fury

[rotund ginkgo]

but yeah its cuz of what swordish said

[edgy widget]

technically the highest iteration of your sim was 98k

that number you see is just the mean

[rotund ginkgo]

well, sure, but i meant on the amount of iterations shown

that one is like 91k

i hovered 93 before i stopped the timer

[sullen dove]

it just was the level thing yeah

or consumes

[rotund ginkgo]

na

just level

had no consumes

[edgy widget]

my point was that, even aside from this levels issue, performing above the sim average is not impossible

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah but that wasnt the sim average

id be fine having an iteration thats slightly higher

happens

[edgy widget]

no, the sim average was 76k

but you said you did 90, which is still within the sim range

[sullen dove]

like a 1 in 10000 or something it seems by that std graph

but yea maybe

[edgy widget]

so even if you were fighting a correct dummy, it is completely possible for you to perform over 76k

[rotund ginkgo]

but i also know im not good enough to score a 90 and that the 2min run i had was not insane

[edgy widget]

even if it's not particularly usual

[rotund ginkgo]

like, i didnt get any massive procs

if it was, id know

thats why ic ame here to ask

cuz it was a completely average 2min

[edgy widget]

I mean most of that is just from crit rng, more so than procs

[rotund ginkgo]

although

is it only a tuskar training bag thing?

[edgy widget]

but again I understand that wasn't the issue in this case, I'm just telling you that your sim number is not necessarily an expectated amount of performance from pull to pull

[rotund ginkgo]

turnip damage seemed appropriate

[smoky vale]

@bitter palm

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah, i know that

[smoky vale]

tun

e

[bitter palm]

@smoky vale

[sullen dove]

is turnip not scaled to your lvl or somethin

[smoky vale]

in

[rotund ginkgo]

thats why i just asked

[sullen dove]

idk dont have one

[bitter palm]

ok

[rotund ginkgo]

if turnip is scaled

[bitter palm]

im wathcing

[sullen dove]

where are you fighting a tuskarr training dummy anyway btw

like are you just out in iskaara or something

testing dps

[sleek owl]

How do the buffs feel for the boyos?

[sullen dove]

or is that another toy

[edgy widget]

I think there's a toy for it

[sudden tusk]

there is a toy ya

[woven valley]

i went from bottom dps to top 4 or 5 on most fights in raid

so theres that

[dawn dawn]

feels good to me. slayer fury in m+ is just more fun than thane

[woven valley]

the only issue slayer has now is the horrid desync for cds being built in

[sullen dove]

idk bout top 4 or 5

but pretty decently middle yea

oh you did you mean

yea

epic B)

[dawn dawn]

do u guys reckon they fucked up the hero talent allocations and just never undid it?

• arms uses thunderclap to spread bleeds since MoP

• prot uses thunderclap since forever

• fury never did.

• colossal using demolish seems exactly what 2 2hers should do...

like how did we end up with Thane fury

[woven valley]

i meant in my raid lol not for everyone

[edgy widget]

I don't think Demolish feels like a dual wield ability at all

[woven valley]

but yeah its a nice buff

[neat gazelle]

this is gunna sound so nooby but

[rotund ginkgo]

ye js placed it in eversong woods

[neat gazelle]

is charge and interrupt?

[edgy widget]

first and foremost, Demolish is just Fyr'alath 2.0

[dawn dawn]

well even if so, explain thunderclap to me!

[sullen dove]

no

root

maybe a stun if that pvp talent still exists in pvp

[young swan]

one could make the argument that fury always should have had thunderclap as a core ability to refer back to the mountain king from warcraft

[sullen dove]

and not all mobs can be rooted

[neat gazelle]

how far is the pummel? have any distance at all or do you have to be basically touching them lol @sullen dove

[sullen dove]

yea i mean relatively melee range

[rotund ginkgo]

melee range

[neat gazelle]

arms length? xD

[edgy widget]

what about thunder clap? Thane is just WC3 Mountain King

[dawn dawn]

actually would be dope if the spec was based around stormbolt or something lol.

[sullen dove]

like same range as all your other dmging spells probably

[rotund ginkgo]

the same range as your other abilities

[sullen dove]

you can take javelineer to make wrecking throw a kick though

dont think works on every kind of mob but most of them

[woven valley]

sadly it doesnt give you the damage buff for interupting though

which bothers me

[sullen tendon]

thane is barely mountain king

[rotund ginkgo]

cuz it isnt an interrupt

its a silence

[sullen dove]

silence dn

[dawn dawn]

nice

[sullen dove]

but yea small difference

[rotund ginkgo]

mob cant be cced = mob isnt silenced = mob isnt kicked

[supple glen]

what if i dont do the spark weekly, do i get two next week

[rotund ginkgo]

yes

u can get them retroactively

[supple glen]

ty

[edgy widget]

I mean it has all the same abilities, but whether you think it is or not, that's clearly where the inspiration comes from

[sullen tendon]

i wont argue with that

jsut doesnt live up to it

[edgy widget]

that's a matter of opinion

[sullen tendon]

having a little bit of extra lighting from thunder clap barely portrays the mountain king fantasy

[edgy widget]

depends on what you consider the mountain king fantasy

[north edge]

what was the wc3 mountain king abilities? Bolt, Tclap and Avatar?

[upbeat creek]

ya every time we stormbolt 4 footies should surround a mob and beat its ass

[edgy widget]

but it's a dual wielder (for fury at least), which has bonuses to avatar, clap, and storm bolt

[sullen dove]

need the screen to flash black and gray from lightning like this

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-40123618314459872

[edgy widget]

which is literally everything mking does

[north edge]

What’s the other one

[young swan]

need them to make stormbolt do fuck off damage again

[sullen dove]

using utility for dmg shockwave moment

[young swan]

actually, thane should just get an extra ability that does fuck off damage and fills the role of old mop stormbolt

like demolish but for thane

would be beast mode

[edgy widget]

it was cool, but had a lot of issues in practice

cause you end up in situations where you wanna use it for dam, but the target isn't stun immune so it does nothing

[fickle dirge]

I would love if thane got something like a lightning aura around them striking and flashin or something when avatar is active

[young swan]

would be doubly bad with dungeons being so much more prevalent as end game content

[edgy widget]

that actually does happen a little bit when you first activate avatar, but it doesn't last nearly long enough

[edgy widget]

yup

like it's a cool idea, it just doesn't work as cleanly as it sounds, it was actually a very common problem back in MoP

[bitter palm]

make tc drop storm bolts like ret does with templar

[edgy widget]

you could just as easily replace it with some other concept though

[young swan]

which is why they should do this instead (remove the stun function make it just hugely damage)

[bitter palm]

big hammers dropping

[north edge]

I want ancient aftershock back instead of shockwave

[edgy widget]

but then you gotta ask, does Thane really need an extra keybind that Slayer doedsn't have?

that's already an issue for Colossus

[north edge]

That ministun while in the puddle would be so useful

[edgy widget]

and Warrior is largely considered one of the more button-laden classes atm

[wind ether]

you can use storm bolt in bladestorm so that’s free real estate globals

[sullen dove]

can odyns please give us 4stack ww yet

sick of it not

[rugged cedar]

It should only do big dam if the target is stun immune!

