fury

[gentle badge]

What’s intensive about the rotation? I’ve seen it mentioned before here. I was in noxivs chat the other day and he said at 6 or more tclap off gcd and 5 and under do normal rotation and weave in tclap.

Maybe I’m missing something here, actually asking

[stoic rampart]

It's more about not getting lost in the sauce.

Before fury hit the tuning dumpster we had other furies in the group and I'd see them rolling over raging blow for no reason and that'd kill your parse more than blizzard already has

[gentle badge]

What do you mean by rolling over?

I haven’t played much fury this season but started to dabble in dps since I got resil 17s because I’d rather not play prot and do some phys comp with a brew lol and fury feels fun but does not feel rewarding. I hit avatar and don’t notice much burst at all

Which I understand is just how it is atm being kind of steady dps not bursty

[inner zinc]

can we leap this? from the start area of Skyreach to the first platform where the boss is

u can gate it, but i havnt found an angle to leap it

[brittle crow]

it's possible

[inner zinc]

Yeah i just did it like a minute ago but im having trouble recreating it

[brittle crow]

i have a clip somewhere

[brittle crow]

https://m.twitch.tv/nav_ox/clip/TenaciousDrabHedgehogRuleFive-NWQIIEjyCRxbW1s9?desktop-redirect=true

[inner zinc]

yeah im not talking about that one lol

[hot shell]

I just run in any of the 3 whirlies in the beginning. Once Knoched up youre free to leap anywhere

[brittle crow]

hehe :3

[inner zinc]

https://youtu.be/lqjOSidV34E
https://youtu.be/2k_dfX4y3OE
figured out 2 skips to the first platform of skyreach. Really only useful for walk back

[frozen scarab]

soo hows the patch treating you guys 🙂

feelin lots of love from blizz

[mortal veldt]

which crafted cloak

[reef cape]

i haven been able to recreate that since M0 farms

[vast gorge]

omg did you guys see those warrior buffs?!

[frozen scarab]

where where where

[vast gorge]

lol jk

[frozen scarab]

[brittle crow]

is the new patch content available for non max lvl toons

[magic prairie]

not enough

[worn rain]

now even bugfixes for warrior is premium

[brittle crow]

just switch to devourer bros

[frozen scarab]

theyre lowkey due for another buff

[spark coral]

People get their rerolls back yet.

?

[drowsy heron]

probably not

[stiff carbon]

I just got refunded my bonus rolls

should I go pug dreamrift again?

[orchid glen]

anyone know if i can reroll chimaerus if i alr killed n looted him this week?

[compact knot]

its not worth to reroll heroic chimaerus even if you can reroll again

and you arent able to zone into another mythic chimaerus even if you wanted too

i guess that doesnt anwser your question but i dont think you would be able to reroll a boss you already killed

[dry hawk]

I hope I get mine when I log in tomorrow

Rolled the same ring I rolled Wednesday and logged off haha

[vivid pollen]

Did an 18 skyreach on fury last night, felt incredibly comfortable

Same dmg overall as the demo lock and devourer

[last lichen]

skyreach is so nice, spell refelcting the construct's beam is peak

[vivid pollen]

Then did a 17 academy

Timed by 1 second lmao

Fk that place

[sly merlin]

17 SR not bad?

[hearty geyser]

do you like mounts for 3400 rio ?

[hearty geyser]

its okay for this dung

[sly merlin]

holy aura

[tight ruin]

Anyone only get 1 voidcore refunded?

[lilac temple]

I just logged on and i got a extra Nebulous Voidcores. Did something happen? i didnt see anything on forums.

[lilac temple]

Why are we getting a refund?

[sly merlin]

BUGS

[lilac temple]

Nice i didnt get a bug roll

[sly merlin]

if u rolled while it was bugged ull get a refund

even if u got what u wanted

[real cape]

Got both refunded.

Compulsive gambler gang.

[wraith sentinel]

should i send my new bonus rolls they gave back to me in pit of saron for a chance at the 2h/neck/head?

or save em

it didnt give me myth gaze on reset and im still chewing on a hero 2h

[strange drift]

always gamble kids

[sullen falcon]

Hey guys ! for BIS should i craft 2 blood knight warblades or nope ?

[rare flame]

acquired B)

[rare fjord]

the amount of useless fluff in that dungeon is what stops me from trying to get this

[brittle crow]

i did 130k overall on a 13 spire

[compact knot]

they are nice but you just have such a high chance of hitting some garbage

[brittle crow]

good or bad

[compact knot]

and the gloves themselves arent even all that insane tbh

[rare flame]

Its really not even that bad - theres tier head, chest, shoulders and bis statted belt

[compact knot]

alot of people prob taking tier from vault

[rare flame]

The huge misses are wrist, neck and ring

[compact knot]

on a new character its probably a good dungeon to aim for

[wraith sentinel]

theres no such thing as a bad roll

[compact knot]

i would beg to differ...

[brittle crow]

ok then

beg ..

[compact knot]

PLEASEEEE dont give me another chest

[rare flame]

The new character in question 😭😭😭😭

[compact knot]

ok yeagh

you literally have 0 myth tier pieces wth

that dungeon bis for u

[rare flame]

Bro bc vault gave me weap, box and boots

[brittle crow]

which

[compact knot]

seat

[rare flame]

Seat

[brittle crow]

actually im leveling a dh it's gonna be different

wonder what's the best for a fresh dh

[compact knot]

ddh or

havoc

prob ddh

[brittle crow]

good q

[compact knot]

uhh which places have the most haste mastery leather

[brittle crow]

prob ddh

[rare flame]

Cringe

[brittle crow]

wait there's a website for this

[compact knot]

i can link it for u

[brittle crow]

https://voidcoreplanner.pages.dev/

huge

[compact knot]

ye that one

dont aim for trinkets on ddh

m+ trinkets***

[rare flame]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/demon-hunter/havoc/overview-pve-dps

Better link

[compact knot]

i boosted my ddh and that spec is actually so much fun idk

its just a ranged fury warrior with better burst

and more st

and more consistent dps

[brittle crow]

boosted?

[rare flame]

Havoc is my son forever bro

[compact knot]

yeah the 1 - 80 boost

from the blizzard services

[brittle crow]

is level cap 80 or 90 rn

..

[compact knot]

90

[brittle crow]

ok ok

i thought i was goin Loco

[compact knot]

im literally never going to level from 1 - 80 by hand ever again

not happening

[brittle crow]

ive perfected the art

takes like 3 hrs

[compact knot]

wyd

[rare fjord]

just do it on a timewlaking week

done in 2 days without tryharding overmuch

[brittle crow]

no

timewalking slow as fuck

[compact knot]

my strat takes like 1 hour to go from 1-80

very efficient gold farm

[brittle crow]

silverpine -> hillsbrad -> wod intro -> gorgrond

ez 1-80

[random shadow]

The real question is how long for 80-90 lol

[brittle crow]

2-3 hrs again

i have a route for that too

don't know it by heart tho

[compact knot]

i did like the first 5 levels in a hour through the delve quests/profession xp

[brittle crow]

incorrect!

