fury

[sullen tendon]

But this is a general priority list

[wind ether]

yeah i don’t think simc is designed to sim that sort of thing

but the apl is basically what your raidbots dps is running

you can also make your own apl on raidbots

and if it’s higher dps with 15 targets

then you’ll know

[warm crag]

it is you just gotta write the apl for it

[smoky vale]

which no one wants to do

[graceful mural]

Maybe this is a stupid way of understanding it but here’s my rough understanding:

Optimizing for damage in the downtime of your rotation is kind of not important when you have Anger Management. You can optimize for rage spent and get those buttons back up sooner. How do you optimize for rage spent? Efficiently and effectively using IWW stacks and Thunder Blast procs

[smoky vale]

over mickey mouse gains

[wind ether]

what he’s asking isn’t that hard you could just put a random like actions=+/rampage,if=active_enemies>10 anywhere in that prio list

[sullen tendon]

I’m just trying to figure out how to get 15k+ overall dps at the end of these keys that nox and statik somehow get.

[wind ether]

above tclap

[warm crag]

optimizing for anger management IS optimizing for damage which inherently also means optimizing the "downtime" of your rotation idk how else to interpret your statement

[warm crag]

idk sounds to me like youre thunder clapping when you dont need to outside of avatar? might want to review the rotation prio and vod review your keys and those of noxiv and whoever

[sullen tendon]

I am trying to avoid blaming the tank and other dps. The key I ran had grey parse unholy and ret but they both did like 20k more than my overall still.

[tardy lark]

i feel like you should try that then

[sullen tendon]

There’s only like 10 fury parses for most 19-20 keys im just comparing overall damage and casts and gear

[wind ether]

i do

i made this last season

https://youtu.be/zxu4SgpSPtM?si=cMJDpPjMnKZTMIR4

stuns and defensives and everything

[wind ether]

its probably routing

check the other dps aoe

[sullen tendon]

Yea

[wind ether]

it should be proportional

[tardy lark]

im confused what that is trying to convey

[sullen tendon]

I assume nox and statikks groups are doing giant 3pack pulls every now and then

With little mobs

[spark coral]

whats your dungeon times like compared to them?

[vast haven]

Yea you just shouldn't directly compare dps numbers if you arent running the same route

[clever belfry]

balls

[sullen tendon]

Many minutes slower

But I’m also pugging

[spark coral]

then its route for sure

[warm crag]

did you hit a target dummy once and compare that to simdps

n=1 goes insanely hard

[spark coral]

if you had comparable times and casts then it would be something to dig into

[wind ether]

it’s compared to single target patchwerk

literally a target dummy with overrides

[sullen tendon]

We have comparable casts but the key times are vastly different

[warm crag]

yes your sample size is 1

[radiant plank]

too based

[dense copper]

guys weird question, never knew it since years. What is that visual proc with the red "(" ")" marks. I know its related to rampage in a way.

[wind ether]

it’s a pvp apl

[spark coral]

and comparable casts over longer periods will lead ot lower dps

[sullen tendon]

I didn’t think of that honestly

[wind ether]

ur always single target for arena last season as slayer

[sullen tendon]

Fast key times means less dps to lose

[radiant plank]

pvp players vs pve opener (they wont press a defensive)

[warm crag]

you most certainly dont play the same rotation in pvp as you do in pve and i see no custom APL you entered

[spark coral]

yep same reason why guilds that go ham on bosses have better parses than the odd really good player in bad guilds

[radiant plank]

went to 1800 in s2 TWW by going stormbolt pve opener on repeat

[tardy lark]

i think he did the custom part in the hekili setup

without knowing how hekili actually works on my part

[wind ether]

well my apl has impending victory, storm bolt, shock wave, spell reflect, stance dancing, etc

hekili lets you import an apl

or it did

[warm crag]

ok but where did you plug it into raidbots or is this an n=1 comparison to a target dummy sim

[wind ether]

it’s not a good comparison to raidbots regardless

because simc doesn’t support pvp coefficient overrides anyway

[warm crag]

it seems like it does or

[wind ether]

it doesn’t

[warm crag]

thats what you did in the advanced sim settings

[wind ether]

what

[warm crag]

you wrote this and it didnt crash the sim

[wind ether]

oh pvp=1 just nerfs crit dmg

like in pvp

it doesn’t do anything else

it would have been even less accurate then

since you’d need to scale_to_itemlevel=

for an accurate comparison regardless

lmfao

[warm crag]

so this is effectively an n=1 comparison of a target dummy sim vs you hitting a target dummy

with a pve APL plugged into raidbots while playing your pvp rotation

[wind ether]

yes

[warm crag]

interesting

[smoky vale]

pvp apl is just hamstring

and then do pve

what

[warm crag]

dont think you played pvp the same as pve that season but i also dont know how youd play onslaught last season in pve

[smoky vale]

on cd

[wind ether]

onslaught off cd

before burst

[warm crag]

trying to burst someone down is different than doing sustained damage or smth like that idk idc

[smoky vale]

bro how is fuyr gonna feel without it

...

i miss

[wind ether]

well that pvp apl was good but it’s also way simpler

[warm crag]

[wind ether]

the simc pve apls are extremely advanced

pvp apl dmg wise is very simple

it’s mainly utility and defensives that make it cool

[smoky vale]

the best part about pvp is getting kited

[tardy lark]

how tf do you model defensives in a simulated fight against a target going 100->0% hp over 5 +-20% min fight time

[wind ether]

you wouldn’t that’s why they’re turned off for that vid

[warm crag]

press spell reflect every 24 seconds

[wind ether]

but you could too

[tardy lark]

i guess i just dont know how hekili works lol

[wind ether]

you can create enemy actors with their own instructions if you really wanted to

[tardy lark]

yeah im aware

but that doesnt simulate cc chains or not being able to cast bt during enraged regen

its like trying to actually create bossfight sims

seems good on paper

[wind ether]

like this for example

actions+=/storm_bolt,if=buff.bladestorm.up&target.distance>=8
actions+=/shockwave,if=target.distance<=7&(buff.recklessness.up|buff.avatar.up|target.health.pct<=50)
actions+=/impending_victory,if=(buff.defensive_stance.up&health.pct<=50)|(buff.berserker_stance.up&health.pct<=70)

you’d ideally put a DR check somewhere

[tardy lark]

so it just throws stormbolt when target is out of range

[wind ether]

and bladestorm up

because you can’t do anything else in bladestorm

and your target isn’t getting blade stormed

[tardy lark]

that seems not very smart in real world scenarios

but looks good in sim number

[wind ether]

it’s not active in sims

[clever belfry]

actions+=/impending_victory,if=(buff.defensive_stance.up&health.pct<=50)|(buff.berserker_stance.up&health.pct<=70)

u need to get a grip

[tardy lark]

im so confused why its there then

[wind ether]

ohhh

[clever belfry]

what youre trying to model is not realistic to model, in the slightest

[wind ether]

because hekili reads that as your actual

[tardy lark]

is it just for hekili to actually enable the button

[wind ether]

ingame target

as a player

[clever belfry]

theres is infinitely too many factors

[wind ether]

that’s how you played in arena last season

[smoky vale]

good meowning

[wind ether]

you’ll die if you don’t impending like that

[tardy lark]

huh

[clever belfry]

yes, but how do you accurately simulate incoming damage?

right.

