fury

[fading sky]

Polearm has an agi u can choose by mistake

😅

[sour thicket]

ah okay. thats good to know

Thanks!

[fading sky]

Sword is safe

[sour thicket]

and another thing: what missive would you use in that case if want to use in both spec?

[supple glen]

you can recraft stuff

feelcrafting tells me crit haste prob good compromise but you should sim

did they make prey more annoying?

[robust viper]

Traps spawn slower I think?

[supple glen]

cant zoom out as much

less traps

idk

feels so bad

[round cypress]

So bois. Being in a group of friends where our tank never meets up with a good route. Will rarely pull mobs into boss. Has downtime between packs. Its hard to be colossus. How much better do you reckon fury would be in my position?

[fading sky]

Enuff

To play it

Col will frustrate u 100%

[honest trail]

I tried asking a tank friend to perma chain pulls yesterday

Gained 40k overall dps compared to usual

I need that more often

[next mica]

if ur raiding mythic do you just send all ur rerolls on bis m+ stuff?

dont have m trinkets yet but we have the bosses on farm

[astral path]

anyone hear anything about PMscore

new mythic+ scoring method worth lookin into?

[warm crag]

If you care about optimizing your guilds gearing process you may wanna roll smth like chimaerus to optimize who gazes and similar items can go to so Look at what your guild needs

If youre selfish run a few droptimizer Sims and figure out what your best avg expected gain is

For me both align to just roll on chimaerus but ymmv

[vast token]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gif-2665742826959095609

GM Rend enjoyers, I hope you all press rend today

[burnt oxide]

Only single target

Talentchange helped

[vast token]

Your trinkets have a 100% chance to proc regardless of cooldown if you press rend. The more you know.

[delicate rock]

blue post in 6 hours

[jolly ridge]

what blue post

please suprise me is it more nerfs to ffry?

[delicate rock]

yes, our st was a bit to strong

[jolly ridge]

knew it

as long we are beating healers in dps , we will keep getting nurfed

[spare steppe]

Good morning, I’ll keep blasting 🙂

[tiny seal]

Another nerf

[delicate rock]

https://giphy.com/gifs/dog-naughty-evil-smile-vNTIkYpoAUb22FhsVr

[jolly ridge]

how do you know it will be a blue post

[novel rivet]

my uncle works at blizzard

[delicate rock]

my dad is actually ion, dont worry

[edgy oasis]

Just done a 14 plus 1 as tank(cant get groups on fury) And my key didnt upgrade? It was a resi key?

[restive fiber]

another one in ur grp put the key

[edgy oasis]

OMFG

wankers

[honest trail]

Lmao

[spare steppe]

LOL

[earnest stratus]

At how many sockets is the crit metasocket gem better than the full mainstat one? Dont say sim it,

[random shadow]

Sim it

[pallid brook]

defo sim it

[fiery hare]

Simulationcraft it

[frank dawn]

Hey guys this is a complicated math question I’d like you tell me the answer to without using any complicated math

It just don’t work that way

[spare steppe]

It’s not

It probably will be in s3 once we have so many secondary stats

[clever iron]

so many season the first pulls where u take 15mob pulls has been so enjoyable as a fury warrior so many season in a row now where u just see other classes sky rocketin on dmg meter and the OP warrior always staying behind

[earnest stratus]

The hope was that someone has already done the math and knows the answer

Idea is to not be an as*hole, if you dont want to answer dont say anything

[spare steppe]

lol

You asked a silly question tbh

Everyone is different

[novel rivet]

I'd assume the rest of the gear varies the results so much it's impossible to answer without simming your specific character

[granite crown]

Which applies to almost all similar questions, which is why the answer often becomes the same

[fiery hare]

99.9999% of the gear questions are literally sim it

[spare steppe]

With the exception of “should I use gaze”

[fiery hare]

Answer is always yes haha

Hc gaze being better that box+ any other 2nd m+ trinks on myth put together is hilarious

[spare steppe]

Yup and thats basically the only valid gear question we can help with that isn’t sim or vibes

[next mica]

is slayer noticeably better in ST now?

