Imagine playing ranged in any game that melee is an option
#fury
odd crater
uneven path
True bowguns are for weak minded ppl
vestal root
True bowguns are for weak minded ppl
real and fax
odd crater
Also counter to gun is shield, ez. Ballistic shields do be a real thing
dense elbow
Make Ranged squishy again, while we armor up, they die to random pellets bouncing around
we live
We win
vestal root
we cant have that
warlock needs to be the tankiest dps in the game
how else are they gonna stand in aoes and keep casting chaos bolts
dense elbow
Make their game 100% a painfest of "I dont do mechanics, but I die, help, help"
vestal root
they need to take it from ffxiv they punish ranged properly there
odd crater
Also not sure when Spell Reflect got changed to not need a shield, but man that was a blessing to see when I came back to the game
odd crater
I’ll ghost your shield
vestal root
uwu
spare steppe
Make their game 100% a painfest of "I dont do mechanics, but I die, help, help"
Having to drop circle far from a boss as melee is the worst
vestal root
thats cool about warrior
thjats why i love warrior
leap away, charge in
its so badass
spare steppe
I do that and get yelled at for agita
dense elbow
All fun and games, till you got to move out, but dont get dispelled
vestal root
can we have another leap charge pls thx
odd crater
Also I know this is common knowledge but I had no idea you could leap to your spear until yesterday.
vestal root
I do that and get yelled at for agita
words cant hurt me this heroic leap is gucci
uneven path
thjats why i love warrior
2 big ass swords > literally everything else
spare steppe
I want to intervene more tbh
vestal root
Also I know this is common knowledge but I had no idea you could leap to your sp...
i didnt use spear since SL
spare steppe
we have so many 2pt talents prune that shit
odd crater
Ngl I don’t take intervene ever.
vestal root
2 big ass swords > literally everything else
forreal
i am betting 10gold that next tier set is around raging blows and we take hack n slash
or they make thane more into RB than it is so you spam it for lightning strikes infinitely
uneven path
I just wish my english was be better when I started with wow in WoD
spare steppe
i am betting 10gold that next tier set is around raging blows and we take hack n...
I’ll bet you 10g that OF also doesn’t get buffed
dense elbow
Hoy
vestal root
no we get nerfed as per usual
dense elbow
OF gonna get buffed, the buff is ready to be launched
uneven path
Robbed myself of so much fun
vestal root
im thinking if AM ever gets removed what would happen to the specs
defo would need big balance pass
vestal root
idk i remember many people not playing AM back in the day
dense elbow
Not the "I WILL QUIT" bad, no, we talking no words - nothing written, just gone.
vestal root
AM is defo our jailcell, we get balanced around it too much
fellas are times of flat dmg profiles over
odd crater
Also why is Odyn’s Fury a thing? What expansion did we randomly get blessed by Odyn? I missed a lot of expansions
vestal root
most meta specs are all burst big cd
vestal root
Also why is Odyn’s Fury a thing? What expansion did we randomly get blessed by O...
legion
indigo arch
It was the fury artifact ability
dense elbow
Basically just a fun big AoE dam ability they gave us, themed around being EXPLOSIVE moment of power
uneven path
back when it used to do fire dmg
dense elbow
And shadow
uneven path
And now it's a sneeze
Still nerfed from TWW S1
vestal root
muh fury niche
indigo arch
Still nerfed from TWW S1
Think of the week1 heroic logs, please
burnt oxide
can we have it give reck/avatar for few secs again
Would also love the ww stacks
indigo arch
😔
uneven path
Think of the week1 heroic logs, please
Still suffering for the sins of past padders 
indigo arch
Still suffering for the sins of past padders <:sadge:820202363359854633>
I should have known when we didn't get tuned week 1-2 that we were fucked
odd crater
But flat profiles boring, dips and spikes more dopamine
uneven path
I should have known when we didn't get tuned week 1-2 that we were fucked
Didnt we get 10% aura before start of S1 ?
Which was worrying to being with
indigo arch
Didnt we get 10% aura before start of S1 ?
Yea they slapped us a bit
and everyone went "Oh it's beta"
odd crater
I thought everyone enjoyed being low on meters and then skyrocketing up only to slowly drop back down
indigo arch
"Oh there will be more tuning"
Where are they now?
It's mysterious how quiet they are about it now
paid actors
Wonder which season the "It's still beta" and "It's still in ptr" folks will learn.
odd crater
Don’t worry S3 will be our time to shine. Calling it now
indigo arch
The old historical "Here have this I guess" tunings of s3, a time honored classic
meanwhile s1-s2:
odd crater
But if we do not suffer then we wouldn’t be grateful later on
Blizz knows us warriors are masochists at heart
indigo arch
Last time fury felt okish was aberrus patch
odyn actually hit somewhat hard
Well
for s1-s2 tunings*
odd crater
I feel like I’m blessed for not having experienced the golden era, for now I do not know what we once were
digital ore
It was so good....
uneven path
The old historical "Here have this I guess" tunings of s3, a time honored classi...
yeh for past few exps S3 is ours to be almost great
indigo arch
bfa s2 was ok too, after cshb etc
indigo arch
yeh for past few exps S3 is ours to be almost great
To just give a hint of what it could be
but not quite
uneven path
bfa s2 was ok too, after cshb etc
Back when cshb did dmg
indigo arch
and never before s3-s4
odd crater
All I know is that even though we may be shit, Fury will always be my home. This shall be my shit to embrace
indigo arch
arms is the only thing keeping me from gearing unholy atm tbh, m+wise
if colo didn't feel smoother with the tues patch idk
def not devourer with the uwu jazz hands animations
and certainly not aug/demo
odd crater
Only thing that has made me consider Arms was for the Colossus talent that increases character size
Big = better
indigo arch
odd crater
Stop, I don’t want to play arms. I will not be swayed
odd crater
Don't worry, fury uncapped aoe soon
In S3, right?