;)

[wind ether]

you don’t

[strong monolith]

just dont sim

learn to read

its that easy

[warm crag]

what is the written stuff based on..

[strong monolith]

Im talking about your stats

Just know

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/lead-not-read-simpsons-movie-wolfcastle-elected-gif-8235963410818631695

[radiant plank]

My feelings

[warm crag]

what does this mean

[warm crag]

true

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339461745682939904/1489669174232875118/1748847728502585a.gif

[wind ether]

you can do things like disarm,if= target.pillar_of_frost.up

or spell reflect if target.casting polymorph, clone, chaos bolt, glacial spike

or even use variables to make a heuristic danger detection system based off if your own healer has trinket and is off dr and enemy rogue has a full kidney smoke bomb blades then pop defensives

but it’s a bit extra

no trinket*

[clever belfry]

ive done some useless stuff in my life

but man this is

something else buddy

[wind ether]

nothing in wow is useful

[smoky vale]

wrong

io is eternal

[tardy lark]

until next season

[fleet yarrow]

So far the highest i've done in m+

[clever belfry]

false

[smoky vale]

it is on the website

[clever belfry]

@smoky vale grip

[smoky vale]

i got castorice 😄

now i need to get her weapon before it goes away

[clever belfry]

pulling reruns

[smoky vale]

💣 🔥 🐉

[warm crag]

@dapper goblet dream creature taking a nap next to an arabic man urn depository technique thoughts?

[supple axle]

Is there a soft cap of haste we should be hitting before going into mastery? I feel like I am at around 21-23%

[warm crag]

not really, just sim your character and trust that

[brittle crow]

fish..

[warm crag]

my compass

[smoky vale]

@covert blaze awake check

@clever belfry did you renovate your room

[clever belfry]

what does this mean

[smoky vale]

in hsr

[clever belfry]

i dont play that game

[smoky vale]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-trying-to-not-laugh-speed-holding-laugh-speed-laughing-speed-laugh-gif-242565803459391828

[ember falcon]

should I sim Dungeon slice or 5 target for M+ on fury thane

[sly merlin]

5tar

[wary salmon]

Wtf is with all the 57s…

[olive wraith]

They’re invading

[burnt oxide]

Atleast 1 of from the evil number

[astral path]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1044053532866773052/1253374913453228152/togif.gif

[undone flower]

🫴
🫴
57

[vast token]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gif-2665742826959095609

Rend gang

[covert blaze]

what up

was working out

[smoky vale]

it might be too early to send the 19

[burnt oxide]

[covert blaze]

in like 2 hours

[last crown]

Is slayer going to be better for M+ now with the buffs?

[smoky vale]

hard to know

but likely not

[last crown]

https://tenor.com/view/tourbiflo-florian-spin-sword-gif-16098095

One day

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

Can play either tbh

[winter axle]

Is Slayer the play now or still MT?

[wispy thistle]

they are close but MT is more consistent instead of relying on reap procs

[winter axle]

I like MT, thunder clap makes me happy

[wispy thistle]

if we are talking about AOE that is

[winter axle]

I mean, there aren't very many single target raid bosses these days

[wispy thistle]

depends on your group but most adds get blown up so fast it doesnt matter

[dusky charm]

Anyone knows that when I sim droptimizer for M10 void forge, why it only shows me weapons and trinkets? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a3Wjyy2skp8E5rqgNpN2dB

[upbeat creek]

cause you can only Voidforge wep/trink

[winter axle]

and thats next week anyways, not tomorrow 😄

[dusky charm]

from keys u only get wep and trinkets?

[winter axle]

You can only use the Ascendant Voidforge on Weapons and Trinkets that are 6/6 Hero, Mythic or Crafted

[upbeat creek]

voidforge is a weekly quest, at 4 you’ll be able to upgrade one of your items

It won’t be a drop like bonus rolls

[remote kernel]

I'm converting from Arms to Fury for m+. Looking at stats it looks like people are running ~1000 mastery and haste with ~450 crit. Is that intended? Or just the gear they have

[winter axle]

I kind of understood once you unlock them, they will drop like the Dawnforged Manaflux, am I wrong?

[sullen dove]

who knows imagine they gotta be somewhat repeatably gained though cuz people use multiple trinkets and possibly weapons between diff specs

[upbeat creek]

figured it’d just be one Voidforge every 4 weeks, don’t know

[fleet garden]

Mastery -> haste -> crit is the guide recommendation yeah

[sullen dove]

that’s def crazy and almost certainly not

upgrade 3 pieces 9 weeks from now when seasons over

[winter axle]

Yeah that cannot be correct lol

[sullen dove]

figure the 4 week is just “unlock it” then whatever acquisition method after

[fleet garden]

It's what the sims tell me to do even though I have a very nice crit myth ring

[upbeat creek]

I mean I’ll be happy if it’s easier to acquire more, haven’t seen a lot of actual info yet

[brittle crow]

aaaaaaaaaa

LET ME BUY YOUR CONTROLLER GABE NEWELL

[fleet garden]

Oooooooo fuck

Forgot about that, fucking scalpers are going to get all of them

[scarlet swift]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5xQin9qFnUQVEjmuUek5nE How do we know if we shouldnt play Champ Spear if it doesnt show in the sims when spec'd?

[sullen dove]

shall we read the tool tip and recognize it does actually 0 damage now

[olive wraith]

Just keep simming

[sullen dove]

or close to 0 at least

[brittle crow]

sim doesnt use abilities that do 0 damage

how do you know we shouldnt use slam if the sim doesnt use it?

[olive wraith]

Well we can’t use slam

[scarlet swift]

zero?

[sullen dove]

pretty close to 0

but yeah maybe it’s just not even included in the apl to be pressed

[fleet garden]

That's nothing for a 90 second button

[sullen dove]

regardless it’s definitely not worth taking

for anything other than PvP utility maybe

[scarlet swift]

Thats fine if its not, just weird (to me) that its not even included a little

[olive wraith]

Why?

It’s a waste of a talent

[sullen dove]

it rly shouldn’t be capstone lvl anymore

[scarlet swift]

dropping stance mastery for it, was a 500 dps loss

[sullen dove]

might be fun to take it if it was further up

[scarlet swift]

meaning over 5 minutes, stance mastery gave us 500 dps, and the spear doing 12k every 90 seconds, should behigher?

[olive wraith]

No

Auto attacks are still decent

[scarlet swift]

sims says its 500 dps

[fleet yarrow]

autos are great

[olive wraith]

Ok?