[compact knot]

delves give you 3 levels and prof xp is like +1

[brittle crow]

delve quests get turned in at the end

[compact knot]

ik

[brittle crow]

so does prof xp

[compact knot]

ik

[haughty token]

Is thane still the m+ spec

[brittle crow]

fool

[compact knot]

i prepared all the quests and prof mats beforehand

[brittle crow]

yes

[compact knot]

so im lvl 81 with all the turn ins and prof shit prepped

[brittle crow]

wise

[compact knot]

its like insta boost to 84 if i wanted too,

kinda crazy

10 delves is so much xp

i went to quest in open world though

[brittle crow]

the real meta is u slow level when u have nothing else to do by doing every quest

[compact knot]

and i was enraged instantly

[brittle crow]

then u don't need to do it for the meta achievement

at the end of xpac

the most wise

[compact knot]

oooh thats what i was missing

warmode xp

war mode*

[brittle crow]

not worth getting ganked by feral paladin players

shit makes me heated

and it happens weirdly often to me

[compact knot]

it was only bad on my mage

got spam ganked by a rogue perma

[brittle crow]

unlucky

[compact knot]

had to log out for like a hour so he would go away

idk he just chased me

lvl 90 rogue chasing me is aids

war/dk/priest all where pretty smooth though in warmode

i went to quest on my dh and i killed everything fairly fast but i cannot quest through eversong for a 5th time in a row

[brittle crow]

quest thru somewhere else

or go find the leveling route harldan made it

[compact knot]

it would have to be harandar

voidstorm is the worst zone ever made

[brittle crow]

i like voidstorm ..

[compact knot]

and the troll zone ive always done like thrice

[brittle crow]

im working thru harandar rn tho yes

are u eu?

[compact knot]

nah NA

[brittle crow]

damn go to bed it's 3am

[compact knot]

2 am

1 more hr b4 i bedge

[brittle crow]

i bedge now

[compact knot]

my problem with voidstorm is i did it on my priest and i did all the side quests when i was lvl 89

gn

[brittle crow]

i did a lot of the side quests in zulaman

not all of em tho

[compact knot]

i got loremaster already but voidstorm side quests

are the worst experience

[brittle crow]

damn im slow

[compact knot]

long drawn out quest chains that make you go inside holes in the ground constantly

[brittle crow]

i love holes

!!

[compact knot]

W

[random shadow]

khazix wheres my refunded voidcores :(

[undone flower]

I personally do zulaman

When leveling alt

[compact knot]

yeah zulaman i zoomed through on my first character for campaign

[brittle crow]

do the harldan leveling route

[compact knot]

minus the follower dungeon that at the time i didnt know i could que for

[brittle crow]

my final message

[compact knot]

that was half the zone

[brittle crow]

goodbye

[undone flower]

It’s almost enough, I do beginning of harandar if I didn’t get many dungeon tags while questing

Yeah I stop when you get the den quest

It’s the last quest anyway

Then hero crests farm

[sly merlin]

1.5min off 2chest mc17

holy speedrun

[quartz wharf]

is fury terrible rn in raid?

[compact knot]

very not good

fury is some of the worst boss damage and other specs just do better burst aoe

so fury's one niche was good spread burst aoe

and it cant do that now because other specs do it faster and better

[quartz wharf]

yea feels very hard to pad everything dies too fast

[compact knot]

arms has middle of the pack boss damage and not great aoe, but id take better boss damage over padding on shit that dies anyways like 100% of the time

arms is pretty good on dragons and paladins though when you can spec colossus

[golden mural]

I have two surv hunters in my raid team. The broomstick the hell out of the adds. No dam for me.

[compact knot]

yeah surv is one of those specs

along with ddh

they both blow shit up instantly

and both are very popular specs now

[quartz wharf]

should i just be running slayer then and stop caring about padding and parses

[compact knot]

well surv isnt that popular

[compact knot]

not really

thane loses very little st and can do aoe much better

if you really care about being ethical you would just spec arms i think

but if you want to play fury your best bet is to stay thane

[quartz wharf]

i tried arms its crazy not fun to me. would rather just play an entirely diff class atp

maybe ill quit fury unti;l it gets better

[compact knot]

slayer certainly isnt that great outside of execute funwise

inside execute its a pretty solid rotation though

[quartz wharf]

i enjoy thane a lot more than slayer

[stiff barn]

Same

[quartz wharf]

rotation feels better and thunderblastlooks cool

[stiff barn]

It just flows better imo

[compact knot]

if you want my honest opinion DDH is just a better and ranged version of fury

and also very tanky cause its a dh spec

[worthy yarrow]

is fury that bad?

[compact knot]

its playable and you will still do damage if your a good player

[stiff barn]

It's not great

[compact knot]

but a good fury will lose to a bad ddh

and a good fury will lose to a bad uhdk

or a bad ret

[dusty flicker]

so when do we get buffs?

[timid tide]

Ita not bad, but has it's limitations. It's very active spec in the sense that there's a lot of button mashing. And since it hasn't got great just it takes more to master and be on the level of other specs

[quartz wharf]

next expac

[compact knot]

it could happen next week ngl

i doubt they leave ddh in its current state

there is just no way that slips through

[dusty flicker]

waht do we need 5 or 10%?

[worthy yarrow]

i see

[compact knot]

i dont think it needs a aura buff

[smoky vale]

how much time left do you have on tw

[compact knot]

the gameplay has to change, fury's gameplay has dropped a significant amount in quality from the last expansion while not removing any rotational difficulties

[stiff barn]

Think targeted buff, maybe change the apex too

[quartz wharf]

needs to be able to do dmg faster

[compact knot]

uh i think i boosted it like 3pm

[golden mural]

Buff RB by 200% and make it proc reap

[compact knot]

so 12 hours

[worthy yarrow]

what if

im a sin player tho..

how does that compare

[compact knot]

garbage vs garbage

[fossil orbit]

YES! PLS!