[fiery hare]

Njet

It got small st nerf so both are pretty close

[bright ledge]

Well nice run can’t get an invite past 3400io so I’m quitting warrior for Druid tank I’ll come back when warrior get lust or brez :) ❤️

[fiery hare]

See u in wow2

[lusty jungle]

theres brez on AH for like 400g

[crimson bay]

What you think the odds are of a post today with the headline "huge fury buffs"

[strong monolith]

Hey guys is thane getting nerfed still

[jagged socket]

no

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[strong monolith]

everytime

See ya tomorrow

[jagged socket]

see you king

[stoic loom]

Yes

[dense elbow]

Should I use gaze?

[pallid brook]

dont gaze is awful

[spare steppe]

No give it to me

[pallid brook]

no mail it to me instead

so i can have 2

[spare steppe]

One of my m+ buddies had the audacity to flex his mythic gaze with avoidance

[pallid brook]

im just happy i have the hc version

[spare steppe]

I have nothing 🙃

[pallid brook]

shieeee

[dense elbow]

Ok, I no get gaze

Phew, saved some bonus rolls there

[fading sky]

just remember to spec prot

for gaze roll

i did that, i was rewarded

with feet

i did on my dk. i was rewarded with chest ( which i allready had yay me )

[chilly fractal]

Our Vengeance DH bonus rolled the trinket you can’t get if you loot spec Vengeance… I gave him so much shit

[fading bane]

Cant wait to roll 4 more times for puzzle box on hunter + monk

[vestal root]

Some guys are into that

[vestal root]

Not me though

I prefer hooves

😏

[odd crater]

https://tenor.com/view/world-of-warcraft-dancing-wow-dancing-blizzard-games-peanut-butter-jelly-time-dj-chipman-gif-27496435

[vestal root]

No not those bro wtf

[royal jasper]

Is it worth using bonus roll for gaze on heroic ?

[vestal root]

If you wont do mythic and its a bigger upgrade than myth gear from dungeons

[vestal root]

Mooo

[dense elbow]

I will judge your taste

[valid pulsar]

i killed this asshat with randoms before i killed it with guild so you might want to try that instead

if you set your loot spec to prot its jus 3 items boots, chest and the gaze

[vestal root]

Do loot specs mess with duplicates?

Like if you go one week with arms then another with fury it resets

[echo rapids]

In theory no but who the heck knows

[vestal root]

Yeah true

Its blizzard

[echo rapids]

Depends on how AI coded it

[dense elbow]

I expect getting a duplicate next week, with a message pop up going:
"Fuck you"

[vestal root]

[tiny seal]

https://tenor.com/view/warrior-blizzard-wow-classic-push-hank-hill-gif-27417019

[proud vine]

Next season bro

[odd crater]

https://tenor.com/view/dam-dak-prescott-you-right-gif-14277211031365571742

[young gull]

Hey everyone good morning! I just have a question regarding a solid and "up to date" patch 12.05 resource for talent builds for Fury Warrior in terms of PVE Mythic+ and PVE Raid builds.

If anyone could help, I am really struggling to find some up to date guides. Thanks very much for all the help.

[odd crater]

Wowhead is up to date, the date stamps just not updated

[void yoke]

Alright all you big, strong warriors. I have a question. How long do I hold Odyn's Fury for preferential moments?

Meaning, if my Odyn's Fury comes available 3 seconds before Orbs (on Dragons/Saladbar) come out, that seems like a no brainer to hold for Orbs. If Odyn's Fury comes available and there's 10 seconds before Orbs come out, is it worth holding? OF is highest prio ability, plus the Rampage CD reduction also suggests to send it, but it feels bad. What's a good timing cutoff, if anyone can suggest?

[odd crater]

I just send Odyn’s on CD personally

But I save bigger CD’s

[wise cave]

OF on CD, BS/Ava/Reck on best windows.

