good

[thorny pier]

Damage number go up in raid and "can I stop playing arms in keys higher than like 12 now"

[full pebble]

that is big difference

[honest trail]

Highest raw numbers = Arms Colossus

[loud zinc]

always could

[honest trail]

Push keys = anything you want

[thorny pier]

Ive been counting to 4 and not hitting ww for any other reason besides maybe filler since dragonflight season one and I refuse to change my ways

I do just fine

Raging blow can still eat

[honest trail]

I'm currently playing Slayer in 17-18's & others play it in 20's+

So just do w/e mate

[thorny pier]

You got it

[fleet yarrow]

that they are

Its just unga bunga

[loud zinc]

ya slayer's been really fun

[fleet yarrow]

exactly how god intended fury to be played

[thorny pier]

Precisely this is why its the best there is

All zug no brakes

[fleet yarrow]

When I pop recklessness and just start (with improved whirlwind), mashing execute + rampage

[honest trail]

Ramp & Exec spam is real fun

[fleet yarrow]

Only time I had as much fun was Dragon flight season 1 fury, where we were a 1 button raging blow spec

[frozen scarab]

have you guys been running slayer in dungs

[fleet yarrow]

ye

[frozen scarab]

how’s the dps looking

[fleet yarrow]

pretty good

[drifting token]

it aint thane but its fine

[frozen scarab]

niceu

[loud zinc]

competitive

[loud zinc]

can be better depending on key

[drifting token]

better is too vague of a word

[loud zinc]

keys like AA or Seat have more ST uptime so Slayer ends up being the pick

like you still do 200k on the 2nd boss, and then the rest of the dungeon you blast ST. the trash in the key isn't super scary and doesn't tend to dominate the key for the most part

^ Seat

[lost reef]

Idk if thats true but on thane its also way easier to surive stuff

[drifting token]

Its def not the pick for AA idk where you got that

[loud zinc]

AA is a pad key based on the first pack for half the overperforming specs

it's a ST key

just looking at overall dmg for AA is REALLY misleading

[drifting token]

Out of the top 100 Fury entries for AA, 6 of them are Slayer.

[loud zinc]

that's cool, again -- looking at overall numbers in that key is really misleading

[lost reef]

i think atleast for high keys thane is gonna be always better then slayer for any key pad is also kina important on AA

[drifting token]

Im not looking at overalls lol but alright

Its a thane key

[loud zinc]

pad doesn't really make Tree boss go faster. you just pad on it

[lost reef]

Idk i gues i would have to test a bit more but from the high elo players did say there isnt single key wich slayer is better

but it is competetive with thane even more on easier keys

[drifting token]

There's a slightly decent amt of slayer on pit, skyreach, and spire

and by slightly decent I mean liike 15 instead of 5

[loud zinc]

SR makes sense. the bosses are mostly pure ST there

pit less so

pit's pretty aoe heavy

[dusk dawn]

If I have 2 mythic weapons, is it better to go double arcanoweave embellishments or stay with my crafted weapon with hunt?

[full pebble]

and which enhancement is best for fury slayer?

for the weapon i mean

[languid willow]

the robot tells all

[full pebble]

different webseite tells me the different infos

[radiant plank]

what does raidbots.com/topgear tell you

[real cape]

That can vary a bit depending on your gear.

Which is why people tell you to ask the robot.

[dry ether]

can someone share fury slayer talents?

[full pebble]

thanks!

[dense elbow]

CgEAjLzRlq54bI5v+r8Sr9Xw4DAAAAAAgGDmxM2WmZmZmxMmZMjZmZWmZGzMzsNmZGAAIGLLDsAzEMDTGMDbAzMYWGAwgZGDjxgBD

[dry ether]

thank you

[sly bobcat]

AA is a ST key (prio dmg mobs and 4 bosses)

[lost reef]

Yea i know that AA is ST key but still think thane is better

there

[sly bobcat]

Probs. Can’t speak for slayer much since the only 18+ I did this week we bricked it on the 1st pull and I looked like a tiny noodle compared to the feral

I did a shitton of dmg in a 13 AA tho as slayer

[lost reef]

even on thane we look like a tiny noodle compered to ferals

[loud zinc]

^

most AA keys for warriors don't look good comparitively

well fury

colo can pad on trees

[lost reef]

the 19 i timed i was like 25k overall behind ret i think

[brittle crow]

potion of recklessness only cares about ur base stats right

no talents or enrage or lust

[sullen cloak]

Is Mythic Chimaereus Pugable?

[sour elbow]

yes

[sullen cloak]

anyone had much experience with pugs on it? Reasonably smooth?

[lost reef]

depends on the group ofc the 3 kills i did with pugs

where very smooth

were*

[fading sky]

Its a shitshow

Spec fear removal

Can save a pull

[short sand]

Been pugging it every week since release

[fleet yarrow]

can't get into one

;/

[stiff carbon]

Battle shout gets me in

I do not see a lot of warriors out there

[sullen cloak]

Ok that sounds reasonably promising! Thanks guys

[odd crater]

Just have a high iLvl, and heroic achieve. Ez pz

[opaque mortar]

It took me ~50 pulls to pug it on mythic. Honestly you luck in to a group that kicks during intermission or you don't

[thorny pier]

Anything that affects secondary stat numbers. Flasks will influence which stat reck adds to. Things like lust, the AA buff, raid buffs, etc influence the percentage of secondary stats and thus dont affect which stat reck pots pull from

[spare steppe]

It’s not

There’s a surprising number of folks who don’t understand basic mechanics and hope to get carried through

[dense elbow]

Time to nerf reap again

reap -10%, OF and BS up 10%

[heavy galleon]

So, how feels slayer on M+ ?