[worthy yarrow]

ye thought so

nice

[compact knot]

sin atleast does boss damage though right

just 0 aoe

fury does 0 boss damage with a okayish amount of aoe

[smoky vale]

okay ill try to be back home by then

wait what faction is your dh

[compact knot]

im ally

night elf woman

[smoky vale]

you tank for us then

gl

[compact knot]

tank...

ok i can try

[smoky vale]

otherwise we gotta sit in queue for long

[compact knot]

i see

[smoky vale]

if its too much aids ill do it

but

[compact knot]

i have like 3 hours of dh gameplay

and most of it was spent at lvl 20

but i will try

cant be too hard, i learned how to heal on priest in 20 mins

[smoky vale]

you press your sigil

and then glaive

and then you win

[worthy yarrow]

id rather play fury than enhancement

i guess

[compact knot]

enha seems solid on l'ura

big burst to the crystals with solid boss damage

doesnt seem great on everything else though...

[worthy yarrow]

yea its kinda mehh

[bitter palm]

ret is also

insane

[worthy yarrow]

ret is fun tho no?

[worn rain]

Solid as fury damage solid or really solid?

[compact knot]

damage solid

[worthy yarrow]

or we dont like ret here

[compact knot]

i think this discord has a fond hatred of dk and mages

paladins are w/e

[worthy yarrow]

LMAO

why the hate on dk and mages

[compact knot]

they have climbed the list a bit though recently

[bitter palm]

its chill

but this season in m+ ret is just

insane

[worthy yarrow]

as in good damage?

[bitter palm]

not just dmg wise but everything wise

[compact knot]

it seems fun cause it has the same cds as fury but on a 30 second cooldown instead of like 40-60 seconds

[bitter palm]

dmg is insane

[compact knot]

well its not the same

they have better cds

[bitter palm]

util is insane

ye ret is like

[compact knot]

on a 30 second cd

[bitter palm]

better colo arms

hammer of light = demo

[smoky vale]

how do i get more uptime

[bitter palm]

what u playing

[smoky vale]

cone do i start running in and not out

arms man

i need more uptime

[compact knot]

the humble charge button

[bitter palm]

idk greed uptime stop playing safe

play greedy and pray

[smoky vale]

and if i die

[bitter palm]

unlucky

[unkempt oasis]

Blame lag

Like a pro

[bitter palm]

or just reroll to a spec that can run out axaxaxax

(uhdk ret)

[compact knot]

or one that doesnt need to at all

ddh

that spec owns man idk

resource gen is the same as fury with the shadow priest surrender to madness

and a truth nuke button that does like 800k aoe to each mob

[worthy yarrow]

wait hows arms

[compact knot]

pretty good rn

in m+

its okayish in raid

[bitter palm]

really good in m+

beats like

[worthy yarrow]

GORF2x

[bitter palm]

all specs except ddh

[compact knot]

i think aug and ddh both beat it out

[bitter palm]

nah not aug

aug fake

[compact knot]

aug doesnt seem so fake anymore after looking at it a lil more

[bitter palm]

pre . 5

arms beats everyone

[compact knot]

yeah

i still dont think uhdk is a real spec in m+

its good boss dam but

[worthy yarrow]

well ret it is

[last lichen]

Whats up with all this non Fury chatter?

[rare flame]

Look at my spec man

[last lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/the-godfather-don-corleone-vito-corleone-marlon-brando-look-how-they-massacred-my-boy-gif-16979410203213848300

[worthy yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gif-5332537

[compact knot]

boring spec overshadowed by cooler specs wcyd

[rare flame]

[meager lion]

Fury fun but getting left behind by all my friends cause I cant push higher number

[rare flame]

Honestly the damage isnt even that bad its just flat - mid lows mid highs

[muted tulip]

I love being anchor

[rare flame]

We dont fulfill a niche

[compact knot]

we had a niche

and it got removed by other specs getting gear

sadge

good sustained mass aoe on bosses like dragons

now ddh pushes collasping star and it hits every orb for 800k minimum

[muted tulip]

buff ddh

[worthy yarrow]

that spec is so boring to play idk

[compact knot]

i disagree

[worthy yarrow]

i feel like its missing 1 button

to be fun

but im prob wrong

[compact knot]

consume being a fast cast and moveable while casting is fine

the button also isnt a shitty filler button either because it generates both of your resources

[worthy yarrow]

yh idk another builder would be fun imo

bc youre basically just spamming consume no?

[compact knot]

if it felt like ass to push then i would be mad

but its literally free cause you can move during it and its like a .7 cast time

[worthy yarrow]

true

[compact knot]

consume might be top 1 filler buttons of all time actually

[rare flame]

Dont say idk- say it with your chest king

[compact knot]

generates both your resources, fast cast and can move during it

[rare flame]

https://tenor.com/view/black-sheep-mouton-noir-gif-1779060214929269887

[smoky vale]

you know what was better

[worthy yarrow]

LMAO

[smoky vale]

old ra

[worthy yarrow]

ra?

[compact knot]

oh and also procs your hero talent

meanwhile arms has fucking slam which consumes 900 rage when you push it

and has a .5% chance to give you a overpower charge or turn into heroic strike

[timid tide]

Question: let's say you're about to pull a big pack with bl. Do you use BT to get the bleed buff, rampage 1 or 2 times for berserker stacks and then Odyn's , or do you just OF out of the box? I always do it the first way assuming it's more dps but may be wrong

[compact knot]

i think a bt is worth it in a large pack

good thing you can do it prior to the pack being fully stacked

with the tierset though you never really want to delay odyns too long

[timid tide]

No I'm talking about the first pull in a m+. Whatever I do I'm left miles behind other classes when we burst with bl. I know fury has flat mid dmg and can't compete in BL windows

[smoky vale]

explain old ra to him

we lost peak

[timid tide]

I'm even prepping with the puzzle box before the pull

[bitter palm]

cb on painsmith balls

[smoky vale]

i miss tom

i miss hurricane

i miss double bs

i miss ava casting bs and of

i miss dragon flight

[bitter palm]

oookay buddy

you do NOT miss hurricane

[muted tulip]

I know it wasnt unique to warr but I miss blood of the enemy

[compact knot]

i miss hurricane in pvp

[signal falcon]

Goated animation and sfx

[compact knot]

i had some nasty clips in S3 df with hurricane and odyns fury

you became a atomic bomb with that tier set

(pvp)

+50% damage because of the death wish pvp talent

[plush maple]

I miss C A R N A G E

[compact knot]

hurricane and build stacks

use reck + avatar (1 odyns from the avatar), then normal odyns and bang

one shot a group of like 6 people

[bitter palm]

the last time i played pvp was df s1

i remember spear wrecking throw ms on a cocooned monk

[full prawn]

Am I right in thinking that Thunder Blast is sent on proc (unless better to Rampage), and Thunder Clap is sent if nothing else available? Sorry, picking up my warrior for the first time in TWW, and a tad confused

Sorry, and that clap is 7+ targets only, too

Or is this 7+ because that bit's during CDs?