[sullen dove]

the simplest qol from titanic rage

[sullen tendon]

i think im just kinda tired of them trying to build identities off of generic abilities rather than special ones. Like mountain thane should have chain lightnings that fire off from abilities but the ydont becuase its a shaman ability even tho if fits perfectly. Colapsing star is a good example of an ability wit ha good identity that devoureres will be known for. its a big giant ability that you know hurts when its casted. Primoridal storm is a great example of a new ability that could be an inconic one for enhance but they still ahve to cast chain lighting a lot. What im saying is some specs should just get similar things. Like rogues should be able to have a two hadned sowrd or something and be a katana wielding ninja or something. Theres lots of abilites and identities that could go good together but blizzard jsut never wants to mix them.

[north edge]

Thinking back, shadowlands was really fun

All 4 of our covenants was played for various parts of game

[edgy widget]

idk I don't really agree with this

[sullen tendon]

survival is the lost and found bin

[edgy widget]

that sounds waaaay too Shaman coded for Warrior

[sullen tendon]

survival jsut get sall the leftovers of what the other classes dont want

[bitter palm]

same

[edgy widget]

I get why, subjectively, you might like the idea, but I definitely don't think it's as obvious as you believe

[sullen tendon]

then why dont shamans get thunder clap

[wind ether]

thane does kind of have an identity

we deal storm strike and nature damage

it’s our only damage that ignores armo

armor

bosses have armor

some mobs have a bit too

[soft pine]

woohooo

[sullen tendon]

there sjust os many things blizzard could do to actually focus on identiy of classes but they keep trying to shoe horn in some classic shit

[young swan]

that doesnt matter at all

[sullen tendon]

like why the fuck do we need slam and rend

[young swan]

purely thematic

[sullen tendon]

we dont

[wind ether]

it does in pvp

[sullen tendon]

its jsut a leftover thing they never got rid of

[wind ether]

you can do it while disarmed and damage a bopped paladin

[sullen tendon]

or wanted ot birng back and didnt work out

Bladestorm is ageret ability and its iconic but in the modern day it isnt as flash as it used to be comparatively

[bitter palm]

pvp

is not real

[sullen tendon]

Now eveyr class has a gigantic aoe spinning vortex thing

[edgy widget]

How is this a response to anything I just said?

for one thing, Thunder Clap isn't even inherently an elemental attack

[sullen tendon]

it litearlyl summons lightning

[edgy widget]

no it doesn't

Thane does that

[sullen tendon]

with moutnian thane?

[edgy widget]

that's not a default aspect of Thunder Clap

[sullen tendon]

also theres glyphs

[sudden tusk]

Thanes new talent changes stormbolt to BoltStorm you throw 35 Stormbolts at your target channeling your inner falstad wildhammer

[sullen tendon]

that give it lightning

[young swan]

BEAST MODE

[edgy widget]

again, not an inherent effect

[young swan]

SHIP IT

[wind ether]

bosses have armor too actually

[edgy widget]

there are glyphs that add fire to charge, but we're not mages either

[young swan]

but again it doesnt matter cause it just gets tuned around

[sullen tendon]

we should be

we should be fire warriors

[wind ether]

true

[sullen tendon]

burning wounds

[wind ether]

but tclap doesn’t do this for slayer

[sullen tendon]

fire tornado bladestorms

burning blade hero spec

[young swan]

no but slayer doesnt use tclap

[wind ether]

but they could

[sullen tendon]

but they wont do that

[quasi fractal]

if i wanted to play mage id play mage im hittin shit with sticks

[fickle dirge]

Can I be a spinning death machine already? I want RtS proccing on my every single global thanks in advance!

[sullen tendon]

because they lack creativity

[brittle crow]

convoke the storm

[young swan]

you "could" make a build that never presses rampage

but you wont

cause its dumb and bad

[sullen tendon]

and want to appeal to the older playerbase by saying " hey look its just like classic your familiar abilites form 20 years ago"

[young swan]

tclap has a rage cost if you arent thane

[wind ether]

you don’t even need to talent into rampage

[edgy widget]

again, that's a matter of opinion, but that's not the modern theme of Warriors in WoW

[brittle crow]

shame we can't get ignore pain as a spender

[young swan]

i do agree with bobby to an extent that warrior could really use some cooler animations on stuff, maybe that just comes down to giving us a new shiny ability with a cool animation

[edgy widget]

I agree with that

[wind ether]

i think warrior is a physical brawler archetype

[brittle crow]

last time they tried that we got the colossus smash rework

lol

and everybody hated it

[edgy widget]

I have no problem with adding more optional cosmetic customization

but saying "Warriors should be fire based, lightning based, whatever based pseudo-shaman" is a big stretch

with no real argument behind it other than "I think it's cool"

which is completely fine - it's cool, I think so too - but it's not an argument

[wind ether]

chris metzen would not like this

[sullen tendon]

have some creativity man

[edgy widget]

have some objectivity, man

[sullen tendon]

yes things exist

congratulations

you figured it out

things are currently how they are

amazing

[edgy widget]

ok you know what

[young swan]

my only argument for fire/lava stuff is that we had a whole ass tribe of dragonslaying giants based on warring culture and somehow warrior isnt allowed to learn from them for some reason

[edgy widget]

you're kind of a douchebag, and I'm tired of talking to you

[tired oxide]

[sullen dove]

cuz they racist to anything thats not other big giant lava men

[wind ether]

i could see a ranged warrior in the same vein as survival hunter, using those big seige balista fire bombs like in the wod cinematic

[young swan]

yeah but we made friends with one of them

[wind ether]

that would be lore accurate

[young swan]

if u did the quest

[sullen dove]

like oooone i guess

[edgy widget]

I'm not wasting time talking to someone who can't have a rational adult conversation

[brittle crow]

the last time you said that to me i got kicked not muted

justice isn't blind

[edgy widget]

I'm trying to be nicer to people who don't deserve it

[neat gazelle]

for someone who just hit 90, where should i use my bonus rolls first which dungeons?

[brittle crow]

wtf...

new leaf?

[edgy widget]

same leaf, more tolerance

[mystic dome]

the dungeons that are +10

[brittle crow]

magisters terrace is a good one

there's a website for this

[woven valley]

at least archi talks to people like people

[brittle crow]

void core planner just google it

[woven valley]

ive seen other disc people just go off on ego trips

[tired oxide]

people can have opinion, just don't force them to others

[edgy widget]

I mean I try to, but too many people are giant babies who can't stand to have their ideas questioned

[bitter palm]

just need more weight behind rotational spells imo

[woven valley]

yeah that happens a lot online and especially when it comes to the wow community haha

[quasi fractal]

what do you mean, throwing shaman aesthetics onto warrior is novel and very creative

[bitter palm]

like cleave on arms

[quasi fractal]

and definitely makes sense

[bitter palm]

looks like a tiny swing

cant expect to be giga flashy

[quasi fractal]

i think a lot of it is just what race you play

[bitter palm]

when u are a guy with 2 swords

or 1 sword

[quasi fractal]

i like panda animations for rampage and stuff

[woven valley]

i mean mountain king has been a thing since forever and has had the same aesthetic since its inception

[hot shell]

Are we inhouse fighting again

[quasi fractal]

more of a tussel

[quasi fractal]

yeah but buddy was just wanting to throw every element under the sun onto us like that makes sense

[charred path]

I mean, since we're speaking about thematics, Arms feels really quick for a spec designed around big ass 2 hand weapons. Fury actually does seem pretty on point thematically at least in that it's really fast and dual-wields.