[dense elbow]

Plays great, does decent dam

10/10 would recommend

[fleet yarrow]

Also fun

[dense elbow]

Only drawback is that reap does too much dam

[fleet yarrow]

how that a drawback/

[dense elbow]

Reap should be 7-8%

:(

[edgy widget]

the only thing doing too much dam in that screenshot is rampage tbh

[dense elbow]

[edgy widget]

though cutting off 3/4 of the abilities does help hide the argument lol

[supple glen]

actively doing damage > passive damage

[gilded belfry]

Guys for slurry what change in prio rotation for st & aoe?

[smoky vale]

i think its execute over bb?

but id check wowhead to be sure

[gilded belfry]

Ty

If i use rampage >100 over 80 i always feel rage management better

[olive wraith]

Typo?

[gilded belfry]

If i use rampage >100 over 80 i always feel rage management better

[olive wraith]

Yes that’s the normal prio

[gilded belfry]

Ok so bb stay prio than rampage unless rage >100 right ?

[winter shoal]

Yes

[wanton zinc]

does anyone know anything about voidforge?

do we will have 298

weapons

both hands?

[neat gazelle]

do we send odyns always with reck and avatar? i notice sometimes they dont line up

or do we just send when on cd for all

[olive wraith]

On cd for the most part

[neat gazelle]

ok so i can send reck and avatar even with odyn?

[olive wraith]

Yes those are you real cooldowns

OF isn’t super big

[neat gazelle]

ok ive been holding until odyn up lol

rip

[olive wraith]

Good lord

[unborn musk]

Also, the tier set bonus makes sure you will always do at least one OF with Avatar/Reck active

[solemn kiln]

Slayer in m+ is it better now then tain?

[neat gazelle]

i heard thane still better

[strong monolith]

Guys is thane getting nerfed

[solemn kiln]

Ok good

[olive wraith]

Slayer has better st so there might be circumstances where you’ll pick it depending on comp

But either works

[frank dawn]

for 99% of people legit just play the one you like, if you're asking this question just play the one you like lol. At the high end and specific comps each one has situations where it can min/max above the other

[drifting token]

what would even warrant making that question come up in your head

[olive wraith]

He’s been asking daily

Best to ignore

[drifting token]

I see

[strong monolith]

[stoic loom]

So uve been playing without a 4p 🤔

[neat gazelle]

yes lol

just geared this guy

[oblique thistle]

Im loving slury in dungeons

[clear anvil]

u go haste mast as fury?

[drifting token]

u go what your sim tells you to go

[fleet yarrow]

Sim is a lie

My personal subjective feelings will sim my gear

[hazy orchid]

hi, im progressing Vaelgor & Ezzorak tonight and was wondering which specc i should play after changes? any advice pls?

[hushed walrus]

thane

[thorny pier]

Thane is invaluable for the "blink and youll miss it" adds and for the entire last phase where its 2 target cleave.

[spare steppe]

Isn’t mythic always 2T

Since they’re both grounded?

[thorny pier]

Idk my guild cant kill paladins on heroic because I raid to play with my parents

And the guild is full of people who remember server lag in 2004

[thorny pier]

If thats the case though thane all the way

[hazy orchid]

thats why i was wonderig if arms would be better option for this fight

[thorny pier]

Colossus does better on dragons in mythic so says archon

[fleet garden]

I know this pain, my friends guild is exactly this

[thorny pier]

I remind myself that I love my parents and I do it for them as we wipe on dragons for the nth time because somebody got the fear breath and stood still

...in full los of the tanks and the entire group at large

[hazy orchid]

i was not sure if this is still true after recent changes. but the difference is not big so i think i will try both. we wont kill them in one try i guess 😄 ty

[haughty carbon]

i have a theory, idk is my theory is okay

He's fair to focus the lowest hp adds on pack for spam execute for minmaxing dps ?

[spare steppe]

Issue id see is the adds aren’t always grouped so it’s less clean

Whereas thane is just nice and clean

[thorny pier]

Massive thunderclap radius vs physically turning around to use your cone aoe

No thanks!

[fleet garden]

Heroic crown, every time it takes 5 sets of arrows to debuff the p1 adds

[hazy orchid]

360 roundhouse claps would definitely save me some headaches while progressing... will consider that ty both

[olive wraith]

I mean it really depends. You often want to kill dangerous mobs first

[haughty carbon]

Y i know, but Execute made big big damage, im questioning about that

[olive wraith]

Is this for keys or raid

There’s probably an argument for both but since I do keys mostly I’d say probably not worth

[haughty carbon]

for key

[olive wraith]

Ya I’d still say probably not. It’s good to kill things all together if no prio target is alive

[rare forum]

Slayer AoE presses WW over natty execute during CDs? 😮

[olive wraith]

Read what it says

[rare forum]

Yes? Natty exe not even on the list

same as rb

[olive wraith]

Well rb is trash

[rare forum]

idc about rb, still WW > natty eyxe

dafuq

[olive wraith]

I believe that’s outdated regardless

Check #updates-midnight

[olive wraith]

Is there a question here

[rare forum]

Says all guides have been updated, in the first sentence

[timber bluff]

If it’s a good build or not for raid

[olive wraith]

Did you see the part mentioning execute

[timber bluff]

I did not

[olive wraith]

Probably not. Most bosses have cleave

Sorry above wasn’t at you

[timber bluff]

I do make sure to use tf out of execute Everytime I can

[olive wraith]

Just snag a wowhead build

[kind bison]

How’s slayer fury feeling for crown?

