fury

[worn rain]

sus

[thin scroll]

just gotta compete with nr 1 parser

but he probably got PI‘d

[brittle crow]

he's our PI yea

[hot shell]

Where is your pi

[thin scroll]

Why would someone Pi B Tier spec :(

[worn rain]

for gold

[hot shell]

Why would you PI a monk when theres a dev dh

I just noticed your evoker manage to get a 1 parse, 0 on itemlevel. What the f

[thin scroll]

isnt ww really really good on raid ?

[brittle crow]

bro died i think

[thin scroll]

Dev Dhs are cringe

[olive wraith]

In cooldowns you end up spamming ramp/clap pretty much

[thin scroll]

nr.1 dev dh hater

[brittle crow]

im leveling a dev dh rn

[vast gorge]

do you guys enchant leech or avoidance?

[brittle crow]

i like pressing the big button :3

[thin scroll]

share the same hate I have for mages

[brittle crow]

leech

we dont need avoidance

[wise wren]

Thanks thats what ive always done just wanted to make sure I wasnt missing anything

[hot shell]

DHs in general are toxic adhd kids who somehow manage to break out of bronze League of legends tier

[brittle crow]

we have spell reflect and a fuckton of passive DR

[thin scroll]

big nuke button

Dhs in my keys are also always hit or miss

[brittle crow]

i guess i never miss, huh

[thin scroll]

either big nuke

or tankdps overall

[hot shell]

Sounds like the average russian player

[thin scroll]

Till 17 I enchanted leech tho but I swapped for some avoidance now kinda helps surviving big aoes easier tbh

[frozen scarab]

thane dmg is utter shit in every raid

[brittle crow]

if ur bleeding out on big aoes, its not ur problem

[frozen scarab]

forced to pad

[brittle crow]

thats a healer problem

u have spell reflect up for every big aoe, ur already more survivable than god

leech will do more over the course of a fight/dungeon

[thin scroll]

I feel like 75% of Resto droods I play with

are just giga metaslaving

and dont know how to remotely handle their class above any 15s

same with a lot of brews atm tho

or uh‘s

whenever I see a brew tagging ads with crane kick

while they have keg smash up

I wanna kms

[brittle crow]

no thats valid

you want to do that lol

[undone flower]

You can go 2 and go down again 1 after intermission

[thin scroll]

I mean yoda said to not do it cause

[brittle crow]

you tag ads with crane kick because keg smash has 0 aoe

[thin scroll]

low threat gen

[brittle crow]

u know what has even lower threat gen? doing nothing

which is what u will do if u throw keg smash and it hits 1 enemy

out of 7

[thin scroll]

Keg into flurry

or whatever this big punch aoe is

[brittle crow]

flurry strikes arent up when u want them

theyre up when they happen

kinda

[thin scroll]

keg smash

makes u flurry

no?

[brittle crow]

yea but if a pack at like 30% ur not gonna hold keg smash because u want it to pull the next one

ur just gonna keep doing dps

it doesnt line up always

[thin scroll]

havent invested that much time into brew yet, but almost all pugs when a brew only tags with crane, a single auto or cast instantly rips threat and ppl just die to aggro

[west kraken]

playing thane based on logs, see some slayer.

[frozen scarab]

wait how does bonus roll even work

do i just roll and get bis or smth

[thin scroll]

if u lucky yes

[frozen scarab]

i see

[thin scroll]

2 rolls for raid loot

[frozen scarab]

so rolling on m+ isnt ideal

[thin scroll]

U can get 2 myth items per week if u do it on m+

or only 1 in raid

Its always a gamble

but myth trinkets pay off the most ofc

[smoky vale]

in most cases it is imo

esp if you have no myth tier it is the biggest short term gain

[frozen scarab]

o

[odd crater]

Parsed an 88 as Slayer on Belo'ran just now

EZ

[pliant jackal]

damn people really hate maisara caverns

[thin scroll]

Yes

dogshit boring dungeon

[pliant jackal]

the dungeon does feel long

[worthy geyser]

how much haste/mastery do you guys have?

[olive wraith]

That number isn’t important fwiw

[odd crater]

My current stats

[winter shoal]

I have approximately a lot of haste and even more mast

[odd crater]

1229 Mast, 1007 Haste, 609 Crit

[bitter palm]

need more than even more

i think

[winter shoal]

idk I'm armsman now

only play fury in mickey mouse game mode

[bitter palm]

decor hunts?

xaaxaxax

39% crit 23% haste 14% mastery 1% vers

peak stat spread

[winter shoal]

40/40/10/10

[bitter palm]

50/50/0/0

[winter shoal]

HOLY

[sullen dove]

the promised lands

[undone flower]

No gloves ?

Can’t be promised land

[winter shoal]

arms doesn't use gloves innit

[woven valley]

the promised land is warrior finally being laid to rest

until then we SUFFER

[frozen scarab]

i cant be the only one who is miserable doing aa

[bitter palm]

ye everyone is

[undone flower]

You are right, arms don’t Mickey Mouse gloves

[frozen scarab]

this sht was not thyis bad during df

[bitter palm]

idk aa was always cringe

not this cringe

but cringe

[undone flower]

This cringe is mostly bc tank balance

[bitter palm]

people going crazy over the 1 big pull in the dungeonm

then depleting on crawth

👍

[sullen dove]

dont get how crawth hard

guy does nothing

[modest condor]

until you get to p3

then your healer is crying

[sour frigate]

everyone s gangsta until 4:30 crawth fight in my dem 18th....

[sullen tendon]

really feeling the buff fury mindset in these 19s

[undone flower]

Aren’t you supposed to kill it before he does fourth cast? I member he does more and more dmg

With the circly thingys

[sullen tendon]

We were like 1-2 minutes off of this 19 AA becasue fury cant keep up with lock and dev

and cant make up fo ti in boss dam

each boss took like 3:30 or more

[frozen scarab]

is this w/o buffs?

[echo mica]

in a raid solo fight is 60k dps on a 278 geared character bad

[frozen scarab]

raidbots is calling your name

[echo mica]

it says i will hit 60k average

dude i get kicked for it

i dont know what to change

i run MT

[frozen scarab]

im 277 simming 84k dps

[modest condor]

nah that's dragonflight mechanics

it now just applies a dot, no more stacking damage

[young swan]

@fleet sorrel @dapper goblet GRATS

[bitter palm]

epic @ fail

[young swan]

fuck you

shit up

[fleet sorrel]

thanks

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-electric-shock-pigman-electrocuted-electric-gif-13739997527188393816

[misty edge]

SO NOT ME...