odd crater
dense elbow
Dont need uncapped AoE, what we need is uncapped ST
fiery edge
the next expac is about warrior
odd crater
Just give me back ST Reap, like come on
polar narwhal
The expansion trailer had ARMS
All we need to look for is FURY in the 13.0 trailer
dense elbow
You got Reap on ST, why would you want more?
odd crater
the next expac is about warrior
Weird way to say Paladins and Deathknights
indigo arch
In S3, right?
polar narwhal
Just give me back ST Reap, like come on
Sudden Death still triggers Reap
odd crater
I want MORE
dense elbow
Reap is in a fine spot atm
fiery edge
wrynn gonna get revived, which means warrior stuff 
polar narwhal
Reap the Storm itself being a cleave/AoE talent only is kind of scuffed.
dense elbow
It aint tho
polar narwhal
Its just there on ST, doing nothing
dense elbow
You get Reap dam on ST
polar narwhal
You get Reap dam on ST
From SD Procs
dense elbow
Yep
digital ore
I want that copium too brother but warrior ain't getting shit
dense elbow
So talent works
polar narwhal
Not the actual talent named Reap
dense elbow
polar narwhal
Imminent Demise works without it
dense elbow
Are you looking at it as one talent at a time?
fiery edge
when cleave 
dense elbow
Ok I am done
odd crater
Ok I am done
Wait no come back
digital ore
lmfao
fiery edge
That is a new level of stupid, I cant
uneven path
That is a new level of stupid, I cant
What is going on ?
dense elbow
They doing power based on a talent to talent basis, not the actual effect when you play
odd crater
We have so many warriors in my guilds raids that they let us all be in a group together. All we end up saying is Zug, and it’s wonderful
odd crater
How reduced is the damage beyond 8 targets
vestal root
it heals enemies
odd crater
Shit I knew it
uneven path
Tried colossus on single target
modest condor
square root scaling
uneven path
That thing is not fun
modest condor
so if you hit 2x more enemies it does sqrt(2) times as much damage split between enemies
odd crater
square root scaling
Can you explain that like I’m stupid, because I am
vestal root
Tried colossus on single target
miserable
modest condor
100 to each
modest condor
at 10 targets you do sqrt(10/8)*800=1.18*800=894 damage, with 894/10=89.4 to each target
odd crater
Can confirm, that is math
modest condor
at 15 targets you change the 10 to a 15 etc.
odd crater
Thanks for dumbing that down for me, I now understand
modest condor
cant really explain it without using math
odd crater
Nah it makes sense.
digital ore
No it doesn't make sense. It needs to be higher
odd crater
Oh
digital ore
Maybe we should spam forums and reddit and every thread like marksmen hunters after wednesday's rework
odd crater
Will that work tho?
digital ore
It would work if everyone did it probably
I was talking to a fury friend yesterday and it's kinda fucking ass that Fury apex talents are like the only ones with a fail conditional. Why not just make it a bunch of +STR stacks like how Arms gets sweeping stacks on Warbringer?
We get that but when we pop Reck.
gilded granite
I just joined this discord cause I was feeling that fury is a bit under the weather and figured I might be wrong.
But 5 minutes here and I feel like I should reroll😅
digital ore
Give giga burst instead of this fuckass stack bs
digital ore
I just joined this discord cause I was feeling that fury is a bit under the weat...
Yeah reroll sounds about right
gilded granite
Honestly only reason not is cause I am the only fucking warrior in the guild
odd crater
I just joined this discord cause I was feeling that fury is a bit under the weat...
Hold the line. Rerolling is a cardinal sin
digital ore
Our boss damage atm
uneven path
@vestal root 2:40 sec test on single with RB build
gilded granite
Our boss damage atm
Looks solid 👍 would take again
polar narwhal
They doing power based on a talent to talent basis, not the actual effect when y...
me go back warrior school. me dum dum. sowwie.
odd crater
Why is SPriest so high? That feels new
polar narwhal
Bugged
odd crater
What will happen first, bug fix or fury buffs
polar narwhal
undone flower
They doing power based on a talent to talent basis, not the actual effect when y...
Rampage very overpowered talent
odd crater
Do you guys bother to apply rend in ST, or nah
undone flower
Each time I thunderclap yes 
digital ore
Yea Thane doesn't give a fuck
edgy oasis
I honestly think they need to increase the RR duration to say. 5 seconds. 4 isnt enough to spam two abilities and keep the stacks/increase the stacks. Instead you have to use 1 ability then rampage otherwise drop stacks.
spare steppe
Like ppl quiting actually bad
I would love AM to be nerfed
Consistent CDs sign me up
My brain is too smooth to know “if I use it now, will it be up on 27s?”
odd crater
Just tell the other DPS to slow down so you get CD’s up, duh
undone flower
My brain is too smooth to know “if I use it now, will it be up on 27s?”
45 sec
spare steppe
I just want them to kill AM and buff CDs instead
But I know I’m likely in the minority here
undone flower
I think it’s the wrong battle to fight yes
spare steppe
My voice also has no real impact so no loss tbh
odd crater
Yeah, we should be focused on having more ST reap triggers.