[rare forum]

idk, then those bullet points kinda contradict the guide

but it says guide updated lol

[olive wraith]

I’d say iww is a must, wrath and fury is ass

[rare forum]

kinda confusing

[kind bison]

Debating on that or ST arms slayer, kinda wanna play fury since it’s tankier

[valid pulsar]

[timber bluff]

Fury is tankier than arms??

[modest condor]

the guide is correct

[timber bluff]

W h a t

[olive wraith]

What’s confusing about that lol

[olive wraith]

So we don’t prio execute over bb?

[modest condor]

not without sd no

[fallen solstice]

From my pulls last night Slayer was okay on crown but I was missing the improved victory rush thing from thane. Especially because we were progging you get pushed off the boss a lot by other Melee

[olive wraith]

This confuses me then. Eli5

[modest condor]

[olive wraith]

Is it just referring execute as sd in this case

[modest condor]

let me double check

[fallen ginkgo]

my sim also doesnt press execute over WW only if SD proc

[oblique thistle]

I mean archi didnt specify in the post if it was only SD, he just says prio execute over bb

[fallen ginkgo]

wait no it does lol im just blind

[honest trail]

I see 0 reason to not press Exec without SD: rage regen, Wrath's buff uptime for Rampage spam

[modest condor]

yeah it's only with sudden death that execute > bb

[honest trail]

It's just too good atm

[modest condor]

and whirlwind also > exe during reck

[olive wraith]

Interesting

[modest condor]

so the guide is correct

[oblique thistle]

Hmm ok

[valid pulsar]

wait what

[modest condor]

i mean

consider how much damage whirlwind does and how much damage execute does

the limiting factor with whirlwind is often rage gen

but that's not an issue during reck

that 1.5x damage from meat cleaver is doing work

[honest trail]

& uncapped

[dim spindle]

extra 8% DR with pretty good uptime

Every time you use TB for 5 seconds, assuming you're using "keep yer feet on tha ground"

[fallen solstice]

This isn't really the reason fury is tankier

[valid pulsar]

oh

[dim spindle]

It's one of the less obvious reasons

For those who copy/paste builds

[edgy widget]

no, it is updated

[dim spindle]

BT/BB prio helps too

[olive wraith]

Ye silm corrected me. Kinda mind fucked me

[fallen solstice]

What would be helpful to their confusion would be pointing out the warpaint talent and that you have 2x2h of stam because it's unrelated to what hero talent you take

[edgy widget]

WW/Exe are functionally equal for the most part; if you really wanna get into the weeds though, it varies ever so slightly depending on the # of targets

• around 5 targets, natural Execute is ~0.08% better
• around 8 targets, it's functionally equal
• around 10 targets, WW is ~0.05% better
  and so on

but you gotta realize when you start talking about numbers that small, it could not possibly matter - just press buttons

[rare forum]

Nice, thanks for clearing it up!

[edgy widget]

one of the things you might occasionally hear people talk about is margin of error or DPS range
those are two separate things, but they both fall into a similar category of "numbers are going to naturally vary from sim to sim or iteration to iteration" - something as small as 0.05% is equal for all intents and purposes

I mean we're talking 200 dps out of 500,000; we can try to measure and put a number on it, but it's within a margin where you're not going to get total consistency

and in that case, I always advocate for simplicity - such as just universally prioritizing Whirlwind instead of trying to keep track of shifting numbers of targets

[fresh jasper]

What is preventing dps warrior from hitting numbers compared to most other classes though? I raid as fury thane in heroic and get orange parses yet my guilds various other classes do comparatively similar damage to me yet get blues and purples. I understand that that means their classes can push further than ours in terms of boss and overall damage.

[digital ore]

It's a disgusting pad season anyway

[fresh jasper]

Even for pure st fights though

Double dragon and cosmos feel like the only pad fights.

[digital ore]

our ST is fucked and the only way to appear on the meters is to greed cooldowns on adds

[oblique thistle]

Our st is a lot less fucked now

[fresh jasper]

Thats only true for double dragons and cosmos

[oblique thistle]

Not the top by any means but doing way better now

[fallen solstice]

We just got buffed and our damage is being compared to pre nerf numbers for 1

Your parse is going to be inflated

[edgy widget]

in a word? Tuning

[digital ore]

it's true for vorelus, for nexus, for imperator, cosmos, beloren, lura, dragons

[edgy widget]

but that's a considerably broader question than you probably think it is

[digital ore]

the only boss it doesnt apply to is vanguard

forgot chim too

[fallen solstice]

He is raiding heroic fwiw

[digital ore]

ah not sure about heroic then

[fallen solstice]

So there is TECHNICALLY some ST isolation 😛

[digital ore]

yeah you're right

[fresh jasper]

Yeah I said heroic not mythic. I know that mythic arms pulls ahead with huge chunkier adds that need to be dealt with more consistently. I see how slarms can be more beneficial during that

[fallen solstice]

I kinda miss starting the raid night out with plexus patchwerk

[kind bison]

could be a thane for prog angle maybe

[edgy widget]