[sullen dove]

gratz on being the first and only fury to ever kill that boss

[bitter palm]

[sullen dove]

(aside from glazeface)

[bitter palm]

soon

[sullen dove]

[bitter palm]

goat king

[winter shoal]

baze will never stop shilling slurry on lura

absolutely fried take

[sullen dove]

lmao noober

[charred flint]

tonight was a good raid night boys

[bitter palm]

nice 0

noober

[sullen dove]

wait apookie actually 2nd boss dps in p4?

what happened?

raid just like afk?

[misty edge]

fury and arms are both equally shit

[bitter palm]

locked in

[sullen dove]

yea but arms at least does something p3

doesnt do adds tho ig

[charred flint]

rank 13 on dragons

poggers

[bitter palm]

kha owns them

wait nvm he is not playing cleave anymore didnt notice

[young swan]

i knew i was missing someone....

GRATS

[bitter palm]

@compact knot

goat

[compact knot]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

AHHAHAHAHA

[bitter palm]

xeos was right...

warrior is broken after all

[frozen scarab]

dont let blizz see this

[slim sluice]

really stupid noob question. We enchant both our weapons?

[undone flower]

Yes

[echo scarab]

teach me lol

[slim sluice]

same enchant?

[echo scarab]

where is 126k coming from on salhadaar? are you just perma cleaving a ball

[undone flower]

Depends but yes you can

[slim sluice]

ok thank you

[echo scarab]

i feel like im cleaving as much as possible and still i only hit 89k

[undone flower]

Are you sure you are doing the correct rotation or cleaving ?

And. Are you talking about heroic saladbar perchance ?

[winter shoal]

aug diff

[compact knot]

hmmm

im not sure

[stiff carbon]

my damage is so low on l'ura...

feels bad

[winter shoal]

actual piss crank

[bitter palm]

just goated like that i guess

[sullen dove]

raiders afk perhaps???

jigachad tho

wheres yoda's damage..

[bitter palm]

bro got gapped by arms warrior axaaxaxaxa

i was NOT familiar with your game kha

[dapper goblet]

love being a dk pig

[charred flint]

press rampage

and press

thunderblast

there ya go

[echo scarab]

I must have a different version of those abilities lmao

[winter shoal]

you didn't know my goat khazix, inventor of the smolderon run out to the 3rd ring for orb drops so they come into you by the time your cds are up during damage amp?

[compact knot]

that was my favorite tech

[bitter palm]

nah i knew him back then but he swore arms owned on lura and after watching him do fuckall for 100 pulls i kinda lost hope

icl

...

[echo scarab]

how do I dive into a log and figure out wtf happened here on this comparison chart

[compact knot]

every time the pull went the distance

i gapped

[undone flower]

Can’t you cut the log at this timing ? I don’t do a lot of comparisons

[echo scarab]

not too sure this is my first time running comparison

found the timeline but not making sense of it yet

[undone flower]

But big guess -> he goes to all the tiny orbs and eat well

[echo scarab]

he has a fuckload more rampage than me across the fight total

but other attacks amounts are similar

might have just been a weird point in the fight I was trying to hero CC an add or something

too much time inactive

what do the longer bars mean?

[charred flint]

hm

less haste i guess?

more zoom lmao

[undone flower]

You are not in casts tab

[echo scarab]

I mean one obvious difference in any of the other warrior logs I see are they never touch the interrupts lol

[undone flower]

Ofc you are a melee

[echo scarab]

Im fine with my parse suffering if it means that Im doing the things that help us get the clear

[undone flower]

Melees just follow the boss

[echo scarab]

adds spawn near boss + storm bolt

[winter shoal]

that's cast timelines I believe

the gaps I think are downtime between casts

[echo scarab]

that was damage, im on casts now

[winter shoal]

oh word

[undone flower]

Casts timeline don’t show rampage 4 times

And no bars in casts since we just do instant casts

Idk how the events tab look in comparisons

[sullen dove]

yea the stretched out ramp thing i think is just some weird way it shows multiple casts in a row

when you look at like the damage timeline specifically, clicking casts instead of dmg should look more normal

[hard charm]

guys can and should i as a fury warrior craft 2x theese swords???? or can i only have 1?

[echo scarab]

1

[hard charm]

ah

what off hand should i get then..

atm i use pvp offhand

[sullen dove]

you can have 2 u prolly shouldnt tho,

altho is that a 1hand on your offhand?

[hard charm]

na its gladiator 2h

[sullen dove]

o looks odd

[hard charm]

y same icon as 1h sword

[hollow owl]

used my bonus rolls in MT, got legs and chest x_x

next week I have to get the weapon right? right??

[olive wraith]

You’ll get the mount

[echo scarab]

crazy how much difference casting non optimal skills has on parses

like a 20 rampage difference is due to me interrupting adds and pressing non-damaging globals lol

[olive wraith]

Wouldn’t some of that be uptime too

[echo scarab]

yeah for sure

but the only thing I can say for sure is the extra non-rampage casts I have close the gap on his

im not sure if that makes up the 30k dps difference lol

nah its just specifically enduring void damage

[fickle vector]

What’s yall opinion on gloves, embergrove grasps or voidclaw gauntlets

As well as Bellamy's Final Judgement or whirling void cleaver

[undone flower]

🙏

[hollow owl]

pls, not like this

[hollow owl]

weapon at least?

[undone flower]

I already have a weapon

[unkempt oasis]

now you can have 2

or 3

[undone flower]

I will just take the tokens and gamble

I will gamble first then decide if I gamble again

[limber sleet]

does this variance on beloren intermission damage look normal or am i missing something? the crit variance is just insane :

is there a newer crit buff talent im not playing around maybe? i havent super kept up with fury changes recently

[dawn dawn]

gang, do i try and hold bladestorm for recklesness or just send whenevers sensible?

wowhead rotation seems ambiguous on it

[unkempt oasis]

I believe it is more bursty if you hold it for recklessness. But at the end of the day it doesn't really matter.