[muted tulip]

I don't really play thane but i think you send clap over everything if enraged on 7+ targets

[full prawn]

I assumed Thane was the play, based off guides, or is it just personal preference?

[muted tulip]

oh yea i'm hard griefing

actual ball and chain

[full prawn]

haha, fair enough

It's just gonna be a random alt for me, but I like the thunder and lightning aesthetic

I need to properly look at the UI to see when I'm enraged then, I guess. I just did a delve last night, that's it. Think I have the general gist down

[wintry oak]

i have a question, i never knew why or if it increases damage, but why is it recommended to use rampage when above 100 rage and not as soon as you have the rage to use it? like is it a dps increase to use it only when above 100 rage or what is the reason?

i try to do it all the time but sometimes i forget and use rampage when below 100, is that really bad for dps?

[pearl sequoia]

cuz its about using abilities while enraged (rage economy)

[fallen ginkgo]

its to make the rotation smoother so there are less moments where you have to press filler like RB or WW when nothing else is ready. its just rage pooling

[warm crag]

hey the icyveins and wowhead guides are both written by archi but wowhead separates priorities by during and outside of cds

it might help contextualize when you want to naked tc and when to send tb procs

[wintry oak]

how does that affect the amount of moments you have to press fillers?

is it a big dps loss to do it on cd instead of doing it while above 100 for most of the fight?

[warm crag]

if you press 10 rampages instead of 10 available bloodthirsts you will lose like 3 bloodthirsts

same with other fillers, the more time you give yourself to regenerate them the more "better" buttons you end up pressing

[timid tide]

You also wanna use thunderclap/blast coz of improved WW that'll also hit multiple enemies with BT/rampage

[wintry oak]

so its to have buttons off cd for the time you use rampage, so that you get the most amount of good buttons to use while enraged?

[full prawn]

Ty. Think I'm getting to grips with it, but the nature of levelling means stuff just falls over.

I got the 1800 set with Hekili and Arms last season for the love of it, and learned nothing haha

[warm crag]

ye but also you just shouldnt be dropping enrage

the 100 isnt exactly a hard rule either you can stretch that a little as long as you dont drop enrage

its just the number they plugged into simc that simmed the highest (probably)

[wintry oak]

cool thx for the answer, and also how much of a dps difference would it be if i just pressed it on cd as opposed to trying to do it everytime or close to everytime i get to 100 rage?

is it like a lot of dps or almost not noticable

[rare flame]

Its not a matter of dps loss - its not like it scales with the amount of rage you spend. Its just about resource efficiency - you’re using rampage as a rage dump so that you don’t overcap on rage while keeping your other abilities on cooldown

Bloodthirst is extremely high prio because it can give charges of blast -> but you can only press it if you arent overcapping on rage

There will be times where the highest prio button you can press will be a rampage with less than 100 rage

[timid tide]

Rampage also gives stackable buffs of berserk, which increases strength. So don't delay rampage to the 100-110 pool, just because

[wintry oak]

yeah as long as i dont drop enrage

[warm crag]

you can sim this should only take 5-10 minutes to figure out

[wintry oak]

also something i am not 100% on, prio is rampage -> bloodbath -> bloodthirst -> execute -> thunder blast -> ragining blow -> thunder clap right?

[rare flame]

Aoe or st?

In cds or out of cds?

[wintry oak]

in st

[wintry oak]

out of cds

[warm crag]

wowhead has a dedicated priority page ya

[rare flame]

Yep

[wintry oak]

also does execute go up in prio like in older expansions when in execute range or does that not happen anymore

[vague stump]

yeah wowhead.com

[warm crag]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[vague stump]

tells you everything you need to know

[rare flame]

Execute on fury warrior

Execute on mountain thane

[vague stump]

why u kekw lol

[warm crag]

its only the second best non proc button to press

[rare flame]

It hits like a pool noodle

Its not even higher prio in execute than bloodthirst

Let that marinate. I dont want to press execute in execute

[warm crag]

kinda makes sense when we click literally every talent that increases bloodthirst damage including the one that makes it hit harder in execute and skip all the ones that affect execute

you can make a build that clicks execute talents if you want

[rare flame]

Which performs worse - hence why I kekw execute

[warm crag]

would you prefer to click the same talents for the 20th season in a row

[jagged socket]

i dont like arbitrary decisions by blizz to decide we play one talent for this season

[rare flame]

I would prefer for execute to hit harder than it currently does in execute

[jagged socket]

just make them all work

[warm crag]

they all work though

[jagged socket]

make talents meaningful decisions

and no the illusion of choice

[warm crag]

the arbitrary decisions is made by the players just flocking to the best simming (and performing) talent build

[rare flame]

Choosing your talents based on what performs better, by definition, is not an arbitrary decision lmao

[jagged socket]

yes but we are, as players, predicatable

[warm crag]

@dense elbow played OFwhen it was not performing best for years and they completed all their objectives

[dense elbow]

I mean true

[rare flame]

That’s great and I’m happy for funkykitty

[red berry]

the sim between my thane and slayer 😭 they really are just

[wicked eagle]

Am I part of the minority that thinks the specs both play well but the tuning is just dog

[rare flame]

I dont think a majority of the playerbase dislikes the way fury plays, i think most ppl would agree with you in that its just the tuning

Eh I mean thane kinda blows major dick but the tuning is a bigger problem than the gameplay

[worthy yarrow]

@rare flameew sub rogue detected

[rare flame]

[lime vortex]

A buffed rampaging ruin and reworked to where it only activates when hitting beyond X targets, would fix a lot of complaints about fury in keys

[worthy yarrow]

ahahaha

[rare flame]

Caught

[rare flame]

Honestly I dont know that the “solution” to dps warrior in M+ is something so marginal

We lowkey need an actual rework since our baptism in nerubar

[warm crag]

wouldnt hold my breath for it

[rare flame]

Of course not, this is one of the gronk coded specs in the game

[wicked eagle]

We’re pretty fine in m+ its raid I don’t like

[dense elbow]

Fury is atm just a question of numbers going up, like an aura buff, gameplay is totally fine

Would like to see some finetuned ST changes, maybe a RB buff

Yet overall things are in a good spot

[polar narwhal]

Improved Whirlwind back down to 55% but buff ST so cleave stays the same HmmGe

[warm crag]

i dont overly like rampaging ruin (i meant rampaging berserker) reducing rage costs just feels bad for the spec

[dense elbow]

You dont need to nerf IWW tho

[rare flame]

The issue that blizzard is proposing is that buffing our st buffs our aoe by a disproportionate amount

[dense elbow]

we aint strong on AoE either

[rare flame]

Thats why we need a structural rework

[warm crag]

now i gotta press two rampages to get the same cdr lesgoo

[dense elbow]

RR is the one thing I never hope to come to pass

It is divine storm for Fury

I dont want to become more like ret

[warm crag]

i meant rampaging berserker

[polar narwhal]

The 20% Reap chance on Rampage isn't per target unfortunately. And with Rampaging Ruin the chance seems much, much lower somehow. 10 Casts on dummy, no Reap.