[edgy widget]

again though, that's not a problem - everyone has a different subjective taste and creative desire

but resorting to insults because other people don't agree with your subjective desires is petty and childish

[quasi fractal]

i dont have a problem with them leaning into the mountain thane thing a bit more on the thunder side since thats the way they want to go

[woven valley]

i mean imo warrior hero talents are pretty bland when it comes to style. thane is the most iconic of the 3 from the past. and slayer is honestly just...warrior with more strikes lol

[hot shell]

We literally have 6 different playstyles available with the same "base" mechanic

Why we fighting

Can we go back to hating dhs

[quasi fractal]

but just throwing fire and stuff on top of it just doesnt even make sense, i think you can have that opinion and just factually be wrong.

[young swan]

I think colossus is probably the best in terms of fulfilling the fantasy

demolish is fucking sick

[woven valley]

what fire?

[hot shell]

WHAT fantasy

[tired oxide]

idk man last i check arcane intellect doesn't buff warrior

[quasi fractal]

buddy wanted like flaming tornado spins and stuff idk

[bitter palm]

hello im big and i hit hard

fantasy

[quasi fractal]

whoop wrong message

[young swan]

hit thing fuck hard

[hot shell]

A dualwielding Berserker is absolutely not colossus

[edgy widget]

big weapon

[woven valley]

OH i hadnt seen that. i was confused lol

[bitter palm]

slayer least imo

[quasi fractal]

i think warrior is easily the hardest one to do it on since its literaly jsut guy with sword

[bitter palm]

imo slayer is like

[quasi fractal]

or two

[bitter palm]

on crack

[woven valley]

i mean there are many types of warriors from different cultures in wow

[bitter palm]

blood crazed fast hits etc

[young swan]

slayer for fury fucking sucks this xpac

imo

[woven valley]

just look at troll headhunters

[quasi fractal]

i think most of warrior is really the sfx design

[hot shell]

No it doesnt

[quasi fractal]

do the abilities sound like they hit like trucks or do they sound whimpy

[hot shell]

What are u talking about

[young swan]

like the whole bit is hit really fast and spin a lot but you only spin once every minute

beast mode!

[bitter palm]

tww s3....

[young swan]

its better for arms but arms bs last way too goddamn long

[hot shell]

If youre hating waeeior since.... forever.. why are u still here

[bitter palm]

the manaforge 2p would make slayer so much better

[fickle dirge]

I want to revisit my earlier message for this exact moment please

[woven valley]

i still want a warrior spec thats about throwing axes and bleeds. and maybe even some poisons. zul'jin the spec lol but thats more rogueish and i know it

[young swan]

i dont hate warrior, im just not shy about voicing my dissatisfaction with blizzards ineptitude

[modest condor]

sounds more like a rogue or a hunter spec

[woven valley]

yeah i know

[night marlin]

Add in javelin, Spears, and daggers and I'm sold

[woven valley]

i just love troll culture and zul'jin has always been portrayed as a warrior

[hot shell]

Oh boy, you will love baldurs gate 3

[woven valley]

i have in fact played many playthroughs lol

[hot shell]

Warrior as a fantasy is a dude in big armor and one, or two, big weapons, bashing the enemies face in.

If there was a ranged warrior specc, it is not warrior

[woven valley]

i disagree. warriors throughout history have had many forms of fighting. ive always viewed warriors as an everyman. using whatever they have at hand to fight and make due on the battlefield. martial masters. raging beserkers. so many different forms

but in wow yeah

its always been hit hard fast and yell a lot

[hot shell]

What youre describing is more of an underground mma fighter than an warrior.
Warrior is all about honor

[quasi fractal]

combat rogue

i always thought arms should have more weapons at their disposal

a master of amrs

idk they figured it out for outlaw to use guns while being melee

[hot shell]

Imagine pulling out different weapons based on the ability used on arms

[quasi fractal]

but arms just uses one weapon the whole time

[woven valley]

i will say warrior having 4 weapons like barbs in d4 on paper is cool but god it would be unholy hell trying to get those weapons

[edgy widget]

one of the benefits and issues with Warriors in WoW is that its a very broad fantasy and everyone has their own interpretation of it

• for some people, it's that hulking knight in heavy armor
• for others, it's that fast raging whirlwind of a berserker
• or something else completely

[hot shell]

Colossus smash? Big mace
Cleave? Axe
Heroic strike? Sword

[hot shell]

Remember when we equipped guns or throwing knifes for secondary stats

[quasi fractal]

needing on hunter weapons to give them a taste of it

lovely

[woven valley]

yeah i agree with this. i feel like a "warrior" can be just about anything as it depends on culture but thats a whole other convo

its a very blank slate in wow for the most part

hero talents did add some much needed flavor

[hot shell]

Speaking of

[woven valley]

i love thane thematically

[hot shell]

Where is melee mage, aka spellsword

[edgy widget]

exactly, but every other class has a much more specific fantasy

so Warrior is really an odd one out in that regard

I guess Rogue also kind of leans that way to a degree

[quasi fractal]

i still hate aug for ruining my bannerlord warrior fantasy

[quaint gazelle]

today i was going to bonus roll gaze and i got another boots, same of last week, why did it happened?

[quasi fractal]

did you roll in different specs?

[hot shell]

I see rogues in 3 different ways

1. The stealthy ones with bombs
2. The stealthy one with poisons
3. The pirate

[quasi fractal]

maybe could be that

or just bugged again for funsies

everyone spend your rerolls quick if so

[olive wraith]

I wouldn’t even consider a pirate as a rogue in your average fantasy setting

[quasi fractal]

🤪

[edgy widget]

making outlaw more piratey has certainly helped, I'm just saying you can at least partially make a similar arguement for Rogue, as there is some overlap in their characterizations

[sullen dove]

is one of them not a catalyzed boot that has same model from somewhere else than chimerus?

[quaint gazelle]

i rolleddd in prot, did i trolled myself?

[sullen dove]

no rolling in prot shouldve been correct

[quasi fractal]

no prot rolling is smart

[undone flower]

To me sub is just ninja rogue

[sullen dove]

but question is unsure if prot vs fury is 2 different loot pools

[edgy widget]

I'm p sure the knockout list is not spec specific

[sullen dove]

i would assume not though

[woven valley]

i personally think warrior needs some heavy changes to give it some more flavor but, and this is a huge but, i doubt that will ever happen especially now that hero talents are a mainstay

[sullen dove]

this is 2 of the same difficulty as well right

[quasi fractal]

im bout to roll chimmy again we'll see if i get the same as any of my last 2

[sullen dove]

not heroic vs mythic

try swap specs see if the pool grows/shrinks before you roll

[quaint gazelle]

i rolled 2 first times on fury, and this time in prot, got the tier, boots, and again boots

[hot shell]

Well, if we base classes on how everyone Sees their fantasy there would be no end to speccs. Im just happy personally that warrior still is a "charge in face, smash in face" playstyle with whatever you chose

[sullen dove]

(then roll as the correct one ofc)

[woven valley]

the flavor is what it is atm and will be this way until the end of the worldsoul saga most likely

[olive wraith]

They need to make up their minds with what they want warriors to be

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-for-azeroth-world-of-warcraft-gif-12331169

[edgy widget]

to be fair, I don't think it's really that major of a problem

[undone flower]

Warrior is already the best class in the game

[quasi fractal]

its the best because i like it

[hot shell]

Finally something we agree on

I just think that hero Talent trees Kind of killed the class identity, youre either heavily leaning towards A or B and cant mix and match how you prefer it

[quasi fractal]

i think once they made them spec specific trees they already kinda killed that

[undone flower]

Idk I think hero talents are good for spec identity

[woven valley]

im fine with warrior so long as they make odyns good

i loved odyns in legion lol

[quasi fractal]

i miss odyns doing a mini avatar

[hot shell]

It just turned "arms vs fury" into "thunderclap vs worse aoe but better st vs aoe colossus vs slayer arms"

[edgy widget]

I miss Odyn's triggering Whirlwind tbh

[undone flower]

Ah tuning

[woven valley]

real and true

[bitter palm]

100%

[edgy widget]

it was never a particularly strong effect, it was just a useful one

[bitter palm]

allows them to explore more identities

which is always cool

[woven valley]

just kept you from having to waste a gcd during cds

any wasted gcd is a bad one

[undone flower]

Mixing both things -> it’s the thing that kills identity bc ?????