If you really wanna simplify, it boils down to one major point

• tuning in WoW is not equal, fair, or consistent, nor is it necessarily meant to be - different classes/specs/heroes are purposefully engineered to have varying capabilities in order to keep things interesting, which inevitably results in some things simply being better than others at a given time or place, no matter how much you do/not try to tune them

[fallen solstice]

I'd say it's easier and safer for sure

And with that likely less frustrating lol

[edgy widget]

and it doesn't matter how much anyone particularly likes that fact, but it is the fact of the matter, and it's something you have to learn to come to terms with, or you are going to be perpetually unhappy with this game

[fallen solstice]

Gl friend

[kind bison]

ty twin i appreciate u 🙂

[fallen solstice]

To your point, I find that much of what makes people unhappy about tuning is framing. Understanding your damage profile and strengths and comparing your performance to other warriors rather than staring at details is a good starting point

The game isn't going to ever be a nice line from top dps to last and the game would be kinda boring imo

[timber bluff]

I’m trying the single target build and un I feel like it sucks so I gotta be doing it wrong

[edgy widget]

I mean it does kinda suck, but that's Warrior single target damage right now

which doesn't necessarily preclude the fact that you might also be doing something wrong

[radiant plank]

Blame yourself first, tanks 2nd and our class 3rd

[edgy widget]

absolutely, and it doesn't help that Blizz decides to change these things on a whim every other patch - it would really help if there were more consistency in capabilities

[fallen solstice]

Very true

Like how is our execute damage compared to other specs right now? It feels pretty weak for a class hitting 'execute'

Maybe that's more fury than warrior

[quiet geyser]

Fury's been like that for awhile now though

Small bump in execute, but nothing super exciting

[fallen solstice]

I thought so but it sounds dumb when I tell my raid lead that our execute isn't what it used to be. At least we had liberation of undermine as a place to point them as evidence

Damage profile like my butt

[fresh jasper]

Naw I figured as much with tuning atm and yes, wow will always have vatious class imbalances.

[spare flame]

legion antorus patch, we were so great..

[quiet geyser]

Personally i'de like to see the CDR from Massacre gone (replace with something that increases dmg per cast), and have it just hit harder

[storm obsidian]

Warrior has war in the name.. they want to get rid of it because its scary

[quiet geyser]

Execute should feel fun to press, even if it means a little less often

[spare flame]

i miss condemn a bit too, i liked the red color it had

[edgy widget]

believe it or not, Fury Execute is pretty competitive now

[spare flame]

is that for slayer?

[edgy widget]

no colossus 🙄

[quiet geyser]

Lmao

[edgy widget]

because obviously we're talking about Execute

though as is common with Fury, actually hitting those numbers is a matter of consistency and uptime that is rarely practical in modern encounters

[lunar karma]

I think the only time I've hit consistent damage close to 100k was on a normal raid just being a goblin and ignoring mechanics lmao

[quiet geyser]

A toned down antorus for fury would actually be fun and fit the playstyle/fantasy. Furys suppose to be a blood thirsty killer.. the lower the enemy's hp, or longer execute phase lasts.. it should do more damage 🙂

[spare steppe]

What’s mid1

[radiant plank]

Arms execute neutered because of mug'zee

[radiant plank]

Midnight 1

[undone flower]

Midnight S1

[spare steppe]

Now I feel dumb can I take my question back

[undone flower]

It’s the full bis gear profile

[spare steppe]

I love using pawn and bis lists

[ornate gust]

nerf incoming 3 2 1 ....

[inland flame]

gz to Crit

[neat gazelle]

how often does defensive stance get used in keys?

[lunar karma]

I use it all the time, I got a macro where it switches back and forth, really good for mitigating guranteed damage like boss aoe and stuff, makes your healers life quite nice

[inland flame]

Depends on how often you need it but it's an amazing defensive. Stance Mastery is really powerful too if you're a little worried about being squishy in really high keys.

[neat gazelle]

@lunar karma oh sweet! do you mind sharing that? i know it reduces damage we do by 10%, so im assuming its just somtehing we have on for a short period of time in a oh fuck situation? lol

[lunar karma]

I'm at work right now but i think if you go on icy veins and go to macros for fury warrior it maybe on there. Also if you take stance mastery thats also a big damage reduction to even bigger hits like the masks fire breath on maisara caverns. Once you've switched stance you can't switch back for 3 seconds I beleive and when you're able you want to switch back asap as it will kill your dps if you stay in defensive.

[fleet yarrow]

ye theres pros and cons

Like maybe people will complain that fury dmg aint a lot,

But it always has a spot in a raid

A benefit other classes may not have, even if they do good dmg

[edgy widget]

I mean they definitely did complain about it, and Fury did get some tuning as well

[coarse nest]

Whenever dps war is bad they just bring Prot

[edgy widget]

but Blizz isn't going to suddenly shoot something from the bottom of the meters to the top, no matter how much people bitch about it

[fading sky]

Furys biggest issue lately has been shitty tuned until race has been done

And flat dmg profile

Requires very high tuned st

[fallen solstice]

Do you have insight on if fury is good compared to arms only, or if warrior execute phase in general is pretty strong right now?

[subtle nova]

are we playing slayer now for raid?

