fury

[modest condor]

worst argument in the world

[languid gate]

not an argument, cope

[frank dawn]

have we ever actually had worse tho? LIke for real lmao.

[modest condor]

you're right, it's so bad it's not even an argument

[compact knot]

id argue cata fury warrior was the worst it ever was

but that was a different time

[modest condor]

fury was way better in cata than it is now

[inland coral]

I was doing more ST damage as mage at 240 ilvl than my maxed out fury

[languid gate]

I'll say Thane feels good to play at least the spec and tree feel complete and fun, just numbers are oof

[compact knot]

i really dont think so lmao

the gameplay was ass

and only did the same dps as everyone else if you have 2 different sets of gear

and if you fucked it up you did healer ps

[modest condor]

why are you bringing gameplay into a tuning conversation?

and that's not true at all

the only spec that did healer dps in cata was frost mage

[olive wraith]

S1 Df was probably the worst in recent history

And I think we were little below mid then?

[dense jewel]

and?

[modest condor]

one of my guildies actually played frost mage as a joke on reclear and he was orange parsing doing 32k dps when everybody else was doing 45k+

[compact knot]

you can enchant +3 stamina to your gloves 🔥

[inland coral]

I can’t deny fury is very fun, feels awesome, best class fantasy (imo) but I have to acknowledge my underlying desire to do more than glorified tank damage on raid prog

[warm crag]

Holy

[languid gate]

Sorry, was going to elaborate further into saying that Slayer on the other hand both feels bad and is badly tuned

either way we're probably not getting anything but aura and you can bet it'll be like 2-3

The recent tuning has been baffling

[olive wraith]

My guess is 5~ for aura

[dense jewel]

goes hard, gotta enchant my mythic voidclaw gauntlets asap

[sullen dove]

even like 10% probably wouldn’t do much for raid

[inland coral]

There’s about 3 bosses where frost is near the bottom, but they are top 3 on all the others

[compact knot]

in context of cataclysm

not todays raid

[warm crag]

reading comprehension 2026

[kind citrus]

3% aura or we get nothing, but at least we can

[compact knot]

frost was very bad in cata, fury was probably better then frost

[inland coral]

Ah thanks for clarifying. Anyway it was a sad day today clicking the mage button on raid signups. Decade(s?) of fury play.

[warm crag]

if your guild is using signups you can just stick to fury

[modest condor]

the old logs website doesnt exist anymore but i played fury in t11 and t12 no problem

[warm crag]

its bad in the context of higher end progression raiding but for most guilds its still bring the player not the class

[compact knot]

idk im mostly using the context of classic cata cause i played the whole expansion as a warrior dps

[inland coral]

Yes it’s true. I’m playing casually with IRLs so I need to carry more than my usual mythic group.

[compact knot]

and it was really really bad

[modest condor]

i know literally 0 about cata classic

im talking about cata when it was current on retail

[crystal pond]

Hi Again Guys! I was here at around lunch time and was talking a bit about Slayer and some changes.. i Cooked a bit..
Have Fun!
Laught at it, Flame it, but take a look just for fun 😉
Lets Make Slayer Great Again!
Warrior Goes !

[warm crag]

condemn :(

[compact knot]

condemn 🐐

[crystal pond]

it can also go for arms, but theres nothing on the general tree for Execute.. if im not wrong

[warm crag]

condemn is poopoo and ruins our execute niche

[languid gate]

It feels so fucking bad that execute is literally not even our gimmick anymore

[crystal pond]

we can do it here

[hybrid cargo]

no changes is my bet

[frank dawn]

they can't even fix all the bugs that launched last week, good luck getting them to tune their game

[lilac osprey]

it doesnt seem likey they're getting to any tuning this week still trying to clean up the mess of bugs the patch launched with

[olive wraith]

Get bro out of the kitchen

[uneven path]

One thing I would tell you to do

[compact knot]

they are slowly fixing some of the bugs across most specs

just

[uneven path]

Is if you want BS on AM

[compact knot]

slowly

...

[hybrid cargo]

we arent bugged

we're just bad

[warm crag]

im unsure if the people fixing bugs are the same people tuning classes

[hybrid cargo]

working as intended

[olive wraith]

Limited staff

[frank dawn]

I'm unsure if any of these people are actually working at all tbh

[olive wraith]

Who knows if they have dual responsibility

[lilac osprey]

i doubt they have people specifically doing tuning based on how the tuning schedule has been

[languid gate]

still a beta small indie company

[compact knot]

well the class design and tuning people have to be different people

[uneven path]

You would have to remove the CDR from SD and make the Executioner increase the effectiveness of reap from SD

[crystal pond]

at the moment its normal that the buigs are hard to fix.. theres so much data in game that if they fix something they will fuck up something else for sure..

[compact knot]

cause no way they looked at ddh both teams agreed that they needed that

no aura tuning on some specs is pretty nasty though

[uneven path]

@crystal pond So the SD would still have 100% reap, but it would be increased 15% per stack of executioner +-

[crystal pond]

true but it coud be fine to have those 8secs for 15% increase haste more often haha

[olive wraith]

Stop with the 100% reap chance on rotational abilities

[crystal pond]

that would be also clean

[compact knot]

SD reap being 100% is like the only thing i agree being 100%

cause otherwise it would be a proc on a proc

which is cringe

[languid gate]

agreed

[sullen dove]

need the return of the king cowfarmers

Only way fury is saved

[crystal pond]

taking it out of SD would be fine.. its just wierd to execute and have Reap the storm

[sullen dove]

he will find 15% dps in another build

[compact knot]

loboz build

[olive wraith]

Disagree. Sd reap is a good change

[crystal pond]

im fine either way

[uneven path]

Make us press the SD on aoe without feeling like shit

[sonic shoal]

With how current OF works, it would be nice to have the OF/Avatar interaction come back tbh

[crystal pond]

but i have been doing 16's as slayer and you barely feel reap the storm proc in big packs

[uneven path]

The rampage ?

Yeh

[olive wraith]

I means it’s only a 20% chance

[crystal pond]

yy

[uneven path]

The 20% doesnt feel good

[crystal pond]

let me get a log to put here the dmg

[frank dawn]

the reap change is booty

[crystal pond]

and im forcing rampage for more reaps xD

[olive wraith]

Well don’t do that

Change RR into a iww funnel talent

[uneven path]

idk I think the 20% for ramp to proc reap is kinda miss

[crystal pond]

magister terrace

[uneven path]

it should be either more, or to change it completely

[crystal pond]

all packs can be cleaved to proc reap..