Unless you can hit more mobs

by holding it

[sullen dove]

should hold bs when reck is like 30ish seconds away on the timer (so like 15-20 in real time after am) but yea, thats only for st

if there is like aoe to be done and bs is up just kinda slam it

[bitter palm]

swordfish67

im powerful

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1498896795030388826/image.png?ex=69f2d3ec&is=69f1826c&hm=1301cff3855783d0a0bad3aadc69d0ef4ddc366a7764d07f08d8c548144be2de&

[sullen dove]

marvelous

[bitter palm]

now i just bonus roll chim and get gaze surely

[dawn dawn]

yeah perfect. i was kinda gutfeeling close to this anyway ty

[bitter palm]

its a 1 in 2

50/50

[sullen dove]

truegi

[unkempt oasis]

#fury message

[dawn dawn]

ty! perfect

essentially doesnt fuckin matter, love it

[gilded dune]

Is BT more important in ST? I seem to be doing fine in aoe damage but can’t seem to do well in ST. Not sure if I’m not spending enough BT or building too much and not spending rage quick enough. Just curious about common ST mistakes

[upbeat cedar]

just want to keep it on cooldown, unless it will overcap your rage

wowhead guide says use it under 100 rage otherwise rampage

[sand willow]

Hi all, 20% crit, 27% haste, 36% mastery is good?

[woven valley]

I would say a bit more mastery a bit less crit (but sim yourself of course)

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove do i level as arms or fury

[brittle crow]

what's the meta for fresh 90s
do you just catalyst 4 vet pieces

[uneven path]

Oh great, soooo if you got the extra two rolls last week, and now you took the extra bonus roll from vault it just vanishes ?

[brittle crow]

or do you get champ/hero pieces

[hot shell]

I wouldnt cat anything below hero.
The droprate of the Flux is so low that your tier items will be behind

[sullen dove]

from..?

and probably prot lol

but idk fury thane probably easy

[dapper goblet]

i'm currently level 80 in undermine gear

[sullen dove]

big

idk assume fine first like 5 levels maybe gets a little cringe later

[frozen scarab]

flux droprate aint that low

i had like 5 two days ago

[hot shell]

I got 2 in 16 raidboss kills and 64 mythic+ dungeons

Thats pretty low if you ask me

[frozen scarab]

lmao wtf

[grand vale]

i had 5-6 in total drop from bountiful delve coffers

and i'm only doing 4-8 delves a week

[worn rain]

mostly from delves lmao

[grand vale]

that's a very viable source for them too

yeah

the drop rate is fine there

[worn rain]

and like non from +m/raids

[merry scaffold]

First time getting a pretty worthless vault this season. Is it worth more getting the currency for another Voidcore or Gemslot

[grand vale]

also valeera just does them by herself mostly, you can chill a lot

[grand vale]

If it's bad, go bonus roll

[worn rain]

almost always bonus roll

unless you're stacked

[grand vale]

bonus roll is never worthless, either you get what you want or you get what you want next time with another roll

[bitter palm]

unless ure fed and have everything

[dapper goblet]

so warriors cry about not having utility but you have a speed roar...

cant make this up...

[bitter palm]

like swordish67

[grand vale]

do we cry about utility?

[worn rain]

we do

also this is even not a rage bait

piercing howl just sad

[bitter palm]

xeos ragebaiting

[worn rain]

you press

[bitter palm]

cant make this up...

[worn rain]

and you sad

[olive wraith]

Imagine crying about utility and not the most important thing

[compact knot]

idk piercing howl is pretty good

[bitter palm]

i got

gaze from bonus roll

[compact knot]

certainly should be lower cd

[bitter palm]

time to own i think

now that i have real trinkets

if only i could upgrade both

at least i can start bonus rolling dungeons next week

[dapper goblet]

so many new warrior talents though

[undone flower]

he will bring buffs with him

[hot shell]

I remember a time when piercing howl actually snared shit

[bitter palm]

im surprised they didnt take a talent and split it into two

and call it new

[undone flower]

they did reduce reck duration and put an apex

[bitter palm]

ok but thats not soa

on arms

[compact knot]

ok im checking other warrior l'ura kills

why am i just doing 10% more dps then everyone else

surely that isnt like purely a varience thing.

[misty edge]

god pull

[compact knot]

arms op

wcyd

our kill was so fucking fast

and we had people dead in p4

wtf

[brittle crow]

how do u quickly get hero on a fresh 90 tho

u aint doing 10s at ilvl 226

tho ig if u get lucky enough u can just send 4 roll tokens and get myth tier lol

[hot shell]

Well, i healed 10s on 220 and i tanked them on 220 gear, i just farm myth crests for crafts, pick uo whatever loot i can beg from others in dungs and keep going

Actually, i Lied. I did it before then

[elder plover]

Is it worth going Double crafted weapons if we didn't get a myth track weapon in vault?

[worn rain]

I did

[worn rain]

usually no

you spend extra myth crest that can go into something usefull and get wep from bonus rolls

[elder plover]

yeah, didn't think about the bonus roll.

[hot shell]

So yeh, basically that. Buy 200il gear for cheap on the AH, run 10s, roll myths and beg for gear. People are nicer than you think sometimes

[loud trout]

What are u using bonus roll on? Pit?

[elder plover]

I think MC for the Crit Mastery Weapon,

[brittle crow]

chimaerus for alnseers

[worn rain]

arms imposter in fury channel

[brittle crow]

got it in 1 roll so ill be sending the rest on magisters for wep

[loud trout]

That would mean you have to do MC though

[timid tide]

I got a duplicate ring from bonus roll on Thursday or Friday, opened a ticket and GMs said "bad luck mate"

[elder plover]

🙂 I would like to cover both specs but honesly not a fan of arms atm

[brittle crow]

nobody letting me into 10s with AH gear! unless they will

[subtle lagoon]

MT for that juicy haste mastery sword

[elder plover]

I done the raid on 3 characters and got tier each time. Don't wanna use my bonus roll this week on the raid 🙂

MT has 7 possible drops with only 2 bonsu rolls. MC has 3 drops with 2 bonus rolls. thats the other reaon

[bitter palm]

goated like that

[hot shell]

Beg for a 11 carry in your guild, get a lv10 keystone, find pugs and put in note "only gigachads", youll have gear in no time

[timid tide]

Do the raidbot/simcraft dropimizer and check that out

[frozen scarab]

which spec has the worst tier set bonuses

[dapper goblet]

we 19 manned p4 and our bdk killed it cuz of purg

he's currently number 1 healing parse in the world

[compact knot]

yeah i saw the 900k hps lmfao

[dapper goblet]

beast mode

[loud trout]

Probably fury isn't it

[compact knot]

nah

its neither warrior dps

its not close

think its mm hutner

by a lot

[loud trout]

Ah, I assumed between the warrior specs

[compact knot]

oh

yeah fury is worse by a lot

[frozen scarab]

prob shouldve clarified i meant in the entire game

[subtle lagoon]

How does mc have 3 drops?