[fallen solstice]

The wow head recommendations are still good per fight, but thane will be more consistent and safe while slayer will likely represent more top logs as time goes on

Just my 2 cents

[undone flower]

and you will likely play both in raid depending the boss

[fallen solstice]

Man I was so out of practice on slayer I was playing like a dweeb on cosmos lmao

[stiff carbon]

Folks remaining Thane in keys for the most part?

[fallen solstice]

Not me gassing up for a huge brutal finish like it's tww

[compact knot]

Ok maybe I did high roll...

[wispy thistle]

this is on paladins right?

[fallen solstice]

I thought they were progging lura

[wispy thistle]

theres no way thats lura damage

[fading sky]

P3 has amp

[sullen dove]

and p4?

ofc its lura

[sly bobcat]

Peeeeee 3

[compact knot]

its lura

[sullen dove]

no one is getting anywhere near that high on paladins

and the room isnt red

[compact knot]

p3 and p4 have a damage amp

and you get a crystal on you that does like 95k dps

and counts on details

lol

[lilac notch]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2] Defensive Stance; [stance:1] Berserker Stance

[bitter palm]

@compact knot u did like

190k

right

[compact knot]

yeah

[bitter palm]

arms owns

[compact knot]

i still did like 10k more then crit

and these buffs we got

are especially big for this fight

so

i had a pull where i was top3 dps in p1

rare high roll

[fallen solstice]

This cannot be!

[sullen dove]

why r they losing 40mil dmg from detail to log

no way thats aug rite

[compact knot]

look at dawn crystal

[wispy thistle]

logs split the crystals im guessing details doesnt

[compact knot]

the dawn crystal counts as your dps in p4

[sullen dove]

is it counted as themselves on details ig

[compact knot]

yes

[wispy thistle]

the dawn crystal damage was throwing me off. Makes more sense now

[undone flower]

Crit died on that pull btw

[fallen solstice]

I really didn't know I'm at work I was guessing. Looked wrong to me too

[smoky crescent]

Ive been learning fury and Im pumping on keys except for when I get to ST bosses I struggle a lot to have decent dps is that normal?

[ornate gust]

crown

[fringe citrus]

UwU

[nimble totem]

slayer for most of these?

[fringe citrus]

only thane

[nimble totem]

awwwwww

[next dragon]

what stat should I get from potion of recklessness for fury?

[sullen dove]

mastery ideally

[next dragon]

icic thanks

[terse ether]

so execute > BT ? for slayer

I know SD but im asking for standard executr

[valid pulsar]

Slayer goes hard in raid rn

[olive wraith]

For st I believe

[olive wraith]

Follow up question. If non sd exe>bb for aoe would that also mean ww>bb in aoe then?

[edgy widget]

neither of those things are the case

[terse ether]

for ST I was wondering yeah,

is normal execute (non sd) better than bb for st ? 😛

without juggernaut feels weird for me

[viral falcon]

slayer or thane for vorasius

[terse ether]

I would've said thane, but now I think slayer will be better

[viral falcon]

ok ty

[spring pier]

slayer or thane for M+

in 19+ ?

[hybrid cargo]

Slayer imo, bs reck should line up for 2nd set of adds otherwise they just dont live long enough for thane to profit

Like youre better off getting the boss ded faster for a better overall parse

[spring pier]

i`m furry

[viral falcon]

youre a furry

[olive wraith]

Pick your poison

Thane has better overall slayer has better prio/st

[delicate thicket]

I feel like slayer is more fun but this off gcd spinning has me in shambles

[olive wraith]

The reap procs?

[hybrid cargo]

Ima be really i dont even notice the reap animation

[quasi girder]

Sorry guys, just a question... It's only to me that enrage disappear randomly? Maybe I'm missing something?

[hybrid cargo]

Nor most of the animations too focused on other things

[lusty jungle]

Its not disappearing, only from the blizz cdm but you still have the buff, have same problem

[hybrid cargo]

Enrage management like isn't real any more

[quasi girder]

Ok I'll check...

[rigid yacht]

Mythic voidspire... You guys following the spec by spec or going full slayer now?

[waxen vale]

big ol depends

[devout current]

Guys what talent can I swap if I want enraged regen as an extra defensive?

In thane M+ spec

[summer quail]

massacre

[rigid yacht]

That isn't helpful 🤣

[devout current]

Does that not heavily effect dps considering no execute?

[summer quail]

i mean you still execute. just a lil bit less than before, it's not a massive dps loss. tho it is bigger than it was last week ofc

[hybrid cargo]

My guild is still progging dragons but I did slayer first 2, thane next 2

Slayer would be better on saladar but ima try that next week, my ass is still having to chase big orbs

So like I couldn't guarantee bladestorm on the small bois without holding it for too long

[devout current]

Apparently just switching to defensive stance is enough but

How would I write a macro to be able to just toggle from 1 stance to another?

[hybrid cargo]

My saladar parse is ass lol

[rigid yacht]

Cheers @hybrid cargo !

We're progging salad bar too, just trying to get a decent parse on the first two

[devout current]

nvm found one ty

[hybrid cargo]

Imperator is just about min maxxiny cd usage, vorcerious is kinda a group effort

The faster the kill the better you'll do

[foggy terrace]

hello I have a question, what is the meta for weapon enchants? Both the same? Mastery?

[celest halo]

Sim!

[foggy terrace]

yea well if that didnt need bachelors degree I would XD

i will look into it

[celest halo]

If you have the simc addon, type /simc, copy what it shows you

Go to raidbots.com and click top gear. Check “replace gems and enchants” and select the enchants you want to sim between. Then just set your target count and click sim

Usually 1 target 5 minutes for ST and something like 5 targets 1 minute or 10 targets 1 minute for aoe

Good starting point

[tardy hedge]

u guyz have Thunder clap prio over BT when more then 4 target?