spare steppe
I’ll just keep playing warrior regardless of what they do
odd crater
Honestly blizzard is smart because they are just helping us get more Rage IRL
vestal root
<@159738042859520001> 2:40 sec test on single with RB build
whatya mean rb build
uneven path
whatya mean rb build
Instead of BT talents you go Rb talents
spare steppe
Instead of BT talents you go Rb talents <:KEKW:1486426802762154225>
That AA damage is an abomination
uneven path
That AA damage is an abomination
Manged to do test where it almost overtook rampage xdd
undone flower
Those RB talents are abominations too tbf
uneven path
would make sense to go thane with that then
Miss me with that geh shit
vestal root
That AA damage is an abomination
i guess due to Surge of Adrenaline
spare steppe
Yeah that checks out
vestal root
Miss me with that geh shit
thane has talents that work with RB thas why
uneven path
thane has talents that work with RB thas why
well slury does too
vestal root
since i defo feel like you spam RB in that regard more than execute, thane fits the bill better then
but hey
nice test
vestal root
aye
uneven path
Gotta test it more in m+
spare steppe
You know AA damage would improve our ST
vestal root
id still suggest thane for that build though
undone flower
I think giving up BT talents hurts st more
vestal root
you would get tons of lightning strikes
undone flower
Than it improves it
spare steppe
No no we should get a nice flat buff to AA
Who needs to buff reap or rb or execute when AA can be to the moon
undone flower
Ah, my take on AA is : it should get removed from the game so….
odd crater
How dare you
vestal root
algethar academy he means ofc
undone flower
Autoattacks
vestal root
uneven path
id still suggest thane for that build though
Will try
spare steppe
I remember juicy WF procs in classic
spare steppe
new enhancement shaman
Wtb our own windfury
odd crater
Why do they even bother putting “Requires Warrior”
uneven path
new enhancement shaman
yeh I know, I just wanted to try it on slury
vestal root
Why do they even bother putting “Requires Warrior”
spell id fiesta you see what this patch did they are dumb
uneven path
But now I am working on my secreat project
vestal root
very secret
odd crater
Ah yes, the other War class. This is acceptable
fiery edge
But now I am working on my secreat project
the true war class
odd crater
What isn’t bugged this patch
uneven path
Can’t play aff in m+
huh ?
dense elbow
My voice also has no real impact so no loss tbh
Every voice has an impact. Yours more than most
odd crater
Did anyone else pick Fury so you could mash buttons really fast?
vestal root
Did anyone else pick Fury so you could mash buttons really fast?
Yes and because looks cool
dense elbow
I picked Fury, because 3 decades ago, I picked warrior, during that period I stumbled on Fury and rest is history. I simply dont change
chilly rover
So i just noticed there are difference between mace and axe Weapon dps, and also the Damage stat mace has higher bottom dmg while axe has higher top end, does this affect anything noticeably
vestal root
3 decades?
odd crater
I was originally warlock when I returned to this cursed game, got frustrated with the lack of mobility (I’m bad and don’t utilize gates/circle enough), dusted off my warrior and felt like I needed 3 energy drinks immediately and never looked back
undone flower
ww monk
warm crag
So i just noticed there are difference between mace and axe Weapon dps, and also...
the dps is normalized and does not matter at all
odd crater
Also heavy armor is always the coolest in any game. Impossible to disprove that fact
cursive quiver
i'm so sick and tired of having to swap to the shitfest called arms just to get into 17 keys #notangry
odd crater
Have you tried befriending a tank and healer and just starting your own groups?
vestal root
Its not like arms is autowin
strange drift
but fury better becouse 2 swords > 1
vestal root
Fury can do well
digital ore
Did anyone else pick Fury so you could mash buttons really fast?
I swapped to Survival since it's the closest non warrior feeling spec.
Non fury I should say
strange drift
Did anyone else pick Fury so you could mash buttons really fast?
isnt that like 99% of us
vestal root
Yeah colo is better but thats if tank doesnt grief
supple glen
So i just noticed there are difference between mace and axe Weapon dps, and also...
its normalized + if you look at it, garfrosts also has way higher low end
indigo arch
Weapon topend hasn't mattered in 15+ years
supple glen
yea
strange drift
I liked fire mage just becouse it was a keyboard mash when u pop off full combust
digital ore
Make sure you also put highest ilvl in mainhand, then w/e is second best in offhand
strange drift
indigo arch
Give me the fat dot that deletes all again
chilly rover
its normalized + if you look at it, garfrosts also has way higher low end
yes but the axe still has 0.1 more weapon dps. maybe just a rounding error idk
void hawk
hey all. This might be a question without a definitive answer, but I'm trying to improve my rotation on Fury as I'm lagging behind on dps meters during raid nights.
I'm sitting at 276.62 ilvl with a max crafted main hander and 6/6 hero offhand + 4 set bonus. Is there maybe a number I should be aiming for on a target dummy as far as single target dps goes? Just trying to see if I can practice it repeatably purely focusing on hitting the right spells for now. TIA
supple glen
yes but the axe still has 0.1 more weapon dps. maybe just a rounding error idk
but its versa
void hawk
hey all. This might be a question without a definitive answer, but I'm trying to...
also got champion level gaze and hero heart of ancient hunger
odd crater
hey all. This might be a question without a definitive answer, but I'm trying to...
Do you have any logs? Would help identify issues
void hawk
I'll see if I can find a recent one! We did have one last week where the biggest issue seemed to be that I wasn't hitting execute nearly often enough off sudden death procs
odd crater
Are you Slayer or Thane
void hawk
need to also install the log stuff myself, I tend to rely on guildies to provide them
supple glen
hey all. This might be a question without a definitive answer, but I'm trying to...
there are some nice tools to point out mistakes, mainly https://wowanalyzer.com/ which points out obvious mistakes in your rotation and https://lorrgs.io/ which gives you a reference as to when other people use their cds
that might be a good start
void hawk
Are you Slayer or Thane
we're currently progging on HC crown and I'm using slayer there. I did pretty well when we did paladins with Thane (which feels a little more forgiving as far as just hammering your buttons lol)
supple glen
theres also a log reviewchannel down below
scarlet swift
I’ve been gone for 4 days, how’s warrior this time around? Still deadge and doomed?
void hawk
theres also a log reviewchannel down below
ah sweet! Thanks for pointing that out
odd crater
I’ll see if I can help. I’m not like, great, but consistently parse in the mid-high 80’s in raid
strange drift
I’ve been gone for 4 days, how’s warrior this time around? Still deadge and doom...
meh
upwards of eeh.. okay
scarlet swift
I hear hunters are dead and dev Dh is tripling everyone’s dps
void hawk
I’ll see if I can help. I’m not like, great, but consistently parse in the mid-h...
that would be a huge improvement for me. I joined a guild that's a little more casual now but used to push mythic pretty hard and on our raid night earlier this week I was hovering around the tanks while I'm one of the higher geared members atm
odd crater
that would be a huge improvement for me. I joined a guild that's a little more c...