[indigo arch]

Are the folks parsing high on m chim just ignoring resonance and leaping in to snipe little adds?

tryna parse less ass

iuno how terrorist it'd be to suddenly swoop in and start zapping other side

[quasi quest]

can you wield two crafted weapons at the same time? 🤔

[tiny seal]

is the bonus roll system still bugged?

there was only the weapon left in the pool rn

and got dupe head

i mean

[compact knot]

are you sure

[tiny seal]

100%

[bitter palm]

did u get the head from bonus rolls

[tiny seal]

or did they reset the pool with the "fix"

[compact knot]

they did

yes

[tiny seal]

jesus

[bitter palm]

yes they reset the pool

[real wedge]

okay so gaze is now 1/3 instead of 1/2 for me great thanks blizz

[subtle lagoon]

There's 8 possible drops in Pit, including weapon, we got 3 rolls last week, how is the weapon the only thing left? am I missing something?

[hot shell]

How do you even have 8 rolls to begin with? Smells fishy

[kind crystal]

they also gave the bonus roll back

[tiny seal]

I got 3 Last wednesday, got 3 back because of their fix, and got 2 this morning

[fair solstice]

the fix resetted the pool, so its normal to get duplicate of the first items rolled before the fix

[tiny seal]

Thought they didnt reset with the fix thats why i assumed i completed all 8

[hot shell]

Now i wish i wasted my rolls

[fair solstice]

we all do

[fading sky]

well i hope they all get duplicates

[near pasture]

whats a good dungeon to use rerolls on?

i was thinking AA for ring, puzzlebox and weapon?

[fading sky]

yup prob

[worthy yarrow]

ok but how boring is thane

[dense elbow]

Very

[tired bane]

Clap angry clap angry clap

You not satisfied?

And i am still mad angry at how Blizz handled this whole token fiasco

[uneven path]

Dont worry I already got fucked again by taking bonus roll from vault and not getting it.

[tired bane]

The fuckery never ends

[chilly plume]

How does one not suck on dragons

I'm prot main but they have me fury for M dragons and i'm getting like 10-15 parses weekly

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/X7DvFVPRmpjA69Wr?fight=24&type=damage-done&source=62

[real wedge]

Fury is Padding spec
U use CDS on CD if you want to be big you want to match CDs with add spawns
1st CDS u use a bit ahead so you have it back for 2nd adds then you hold for intermission

[compact knot]

the best thing you can possibly do to parse good on dragons is open lorrgs and check cd usage

and just copy the top logs

[real wedge]

https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/warrior-fury/vaelgor-&-ezzorak

[compact knot]

95% of "why am i doing bad damage on [PAD BOSS]" is always answered by cd usage as fury

and lorrgs is a visually easy site to see when people use cds

[chilly plume]

🫡 gotcha

[heavy dock]

gotta keep in mind u will also parse lower naturally cuz ur gear is more prot oriented

less mastery than others

[compact knot]

yeah that as well

[chilly plume]

yeaaa but not gray lower i'd imagine

[heavy dock]

well no

[compact knot]

you can 100 parse in arms gear

[chilly plume]

how much damage is weap worth cuz im rocking 2 276's as well

[compact knot]

a LOT

its the biggest upgrade

[real wedge]

also if your group has big padders like Devos or Devasts you might snooze before its dead

[chilly plume]

we have 2 dev and a ww but i was second on orb dam

[real wedge]

You also have 2 BDKs might be better to play arms colosus - stacked adds for nice demolish hits

[chilly plume]

im probablt better statted for that as well

[chilly plume]

it gets better btw, their gorefiend's grasp is centered on me

[heavy dock]

for sure arms is also crit/haste

[real wedge]

yea go arms also I am jealous 😄

[chilly plume]

might have to go that way yeah, i'm just not super comfortable with the rotations of either dps spec rn, gotta do some keys or study the rotation

right thanks lads, gonna head off for the night have a good one

[compact knot]

gn

[worn rain]

new vault system looks bright

[heavy dock]

wtf :D

[terse ether]

kik

[fading sky]

well i pulled gaze 2day so

im not complaining

[hollow owl]

Hi guys, what's the best way to sim Fury for Mythic+?

5 targets, 5 min
5 targets, 1 min
5 targets, 1.5 min
Dungeon Slice

[fading sky]

1t 5m

rest is whatever as fury

[hollow owl]

1 target 5min for m+?

[fading sky]

yeah

all our aoe is basicly based off ST anyways

[shell parcel]

Fellas
Can u get tier token from bonus rolls or are tier tokens excluded from bonus rolls?

[olive holly]

guys, for m+ what trinkets should I run?

1. puzzle+gaze
2. puzzle+heart of ancient hunger
3. gaze+heart of ancient hunger

all are hero track

[jagged socket]

gaze and heart to not give a fuck about active cast time

puzzle is strong dont get me wrong but you're more likely to use it wrongly imho

2m cd is a bit anti with our cds

[olive holly]

well, I use it before pull and then always on cd (during fight ofc)

but i get your point

and well, thought the same lol

[ripe kelp]

Thank you bonus roll thank you RNGesus

[tribal dagger]

wait you can get the same item twice from vault?

[clever iron]

never seen that happen

[tribal dagger]

already got the puzzlebox i think last week lol...

[silk wharf]

From week to week? Absolutely.

[tribal dagger]

okay sad then, guess i have to take the myth helmet

[worthy yarrow]

lowkey

slayer

is like sin.

without the bleeds

and poisons

and everything else

but other than that its the same!