[slim coral]

during cds at 6+

[tardy hedge]

without cds u are not prio thunder clap over bt?

[warm wharf]

guys after recent changes in m+ is still arms better?

[dense elbow]

Arms prob the best 'top pick' still, but for us in the 99.9%, it is fine to play what you prefer and it will do just fine

[slim coral]

correct

[olive wraith]

Higher ceiling. Thane is more consistent imo

[dense elbow]

Proof that Fury is the better pick

[olive wraith]

Colo requires pulling stuff onto boss to utilize its kit better

[dense elbow]

If you just wanna chill and have fun, Slayer Fury is real good at that

[junior crag]

why does my rampage glow sometimes without available rage to cast it ?

[compact knot]

if you get enough rage to cast it during reck and then reck runs out it does that

[hybrid cargo]

Its because reck fell off

[compact knot]

because reck reduces rage cast of rampage

[junior crag]

aha

thanks

[dense elbow]

Does it glow during reck? Never noticed

[compact knot]

it glows when you have enough rage to cast it

[hybrid cargo]

It glows when you can cast it lol

Fucking redundant

[dense elbow]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cat-face-cats-qZgHBlenHa1zKqy6Zn

I never noticed this after so many year and months and days

Today I learned something new, it is a good day

[hybrid cargo]

Should glow at 100+ rage if they knew how the class they made plays but hey.

[random shadow]

Us 99.99% you're telling me you're not part of the .1%? Lies

[dense elbow]

if I was part of the 0.01%, this game would have a skill ceiling at floor level

[fickle stirrup]

Or tune Rampage to ALWAYS be the priority the moment it becomes available.

[warm wharf]

and for 0.1% player?

[random shadow]

Doesn't sound bad

[warm wharf]

arms ofr fury now?

[celest halo]

Yeah I’ve been having a better time with thane recently just because of the pug of it all. I end up doing just as much aoe but not being useless on bosses

[random shadow]

Well are you .1%?

[warm wharf]

last season yes

[dense elbow]

Whatever they are more comfortable playing with, Trassh. Most chose arms, but we got Fury die hards there

[random shadow]

Hm

[dense elbow]

I would atm gamble arms, if you are PuGing

[random shadow]

Ultimately what you enjoy

[dense elbow]

prob more invites

[random shadow]

The very off metta specs still get .1 so

[warm wharf]

y with arms i feel very bad on st if not funnel and also random tank movement

but if it better np

[random shadow]

It has the highest overall currently

[celest halo]

I mean, I don’t think col is such a clear winner… for me thane sims like maybe 1-2% lower in aoe, but like 20% higher in ST

[random shadow]

And ST if funnel

I mean realistically its kinda close and you can play whatever. Folks are testing and pumping slayer arms currently in higher keys

[celest halo]

Yeah, and slayer arms sims like 15-20% lower in aoe haha, all about damage profile I suppose

[warm wharf]

y i saw dat people in 20 resil are playing whatever after changes maybe we need to wait. Probably depend on comp to

[celest halo]

No need to wait, just try whatever

[random shadow]

If you have a stack then it doesnt really matter tbh just play what you like

Nox plays fury but with banshee and whatever etc

Biz plays with his stack or pug. Crit with his stack plays both

[warm wharf]

well with good route as arms i fell better but as fury i can be more consistent maybe for pugging player its better dat way

thx guys

[dense elbow]

Fury for PuGs, always great. Tank pulls the same as everyone else, neat. Tank got their own weird path of big, small, medium, chain, small, big? No worries, neat.

[random shadow]

I feel col arms is fine with demo. Slayer arms tho bs in small packs sucks

[vast gorge]

On mythic dragons does your guild make you soak glooms? I have to soak gloom and its causing my cds not to line up with add spawns.

[clear haven]

haven't played war since the last update, whats stronger on fury rn? slayer or thane?

[cerulean badger]

for what?

[dense elbow]

https://c.tenor.com/OGIXK_P_1mIAAAAC/tenor.gif

[undone flower]

some of those has a 90% reduced queue time tho

so they are the better pick

[undone flower]

i would gamble prot

[random shadow]

Would just reroll

[dense elbow]

[undone flower]

my lobster is too buttery

[hybrid cargo]

I honestly think it would be easier for them to edit the trigger than tuning the class lmao

[fallen siren]

You can still hit boss while soaking

[tepid beacon]

hi did a quick sim of this cloak on the right compared to current equipped, and what would be the comparison at max hero rank, it says the cloak on the right is better? 🤔 wondered why as the one equipped rn is haste/crit but the suggested is vers/crit?

[fickle stirrup]

Hell, even treating the Rampage as a "proc" that let's you use it if you got enough rage to use it as Reck falls off

[lean nacelle]

link your sim

[hybrid cargo]

Most likely your haste is approaching the dr point with buffs and in combat procs making full value verse out weigh haste

Ideally you might want to shave off some haste for crit/mastery items where you can so that you dont end up equipping vers items... except voidclaw gaunts lol

[tepid beacon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aMbdGqCiUCFM9mEknGLF8K

[lean nacelle]

yeah you got a lot of haste

[hybrid cargo]

For starters you should def use eyes of the eagle on rings too

What settings is giving you a 450k Sim lol

[lean nacelle]

it says 5 target 1 min

[errant marsh]

What the best setting to sim for M+?