[quasi fractal]

heavy agree on that one

feels really dumb to odyns and then whirlwind right after

[bitter palm]

ye

bad qol

[quasi fractal]

at least they made whirlwind put rend on

you know how stupid i felt rending then odyns furying then whirlwinding

dizzy irl

thats the one thing i think thane has on slayer by a lot

i hate rend

[woven valley]

too many buttons doing the same thing

the worst thing ever in wow

[edgy widget]

Whirlwind first!

[edgy widget]

absolutely

[bitter palm]

i think theyve done this really well with warriors

colossus is slow big hard hitting

[undone flower]

I like our hero talents, all 3

[bitter palm]

slayer is relentless

thane is mountain kings or w/e from warcraft

[undone flower]

Thane is just odyn warrior

[wind ether]

we might have more archetypes if our hero tree was a tree and not just a you must take everything and work with it

[undone flower]

Which I like, slightly magic warrior

[woven valley]

i mean id be down with a mystic warrior that uses tribal/ancient magics to imbue their weapons and such

https://tenor.com/view/dragons-dogma-capcom-oneshot-one-punch-warrior-gif-17300411

[slim coral]

that's basically enhancement

[woven valley]

or this

big bonk

[bitter palm]

demolish

[woven valley]

sadly demolish is not one big bonk

its like 3

i desire the one perfect bonk to end all bonks

[slim coral]

they should just give rashok animations

shadowflame type shit

[quasi fractal]

while right i still feel just as dumb doing it

[unborn delta]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1282225040506617858/1314268061125050378/caption.gif

[winter shoal]

this gif is very schmidi coded

[undone flower]

It’s one of my wish, reck animation being shadowflame weapons

• few sec remaining slash traces

[brittle crow]

i didnt expect archi to be the one to write a lore writeup

i assumed he was the lore agnostic type

[candid falcon]

yo what eversong diamond are we using

[keen kindle]

For fury I'd go primary stat

But realistically sim it

[indigo arch]

indecipherable w/e

raw primary gem

[edgy widget]

the +crit dam one is catching up and will probably take over by next tier

[candid falcon]

thanks all

[quaint gazelle]

I just put a ticket, do i have any chance to get help from Blizzard about a douplicated bonus roll? Does any1 has the same issue?
I'm just so upset rn

[lean heart]

lets goo

[woven valley]

No. They already “helped” everyone by giving 2 bonus bonus rolls for those that rolled before the fix happened

So you will not be helped more than that

[odd vapor]

whats trhe addon for Lura called?

the puzzle game

[neat gazelle]

i know people will say sim, but is crit good for fury in mythic + or is it 3rd behind mastery like wowhead says?

[woven valley]

All stats are good (except vers) sim yourself to see if the item will be number go up or down

[dense elbow]

You knew the answer, good. Crit is good when it is good

[neat gazelle]

i just got this for my first myth piece but not sure its the best for fury but better than what i had lmao

[dense elbow]

It is solid, also neat if you go arms/prot

[neat gazelle]

ok well solid is good enough for now lol

[woven valley]

If number go up on sim use it absolutely, but yeah there are better necks for fury but it’s the one off Lura so not really readily available

[neat gazelle]

thanks, azzy!

[woven valley]

Anytime friendo, happy to help out fellow Zug bois

[neat gazelle]

been awhile since i played so making my way back haha

[woven valley]

It’s a good time to relearn the game

With all The changes everyone is learning

[reef cape]

anyone been having any greater success on slayer? i havent tried it yet in fear of griefing a key

[placid palm]

As much as I hate rend, ain't no way I'm not taking enraged regen whenever I can.

[undone flower]

i take ER on alleria/beloren

[brittle crow]

im in a heal absorb group on paladins, apparently

i guess i need to take it then

[undone flower]

oh yeah paladins i would take it, if i played fury on it

[brittle crow]

i saw officers in a voice chat so i joined and they were like

oh, ur not stupid and can heal?

[undone flower]

you have a shield on you -> you press it

[brittle crow]

this is ur job now

[undone flower]

i was in absorb group first but it was very sketchy with tank/boss move + arms gaming

so i asked to not be in the official absorb group

[timid tide]

ER is a must on the paladins. Ran 10 man heroic and wa sin the absorb group, so had to talent into it, otherwise the two healers were having a hard time

[clever mural]

Slayer totally works for m+ right? 🧐

-If my comp needs more boss dmg

[thin niche]

I would say so, reached 3300io primarily playing slayer before the update. 3400 currently still slaying away. Though I don’t log keys either so there’s that

[sullen dove]

@fleet sorrel john pork nearing end of penacony

https://tenor.com/view/amor-gif-10758667656717415642

[fleet sorrel]

wow hes speedrunning

[sullen dove]

truke

[fleet sorrel]

silver wolf technique during the story is op

new gens have it too easy

[sullen dove]

yeap

and free max lvl 30 subs artifact set

just like 2tap all story bosses

i wiped to sunday boss actually like 10 times

on my playthru like 2 years ago

[fleet sorrel]

lmao

[sullen dove]

upgraded equilibrium level at the worst time possible

fucker farmed me for like 2 hours

had to play like 2 healers and clara or something

[fleet sorrel]

ive wiped a few times to random stuff cause i have herta for exploring and dont change the team

[sullen dove]

yea

[fleet sorrel]

did he get currency wars

[sullen dove]

dont think yet

but been filling points with simulated universe

the 3 year old shit

blud sent a screenshot of gold and gears or something 😭

i never maxed it and probably never will

[fleet sorrel]

yeah dont think i did that

one of the only things i havent done

[sullen dove]

been exploring ampho more realizing i didnt do much in it but story

[fleet sorrel]

he should enjoy that

[sullen dove]

cleared like 4 zones of chests and nymphs

yea cant wait to goon on those streams

there is quite a lot of yap

but worth it

[smoky vale]

@fleet sorrel i beat big lady and got a weapon for castorice

im up big

[fleet sorrel]

beast mode

[smoky vale]

i was speedrunning china to get as many gems before the banner went away

[sullen dove]

u still got a week

[smoky vale]

but now i can chill bill and get the stuff i skipped

[languid willow]

If you want a banger neck for fury there is one from the PvP quest guy next to the weekly quest giver in silvermoon it has great stats

[smoky vale]

i mean theres nothing else id pull for

no?