[uneven path]

Feels like you dont press BB and BT enough

[crystal pond]

it was with haste flask

just to put as many rampages as possible

literaly forcing reap the storm

usually i play with mastery flask

and pot goes with mastery etc

[olive wraith]

Again, don’t do that lmao

It’s a loss

[crystal pond]

was a test

i will check a mastery one

[wise cave]

Playing slayer is a loss, they need to strip it down to the studs and rebuild it

[worn yoke]

My take on realistic changes we can hope for but still likely not get that puts fury in a better spot overall and brings slayer closer to MT at high target count

• Autoattack damage up (ST problem solved. 100% more white hit damage would net us a ~7% ST increase putting us mid to top of pack, so maybe 50% is reasonable)
• Put Bloodthirst and Mortal Strike back on RTS at 20% chance per cast. Keep the Cleave / Rampage effect at 3+ targets at 20% also (unlikely to see this but more reap is good)
• Execute damage increased by 15% (class buff, all specs)
• Increase the DoT portion of Odyns Fury by 100-200%

[modest condor]

we had that much auto attack damage during the beta and everybody complained

with our talents you just cant make auto attacks strong or we take all the auto attack nodes and it does 25% of your damage

[worn yoke]

for 10+ years of this game fury damage was massively white hits. there's nothing wrong with that. we have 2 big fuck off weapons swinging like crazy. makes sense

[uneven path]

yeh I am kinda surprised ppl are still pushing here for aa buff

I recall when it was like second in dmg on beta and a lot of ppl were not happy

[crystal pond]

this i ran out of flask.. i ran out of recklessness pots.. was a pit 16

agaain spamming as much as i coud rampage

[worn yoke]

I'm also wagering that a potential AA buff is just one of the easiest ways to fix our biggest weak point right now, would just be a simple turn of the knob for bliz's newest intern

[frank dawn]

buffing auto attacks won't do anything that other tuning can't do, and leaves the spec more flexible and reliant on button presses instead of right click auto swings

[modest condor]

the moment you make auto attacks slightly too strong this talent becomes worth taking and suddenly auto attacks are an extra 50% stronger

[frank dawn]

and auto attack talents are the most boring shit in this game

[modest condor]

that talent is just a problem tbh

get rid of it

[olive wraith]

The game isn’t the same as 10 years ago. Let white hits die

[frank dawn]

white hits are absolutely as strong as they need to be atm imo, it was fine to buff them headed into this expansion

they don't need to be stronger

[worn yoke]

meaningless white hits doing 1-3% of damage is also a problem imo - but might / must be a minority in that take

[olive wraith]

Also, I’d prefer they keep the majority of our slayer aoe away from reap

[frank dawn]

I mean on single target white hits are like 8-9% no?

[undone flower]

I’d prefer they remove white hits

[frank dawn]

obviously in AoE they go way down

[crystal pond]

as slayer we already spam so many buttons, we dont really need the aa to do more dmg.. just make our buttons hit harder xD

[modest condor]

i mean white hits arent 1-3% of our damage on st

[worn yoke]

in the (recent) past i'm referring to

[crystal pond]

make odyns fury hit hard.. and bladestorm aswell..

[worn yoke]

those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

[modest condor]

bladestorm hits plenty hard

[frank dawn]

Bladestorm is fine now imo, just needs to actually line up with reck reliably

[worn yoke]

bladestorm on anger management 100%

[olive wraith]

L take

[crystal pond]

during prepatch slayer was doing less aoe but way more st then MT if they want it like that sure.. but sometimes doesnt make much sence when we have bladestorm that usesd to hit like a fking truck.. if the excuse isd stealling aggro.. make tanks get more aggro.. this isnt classic where tanks struggled with aggro and you had furys tanking..

[worn yoke]

do you literally not remember the war crimes of TWW S1? Blizzard will never let fury dump all of its AOE damage within 3 globals again

[olive wraith]

It’s 1 season out of 60.

[crystal pond]

that was fun as fuck xD

but if you didnt waited long eneugh you would blast and die

[olive wraith]

Just because we were nerfed once in that way doesn’t mean it’ll happen every time we have burst

[worn yoke]

We can all want many things, it's what blizzard will actually (potentially at best) allow and not allow to happen

[crystal pond]

people just dont like when warriors are toping meeters..

since shadowlands people would complain when warriors were topping meters and when its any other class people would just say.. whelll that class is just broken..

[wise cave]

I think they should buff warriors by deleting paladins and banning paladin players.

[worn yoke]

buff warriors by giving DKs an actual raid buff (3% haste?) and making all adds in Raid non grippable.

[olive wraith]

They already removed one of the biggest problems with s1 tww do you not remember we had double odyns

[crystal pond]

yy

[worn yoke]

double odyns and BS was a force to be reckoned with and we all loved it but then subsequently got put in the gutter almost literally ever since.

[crystal pond]

also.. in the spiders raid.. the most fun build 45 secs all cds was just viable vs ovinax

[olive wraith]

We also had burst in s3 Df. That wast nerfed

I feel like people hyper focus on one really bad season

[crystal pond]

s3 df was also good dmg yes. i didnt played that much.. the 1st season i took a little break from the game.. started the season and came back in the end

[worn yoke]

everyone was broken in DFS3

[uneven path]

Man the DF S3 with Fyrakks trinket

man that was something

[crystal pond]

its fun when all the classes are "broken" in theyr way

[worn yoke]

hard agree

[olive wraith]

Everyone was broken doesn’t sound right

[crystal pond]

having soimething that makes them shine

[unkempt oasis]

I don't think warriors are that bad right now. Viable in every fight.

[wise cave]

Everyone has had their turn to shine over the past couple of expansions. Except fire mages.

[olive wraith]

Someone is lying to you lol

[olive wraith]

Huh?

[unkempt oasis]

What fight are we bad in?

[olive wraith]

Are you including Df

[crystal pond]

fire mage i remmeber they had a really strong season.. shadowlands if im not wrong..

[covert coyote]

Critcake was actually getting hyped to not be dead last DPS on L'ura today

[crystal pond]

wana see the dmg overall from raid? xDDD

[quiet geyser]

S1 shadowlands release before the 24% aura buffs we got

[crystal pond]

span of 1 week

[worn yoke]

overall damage is a meme within itself. Any class can be good at overall damage if they have a group full of ethical players (lol like that exists)
Boss damage is abysmal and we're a large enough margin behind that it really does need to be fixed.

[unkempt oasis]

Not even that bad

[crystal pond]

after the fixes

1 day

doesnt say much

also all bosses together etc

[frozen scarab]

is that boss dmg

[worn yoke]

filter boss damage

and grab a tissue

[crystal pond]

i will

[wise cave]

The game is the least fun when arms is a more viable spec than fury.

