fury

[subtle wasp]

Is it always worth taking a Myth 1/6 weapon from the vault? I could take an okay Myth neck slot and my current one is Champ 6/6. My lower weapon is currently Hero 6/6

[cinder viper]

weapon will always be higher dps

[modest condor]

take the weapon

[serene cloud]

If you don't have a myth weapon, afaik that takes 100% priority over other upgrades

[cinder viper]

if u can id reccomend crafting a neck

Fury still sims higher swapping to the 5 target sim

although because of that it wouldnt take arms exevute dmg into consideration

cause for this sim it keeps the target dummies at 100%hp

so arms may still be higher

[modest condor]

colossus doesnt really press execute, it doesnt have the rage for it

[olive wraith]

What are you comparing though

Colo has funnel so prio targets die faster

[modest condor]

there's a reason why a 20% buff to execute was barely a noticable increase in dps for colarms

[cinder viper]

cleave does more dmg to lower targets, few other abilites have more dmg to lower targets as well

[modest condor]

oh like that

[cinder viper]

when you take mass execution

cleave does 20% extra dmg to targets lower than 35%

[cinder viper]

this is a good point. both specs have goods and bads, i guess i was just trying to see what does more dmg overall but it depends on the scenario, if theres funnel available etc

[olive wraith]

Overall will be Colo most likely

[tough fractal]

Which spec is best between fury/arms?

[cinder viper]

most likely

[olive wraith]

Yes

[cinder viper]

it depends on ur playstyle, they play very different

fury if ur like high apm, sustained dmg

[sullen tendon]

Get arms out of my fury chat

Fuck arms

[cinder viper]

arms if u like slower big hits

[olive wraith]

Arms has slightly less apm that shouldn’t be a comparison

[oblique thistle]

Fury chat is glorified general and you know it

[willow delta]

is fury slayer a thing now?

[sullen tendon]

Arms is for people with no dedication or passion

[undone flower]

Execute phase increase cleave dmg by 25%

[olive wraith]

Has been chief

[willow delta]

I only care about m+

so it hasn't for me

[cinder viper]

last i looked it was a pretty decent difference, may be less now tho i haent looked at apm comparison for a bit lol

[sullen tendon]

People only play arms if it’s tuned well in m+ and if it’s shit at that in a season everyone completely ignores it. Even raid doesn’t save it most of the time.

Arms is the ultimate fotm spec

[sly merlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bndGqWFSrpErWSjRK47X3S

[sullen tendon]

Fury atleast has a consistent playerbase

[cinder viper]

i mean when i was running sims earlier i was running MT and slayer and they were both pretty damn close

[sly merlin]

buffs working w latest build of sim

[olive wraith]

How much of a difference do you think it is

[coarse nest]

Yes can confirm

Just ran a 108k vantus quick sim for arms*

[cinder viper]

i thought it was like, fury beating out arms by a good 5-10 extra apm last i checkec

[olive wraith]

Doubt it’s 10

Either way it’s hardly noticeable

[echo scarab]

https://klipy.com/gifs/screaming-fish--k01KQWRAZDXQBQZW42SB7CNAE4B

im simming 1.4k higher than pre-patch

[cinder viper]

5 target patchwerk comparison between MT and slayer for M+

mt still better

but slayer is closer than it was before patch

[simple creek]

what's the damage in ST from both?

[hybrid cargo]

we are 1 il apart and you sim 4k higher lmao

[sullen dove]

twas the expected yea B)

[cinder viper]

lemme have a look

[sly merlin]

i wonder why

[frozen scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1336842672375074908/1352184849775067196/togif.gif

[sly merlin]

trinket diff?

[wispy oriole]

switch to latest

nightly isnt updated

[scarlet swift]

Aren't you 20? That should be a vape

[lyric nexus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rTkkUZpvPjgzn3NKsoPNxo

[hybrid cargo]

possibly? i have gaze, only just got the myth light ring and the old one is hero? there are some differences for sure i wouldnt expect that big a swing though

[frozen scarab]

never touched a vape 😭

[sly merlin]

switch to latest weekly is updated

isnt*

[cinder viper]

this is for pure ST which is pretty much non existant in raid

[sly merlin]

this is my 5tar 5min https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rvyNhwWfuL4UU4YPtdPjHw

[fringe citrus]

my American brothers , how are we after the update

[sly merlin]

way diff numbers

[cinder viper]

im running mine with no buffs besides battle shout

[onyx pike]

what is 5tar?

[sly merlin]

oh fair

[cinder viper]

cause i wanna see my raw dmg

[sly merlin]

but yeah swap to latest

and resim

[cinder viper]

mines telling me that its updated to may 5th so i should be fine no?

[sly merlin]

wasn’t fine for me

[cinder viper]

hmmm

[south lintel]

How's it looking

[sly merlin]

i gained 5k st when i swapped to latest over nightly

so

[scarlet swift]

how are you guys simming so low on ST?

[cinder viper]

ill resim

[cinder viper]

running sims assuming i have no buffs besides battle shout

[scarlet swift]

ah

[cinder viper]

so no lust, monk buff, windfury etc

[scarlet swift]

makes sense

[cinder viper]

thats with all buffs on, latest and for slayer ST

with a vantus rune'

[cursive pivot]

so wowhead is updated for today then?

[cinder viper]

how tf am i 20K above you

[undone flower]

Raid buffs

[sly merlin]

well he’s 274ilvl in that ss and also the sim bot command is prob using weekly

[olive wraith]

Nothing has changed so yes

[sly merlin]

so not up to date

[cinder viper]

ah

[lavish sierra]

Romanian deadlifts suck

[cinder viper]

yea ngl didnt see the ilvl lol

[undone flower]

I didn’t see too tbf

[cursive pivot]

oh i thought best raid was using mountain thane

[cinder viper]

for heavy add fights yes

[scarlet swift]

re-running

[gray plume]

any new talent changes?

[sly merlin]

vantus put me at 105k st

[undone flower]

It was, might not remain the case on every bosses now

[cinder viper]

i run thane for imperator, dragons, and chim personallt

slayer on all other bosses

[thorny jewel]

Why is my ST so much lower? Gear is not that different. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k6f3VMLvjoiED1MzuD6dSy

[cursive pivot]

ok cool, thank you

[scarlet swift]

i just do thane, i hate cd desync

[cinder viper]

but i do like arms for paladins, i play arms in keys so not like idk the spec lol

[serene socket]

im also seeing same here for fury slayer st

[latent gust]

did the buff go thru for warriors or no?