[sullen dove]

yea prolly not

[smoky vale]

its just save for anything new / reruns for rememberance

[sullen dove]

unless u want a 2nd real dps

but ye

can just make 1 team better for now ig

[smoky vale]

i could go acheron and huohuo or sum

thats what my friend was saying

and then get the new blade

[sullen dove]

k never say huohuo again

maybe they work together tho acheron and blade idk

acheron still some ass but like she gotta be due for a buff

[smoky vale]

whats bros name then

[sullen dove]

no huohuo is a character just like

random healer that does nothing

vs 2 epic supports

[smoky vale]

i mean what else am i picking from that shit

[sullen dove]

robin or ruan mei kinda goated

[smoky vale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404622059853582357/1501801606465982635/image.png?ex=69fd653d&is=69fc13bd&hm=5a35b4dfb60f2e2c666d246ad6deed5773990839cc21689d59760c77e9e3bd60&

why what do they do

[sullen dove]

robin buff attack/dmg/critdmg and action advances entire team with ult and does some extra lil hits when ppl do damage

[hot shell]

My guy why do you always post this goonstuff

[sullen dove]

ruanmei buffing weakness break efficiency (doesnt rly matter for most ppl), damage, makes mobs stay broken longer, all type res pen (kinda rare and good multiplier), some speed maybe

[smoky vale]

at least this one isnt on a timer

[sullen dove]

yea

can just sit it

[smoky vale]

other one i gotta decide in 24 days

[sullen dove]

topaz possibly gettin buff but doubt thatll go that crazy

[smoky vale]

i think i also skip the person trailblazer replaces

[sullen dove]

in what team

cyrene?

[smoky vale]

er backwards

yeah

[sullen dove]

yea i mean.. somewhat acceptable

dont think she super insane at c0

[smoky vale]

no point if im f2p

[sullen dove]

just kinda lets you use tb on other teams if needed

cuz remembrance tb is just good on like over half of the dps in the game even if the dps isnt remembrance

[smoky vale]

im fucked on forgotten memories rn

[sullen dove]

but yea lowest prio probably

hyacine top

[smoky vale]

i have no semblance of a second team

[sullen dove]

idk make welt stronger

and herta

and then get robin for both of them or blow up

but like maybe u can use pela or something instead

leveling 4 new characters probably cringe tho

might be a lil while

[smoky vale]

sure but im legit just full sending castorice and trailblazer

[sullen dove]

yea i mean tb doesnt really need any talents or gear

a few talents and crit dmg is good rest just kinda vibe

[smoky vale]

and then enough to level gallagher and welt

[sullen dove]

most of it is the true dmg buff

[smoky vale]

i think i gotta start investing into welts traces though

[sullen dove]

yea that probably matters

[smoky vale]

its gonna be fucked because im about to hit level 40

so all my resin is gonna be drained

[sullen dove]

yea u get more per resin tho

just lvl casto with however long it takes, tb lvl kinda doesnt matter for the moment just some more traces or something

then boosting welt n shit easier

[shy knot]

Is slayer taking over thane now ?

[smoky vale]

[shy knot]

In raid

[sullen dove]

been

but yea more so now

[shy knot]

I refuse to play thane

[sullen dove]

nice

[smoky vale]

then dont

you will succeed

[shy knot]

Only tried slayer in hc so far but it felt way better

Exe hitting hard

[fading sky]

in raid id prob play slayer yea, i mean it depends vastly on which encounter and timers ofc

for the free pad which we do like dont we boys 😄

[shy knot]

Rend being on ww is a great change too

Was such a headache

[stoic galleon]

Is there a place to see how much im supposed to sim at my ilvl? Like comparing with other at my ilvl?

[bleak topaz]

Hi @edgy widget what do u think about switching deep wounds for Bloodcraze? DW made only 1.8% of total in dmg in an +10 NP ...

[drowsy heron]

that seems really low, are you not hitting execute?

[shy knot]

Slayer overtaking thane on all but 1 boss nice

[drowsy heron]

damn really?

[shy knot]

Yeah

Only Saladbar is like 90% thane

And the majority arms bosses I didnt check

But Chim, Averzian etc are slayer

[edgy widget]

DW doesn't amount to a whole lot, but Bloodcraze does even less when you're barely pressing Raging Blow

[undone flower]

chime is still 80% thane

[shy knot]

I only see the top parses

The average will play thane ofc cuz its brainless

And perma cleave

[bleak topaz]

Right?! I do extensively exploit Execute lol and it did more dmg after the buff... may be doing sth wrong though 🤔

[fiery edge]

Maybe we’re destined to be mid

[shy knot]

Give it time

Depends how much ppl pad on adds tho

[fiery edge]

I need it now

[undone flower]

sure but it is something to say it's slayer on all except half the bosses

[bleak topaz]

I've been wondering with the buff to RB and the 5% bloodcraze adds to BT and stacking .. I do barely press RB and still it made like 5% of all dmg

[tight flax]

Huh, I never found slayer to be more brainless then Thane, they felt sort of equal (with all due respect, I love fury)

[rare forum]

Guys, is there any consensus on arms vs fury in high M+ keys now?

[fiery edge]

Arms, depends on tank

[undone flower]

@sudden tusk i saw you did beloren as slayer, what your thoughts on egg dmg ?

[sudden tusk]

id have to check egg damage but thane also seems very good there

[undone flower]

yeah i saw you do similar to thane, just asking if something weird happened cd wise etc

basically it's around 135-142k dps for both it seems

[edgy widget]

the buff doesn't actually make you press RB any more, it's just a little stronger when you do

• Slayer will still prioritize Whirlwind > CB or RB in multitarget content, and Thane will still prioritize TC over it in multitarget or during cooldowns
• Each cast of RB with Bloodcraze only adds +5% BT damage, so it doesn't ever really get a chance to stack up when you're not pushing RB that much

if you don't like or feel like you're getting much out of Deep Wounds, then by all means change, but I haven't seen anything to suggest it would be particularly advantageous at this time

[safe oasis]

I've done a few keys yesterday but havent really seen a big difference in damage as thane

[fiery edge]

RB is just underwhelming to press

[vague stump]

What about in single target raid build archi I guess bloodcraze is good?

[tight flax]

I like attacks that have big powerful sounds and impact and RB just doesn't 😭, kinda glad we're not mashing that button anymore

[edgy widget]

Just doing some simple math based on the number of casts of RB/CB and total damage of BT/BB (non-tick) in a recent high level Slayer log tells me that Bloodcraze would have been worth about ~0.25% additional damage (not actually that simple, since which Bloodthirst/bath gets buffed matters, but if anything that probably results in an even lower number than our average here)

meanwhile Deep Wounds is worth ~2.6% in this particular log

[fiery edge]

Next expac for sure we’ll get sth better

Maybe or not

[tight flax]

Same as cleave, cleave is just "swiiishhh"

and its like, eww

[fiery edge]

MS be clanking

[tight flax]

starting a petition to make every attack have an explosion sound effect

[bleak topaz]

Alright thats what I was after, thx appreciate it 😊

[undone flower]

dw this sound grows on you

I just wish you could see the aoe when you hover the spell

[bleak topaz]

I was in thane though, my rampage makes up like 23% followed by BT/BB and MT/B ~11% respectively

[drowsy heron]

yea i just got 3.2% overall for DWs in Spire 16

[edgy widget]

not particularly; Deep Wounds is even better in raid, and you still want to path into Deft Exp, so there are only a few points you can feasibly change... and again Raging Blow isn't a high priority; you're still pressing Rend/WW and potentially Wrecking Throw ahead of it

[drowsy heron]

sad state for RB

[edgy widget]

the best thing you can drop for Bloodcraze would actually be Executioner's Wrath, even though that seems a little counterintuitive

and that's not a good swap either, it's like 1%+ loss

[sullen dove]

true

awowowowo

[tiny seal]

i assume we dont press rend anymore after rb buffs right?

as slayer

[south kayak]

There's a few posts above you that state you press Rend ahead of RB

[dense elbow]

On ST you do still press Rend, you just usually get it from WW instead

[tiny seal]

i see

[dense elbow]

Btw, love the changed to Slayer so far

[tiny seal]

didnt read anything before

[flat river]

Real

[south kayak]

RB could use more buffs to put it ahead of Rend and WW

[edgy widget]

then Rend would need buffs to put it out ahead of RB!