Sent you a DM
normal forge
I hear hunters are dead and dev Dh is tripling everyone’s dps
Accurate
vestal root
I hear hunters are dead and dev Dh is tripling everyone’s dps
BM and surv are doing fine tho
normal forge
And now that DKs are fixed, they are destroying keys
vestal root
good think about hunter is that at least one spec is in top 5 at all times
scarlet swift
I’ll craft the daggers and they’ll buff ranged again
vestal root
idk i see survivals always outperforming warriors
supple glen
i like survival except for that weird ass beast summoning mechanic
its a bit like fury lul
scarlet swift
Yeah pets I could care less about
uneven path
Shared agony randomly not working anymore is cursed
Ah thx good to know
scarlet swift
Good, I’ll be converting to Hunter main
supple glen
damn
supple glen
do a trial char first, the big cd is weird af
scarlet swift
I love warrior, passionate about it even, love the playstyle, but it pains me to be unaddressed and bottom tier
vestal root
you and many of us here, brother
scarlet swift
As a casual pug
vestal root
i seriously considered rerolling next tier but i dont have the heart
supple glen
yeah lol, i put time in at the start to get ilvls etc and get invites
unreal vale
i like survival except for that weird ass beast summoning mechanic
Since the sentinel spec is bugged since week 1 you are forced to be a disney princess and call the forest to help you
scarlet swift
Obv ppl like biz and crit and others can make it work, but a solo pugging 38yr old dad, i ain’t got time for queue simulator
vestal root
rerolling now is pointless i cba gearing another char
supple glen
now i kinda want to play monk but without a guild to carry your char at least a bit its fucking dire
vestal root
Obv ppl like biz and crit and others can make it work, but a solo pugging 38yr o...
they are fully devoted to WoW most of us arent or got jobs or family or play more games
digital ore
rerolling now is pointless i cba gearing another char
wdym this is the easiest season to reroll in.
Full HC gear in 1 week.
2-3 handout Myth items.
scarlet swift
Leveling is atrociousssssss
vestal root
yeah but i got badass shit like myth gaze and heart
supple glen
Since the sentinel spec is bugged since week 1 you are forced to be a disney pri...
it feels like all the skill expression of the class plays around the pets lel
digital ore
Who cares, 1 reroll on Chimaerus and your alt gets Myth gaze too.
It ain't that big.
supple glen
wdym this is the easiest season to reroll in.
do you have a guild or group
vestal root
Who cares, 1 reroll on Chimaerus and your alt gets Myth gaze too.
implying id get in a group
supple glen
^
supple glen
main was getting in until this week
vestal root
granted with CE now its easier
digital ore
Besides there's classes who do more damage than fury with heart and gaze with full Hero trinkets.
vestal root
still
grand vale
Leveling is atrociousssssss
I got from 84 to 90 in 2 hours yesterday
scarlet swift
How?
vestal root
my pld is max lvl luckily but still
grand vale
With a dps
supple glen
this week its gotten hard but i also didnt have luck in vault to boost ilvl
grand vale
i have 1 minute queue times with a dps
supple glen
yeah timewalking is nice
scarlet swift
The fuck, it took my Hunter an hour to do 2 tw dungeons
supple glen
lol wut
scarlet swift
Queue doesn’t pop
scarlet swift
9pm-midnight ain’t it?
supple glen
i had 3min queues at 4 in the morning
grand vale
And is still strong
supple glen
but at night dps is more scarce
scarlet swift
Shaman isn’t Hunter though
supple glen
9pm-midnight ain’t it?
nah his queue got fucked its totally fine
supple glen
yeah thats why im saying something was up
grand vale
i think i had 10% extra xp because of 2 90 chars but still
scarlet swift
Leveling needs to be faster in general, it’s abysmal
grand vale
With rested xp you get 1/3rd of a lvl or more per dungeon
scarlet swift
Especially the state of balance and trying new specs
grand vale
i'd say its pretty fast already
scarlet swift
Not even
queen aspen
Switching to fury from arms has to be top 3 decisions of all time
Holy shit the dps is so consistent
grand vale
Switching to fury from arms has to be top 3 decisions of all time
fury is best
digital mauve
to craft something to max quality, I should buy thge Thalassian Missive of the Feverflare gold but with +5 recipient quality of the one with +15 recipient quality but being silver ?
supple glen
consistently low yea
scarlet swift
Maybe I’m just trash, i feel like I’m out of range a lot in arms spec, no idea why, never fury
grand vale
to craft something to max quality, I should buy thge Thalassian Missive of the F...
Gold so people dont need concentration to craft it
if you craft yourself and have enough concentration still, it doesnt matter
digital mauve
Gold so people dont need concentration to craft it
Still b able to reach max quality item?
queen aspen
consistently low yea
I just did a +13 MT 200k dps overall I was almost topping the chart every pack
You get your cds so often it’s mental
grand vale
Still b able to reach max quality item?
It's -5 and -15
digital mauve
I just did a +13 MT 200k dps overall I was almost topping the chart every pack
arms of fury?
grand vale
not +5 and +15
queen aspen
arms of fury?