[quiet geyser]

Bro you dont need to link every fucking boss

[unkempt oasis]

Meta on Bird though

[quiet geyser]

We all know fury sucks dog shit

[olive wraith]

Idc if arms is better as long as we are average or better

[frozen scarab]

why is paladins dmg so low isnt it a cleave fight

[covert coyote]

I don't even get to parse because the #1 ddh in the Americas is in my guild and eats all the pad

[crystal pond]

sorry for the spam

[lilac osprey]

all the best players just go arms for it

[crystal pond]

if theres adds we go up a bit.. if theres no adds.. oops

[unkempt oasis]

Ngl we are kinda high on bird

[wise cave]

It's weird that we're better on the Saladbar fight than Vorasius. It's not that different.

[crystal pond]

saladar is full pad

[lilac osprey]

mythic saladhar has a ton of cleave

[crystal pond]

you can save cooldowns, when small balls spawn blast all cooldowns and you shine

[lilac osprey]

one of the few fights where a longer kill time is better for parsing

[quiet geyser]

Who woulda thought a spec that is tuned just piss poorly would be pretty mid on a fight you'd think it would be good at

[covert coyote]

yeah I really hate when parses are entirely dependant on unethical padding

i'll take partial, but ehwne I see the WW monks and cleavey bois go straight for the little orbs instead of the big ones it just feels gross

[sonic shoal]

Start of Legion into EN

[frozen scarab]

which spec has the best st rn anyways

ddh?

[crystal pond]

also.. slayer was "supose" to be much bether at "st" then MT.. because of the avatar extend you barelly do more dmg in ST then MT xD

[quiet geyser]

Start of SL was way worse

[olive wraith]

That’s not why

[crystal pond]

ho also procs of bt giving 35% on top of the execute fase xD

[quiet geyser]

Fury is pretty much doomed to be hot garbage the first patch of pretty much every expansion lol

[crystal pond]

this 3 together.. hit hard..

[quiet geyser]

This tier just seems extra shitty cuz theres really not a single boss fury is good at

Dragons arguably.. thats about it

[crystal pond]

dragons is just strong because of thunderblast procs

[frail bloom]

🎱 || higher than currently ||

[frozen scarab]

yeah dragons dps is so fraudulent

[smoky vale]

kess was playing overlord in keys but its not about motes

[frozen scarab]

everything we do this tier is padded

[smoky vale]

something about duplicate uptime

[crystal pond]

you save odyns always for adds and pray for thunderblast procs or to allign the cooldowns there

[olive wraith]

Dungeon tuning before fury tuning

Kek

Surely class tuning before end of day

[frail bloom]

yawn

[smoky vale]

how does overlord give more duplicate uptiem

@gleaming siren help

[frail bloom]

it doesnt for the first

but the second

which you hardly ever use

[smoky vale]

wym you hardly use

surely you get 2 breaths in lust

[sonic shoal]

Well because we're not as bursty as we used to be. Way too many targets and we're still kinda capped. Our cds are short, but not as meaningful as they used to be ;s

[frail bloom]

if the pull is alive post lust

then i have questions

[smoky vale]

yeahhh

okay i just dont play overlord then

also im not finding myself in the position to the do pooling often

but maybe bc no haste and low key

[bitter palm]

come eu

spam 10s

[frozen scarab]

what class is this

[stoic rampart]

int warrior

“where do you work out”
at the library

[inland flame]

Warrior already strong. Use gear to get smart.

[odd crater]

Guys what even is the lore for Midnight, I skipped all the cutscenes

[reef merlin]

Gear question: I'm currently using whirling voidcleaver (haste mastery axe from MT). I picked up Bellamy's from the raid (same tier - heroic) and it's actually simming worse for me. Alah'endal also sims worse for me. Why are these two downgrades? Rather, they're roughly equivalent to slightly worse

[odd crater]

Is Whirling upgraded to max, and the others your simming at their dropped levels? Could also just be your current gear and stat weighings

[lusty jungle]

its fine guys they added a minute to academy so fury warriors can make it too

[reef merlin]

I set the ilvl in the drop down and checked the box to make sure all my equipment is the same ilvl. The weapon is maxed but some of my other gear isnt

[olive wraith]

The stats just sim better for you

[smoky vale]

[smoky vale]

no man

[tepid beacon]

what pots do you go for, light's potential or recklessness? I know every guide recommends LP but still

[bitter palm]

gg

i did 130k in a 10 maisara

at 255

what the helly is ret

legit nothing lives execution sentence

its so peak

acquired puzzy b

its nowhere near as annoying as on warr

cause at least it aligns

[undone flower]

ww monk for the w

[supple glen]

ww is meta for that orb affix 🔥

ez invites this week

[smoky vale]

myth one as well?

[bitter palm]

no

i got dragon games equipment

from bonus roll

and ring

axaxaxxa

[supple glen]

[smoky vale]

ring bis though

no>?

[eternal sundial]

@bitter palm you will be my designated leech trader atp

[bitter palm]

👍

4 cloaks

[smoky vale]

i got leech pit cloack

gg

[bitter palm]

from weekly 5 timewalking

[smoky vale]

die

[bitter palm]

ye might be time for armsrework

to pack it up

[bitter palm]

its only champ tho

[smoky vale]

ive been the same ilvl

for 3 weeks

[bitter palm]

what ilvl

[bitter palm]

come eu we make god comp and time 24s

[smoky vale]

281

[bitter palm]

ye i mean

same

and im not sure if im

moving up any time soon

[smoky vale]

just gotta wait for crests to uncap

and then bonus roll every week

and then rpay

idk

ive gotten nothing from raid

[bitter palm]

the fact

that they are uncapped yet

is CRAZY

[smoky vale]

the more annoying part

is that there is no hardmode

[bitter palm]

ok so like

[smoky vale]

or something

[bitter palm]

how do i

get

hero crests

i legit cant

i need to do

[smoky vale]

raid or 8s

lol

[bitter palm]

40000 more keys

to cap myth crests

[smoky vale]

do full hero

[bitter palm]

at 255

im not getting invited

[smoky vale]

annd thats surely like 100 crests

[bitter palm]

even if i link shit

[smoky vale]

just get carried in 12s

and then craft everything

and then go do raid

[bitter palm]

im the one carrying in pugs

[smoky vale]

lol

well i can just cruise by

[bitter palm]

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[smoky vale]

bc im playing

[bitter palm]