[flat river]

XD

They should really buff RB to make it the main priority in slayer

So thane and slayer have different builds

[south kayak]

They're not doing that

[flat river]

I know

That's why i said they should

Not that they will

[dense elbow]

Solution, rb rends

Soon all will rend

[celest halo]

Anyone that’s using cdm have a visual bug where sometimes your enrage buff will just disappear outta nowhere? While playing slayer is the only time I’ve noticed it. First noticed it right after I casted bladestorm, 2s into the enrage the buff bar just went away

[undone flower]

I did 100 with rb > rend tonight

[edgy widget]

ironically, they could now that BT doesn't proc Reap anymore

[undone flower]

On vorasius so

[tight flax]

It feels like rampage doesn't proc reap either

[vague stump]

yeah tbh rampage procs seem low but something seems to have happened with SD and procs more now unless its just because its higher prio now so youre actually pressing exe in aoe

[tight flax]

Yeah, ultimately I think its fine, my brain just expected it to go off more with rampage and its like "huh, okay"

[celest halo]

Yeah, honestly slayer fury “feels” like playing no hero talent to me

Which, I actually don’t mind… nice change from thane, but reap having such low overall proc rate feels bad

[vague stump]

like I mean reap isnt bad this was log from 19 MT where I played kinda poopy but the dmg from reap isnt bad I think if they upped the rate to 25% chance from rampage

then I would 100% play it over thane

[fallen ginkgo]

Yeah love it too

[tight flax]

The whole idea, fundamentally, that we should hold pressing rampage ever for any reason feels crazy to me, I know in practice it works out, and during cooldowns you're generating so much rage so fast you basically are hitting it a lot, but its rampage, its the spender, the class should be built around "If you see the angry man light up, you dive on that button immediately right now hit it hit it hit it"

the whole "Mmmm, you should wait till 100ish" is like, crazy to me

[fallen ginkgo]

Thats what i said few days ago

Ramp should be top prio but thats never gonna happen

[tight flax]

I'm pretty sure blizzard thinks that's the case which is even worse to me

[undone flower]

Ramp is top prio

But you don’t understand

[fallen ginkgo]

I dont understand what exactly?

[tight flax]

Maybe I will never understand, maybe the universe is too vast and complex for me

[undone flower]

You do not lose rampage casts by waiting 100 rage

[fallen ginkgo]

We Pool Our rage so we can ramp as much as possible i know

But thats what i want/meant by top prio

Thats not*

[tight flax]

I feel like I've started something, lol

[raw bone]

as a slayer on ST do we prio the use of whirlwind to keep rend up?

[fallen ginkgo]

No this convo happens everyday

[undone flower]

Not rly dw

[tight flax]

I get the fact that so long as we manage our rage correctly we don't lose the amount of rampages we do

Its just a feel thing, its hard to describe

when I see it light up I feel like I want to hit it

[fallen ginkgo]

You think that we should press ramp when 80 rage too right?

[tight flax]

Right, its a button I want to feel excited to hit and hit it immediately because its so good that its like "Oh shit, its angry man button time"

"Lets fucking go", but its like, something else to manage

Which is fine, skill expression is done through managing resources and buffs and debuffs and all of that

[shy knot]

I feel like slayer has the essence of fury

And thane is melee bm hunter

[fallen ginkgo]

Yesssssss

[shy knot]

1-2-1-2-odyns-1-2-1

[tight flax]

My enjoyment of Thane would go up 100% if they let me have fire effects instead of lightning and thunder, I want to be Fire Thane

[undone flower]

Fury is melee bm hunter we have the etiquette since a while

[vague stump]

the way I treat rampage for slayer is like if I am in a pack w more then 2 t

3t sorry I hit that shit asap especially during rek window. outside of rek window I am generally abit more careful and generally use at around 90 ish rage so ill get like 1 other global in but on single I go normal

because even though I under stand the whole rampage at 100 thing but during rek window for sure you can get alot more ramp casts off casting on cd not waiting for 100 rage

I get it for thane but slayer like during rek window you could be losing like 2 procs of reap or even more by casting at 100

[tight flax]

its like the idea of being a rampaging berserker is a really fun class fantasy and mashing rampage for a brief period of time fulfills the class fantasy

but that's crazy talk

I know

[stoic thistle]

one thing to fix slayer now is to make reap 100% proc chance with raging blow on 5 or more targets (same as last season)
we back to spam raging blow our dps goes zug

[random shadow]

Woah we've gotten to a time where exe and ramp takes prio over bb?

Would be sick if exe without SD tho

[vague stump]

right so in otherwords during rek window you do cast on cd

[undone flower]

Yes basically

Even before it was just BB between the two rampages lines

[tight flax]

Also I'm just in a sarcastic mood tonight I hope I'm not being too much, lol

[random shadow]

I kinda miss this. I didnt play much warrior in s3

[tight flax]

It was kinda nutty, haha

[undone flower]

In ST it is without SD condition

[random shadow]

Would be sick for aoe as well

[shy knot]

Peak fury was Legion Antorus and BfA

And thane is nowhere near that playstyle

[tired oxide]

i remember when fury had colosus smash

🛞

[shy knot]

Just high apm spam

[shy knot]

Siegebreaker yeah

Bis

[fresh creek]

just tried slayer in a 13 Mt was nice tbh

[shy knot]

Also like the guy said having only thunder effects sucks

It fits prot and dwarf players only

[undone flower]

I would like more splashy effects

Whatever it would be

[tired oxide]

i use dwarf and i don't like playing thane

[shy knot]

Blood

That would go against their rainbow cozycore philosophy tho

[undone flower]

Would be cool, more like a specific red flamy color

[shy knot]

Yeah like bloodflame in ER

[undone flower]

For slayer, or reck , or reckless abandon

[shy knot]

Love thane on prot hate it on fury

[tired oxide]

i don't play prot but i can agree with that

[undone flower]

I like all 3 hero talents on all 3 specs

[shy knot]

It fits prot perfectly and feels badass

[twilit harbor]

BfA fury with CSHB felt amazing, plus all the added sustain from it was nice.

That and geti'ikku was a big dot era

kinda got fucked up by geti'ikku+benthic gear+orgozoa/razorfin combo making vers highly valuable cause so much damage came from cantrips

[coarse pollen]

Is it normal to be overcapping rage like crazy during cds i feel like its impossible to dump rage especially during execute phase and in aoe

[pearl lance]

Press Rampage

[twilit harbor]

tbh, i think dragonflight s3 might have been the best feeling for fury. rotation was still tight and the tier set helped make OF feel like a big cooldown for once

[coarse pollen]

I'm trying to but the moment I hit rampage I'm basically back to full again

I think I'm doing something severely wrong I need to do homework

[pearl lance]

Yeah you should press more rampage

[tired oxide]

more rampage more speed more damage

[coarse pollen]

I'm hitting thunderclap off cd during cds

[tired oxide]

[coarse pollen]

Is that bad

[tired oxide]

if you have more than 5 targets i guess it's not bad?