[echo rapids]

OF does good burst aoe especially against high mob counts. I’d hold it for 10+ seconds if orbs or something is coming out

But that’s really more about getting a good parse

[drowsy heron]

^

[young gull]

Ok good to know

Thanks guys for the feedback

I just saw the February time stamps on wowhead and was like meh

[merry lotus]

It’s basically if you want to pad or not if you hold your cds

[edgy oasis]

After CD's most use TB. I prefer BB as it buffs the dots through Bloodborne - so i get at least another GCD of 20% dot increase

[olive wraith]

Wouldn’t that waste tb procs

[graceful mural]

shibal putain de merde ca va blizzard inshallah when will it be my turn to be happy

[edgy oasis]

yes technically but 1 GCD - chance of getting a TB proc?

[olive wraith]

Really just an optimization thing

Potentially 2less seconds of avatar

Etc

[dry zephyr]

Quick question: I got pants and ring via bonus rolls in Magister's Terrace with Fury loot spec. If I swap to Prot and keep rolling in there will I still not get dupes?

[vestal root]

no idea

[dry zephyr]

I guess no one will know for sure yet

[opaque wave]

where are you guys using your bonus rolls^

[vestal root]

used on mythic chimaerus got gaze

[olive wraith]

Run a droptimizer sim for your best options

[dry zephyr]

im not in a myth raiding guild so I sent it in Magister's

[vestal root]

im not either i pugged it

[dry zephyr]

fair point, I'll look into that next week

[nova vessel]

im currently using it on npx since i lost my guild chim kill

[opaque wave]

thanks guys

[pallid brook]

unlucky

[fickle vector]

If I use my bonus roll in heroic dream rift this week will it drop as myth level track? Hoping to get alnseer

Or will it be hero track?

[meager lion]

Hero

[fickle vector]

Still better than what I got thanks for info!!

[meager lion]

🫡

[warm crag]

myth chimaerus is very puggable @fickle vector

[dense elbow]

Can confirm, it is like a HC boss kill

[warm crag]

even funky can do it

[dense elbow]

I was promised in and out, 5 min adventure, it wasnt a lie

[jovial mauve]

any of ya'll enjoying slayer in m+ after changes or still running thane?

[dense elbow]

I enjoy slayer a lot

More dam in the space where I want, no clunk, only smooth gameplay

[jovial mauve]

Ye, I did a few earlier in the week and didnt feel like a handicap so I'll take it as a win

[dense elbow]

Just give Slayer Fury a ST bump, and a solid one, to make up for our sustained AoE lack - we gaming

[jovial mauve]

next season surely

[fickle vector]

Oh hott tip thanks

[frank dawn]

I do like how Slayer plays, but tuning wise it feels pretty useless

surely tuning notes today

[dense elbow]

[jovial mauve]

they can just buff our SD proc rate and it would help so much. More executes, more BS, more reap

[dense elbow]

That would increase sustained AoE tho

Not a good solution

Goal is not to push on Thane's niche, of sustained long lasting CDs and AoE pressure

[jovial mauve]

we're not high enough in sustained AoE that it would damage the identity you like. Would just be a numbers up across all board which we need

like we're bottom half in every regard in slayer no?

AoE and ST can use boosts

[dense elbow]

I would say buffing the talent that improves Exe/RB damage to be better

Bump it up 15-30%

[jovial mauve]

you can boost ST and AoE for slayer and still be safe of it not being overperforming

[dense elbow]

Yeah, sure, but that is not the direction Slayer is being moved

[jovial mauve]

what direction is slayer being moved lol, didnt we just get a ST nerf

[dense elbow]

more focus into ST dam and reck window, for a more bursty high dam feel

ST?

brain plz

BS

[echo rapids]

Bring back the talent that gave a fat Rampage after BS, slaughtering strikes?

[frank dawn]

I feel like all fury specs need a not small bump lol. Sure let Thane lean more into AoE and Slayer into ST if the devs want, but I feel like there is plenty of justification that all versions of the spec just need to do more damage in any situation

[jovial mauve]

this

[dense elbow]

If we just want to move overall up, aura buff is what you should ask for

[jovial mauve]

it's not like fury is performing well anyways, you can bump all aspects of the class right now

Aura buff?

[dense elbow]

Aura buff

[jovial mauve]

battle shout?