[warm crag]

but rr is also horrid ye

[warm crag]

n=10 goes hard

[dense elbow]

My reaps works as intended, basically a 20% rate, 20 casts, is 4 reaps

Also checked a bunch of logs from deniers, and it always checked out

ppl just being quite jaded and wanting there to be an issue

RTS sitting at 10% after a key, is fine

[polar narwhal]

With regular Rampage its fine

Its just shit its a dead talent on ST

With no alternative because Hero Talent

[red berry]

dw itll get us a buff eventually

[fallen ginkgo]

theyre just use to tww s3 reap and thats sadly not the case anymore

[rare flame]

INSANELY based username jesus christ

[fallen ginkgo]

HAHAHA

[rare flame]

Mod this guy give him the keys to the discord

[indigo arch]

Going from s3 slayer to this shit in keys and otherwise has been

yea.

[worthy yarrow]

give me slayer talents then

i wanna be part of this

nice a katarina otp

i can trust you

[gleaming crag]

When's our aura pass coming ?

[lime vortex]

absolutely wouldn't be a complete fix to the spec, but it'll fix a lot of the complaints about the spec, cause atm it fury is in a place where it doesn't do great prio damage, it doesn't do great aoe either, no burts, nothing, just damage at a pretty much constant pace, while i'd love to see a slight rework to the spec that would address that, i'll settle for doing solid aoe in big pulls in keys

[indigo arch]

Surely next tuesday

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-18890916

[dense elbow]

I rather take big prio dam, big 5t cleave, lackluster mass AoE, giga AoE burst

[worthy yarrow]

whos that aura guy u mentioned

[dense elbow]

Aura just means an overall affecting element, so aura buff, means buffs everything

3% aura = 3% dam up for everything

[indigo arch]

I'd fuck with fury having absolutely giga aoe for once, colo arms is ok but fury is just more fun to me

[dense elbow]

Thane aint bad AoE tho

[indigo arch]

It's "ok"

[lime vortex]

That would also be good, hell, instead of rampaging ruin, bring back that talent that gave us extra haste on prio target, make it exta 2-3% damage as well and we'd be good

[indigo arch]

And unfortunately they gave dps warr utility so now we can't say "bad dps bad utility"

[dense elbow]

RR is atalent I dont want

I dont want Divine Storm for Fury

[indigo arch]

They could start on fury aoe with entirely redoing what RR does

easy tuning nob

knob*

(Or yknow, make odyn's not dogshit)

etc

[dense elbow]

Odyn getting buffed once this tier ends btw

[indigo arch]

I don't even fear for my life pressing cds off rip anymore as fury

They could tune cshb to do heaps more dam too

so many things they could do

but choose not to

[dense elbow]

Gaining threat as Fury cause of burst is very much a moment

[indigo arch]

If I get threat as fury now I automatically file the tank in a specific catagory tbh

and it isn't a polite one

arms threat kinda scary off rip tho

good thing arms actually takes it's defensive

[dense elbow]

So does Fury, if you aint a sheiter minmaxer

[indigo arch]

well, I have seen enraged regen creeping up

as keys enter CBT territory

[dense elbow]

cause ppl noticed it is fucking awesome to have

To be fair, anyone worth their salt, has already been using it

[indigo arch]

Yea turns out having defensives is good in push keys

[unreal vale]

Personnally, i take the enrage regen. Sometimes unavoidable damage are too much for the healer to handle if i cant reduce them

like bouncing glaive in magister terrace

[indigo arch]

If crushing force didn't amp bt I'd 110% be taking stance mastery

not taking jav feels stinky so that's a no too

[fallen ginkgo]

can switch around a few talents in both trees like warpaint for enraged regen or meat cleaver for rampaging ruin but need macro for rampage then, if you know you know

[fallen ginkgo]

and wtf does that mean XDD

people are gonna be mad at me when they found out i play thane too lol

10/10 ragebait

[icy whale]

Where would you use Voidcores in my situation?
Chimaerus: gaze and chest are ~0.7% upgrade, boots are no upgrade anymore
Magisters' Terrace: legs, chest, waist are ~0.7% upgrade - weapon, boots, ring are ~0.1% upgrade
Seat: chest, head, waist, neck are ~0.7% upgrade - voidclaw gloves, wrist are ~0.2% upgrade

[indigo arch]

I'd send it on chim

trinkets-%gains-w/e

Assuming m chim ofc

which is puggable/heroic fight level difficulty tbh

[dusk matrix]

Yeah Thane is so fun and very smooth and very fury!

[icy whale]

i have 276 gaze, it would be 0.8% upgrade, but i could also get boots and have no upgrade from voidcores

in dungeons i could get 2 items

[indigo arch]

If able, perhaps try to kill m vorasius?

for m heart

It also doubles as good arms trinket

[icy whale]

i have hc heart and gaze, would always play both

[indigo arch]

I'd send it at m heart+aln first

tbh

both are pretty ez to swing at

[warm crag]

can technically look at the expected value from each source and decide that way

[indigo arch]

fury is spoiled with good early trinkets

[worthy yarrow]

great

[vestal root]

Dont think ill ever reach m godzilla in pugs ill keep my myth heart of wind

[icy whale]

chimaerus is expected value +0.4% for 2 voidcores
dungeons are +0.3% for 2x 1 voidcore

[icy whale]

just need to queue wednesday-saturday, after that it gets rough

[warm crag]

who is godzilla

[icy whale]

people are progressing on dragons in pugs already

[vestal root]

Vorasius

[warm crag]

what do you mean that boss is literally trivial

[indigo arch]

m vora is ez, even the shitty rp server guild I'm in has it down

literal gray parsers

[vestal root]

Oh its not difficulty

[indigo arch]

it's herding cats in lfg?

[warm crag]

if your pug can kill first boss you can kill 2nd aswell

[vestal root]

I have no issues its that people want you to orange parse for a shitter boss

[indigo arch]

o

rip

I hate how RNG vora pad is

[warm crag]

i mean not really

[indigo arch]

sometimes you get godly add spawns to odyn etc into

somethings you get fuckall

[warm crag]

my parses are shite and im getting into pugs that clear salhadaar shrug

[vestal root]

I barely got into a chimaerus group for a kill and i had to wait 1h of people not interrupting to get a kill

[warm crag]

well thats not a parse issue thats an issue of pugging

[vestal root]

I know

[warm crag]

if you want good pugs you join some boosting server or join some friends in a coordinated pug

[vestal root]

But people think some insane parse = mechanical knowledge 😂

[indigo arch]

grug make spin into many nameplate

grug is tactician

https://tenor.com/view/dented-head-head-smile-gif-12205170

[vestal root]

My ass group that killed m chima cleared meanwhile CE ONLY CHECKING LOGS groups that declined me were still in lfg

[worthy yarrow]

yo whats the best crafted for fury

blood knights warblade or impetus?