[finite forge]

read updates

[sly merlin]

switch to latest sim build

[cinder viper]

resim on latest build not weekly

[hybrid cargo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iK32WJAf3jUox81BrEBM8B why am i like 10k off yall lol

[scarlet swift]

dang, ya'll lower than a 274, is liquid recruiting? im ready

[serene socket]

same as above. use latest not weekly

[cinder viper]

same thing, swap to latest not weekly

[delicate rock]

@hybrid cargo Read one line above

[hybrid cargo]

im dumb sorry i was misreading it llol

[cinder viper]

this is what u want

[fringe citrus]

are we topping the meters now or what

[cinder viper]

probs not

[finite forge]

yeah, if we switch to DH

[cinder viper]

but we mioght actuallt be visible on them and not have to scroll

[fringe citrus]

BIG

[cinder viper]

huge even

[fringe citrus]

cant wait for tomorrow now

[cinder viper]

fr

[kind bison]

wonder if fury is gonna overtake arms on alleria pog

[lyric nexus]

i wish i could have back the old spec from midnight, it was better then this shit bt shit spec

[cinder viper]

i havent simmed anything for arms yet, im curious to see what arms ST is looking like

[delicate rock]

Guess its fair to asume that we are a middle of the Pack spec now and that would be enough to just play good and still be top 5 in 99% of guilds.

Buuut wcl data will Show the truth

[cinder viper]

true true

[scarlet swift]

wowhead is updated?

[cinder viper]

at least we aint bottom anymore

[dark frost]

so is slayer the move for M+ now?

[cinder viper]

or shouldnt be

[cinder viper]

MT still better

[sly merlin]

thane should b better still for m+

[cinder viper]

at least from my own sims

its like a 20k difference so still pretty considerably better

(again from my sims)

[lyric nexus]

its still better but not so big like before

[dusky frost]

Thane still simming like 60k over Slayer for me

[lyric nexus]

17k for me

[olive wraith]

What needs to be updated

[scarlet swift]

oh i just dont know if it is, the flavor text on the page still says Feb, but its also on the .05 landing page

[ancient spear]

Myth voidclaws in the vault

Lfg

[olive wraith]

Has anything in the rotation, stat prio, talents changed

[lyric nexus]

Raging Blow damage increased by 20%. so i hope the raging blow spec is coming back

[undone flower]

it's not

[lyric nexus]

let me hope

[unkempt oasis]

No

[thorn hearth]

so is it just that slayer is better than thane for single tar now?

[keen kindle]

You wonna spam one button?

[wide delta]

Is RB even slightly more interesting to use, or does it still feel like a wasted global

Dual wielding pool noodles

[sharp patio]

When do we even go single target in this raid lol

[young swan]

nope

[wide delta]

[echo rapids]

We don’t have meaningful ST build swap to

It’s a strength like in s3 TWW when our ST was good

[lavish sierra]

If you were going to be group one which fury build would you try for heroic chim. Or would you just go arms Slayer. I'm kind of craving fury slayer

[wicked wind]

Will the Slayer Fury's talents remain the same or will they undergo some changes?

[frozen scarab]

looks like we're all still on mt afterall...

[olive wraith]

Honestly

Slayer isn’t that much less aoe

And you gain st

[modest condor]

but what happens when you start adding more targets

[olive wraith]

Literally play either

[prime pulsar]

Mountain M+ Slayer Raid?

[dusky anchor]

so fury thane is better than Arms colossus MT ? HUH?

[olive wraith]

I assume this is 5t

[dusky anchor]

So its like a capped sim

[quiet geyser]

Uhh.. archi made a lil mistake i think

[hexed yew]

what is the best talents for fury raiding? seen some say slayer and some MT

[quiet geyser]

Fury slayer gained more than 5.6% ST

[olive wraith]

Colo has much better prio than thane

[normal forge]

Does fury thane better than arms now ? Since there is even more ST and AOE buff compared to arms

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[normal forge]

Doesnt say anything about m+

[south kayak]

Execute over BB. Finally execute does damage

[olive wraith]

What was good about Colo in keys?

[bold bear]

that's the difference between the two hero talents, not change from the patch

[quiet geyser]

Ohhh

[limpid tide]

Has anyone done any keys yet how we feeling

[unkempt oasis]

Now we wait for the,"there was a bug giving warriors more ST then we intended."

[coarse nest]

Lmao

[rugged cedar]

Are we cooking now boys?

[violet mulch]

happy warrior noises

[frozen scarab]

slayer stocks up for vorasius

[olive wraith]

I think this is overall a good improvement for slayer gameplay

More execute is exactly what the hero spec needs

[quiet geyser]

We realistically play slayer for all of the final 3

[vernal mulch]

are we gonna start taking slayer in raid or is mt still the move

[frozen scarab]

i mean majority of the fights are cleave in myhtic no?

[lavish sierra]

are we truly at the "choose what you like"

[vernal mulch]

well…
its burst aoe not cleave i think

[quiet geyser]

No. The final 3 are basically ST

[vernal mulch]

at least in my experience during prog

[quiet geyser]

Of whats important anyways

[frozen scarab]

final 3 as in crown, belo, and lura ?

[quiet geyser]

Yes

[frozen scarab]

i see

[vernal mulch]

dragons is basically 2 target, vanguard is 2-3 target, alleria is st i think

beloren is st? and lura is st i think

[somber elk]

damn slayer sims pretty good in st in m+ spec

[quiet geyser]

Crown adds arent in wcl, and the only thing that matters is p2/p3 boss dam

[frozen scarab]

fuck im excited now

[vernal mulch]

vorasius is st for my raid’s strat but others experiences might differ

saladhar is actually aoe cleave fight

[frozen scarab]

what would u say chim is

[vernal mulch]

averzian is also kinda aoe cleave

[hybrid cargo]

correction saladhar is a pad fight

[vernal mulch]

chim has been st for me as a melee

[unreal kelp]

is there an easy talent to drop for slayer to take enraged regen?

[vernal mulch]

everyone just nukes the fucking shit out of the adds underground

when they pop up ranged obliterates them

melee basically stays on boss

[undone flower]

Just do it before they do

[vernal mulch]

intermission is cleave but chim intermission is more about grips and kicks than that so

[vernal mulch]

tru. skill issue fr

[frozen scarab]

lowkey need the adds dmg icl

pad the fuck out of them

[vernal mulch]

well its always play what u like but arms looks more meaningful

[olive wraith]

Massacre is probably a bigger loss now

[undone flower]

This add dmg chose you

[olive wraith]

So not sure

[hybrid cargo]

based on the note in the patch notes id expect continual tweaki9ng

[vernal mulch]

oh is that change implemented now? are orbs on dragons taken out too or is dragons out of all stars yet

[hybrid cargo]

our teir set is like really bad tbh

[young swan]

lura is weird cause the only damage check is killing the adds in time

p3 and p4 arent real damage checks anymore

[hybrid cargo]

so thats not helpful

[vernal mulch]

fury feels lowkey bad to play in raid rn cuz its either st and do meaningful damage for prog or pad and parse

[young swan]

yeah fury just isnt a good raid spec atm

[lavish sierra]

like right now right now, even post changes?

[vernal mulch]

sighhhh is it time to switch to arms

looking at archi’s writeup/update tho it looks like we got tankier

[young swan]

yeah the changes dont really effect what kind of damage fury brings

[vernal mulch]

or we can take a small dps loss to take out defensive now

[young swan]

we just do more of what we were already doing

[young swan]

dont think arms is very good either

[molten plover]

Is the hotfix already available in the EU?