[hybrid cargo]

Ahh missed that

[lean nacelle]

you can just sim 1 target 5 mins and/or 5 target 5 mins. But the 1 target is best to look at for the most part

[hybrid cargo]

You could try reforming some of your crafted stuff too

Honestly thats a high investment in crests but if you were late to the season I can see the rationale

[rancid hare]

whats ur guys take on rampaging ruin? i simmed it and saw over 5 targets it scales linearly with higher target counts and very little loss in single target. but im no expert at simming, just curious

[tepid beacon]

ty for the advice!

[olive wraith]

Not worth imo. You lose out on prio damage which slayer is generally chosen for

[edgy widget]

I don't often see prio damage cited as a concern, but the real annoyance with Rampaging Ruin is that several dungeons either have multitarget bosses or don't have particularly high target pulls

• like Skyreach bosses are mostly single target, but the trash pulls aren't all that big
• Pit has big pulls, but its bosses feature more multitarget
• Windrunner, Caverns, Magisters, and Seat all have big cleave bosses
  Which really just leaves Algeth'ar and NPX

which isn't to say you couldn't still run Ruin on something like Magister's and just eat the small loss on Gemellus, since what you gain on trash is going to make up for it, most players just don't bother. If Slayer were the frontrunner, then we'd probably see more players experimenting with it though

[lean nacelle]

if you were to run Ruin, what talent would you give up for it?

[edgy widget]

last time I checked, either Massacre or Cruelty were the best drops, though that might have changed slightly with the recent tuning

Scent of Blood is probably up there as well, since BT has been getting devalued in AoE

[olive crane]

whos bigger, fury or arms

[rancid hare]

maybe i misunderstood ruin as a talent. i read it as "do less rampage direct dmg but make it uncapped in a cone" this isnt true?

[stoic loom]

just applied to 19s for literally 45mins, didnt get a single invite xd im 4/8 19s timed lmao

[trim moon]

simmed at 100k "perfect rotation" but cant seem to break past 65k steady "minus tapering off of opener" - Single Target Slayer build

[edgy widget]

yes, Rampaging Ruin deals something like 40%(?) less damage but hits more targets

and it breakpoints around 6 targets, so if you're hitting only 2-3, then Ruin is worse than the normal Rampage (that you can't use anymore)

[opaque mortar]

Did you check buffs for sims? You can turn off raid buffs, just have on battleshout and sim that. Probably better comp if you're just single targeting on a dummy

[trim moon]

thx bro

that worked

im in line

[opaque mortar]

Happened to me two weeks ago or so. Thought I was really screwing up rotation somewhere

[spiral ridge]

Lowkey would be sick if we could just choose to use either rampage if it was talented 🤷‍♂️

[olive wraith]

At that point it’s a different button so kinda defeats the purpose no?

[spiral ridge]

I am okay with that 👍

[olive wraith]

I’d prefer not to go the pally route

[random shadow]

Become a filthy pally?

[olive wraith]

Having an st spender and an aoe spender

[random shadow]

They pump tho

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t mean I want the same playstyle

[spiral ridge]

I honestly never understood why they never did anything more with our spender

[olive wraith]

We pumped last season without an aoe spender

[earnest tree]

If I cant get my hands on a myth track raid trinket. Is Solarflare prism a good alternate?

[spiral ridge]

I guess apex but.. that's boring af

[random shadow]

I think it would be prism and box

Or wind instead of box

Should try to pug mythic dreamrift very doable

[earnest tree]

hahaha I've been trying. Hard to get in without CE already

Ill keep going and just run for prism on mondays if I cant get a kill

[opaque mortar]

What's the argument for MT over slurry on Vor? Just extra pad on the little bugs?

[red berry]

idk making it so ruin works rampage on main target and in 2-5 target cleave isn’t a lot to ask I think

it certainly makes it stronger

but that’s not gonna happen anyway

[olive wraith]

We don’t need it. Delete

[astral moss]

Any tips on mythic Salhadaar prog? I'm playing thane and feel like I'm just running around frantically and feeling pretty useless.

[edgy widget]

Sit on boss and clap when things are nearby

If you wanna scum, leap out into a group of little adds and clap them early

[astral moss]

Thanks. Sitting boss and clapping is basically what I'm doing.

Feels like it's really hectic for everyone else.

[warm crag]

i also sit out on bosses and clap when they kill it

@gleaming siren real?

[smoky vale]

did lura die

or

@warm crag

[warm crag]

ye

[stoic echo]

Guys who is ready to pad

[hot shell]

U a pad enjoyer now ?