[indigo arch]

2h with hunt-arcanoweave lining wrist-arcanoweave lining cloak

warblade

[worthy yarrow]

ty

garf_sit

[polar narwhal]

It doesn't matter which 2-hand you craft, as long as it has Strength. Warblade is the most popular because the Specialization path unlocks three recipes rather than one for other paths.

[kind bolt]

why is rend not a st ability now that we can apply it with whirlwind and thunder clap

[onyx belfry]

quick question how should i sim as fury 1 target 5 min or should i do more ß

[burnt oxide]

There is the slight chance you dont use improved whirlwind on pure st bosses later

Or you dont take clap in arms

[fading bane]

There is absolutely 0% chance you play improved whilrwind on a pure ST boss

[lean haven]

Is Fury still decent in M+? Still old clap-rampage strat in big aoes?

Like for 12.0.5, they said something about clap nerf, from 50% to 10% (wtf?)

[strange drift]

Yeah i mean i've only done till 3200 rating purely playing fury problem is getting into a comp that wants you

[lean haven]

nah, 3200 isnt a problem, if u have a comp alrdy. The question about 17 and h keys. Like isnt arms perform just better.

[strange drift]

oh then absolutely go arms

[lean haven]

And like, not just for a slite number, but huge better

I love fury though:D Bring back a big bursty aoe, like we had in Dragonflight !

[fading bane]

this change didnt go through

[lean haven]

y, i was wonder, lf that number inside Thane tree

[strange drift]

from what i heard and seen most top pushers play arms so it has to be better but if u arent going to mdi i dont think u should worry lol

there's this thing called : playing what you like

[uneven path]

No thank you, I rather have our insane aoe sustain DMG like in tww s3

[strange drift]

blender warrior was fun

[lean haven]

ah, y

havent play alot tww. but heared stories

[warm crag]

Ew

[kind bolt]

increase its dmg a bit to compensate

as for arms well

[burnt oxide]

What is the point?

Make it st, buff its damage and then it is still mt

[kind bolt]

to easier use rampaging ruin build in m+

[burnt oxide]

Why tho

[kind bolt]

if it takes a whirlwind stack it will be easier to fix accidental whirlwinds

[burnt oxide]

What are accidental whirlwinds

You can use a macro to remove the ww buff

If needed

[kind bolt]

when you whirlwind but theres 1 target so u cannot rampage cuz it will aoe

yeah but thats unofficial

[burnt oxide]

Then press rend instead of whirlwind?

[kind bolt]

it has a cd

[burnt oxide]

Would have it st aswell

[kind bolt]

but would take the stack off ww so worth

[burnt oxide]

Just use any other st ability

If you dont just want to /cancelaura improved whirlwind

[vestal root]

you guys talking about rampaging ruin?

[burnt oxide]

Ye, but the Argument is, if rend would be st it would make it better to manage RR???

[vestal root]

rend was st and it sucked

RR is a shit talent

it makes the gameplay loop from fury ass

just gotta get removed or replaced by somethin else

[burnt oxide]

It could stay if there was any logic besides replacing the hit completely for a flat aoe damage thing

Why not keeping the targeted rampage and add the aoe to it but ignoring the initial target

[vestal root]

weird coding

[burnt oxide]

Thats what i figured

And actually not really

[vestal root]

im fine with rampage and everything working the way it does atm, its how fury should be, but i do feel we lack that oomph in aoe

[burnt oxide]

The rampage itself just triggers a shockwave around it on each hit, there are enough things that can already do it

[kind bolt]

yeah replace it its annoying having to play the cone game

[vivid pollen]

do people actually play that talent?

[burnt oxide]

No

It can be better as slayer with high target count

But kinda

My dream replacement: rampaging ruin consuming the whirlwind stacks and deals more damage based on it

[kind bolt]

so just ww rmpg?

[potent thicket]

any new changes or MT is still king?

[kind bolt]

very zug not b ad

[burnt oxide]

Most likely, should not be to high per stacks consumed tho, should not be the playstyle in st

It could add a cooldown to whirlwind to counterbalance that, but that would be kinda lame

[vivid pollen]

ehhh idk, means you are just pressing the same thing as you are as thane

clap-bt or clap-rampage

ww also just feels so bad to press

[burnt oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-johnson-noodles-gif-25332413

Thats what whirlwind feels like

[vivid pollen]

for real

I'm okay with ww doing dogshit dmg though

making the damage come from those other abilities makes it distinct from thane

I like the idea of you being able to dump all of your ww stacks in one big hit, but maybe it needs some kind of cd

like rampaging ruin can proc once every 20s or something

[potent thicket]

any new changes to build or same?

[burnt oxide]

Add this point, just make it an active ability, would make it hard to track otherwise

[candid falcon]

Tbh if there was an aoe button, something like that ST button we had back in Dragonflight, and it could eat all your WW stacks, that could be good

[vast token]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gif-2665742826959095609

Have a good day rend enjoyers

[burnt oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/gohine-hohino-no-hohineee-gohineee-gif-17792172174678204487

[vivid pollen]

bring back onslaught, make it use all of your ww stacks

done

[vast token]

https://tenor.com/view/pipe-down-pipe-down-princess-princess-shush-shut-up-gif-8073721691988377758

[odd crater]

On L’ura do you hold CD’s for adds in Phase 1, or just send em

[burnt oxide]

I hold if it is like 10s

As long as of connects

[odd crater]

Definitely longer than that. I tried just using them on CD and I end up with like, 20sec left on CD when adds pop. So would be holding for closer to a minute

[burnt oxide]

Then it kinda depends how fast the shield adds before are jnterupted

No point in using cds while they are up

[odd crater]

Does L’ura not take any damage during shield phase or a reduction or something? Shields have been going down pretty fast so I may have missed that if so

[toxic jewel]

so after almost 60 dungeons, i've yet to get a catalyst charge on my dk, meanwhile i've spent 5 cata charages on the warrior for tmog purposes and am capped on charges

[odd crater]

Also did they refund voidcores yet? Didn’t get a chance to play yesterday

[odd crater]

Good to know. Totally did miss that.