[sullen tendon]

12k over 90 seconds is worth like 0.05 bloodthirsts

[hardy cargo]

12k every 90s is 133 dps

[olive wraith]

It also costs a gcd

[sullen dove]

can just… divide 12000 by 90 yea

[olive wraith]

So you’d only ever cast it when you’re forced to rb probably

[sullen tendon]

Casting tclap once in aoe is like 4x that damage

Spear is just utility now but we don’t take it because there are barely any scenarios where it’s useful

Or there are better alternatives

[scarlet swift]

spear alleria for when leapi is on CD Kekw

[sullen tendon]

Oh yea I forgot it has a leap now

[scarlet swift]

but ya, just something weird i saw, didnt mean to make it an ordeal

[sullen tendon]

Still useless

Why would you run spear when you can run intervene

[opaque mortar]

Anywhere to see sims/math for single target slurry vs slarms, with the upcoming buffs to execute? I saw the expected % change to each but I meant raw number comparisons

[sullen dove]

yea I mean fun flavor but should be somewhere higher on the tree if u rly want to use it

capstones by nature just kinda require u pick the best dmg talents cuz that’s where they all are

higher in the tree less important talents or at least have some room to play around with points

[olive wraith]

The capstone area is already super tight

[sullen tendon]

I don’t understand the logic behind apex talents still

They are either strong and you will never not take them using up the extra talent points they gave us. Or they are too weak and you never take them because your regular talents are way stronger than them.

[olive wraith]

I think they were supposed to give an identity to specs

[sullen tendon]

Seems like a waste of talent points

[olive wraith]

But fell flat

[sullen tendon]

Honestly I think they should go back to adding new abilities every expansion

That felt good

You get ability bloat but then you just prune the ones no one uses anymore like slam or spear

[surreal wedge]

Wow gamers will almost always just use what's optimal. The only chance they had to make em a choice was balance them nothing half a % of no apex builds.

Which is a hard task to do

[sullen dove]

don’t think they’re that different than hero talents, just extra points you will always have put into them, only diff is like you pick between 2 hero talents for situations

but pretty sure most if not every apex is just the best 4 talent points to pick for their classes

[regal aurora]

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Best we can do is try not to look lol

[olive wraith]

Ya they’re basically just strong talents

[sullen dove]

maybe a few exceptions but they should be strong

[sullen tendon]

It’s not your right. The only difference is hero talents are mandatory and you can’t swap out their points for actual skill tree points but you can for apex talents

[surreal wedge]

But that being said, will the ~10% for fury make us not feel so absolutely dogwater single target? It's weird in dungeons pulling like almost 100k consistently on aoe and then falling down to like 40k ST.

[sullen dove]

yea u have the choice for apex i guess but not really cuz they still op

[sullen tendon]

For most specs

[sullen dove]

it’s definitely fat failure if ur a spec that doesn’t take full apex tho lol

[sullen tendon]

But stuff like mw and enh it’s not as good

[sullen dove]

like arms old a4 was so ass

[sullen tendon]

But they have very strong talents to make up for it

[sullen dove]

then changed it to like cs dmg or something instead of cdr

[olive wraith]

Fury apex was also ass before lol

[sullen dove]

Yea I mean it’s still pretty shit tbf

[olive wraith]

More for playstyle then numbers iirc

But still

[sullen dove]

but better than other stuff at least

[sullen tendon]

I still don’t like the fury apex

[olive wraith]

It’s boring but quite strong comparatively I thought

[regal aurora]

Tbh the apex talents were just a way to try and add flavor. If they were to simply tack the apex talents onto the tree just like any other talent, it would be weird

[sullen dove]

idk 50 rage rampage just feels dumb

[olive wraith]

Ya kinda weird

[sullen dove]

like that’s one of the big reasons it forced into ramp>tc spam 57 times in cds

if it was normal rage cost ramp u actually hit bb more

[olive wraith]

Maybe they wanted us to like spam ramp in cooldowns

[sullen dove]

and just make berserk stacks give more strength per ramp

[sullen tendon]

If you are going to add new talents they have to actually do something. Our apex is literally just a stat buff that lowers rage cost and doesn’t do anything cool. Enhance has the opposite problem where their apex lacks in damage but has a cool effect that leaves lighting pools on the ground.

I don’t want more raging blow talents

Enough damage increases

[olive wraith]

Well this is a huge issue with fury in general I think

[surreal wedge]

Gonna bump this question

[regal aurora]

I think the fury apex is cool, I think it fits the theme of a rampaging berserker. But I understand your point

[sullen tendon]

Reap the storm is literally just bladestorm animation

[sullen dove]

What dungeon are you doing 100k on aoe and 40k on st

or are you Ilvl like… 2..

fury one of the better m+ single target dps

[surreal wedge]

Magisters mostly. Since I was running for weapon I just got 1. Ilvl was like 256?

[burnt oxide]

Reap ist just a bladestorm tick whike being actionable

[sullen dove]

not as high aoe ceiling ofc to make up for it

[surreal wedge]

Maybe weapon dif

[sullen tendon]

The apex talent should be like when you get to a certain amount of rampage stacks you let out a giant aoe rampage with a sweet animation

[sullen dove]

yea I mean should assume would be able to do a bit more than 40k st but maybe gear is a bit low

you like hitting rampage and bb/bt on cooldown basically

those r ur top 2/3 damaging buttons most of the time

[regal aurora]

I’m having a moment, what is bb?

[sullen tendon]

Bloodbath

[sullen dove]

bloodbath

[surreal wedge]

Yeah I was doin that and trying to not overlap thunder blast

[regal aurora]

Duh

[sullen tendon]

The augmented version of bloodthirsty

[regal aurora]

Yeah lol

[surreal wedge]

Also never hitting execute basically in cooldowns which felt weird

[sullen dove]

yea shouldn’t be playing too wrong then maybe just some unfortunate trinkets or stats or something

yea thane rarely does xd

[surreal wedge]

Oh yeah my trinks are absolutely dogshit lol one sec

[sullen dove]

But if ur familiar with raid bots can try to sim character there and see what it thinks you should be doing

Like a dummy sim would be more fitting for m+ boss probably don’t have full raid buffs

[sullen tendon]

Just get rid of rampaging ruin and throw it on the apex tree as a passive that every time you gain 3 stacks you let out a rampaging ruin not replacing your rampage.

[sullen dove]

ya could be somewhat neat pmuch what survival apex is

Raptor strike randomly becomes aoe and owns sometimes doin like 3-4x dmg or something

[sullen tendon]

What’s theirs

[surreal wedge]

Those are my trinks 😂

[regal aurora]

Pray for me boys. My guild hasn’t seen a single heart drop, hoping I get it in my vault tomorrow

[sullen dove]

yea not fantastic trinkets for sure

[dense elbow]

Not bad, not good

[sullen dove]

also realizing maybe if you haven’t enchanted your gear that’s probably 10% or so dps gain

[surreal wedge]

I simmed after getting my myth weapon and it put me at 45k, and I did 47k on dummies over 2 minutes so seems accurate

[sullen dove]

yea u seem to be playing well then just yea need to try to get better/more fitting gear

[graceful mural]

I’m peeved we have the bloodlust icon and we don’t have bloodlust

[surreal wedge]

I think it may just be a gear dif where aoe is more raw output

[sullen dove]

stuff with more haste mastery and enchants and consumables and stuff maybe

[surreal wedge]

Yeah once my enchanter gets some concentration I'm gonna slap acuity on the weapon since it's magisters myth I doubt I'll replace it

[sullen dove]

real

if you haven’t upgraded it yet or haven’t crafted would say craft myth first

Then myth weap upgrades to same ilvl for free

[surreal wedge]

I did upgrade it

[sullen dove]

u got crafted offhand? Or naw

[surreal wedge]