Fury
supple glen
im just messing, colo undeniably has some downsides but it is insane aoe
scarlet swift
I just did a +13 MT 200k dps overall I was almost topping the chart every pack
Your dps is 100% reliant on tank pulling well
supple glen
takes some playing around tho
scarlet swift
Not so much skill, More timing
digital mauve
It's -5 and -15
Sooo I just buy the godl missive +5?
queen aspen
Your dps is 100% reliant on tank pulling well
Yeah tank was crazy
grand vale
Sooo I just buy the godl missive +5?
Yes
grand vale
the +5 is the difficulty rise of the recipe
queen aspen
Not so much skill, More timing
I agree I’m not a good player just feels like fury rewards pulling mid sized packs often
grand vale
So +5 is better
queen aspen
You get so much uptime on cds it’s crazy
grand vale
because it makes reaching the required difficulty easier for the crafter
supple glen
are you running pbox
supple glen
yeah its juiced then
fury is totally fine, its more the community that would rather invite uh
queen aspen
I could go up to 500k dps as arms I never go as high as fury but I’m always super high every pack
It’s so satisfying
supple glen
doing 200k every pack do be nice
queen aspen
And big apm gameplay gets me hard
scarlet swift
You must be young still
digital mauve
And big apm gameplay gets me hard
whgat trinket do you have? ilvl and stat?
queen aspen
29 haha
queen aspen
whgat trinket do you have? ilvl and stat?
Pbox gaze 281
fallen ginkgo
I could go up to 500k dps as arms I never go as high as fury but I’m always supe...
fury does that too no? with clapspam
scarlet swift
Rampage/raging blow spam after years, you’ll hate apm soon enough
queen aspen
fury does that too no? with clapspam
I rarely go this high except huge pull bl and pbox
digital mauve
Pbox gaze 281
pbox is good? I got gaze and solar
unborn delta
i think ive only done 500k as fury on first alg pull
fallen ginkgo
box is insane burst
queen aspen
pbox is good? I got gaze and solar
Less consistent but crazy dps every 2 min
digital mauve
how's solar? im trying to get vorasisu trinket but cant loot it. wil ltry to loot it on mythic
queen aspen
Basically gives you 10% more damage on a pull
grand vale
@digital mauve for future reference, every craft has a craft difficulty, the crafter has to reach that difficulty with his own skill for max quality, if he has less, he needs concentration, if he has way less, he cant even reach max quality with concentration
fallen ginkgo
its just anoying when youre on a boss fight like 60% and you have cds up with box, good luck standing there XDD
queen aspen
Solar is pretty good iirc
digital mauve
<@386940187533639690> for future reference, every craft has a craft difficulty, ...
Oh noted! ty
fallen ginkgo
Solar is pretty good iirc
yeah that and pbox are best trinkets from m+
queen aspen
Yeah
supple glen
solar is ok for ST
queen aspen
Only thing that I dislike about fury is that I have like 80 versa and versa still sims the lowest it’s like such a dead stat it’s crazy
digital mauve
I thout gaze and vora where the best
supple glen
Only thing that I dislike about fury is that I have like 80 versa and versa stil...
thats item rng tho
digital mauve
Only thing that I dislike about fury is that I have like 80 versa and versa stil...
0 versa only mastery haste and CS
queen aspen
Yeah
digital mauve
what are you stat? without potions ect..
unborn delta
i do like how its so easy to swap between arms and fury though just gotta change some jewelry
supple glen
I thout gaze and vora where the best
singletarget vs multitarget sims
queen aspen
I will tell you once I login on my computer but roughly 1k haste 800 mastery 550 Crit and like 80 vers
Ich
digital mauve
1k mastery? that's a lot
supple glen
the ST sim for pbox is 5min so youre going to be doing nothing for at least 4s bc you cast it 2 times... for m+ where you precast it its a whole different story
queen aspen
Haste I meant
digital mauve
ah ok
queen aspen
the ST sim for pbox is 5min so youre going to be doing nothing for at least 4s b...
Yeah you Pbox while tank gathers and gets solid aggro
So w/e
olive wraith
Only thing that I dislike about fury is that I have like 80 versa and versa stil...
S3 you will be grabbing vers
digital mauve
gonan try to farm it
queen aspen
S3 you will be grabbing vers
Takes me back to og ww monk
Damn you stacked vers that’s super depressing
olive wraith
Na that’s just how it is as you progress seasons
You start getting more value from vers cause you’re already high on haste/masr
Diminishing returns and all. Right now we have less stat budget in general since it’s the start of expansion
queen aspen
Diminishing returns and all. Right now we have less stat budget in general since...
I see thanks for the clarification
I didn’t know actually haha
queen aspen
uh voidcores got refunded already?
Yeah got them this morning
supple glen
eyooo reasons to play the char
queen aspen
Pog
cold sparrow
hey did raid talent on slayer change in 12.0.5 ?
mono or multi
cant see any difference tbh
spare steppe
If shouldn’t have
vivid pollen
I could go up to 500k dps as arms I never go as high as fury but I’m always supe...
thane can go to 500k of course, but if you are doing that then someone else is WAY higher
queen aspen
thane can go to 500k of course, but if you are doing that then someone else is W...