[burnt oxide]

Guildie got them back

[odd crater]

Now to save them for Gaze instead of trying to get a myth offhand and instead getting garbage. Thanks for the info my dude

[burnt oxide]

Myth offhand is bait

[odd crater]

Good to know.

[vestal root]

but muh myth offhand

[jagged socket]

if already have myth and crafted weps, does it matter what slot either go into?

[vestal root]

myth in mainhand for more weapon dmg

[warm crag]

higher ilvl in mainhand always

[jagged socket]

ty ty i figured so but appreciate the confirmation

[vestal root]

idk what to roll for next week i guess myth offhand or boots or something

sims are telling me mastery is bait

[odd crater]

I also hate that after finally trying Thane, how much better it is than Slayer. Big sad

[vestal root]

idk i like both

[odd crater]

Avatar feels so lame to use compared to Bladestorm

[vestal root]

true but i like stomping

audio is nice on thunderblast

heavy

its just that on slayer if you win gamba with reaps and SD on aoe it feels so nice

spiiiiiin

[odd crater]

You know what, maybe I do just keep playing Slayer. The vibes are better

[uneven path]

Managed to outdps demo and frost mage on first pull in seat thx to isnane gamba

[odd crater]

Pics or didn’t happen

[uneven path]

Ask blizzard why the dps meter is sooo fucking ass

[vestal root]

you also seem like a real good player laazy that helps too

[vestal root]

idk its been buggy as fuck recently

[uneven path]

[vestal root]

whole game is a bugfest

[uneven path]

But the gamba on SD is insane

[vestal root]

ive hit good gamba on AA yday on first big pull holy shit

BIG

and then i went to my ret pala alt and cried

[odd crater]

I can’t sim rn but Gaze > Heart, right? I’m rockin Plume/Crucible rn, need to get a replacement for Crucible

[vestal root]

because 30 less ilvl it pumps

[uneven path]

Yeh if the gamaba is on your side, you push some insane dps

[vestal root]

yeah technically but depends on your trinkets and setup

sims really value crit atm

especially since i put the crit % enchants on rings now

[odd crater]

I’m heavy on mastery rn, but still hitting 20% haste

[vestal root]

i only hit 1k mastery with flask

but game is telling me not to get any more haste mastery items

[odd crater]

Man i’m 1k mastery natty and it still wants more

[vestal root]

i got catalysted belt and boots and atm they outperform any other dungeon choice

[uneven path]

Ah I see fellow haste enjoyer

[vestal root]

i thought MT boots would be bis but nope sim says its dps loss

[vestal root]

myth heart of wind baby

[dense elbow]

what if you get paid 32million gold to swap it for a LFR boss?

[uneven path]

Yeh for me that thing is better then hunger

[odd crater]

Hmm I wonder if Myth Heart of Wind is worth me using voidcores for. Idk how puggable Myth Dreamrift/Voracious is

[vestal root]

i pugged dreamrift mythic its not hard at all only hard part is getting into a group

[warm crag]

what if

[indigo arch]

Both puggable

[warm crag]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/339461745682939904/1489669174232875118/1748847728502585a.gif

[vestal root]

i didnt pug voidspire yet nobody wants me

[indigo arch]

m dreamrift is tuned more like a heroic fight

[dense elbow]

It is basically an old season HC boss

[uneven path]

Cuz it proc more often plus the proc doesn't diminish over time

[vestal root]

haste just goated

[uneven path]

Heast is only way

[odd crater]

I didn’t play previous expansions, so idk how that compares. But I’ll spam every group and hope for an invite

[dense elbow]

It is super ez

dont worry about it

Just tunnel boss, let ranged handle adds (as they will die before you can get to em) and then pat yourself on the back for being a team player

[odd crater]

What about Voracious? Also ez to pug?

[dense elbow]

That is the tic tac toe boss?

No, that is godzilla

[odd crater]

Nope Godzilla wannabe

[dense elbow]

ye godzilla is free too

[odd crater]

Good to know. Now to fight invite boss and pray

[vestal root]

just dont kill others in spirit realm, interrupt closest caster add, gg

invites and groups staying together is harder than the fight

play slayer because they wont let you pad on adds

[uneven path]

Or just get guild that does some M progress

[vestal root]

[odd crater]

We’re starting mythic next week but I don’t wanna wait

Got too much IRL haste

[uneven path]

And you would miss one roll on gaze

I am going for Gaze next week for sure

[odd crater]

Options were “keep doing L’ura and argue about if it’s a triangle or a G for symbols”, or “Cut some people and start Mythic”

[uneven path]

Mythic

The first two in void spire and dream rift is easier then Lura

[odd crater]

But muh AOTC

[uneven path]

Who needs AOTC when you can have M gaze

[odd crater]

I am prepared to roll a 1, and get something else from my voidcores.

[short pivot]

Hi Guys im a retunring player to midnight
may i ask whats the best addon to track my Enrage uptime and rage since weakaura is disabled now

[odd crater]

I’ve just been using the in game cooldown manager for enrage personally.

[uneven path]

btw if I were to use this on my M track head, would I be able to use the pvp socket thingie given that my head is without socket ?

[fiery edge]

How’s ur exp with slury

[spare steppe]

Mythic chimmy isn’t as easy to pug, lot of terrible groups out there

[uneven path]

I managed to do 17 rezi and some 18s as slury

[fiery edge]

Yuge, how was it

[uneven path]

More fun then MT

[fiery edge]

Fax

[uneven path]

Just Slury is turbo gamba

[odd crater]

Gamba is a lifestyle. It’s why I also death roll in raid

[uneven path]

Tried playing around with this

[normal forge]

I still dont know which one i prefer between arms and fury in M+ and raids

[uneven path]

Its kinda good

for slury cuz it makes you proc more SDs

But you have to play RB which.... is not good

Not good at all

[fiery edge]

OH

[odd crater]

2 weapons vs 1 weapon, 2>1, therefor Fury

[fiery edge]

Nvm i hate mid blow

[fading sky]

i mean this playstyle should be the style for slayer

[normal forge]

Why didnt i think of that

[fading sky]

like theres no discussion

and it should make it better in ST

easily but sadly RB is tuned like a shitty button

[uneven path]

Yeh

RB would need a lot dmg

*buffs

[dense elbow]

A lot of dam to do what?

[odd crater]

Raging Blow more like I’m Enraged that it Blows

[dense elbow]

RB is only what, a 3% down, from BT build atm

[uneven path]

Felt more

But my rotation was all over the place

[dense elbow]

Hmm, kinda scary buffing RB tho

will make Reck window ramp spam not work

[fading sky]

nah

just buff ramp as well

issue solved

[dense elbow]

Nah, then we just move the profile around

[fading sky]

not like fury cant take the buff ????? 😄

[odd crater]

I like the way this guy thinks

[dense elbow]

making things hit

[uneven path]

Ramp still has the upper hand of

[fading sky]

ramp also resets RB so like hmm

[uneven path]

giving haste, spending rage, givin % str and procing reap

[worthy yarrow]

i cant get into a group

[dense elbow]

Point is, we will reach the point where CB goes over ramp, just no

[worthy yarrow]

they hate rogues

[fading sky]

well m8

its more

[odd crater]

You know what, they should just buff Recklessness.