[spice wind]

You don’t have to, you can take tokens! Buy an extra bonus roll or an extra socket.

[fading sky]

oh ye and less dmg

[fading sky]

i mean this is 100% bonus roll angle

[sick pagoda]

Is it weird that given the current class balance there is so little tuning happening? Or are they drowning in bugfix mode?

[fading sky]

unless helm has socket

[fading sky]

yes

the fact that like fury sims 104 arms 103 ret 110? AND frost dk 122 uhdk 130 ? add in multiple more specs simmin in the 115-120 range

it is fuckin odd they accept some specs are 15% behind in pure single target scenarios

oh ye and add in a pretty bad dmg profile to current content as well

[sick pagoda]

And burst scenarios make it worse

[fading sky]

exactly

like theres legit no excuse

i mean i guess esp fury is pretty easy to buff

give it a 10% aura buff ?

and nothing changes, like its not like our AOE suddenly is god tier

its better for sure, but still far from op

our ST will creep into the very good range in M+ which imho we deserve

[vestal root]

buff mages they fell off

[fading sky]

true

that is what they will do

aug does to much dmg

[vestal root]

they are not top 3 anymore they are top 5 instead

need buff

[fading sky]

better buff mage + dk + bm

wait now aug does more dmg

blizzard confused

[vestal root]

tbh bm is fury of ranged so yeah buff them

[fading sky]

mm needs buff as well

we need a top part that is only range ppl

and semi range

[vestal root]

as usual

mm is arms of ranged so yeah buff them as well

hunters and warriors share the same braincell

[fading sky]

and survival is also mad good atm

better buff em coz no1 knows how to play em

get the avg up

[vestal root]

nah they ez everyone knows, its just that they are pad supreme, basically how fury plays

[fading sky]

like imagine if there was surv players as dedicated as like bizentein

[vestal root]

surv players pad even harder actually

[vestal root]

biz, noxiv, critcake and such get us nerfed they are all too good

[indigo arch]

Don't worry, dps warriors get tuning passes to keep us at the top of melee since we actually need to be in melee range to dps

That's why we're tuned so well right now

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-18890916

[vestal root]

not many real melees left anymore huh

[fading sky]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/46/?metric=bossdps

fr look at this

[vestal root]

warriors, rogues, ferals?

[indigo arch]

warr/rogues/ferals yea

[fading sky]

this fuckin includes a 2t and a 3t super cleave fight

its depressin

[indigo arch]

enhance vaguely has to melee, but half has ranged

[vestal root]

hey i just leveled a bm hunter alt its good to know im down there!

[vestal root]

oh right enhance exists

[indigo arch]

enhance exists sums that spec up too

can just go ele

and do more dam and at range with far more simplicity

[lost saffron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/txYj1Bq6hbbsK8YCJFjWpc (I know its a ret sim) but does anyone notice what is wrong with this

[vestal root]

i remember when ele was the meme spec at times and enha was giga poomp

[lost saffron]

My budget is 110 crests btw

[fading sky]

15k more dmg than my Arms ?

[vestal root]

now enha you need to play the hardest melee spec in the game so you can do the least dmg in the game

[worn rain]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-monkey-fight-monkey-fight-knives-gif-427174388596205973

[lost saffron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/401132846342864896/1498991061895352330/image.png?ex=69f32bb7&is=69f1da37&hm=ee773c464db4d705f4cb275ef410aa46970deb8992d934369ddaf728cdde6afd& and these are the items that were simmed

[worn rain]

fury vs enh

fight for last place

[vestal root]

somehow fury looks good in that fight

somehow

[worthy yarrow]

where do i use my BR on this spec

[fading sky]

furys pretty cursed hmm NPX has weap doesnt it ?

or ?

[vestal root]

no?

[fading sky]

is that seat?

haste - mastery ?

[vestal root]

best wep is MT or maisara

[worthy yarrow]

magister or AA?

[vestal root]

mt is haste mast

[fading sky]

ok

MT rollin it is

[worthy yarrow]

im naked

[lost saffron]

Why would you roll AA?

[vestal root]

but lot of sims just dont want haste mast for me anymore

[worthy yarrow]

puzzle box

[lost saffron]

Fury puzzle box

lmao

[worthy yarrow]

:3

[fading sky]

puzzle CRIME

[vestal root]

sims show me i gotta be a crit simp too maybe its due to the new ring enchants too

[lost saffron]

You know they changed it

its a 2 minute cooldown now instead of 3

[worthy yarrow]

ah

no

[fading sky]

i dont think 3m would help ?

arent wel ike a 50 sec cd class ?

or 45?

[lost saffron]

Definitely not a 2 minute class

Puzzle bad

[fading sky]

if we were a 1m class

its decent htough

[worthy yarrow]

hmmm

[lost saffron]

Not worth bonusrolling ever

[worthy yarrow]

then what

[fading sky]

i mean value increases if we had BURST

we do not have burst

[vestal root]

you can always hold puzzle for reck though its not an issue

[fading sky]

well Mythic chimerus 😄

[worthy yarrow]

id have to pug it

and

[fading sky]

no gear

[worthy yarrow]

i kinda dont wanna do that

[vestal root]

more often than not its at most 10-20s diff

[worthy yarrow]

but yea

[fading sky]

find the dungeon with most upgrades

[lost saffron]

Its not about whether its an issue, its about whether its good and worth using bonusrolls on

[fading sky]

and start sending rolls until u deplete it

[vestal root]

fair, its not

MT and npx

[worthy yarrow]

ty

[vestal root]

oh and seat i forgot

also big

but you dont need mt weapon if you got crafted you just need hero offhand, id bonus roll npx and seat first

[undone flower]

Only use of puzzlebox is beloren

[vestal root]

so we can fail on ST dps like gigachads

[worn rain]

seat is cursed place

[worthy yarrow]

noted

[vestal root]

i find seat easy but pugs have issues with it idk

maybe im missing something

[worn rain]

I mean in term of loot

[vestal root]

ah

[worn rain]

10 items

[vestal root]

yeah

[worn rain]

half if them are dogwater

[fading sky]

can they be catalyzed?