True
undone flower
Ah thx good to know
You need to close the game to make it work again until it doesn’t anymore
Or accept you need to apply agony on each target until the rest of the key
Affliction is fine-mid without its bugs
uneven path
No way I would do it manually again
fuck that
But most likely I will stick with demo
stiff carbon
anybody go back into dreamrift with refunded bonus rolls?
unborn delta
this my guildies bonus rolls in algethar
before the fix he got 2 rings + 1 shoe then after he got a ring, shoe, and cloak
subtle raven
fury looking strong
novel rivet
wait no way median for uhdk moved that much even they got fixed
I thought they were bottom in 95 mythic
like 2 days ago
olive wraith
I thought they were bottom in 95 mythic
Because bugs
bitter palm
they were doing like
novel rivet
yeah but logs would take some time to catch up
bitter palm
30% less damage
novel rivet
maybe not Idk
bitter palm
ye i mean they are outsimming us by 30k
olive wraith
I mean really depends when people raid no?
bitter palm
130k vs 100k xdddd
olive wraith
Maybe there’s more Thursday/friday guilds
vestal root
undone flower
Even if there is few thrusday/Friday guilds, since you take 95 percentile, the udk which does 30% more / fixed will show up instantly
undone flower
Yeah and there is not lot of logs in general in later bosses
I was among 30 arms logs when I killed paladins this week
coarse nest
Haha me too
undone flower
I did 73 parse and 85 after it being locked
brittle crow
next mica
if you skip first 3 bosses in spire for prog on mythic do dragons still get the debuff as if you killed the bosses?
undone flower
Yes dragons are buffed if you don’t kill previous ones
odd vapor
are yall getting haste or mastery buff with pot? and which pot are uusing(lights potential)
next mica
Yes dragons are buffed if you don’t kill previous ones
but i mean lockout
like you lock urself out of the 3 bosses next week
undone flower
No we just didn’t kill saladbar that week
There is 2 stack of a debuff on my target
That’s what it is
Before you pull dragons you see *vanguards reduces hp and dmg done by… * debuff
surreal wedge
question anger management doesn't allow for odyn's to always line up with av and reck, so does it cause weird desyncs?
vivid pollen
you can safely send odyns without avatar/reck
but context matters as well
if you are in a big pack and avatar is almost up, might be worth holding for a few seconds
surreal wedge
right right, just didn't kno how crazy the dexyncs messed with stuff
kinda enjoyed having perfect 1/2
polar narwhal
4-set is effectively AM for Odyn's Fury
undone flower
If you send OF on CD you have every other OF aligned
polar narwhal
^
undone flower
- you can have your second OF in avatar duration if you extend enough avatar
worn rain
blizz hates synced cd for warriors for some reason
undone flower
Your CDs are around 45 sec, OF is around 20-25 sec CD
Hence why we don’t like 2min cd trinkets that much
coarse nest
It must be because we always macro them together when they are in sync
Jokes on them because I macro them anyway and when they align great and when they don’t they don’t
undone flower
I do bind them together but I use the macro to cast the trinket if it’s not aligned
plain nacelle
is there a reason why bloodthirst hits would be lower than the stated tooltip damage? is it because of armor? im just hitting dummies with it and the regular hits always seems to be quite lower than the tooltip states.
worn rain
armor ye
slim pollen
this my guildies bonus rolls in algethar
before the fix he got 2 rings + 1 shoe...
That's a warglaive, not a shoe 😂
digital mauve
why are these fucking meta slaves don't understand that comp phys can be played with fury and not exclusively with arms?
unborn delta
That's a warglaive, not a shoe 😂
idek i dont play devourr
digital mauve
I almost gonna bait them with being arms until the countdown starts and switch to fury
sullen dove
this my guildies bonus rolls in algethar
before the fix he got 2 rings + 1 shoe...
o so they did give back 3
nice
unborn delta
i got 0 on my warr im fuming
sullen dove
but also yea thats like... the quintessential worst possible outcome out of this
unborn delta
but i did get the 2h from saron at least
plain nacelle
i had a feral in my MT 16 the other day doing like 800k on a decent sized pack
it was kinda insane tbh
supple glen
why are these fucking meta slaves don't understand that comp phys can be played ...
bc you kinda play phys for arms
digital mauve
bc you kinda play phys for arms
why??
digital mauve
why not fury?
dapper goblet
digital mauve
well it aitn, I don't like playing arms so I wont playing it right
dapper goblet
sullen dove
fury is fine enough arms just pretty much all around better in everything except st
sullen dove
gg
dapper goblet
cock
supple glen
well it aitn, I don't like playing arms so I wont playing it right
just dont apply to the phys groups
undone flower
supple glen
they are literallly meta grps around arms and such
sullen dove
also unless ur pugging* like 16s or higher kinda silly to care about phys comps lol
supple glen
that too
digital mauve
they are literallly meta grps around arms and such
I will tag as arms and switch back to fury when we're about to enter
sullen dove
a reasonable experiment
undone flower
Deserved to be reported imo
supple glen
nice, make it harder for all warriors to get invites
id forfeit the key out of spite
sullen dove
would be well within your right
lol
i would turn xeos into a pig if u did that shit
digital mauve
well f this mentality of people dictating that arms belong to phys comp and not fury for whatever reason?
sullen dove
its nothing to really do with belonging to phys comp its just arms is better than fury
both are equal amounts of benefit/gain from it
supple glen
but again, phys groups are meta groups around arms. they dont want fury
theres tons of normal grps
digital mauve
id forfeit the key out of spite
yeah you do that while the key would be still timed with a fury on your phys group?
supple glen
its about you lying
digital mauve
theres tons of normal grps
not true, they dont take fury
undone flower
They choose a comp to have a higher chance to time the key
sullen dove
what key levels are we even talkin about here
supple glen
i get taken. whats your ilvl and rating
its not as easy as 2 weeks ago but its reasonmable
undone flower
Idk 17+
digital mauve
I'm talking a range of +14 to +16 even there people are asking arms instead of fury
not 20+ range where I would understand
sullen dove
yea i mean thats a little silly but idk still meta mentality
supple glen
yeah but people want the best chances
sullen dove
most other classes have the same situation where one spec is "better" than the rest
and the other 1 or 2 get taken a lot less
supple glen
yday i got flamed bc apparently i wasnt able to carry the group like they thought i wuld xd
undone flower
RIP Aff Laval
sullen dove
tru
supple glen
i was doing normal fury damage lol
digital mauve
3044 rio, 280 ilvl, timed a +15, still when I tag to +15 or +16 as fury I'm asked if I play arms
sullen dove
yea i mean that could also just be 1 group leader who cares
undone flower
3044 rio, 280 ilvl, timed a +15, still when I tag to +15 or +16 as fury I'm ask...