Nah not yet

[sullen dove]

if don’t a little unfortunate but not the end of the world just minus 80 crests but prolly be a long time before u can even use all of them

[surreal wedge]

Will probably roll for another myth weapon next week since I burnt my 4

[sullen dove]

yea maybe better atp

and make 2 285 arcanoweaves or something on cape/bracer

probably similar enough to hunt weapon

[surreal wedge]

I mean, in the end it's the same crest spent, since I had a heroic weapon I got it to 6 for 20 crests, and saved an upgrade on my myth weapon

So maxing it out was also 80

And an extra 4 ilvl

[sullen dove]

yea if you upgrade a 2nd myth weap it’s fine you don’t waste anything

it’s just upgrading > then crafting is pretty bad

but if u don’t craft a weapon not a problem

[surreal wedge]

Yeah I wasn't gonna haha

I think I'll try to sneak into pit 10s and reroll for that hammer or whatever

[sullen dove]

truer

[surreal wedge]

Then I'll go back and finish off magisters for ring and boots

Then I'll roll chimerus

Then voracious

[sullen dove]

[surreal wedge]

And by then the season will be over and none of it will mater

Next one I'll start working on an alt a bit earlier. Even tho my fucking main still doesn't have BiS trinks

Fucking vaelgors

[strong monolith]

Ill never get gaze

[dense elbow]

I get gaze next week

[strong monolith]

LC?

[dense elbow]

LC?

[strong monolith]

Loot Concil?

[dense elbow]

Nah, bonus roll guarentee

[strong monolith]

Oh. I used all mine on dungeons to fill myth slots

[burnt oxide]

I bonus rolled after having it in vault

[strong monolith]

I downed Myth Dream this week so heres to hoping

a vault gaze will be sick

[burnt oxide]

I hate that bonusroll protection dont extend to gear you already possess

But still better than whatever mop rolls are

[strong monolith]

a spriest wouldnt take 2m gold for the gaze that dropped off of myth dream yesterday

and he had a heroic one

fucker

[sullen tendon]

I’m not bonus rolling of vorasius trinket this week

I’m gonna spend my rolls on nexus

For rings

[burnt oxide]

I simmed them but they were kinda not better than my heroic rings

[strong monolith]

I got acadamy ring in vault last week. I was so thrilled

[sullen tendon]

I’ve got every haste mastery ring and my nexus point rings aim higher than all of them

[burnt oxide]

Simmed worse than my haste ring from chandalier

But not sure if i simmed heroic nexus ring

[sullen tendon]

Sometimes I just go by awesomeness factor

Damage procs on non trinket gear = awesome bonus

[burnt oxide]

I prefer stat cantrips

Does not loose value on multi target that way

[sullen tendon]

That’s the mindset that got us in this situation in the first place

[smoky vale]

hi meowish

i finished my room

[burnt oxide]

I liked jester ring

[sullen tendon]

People liked arcsnocrystal and random roll nether light crucible trinkets with raw stats too much and now blizzard only gives us stat procs

I want discordant chorus back

[burnt oxide]

Arcanocrystal is not a cantrip tho

[sullen tendon]

Give me my fel cleave

It’s stats

Stats = boring

Damage proc/on use = fun and cool

[burnt oxide]

Well those rings effect are still boring

Same as voidclaws

[sullen tendon]

Wrong

[burnt oxide]

Give me something flashy

[sullen tendon]

I want another mechagon trinket

Turbo laser blast

[burnt oxide]

Like manaforge first boss trinket

[sullen tendon]

Destroy bosses

Everyone laser on pull and delete half the bosses health

[willow cradle]

Damage prices don't really interact with how you play at all though, they just happen in the background.

On use I can understand but cantrip rings like the ones we currently have don't do anything impactful on our play.

At least stats can impact gameplay.

[young swan]

trinket design has mostly sucked across the board since legion

[bitter palm]

ows had aura

[young swan]

font of power was cool too

[fresh creek]

fursy so scuffed for ST 🙁

[young swan]

razor coral as well

[coarse nest]

Razor coral owner

[young swan]

grieftorch was kinda interesting as well?

[worn rain]

inkpod also was unique

eternal palace overall has peak trinkets

[young swan]

it was but it was only like really good because of coral

so i attribute most of the "interesting" to coral

[worn rain]

I mean idea cool af

[young swan]

cause it was the enabler for pretty much everything

[olive wraith]

Greiftorch has the perfect name too

[young swan]

but yeah EP was quite good on trinket design

probably the last tier where we had like really good trinkets

before we got into the issue of everyone wanting the exact same trinkets every tier

[worn rain]

[young swan]

granted, EP also kinda had that issue

[worn rain]

tbqh in legion it was the same

but trinkets where good

Convergence of Fates/Draught of Souls my beloved

[young swan]

eh not to the same extent

[vast haven]

EP trinkets also had the issue of they were so good that you wore them well into Nyalotha prog or even until SL. Not sure why they never nerfed them tbh

[young swan]

there was like

[worn rain]

it happened multiple times before

[young swan]

1 shared trinket per stat type

[worn rain]

hunter trinket from EN

convergence for warriors

[young swan]

like everyone that could use cof wanted cof, everyone that could use frond wanted frond, everyone that could use whispers wanted whispers

but all to varying degrees

and there was hardly any overlap on the second trinket

[worn rain]

true chimerus/loomi trinket broad demand sucks

[young swan]

i think for draught it was only like

sin, warr, unholy

that wanted it

[worn rain]

palas also used it early

[young swan]

yeah i seem to recall that actually

but it was head and shoulders best for warrior

[drowsy heron]

less than 24 hrs until our buffs!!!!!!!!!!!

[stoic loom]

I still think about ashvane coral sometimes

[fringe citrus]

guys im on mythic crown now , do you belive arms is better?

slayer arms maybe]

I have turbo low dps as thane

[drowsy heron]

i ususally run Slayer Fury for Crown

tho i dont do Mythic

[vast haven]

Crown is basically a ST/split cleave fight. Probably try at least slayer fury

[fringe citrus]

I cant slot enraged

remove massacre in st is crime

[sullen dove]

probably sooner get rid of iww

there’s like 10-15 seconds of 2t cleave in p3 but anything else probably irrelevant

[fringe citrus]

but

for adds in p1 and adds in p2

you cant idk

[sullen dove]

Yea I mean p1 adds don’t count on logs presumably your group more than fine at killing them and p2 adds are even more worthless they die in actually 2 seconds

But shouldn’t necessarily need enraged regen anyway

nerfs next week also make it like way easier probably

[fringe citrus]

very much needed

[sullen dove]

not sure if there were any damage reduction nerfs tho

maybe it’s just health nerfs

[fringe citrus]

shit goes down you get obelisk and arrow

you are dead

[sullen dove]

yea I mean you can just use some stuff

d stance

impending victory/spell reflect

got a lot of tools to survive stuff I think

only time ur really fucked is if u get a fat heal absorb on you on top of other mechanics that shit killed me a lot

“Oh this dps is at 30% hp with a 1 mil heal absorb… he doesnt need a dispel surely”

cluegi

[tawdry sage]

anyone know what the best alt would be that feels similar to fury? (requires not too many brain cells) could be melle or ranged

[worn rain]

[sullen dove]

idk think devourer pretty easy to play led to believe it has like 4 total buttons

But demo lock pretty simple too I think

[worn rain]

havoc ain't that far off

bm maybe?