[fading sky]

u need few melee in gen in a pug ( ppl are pretty choosy)

so it goes to DH or dk for grips

[fading sky]

i mean 100% buff CB and BB

more burst = more fun

id take that ANYday

[uneven path]

I think it would have to be heavily buffed for that to be the case

[fading sky]

a BIT of a spike in dmg

[dense elbow]

I mean, they could buff us by increaning the amount of apex stacks we get on the press of reck, sure

[fading sky]

ah, RAMP just need to be the choice to never overcap

if overcapping is good something is up

[odd crater]

Buff us by making our melee distance farther.

[fading sky]

as in its better to spam CB at 130 than ramp

[fading sky]

sadly wouldnt fix anything in raid

we do dog shit dmg 😛

[dense elbow]

Honestly, I just want Reck window for slayer to be SD, Ramp, whatever

If it becomes CB, SD, Ramp

it is dead

[uneven path]

I second that

[dense elbow]

We just got rid of BT and BB, dont bring that back :<

[odd crater]

So funny enough, all of my guilds warriors are some of our top damage dealers. Frost Mage is still top tho

But that says more about my guild

[spare steppe]

Warriors are inherently more skillful

[dense elbow]

Tiny fish feels big in a glass bowl filled with shrimps

[spare steppe]

It’s our greatest strength

[odd crater]

Same reason I only look at Boss Damage parses now

[uneven path]

@dense elbow but buffing RB would make us press ramp w/e possible in reck

Cuz now we avoid it to avoid pressing RB as much as possible

[dense elbow]

Hm?

I dont want us to press RB in that window

[uneven path]

But if the RB becomes some what ok button ?

[dense elbow]

It already kinda is, just give it a tiny buff, move it up that 3% gap

and its fine

You can do that, btw

by this:

Buffing auto attack dam

[odd crater]

I just want Reap back on single target.

[dense elbow]

Solves ST being bad

solves RB not being used

AA dam up solves a lot of things

[uneven path]

tbh I am thinking of droping this in RB build

[odd crater]

Nope, we shall get more bleeds instead

[vestal root]

what did i miss

[uneven path]

Something like this maybe ?

[dense elbow]

Nothing of importance, that is for sure

No ER? Failed build

[uneven path]

Well I am washed

[odd crater]

Skip ER, make healers do their job. Ez

[vestal root]

ER is so healers can be lazy

[dense elbow]

One day we gonna take our center point tho, and it wont be a pure meme talent

[vestal root]

they are already semi afk this season

[dense elbow]

one day my love

one day

[uneven path]

xdd

[spare steppe]

What’s that one

[odd crater]

Semi? You got some good healers

[uneven path]

That pice of shit

[vestal root]

its just a skill from gw2 warrior and it blows

pvp talent

[uneven path]

Not even pvp

Still amazed that thing made it to live

[odd crater]

I think that talent has saved me like, twice in PvP

[vestal root]

that talent should be baseline warrior and auto include

[burnt oxide]

why have good cheat death if you can have useless one

[uneven path]

I think this talent rivals SMF in being number one dog shit talent we had

[spare steppe]

I want banners

[vestal root]

same

[burnt oxide]

playing mop rn, no you dont

[vestal root]

ok

i want cool banners

[uneven path]

As some wise warrior once said "you don't"

[odd crater]

Can voidcore items roll leech/speed, or nah

[vestal root]

ii think so

[uneven path]

Here cool banner for you

[burnt oxide]

does the loot protection protect me from items i already have or only from ones i already rolled?

[vestal root]

oooouuugh i made my own pizza dough im so full ooouuuuuugh my warrior belly is full oouuuugh

[vestal root]

what you rolled from hotfix

[spare steppe]

Why wouldn’t I? Banners are cool

And then I can start spinning

And making clones

[odd crater]

I just want Reap changed so I can proc it on single target. How many sacrifices do I need to make?

[burnt oxide]

omw rolling gaze and already having it

[fiery edge]

your whole bloodline

[dense elbow]

The Val'Kyr checking your worth

[vestal root]

speaking of banners this gw2 loading screen lives rent free in my head for 10 years now

[dense elbow]

All fun and games, till someone brings a gun

pow

[odd crater]

For vault is it possible to roll Gaze and shit as Myth even if I haven’t downed Myth chim? Is potential items gated like that, or am I crazy

[burnt oxide]

you cant

[dense elbow]

Also, those kinda give me offbrand Chaos Warrior look

[fiery edge]

i find it weird that berserker is more of a dot build

[vestal root]

no only vault levels get rolled

[burnt oxide]

you have to kill the bosses to unlock them in vault

on their difficulty

[vestal root]

used to be the case its both now

[burnt oxide]

you also unlock all previous bosses if apply

[vestal root]

but setting enemies on fire and bleeding them to death is also badass

[odd crater]

Okay that’s what I thought, thanks Xsage for confirming I’m not crazy

[uneven path]

More complex power system you have, the better it is when someone brings gun and just destroys it

[spare steppe]

I see it now! Yeah dunno why they put an awesome pvp talent as an actual talent

[odd crater]

Do Apex Caches only reward Vet items or is my luck total shit

[spare steppe]

Just make it a pvp talent or baseline

[dense elbow]

I can create a rock and throw at you with magic! BEHOLD THE POWER OF TEN THOUSAND YEA...

dies

Gun wins again

[vestal root]

ok but look at it this way

fist cooler

many games are proof of that

[dense elbow]

BEHOLD THE PO.. OWH OWH! STOP STOP! STOP!

[vestal root]

why shoot and make smol hole in someone when you can literally disintegrate their body with a heavy punch

or a slam with a hammer

[dense elbow]

Cause gun faster

point and click is hard to beat

[odd crater]

Melee is more visceral therefor better

[vestal root]

real

if you played monster hunter oyu know

[lusty jungle]

Oh yeah? What is your gun going to do against the wrath of my fury

[dense elbow]

Gott bring that chainsword into combat

[vestal root]

melee>gun

space marine 2 you can rip an enemy in half with a chainsword

[spare steppe]

Not sure how they balance ranged vs melee besides more ranged mechanics

[dense elbow]

Simple

[vestal root]

they dont

ranged is meta

[dense elbow]

Armor