[undone flower]

Arms is on the same boat as fury for raid except 1 boss

[young swan]

no

[vernal mulch]

well our execute (literal) and execute phase damage got increased so thats a plus ig

[undone flower]

No boss has an execute phase

[vernal mulch]

i meant execute phase as in sub 35% hp we do more dam

no?

[sly merlin]

barely if anything

[vernal mulch]

wdym? arms cuz far more boss dam than fury

[undone flower]

Yeah but every bosses : dmg you do at the start is as meaningful as the end

[hybrid cargo]

i am a full preponet of give us pre bfa execute back and make it SLAP

or.... give us condemn

[young swan]

eh, still just worse than arms, most of fury's execute phase damage comes from vicious contempt

[molten plover]

How many buffs did Fury get in total?

fury slayer ofc

[olive wraith]

5?

[hybrid cargo]

thane 3, slayer 4

[worldly gulch]

Mountain thane still for mythic +?

[olive wraith]

Play either

[vernal mulch]

i see
the boss being execute range doesnt provide a meaningful damage buff for us?

[rich canopy]

I’m a arms fan but for M+ it seems like fury is the most balanced. For arms it seems if you want ST you lose drastically on aoe. If you want aoe you lose drastically on ST. Fury seems to be in a nice middle is that a good analysis?

[olive wraith]

Thane is more consistent. Colo had a higher ceiling

[undone flower]

No boss has a part of their fight starting at 35% hp, total dmg > execute dmg

[young swan]

not really

[vernal mulch]

ive been told by the arms folk that slayer arms aoe is not as bad as its sims

[vernal mulch]

hm

[young swan]

yeah but that doesnt really matter, lura p3 is technically an execute phase

[vernal mulch]

yea thats not what i meant lmao

[undone flower]

What did you mean then

[wicked wind]

I'm autistic for raids, could you tell me what's better for Mythic+, Slayer or Thane?

[hybrid cargo]

thane flows better

imo

in keys

[rugged cedar]

What changed for how it flows?

[proud vessel]

So according to the sims of archi, Fury Thane is now best for m+? high ST and highest MT?

[vernal mulch]

xan had explained it, but i thought we had a meaningful dmg increase with a boss entering execute phase

and my train of thought was that fights can get harder with mechanics, healer mana, potentially no lust/pot, etc as the fight goes on so increased damage in execute phase was more meaningful

[proud vessel]

or is colo arms still best?

[stone meadow]

anyone using prot loot specialization for a higher chance at gaze?

[hybrid cargo]

i mean nothing changed lol other than slayers passive output \

[vernal mulch]

id think it would depend on how high u go and how much u pull

[hybrid cargo]

bladestorm doesnt line up very well with reck though

depending on the pull tempo you can just be holding ur dick as slayer

[frozen scarab]

yeah bladestorm desync makes me upset

[olive wraith]

Those sims are 5t I believe

[drifting token]

That alone makes me perma-thane tbh

[olive wraith]

Which isn’t a good indication of m+

[unborn delta]

its not rly true though

coloarms has better burst

[opaque mortar]

So fury slayer is simming higher than slarms single target ? Am I reading that right?

[unborn delta]

dmg profile is more like a 90 second sim 8t in m+

[opaque mortar]

#updates-midnight here I mean

[drifting token]

that was already the case pre buff as well

but yes

[unborn delta]

slury time on beloren this week

[opaque mortar]

Ok so slowly for me cause I'm real dumb, is slury looking like our best ST raid spec then. I keep seeing slarms talked about as a better bet

[olive wraith]

Yes fury is better st

[hot shell]

Slury should be better, see Sims in update channel

[opaque mortar]

Zugzug

Ty

[hot shell]

Ofc it depends on how comfy you are with a spec

[hybrid cargo]

like bladestorm on ST i can deal with the dsync, it helps you get back into reck but as aoe i want that shit lined up

[spare steppe]

Yay rotation changes

[vernal mulch]

ohhh ok
so 8+ target its not gonna be close 😭

[vernal mulch]

slayer also has good burst right?

[olive wraith]

No clue

Thane is consistent Colo has higher ceiling

[modest condor]

not really, it just has bladestorm after that it's more a sustain damage profile

[molten beacon]

I simmed this and slayer cleave on bosses doing more damage is this the case for you too ? Slayer is better then mountain thain for raid ?

[modest condor]

thane is a lot burstier on aoe

[worn panther]

You’re a lot burstier on aoe

flooshed

[modest condor]

your face is a lot burstier on aoe

[worn panther]

FLOOSHED

[hot shell]

With the buffs we are in a spot where we can choose between col and thane. Why do we always fight

[worn panther]

Wrong

You play slayer

No bitches

Ok that’s all the skyhold for me

I’ll be back in a few months

[vernal mulch]

oh i thought it did cuz i was comparing mt fury and slarms on chim and slarms damage looked more spiky

[meager hound]

Are we back to Fury in M+, or is Arms still better?

[modest condor]

i mean it depends on what kind of burst you're talking about

[stoic loom]

correct

[modest condor]

if you need "these enemies have to die in 5 seconds" burst then slayer is the way to go

[stoic loom]

Fury slayer is quite fun, until u have to hold bladestorm for half the fight

[modest condor]

if you need "we're doing a big lust pull in a +20" burst then thane does way more

[drifting token]

Sims show thane ahead of all other options now for multitarget but as always take sims with grain of salt.

[olive wraith]

Sustained 5t*

[drifting token]

yeah that

[slender perch]

can someone explain the last note by archi in the updates tab? I really don't get it

This one:

Fury Slayer can take Improved Whirlwind and ignore Rend entirely for a 0.06% drop (which is effectively nothing), or keep Enraged Regen and use RB > Rend for a ~0.2% drop.

[olive wraith]

Iww applies rend

[slender perch]

Yeh that was the previous patch update, just confused about the intention and description

[hot shell]

You can play either now. Rejoice

[subtle lagoon]

Hopefully I'll get invited to m+ now

[olive wraith]

You can keep iww talent. Or remove it to take ER

Then prio rb higher than rend

[slender perch]

I assume that's about just pure ST then? how do you cleave your abilities otherwise, or is the gain through something else

[olive wraith]

Are you ddh, udk or Aug?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[slender perch]

Thank you for the response

[hot shell]

Getting invited to keys, imagine

Youre not even getting invited as prot, what makes you believe they want a nonmeta as dps

[cinder viper]

simply run ur own key

lowkey tho thats all i do now

[hot shell]

Same brother, same

[cinder viper]

except for rn, chasing MT for my resil 14s

[hot shell]

And i can go back to fury

[subtle lagoon]

I see arms getting invited all the time

[cinder viper]

so im trying to pug it

been applying for like, 30 mins now

heres hoping i get in one soon

[hot shell]

Good luck

[olive wraith]

Then swap

[subtle lagoon]

nah arms ghey

[vast gorge]

how noticable are these buffs?