[boreal pebble]

so next update fury or arms?

for M+

[sullen dove]

arms in the highest of keys but fury should be closing gap a little

still fine to fury if u want

[boreal pebble]

i am arms now

[vast haven]

Devourer is braindead af but apparently people dont know how to do dam as it.

[boreal pebble]

should reroll to fury or i am fine with arms

[olive wraith]

Play what you want

[rigid chasm]

super good for rogue too

legendary shoulders meant you would get auto crit for the full duration

[fast sigil]

In what cases do you recommend using the powerful enrage talent?

[olive wraith]

Probably never at this point

[bitter palm]

survival

[young swan]

yeah thats why i listed sin

[olive wraith]

Or if you struggle with high haste amounts

[young swan]

but it was still just worse than it was for fury

by like a lot

[rigid chasm]

oh I misread

but it was very good for sub too

[young swan]

yeah but sub didnt get play until tos

[rigid chasm]

it was REALLY close for a lot of nighthold

I played it for a lot of nighthold because I got legendary-locked

[young swan]

[bitter palm]

👴

we get it unc

[rigid chasm]

and then swapped to sin once I finally got the legendaries I needed, and then didn't have the right sub legendaries once it was better again in ToS

legion was great in many ways, but the legendary system had....issues

[bitter palm]

legion arm...

[young swan]

i just fuckin wish they'd bring back unhinged cleave

shits so boring as a ST effect

[bitter palm]

i wish

we werent df design

i wish arms could just drop 2 random ahh talents and pick up all of its aoe

instead of dropping ur core st ttalents to pick up 9 aoe talents

[olive wraith]

Make warrior

[formal ravine]

Especially with RA would be so much fun

As in current iteration

[thorny zenith]

Ret

[thorny zenith]

Devour has a very high skill ceiling and most ppl arent close lol

[dim spindle]

Pick up crucible in voidstorm and upgrade it via the quests ASAP. It's better than it has any right to be, hard to replace until you get myth trinkets and even then there's only a few

With the exception of heroic gaze and maybe the big boi crit proc one I don't remember the name of

[surreal wedge]

the heart from voracious?

[dim spindle]

And plume (?)

[surreal wedge]

oh that one

[dim spindle]

yes that one

[surreal wedge]

I didn't know the crucible was that good

I'll check it out

[dim spindle]

I'm a retired ex raider that luckboxed a heroic gaze from the first mythic dungeon weekly. Still riding that high

But I'm having a hard time replacing crucible

[dim spindle]

The high uptime and +10% movement speed makes it a pretty enjoyable trinket besides the straight up damage boost

[surreal wedge]

I'll get it done real quick, the upgrades I think I should be able to get all 4 done by tomorrow

[dim spindle]

zoom zoom is always good

[surreal wedge]

since it'll be 2 today and 2 after reset

oh huh, yeah looks like about 1% increase over what I have

[dim spindle]

You may be able to just do all the quests in one day, but don't quote me on that

[surreal wedge]

after upgrades

unless they changed it it's 2 per week

[dim spindle]

You only have to do the first 4 upgrades on the console thingie IIRC

[surreal wedge]

since it's 3 world quests weekly and 1 from box weekly

yeah

[dim spindle]

Ohh that's true, the WQ thing

Also the neck from the pvp quests is damn good for fury. 8 training grounds bgs in a row and gg

Just watch out for the arathi basin bots. They outplay 80% of human players I swear

They don't fuck around

[dim spindle]

That ring is just badass. Jelly

[dim spindle]

Nexus ring procs are certainly impactful when they decide to shoot off to a random pack 40 yards away in m+. Though that may have been fixed already

[fickle vector]

NGL I’m pumped to play around with the buffs tomorrow, hope we see some good improvements on thane single target to make it feel better to select over slayer in mythic+ runs (I know it probably won’t be better than slayer ST but maybe higher than tank damage lol)

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[sly merlin]

thane st is acurally pretty decent in m+

[olive wraith]

Afaik Colo is the only one with tank st in keys

[oblique thistle]

When the tank doesn't pull trash onto the boss

[indigo arch]

ngl I could do with thane passing colo

Feels like a chore to play at times

just does so much aoe

[lost reef]

Love this game

[indigo arch]

brown class moment

[lost reef]

Yess sir

[crude crater]

.4% is super impactful!

[olive wraith]

Dps moment *

[lost reef]

i can bet my left arm that i am either dh or dk with this rio and i get invted to all of this groups

[split elk]

what do u guys think about the change? is slayer gonna be better in m+? or mt still rules

[young swan]

colossus >~ thane > slarms ~ slurry

something like that

[split elk]

shait

the exact opposite of what i want

[young swan]

colossus only better if you have an organized comp that will get u funnel on every boss it can

[indigo arch]

Tuning won't make colo arms not blast fury with "proper" big pulls and funnel

[spare steppe]

I would also say the gap between between thane and slayer is much smaller

[indigo arch]

keyword, group yea

Might statswap back to fury shit and go fury since I don't have a 5stack

[young swan]

its better because it does more damage on everything and because its more consistent

[indigo arch]

Miss not having positionals and just clapping

slayer icky cancelauraing too

nty

[young swan]

like thane is just better

it doesnt necessarily need to be by a lot or a little

[indigo arch]

I'd go nuts if they made slayer tuned like s3

constant spinning

blasting shit all day

probably the most fun fury's been in keys in years

[young swan]

they just need to stop being stupid and add the 2pc as a hero talent

[indigo arch]

outside of like, bfa fury

legion fury was rad with elisande too

[modest condor]

pretty sure slurry will be miles ahead of slarms

[loud field]

hi warriors how we doing

[young swan]

yeah that was the only one i wasnt sure about

[frank dawn]

I was about to ask lol. slarms seems pretty bad in M+ and slurry seems fine lol

[young swan]

slarms feels great to me atm

nice in-between

also just better than colossus if you're pugging shit cause its not as reliant on big, long pulls

[frank dawn]

to be fair, I guess I haven't actually tried slarms in M+. It just didn't seem like it would be that great.

[young swan]

its solid

[olive wraith]

Yes if you were the most overpowered dps your chances of being invited goes up

[modest condor]

slarms is just a worse thury

you dont have the aoe of colarms and you dont have the st of fury

[young swan]

yeah pretty much

[winter shoal]

Bro said thury

It's fountain

[modest condor]

you're a fountain

[winter shoal]

Real

[bitter palm]

and way squishier

[young swan]

fontaine

[modest condor]

chaudfontaine

[olive wraith]

Fountain of knowledge

[surreal wedge]

question, until I get a bit more comfortable with the rotation(I have a bad habit of bar staring until I do) how much of a loss is it to send both thunderblasts in cooldowns and just react to procs?

In single target

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/headpatsforklee-furina-genshin-zenless-zone-zero-gif-15426465366261901887

[worn rain]

1 No one gonna tell you exact numbers

2 It is bad idea to make compromises when you learning new class/spec

[olive wraith]

If you’re good with modifying apl you could check yourself

Wild guess is it’s probably not a huge loss

[fresh creek]

witch next weeks buff will arms still be better for raiding?