[dense elbow]

It means just increasing all damage

3% aura buff, means increasing all damage by 3%

[jovial mauve]

never heard of that being referred to as aura

[smoky nacelle]

wtf we're not pallys

[dense elbow]

SL, we had aura for days

[jovial mauve]

but just increasing flat damage doesn't seem to help much, this expac we're just not performing highly in any areas

[smoky nacelle]

give me war banner back that was cool

[echo rapids]

IWW % down to like 50%, 20-30% buffs to ramp/execute/BT, done

[dense elbow]

If you just want dam to go up, and not touch the dam profile

aura buffs are the way

[echo rapids]

Bandaid fix but would let us finish tier well

[echo rapids]

We would need like a 15% aura buff and it’s not happening

[jovial mauve]

the dam profile needs changing too no? What about our kit is performing well that just needs number adjusting

[dense elbow]

15%? we aint 15% behind

I gonna check logs, holey, 15%?

[jovial mauve]

I don't think just a flat damage buff is the reason we're down here with the classes with major bug issues

[dense elbow]

15% would put us just under Dev DH, nah - that doesnt seem fine

15% pure ST dam tho, would be fine

would move us up to arms

[frank dawn]

I mean our kits work pretty well in M+, we are just poorly tuned. This raid is designed like ass for us because our boss damage is worthless and after 1 week everything was just burst aoe damage for pad - which we don't have

and the back bosses are all designed pretty poorly for melee in general

[dense elbow]

Noone is disagreeing with that

kinda preaching to the choir

[olive wraith]

Yes buff rb/exec, nerf iww

Should be that simple

[frank dawn]

yeah someone up there said our kit wasn't good or something

[dense elbow]

what, no

plz

dont start it

I dont want to hear it

"warrior needs heroism"

[vast token]

Unholy being bottom dps is crazy work tbh.

[jovial mauve]

unholy has some bugs going on I thought

[olive wraith]

It’s just bugged

Afaik

[echo rapids]

10% aura puts us middle of the pack

[jovial mauve]

but we're not bugged and around the same damage profile xd

[olive wraith]

Ya our st is stinky

[dense elbow]

5-10% aura seems fine, then another tiny buff if still needed the week after.

If we gonna aura

[jovial mauve]

Like I said, I think a SD buff would help in all aspects no?

[dense elbow]

Exe dam up is SD buff

[olive wraith]

^

Exe/rb+
iww-

Simple

[jovial mauve]

what lever do you not like about SD proccing more often?

[olive wraith]

Crowds gcd if it’s always available

[dense elbow]

It causes the TWWS3 problem, where reap becomes our dam profile

[olive wraith]

More damage is the better option imo

[dense elbow]

I like where our dam profile is going, I dont want to go back to reap being the only thing that matters

[jovial mauve]

does the gcd really feel crowded? We're just rampaging or BTing right now, everything else is filler

[echo rapids]

Bigger reaps exacerbate our RNG issue

[olive wraith]

Well ideally rb would also be a better button

Cb during rek windows crowds the gcd

[dense elbow]

Good thing noone is asking for bigger reaps

[jovial mauve]

well RB has literally just been a proc machine for the last 2 expacs

[olive wraith]

No

[echo rapids]

Oh bigger executes

[olive wraith]

Ya higher damage on exe itself

[jovial mauve]

I want bigger reaps but I know ya'll hate AoE slayer

[remote haven]

Psst well get nerfed in ST again

[dense elbow]

Can confirm, so many ST nerfs, again

[olive wraith]

Its not that we hate aoe slayer

It’s that we dislike reap being the aoe tool

[dense elbow]

^

[vestal root]

i hate warrior

[jovial mauve]

What would be the aoe tool

and please dont say rend

[dense elbow]

Currently it is fine as is

BS could get a bump, and more exe dam is also more AoE dam

[vestal root]

no that should be removed instead

[olive wraith]

Of/bs/rend/ hell even Ww does pretty solid over the course of a key

[jovial mauve]

I don't even like OF right now

[dense elbow]

OF buffs coming after this tierset ends

[olive wraith]

The issue with reap is rng. Sd reap is good since it’s guaranteed. And ramp reap is a nice little bonus when it procs. But a lot of the aoe can come from other places

[jovial mauve]

Maybe if they added IWW to it again so it didnt feel so weird to use at times

[echo rapids]