[snow flower]

They feel great

[olive wraith]

10%

[hot shell]

Im playing arms rn and lemme tell you... no

[olive wraith]

But his anecdote says otherwise!

[subtle lagoon]

Literally had resi 19 for a week now and I never get invited to any 20s where I see arms getting taken over me instead

[subtle lagoon]

I'm clearly speaking of my own experience though

[hot shell]

And i can tell you that there is furys that get picked for an 18 over me as arms

Dude prolly just had 5 more rio

[prime summit]

dang fury m+ slayer kinda fun now

[subtle lagoon]

Arms literally shits all over fury in m+ before the buff, not sure how it is now have to see tomorrow.

18s and 19s was fine for me invite wise, but you need giga aoe dps for higher keys

[ebon solstice]

thats funny, my group is trying to kick me off arms because the ST is bad

[hot shell]

According to the numbers MT is higher sustained aoe than col

And ofc it has alot better st than col

Well slightly better in both, but thats just according to Sims anyways

[kind bison]

wonder if fury will overtake on dragons or vanguard

[hot shell]

Nah

[kind bison]

prob not i assume colo will still be goat

[olive wraith]

Target count matters though

[sullen dove]

yea i mean you cant rly sim m+ performance as easily as that ur never fighting something for 5 minutes straight

[hot shell]

Colo is far too good in funnel dmg. Fury wont get close to that

[sullen dove]

thane good but colo has cracked cs every 25-30 seconds in cs and demo

and does like 80% of like peak dps with them probably

only missing avatar/ravager/pot maybe

[olive wraith]

Average pug probably doesn’t give you funnel properly

[sullen dove]

but fury out of cds by comparison way more chopped

tho they last like 25-30 seconds every 50 or so seconds

[crude crater]

And they all line up

[subtle lagoon]

Yeah fury cds are up quick after use

[spare flame]

anyone having a problem where avatar+reck macro will sometimes not cast reck? i dont recall this happening before reset

[sullen dove]

like u prolly get cds for every pack in m+ or close to it at least but not like colossus doesnt get 3 demo's off during 1 pack

[hot shell]

Yet keypoint is that both are absolutely playable

[subtle lagoon]

Happened to me multiple times before, I just spam reck+ava macro multiple times.

It happens when you try to send as soon as it goes off cd

[spare flame]

lame af

[subtle lagoon]

if cd is back up and you send like a second after it should be fine

[junior hearth]

Explain funnel for my simpleton self plz

[stiff oriole]

Is there a post that recommends builds per boss after the new changes?

[olive wraith]

Ads make primary target take more damage

[vast gorge]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/midnight-season-1-raid-tips

[lavish sierra]

Idk but more targets more crits more cooldown reduction

[vast gorge]

The Vorasius talent build link is wrong though

[junior hearth]

Gotcha, so bigger pulls

[stiff oriole]

oh i didnt think that was updated yet, thanks for the help 😄

[olive wraith]

Not exactly

Funnel means you deal increased damage to main target (typically bosses or lieutenant type mobs)

[vast gorge]

I think it is, it shows Thane for most fights

[stiff oriole]

it very well might be, i just had assumed that post buffs slayer would edge out on a number of fights but maybe not the case

[sullen dove]

nexus ring ilvl also increases dmg done by the proc kinda neat

assumed it would but wasnt sure

7.2k tooltip dmg 2 276's and 7.5k with 1 285

[hot shell]

Get more singletarget damage/prio damage based on how many mobs are around.
Arms has fob which does an extra ability for dmg if you cleave 3 targets

[junior hearth]

So we encourage tank to pull pull pull 🙂

[olive wraith]

Pull onto boss*

[peak plaza]

How fucked is fury with arms stats?

[hot shell]

Very

[modest condor]

doesnt really batter

[hot shell]

I tried thane with 300 mastery and 1300 crit it was horrible, ngl

[modest condor]

secondaries are a pretty small part of your dps

[echo mica]

Do I take myth algethar hedgecleaver or the Bellamy final judgment

[peak plaza]

Im getting 2 different vibes here lmao

[tawny heron]

using crit/haste on my crafted pieces is like -200dps from hast/mastery

[spare steppe]

I don’t think this has been updated?

[olive wraith]

Sim it

[echo mica]

The final judgement is hero and the cleaver is myth

[junior hearth]

Ok will talk to my group about that

[subtle lagoon]

Nvm Bellamy is heroic, I don't think you take bellamy

[hot shell]

If secondsries wouldnt matter, simming your char wouldnt matter, just put on whatever

[spare steppe]

Thats a bit of an exaggeration

[echo mica]

Ok you right

[sullen dove]

my fury sims 4k higher than arms with mostly arms gear...

hmm its 80 dps higher this week to take a socket out of vault than pick a bonus roll and get my last nexus ring

thoughts on ethicality

i already know the answer though i require higher ilvl mickey mouse number only thing relevant in the grand scheme of things

[modest condor]

ofcourse secondaries matter, what im saying is that they dont matter enough that having the "wrong" secondaries makes or breaks a spec

[supple glen]

yeah, how much will the buffs affect the decline rate guys

[olive wraith]

Again, sim it against your current gear

[modest condor]

you would still play fury in content where it's better than arms if you had arms gear

[olive wraith]

0% it doesn’t make us meta

[weary mango]

Hunt over Devouring Banding for weapon embellishment, correct?

[undone flower]

And you can just switch jewelry items to have a closer fury gear, if you are that stressed about it

Like put the PvP neck when fury, gg

You won 0.2% dps vs pit neck

[hot shell]

Play colo without crit, i dare you

If the KIT makes the difference, it doesnt matter too much yes. In an overall perspective i wouldnt agree with the Statement tho.

[modest condor]

critcake had no problems playing colarms in m+ with fury gear

[unkempt oasis]

But he has cake

Unfair comparison

[modest condor]

true

my bad

[hot shell]

He literally has crit in his name. Ofc hes gonna crit alot

[spark coral]

first roll in seat

[undone flower]

GG

[waxen vale]

liar that was your third roll

[frail heron]

gz

[spark coral]

im like was it?

lol

[undone flower]

I finish nexus point rolling and I start the voidclaw journey

[hollow bramble]

how much haste do yall have?

[spark coral]

im in debate whether magisters terrace or nexus point next

[gilded dune]

of all the spec combos arms/fury I have simmed, slayer fury is simming highest for dungeonslice, ST, and AOE

anyone else seeing same?

[marble apex]

How feals mt fury now after buffs guys? M+

[spark coral]

feels good

other dps dont end 20% ahead of me anymore

[undone flower]

#updates-midnight message

[hot shell]

Wait, Auto attacks?
Wasnt that abilitys ?

[clever iron]

sounds good

[marble apex]

Yeahhhhh niceeeee

Waiting for reset and pump this details

[spark coral]

my last 2 16 keys, seat, and pit

pits the rogue mage

[olive wraith]

Don’t worry about others. Just keep simming yourself

[molten plover]

noxiv pit 21 slayer fury ( no skyfury) overall 220k +-

[sharp valve]

how are we feeling about slayer fury now?