[surreal wedge]

I am not good at that, and that's a fair counterpoint

[fringe vale]

Arms us better for raiding now? I though it was used only in a couple bosses due to coloarms

[slim coral]

that's a crazy name

[fresh creek]

feel like guild is nagging me to go arms 😄

[fringe vale]

Which fight tho

[fresh creek]

cosmos

and vang but death now anyway so doesnt atter more

[fringe vale]

Vang 100% u go coloarms

Cosmos i just got there so idk

I might just go slayer fury for the st

[warm crag]

@young swan can you get it done please

[rich dune]

Maybe dumb question but:

is the stat prio isnt really that significant? I tried fury as arms, swapped some rings to get like 700-800 mastery. I have to much crit still but i sim around 91k on ST as fury. That doesn’t feel bad with 280ilvl? When I sim fellow fury warriors with more mastery they even sim lower or the same. Is this why simming is so important?

[fresh creek]

every top logger is going thane tho

[young swan]

what am i doing

[fringe vale]

Yeah but in prog st>your log

[warm crag]

you know... "the thing"

[fringe vale]

Kill the boss and then farm logs

[young swan]

i dont know what that is..

[fresh creek]

true

[warm crag]

nah equipping ilvl is significantly more important than having some arbitrary stat combo

[vast haven]

sims solve the complex math problem of how much of each stat is actually best since they multiply off of each other to varying degrees. So yes sim good

[fringe vale]

Specially this season that for parsing you need to actually go against progression and just inflate dmg on stuff that is dying anyways bc every guild has at least 2 ddh’s

[compact knot]

yeah i mean a fury +2 ddhs is overkill

[fresh creek]

we have 2 DDH aswell 😄

[fringe vale]

So prog go max st

[compact knot]

you just go arms and do more boss damage

[fringe vale]

Kill the boss

And pad on reclear

[rich dune]

Thnx! The sim guided me how to take more mastery so that felt nice👍🏻

[fresh creek]

aight ill do that cause i dont like arms 😄

[fringe vale]

Arms is fun tho

Woyer is fun all specs

Altough i gotta say the most fun ive had now is as prot in keys

[fresh creek]

dont like the way arms plays the rage starving and stuff gives dull moments

😄

[radiant plank]

skill issue

[fresh creek]

true

[bitter palm]

is 39% mastery low for fury

[fresh creek]

have no skill in arms 😄

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-electric-shock-pigman-electrocuted-electric-gif-13739997527188393816

[warm crag]

this is insane

https://tenor.com/view/magnifying-glass-gem-gem-alert-spying-gif-8152235274896165137

[olive wraith]

57% is optimal mastery

[bitter palm]

its real i was the one recording

[warm crag]

did you call the news

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/gem-alarm-gem-alert-chud-redditor-gem-gif-6415505554061588689

[bitter palm]

yes but they werent interested

they said it was ai...

weird world we live in huh

[compact knot]

when you experience 1 lust execute you will understand

[bitter palm]

factual information

[compact knot]

yo i just got a boe

(its on normal)

fuck

[bitter palm]

i got a myth boe

big money

switching up on all day 1s

also greeded a myth gun and won....

[compact knot]

i lowkey think when my guild reclears beloren

im gonna play slayer cleave talents

[radiant plank]

padder

[compact knot]

free rank 1

wcyd

[bitter palm]

padder

[compact knot]

the boss will die in 1 cycle anyways

[warm crag]

who do you even lust execute

lura?

[compact knot]

l'ura

[warm crag]

cant wait for my guild to kill this wed and then take a week off and then i am in for first reclear and the boss is just shot into oblivion

[sullen tendon]

almost in the top 10

[icy whale]

could fury be good at mythic crown next week?

[warm crag]

melee in general is just horrendous on that fight

[kind crystal]

Hi, i was wondering if it is possible to get critcakeUi for midnight ?

[warm crag]

join his server and nab it from there

[kind crystal]

his discord you mean ?

[cinder oasis]

Is Slayer worth using over Thane once the buffs come in?

[olive wraith]

Worth in what sense

#updates-midnight

[cinder oasis]

as in generally better performance

[olive wraith]

Updates answers that

[cinder oasis]

ah yeah, thanks

Doesn't mention it in the post, but do the targeted buffs for RB and Execute raise their spots in the priority list?

[modest condor]

no

[warm crag]

why not

[spare steppe]

Archi hasn’t said no yet so I’m holding out hope (last time he said rend still beats rb)

[cinder oasis]

damn, I hate hitting rend haha

[sullen tendon]

then dont...

[modest condor]

to spite you

[olive wraith]

Isn’t it like a .5% loss to ignore in st?

[warm crag]

i am not to be spited with

[still silo]

thane thunder clap usage in pulls, wowhead rotation shows only 6 or more targets to prio thunderclap, but when simming, it looks like its smashing thunderclap even at 4 or 5 targets?

[olive wraith]

Drop the sim

[modest condor]

it says more than 6 btw, not 6 or more

and it's not smashing clap on 5 targets for me

[tacit harbor]

you also have to take into account re-applying your WW buff with it, which is most likely why you are seeing it more in a sim with less than 6

[olive wraith]

I mean that’s theoretically every 5 gcd

[rotund ginkgo]

yeah so if he sees 3 in a row, is it 3 tblasts with procs

or is it

3 tclaps

[olive wraith]

But I think clap>rb if more than 1 target

[tacit harbor]

well it should show between tb and tc but with CDs, you would tc, reck, tb, rotation, tb at 2 stacks or reapply ww. I dont think just 3 tc in a row even at 5 targets is going to out dps your normal prio list w/ ww buff honestly.

[tacit harbor]

more or less I would say more than 3 vs more than 1

[olive wraith]

I mean in cooldowns is already ahead at 1 target

But anyways, drop the sim

And we can look

[tacit harbor]

because in terms of CD it lines up with as when to reapply which is why it is higher in priority

[olive wraith]

Huh?

In cds tc>rb

For damage

[tacit harbor]

wait sorry did you mean in the sim its higher dps?

[olive wraith]

Not for reapplication

[tacit harbor]

send the sim, there shouldnt be any reason for TC to be hitting harder than RB on one target

[olive wraith]

Dude look at the wowhead prio lol

[tacit harbor]

would be interested to see what its puilling

wow then we're talking about two different things lol

[olive wraith]

Tc does in fact hit harder during cds

[tacit harbor]

Prio is different and has a totally different reason why the prio is higher vs DMG.

Even through CDs TC dmg doesn't change except when there is 3 or more targets or y ou get a proc of tb?

[olive wraith]

But it does change

[merry remnant]

Can i request a log review? im just not doing as much damage as other war's and idk why. i personally feel like im playing it perfect but clearely theres something going on SOS https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4h2jtbdpTJX7mwCK?fight=29&type=damage-done

[olive wraith]

Clap gains 40% during avatar

[tacit harbor]

ohh you're right, forgot it applied to TC and not just TB as well as the chance for the light strikes on tc as well

[merry remnant]

sorry didnt see log review channel

[olive wraith]

So with that correction does it answer your question

[tacit harbor]

umm I mean with toriums selected, I would probably say at ST the dmg is probably still about even with it depending on Proc of lt strikes honestly.