12.1, slayer ST fixed, bad aoe again 😂

[dense elbow]

I will take it

[vast token]

I heard the next adjustment warrior is getting is:
●Warrior holds a 3rd weapon (with their third arm)
●Does 5% less damage

[dense elbow]

Others can carry silly AoE, I will kill prio targets and bosses

[vestal root]

[dense elbow]

Nooooo, the edit made it worse

[olive wraith]

Give slayer funnel

[dense elbow]

ehhhm

that is dangerous

I rather not

[vast token]

RIP that was a banger message banned by automod

[jovial mauve]

I want to be useful for more than 1 or 2 fights in a tier 🥲

[olive wraith]

Then what you want is st

[vast token]

●Casting Rend automatically summons a chair for you to sit in and watch your raid do the fight for you

[dense elbow]

Execute dam, means more ST, also more execute phase dam = More value that you bring for the team

[jovial mauve]

I dont mind high ST if fights are designed around ST

most have had multiple cleave phases

[olive wraith]

Good news

[jovial mauve]

recently

[olive wraith]

Fury is really good at doing aoe without dropping much st

[candid sorrel]

But our ST is also the worst, plenty of people kill adds

[jovial mauve]

I mean if we're targeting AoE nerfs to bring up ST we wont be lol

[dense elbow]

AoE nerfs?

I dont know where this convo has gone anymore

[jovial mauve]

all of the suggestions have been nerf IWW and buff ST

[olive wraith]

The main aoe in a raid encounter woukd be iww

[dense elbow]

Where did AoE nerfs come in

[olive wraith]

Well yes

[echo rapids]

I suggested shaving off some percent of IWW

[dense elbow]

Madlad

[olive wraith]

It’s the most natural balancing mechanism

[echo rapids]

It won’t cripple our aoe

[dense elbow]

It would tho, dont touch that value

it is perfect

[vestal root]

how about buffing us without taking anything away

who would complain

nothing would break

[jovial mauve]

idk

[vestal root]

we dont have a niche anymore

[echo rapids]

It’s true

[jovial mauve]

it's not like we have utility

[dense elbow]

we do tho

[olive wraith]

Oh no

[vestal root]

the low cd big aoe niche is gone

[olive wraith]

U word dropped

[jovial mauve]

sorry sorry we have a small ms buff and a stun

mb

[echo rapids]

Hey I broke a fear on our M chimeras klll this week!

[dense elbow]

You are cute, ramma

[echo rapids]

We do have utility

😂

[vestal root]

[vast token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898720803586048/1400621957921374269/riparms.gif

[jovial mauve]

I mean where's the utility outside of that lol

[vast token]

Anyone got a fury version of this gif please and ty

[frank dawn]

this might be a hot take, but warrior is kinda of ridiculously self sufficient atm. LIke sure maybe we don't help the group that much, but we also require the least outside assistance of just about anyone when it comes to healing/mechanics

[dense elbow]

Take a look, and your mind will be opened

[vast token]

I'll also take a prot warr one.

[frank dawn]

as long as you aren't monkey brained and being a bad warrior and dying to everything

[jovial mauve]

I jut want to know what your definion of utility is

[olive wraith]

What’s yours

[jovial mauve]

something unqiue the class offers that would be a reason to get brought to groups outside of damage profiles

[echo rapids]

That’s fine, but there’s limited value to that

[olive wraith]

Pause

[frank dawn]

if we did good damage it would be more than enough value tho

age old argument, it' sjust warrior has usually not been tuned well

[echo rapids]

We would be DKs

[olive wraith]

Damage profile should be removed from that definition

[candid sorrel]

Fear break, shield break so much cc, an aoe speed, an aoe defensive

[olive wraith]

Spell reflect

[dense elbow]

[candid sorrel]

Hell, we even have a ranged silence now!

[echo rapids]

Let’s not speak of the glorious week we had with piercing howl

[olive wraith]

Twin

[dense elbow]

I was waiting for ya to type

[jovial mauve]

Wait huh, you guys are calling SR fury utility?