[lost saffron]

Pugs have issues breathing through their nose

[worn rain]

trinket and rings are not

[vestal root]

beloren proves it that wow players got carried by addons for far too long, colors are difficult

purge more addons

[worthy yarrow]

heroic beloren is legit harder to pug than mythic chim

[vestal root]

yeah

colors hard

[fading sky]

dno man

i had very very long chimera groups

ppl cant just kick a fear

[worn rain]

throw your bolt

do your part

[undone flower]

Soaks can literally die in beloren you still kill the boss

[fading sky]

kek i always are

[worthy yarrow]

i know its a euphemism

[vestal root]

true, and yet people die from color pizza slices on egg lol

[fading sky]

ofc chimera can be easily solved by just inviting enough ppl

[fading sky]

TBF no weakaura is shouting at them what color they are

[vestal root]

good

learn how to play

[fading sky]

i mean pugs dont

[vestal root]

instead of WA playing for you

i know

[undone flower]

There is a weakaura which puts your color in the middle of your screen

[worthy yarrow]

waiit

[fading sky]

i mean i missed it once or twice ngl 😄

[worthy yarrow]

why BR NXP

for rings?

[icy whale]

do i take hc lura necklace or mythic legs? both sim equally good (have 276 on both slots rn)

[fading sky]

yea?

[worthy yarrow]

okok

[fading sky]

can u craft a necklace thats better ?

then id take legs as legs are bis

[undone flower]

Im bonus rolling nexus point

[vestal root]

and catalyst pieces there too

[undone flower]

Week 2, only got 1 ring

[icy whale]

yeaah but so is the necklace, getting that in mythic will take a while xd

[vestal root]

well i took from vault another bonus roll so surely 1 ring inc

[undone flower]

In 5 rolls

[fading sky]

my point is a crafted necklace is that Better than the lura

[icy whale]

yeah i replied to the wrong message, ill check

[fading sky]

i guess it also depends in theres pants u want from what ever dungeon u are bonus rollin

[icy whale]

i started bonus rolling chimaerus and got duplicate boots last week, kinda regret it..

[worthy yarrow]

all on red

[fading sky]

remember to set spec as prot

and then this week the odds are better ❤️ 😄

[icy whale]

the items i already got from voidcores i cant get again regardless of spec right?

last week i rolled boots as fury (oops)

the crafted necklace sims 0.2~0.3% worse than hc lura

[worn rain]

picking heroic items from vault is kinda cringe ngl

[icy whale]

it is

but soon full mythic anyways, only neck that sims better is mythic lura neck which i wont get next 2 months

but ill just go for pants, maybe i get the neck in hc myself

[fading sky]

show sim pls

[fading sky]

yup

loot list shrinks every roll

if not it would be IMPOSSIBRU in m+ 😄

[stoic loom]

full vaults across 4 characters every week and ive not seen a weapon yet

dookie ahh game

[subtle lagoon]

I'm thinking of taking an extra voidcore instead of legs in vault

[indigo arch]

So tempted to go back fury in keys, just died from 90% slowly to the dot in a 17 magisters last boss

fury eats that shit all day

fk arms lmao

[icy whale]

had to swap some gems around because it still had some arms enchants etc

so best is probably just go pants and if i have to craft a neck in 6 weeks or whatever i can live with 0.2% less, because until then taking the risk to get the same or better neck is worth it

or i guess not in 6 weeks, but rather soon

i have 150 myth crests and 8 items on 276, so i need 640 crests, so in about 5 weeks i'm already max ilvl

[fading sky]

i mean where are u going to BR from ?

does this place have a pair of pants ?

also why arent u using crit related upgrade on ring isnt it better now ?

coz like if u bonusroll from a m+ place that has pants id prob just take neck tbh

if u are spending em on chimera mythic for trinket, then id take pants craft neck

[icy whale]

right now the idea was chimaerus until i have gaze, then terrace, nexus or maaaabye seat

terrace and nexus both have pants

[fading sky]

hmm so have u spend any bonus rolls on chimeraus

?

[icy whale]

last week for duplicate boots yeah, but i kinda regret it, because i feel like most will have gaze in the next weeks on mythic

[fading sky]

i mean more ppl do it

we had so far

1 gaze drop in raid

in the 4 or 5 weeks we killed it

so like just roll it until u have it tbh

[icy whale]

i see it nearly every week

[sage ridge]

You're lucky

[fading sky]

i have seen it once on 2 chars

[icy whale]

and i got my hc gaze in first vault

[fading sky]

id still roll it

its never a waste as long as u set spec to prot

😄

nn to get the useless trinket 😄

[sage ridge]

Honestly your rerolls should focus weapon then trinkets

So if you have a weapon start rolling for Gaze or Heart

[icy whale]

i have 289 vers/mastery

[subtle lagoon]

Set loot to prot and got gaze on my first roll last week, so have so many other people

[fading sky]

y so roll for gaze and heart

100%

[fading sky]

odds are decent only 3 loots r? chest - gaze - feet

if u got feet now its just chest - gaze thats decent odds ngl

[subtle lagoon]

Odds are really good yes

[fading sky]

50% week 2 is decent

then 100% week 3

for a bis trinket, just roll my man

its 3 weeks of loot. and if vault is shit take bonus roll, start progessin to the dungeon u want

or hold em all until u got enough to go "through" said dungeons on rols only

[icy whale]

the only thing im wondering now is

150 crests this week, spend 80 on chimaerus bonus roll

and possibly 70 and 10 of next week on a drop

so maybe i dont take legs, because i need too many crests

and go for hc neck

and if i get gaze now i roll 2 items next week in a dungeon, i think i get items quicker than i get crests

on the other hand lura neck sucks for arms

[pulsar prawn]

Nah. The 2nd boss trinket is nearly only useable for warriors. So technically you should get that by default. Gaze depends. The boss is killable every week and if you also then have a mythic raid vault you will see that pretty soon. Esp when you have heroic that's fine.

So I would say depends how good your guild is and how often you kill these bosses / have raid vaults

[icy whale]

you can kill 4 mythic in pugs easily now

[pulsar prawn]

Yeah. Did even 5 last Id. Took like 3 hrs total with trash n stuff and like 1hr of it was dragons with at least half raid had 0 xp

[icy whale]

dragons are a hit or miss with the group

xd

[glad coyote]

so we will be working on mythic pallys this week and wondering if its worth going arms if ive never played it and using 1 button rotation?