255 ret vs 280 bm

[bitter palm]

crafted weapon

lowk just praying

i dont roll weapon in algethar

[smoky vale]

why craft weapon man

zzz

you're gonna get it from aa anyways

[bitter palm]

cba waiting

[smoky vale]

wym cba

you are gonna get unlucky and get pbox last

cluegi

[bitter palm]

unlucky then

[smoky vale]

im gonna craft cloak and then ring

3 slots boom

[wicked scarab]

Ret is so disgustingly good lol

[worn rain]

it's not even confirmed that we will get uncapped crests

[smoky vale]

i mean theyve uncapped for the past whatever many seasons

just when

[bitter palm]

its soooo fuckign dumb

@smoky vale

what ilvl

do 8s drop

is it 3/6

i assume its not

[smoky vale]

no

3/6 is 10

[worn rain]

I think we can get forge instead of crest uncap

[bitter palm]

👍

they really havent thought about this

[bitter palm]

there are people who didnt roll

cause of too many myth items

there are people who took alleria neck from vault

or rolled it

to save crests

i doubt the second part but ik for a fact there are people who took it from vault

cause its 6/6

upgrading is SO convoluted

cause crests arent uncappe

d

[frozen scarab]

thank god they are increasing AA timer

[north edge]

again？

[bitter palm]

its still not enough

it will still be at least 1 key level

harder than rest

they fixed aug pulling eagles on mini boss right

[north edge]

AA is such a depressing key for arms

[hot shell]

AA is a horrible dungeon. The only satusfaction i have is spellrelecting the bomb on Endboss for less puddles

[north edge]

my team always wants to take a aug for bleed clear

then either a dk or dh

[bitter palm]

arms with aug

[north edge]

and i end up like 400k lower on dps after first pull

[bitter palm]

is so depressing idk

me when i play maisara

with aug

and the aug just removes my funnel

on 2nd boss

cause of breath or w/e that stuns the warriors

👍

[vestal root]

aug terrorism is real

[north edge]

issue is its just so good

that almost everyone just wants ot run Aug + DK + DH

[hot shell]

I love when aug randomly put you into places where u cant reach the boss anymore

[vestal root]

i wonder if next season is aug gonna get nerfed a lot

or are they gonna run the season again

[north edge]

i think it just depends on the classes

dh dk are so broken right now

their amp with aug is insane

[vestal root]

how often are physical comps meta compared to magic?

[north edge]

making aug the top dps

[hot shell]

Just remove dragons from the game, problem solved

[olive wraith]

Cmon they haven’t been meta for 3 whole seasons

[vestal root]

feel like magic just innately has better time in this game

[latent trail]

What’s y’all ilvl like and dps like single target hero raid

[vestal root]

dogwater

[north edge]

im 283 ilvl i do like 50k dps on ST bosses in keys

[vestal root]

ok i do more than that

[hybrid cargo]

Thats fucking wild... really?

[latent trail]

Makes me feel better lol I’m 269 and doing that

[vestal root]

but still bad

[hybrid cargo]

Lol

[hot shell]

What a ragebait

[north edge]

not ragebait, in the 17 SR i legit did 50k on last boss

took us 5 minutes to kill

[vestal root]

awesome

[hot shell]

Ragebait

[hybrid cargo]

It did really piss me off logging my uhdk after they fixed the bugs... that buff was so unnecessary its not even funny

[vestal root]

it was necessary

uhdk keep paying the sub

warrior mains play regardless

[north edge]

i just want slarms back

colo feels so clunky

[vestal root]

war plays love to get abused idk whats up with that

[vestal root]

i cant get used to it

brain aint wired for that playstyle

[worn yoke]

the strongest men shoulder the toughest burdens

[vestal root]

yep thats why we are on bottom of dps meters

because we are too "manly" and dont wanna whine about it

[north edge]

demolish is a circle magnet

i swear every time i press it, a bad circle lands at my feet

[wicked scarab]

Californians bruh

[north edge]

and i panic leap away after demo

[vestal root]

just leap during demo

ez

[hot shell]

I dont even know what we are good at, honestly.
Horrible AT, aoe burst is meh, aoe consistant damage is lower than some 2 button classes.. what are we here for

[north edge]

battle shout

in melee comps

[wicked scarab]

To make magic look good

[vestal root]

protection spec

[bitter palm]

best spec in melee comp

[north edge]

if brew wasnt so giga broken

we'd be replaced by prot wars in keys

[bitter palm]

its just cringe that

[north edge]

and they'd just take a ww instead

[bitter palm]

nah no way

u would play bear

bear is insane

[hot shell]

Dude. I went into voice for my 17 skyreach. The monktank laughed at my damage while being above me

[north edge]

you can just go with feral instead of bear though

[vestal root]

idk bears either tank giga or fold insta

after brews i find protwars just super duper

[north edge]

i still havent timed 17 SR despite having timed 18 NPX

[vestal root]

especially for dungeons this season, protwarrior can really abuse some

PoS is playground

[bitter palm]

ye for arms doing 250k overall without aug topping every boss

its just cringe that slayer is shit

cause colo requires to get pulled around

[vestal root]

after hearing how bad holy paladins are whole season i found out today that most players apparently play the wrong hero talent

[bitter palm]

so people in pugs suffer

like in skyreach u can funnel on all but 3rd

and 3rd has 2t so its not bad

[hot shell]

Why is fury chat about arms again?
Anyways. Slayer is more fun to play

[vestal root]

we all warriors here

most of us play both specs

[north edge]

they can just taek a aug instead

[bitter palm]

but aint anyone pulling the trash on top of first boss

[hot shell]

Wdym both

We have 3

[bitter palm]

in a pug

[north edge]

and ignore the bird on 3rd boss

[hot shell]

👀

[vestal root]

tank is not real

[north edge]

aug has like 3 ways to save shit

[bitter palm]

ye but ure not playing aug in phys comp

[worn yoke]

Slayer gang 💯

[vestal root]

hunta instead

[north edge]

thats what i mean though, why would anyone play phys comp in a pug when they can just go dk dh aug instead

its just warriors putting up their own keys demanding phys comp lol

[vestal root]

you guys think they done with balancing for this season?

[bitter palm]

surely not

[hot shell]

Nah. Dev need buffs

[vestal root]

surely

[bitter palm]

ddh needs to get gutted but its not happening probably

cause its john midnight

spec

uhdk needs to get nerfed by 20% on st

[vestal root]

legendary glaive inc

[bitter palm]

unironically

needs a 20% st nerf

[hot shell]

I mean

[uneven path]

'Surely not, surely this week we will get more tuning

[vestal root]

[hot shell]

Have you played beloren 1egg?
Uhdk has CONSISTANT 200K ST BURST FOR 30 SECONDS

[vestal root]

uhdk is fair

also has death grip

and brez

and amz

and range

"melee" spec

[hot shell]

We have ap shout. And shockwave.