[pearl lance]

Its Not Bad but keep pressing rampage over 100Rage YEP

[tight flax]

Yes, I want fire thane, I will die on this hill

[coarse pollen]

Basically I alternate thunderclap bloodthirst and execute (if it's up) between every rampage

[fickle stirrup]

Does Reap only have a chance to proc from the initial hit of Rampage or every strike of it?

[coarse pollen]

In big pulls

[covert coyote]

1 chance per cast

[undone flower]

You don’t rly press execute a lot as thane

[coarse pollen]

🤔

[fickle stirrup]

I usually Rampage -> Clap over and over again on big pulls until I dont have the Rage to Rampage
Then I alternate BT -> Rampage -> Clap
Once Reck falls off I just Clap between every other GCD til Avatar falls off

[fickle stirrup]

That's embarrassing

[shy knot]

Oh yeah

That was peak

[coarse pollen]

Some pulls I feel like I'm hitting them with pool noodles

[shy knot]

Now cshb hits for nothing

[undone flower]

Your rotation during CDs + big pull looks like that : TC -> Ramp -> TC -> ramp -> TC -> BB etc it’s an example, ramp/bb are interchangeable depending your rage

[shy knot]

“Gushing wound”

[coarse pollen]

Interesting

I always tried to maximize how much I'm hitting bb during cds

Maybe that's why I feel like I have to much rage

[undone flower]

If you have trouble reading the prio you can ask questions

[fickle stirrup]

I find that if you don't Rampage > BB every chance you get during CDs your Odyn's will desync ever so slightly

[tight flax]

big claps for big pulls

[coarse pollen]

U know what

I think I misread it completely

Holy

[undone flower]

You don’t care about syncing OF

[fickle stirrup]

I figured but it is nice to have them together lol
It's inevitable though

[covert coyote]

pretty much OF on CD

it's like a 20 sec CD

[undone flower]

Yeah syncs itself by being 20 sec cd

[tight flax]

OF lives life by its own rules

[coarse pollen]

I don't have 4 pc yet so I'm stuck with natty of cd

[undone flower]

You don’t have a gazillion charge of catalyst ?

Or you miss epic items

[white nest]

I think we have enough base catalyst charges to get 4 set now without the farmable ones now right?

[tight flax]

I have a friend who's been away since MoP playing now and its crazy to see how much of this stuff we're talking about right now is unknowable to a person like him

He's playing paladin after trying warrior, and the best thing he told me was "I don't want to ask whirlwind permission to aoe"

[undone flower]

And he missed the period tier sets were gone

[fickle stirrup]

It's lame
It's funny seeing them give us tier sets that buff our BT like in TWW when even the 150% buff to BT in Amirdrassil felt like ass

[white nest]

I mean tier set is an old wow idea tbf.

[coarse pollen]

I got really unlucky with rolls

[undone flower]

You can catalyst hero/champ gear

[coarse pollen]

Ye I'm just unlucky with drops

I got a heroic war bound gaze from mythic chim so I decided to just send my warrior today

[tight flax]

People got pretty mad when tier sets went away, I think they just can't win no matter what they do with that stuff

[coarse pollen]

Just need to farm more m+

[undone flower]

Tier sets are cool

[fickle stirrup]

Ngl, I kinda wish that part of Fury got killed off
Thane kinda gets away with it by using clap but I wonder how dmg Slayer "loses" by wasting a GCD on a goofy ass no dmg button like WW

[tight flax]

He was struggling a ton with adding constant WW to the rotation

[undone flower]

imo, you don’t like improved ww = you just don’t like fury

[tight flax]

I agree for sure

[pearl lance]

Instead you have Reap

[undone flower]

It is more iconic to fury, the spec, than bladestorm

[fickle stirrup]

I like having a rhythm with the rotation but the difference in feel between pressing it as Thane vs Slayer is that at least Clap feels and is strong

[tight flax]

Divine Storm is just way easier to understand, "If I want to aoe, I press the aoe attacks, if I want to single target, I press the single target attacks", for someone who's inexperienced its just easier to understand

[fickle stirrup]

I wouldn't mind having to hit a button to keep my AoE rolling as long as it didnt feel like shit pressing it

[pearl lance]

Someone mentioned that a reap procc before pressing WW feels really clunky? Especially for the eye

[unreal onyx]

Overall I think fury is easier to understand if you understand "have ww buff and do the same thing as in ST"

[undone flower]

I wouldn’t compare the two since they are both easy to understand

[unreal onyx]

You dont need to know different abilities, rather just to keep up a buff

[tight flax]

I'm mostly inclined to agree! Its different for someone who's not touched the game in a decade, these are things we've grown to learn over years ultimately

it feels second nature to how we play since we do it frequently

[fickle stirrup]

Especially considering that Warrior as a whole didn't get pruned and for a short period even gained some buttons

[tight flax]

pressing a button that is essentially just an enabler feels clunky because we want that good feeling of pressing an impactful button, WW is impactful but its impactful due to it enabling actual AOE

[fickle stirrup]

Most of the QoL went to Slayer when you no longer had to be a degenerate about stacks and the buff being on your character as opposed to the enemy for Execute

[raw bone]

as a slayer on ST do we prio the use of whirlwind to keep rend up?

[tight flax]

Don't execute unless 2 stacks otherwise Ion will set your house on fire

[undone flower]

I prefer previous MFE stacks tbf, but just bc it was not the bs ironfur tech

They could have put mfe stacks on player

[tight flax]

I think I saw earlier that the difference is so negligible it doesn't matter, but don't quote me

lol

I use rend in st just cause I'm so used to it

[fickle stirrup]

Last I remember you only apply it outside Reck no?

You dont even open with it if I recall

[unreal onyx]

I think archi told me it doesnt really matter yesterday when I asked, so I just used it manually

[tight flax]

I wanted to say it was a 0.0something% haha, but I was like "I could be wrong 😭"

[unreal onyx]

Guild killed alleria yesterday and I played full ST slayer

Felt pretty good tbh

[undone flower]

You did right

[raw bone]

i mean when we are already using improv because the fight has some add, ok so basically i can do what i want

[undone flower]

Every AoE part of alleria is not cool

I will ST next time I kill her

after lura

[unreal onyx]

You lose a fractional margin in p2 on adds but they explode anyway with current gear

[fickle stirrup]

Was the pad dmg finally removed from parses?

[unreal onyx]

P1 yes

[fickle stirrup]

Amazing

[undone flower]

P1 droplets were removed a while ago

.5 I think ?

[fickle stirrup]

Didn't know
It's been a min

[unreal onyx]

I got a 52 overall but a 78 dmg to boss, good enough for prog kill

[undone flower]

But you still have the p2 adds dk grabs (they die instantly) and you could go kill the simulacrum+miniboss in p3, but you are a melee, just zug boss

[fickle stirrup]

Outside of pad, what is considered an "acceptable" parse?

[unreal onyx]

One of our DPS DCd in mid p2 and we still killed her, so we basically boosted myth alleria

[unreal onyx]

100

[fickle stirrup]

LOL

[undone flower]

You held your CDs at the start ?