[tardy lark]

just play fury in that case

not that arms is hard, but if you are only getting to paladins now and you arent gods gift to wow, just play what you are comfortable with rather than first timing and half assing something

[worthy yarrow]

if i dont have a guild can i BR heroic chim?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/486284970806083584/1486152563371016261/00-4x.gif

[radiant plank]

you can pug mythic chim

for rolls

[glad coyote]

that was my thinking

[worthy yarrow]

its so cancer to do

ppl running into each other

no kicks on intermission

idk

[tardy lark]

your bis trinkets are very achievable in pugs this tier

[worthy yarrow]

and i rarely get invited bc “CE ONLY”

[tardy lark]

i think its a waste to bonus roll heroic

[worthy yarrow]

alright

[fringe vale]

If he’s 100% not downing it on mythic, you can argue but even then, if heroic i would just save the coins for pit or some other 10+ key

Like at that point just wait for your lucky nat roll on it

[subtle lagoon]

Heroic uses 2 rolls just like Mythic, absolutely a waste especially since you can pug the bosses you'd use rolls on at this point

[sick pagoda]

generally.. is myth offhand vs crafted offhand worth it? assuming you just double down on arcanoweave on armor?

[warm crag]

Idk this is a sim question since this is mostly talking about opportunity cost for your characters Details that we cant know

[sick pagoda]

hence "generally" 🙂 how strong is the emb on weapon. Ill try and sim it and check

[vapid wing]

Hey guys! I have some quick questions, i m trying to see what i m doing good/bad in m+ and compare my logs to some others on warcraft logs, however i can t get it to take my logs. I can see raider io starts logging when i enter either a raid or m+ but the site has entries from weeks ago even tho i did a lot of dungeons yesterday as well. Am i doing something wrong?

Second is do you know if for bonus roll i need to be specced to prot before killing the boss or just before pressing the roll? Do different spec have different lists, meaning by switching to prot i could get something i got already on fury? And lastly, a friend told me that if i got the item from the boss i can't get it from a roll. Like today i rolled normally on the hero set chest but the bonus roll was also that one. I don t remember if i just didn t wait for the actual roll on the item to finish and this is why this happened tho. Thanks in advance

[digital tundra]

Anyone have a whirlwind bar tracker that they can share? Pref the ones that have 4 bars

[lost saffron]

You are gods gift to wow

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/alexis-rose-gif-6689866510033848265

[river spade]

I use SenseiClassResourceBar

[fickle cedar]

rolling in triumvirate feels like pachinko

[compact siren]

Little rat guy

[lost saffron]

Little rat guy

[native wadi]

Btw

Now seriously

Where warr buffs

[lost saffron]

society collapses

warrior is fine

[compact siren]

Get the image mr toph

[lost saffron]

pink warrior is fine

[native wadi]

Red warrior is fine too

[uneven path]

And the other war class is doing just fine as well

[lost saffron]

brown warrior is good in m+

[compact siren]

Gigondas is pumping

Imagine if both Gigondas players were in on lura

The duality of man

[lost saffron]

We wouldve gotten world first

wdym duality

[compact siren]

I think one Gigondas is worse than the other

I can’t tell you which

[lost saffron]

yeh the better one is not in on lura

idk why

[compact siren]

Faaaaak

[lost saffron]

he is too powerful

[compact siren]

Blunder

[lost saffron]

i wish spongie was in on lura

[compact siren]

I don’t think I’m in on lura

[lost saffron]

why

illhitu was blasting on lura

he was…6th

or 7th

[compact siren]

They want to bring Prot Warr

I want to play Diablo

🤝

[lost saffron]

eww

you had my sympathy up to that point

[compact siren]

I will keep messaging Schmidi and cause wipes

[lost saffron]

schmidi just ignores all my messages ingame

[compact siren]

I will also call you on battle net

You will cry

[lost saffron]

that would be fucking funny

i will call you on steam

during baloren kill

[compact siren]

Bird is dead

I will call you on teams

And poke you on teamspeak

[warm crag]

@gleaming siren has not responded to my messages in months

[gleaming siren]

I will continue to ignore you until I leave this mortal shell

[gleaming siren]

I will continue to ignore you until I shuffled off this mortal coil

[lost saffron]

Schmidi used to be different

he used to respond

[gleaming siren]

Okay I am not going to respond to shorts

[lost saffron]

just have to ignore me until lura is dead then i fail trial anyways

and then i join coop

[gleaming siren]

this is what @warm crag is mad about can @solemn plover please confirm

[lost saffron]

Yes

[sour cloak]

Can fury lootpsec still loot one handers?

[woven valley]

no

[odd crater]

Guys I'm doin it

Slayer go brrrrt

[uneven path]

Where can you check the logs for boss DMG ?

[odd crater]

You just click "Boss Damage" instead of "Damage"

It's all still on warcraftlogs

[warm crag]

Fake statistic

[odd crater]

Better?

[warm crag]

Fake statistic

Now lets See Paul Allens healing

[odd crater]

Oh you wanna see my healing?

[west mango]

only logs that matter

[warm crag]

Holy

[autumn harbor]

gotta ask people, what would you pick? im asking due to i dont like how puzzle line up with cooldowns :L

[supple glen]

speaking of boss dmg, the top parse for averzian doesnt hold for adds and just sends on cd. giga chad

super short kill too...

i cant type in monk discord so im going to complain here about my only myth option 🙁

[odd crater]

Idk I still don't have puzzle box and don't think I'd grab it at this point

[vague stump]

puzzle is actually quite good from my experience I am actually playing it now. so I have upgraded myth one and it seems 2% better than my heart in cds w lust

and outside of cds w no lust sims the same

you actually get value when you have pot/lust

this is only for M+ btw

for raid no

[radiant plank]

yeah but then you have to play with puz

[vague stump]

yeah you deffo have to play with it for sure sometimes hold rek/ava for 5 secs or so or save it for burst pulls you know are coming up or whatever

I would deffo pick it over prism

but if I am playing arms no. I just run hero blue plume and heart

[autumn harbor]

hm, thanks for the info guys

[vague stump]

just do some sims thats all I would say and make an informed decision around what you do most. what other trinket do you have?