[molten plover]

225 k+

[drifting token]

numerically good, playflow still doodoo

[olive wraith]

Is it?

[hot shell]

Link to that vid pls

[olive wraith]

More execute surely makes it feel better

[drifting token]

you'd think it do be like dat but it dont

[olive wraith]

So what’s bad about it

[drifting token]

still the same proc based slot machine with desynced cds

feels poop

[frank dawn]

I mean the playflow hasn't changed from before really imo. Yes I know there were some minor prio changes, but it didn't really change how it plays. Bladestorm cooldown reduction rng is still annoying, and imo it's still fun too - just annoying sometimes when sudden death procs to decide to go on vacation

[drifting token]

you need sudden death AND slayer strike AND reap to not go on vacation. Then just maybe it feels nice

[olive wraith]

Idk if I’d consider slayer proc based

[drifting token]

well..you should consider it

[runic acorn]

as long as rend still exists it plays like shit tbh

[frank dawn]

wat

[spark coral]

why

[frank dawn]

rend auto applies with whirlwind now, who cares

[drifting token]

rend is a non factor

[runic acorn]

whirlwind makes it better, still not fun to keep track of

[hot shell]

U dont have to?

[frank dawn]

this multi-layer aspect is dumb af to making Bladestorm work, but imo, it's only Bladestorm that's the problem. Reap damage, and Execute damage feel pretty consistent to me. But the m+ environment makes those other factors fall off for the bladestorm cooldown

and so bladestorm ends up doing all kinds of dumb shit in M+

[spare steppe]

Is there any good way to sim myth rings? Currently using heroic set and it really likes to keep the set

[tame gorge]

So after all of one year slayer fury is back to TWW Ansurek fucker status. We’ve come full circle

[olive wraith]

Idk, not proc based though. All the procs are passive

[drifting token]

Sure but a proc is a proc, it's still feast or famine by nature

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t change the gameplay feel for me

That’s like saying bleeds are a big part of our gameplay

[vague stump]

wait have I read this right that thane sims higher than col in multi now?!

[undone flower]

You can do 2 separate droptimizer sims with one not wearing any nexus point ring

[spare steppe]

Smart I’ll try that

[olive wraith]

I think it’s 5t5min

[undone flower]

You give yourself any2 276 ring, you select them, deselect nexus point rings, you copy the simc input from that -> droptimzer

[drifting token]

Yes but the bleeds happen in a reliable way, as opposed to having a huge portion of your output be completely out of your control, not having go windows on predictable demand, and just hoping for the best, I'm happy you like it but it doesn't ring my bell and has a ton of criticism already.

[vague stump]

if I dont have to play col again I will be a happy man

[olive wraith]

You weren’t forced to before

[undone flower]

You can also add every rings in topgear

And do 1 sim

There is not a billion dungeon rings

[hot shell]

Just invite 2 classes with good funneldmg and play thane

[vague stump]

idk I feel you kinda were tbh colosuss so far ahead in mutli before that you was kinda throwing at least in the key levels I am doing 19-20s

I know there was a very small group of furys still playing but

but if its more viable now at least in aoe and better single w/o funnel

then we are gaming

[unkempt oasis]

Maybe now I can finally time a 10

[safe orbit]

Fury now better for M+?

[acoustic brook]

these buffs are about to be MASSIVE

https://giphy.com/gifs/laff-tv-martin-lawrence-black-knight-finger-licking-HFpU6ykvMDCR3NqOzW

[fading blade]

Ok so slayer still feels like poop overall in mythic+, what about in raid?

[acoustic brook]

fury gonna slap in riad

raid

[olive wraith]

Assuming Colo was getting to funnel

[hot shell]

Patchnotes 13.05
All warrior damage reduced by 8%

[halcyon harness]

Fury thane or slayer? for raid

[spring pier]

After the buff from tommorow wich will be better slayer or mountain tain?

[drifting token]

better for what

read updates

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[spring pier]

For M+

[vague stump]

tbh I can see it lmao

[drifting token]

look above

[unkempt oasis]

I am growing to love the same question every 20 minutes

[hot shell]

I played col for a while now and i think im gonna go back to thane with tomorrows reset

[safe orbit]

so fury now better for m+? or arms steel better

[drifting token]

20 mins, more like 20 secs

[olive wraith]

Thane more consistent. Colo higher ceiling

[unkempt oasis]

They had to prove me wrong

[hot shell]

Arms will probably still be the more chosen specc cause of prio/funnel damage

Overall wise play whatever u prefer

[willow delta]

so according to archi's latest picture in the updates-midnight channel, fury does more multitarget than arms now???

[modest condor]

on 5 targets

[drifting token]

a little over 20 seconds that time

[willow delta]

ah ok

[crude crater]

Who has time to read, they've got zugging to do

[olive wraith]

Ya asking and waiting for a response that tells you to read updates is faster than reading updates

[hot shell]

Did someone say zug

[olive wraith]

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-orc-angry-gif-12083808

[unkempt oasis]

Please tell me what to play guys

[cerulean badger]

Warrior

[hot shell]

Unholy dk

[novel rivet]

ok, play fire mage

[modest condor]

a different game

[olive wraith]

Gotta change my name soon I think

[cerulean badger]

Nonbelievers

[unkempt oasis]

Honkai here i come

That is what it is called right?

[modest condor]

yeah

[hot shell]

The goongame?

[subtle jungle]

Fury thane should now do good in m+

[hot shell]

Genthin?

[unkempt oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/veeunus-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-squidward-done-gif-24674884

[modest condor]

honkhonk star rail

[olive wraith]

Honhon star rail

[sullen tendon]

its a good thing im not arms otherwise i may actually care about this vault

[hot shell]

I will have to recraft all my stuff

🙁

[unkempt oasis]

Serves you right for putting down a sword

[hot shell]

Im poor

Give me some gold pls

Your gear looks awesome man

[unkempt oasis]

I raid naked

[covert coyote]

I woulda loved this. still no M weapon and no Gaze

[ancient spear]

Voidclaws are big or?

[hot shell]

Sim

[undone flower]

They are taller, I wouldn’t say big tho

[ancient spear]

No like, I got them

I’m just gauging community sentiment

[random shadow]

does it make you happy

[unkempt oasis]

Or

[random shadow]

to have void gloves

[ancient spear]

It makes me happy because the list says they are bis

Which is a bit hollow

[random shadow]

then its ok

[undone flower]

Good sentiment then

[hot shell]

....sim

[random shadow]

i dont really like or want to use them but vault gave me them so ill use them

[unkempt oasis]

Don't listen to the machine gods

[ancient spear]

Dracz bro are you allgood

[hot shell]

SIM

[ancient spear]

Nah you’re weird

[olive wraith]

Says the slug

[hot shell]

[random shadow]

his a strong beleiver for the robot

[unkempt oasis]

Not even a banana slug

[spare steppe]

i have 5 pairs on boots in my vault but i already have boots. @hot shell what d o i do

[unkempt oasis]

Just a normal one

[olive wraith]

What kind of slug talks

Seems sus

[undone flower]

Everyone is a strong robot believer

[ancient spear]

Yeah ok dude who’s favourite Pokémon is a flower, you belong on the resto shaman disc dude….