But I can see why you have a higher chance to proc burst of power vs reseting RB

But it still wouldnt make since to hit it so many times in a row becvayse the GCD of everything else would be up by then

[olive wraith]

I mean I’m only guessing here since we haven’t seen the actual sim

Other guess is bt on cooldown sub 80 rage

Sub 100*

[tacit harbor]

yeah but even then if you think about it 3 times in a row with a 4 sec CD, iy would have to be wasting DPS by not hitting RB throughout that time with njothing else up which makes me think the sim itself is broken somehow

[olive wraith]

Clap does damage to 5 targets

Rb does damage to 1 target and reduced damage to 4

[tacit harbor]

@rotund ginkgo post the sim log, now im interested to see what is happening lol.

@olive wraith no I know but originally he said the sim was pressing it three times in a row

which is what is throwing me off because even with that its a 4 sec cd of just TC

[olive wraith]

Why don’t you post yours lol. You’re the one asking

Wait

Your sim pressed clap 4 gcd in a row?

[tacit harbor]

not mine, I was answering ragish I thought who said the sim said 4 GCD in a row which is what has me going wha? lol

which is why I was saying it makes no sense not to push RB

[olive wraith]

So what’s your question then

Tldr Rb is bad

[tacit harbor]

i mean its filler for when everything else is on CD virtually

[olive wraith]

Including clap

[still silo]

it seems when i look at it, its doing a 3 rotation, so its TC > RMP > BT > TC > RMP > BT < TC at 5 targets however, this is also during a Bloodlust window so probably a case too

[olive wraith]

I’ve lost your question friend

[edgy widget]

Raging blow is a single target filler

• in AoE, then Thunder Clap/Whirlwind always have priority above it
• in single target, it's used just ahead of Whirlwind/Thunder Clap (even during Avatar)

[olive wraith]

Is this post buff?

[still silo]

that is the most depressing thing ive ever read

[edgy widget]

if it wasn't, the buff certainly wouldn't change that

[tacit harbor]

lol #bringbacklegionexecute phase

[edgy widget]

Haste affects CDs and the GCD equally, so that "3 GCD rotation" would not change

[still silo]

it doesnt, but when i sim outside of BL, the sim changes how it uses TC

[olive wraith]

Ah, I thought clap was higher than rb during Ava

[edgy widget]

no it doesn't, it only changes when Avatar wears off

[tacit harbor]

arch do you think it is worth trying to sneak in double rampages during reck or prioing BT above everything except when almost capped?

[olive wraith]

No

[edgy widget]

depends on your talents, you usually don't have Wrath and Fury

[edgy widget]

not if you have something better to push, no

• If Bloodthirst is on cooldown, then BT - Ramp - Ramp - BT is fine, assuming Blast isn't procced
• if Bloodthirst isn't on cooldown, then Ramp - Ramp is bad, because it's just delaying a better ability by spending rage a time you don't need to

that's why the rotation lists Rampage twice, with a higher priority when high on rage and lower priority when there's no fear of overcapping

[still silo]

does blast take prio on high rage over ramp?

im assuming not

[edgy widget]

what's the guide say?

[still silo]

the guide being?

wowhead?

[edgy widget]

any of them

[tacit harbor]

ok this is what I thought, been trying not to OC on rage while in reck when messing with fury but feel like I dont BT enough as is

[left peak]

Any prediction son Fury in m+ after buffs? better than arms?

[olive wraith]

Depends

Key level? Pugs?

[solemn sand]

yo do you thunder clap in pure ST? new to fury

[left peak]

+18 and up

[olive wraith]

Colo probably best in coordinated groups

[olive wraith]

Yes

[solemn sand]

last question during avatar is thunderclap/blast prio button?

[worn yoke]

farm keys (10-14) with pugs = Fury thane for more aoe, fury slayer for more ST, both equal ish overall
coordinated push groups with a group = colossus arms for AOE / overall damage with very good funnel on ST if pulled right. OR either fury option will also be quite fine using a similar choice as above based on what group needs

[olive wraith]

Check wowhead prio

Has all your rotational question needs

[queen panther]

In exe phase should I press exe at all outside of SD procs?

[olive wraith]

Pretty sure, yes. Double check wowhead

What’s with all the rotation questions in a row lol

[worn yoke]

do i rampage when im at 130 fury or do i just keep spamming raging blow? last time i played we just had to press RB and win

[olive wraith]

Gross

[olive wraith]

I can’t find slam in my spell book can you help me

[worn yoke]

I use a speech to text program while im playing and say "forward slash cast space slam" into my mic to get around this same issue. got u fam

[olive wraith]

Diabolical

[queen panther]

why's shield slam not working.... >.>

[cobalt relic]

all gg

[still silo]

this aint TWW no more cowboy

we back in burning crusade

BT prio

yippee

[olive wraith]

That’s a bit extreme

[still silo]

feels garbage though

[olive wraith]

What specifically

[still silo]

BT Prio

[olive wraith]

Why is that bad though

[stoic loom]

BT > Rb

fuck tww s3 rb spam

[olive wraith]

I don’t think we should ever ignore bt or rb

[stoic loom]

agreed

both should feel good to press, not one or the other

and execute should DEFINITELY feel good to press

[fleet garden]

What if execute was the only button we pressed below 35% 🥺

[stoic loom]

dont like that

i do like the arms loop back in legion

of exec x2 then big ms

with executioners precision

i think its still a thing right

[sage ridge]

You guys think it will be worth to swap to Fury for AA specifically after the patch hits?

[odd crater]

I’ve been doing 15’s as slayer without issue

[covert coyote]

everything up to and including at least 18's it's fine to run either spec if you play it well.

[hollow totem]

^

[pliant prism]

is raging blow priority going to go up with the new patch on slayer or are we still just almost never meant to touch it if anyhting else is up

[still silo]

noxiv is a case and point to run what the hell you want

if hes making fury work in +21's then i cant see it being bad, just not "Meta"

[olive wraith]

Sadly he strayed from slayer this season

[olive wraith]

No for now. Maybe tbd

[still silo]

he did yeah

[stoic loom]

a team that's been playing together for like 10 years is hardly a good example of a "if they can do it so can you"

[still silo]

MT is just superior sadly

[still silo]

yes and no, the damage output from his fury is still incredible

can do that with anyone

all depends on routing i guess

[olive wraith]

I mean they do mdi every year despite their class

I’d say that’s a fair comparison

[still silo]

the one thing warrior has always had over other classes, is consitency

[indigo arch]

Blizzard has all but abandoned slayer in m+, so I don't blame them going thane

Went from tww s3 where they seemed to get it for once

to

this

[still silo]

tbf, slayer is definitely more viable after wednesday

[indigo arch]

imagine needing cancelauras

rampaging ruin removal/rework when

[olive wraith]

S2 tee slayer was worse than midnight slayer and he still played it

[young swan]

i mean no one that knows what they're doing would play rampaging ruin unironically

[drifting token]

More like rampaging ruin your dps

[indigo arch]

A talent that needs a cancelaura to function making it to launch is crazy

meme talent

[drifting token]