[supple glen]

Embrace Pizza b

Dont listen to ppl who cant even handel 2s cast times for big gains

[jagged socket]

if i wanted cast times id play caster

[supple glen]

abilities with cast time are just as iconic as rend

[modest condor]

bring back slam having a cast time

[frank dawn]

[supple glen]

and have it it for +300% if you dont move while casting

[wary salmon]

Just get a myth gaze

[scenic flare]

hey im Dtrainer im new and i cant do damage based on my gear lvl. Slaps welcome and justified ( german support would be awesome but eng also fine)

[chilly fractal]

Why can’t you type in the Monk discord

I must know

[verbal hill]

i got extra radiants so going to craft a neck. is there a reason to craft the one without effects over the one with effects? I can't figure out how to sim them.

[vast token]

Did someone say Rend?

[fading sky]

First off sim properly accordin 2 buffs u have. 2ndly look up prio on wowhead

[vast token]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gif-2665742826959095609

Rend gang rise up

[scenic flare]

SIM told
Me 87k single
But I do 60k

[fading sky]

So 87 is with raid buffs and lust

And 100% uptime

[thorn hearth]

you can disable all those to see raw

[kind crystal]

whats the most efficient spec for the 2 drakes in Mythic?

[glad coyote]

thane

[thorn hearth]

whats the best sim to replicate that first AA pull?

[radiant plank]

20t 40s

[supple glen]

bc i am not giving my phonenumber to discord

[rugged night]

Nether i would go reroll for heart of wind. But I hate the idea of puzzlebox

[supple glen]

you should sim those 20t 40s with pbox to really appreciate it

[dense elbow]

20t, 15 seconds, followed by 2min of 5t, to simulate tank dying and you melding... Followed by ish 2 min of kiting by the ranged till tank gets control and things die.

[supple glen]

yeah sim with ER

[thorn hearth]

how do you even run that

[supple glen]

for realism

[thorn hearth]

like in raidbots

[supple glen]

you scroll down to settings

add targets

[thorn hearth]

i can only find it to 10 targets

[supple glen]

true

[thorn hearth]

must be a premium thing

[supple glen]

cleave add function perhaps?

assuming it adds one add per boss

its not that far off from what would happen in that pull

[warm crag]

that was a bad joke ye

no one is simming 20t cleave (its not an option in raidbots unless you wanna get into advanced stuff)

[supple glen]

why not

[thorn hearth]

its for the AA pull specifically

[warm crag]

hectic add cleave isnt a real fight style either

[supple glen]

well, to get a rough grasp about aoe value for certain stuff, 10 is enough for sure

[desert dirge]

is there anything I can drop in the fury tree to pickup enraged regeneration?

[warm crag]

i mean if you wanna optimize to do maximum damage in that one pull of that one dungeon go read into advanced sims but you're in the fury channel and optimizing against what actually matters in m+ which is usually boss damage

[supple glen]

usually like massace

[chilly fractal]

Why is that needed for the monk server? They got freaky shit going on?

[supple glen]

for aa at least yea

[thorn hearth]

ive given up on warrior single target damage

[warm crag]

@compact knot did you figure out if we have to bother with cancelauraing the weapon enchant before chugging a pot or does it not matter

[warm crag]

click n then arms then

you'll do more aoe and ST

[thorn hearth]

i'd rather click 4 buttons and do adequate damage

[supple glen]

idk bro. prob bc its a healer class but way less degen than like priest

[warm crag]

have none of you seen bot protection on discord before or

[supple glen]

ofc but theres a pattern

some wow dcs have it, some dont

[warm crag]

some have good moderation some dont

[chilly fractal]

I’ve never seen a discord need a phone number personally

[supple glen]

classic druid and monk have it too

[scenic flare]

so how does the top 100 has higher dps?

[fading sky]

Wdym

They have 100% uptime follow prio perfectly

And kill bosses fast // or arr allowed pad

[fleet yarrow]

This shit was hilarious

[random shadow]

Was it mythic tho

[fleet yarrow]

Nah heroic

[random shadow]

Not as cool

[fleet yarrow]

what if I said its my 2nd week playing this expansion?

[random shadow]

Hm wouldn't change my views as much

They made everything this season a lot easier like gearing. Espically turbo boost

[warm crag]

you are not clearing mythic chim week 2

[random shadow]

I mean for heroic

Not mythic

Tho if he was a newer player in general then maybe ye

[smoky vale]

hey i cleared it week 1

[random shadow]

Ye you tell him

[bitter palm]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170378356588552214/1498412062303453234/associate.gif

[warm crag]

you are 57 years old

[fleet yarrow]

ye

like Im already full heroic gear playing as solo

felt turbo easy

[random shadow]

Turbo ez pz. Can even get mythic as soon as you get into 10s

[odd crater]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-angry-kid-congrats-nice-happy-for-you-gif-16045257244806990422

[random shadow]

Box dimming higher then heart o.o

[fleet yarrow]

Yeah but its weird

[random shadow]

I want heart but I cba to pug second boss

Guidon will have do

[fleet yarrow]

ye this is just 6/6 heroic

I just like box for m+ over heart

[random shadow]

Idk its nice having 2 passive and no actives

[fleet yarrow]

Oh 100%

If Im not certain on when exactly im using boxes in a fight I switch it out immediately

[odd crater]

Active trinkets are better if you never forget to use them, which I do

Therefore sim is a liar

[random shadow]

Box good if it wasn't hard csst

And moveable

Other wise idc

[fleet yarrow]

That moment you pop your cd's and realise you forgot to box

[odd crater]

Wouldn’t know, don’t have box

Still livin that crucible/plume life baby

[fleet yarrow]

I just actually need to get into mythic raids now

[random shadow]

Pug dreamrift

Ez pz fight

[fleet yarrow]

fury and im 273item lvl

[random shadow]

Then bonus roll and never go bsck

Maybe up the ilevel but fury is the fine

I got mine as fury noe I dont touch fury anymor

[odd crater]

Dreamrift is easy, it’s just that 90% of people can’t do mechanics

And kill people on swaps

[random shadow]

As my guild can't do it still

[dense elbow]

ppl desperate for warrior buff, noone wanna play warrior atm

So ya will get in

Warrior in high demand