[hot shell]

Look whatever says bis in the list. If its not on there disenchant them all

[olive wraith]

Who’s my fave Pokémon?

[spare steppe]

but im gonna get boots again tonight when chimmy decides to be an asshole

[hot shell]

Flabebe

[ancient spear]

What the FUCK is a banana slug

?????

[olive wraith]

Wrong

[lavish sierra]

banana phone

[unkempt oasis]

I can't believe you'd ask me that

[hot shell]

Gimme a hint

[olive wraith]

A slug doesn’t even know about a relative?

[olive wraith]

Gen 9

[ancient spear]

Nah you guys are cooked in here , I was just trying to gauge community sentiment on a nice little piece and all I get is dribble

[hot shell]

Gimme another hint, i dont know which pokemon released in what gen

Azugladis

[modest condor]

have you tried simming the community sentiment tho?

[ancient spear]

Sim this, banana that, flabebe this

[olive wraith]

Voidclaw is a piece of loot of all time

[ancient spear]

It’s just cooked

[unkempt oasis]

Lmao

[undone flower]

You will witness 0 feelings about voidclaw here

[ancient spear]

I can’t find the setting, can you help?

[unkempt oasis]

You are asking about an item that is on our bis list

[covert coyote]

it's objectively the correct answer for seeing if it's good for you

[olive wraith]

You want a real answer?

[ancient spear]

I’m starting to think that fury players just don’t have feelings at all

[unkempt oasis]

I am here for the shit posting

[hot shell]

Zugzug

[spare steppe]

did that, turns out it REALLY likes both rings

[undone flower]

The proc is not sentiment provoking

[ancient spear]

Yes bro, please. Help me find the community sentiment option on raidbots

[undone flower]

I figured that rings were the best rings before Lura mythic

Tbf

[ancient spear]

Im gonna proc a subway for lunch, thoughts?

[olive wraith]

Bis lists don’t matter, sims will always tell you what’s an upgrade for you current gear. Most people don’t have a strong opinion of the gear they get as long as it’s an upgrade

[unkempt oasis]

Gross

[undone flower]

I never ate subway

[spare steppe]

yeah basically if you arent getting lura, get those

[hot shell]

That doesnt help me determine your fav pokemon

[olive wraith]

It has a fire typing

One of its types

[hot shell]

So not azugladis but the other one

[undone flower]

It’s the pink fat thing ?

[ancient spear]

https://tenor.com/view/slug-chew-chewing-chill-gif-8699857

[olive wraith]

Who?

[undone flower]

The goofy like Pokémon ?

[unkempt oasis]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-university-snail-going-on-my-way-omw-gif-5461800

[hot shell]

Armarogue

[narrow kiln]

is slayer bis for raid now?

[ancient spear]

Why would anyone be able to guess your favourite Pokémon when the only data point we have is that out of every single Pokémon ever, you chose that specific one as your profile pic

[olive wraith]

Good guess

[ancient spear]

That’s just crazy dude

[dim spindle]

Good news everybody!

[olive wraith]

That’s suggesting my pfp is my favorite tho

[dim spindle]

I managed to top a guildie UH in a pit +15

[olive wraith]

That’s an assumption you made

[hot shell]

Is it correct tho

[past pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[olive wraith]

Yes

[ancient spear]

That’s a reasonable assumption to make, otherwise why would you pick it

?

[dim spindle]

buffs are officially noticeable

[olive wraith]

Because there were special icons for the anniversary

[unkempt oasis]

Wording...

[dim spindle]

😳

[hot shell]

Just looked it up appearantly english of azugladis is Ceruledge

[undone flower]

@olive wraith slow bro ?

[ancient spear]

Yeah and out of every single Pokémon ever, you picked that one

Therefore

Favourite

[white rover]

We Slayer in raiding yet orrrrrrr?

[hardy cargo]

he def likes infernape

[marble apex]

Mt or slayer?

[dim spindle]

MT

[olive wraith]

It’s not every Pokémon that had the icons

[marble apex]

Feeld good?

[dim spindle]

Pretty good yar

[olive wraith]

I don’t see an armorouge one

[marble apex]

Lets fucking go

[dim spindle]

The ret probably would have beat me if it wasn't for a death, though

nerf ret

[unkempt oasis]

So you just have to get him killed

[marble apex]

People trying slayer furry

Noxiv is playing slayer now

[ancient spear]

It’s literally every single Pokémon species

[dim spindle]

Wording...

[vague stump]

we all furrys

[dim spindle]

Why does everyone keep accusing us of being furries

[manic tapir]

Damn, just seen the numbers. Anyone slammed some thane keys yet? Hows it feeling?

[olive wraith]

With the 30th logo? I haven’t seen it

[dim spindle]

Noticeably better

[fallen solstice]

because we're poor spellers

[dim spindle]

But it'll take a few to get a real feel for it

Had to use drums, sadly

[ancient spear]

https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pokémon_30th_Anniversary_logos

[unkempt oasis]

We are warm though

[vague stump]

tbh if I dont have to make my tank para stuff for funnel anymore

I am all for it

[manic tapir]

Yeah I hear that, wanted to try it out but cba for the stat switch from arms

[vague stump]

that slayer single sim isnt to be scoffed at though

[dim spindle]

Crit is still decent for fury

Probably a better trade than mastery in arms spec

[olive wraith]

Oh neat. There was only like 20 when I got this

[dim spindle]

sims are actually recommending me crit at this point

crit/haste

[hot shell]

Popped in on nox stream, slayer looks good but seems like its still behind mt

[arctic summit]

hi i chose bifurcation band instead of occlusion of void, how much did i fuck up?

[dim spindle]

a few fractions of 1% probably

Not a huge deal

Assuming you had/have set

[arctic summit]

i well i got scared

[manic tapir]

thane sims? or slayer?

[sullen tendon]

getting declined from a 12 with almost 3800 score hurts...

[modest hollow]

Can some1 explain the aoe rotation for thane?

[dim spindle]

Thane, though I haven't checked since buffs

[sullen tendon]

fury life

[olive wraith]

Maybe they hate you

[dim spindle]

They didn't deserve you

[undone flower]

Or they invited a dps and declined all other dps

[modest condor]

apparently there are people who decline overqualified players because they think they're toxic or something

[sullen tendon]

i just want to bonus roll

[unkempt oasis]

This is very true

[dim spindle]

If you're not A+/S tier you're a no go for +12, obviously

io be damned

[sullen tendon]

not aug = not getting invited to anything below a 16

[unkempt oasis]

I get invited on my shitty mage instantly

[undone flower]

It wasn’t that much the case before

[sullen dove]

Fr I swapped to Aug on my dev to get in a key and swapped back after 15 min of nothing

[hot shell]

Ew, aug

[sullen dove]

those dps do not deserve an Aug

[dim spindle]

Being facetious, I'd grab a 3800 io whatever even if it meant no heroism for a +12

[hot shell]

Cap

[dim spindle]

No cap, we bussin

[undone flower]

I wouldn’t grab 3800 io dude if I have 3 dps already

For example

[dim spindle]

Why not? Might still be able to clear

Don't forget we have rallying

And defensive stance

Would imp defensive stance talent make fury/arms a viable tank for lower keys? hmmm

[modest hollow]

Is thunderclap main prio in aoe?