[random shadow]

padding is alaways the way to go unless otherwise

[stoic echo]

In raid I prefer fury

Arms often feels too sluggish for raid

[still silo]

in raid, you reckon slayer or thane? i ran slayer tonight and it just felt meh in any MT fight compared to the explosive power of thane

[opaque mortar]

I think MT is the recc for everything except crown and falls.
Could see slayer in something like Vor personally but

[still silo]

yeah tbh slayer felt really good at vorasius

seen as though i jump off adds once one dies as im not standing waiting for the pool to explode

[willow delta]

Do what I do
Apply as arms
Talent swap during countdown

In 19s myself and it works

[stoic loom]

im literally doing that right now

and still no invites

might be cooked

[willow delta]

[stoic loom]

literally in prison

[willow delta]

Might be your toon name and or raid parses

Or just luck

[toxic plank]

hello quick Q weapon enchant i looking on murlok io and some plays mastery some haste some crit and for mesims tells me mastery strenght

[stoic loom]

hopefully not the raid parses lol

and probs not my name either xd

swear i got more invites when i was 0/8 19s timed lol

somehow

[willow delta]

Yeah those slap hard dude nice

[worn rain]

due to diminishing return enchants can fluctuate in value

trust robot

[toxic plank]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5u4kSvtbuachRUsmhKUaRn

[random shadow]

good ol 10t 1 min sims

[still silo]

i still cant believe we are clicking whirlwind at 2 targets over RB lol, cant remember the last time ive seen this

[toxic plank]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f6jEtjowTLjGA2NvoAHo8n

but forgotet to switch to raid talents

[worn rain]

ok what do you want?

[languid willow]

Yea at that point I did my own key perma now I’m doing the same with my 20s just push my key a pray

[stoic loom]

the last 3 times i tried to push my key multiple people died in the first pull

[languid willow]

Yea same I think I have a ss in my guildI’ve depleted 22 20s this week

But throw enough at the wall and they’ll stick

I think I fucked up 3 of them myself but it happens

[last crown]

can someone link me a good slayer build for M+

[languid willow]

Noxiv has one in his stream he was using yesterday

[olive wraith]

Here #dps-faq

[languid willow]

But the more you run your own key the more practice you get and you just feel more confident in every pull

It’s worth it imo

Even if it doesn’t feel like you’re getting anywhere

[last crown]

thank you!!!

[stoic loom]

problem is doing the resilient homework

and the fact that it most likely wont get 1shot

[languid willow]

I mean yea I get it

Just something you gotta deal with not being mega meta

How do your m+ parses look ?

They could be looking at those too

[random shadow]

people look at m+ parses?

[steady shale]

Myth Chim prog. Thane or Slayer? I would think slayer for more st right since adds don't last super long.

[languid willow]

Not a lot but some people I’ve pugged with do

[languid willow]

Thane

[steady shale]

tyty

[stoic loom]

they're fine

and nobody is looking at m+ parses xd

[still silo]

whichever your better at really

[languid willow]

You’d be surprised

[stoic loom]

Dont think i want to play with people who are looking at m+ parses xd

[winged torrent]

while simming for m+ should i put patchwerk 1 boss or 5 bosses orr?

[languid willow]

I just do 1

[still silo]

a mixture of sims really, different lenghts different pack size if you really wanna go in depth with it

[olive wraith]

Do both and compare

[winged torrent]

aight ty

[still silo]

generally, you will be good with 2 sims

ST and 5 target MT

[idle heart]

doing m 18 and +19s as thane how is slayer atm?

thinking about switching

[still silo]

noxiv has gone back to slayer

so good

[olive wraith]

Worse aoe better st

Don’t base your choice on that god

Dude was playing slayer tww :
s2

[still silo]

true lol

but still

slayer is good tbf

feels weird pressing WW on 2 target AoE over RB though

i keep messing that up

[rotund ginkgo]

SLARMS ON TOP

https://tenor.com/view/mortal-strike-terry-crews-wo-w-warrior-gif-18597900

https://tenor.com/view/armswarrior-warrior-warriorwow-armswow-armswarriorwow-gif-27099127

[olive wraith]

[opaque mortar]

O.o

I know thats aoe rotato, but it literally is a gain at 2 targets?

[still silo]

its what noxiv is doing in his keys

as soon as its 2 targets he prios WW over RB

[rotund ginkgo]

Rb just sucks so much dick

So sad

[still silo]

not sure if its fully correct but if noxiv is doing it im sure its good

[rotund ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-massacre-sad-gif-16810633

[winter shoal]

2t you still RB over WW

3-5 is the inflection point depending on whether you have meat cleaver

[still silo]

then why is noxiv slamming WW only at 2 targets

[sullen dove]

cuz he wants to do 5 less dps instead of 5 more dps

not really significant

[still silo]

seems weird

[winter shoal]

(all with meat cleaver)
2t https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qUefstSnUaA71fs7KEVGA3
3t https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2fwB78VhpvU4jtHNtG9WZg
5t https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x6gYtjYT1hCuKUtzZVSLRF
8t https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xwYRWYhuUBaArx2Yq7DHkY

Yeah we're talking a difference of 0.3% dps

[still silo]

oh okay

[rancid crag]

Bro pulled up with receipts

[still silo]

its really that minimal

my poor RB

[winter shoal]

Big critical thinking doesn't want you to know that you can fact check things for yourself to gain a better understanding of your class

[rancid crag]

Had to shut that noxiv glazer you real for that

[still silo]

nah noxiv glazing is totally fine

the guys a god

[winter shoal]

Noxiv is one of the best warriors to ever do it

No shame in glazing

[rancid crag]

He is

[winter shoal]

Just providing some nuance and context to the discussion

[rancid crag]

But it was kinda funny noxiv this noxiv that

[winter shoal]

Things are rarely so black and white

[still silo]

generally because i watch noxiv a lot and just learn from him really

but if the sims show the sims show

[rotund ginkgo]

Because it's probs easier to press ww and rb feels dogshit to press

[rancid crag]

I understand bro im messing with you

[still silo]

trueeeeeeeeeeeeeee

no charges

fun noise