Do they kick you if you say no ?
sullen dove
maybe more generally dont
digital mauve
Do they kick you if you say no ?
they whisp while I'm on queue
supple glen
you actually get whispers? lol
undone flower
Yeah wtf
supple glen
i just get declined
digital mauve
and don't invite me when I say no. So I'll just switch to arms, say yes, then when we're about to enter I'll switch fury. Because I'll have plenty of damage to do a +16 as a fury
undone flower
I just either accepted or declined/relisted
supple glen
man they saw rio rankings and vods of ppl doing really well on arms
digital mauve
Im all out being toxic with toxic people
dapper goblet
i would turn xeos into a pig if u did that shit
supple glen
they dont understand that half the time you need phat spellreflects. and now they want that for their grp
undone flower
swordfish for pinky
smoky vale
https://tenor.com/view/pjjfanbase-gif-21393231
blud said that as if you werent already one
digital mauve
so yeah gotta play dirty with these stupid mfers
bitter palm
dapper goblet
gio thought that was real
dapper goblet
smoky vale
dapper goblet
that i believe
bitter palm
hi pig
smoky vale
amen
undone flower
Groink
smoky vale
piggyish57
bitter palm
swordoink57
sullen dove
i need a myth weapon next week so i can get myth of the dawn
bitter palm
bla bla bla
smoky vale
not this shit again
bitter palm
🥄
smoky vale
die you pig
sullen dove
can we talk about why theres 3 of these in sims
smoky vale
can we talk about why theres 3 of these in sims
put in the ilvl
sullen dove
that has been true until this most recent week
supple glen
so yeah gotta play dirty with these stupid mfers
i was askign myself
maybe bc its an old ungeon
sullen dove
but even then only 1 useful piece
undone flower
Lootfed swordish still needs items to get Dawn
smoky vale
yep gaze heart chest and what
sullen dove
heart was vault
supple glen
nah even with high ilvl it gives 3 options i tried earlier
smoky vale
oh so we actually spoonfed
sullen dove
i think i got paladins pants as my third piece
spoonfed when im 90% a self made man
ok
undone flower
I got : chime legs, heart and chest from raid
sullen dove
been hearin all about your r1 chim for last 5 weeks
dapper goblet
can we talk about why theres 3 of these in sims
3 different versions of it perhap
sullen dove
i think we all know
undone flower
Not a lot of Loboz talk this tier
sullen dove
he is hibernating
waiting for a tier when there's real pad to do
not this mickey mouse shit
sullen dove
goat
undone flower
I bet he plays slayer in all keys
sullen dove
sullen dove
sudden tusk
Lmao
undone flower
If you play on EU watch out on groups with a warrior dps, it might be Him
sullen dove
himothy
sudden tusk
Ahl is just a classic goober guru The classic Andy's like him alot
undone flower
They do sometime
supple glen
hes just giga padding
dapper goblet
sudden tusk
Loboz will make a lobotomized build that makes no sense then rank like 5 with it
supple glen
with people sitting out on aoe n shit
undone flower
BT OF in S3 
sudden tusk
I saw someone post that gif that wasn't you xeos and had to double take
dapper goblet
my alt account
sullen dove
o im like 40 dps away from 100k sim man this vantus sim padding thing is pretty good huh
still 30k under dk's and dh's tho but no big deal
misty edge
100k sim challenge impossible
undone flower
He is standard slaying the first boss
supple glen
sim again
supple glen
maybe its within 40
dapper goblet
add 2 more targets for dk and i go up 10k
undone flower
I don’t last that long
sullen dove
yea idk everyone doing it and i do need a myth weapon
sudden tusk
Tho lura wep is bis....
supple glen
hidden sinew
is mountain thane the best m+ build?
sullen dove
i sim 89k as arms with fucking 282 ilvl
vantus pad adds like 4k
but im like 95k normally i think
undone flower
I got masara weapon which is the same as paladin so cba
sullen dove
is that a mastery necklace
steel shard
yea sadly
sullen dove
yea...
undone flower
Hero pit neck 5% dps gain
spare steppe
289 bis 289 trinkets
Ayyy I have that nick too
native wadi
Im 92 with shit trinkets
sullen dove
only major thing i could see being the case other than the neck which is probably really bad is less sockets or crafted gear that isnt crit haste
but idk our gear looks pretty identical otherwise
sullen dove
gg
undone flower
I really think pit neck is >2% gain on this arms char
dapper goblet
sim pad
dapper goblet
you know i've not played a single week of dk where the spec did the damage it was supposed to
take that how you will
undone flower
Goober boss*
dapper goblet
well if we had the 5% ap to all our friends warrior beats dk
sullen dove
yea true
they need to give buffs to ppl that cast em
like ff
your 5% damage is MINE
I PROVIDED THE BUFF
thank fuck they getting rid of the group buffing shit in ff tho
dapper goblet
i love playing the red man to grip
undone flower
Grip urself
dapper goblet
grip these
supple glen
dk is a hero class they need to be good
normal forge
Where is the fun of hitting with big weapons if we hit like wet noodles
sullen dove
this hero class shit gotta be a made up term at this point no
spare steppe
Dks need a raid buff so they stop making grip needed
normal forge
Or like i'd say, bugged dks
sullen dove
didnt it originally refer to them because they started not at lvl 1
and demon hunters and evokers too
spare steppe
Mages are the OG hero class
sullen dove
but like now everyone starts at the same level
supple glen
everyone wants to be arthas
undone flower
Dk is main char class
sullen dove
supple glen
hero was just marketing idk
spare steppe
Now do it again next week after the bug fixes go in
dapper goblet
supple glen
how many filters
dapper goblet
well if the brown class wanted to do boss dam it would spec the 1 weapon spec
vestal light
sterile hearth
"hero class need to be OP" was the excuse people gave when ret-DK 2v2 bracket got absolutely screwed in season 5 back in wrath. I can't believe people still say it unironically
supple glen
how many filters until fury is on top challenge
undone flower
He put 20th percentile so he can see his own ranking
sullen dove
steel shard
well if the brown class wanted to do boss dam it would spec the 1 weapon spec
funny thing is
it sims worse
on ST
dapper goblet
<:xeos:945501697847992341>
saw that
sullen dove
nope
normal forge
how many filters until fury is on top challenge
200
supple glen
"hero class need to be OP" was the excuse people gave when ret-DK 2v2 bracket go...