[dim spindle]

Not a +12, but maybe even a +10?

[ancient spear]

At 6 targets or more

[olive wraith]

It’s pretty high in 6+

[modest hollow]

Noted

[undone flower]

Idk I tanked a 10 with a 2h prot last season

[dim spindle]

Sounds like a good time

[unkempt oasis]

10s have started to feel harder then 12s

[hot shell]

Rookie numbers

I tanked a 17 in arms gear

[dim spindle]

What's the benefit there, big boi executes?

Or just pure funsies

[olive wraith]

Doubt there’s any benefit

You lose out on ss

[dim spindle]

Can you shield slam without a shield?

[undone flower]

No

[dim spindle]

Yeah I figured, that's how it always was

[sullen tendon]

crit haste ring from vault is 0.4% upgrade void ring from nexus is 0.6% light ring is 0.7% feel like im better off jsut getting hte extra bonus roll

nothing else is an upgrade

in vault

[undone flower]

You can clap and whirlwind

[dim spindle]

.7% is pretty respectable for an upgrade

[arctic summit]

ok tyvm

i thought i fucked up bigf

[sullen tendon]

they are both around 650dps upgade

[dim spindle]

When it comes to heroic --> mythic upgrades the most I see is around 1.2% or so for weapons, maybe a couple trinkets

on ST sim

But it seems to translate to a lot more than 1% in real world scenarios

Weapon especially

[hot shell]

Anyone know the difference between 2x arcano and 289 weps vs hunt

[undone flower]

you can bonus roll then pick your vault

[hot shell]

From the top of their head

[unkempt oasis]

Hunt is better

[hot shell]

Yeah ik, i mean the rough difference

[unkempt oasis]

For me it was about a 100 dps loss

[undone flower]

pretty small diff

[hot shell]

So sub 1%?

[unkempt oasis]

It was a small difference for a bunch of effort

[undone flower]

it was 0.X% on my char last time i did

[olive wraith]

Somewhere between 0-10%

Off the top of my head

[dim spindle]

What's 10% of 0%?

[hot shell]

So sub 15%?

[olive wraith]

Yes

Absolutely

[dim spindle]

Pretty sure he's playing

[undone flower]

0/10

[dim spindle]

But he's technically correct 100%

[unkempt oasis]

Sorry

74 dps

[dim spindle]

dang, what's that in %

[undone flower]

unplayable

[dim spindle]

.00005%? give or take a 0

[undone flower]

0%

it will show0% i bet

[hot shell]

Random guess is 6-7%

[dim spindle]

Oh u

[olive wraith]

Shoulda been 5-7

[dim spindle]

So you're saying... around 6.7%?

[pine cave]

raidbots shows higher dps running berskers rage on both my weps instead of arcane mastery. is it truthin or lyin xd

[dim spindle]

btw 6x7 = 42. Just sayin'

[sly merlin]

2x arcano and myth weapons was showing higher for me but that was a bit more than a week ago

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind-explosion-mind-explosion-meme-gif-18002878

[olive wraith]

Trust sims

[dim spindle]

Yup, might as well get used to having full faith in our AI overlords when the time comes. If it hasn't already

[pine cave]

ya thats usually best lol

[olive wraith]

[dim spindle]

But, what if... we are the AI?

[compact knot]

did anyone see wallifes damage on vorasius

[unkempt oasis]

I saw him on double dragon

[dim spindle]

Makes you thunk

[earnest gate]

is slayer simming higher for yall this week too?

[compact knot]

ye i saw this one

[unkempt oasis]

It was nice to see him on the meter

Lmao

[compact knot]

im assuming no bdk or smth

[olive wraith]

I mean it should be

[narrow kiln]

is mt still better in m+

[dim spindle]

Yes and no seems to be the consensus atm

Often yes, sometimes no

[narrow kiln]

fair, ill prob try slayer this week

[hot shell]

It defo is more consistant

[olive wraith]

Play either they have pros and cons

[dim spindle]

The more ST heavy m+ just might favor slury

AA and MT? Something like that

MT feels wrong... nexus?

[dim kite]

I prefer slayer so I’m happy to see it closer in m+

[dim spindle]

I may just have to give it a whirl (hah) again soon

But I also said that about Arms and here we are

[sand sand]

do u use bladestorm on cd

[dim kite]

I team it up with odyns as much as possible.

[languid willow]

Just did like 185k overall in pit 19

But tbf dorki was tanking it

[unkempt oasis]

Micromanaging bladestorm doesn't yield a significant damage increase. You can send with reckless for bigger prio damage or use on cd. Unless you can hit multiple targets.

[rain sierra]

@languid willow post your details thread? Wanna see breakdown of abilities please

[olive wraith]

It’ll be the same as before friend

[ember garden]

are the slayer aoe sims using rampaging ruin

[languid willow]

The log might be different let me find it

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/cx2nmzr7JbDVA3GR?fight=6&type=damage-done

Was 180k in the log

[desert jay]

can ya guys help me out 😄 i ran a dungeon with a fury warrior and im not sure what he did wrong except for dying 😛 can youi guys have quick look at the logs?https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FNctRkWdGKAvBj68?fight=3&type=damage-done

[toxic plank]

Got hc plume is it good for us?

[sullen tendon]

wtf did they do to slayer

i havent palyed thi sshit in aoe since tww

[languid willow]

I think with the Aug my details had me at 220k

[languid willow]

Here is my 19 WS too https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FT8MJXKGHPhBdVtc?fight=17&type=damage-done in case you wanted to see how other dungeons are

[dim spindle]

I don't think your username is the truth, sorry to say

[languid willow]

Huh?

[dim spindle]

You're no newbster, you can't fool me

[languid willow]

ohhh lololol

[dim spindle]

220k is the definition of crushing it, wp

[languid willow]

The big boys are much better than me

[dim spindle]

Yeah but I'm not convinced they're human

[languid willow]

Just triple the experience and organized play can make you a lot better, they also just have extreme talent

[dim spindle]

Noxxiv in action

[languid willow]

Statickw is a beast too

[verbal kestrel]

is slayer better than thane now?

[sullen tendon]

noxiv cheats by playing nelf

[languid willow]

I’m also nelf 😂

[dim spindle]

True, real warriors play basic bitch Human. So we can pretend nothing happened when we stand in something and get stunned

[sullen tendon]

cheater!