[bitter palm]

its not even good on beloren

[olive wraith]

I’m sure other phys dps want to do phys comps

[bitter palm]

a lot of better specs

[vestal root]

20 ddhs on beloren pls

[hot shell]

P sure unholy and rogues are the best u can get for beloren. Atleast from what i saw

[vestal root]

which rogues

sub?

[bitter palm]

ele shaman

ww

maybe not ww anymore i heard their burst got shot

[vestal root]

ele shammy has crazy CDs yeah

[bitter palm]

ddh

sub demo lock

[vestal root]

idk whats up with ww one pull they are giga gapping everyone other they are bottom

[bitter palm]

this is erokas guild kill

[vestal root]

dont know how their specs work

[hot shell]

My ddhs and ele shamys chill at 110-130. My uhdks and rogue chill at 200+

[bitter palm]

during lust on egg

[hot shell]

173k? How in the f did he manage that

[vestal root]

still on bottom btw

[bitter palm]

lust on egg

if uhdk was actually good on beloren they would be playing it

unless ure talking about hc

but hc is 💤

[uneven path]

When was this ?

[bitter palm]

2 days ago

[uneven path]

Wasnt then Dk still bugged ?

[hot shell]

Nah dk was fixed by then

[bitter palm]

not sure actually

fair point

[sullen tendon]

tomorrow they will announce patch tuning for the next reset and they are going to revert the revert on thunder clap

just for the fun of it

[vestal root]

[bitter palm]

its wild how

we need like

20% st buff

both dps specs

xdddd

[hot shell]

They can remove thane for All i care. Buff slayer

[wicked scarab]

And they just won’t give it

[vestal root]

and we still aint anywhere up with that buff

[sullen tendon]

add a htird hero spec im tired of both

[uneven path]

Hear you loud and clear, more slayer nerfs coming right up

[sullen tendon]

slayer is just bladestorm but a little more and moutnain thane is jsut thunder clap but a little more

i want it to completely change our visuals

[vestal root]

im curious about next seasons tier bonus rly

[bitter palm]

arms needs to get

current tier as a talent or apex

its carrying the spec

[uneven path]

Something with RB

[bitter palm]

so hard

[vestal root]

is it gonna be peenice % buff or maybe something gameplay changing

[vestal root]

TRUTH

[bitter palm]

i cant wait for them to NOT give us current tier a s a talent or w/e

[hot shell]

The fact that fury set is about an OPTIONAL TALENT is as stupid as its gonna get

[vestal root]

without it you can remove the spec

[uneven path]

On S2 they usually use tier set to force unsued talents

[bitter palm]

and to be even more undertuned

[vestal root]

it wouldnt surprise me

[sullen tendon]

2 set: increaes damage of rampaging ruin by 25%
4 set: casting rampage causes your bloodthirst to gain 5% extra damage and have a 10% chance to give you recklessness for 3 seconds.

[vestal root]

[uneven path]

Nah

[bitter palm]

2set: raging blow damage increased by 50000%

[uneven path]

No way they would make set around RR

That thing is dead

[vestal root]

perfect time for hack and slash

[sullen dove]

slayer hero talent requires manaforge 2pc in it

actually sick its not in

would fix like all of our st problems

or most of em

[bitter palm]

yep

for both specs

[uneven path]

Should've been reworked during beta

[compact knot]

https://tenor.com/view/wordle-worst-of-all-time-oat-of-all-time-thiss-might-be-the-worst-gif-13538041824317567053

[bitter palm]

both slayer warriors need the manaforge 2set

[uneven path]

I know

[sullen tendon]

2 set: increases damage of slam by 40%
4 set: when you cast slam you activate shield slam at 50% effectivness

Fury btw ^

[bitter palm]

im doing more st

[vestal root]

bring back df s3

[bitter palm]

as 255 ret than 280 colo arms

thoughts

[uneven path]

Man that tier set was banger

[compact knot]

thought.

[vestal root]

beautiful

[compact knot]

ok

well

[uneven path]

Only if you give me Fyrakk trinekt

[compact knot]

its time for me to kill midnight falls

go

[bitter palm]

hoooooly

[uneven path]

gl

[bitter palm]

r1 parse incoming

[wicked scarab]

Paladin is the upgrade to Warrior

[vestal root]

penis parse inc

[bitter palm]

did a dps warrior kill it already

@compact knot

[wicked scarab]

Like how it is for Gladiator in FF

[bitter palm]

or are u first

[compact knot]

weswarr did prior to .5

then the xd warrior

[bitter palm]

wes

[compact knot]

i believe there is 2 chinese warriors who have

or just asian warriors

[vestal root]

dynasty warrior

[compact knot]

idk some place in asia

[bitter palm]

andre did pretty good no

[hot shell]

People who play paladins think anduin is a cool dude.
People who think Anduin is a cool dude have issues
People who have issues play paladin
Its a closed circle

[bitter palm]

also nice 1 blizzard

logging the dawn crystal

👍

surely i want to see it on my logs

[sullen tendon]

all of my warrior idols die horrific deaths for no reason

[vestal root]

warrior if it was good

[hot shell]

Hear me out

[bitter palm]

varian death was peak

[hot shell]

https://tenor.com/view/garrosh-orgrimmar-walking-warcraft-gif-16112512

[vestal root]

garrosh my goat

[bitter palm]

actually crazy that the sod cutscene of him on soulrender

[sullen tendon]

all the warriors in lore die via blowing themselves up or someone cheating in a duel

[bitter palm]

didnt get a proper cinematic

[sullen tendon]

oh you like dthese characters? we are obliterating their souls and removing every refernece of them from future lore because i hate war!

[hot shell]

That dude was an actual warrior.
Varian was also a great warrior, Blizzard did him dirty tho

What do we got now? Anduin, permanently crying in a corner
Turalyon with Vietnam war Syndrom
Arator, a 40yo hipster with a daddy complex

What happened ?

[sullen tendon]

varian blew himself up

[vestal root]

war is scawy >:3

[sullen tendon]

broxigar blew him self up

grom blew himself up

carine died to cheating

garrosh died to cheating

[hybrid cargo]

thrall blew up garrosh XD

[sullen tendon]

twofer

saurfang died to cheating

[vestal root]

blizz not a big fan of warriors

[wicked scarab]

Didn’t Thrall downgrade to warrior?