[jolly ridge]

when is blizzard planning on giving us back 2 more roll voides

[dense elbow]

Warrior Utility

but yeah

SR is broken good

[jovial mauve]

no one is bringing fury because of spell refelct

[olive wraith]

Why wouldn’t you consider it utility?

[jovial mauve]

because it's a defensive?

[candid sorrel]

So sad they increased the cd

[olive wraith]

You’ve never seen taunt mechs before

[echo rapids]

It theoretically lets you cheese mechanics but blizzard doesn’t want us doing that

[dense elbow]

You really dont play warrior much, if you see SR as "just a defensive"

[olive wraith]

You’ve never considered skipping the occasional boss mechanic

[jovial mauve]

I mean you're more than welcome to show me how SR is a great Fury utility tool

[olive wraith]

Sr lets you skip kicks

I’ve literally listed several

[frank dawn]

spell reflect is honestly an insane spell, not only does it allow you to skip entire mechanic applications at times. But it's one of the best defensive abilities in the game with how often you can use it

[echo rapids]

SR falls under the grip and immunity tier of utility, it’s just that it’s not often allowed to work

[dense elbow]

It breaks Lieutants wipe casts, stops cast orders, holey it is great for a short CD ability

[frank dawn]

yes it requires high awareness to get full advantage of, but that's fine

[jovial mauve]

which mechanics are you guys skipping with SR, I understand it being a strong defensive, but I've never had the conversation "our group is missing a SR we need a fury warrior"

[echo rapids]

Think it’s historically been more useful in keys than raid

[dense elbow]

Ramma, you got to accept that SR is part of our utility - and no, even with your mind of hyperfocusing on a thing to death - it aint the only thing we bring

You dont bring a paladin for only their HoF, yet it is great when it is useful

It is that level

[candid sorrel]

Id liken it to ams levels of util, rather than grip, but yes. Like, dks are brought because of grip, but ams does also let them skip mechs

[dense elbow]

The power of our kit is that we bring a bunch of just useful things. Especially cast disruption

[jovial mauve]

HoF have absolutely changed fights specially with 2 targets

[echo rapids]

DK grip has been a “maybe once a raid tier” level until this tier

[dense elbow]

And SR absolutely has changed fights too

[echo rapids]

When they decided it was gonna be great on several important fights

[dense elbow]

come on

I am done, you are just dishonest atm

[jovial mauve]

which ones?

[dense elbow]

Read up the example list already given

[echo rapids]

I think he’s focusing on raid

[jovial mauve]

you saying read doesn't give me an example lol

[candid sorrel]

I just came back in tww, so its been 50% so far between manaforge and now, vs goblins and spiders

[dense elbow]

Fair, if he is a pure raid only

I can see why he dont see value in our utility

[olive wraith]

Do you consider ams utility

[echo rapids]

Where SR is less utility and more a really good defensive

[jovial mauve]

yes, I'd equate it with our commanding shout for usefulness

[dense elbow]

Stuns also pointless

[echo rapids]

M+ utility is a different ball game

[olive wraith]

SR is kind of similar to ams

[dense elbow]

I mean, from raid pov, I kinda can see what he is going for

Dont think we ever had any good reflects in raid

[jovial mauve]

Sorry I'm thinking AMZ, AMS I would consider a defensive

[echo rapids]

Where we actually do have a great utility set, especially with stun DR changing

[dense elbow]

Not that I can remember

[olive wraith]

For raid we got battle should

Shout

One of the better raid buffs

[dense elbow]

Rally, Battle, fear break, ehm, kinda it

We do bring stopping power for Chimarius tho

[candid sorrel]

Ams lets you straight up skip mechanics

[olive wraith]

I think it does depend on if you mean keys or raid though

[jovial mauve]

Which mechanic has SR been able to skip lately? I've raided last expac and this one

[dense elbow]

He talking raid

keep that in mind lads

[olive wraith]

Then ya this

[echo rapids]

In raid, invulnerability is what is actually good

[dense elbow]

Not sure why we talking about our raid utility tho, seems very pointless of a dicussion

[olive wraith]

Which is a fair amount

[jovial mauve]

I can understand Rally and Battle shout. The majority of fear casts are usually interruptible, which if people are doing their jobs makes it less useful. PH movement buff is a small utility