[unreal onyx]

Actually no, I went full on ape mode and just blasted CDs

[undone flower]

You do 3x more dmg if you wait 10-15 sec

[unreal onyx]

Used reck abd bs on p1 3rd add and it lined up perfectly with BL in p2

[unreal onyx]

Yea ik but that loses me a full cd rotation on 3rd add with stacks

(I know I didn't play optimal)

[undone flower]

Okok I played thane and I waited 4 droplets stacks to send and it was fine on the last dude

Our CDs are very easy to line up with p2 since there is the intermission

[unreal onyx]

On the non-kill pulls I kept using BS when she'd come down from intermission and then just jumped away from me

Letting me spin into nothing

At least we got a solid 1 parse on speed

[wet hull]

Hey boys hows thane doing in M+ compared to Col

[unreal onyx]

Worse but still ok

[undone flower]

(sorry for music), that's how i do it, idk how you place her tho

as slayer i would do the same char move

i would just rampage, cd bs and slightly premove as i do as thane

[unreal onyx]

Yeah that would've propably be smarter

I applied rend before the knock up and charged her mid-air with reck for insta-ramp

Feels like that is secret tech but propably is default

You can hit her once before she knocks you up

[undone flower]

i thought she still had the dmg reduction

at that moment

[unreal onyx]

I think not but I'm not sure as I only applied rend in that time

But by the time you can charge-ramp she doesnt

[digital mauve]

So how are the buff for both fury spec?

[slim coral]

Very good

[fickle stirrup]

🤔

[ornate gust]

Which website is that?

[ionic lance]

They should just change reap of storm rampage 20% to 20% per target hit with rampage

just like with RB last season

[tight flax]

It would make me a very happy person

[deep ridge]

is slayer ok for m+ now or is it still a mile away from thane?

[haughty carbon]

Slayer is fantastic in mm+

[deep ridge]

oh baby

[haughty carbon]

Just spam rampage > execute > bt

[proven hornet]

is this ruin build?

[haughty carbon]

No

[fleet yarrow]

feel like thats also may be a reason for it being good

[deep ridge]

the most beautiful words i have seen in a long time

[fleet yarrow]

its so simple

It went from -> Prioing in your bloodthirsts, looking at rage meter

to

Rampage + execute on cd

fuck everything else

[haughty carbon]

Its simple, u just need to use it cd in the right time

Y lol that it

U destroy pack, prio target, and boss, slayer feel just insane

[fleet yarrow]

It makes chaotic pulls easier

because now whilst im running around like a headless chicken trying to get some kicks in

im not messing up my rotation

[haughty carbon]

Little advice

[slim coral]

Slayer isn’t as good as thane in aoe

They gotta buff reap proc rate imo

[haughty carbon]

Idk why but crit is really good on fury

I’ve got 26 crit 22 haste and 45 mastery

[fleet yarrow]

i noted

[radiant plank]

Butt buutt noxiv cleared a +20 seat as slayer

[haughty carbon]

Got gaze trinket make slayer very strong on big pull

[slim coral]

True but he isn’t have to lift dead weight

[fleet yarrow]

I've been

iffy if I should continue running puzzle box in M+

or just go heart _ gaze

*+

[slim coral]

I also love the feel of thane over slayer currently

[tight flax]

I think most will be fine as either if they like it more, haha

[fleet yarrow]

Only because of the unpredictable nature of recklessness + bladestorm cd either matching it or being completely off

and thats reallly when you want your Box to be timed with

[slim coral]

For sure you can do any content on any class

Just thane more optimal

[tight flax]

Thankfully in keys I like thane, haha, but yeah for sure

[soft mantle]

What key level is that?

[haughty carbon]

+18 on terrace, im gonna tryin slayer on NXP 19 later

[soft mantle]

Nice man! Let us know for the npx 19

[haughty carbon]

Sure i will @ you!

[soft mantle]

Sure many thanks, also interested to see your damage breakdown

Im resi 19 and timed a 20 as arms but i feel like i wanna switch to fury. Im hesitating between slayer and thane

[fresh cave]

might be a bit out of place but , is there any addon to track the loot of the bonus rolls ?

[livid marsh]

there is an addon called keystoneloot

[fresh cave]

ty

i'll check it out

[rare forum]

Well, question is how would thane have performed there.

[ionic lance]

but we are the dead weight arent we?

[slim coral]

No

Arms and fury are both S tier

Tied with Aug dev and Dk

In keys

[unreal onyx]

Arms keying fun, fury thane keying fun, fury slayer keying ok

[slim coral]

Slayer just feels weird unless it’s arms

[sage ridge]

Thane feels like pad to me most of the time

Even though I enjoy it

[thorny verge]

Has anything major changed in MT rotation 🤔

[sage ridge]

Nope

[uneven path]

Same, you have some prior since you dump range by rampaging main target but most of the damage come from TC/TB which are generic aoe things

[spare steppe]

Is it pad if all that stuff still needs to die?

[sage ridge]

Yea I am running Colossus Arms for the most part and was going to do Thane for AA and SR but I think I'll do Slarms instead because Thane is basically full pad

[tall rampart]

Do we press WW now?

[merry lotus]

Ain’t nothing wrong with add pad

[slim coral]

Me when the group ask why my prio damage is low

I’m a tb tc spam bot it’s not my fault

[fleet yarrow]

Do you guys use pots in m+? Like the ones that buff you for 30 secs?

[soft mantle]

Well as long as prio target is being killed soon enough. Its a matter of dmg profil in your comp as well and about SWITCHING to higher hp mobs in a pack and i feel like a lot of dps miss that. If whole pack is dead but 2 mobs are left with 20-30% hp it makes you lose an easy 20-30sec, if it occurs several times you lose MINS overall in your key

[modern cliff]

Combat pots? Yes

[fleet yarrow]

That Maybe explains why im always getting outdpsed on the lust pulls

[modern cliff]

If not on cooldown then on big pulls/bosses

[fleet yarrow]

hmm, that helps

danker

[modern cliff]

[uneven path]

I can't wait to run some slury

Sadly I am touching grass till Sunday

[fleet yarrow]

I did always wonder why lust pulls I would be centuries behind everyone, but then every other pull I end up =/greater

[warm crag]

why dont you press n and then arms noob

[slim coral]

I play arms it just feels bad when group doesn’t play around Colo

[warm crag]

then you press n and then talents and then click the slayer build

[slim coral]

[manic tapir]

is anyone getting a weird pause between using the second last stack of whirlwind to the last and then using an ability before reapplying whirlwind in aoe slayer?

[sage ridge]

Yea just play Slarms get a shaman for buff and spam execute

[spare steppe]

Fury>arms in fun factor though so slury/thane or bust

[sage ridge]

Slarms is pretty fun though

[fading sky]

Combat pots are basicly mandatory

Their relative str have never been bigger

[fleet yarrow]

Bu

Bu

They cost gold ;-;

[warm crag]

your wording is a bit confusing but i think you're seeing rampage consuming the ww stack at the end of the cast not at the start

[fading sky]

30g per

[fleet yarrow]

Im already going like

[fading sky]

Buy rank 1 ofc

And tbh just pot when lust is used

If u cheap

[honest trail]

Depends on key level

[undone flower]

Rank 1 are rly cheap

[honest trail]

I often don't care about consumables if the key is sleepy

Like

15's

[undone flower]

I dare to say combat pot are more gain/gold than a flask

[fading sky]

Y i woulndt care in weeklies

[honest trail]

& even in my 17-18 I just 1/lust

I don't spam every 5min

[undone flower]

Yeah sure don’t use consumables for weekly vault keys

[honest trail]

(yes, judge me, idc ❤️ )

[undone flower]

You already got publicly judged here when you said you don’t use health pots in mythic raid