[vestal root]

we die to every1

[hot shell]

Blizzard just isnt a fan of male rolemodels at this point

[hybrid cargo]

thrall rerolled

[sullen tendon]

yea he cheated so the elements gave up on him

[vestal root]

we are getting blown up on meters

[sullen tendon]

he isnt even a warrior

[vestal root]

thrall is bum class

[sullen tendon]

he jsut sits around and does nothing

[hybrid cargo]

i mean before drekthar he was

[sullen tendon]

we got him his stupid fucking new axe and he never uses it

[frozen scarab]

what ilvl did you guys clear mythic voidspire

[vestal root]

baine is a warrior

[sullen tendon]

actually thrall can still use elements

[vestal root]

that also does nothing

[wicked scarab]

[sullen tendon]

cause he made those brides in sanctum of domination

bridges

[bitter palm]

warriors just wield some epic magical weapon

do something and then die

all they got is balls

[sullen tendon]

they should have lord of the rings logic in wow

[bitter palm]

to kill themselves

[sullen tendon]

if you kill enough things with your weapon those enemies start running away from you when you wield it

[vestal root]

our legion order hall are probably gonna be villains next xpac

odyn a bitch

[sullen tendon]

stromkar could

its got a cthraxis essence in it

[bitter palm]

also kinda funny

how in skyhold

there are just non warriors

despite being warrior order hall

and "valhalla"

arent only warriors supposed to go to valhalla

[vestal root]

well it wasnt made for us as warrior class

[bitter palm]

after dying with honor

[hot shell]

I wanna remind you that we Plundered paladin orderhall for no reason. Orderhalls dont mean anything anymore

[sullen tendon]

i bet the halls of valor were originally for paladins but then they changed it halfway through development

[vestal root]

warrior class is not a real thing in lore its just "guy good with swords"

meanwhile we use titan order magic and summon thunder and go berserk mode

[lusty jungle]

You all should reroll so I can grab these easy 99s

[sullen dove]

lmao

[vestal root]

omw bro

[hot shell]

That insta ban

[sullen tendon]

the mr beast coin scam bots are in full force lately

ive been seeing them in every server

[vestal root]

mr beast challenge if you win warrior gets buffed

[hot shell]

Whats scaring me is that this thing is alive since 2019

[sullen tendon]

what is\

[hot shell]

Mrbeast scam

[sullen tendon]

mr beast didnt exist until like 2 years ago

he wasnt popular

like any e celeb they have 0 viewers initially and then out of nowhere after they sign with a telnt agency and have hollywood connections bot armies boost their engagment and then they all of a sudden are all over hte news

[compact knot]

he has been popular since 2017

lol

[sullen tendon]

no he wasnt

no one i nthis world heard of mr beast until 2023

[hot shell]

I dont know what world u live in

But thats wrong

[vestal root]

i never watched anything related to him i just know him from esoteric memes

[compact knot]

he has been popular since like 2017 but blew up in like 2019-2020 iirc

[hot shell]

You can even find Infos of him from 2019 telling him to be aware of scams like that

[sullen tendon]

type this into google andtell me how many people you recognize. (this is only one talent agency) site:https://www.unitedtalent.com/talent/gaming/

also only gaming

[vestal root]

he should play warrior in wow midnight

imo

[compact knot]

what the fuck is that site bro

[hot shell]

Thats like saying byron bernstein was Popular since 2024

[sullen tendon]

hollywood talent agencies sign these people at low viewership numnber but with niche audiences and then use bots and hollywood connections to artifically infalte their popularity through social media and then hook susceptible people who think they are already popular

then those people beocome real viewers

and they get moms credit card money

[ocean ore]

I just remember Mr beast randomly donating like 10k usd to random pubg streamers when that shit was popping off

[sullen tendon]

if oyu go to google and just enter site:https://www.unitedtalent.com/talent/gaming/ into the search bar it shows you all the people. they dont make it navigatable on the actual site

[compact knot]

just so u know mr beast had 20m subs in like 2019

[sullen tendon]

max is on there

[compact knot]

max is strictly a video gamer

mr beast is a brand with food chains

[hot shell]

What does mrbeast has to do with gaming

[compact knot]

there is a pretty big difference there

[scenic gulch]

Yo guys I’m new to warrior and I’ve noticed the damage numbers are super delayed on my abilities. Is that normal or is it just me?

[sullen tendon]

I assume most of these people who sign the contracts dont even know they are being boosted

the talent agencies do it behind their backs

[hot shell]

So who is mrbeast Signed to

[sullen tendon]

he used to be signed ot night media

but he got too rich for them

logan paul used ot be part of another one too but also smae case he got too rich

[olive wraith]

Fake ass one piece fan

[compact knot]

that was a funny clip

[sullen tendon]

this was logal pauls talent agency in 2015 https://www.caa.com/entertainmenttalent/touring/search

[bitter palm]

do they know

about his guardian druid name

on guldan

[hot shell]

Isnt logan Paul that dude that pays off his opponents to make "content"

[compact knot]

ofc not

[vestal root]

you have lot of dots on warrior kinda but other than that, there shouldnt be any real delays

[compact knot]

lmfao

[sullen tendon]

thats hte music sub seciton but still

[olive wraith]

That’s the brother

[hot shell]

Same difference

[compact knot]

one of them is like ok now

the other is a pos

[hot shell]

A pit of saron?

[compact knot]

the other abbreviation

[lusty jungle]

Piece of shawarma

[hot shell]

Point of sale ?

[olive wraith]

Disagree

They’re both assoles

[compact knot]

compared to what they use to be...

[olive wraith]

A piece of shit that’s less smelly is still shit

[frozen scarab]

am i actually supposed to be using interpose

[olive wraith]

No

[hybrid cargo]

I called it 0 changes what do i win XD

[hot shell]

You won pain and suffering for atleast 7 more days

[hybrid cargo]

im fully convinced they are just happy with the state of war XD

case and point they considered nerfing us in .5

[olive wraith]

It wasn’t a nerf in theory, just a gameplay thing

Proble is they should have buffed slayer st to compensate the loss

[worn rain]

planned thane changes was indeed a nerf

[olive wraith]

Changes, if any will happen after reset

[olive wraith]

Again, more of a gameplay thing without compensation

[undone flower]

Not on the tank

[sullen dove]

you know usually you say questionable things but at least its in the realm of the video game

that one is just wildly nuts

[sullen dove]

krill issue

[worn rain]

potential -40% to clap is pure nerf

[undone flower]

I never felt so betrayed by a tooltip

[frozen scarab]

holy

[red berry]

wack there's no class tuning at fucking all

i want what they're on

[worn rain]

copilot probably

are you sure?

[frozen scarab]

a 1500 ddh just declined me i am truly sad

thought getting 3k would mean free invites in 10s...