Please clap

[still silo]

release the AoE cap on rampaging ruin

[young swan]

agreed

[still silo]

i dare them

[young swan]

its really bad

[olive wraith]

I don’t even want rr

Even if it’s uncapped

[indigo arch]

They can turn it into a divine storm additional aoe for all I care, anything but this

[drifting token]

Literally just not make it have a penalty on primary target and it's completely fine

[olive wraith]

I say just buff Of, tb, bs

[still silo]

give us back fucking avatar and bladestorm would be a good first step

[indigo arch]

buff cshb while at it

[young swan]

then it begs the question of why does it need to modify rampage at all, just make it an additional effect that triggers everytime you press ramp

[indigo arch]

the rage used to just be a side benefit, make cold steel hot blood actually do big dam again

bfa that shit

[young swan]

idk about that

would prefer them just remove avatar as a button

make it a passive

[still silo]

20% passive damage WHAT? 😂

[young swan]

yeah that triggers with reck

[covert coyote]

yeah. extra effect for reck would be great

[still silo]

does it really need to be, i mean that shits getting popped with recklessness anyway

[olive wraith]

So why is it a second button

[covert coyote]

that's the point

[young swan]

yeah this is actually exactly why it shouldnt be a button

[still silo]

yeah fair

[drifting token]

There aren't many of those "press button get steroid" cds left around anymore, it's very deprecated design. At the very least they made most of them do dmg on press

[indigo arch]

Miss when avatar had a root break attached

[ember otter]

I think I've had Avatar / Recklessness Macro'd for eternity

Byo button

[indigo arch]

Cc'd? Fuck that, koolaid man

[still silo]

atleast put bladestorm on a talent with ravager and not avatar

[indigo arch]

issue with bladestorm is, it hits for nothing lmao

They'd need to heavily buff the dam

[young swan]

but then what does ravager actually do for thane

[indigo arch]

Please do not speak of ravager

I'm so happy it's gone

[olive wraith]

Make unhinged part of the talent I guess

[indigo arch]

do not manifest it back into existence

[drifting token]

What's wrong with ravager lol it's cool

[indigo arch]

hate using it as colo

it can stay in it's quarentine spec

[young swan]

i think if we're talking about getting ravager back, we should be talking about the ravager proc from prot

[indigo arch]

It's not as bad as it was with it casting direct to a target, but still ick

[lavish sierra]

If you use your bonus rolls and keep protection spec does that mean when you open your vault as probably you might have a higher chance of getting a gaze? Used my bonus rolls yesterday and got a tier chest which I don't need

Just so tired of it

[indigo arch]

Are you full bis? Because that sounds like a good way to get troll vaults

[young swan]

do not open vault in tank spec

[indigo arch]

1h/shields/tank trinkets

Just prot lootspec bonus into myth chim

[olive wraith]

Ravager over hated

[latent hedge]

ravager not hated enough

[young swan]

its because none of these dorks got to play with ravager when it cleaved unhinged hits

[quasi pebble]

hello, what is the best raidbots sim for ST and Multi?

to get the most accurate

[young swan]

1 target patchwerk

[olive wraith]

Ravager is basically bs if you didn’t have to Channel

Sounds good to me

[keen kindle]

If ur not channeling are you even playing warrior

[bitter palm]

true

and real

ravager cleaving unhinged was so peak

[raw magnet]

idk y but it makes me angry to think of bladestorm as a channel

[olive wraith]

Is it not a channel?

I want to mash buttons not spin around

[raw magnet]

So like it is

but I don't think you have a bar that's slowly going down as the "cast" finishes

you are just spinning and then you stop spinning on ui

[fringe vale]

Every warrior in like class in every game has a similar skill its so staple of the thing that even other games of different genres adopt it

Bladestorm is for warrior what magic is to mages

[raw magnet]

Like in arms collosus, demolish has a bar that visually looks like a channel

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t make it good though

Doesn’t it become cliche

[raw magnet]

I like bladestorm

Problem is I don't like midnight bladestorm

TWW had it set up the right way

[fringe vale]

Blsdestorm is so op, cleanse roots and slows, immune to cc while using it, immune to slows while using it, immune to knockbacks or grabs(sometimes)

[raw magnet]

You say that but slayer is unviable in pvp

[fringe vale]

Whos talking pvp lol

[raw magnet]

cc doesn't really matter outside of pvp, you mitigate things by playing good

[fringe vale]

Theres boss mechanics with snares and knockbacks

[raw magnet]

I am not aware of any bosses this season where bladestorm is useful as a get out of cc ability, like that you would save it for that

[olive wraith]

You can also just charge or leap push backs

[raw magnet]

I was going to say nerubar palace is the last time i remember that, but you just spell reflect the roots

so doesn't even matter there

[spark coral]

Does it work on the gargoyles in pit?

[raw magnet]

idk but I just human racial and leap lol

if i get flown up

[spark coral]

Vause i've died twice to getting grabbed then getting frost breathed by the dragon whilengrabbed

[raw magnet]

Can probably bladestorm the stun, cancel aura, and leap

if timed properly

Probably shouldn't be holding bladestorm for that though

Better to have a pally that freedoms you ez

[spark coral]

If only fearless wasnt afraid of grabs

[raw magnet]

If only berserkers roar actually solved the fear mechanic on dragons

lol

Just unfears you but doesn't remove debuff, so when those 6 seconds are up you get refeared

One of those uber-niche things

[earnest tiger]

you could use it to ignore the web yank thingy on platforms

[raw magnet]

Oh yeah and the pull in end of p1

[young swan]

it does

[whole wasp]

do we have confirmation if Fury can get 2 of the same Mythic weapons on bonus rolls? ie it's not removed from dungeon loot table until we have gotten 2 of them? My first bonus roll Whirling Voidcleaver. Can I bonus roll and get a 2nd one?

[young swan]

next time you go into the dungeon it should tell you if its still in the pool, I would think not tho

as in, it should be removed after just 1 roll

which is fine anyways, cause embellished wep is part of our bis

[whole wasp]

So we're no longer supposed to go with 2 gear pieces crafted with Arcaneweave Lining?

[young swan]

were we ever?

wowhead, icyveins, and maxroll all say the same thing in that regard

[whole wasp]

yeah...I thought that was the initial plan, craft weapon with embellishment, get 2 mythic weapons and craft gear with arcaneweave lining

[young swan]

i mean its negligible either way

wont really end up mattering

[fickle dirge]

Did the new buffs become available on raidbots with latest option?

[young swan]

i dont recall there ever being a plan aside from "craft a weapon and use it forever"

[young swan]

tomorrow

[fickle dirge]

thx

[red berry]

every time ive simmed 2 arcano hunt still wins so

[sullen tendon]

please increase the timer on AA again blizzard holy shit

by like 2 minutes

unless te tank does like perfect chain pulls you have like 4-4.5 minutes left on timer at end boss with perfect pulls

not counting one off deaths

0 room for error

honestly if the slayer ST and Aoe gains are good enough tomorrow it may be worth playing it in AA

the boss damage needed in that dungeon is crazy for timer

[little gust]

I would also like to know this

[sly merlin]

the aa problem is just how aids some of the trash is tbh

not so much the timer atp

although it is still tight