[languid willow]

I was void elf

[sullen tendon]

hoenstly though shadowmeld needs to be changed

i know its iconic

but so was arcane torrent

[languid willow]

But meld is too broken in these dungeons

[sullen tendon]

im tired of only 1 or 2 racials being OP and then its jsut everyone rerolling them

[dim spindle]

New torrent is BiS for those shielded troll dudes in caverns, though

[languid willow]

In MT it makes you take like 50% less dmg overall

[dim spindle]

Maximum laughs

[sullen tendon]

good way to kill your group lmoa

[dim spindle]

Healer's fault

[sullen tendon]

kamikaze

[languid willow]

I ignore like 3 sets of glaives and my healer loves me for it

[random shadow]

Can you meld the runic ability

?

[sand sand]

so thane in m+ and raid or just one

[sullen tendon]

im trying out slayer in dungeons and trying to get used to it in aoe and it feels eaker tha nthane still

[languid willow]

On the boss ?

[sullen tendon]

but also im fuckign shit up

[languid willow]

No you can’t

[upper mica]

So thane is viable now? RB spam is back?

[sullen tendon]

im hitting raing blow instead of whirlwind spamming

[languid willow]

Rb still sucks

[sullen tendon]

its muscel memory

[dim spindle]

You can meld a whole lot of stuff, robot beams in MT is another good one

[sullen tendon]

nothign else ogign on just hit it

but youre not suppsoed to

[random shadow]

Ayo thats huge

[dim spindle]

Beams in skyreach etc

[random shadow]

Tho I dont wanna play nelf

[languid willow]

You can pre reflect the beams and it will do the dmg back to them

In skyresch

Same with the adds before the 3rd boss in seat

[upper mica]

meld the channel in seat on the first packs too

[sullen tendon]

cnew does sunlash in MT piss you off too

[dim spindle]

Sometimes I wish there was more uninterruptible targeted casts so I can actually land a reflect now and then in pugs

So satisfying

[sullen tendon]

eatin you spell reflects for no reason

the bubble gets spell reflected

and it gives you like a 0.5 second window where you can get one shot by the aoe

[languid willow]

I wondered why the sound

Went off

When I cleared my debuff

[sullen tendon]

i havnet been able to pay attention to it whiel fighting so i dont know if it actualyl refelcts damage or not

[languid willow]

I thought for sure it was reflecting damage

[sullen tendon]

if it does it would be cool to just pop sr and run in for the heoll of it

[hardy cargo]

is having nameplates change color based on execute phase still a thing in midnight? or nah

[languid willow]

But everytime Icheck details nothing shows up

[dim spindle]

If you hear the wonderful sound effect, you did damage

[sullen tendon]

fat fucking lie

[hardy cargo]

google says yes but I cannot for the life of me find a profile that does it or find the setting myself

[dim spindle]

is it? yeah i could definitely be wrong

But it felt right

[sullen tendon]

most cases that strue

[languid willow]

Jundies

[sullen tendon]

but some things ytou can reflect jsut dont do damage

[random shadow]

Believe so

I have a line instead tho

[sullen tendon]

it reflects it but doesnt put the debuffs or anything back on the enemies

[daring tendon]

buffs good enough to go fury over arms ?

[hardy cargo]

plater or platynator? or both

[languid willow]

Have you reflected the debuff from the last boss in AA? It puts the circle under her but idk if it does anything

[dim spindle]

reflecting debuffs would be pretty sexy ngl

[languid willow]

Platynator

[sullen tendon]

yea

it doesnt do any damage

[dim spindle]

Reflecting CC is always fun

[languid willow]

Rip

[sullen tendon]

it just doesnt put it on you

[random shadow]

Blizzard would nerf us so bad

[languid willow]

Saves me from putting a pool under my ass it

[sullen tendon]

i wish more things were reflectable

[languid willow]

Ig

[sullen tendon]

it was fun having that niche

now all you can reflect are sunbeams and bolt spammers

reflecting the yazma debuff in atal

[upper mica]

so with the buffs has anything changed rotation / spec wise?

[sullen tendon]

for 3529714813240328917 dam

[dim spindle]

One of these days I will be able to reflect death bolt vs ick and krick. And it will be glorious

[sullen tendon]

ive had this happe na few times and its awesome

[languid willow]

#updates-midnight message

[past pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[sullen tendon]

and then the rest of hte times i pop spell reflect and type in chat DONT KICK IT and then someone kicks it at 0.5 seconds left on cast

[dim spindle]

The sad truth

[upper mica]

haha apologies thankyou gentlemen!

[sullen tendon]

there should be an addon that everyoen has to download that disables your kick automatically if a reflectable ability is casting on a warrior and they ahve sr up

its an anti bot

it stops you from doing shit

or they should add a new cast bar appearence that actually tells people its being casted into spell reflect

so peopel dont insta kick it as usual

[hot shell]

Thats a heavy dream youre having

[dim spindle]

We could call it "Strong Auras"

[wheat kindle]

How’s fury feeling after the buff?

[languid willow]

You do more dmg get the same amount of no invites to pugs unless you happen to walk into a phys comp

[wheat kindle]

One day we will be the man

[tawny turtle]

Anyone try slayer out in raid today with the buffs yet?

[ebon solstice]

so i am an arms player and playing fury slayer now but when i sim zuljin enchants and master haste gems on my rings over my current haste/crit gems and eyes of the eagle enchants it sims much lower but i barely have any mastery

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m1cArW7Vw77HgwTanW5eM4 https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6Cv8TVuuqYUtTJopYfBdLZ

[sly merlin]

it’s like 600k dmg it’s so sex

[ebon solstice]

these are my 2 sims

also is anyone else not using puzzle box even though it sims higher lol

[sly merlin]

eyes of the eagle op

[sudden tusk]

puzzle box blow up

[ornate ibex]

puzzle box 🤢 🤢

fraud trinket

[ebon solstice]

yeah i have hunger

i think im just gonna use that instead

[digital fern]

whats Fury slayer single target rotation whilst in m+ build please im doin bad dps have mostly arms gear i guess

[hoary tartan]

wowhead

[daring granite]

would u guys take heroic gaze over mythic tier piece?

[unkempt oasis]

Is mythic dreamrift in the cards?

[winter shoal]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[woven valley]

Sim both and take the better one ☝️

[wispy mural]

I got myth puzzle box in vault T-T I don't want it

[daring granite]

that's crazy bro, I love puzzy b

[unkempt dagger]

So we still dont play rampaging ruin

Its kinda sad

Cool lookin talent

[undone flower]

Eagle eye are the best ring enchants on all specs in the game

Since they buffed it

[solemn trench]

Did Slayer return or is Thane still stronger in AoE?

[oak pecan]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[olive wraith]

What channel should I look for new information pertaining to class balances

[subtle iron]

Maybe the Pally discord does that? We just zug here

[sullen tendon]

spent my vault on bonus roll. Either I get ring fron nexus or myth upgrades in 2 tier slots or a cape or a waste it on trinket and I guarentee it next week