[inland flame]

you're still apping against a million other dps

people also fish for buffs more than they probably need to for weeklies

[random shadow]

They did their promised tuning. There wont be tuning till m+ race for title

Just how their seasons are

[brittle crow]

any steam controller 2 enjoyers in here

i will be buying day 1 minute 1

[inland flame]

I'm a p big Steam/Valve simp I'll prolly get one.

Steam Frame is my personal higher prio tho.

Have had a deck for like 1.5 years and still love it.

[brittle crow]

never had a deck, never experienced vr

[inland flame]

Deck is BIS for travelling, and when I'm at home I just dock it to my bedroom TV to play and watch stuff in bed.

Also was my intro to Linux and now I play around with it a lot.

[brittle crow]

i dont travel

[inland flame]

Yeah I only take summer trips normally since I'm a teacher but anything where I'm gonna be sitting around bored for a bit it's pretty clutch

[brittle crow]

i need a jobbbbb

i hate having certifications and hating the work

[inland flame]

Jobs do help, sometimes

[brittle crow]

feels like a waste if i do something else but i dont wanna do it waaaaa

[random shadow]

They released it?

When

[brittle crow]

in -8 days

[brittle crow]

meeee

[random shadow]

Hm id like to buy one but do i really need

[inland flame]

Gamers Nexus put up a p good review of the controller

[undone flower]

You can just say S2

[inland flame]

Oh yea next season it's all us guys trust

[stoic rampart]

shadow dropping tuning notes this morning, huge aura buff, trust the process

[compact knot]

scary cthun boss

[random shadow]

Some binds of all time

[frozen scarab]

why are voidclaw gauntlets bis this shit looks like ass

[random shadow]

Good question if like to know

[summer quail]

coz they have the same amount of stats as any other gloves and a damage proc as well

[compact knot]

mouse buttons

[frozen scarab]

i thought mastery > haste ?

[summer quail]

shouldn't just look at stats like that. it's not a "mastery is always the best stat" stat prios in website is just a general "this spec likes alot of this and this"

[random shadow]

What mouse buttons is y u i o p [ ]

\

[red berry]

yes i want it so bad

that said while i never owned a valve headset i lovef my steam deck

[frozen scarab]

ima just raidbots it

[compact knot]

not a knower

all good

[summer quail]

that is the way

trust the robot

🤖

[random shadow]

I wanna be a knower lemme know

[frozen scarab]

🤖

[hybrid cargo]

Its the damage proc

Lots of items that have extra damage on them usually dont have 2ndaries, when your stats are optimal and theres dr on haste and mastery a flat damage proc has quite a bit of value

[lost parcel]

guys how dumb am i if i forgot to set my loot spec to prot before rolling on chim loot and getting the other myth trinket? :^)

[odd crater]

Yes

[brittle crow]

approximately 25% dumb

[odd crater]

Also anyone else absolutely loving getting gapped by Devourers and Demo locks in Keys?

[charred flint]

so we got bonus rerolls right

do i need to spend them in dgs now or they stack for next raid

[covert coyote]

don't forget the unholy DK and ret pallies

rerolls should stack going into next week

[hushed gust]

you're allowed in the same group as a Devourer?

in my experience, that's like a fundamental sin- bringing a warrior to the Devourer comp.

[odd crater]

Seen more Devourers than UDK’s honestly

Lots of Rets and Demo’s though

[oblique thistle]

dont worry guys, we'll get tuning notes soon for sure

[odd agate]

Definitely getting a big buff tomorrow

[hushed gust]

it's safe to say that Blizzard just doesn't care about fury. it's sad, but that's what i've come to accept.

that and not getting into 15 PUGs cause neither spec is meta.

[oblique thistle]

Arms is very strong in M+ what are you talking about

[odd crater]

He means either fury spec

[oblique thistle]

Oh hero talents

[odd crater]

Hence why we’re in fury channel

[hushed gust]

Arms is good. tell that to the people who deny me for half an hour XD

[oblique thistle]

you'd be surprised how often people dont talk about fury in here

[oblique thistle]

thats a dps queue problem and not a spec problem

Run your own key

[hushed gust]

it is when you're not meta

also, i would run my own key, but problem with that. i can't control what it is, meaning i'll be bouncing between 20 different runs to get the one I want, just for someone to miss a kick and brick the key.

[oblique thistle]

Welcome to pugging

[odd crater]

Bricked my 15 earlier because of exactly that

It be what it be

[hushed gust]

i've had 9 Algeth'ars brick to that exact scenario this week.

[oblique thistle]

alg is just a cursed place

illegal dungeon

[hushed gust]

yes. it is.

[covert coyote]

arms is good or whatever but if you don't enjoy playing it / would do worse damage if you swapped then you're better off staying fury. I'm pushing as fury and the reality is that as a solo DPS, you either gotta run your key or accept the hour waits to get into a pug that has a 50% of bricking in 2 pulls

[oblique thistle]

^ p much this

bear in mind that fury is capable of doing very high keys as well

(in a coordinated group)

[hushed gust]

i understand the reality, i'm just complaining that it is reality XD

[oblique thistle]

fair

[covert coyote]

I feel like fury is better off in pugs than arms since it doesn't have to be catered to

and yeah the reality is wack

[odd crater]

I honestly mostly resigned to playing Prot for higher keys now

[oblique thistle]

Yes I just did a pug key on arms today as colo and it was god awful

[odd crater]

Easier queues, get to stack the OP DPS

[oblique thistle]

I do great aoe dam then I get to boss and I no longer exist

[odd crater]

Funny enough I actually mentioned this in Arms, my experience as well

[covert coyote]

the best option for furies is a little scummy where you sign up as arms and spec swap back to fury after you hit yes on the rdy check

[oblique thistle]

whats baffling is I've even tried to be like

"hey please pull stuff onto boss for my funnel"

and the tanks are like

"no"

like ???

cmon dude

[covert coyote]

meanwhile fury just claps the same regardless of route

[oblique thistle]

yup

I just find thane incredibly boring personally

so I leveled a healer and I'm playing that now

[covert coyote]

my last timed key I beat the udk and ddh, it's not like fury is trash. just has a negative public image so it makes it harder

[lapis breach]

Can you equip two crafted rings?

[hushed gust]

It may just be me being a massive goober, but i've never seen my fury build get above 350k at damage crest.