"unironically"
sullen dove
i think that may be true but literally by like, 1 or 2 thousand
steel shard
for me atleast but thats prob because of my neck
dapper goblet
but all these people play arms on the bosses
sullen dove
and its also just fake for every fight
dapper goblet
fake..
sullen dove
fury st nerf by the way
normal forge
Arms is BIS in raid
normal forge
But who likes to play arms in M+?
sullen dove
"move some damage allocation around"
steel shard
there better be a
undone flower
Arms is as doggo as fury
undone flower
In raid
steel shard
normal forge
No i have an idea
sullen dove
10% buff to both specs and we're still ass
normal forge
Lets say we are bugged
sullen dove
but ill take it
dapper goblet
"design change"
imagine if you broke free from the chains that is warrior
spare steppe
Wtb more buffs
steel shard
10% buff to both specs and we're still ass
if arms got 10% aura buff
normal forge
And the bug is just we do 20 percent dmg less and complain
undone flower
Im ww monk enlightened
steel shard
yea
supple glen
Im ww monk enlightened
true its great
normal forge
It would be THE meta spec
steel shard
prob high A
normal forge
With that funnel and AOE ? 10 percent more and you're more powerful than anyone
undone flower
Prob B
sullen dove
b deez nuts
sullen dove
arms rage regardless of windfury is cheeks
need cooldowns to give reck again
or something
steel shard
it feels like they just
sullen dove
cant fathom how i can hit avatar + cs and then just not be able to press any buttons for 3 seconds
sullen dove
there is no such thing as middle ground without like.. previous model of more rage in cds less rage outside of it
idgaf if im rage starved perma when i dont have cds
steel shard
just charge weave bro 🐲
sullen dove
but cant look at me with a straight face and say its good you just cant hit buttons in execute window when u press ur cds
but yea 95% of the time arms is either too little rage or too much rage and both are kind of cringe for their own reasons but would 100% rather have too much rage
even if its an effectively useless resource just let me hit my god damn buttons
steel shard
but yea 95% of the time arms is either too little rage or too much rage and both...
Should i try and get the pit neck or mythic salad bar neck btw
with the coin
sullen dove
idk probably if u dont plan to coin anything else significant
salad prolly little better could drop at higher ilvl from raid vault
steel shard
yea i pugged 5/9 mythic this week so
sullen dove
i kinda want pit weapon but really dont want to farm it cuz literally every item out of there would be bad for me
except maybe belt
steel shard
279 vault
sullen dove
holy
dapper goblet
but yea 95% of the time arms is either too little rage or too much rage and both...
arms is better designed when rage is more of an issue
fight me
steel shard
die
dapper goblet
or harder to come by type ish
sullen dove
so we just like not hitting buttons during cooldowns
steel shard
do we want the attack speed wep enchant back
dapper goblet
basically when rage isnt pouring out of every hole
sullen dove
yea i mean that is also bad
but i would rather have that than not being able to press the execute button for 5 seconds when i press avatar cs in execute phase
just need to give reck back to our cooldowns or something
take my rage outside of cds idc
dapper goblet
arms doesnt have reck with avatar anymore?
sullen dove
hell no
dapper goblet
oh wow they got some evil mastermind workin on that spec now
sullen dove
i wouldnt be averse to a little bit of mickey mouse charge weaving but not when i have 80% worth of dmg buffs running in my cds
supple glen
ask for mop classic treatment where they removed minimum range and its just a generator
dapper goblet
you could min max charge weaving in dragonflight fated right
sullen dove
prolly i dont remember allat
dapper goblet
maybe it was before that
sullen dove
dragonflight fated was equipping s3 fury 2set even tho bots voted for s2 set
dapper goblet
perhap shadowlands at some point
sullen dove
all i remember playing in it
misty edge
slands for sure had charge weaving
dapper goblet
dragonflight fated was equipping s3 fury 2set even tho bots voted for s2 set
apook voted season
indigo arch
Can't imagine voting for ravager
dapper goblet
2
sullen dove
w
indigo arch
in any year
dapper goblet
s1 > s2 > s3
sly merlin
where do we think i should send my bonus rolls? vor trinket perhaps?
dapper goblet
s3 the single button assist spec before the single button assist came out
indigo arch
need another pipeline punch
dapper goblet
you played ravager in season 2 yeah
misty edge
apook voted season
we voted for the same season, piggy
indigo arch
I just know ppl voted the shit shit back in
indigo arch
and ppl didn't like it, lmao
olive wraith
“But they’re gonna tune s2 better”
dapper goblet
AM = more fun on goober fast paced fury spec
olive wraith
Tier set didn’t do anything for gameplay
dapper goblet
Tier set didn’t do anything for gameplay
the tierset was bad
but people are stupid (warriors)
olive wraith
It’ll get tuned 
dapper goblet
s1 should have won
people were just still scarred from the 1% 4pc gain that was season 1
dapper goblet
s1 fury after the first patch that let you spend rage was epic
so many execute procs.
warm crag
s1 fury after the first patch that let you spend rage was epic
im playing gunbop now
rerolling mage soon too
joining the enemies
dapper goblet
you and madox are both freaks