[covert coyote]

and yeah the thane style is kinda mid imo. RIP S3 slayer. I was honestly on board with the CDR change when they were going to murder thane if it came with a damage increase instead of nerf

[odd crater]

It does get disheartening when I watch other DPS gap me

[covert coyote]

as long as it's not Unique-equipped

[oblique thistle]

I didnt really care that S3 slayer was dead I just wasn't happy that it wasn't really competitive with thane

[lapis breach]

Okay

[covert coyote]

I really enjoyed S3 slayer personally. it felt great to have strong ST and good overalls

[oblique thistle]

numbers are numbers

at least bladestorm is on top of the damage breakdown now!

fury is saved

[covert coyote]

=\ I wish they'd fix slayer for fury. there's no shot I'm gonna play slayer when pressing wrecking throw or rend is better than a staple rotational button

[oblique thistle]

simply buffing RB would go a long way to fixing it

But the aoe question needs to be answered

[covert coyote]

like the WW applying rend was a great qol change but having RB be lower prio than rend is unacceptable

[odd crater]

I just wanna twirl and feel like a big boy

[oblique thistle]

players are of two minds with slayer

you've got the camp that just wants good sustained aoe damage like thane so it remains competitive

and you've got the other players that want a return to TWW s1 slayer where bladestorm and odyn's fury were massive burst buttons and the sustain damage was mediocre to compensate

[covert coyote]

I think give both BT and RB like a 15% chance to proc reap on cast and it would go a very long way

[oblique thistle]

But then reap is too high on the damage breakdown and that makes the burst players sad

But if burst is good then it makes the sustain damage players sad

its impossible to make everyone happy

[covert coyote]

I think 15% is low enough that it will buffer both ST and uncapped without it skewing the prio of builders

keep everything else the same so BS is still close to top of our breakdown if not top

[oblique thistle]

I'm at a point where I do not give one flying fuck what my damage breakdown looks like I just want to do good damage and have a decently fun rotation

[covert coyote]

like just buff RB either through raw damage or some talent interaction so that it's above wrecking/rend and I think the spec would feel infinitely better to play. I do 100% of all content rn in my thane M+ build

[oblique thistle]

it has to be the spell itself not a talent

they moved away from the 1 billion RB talents thing in TWW for a reason

With the added drawback of making the talent tree uninteresting

[scarlet swift]

gotta make my hunter look like a warrior

[covert coyote]

they could do either as long as where it lands on the priority is the same

[olive wraith]

I think there’s also a large number of people that want slayer to be the st choice

I do think thane and slayer should have differing niches

[oblique thistle]

Slayer has always been the go to for single target though, its been our raid build for basically forever now with the exception of this tier in particular and like one or two fights in tww

[olive wraith]

Right but it’s not really ahead rn

[oblique thistle]

Right now yes

[covert coyote]

doesn't even have to be ST just some kinda prio

[ember otter]

Seconded, however Thane is so much easier to play there's almost no point putting in the effort for slayer even on ST

[olive wraith]

So naturally that should cost slayer some aoe right?

[oblique thistle]

Sure

But the single target should then be clearly ahead of the other hero talent in that case

[olive wraith]

I agree

I think it’s bad to have both specs middle in aoe and bad at st

And should have different identities

[oblique thistle]

I agree, whatever we have right now clearly isn't working

[ember otter]

The idea is that Slayer is bursty right? Thane is sustianed? That's the kind of vibe I get however yes, even on both sides they are not pushed enough.

[olive wraith]

Nah

Slayer does have a little more burst sure, but it’s far from having any real burst

[ember otter]

I mean Bladestorm is a button

[olive wraith]

It is ya

Still not real burst

[oblique thistle]

But my point from above wasn't ST vs AOE, its that there's definitely people that want slayer to have that potent burst

Which is why I referenced TWW S1 specifically, thats when slayer was at its peak burst potential, mainly due to double OF

[olive wraith]

Ah gotcha. I mean, I do like having some burst

There’s definitely a happy medium between s1 and 3

[oblique thistle]

maybe

like I said I'm not sure you can make everyone happy

[olive wraith]

No you def can’t

Especially considering fury is one of the more popular specs

[ember otter]

Sure you can, make number go up

😄

[olive wraith]

Nah

[scarlet swift]

"if only" trinket

[olive wraith]

S3 number was good but playstyle was pretty lacking

[oblique thistle]

There's definitely plenty of people that enjoyed it though

and plenty of people that were more than happy to just see big number and deal with it

[olive wraith]

I do think some people think they liked the playstyle. But we’re fooled by the numbers

[oblique thistle]

ehh... I wouldn't really call it fooling them by the numbers. Its a DPS spec, the whole point is to do damage, and if you are blasting big damage that in itself can be very enjoyable

[olive wraith]

My main gripes with it were hitting rb past the rage cap, totally ignoring bt, and holding bs for kinda long periods of time

[dense elbow]

Currently you can notice when you press BS on the meter

So we are a lot better than it was previously. They could probably move a bit more into BS, 10-20% more. Then we would feel good about that press.

OF baseline should get a 150-200% buff.

Then we kinda solved the burst dam problem

ST needs something tho, and cleanest would be an execute buff. As it also enforce a niche

[oblique thistle]

That OF buff would never happen in a million years lol

[dense elbow]

It should tho, OF baseline is weak af

[olive wraith]

They probably need to extend the bleed a little with a buff like that

[oblique thistle]

They could definitely buff OF but not by that much

[dense elbow]

Nah, at that point remove OF and just buff rend

[olive wraith]

I mean if burst is the issue

Reduce the upfront burst and space it out a little bit more

[dense elbow]

OF baseline is 2-4% of our dam, it is abysmal

If you want burst, you cant make OF into roar

[oblique thistle]

I truly believe that Blizzard is genuinely scared shitless of us having the same burst potential we had in nerubar which is why I dont think an OF buff like that would ever happen

Its really hard to give us burst back because of how quickly it happens

[dense elbow]

If that is true, then again, remove OG and buff rend

[olive wraith]

I think nerubar gave people ptsd

I really don’t think Blizz is scared of a repeat

So many classes have silly burst since then

[oblique thistle]

The recent BS buff we got is the first major step they've taken to giving us burst back since nerubar

[olive wraith]

lol no

[oblique thistle]

I think they are being extremely cautious

[dense elbow]

If Eyebeam can hit for 1.2million, then OF can hit for 250k, it will be fine

[olive wraith]

They’ve buffed bs a bunch of times since nerubar

[quartz wharf]

is the >6 aoe rotation still just clap ramp clap ramp clap ramp? im doing it rn and i feel like im doing 0 damage. did it change or wat

[oblique thistle]

In small incriments yes

[dense elbow]

BS mainly got buffed to make up for Reap RNG being gone from it do remember that Reap was 12-28% of its dam

Well 0-28*

[olive wraith]

Still wouldn’t call it a big step toward burst

[oblique thistle]

and btw just because other classes have burst doesn't mean they aren't scared of fury's burst
Because our burst is literally two globals

The issue isnt us having burst at all, its the fact that it happens instantly