[dense elbow]

The fearbreak is neat to have on Chimi pugs, that is for sure

[olive wraith]

Another question

[echo rapids]

Raid utility is pretty hit or miss

[olive wraith]

You mentioned why bring a class if it doesn’t have utility

Is that correct

[jovial mauve]

I said our damage doesnt make up for our lack of utility so why not just buff it harder instead of nerfing aspects to buff others

[olive wraith]

Damage is separate from utility

[dense elbow]

^

Alpha and Omega is dam

[jovial mauve]

Yes, but I could understand the 'design' of lower damage for more utility

even if I dont agree with it

[dense elbow]

They dont design like that tho

also we dont lack utility per ce

[jovial mauve]

they don't design much at all

[echo rapids]

Damage is balanced independently because raid utility isn’t a big consideration most of the time

[jovial mauve]

our ST is shit and our AoE isnt that competitive

[dense elbow]

They give it a lot more thought that we give them credit for

[olive wraith]

How many loks were in rwf

[echo rapids]

Outside of class buffs

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, Ramma, we all agree our ST is bad and needs some tuning

Our AoE profile is in question, but the AoE dam being weak part will be solved gradually with ST buffs, just how Fury works

[echo rapids]

But class buffs are a crutch to ensure diverse raid comps since blizzard will never balance damage well enough

[dense elbow]

SL flashbacks of: "Brining warrior is a net loss, even with shout"

[jovial mauve]

like every single archon profile for the raid this tier has us in thane, M+ has us in thane. I just think we need more than an execute buff in ST to make a noticeable impact

[echo rapids]

Although it’s hard to say if that’s even blizz fault, probably not realistic to expect anything better than TWW tuning

Without crazy levels of homogenization

[jovial mauve]

which is why I think the SD proc rate buff would be a nice catch-all but

[olive wraith]

That’s because slayer st is relatively close to thane

[dense elbow]

Goal is not to push ppl who want to play Thane from it.

Goal is to allow people who want the Slayer gameplay, to be competitive (or as close to it as possible, without being clear-cut dominant)

When Slayer had better ST, Slayer was a pick for prio dam

[olive wraith]

It would be diff if slayer had a bigger st gap like before

[dense elbow]

We got ppl who died on the hill of "Slayer is better, even if it is 5-10% behind on overall", because our ST was just that strong

I do miss the good times of just demolishing bosses Was good times

[jovial mauve]

I guess it's just not been my experience with the spec so far

[olive wraith]

S3 tww was a great example of that before the slayer tier change

Thane had better overalls with respectable st for keys. Slayer had really good st and moderate aoe

People played both depending on group/pref

[echo rapids]

It’s very tricky to find that balance

[dense elbow]

extremely so

[echo rapids]

Most people I think don’t want to be forced to play one hero spec over the other

[olive wraith]

Ya probably the main issue with hero trees

[dense elbow]

You dont have Fury mains, anymore. You have Thane and Slayer mains.

[echo rapids]

But getting some variety in gameplay while also allowing both hero specs to do something different but ALSO both be competitive with each other is a lot

Would help maybe even to have a warrior dev

Just a crazy idea

[dense elbow]

In the WoW dev I trust

[olive wraith]

Wish they would adopt some ideas from Archi

[dense elbow]

In the board of "helpers"

not so much

[echo rapids]

I still wonder why we ended up with the midnight changes we did

Especially when I play my alts

Like how did the same balance and design teams go from TWW demonology to Midnight Demonology, and TWW warrior to midnight warrior

[olive wraith]

Blizz tried to do too much

Apex, housing, 3 raids, addon restrictions, ability pruning

Addon should have been a longer process

[echo rapids]

Yes but they accomplished their goals with a lot of specs

[olive wraith]

Sure, but still divided attention is gonna leave holes

[frank dawn]

I mean I really don't think our specs are that bad. Fury has a boring talent tree yes, but it's just tuned bad. Arms has rage issues and is tuned bad.

If we were tuned well I don't think people would complaining anywhere near as much

[tame gorge]

Does anyone else struggle with maintaning roatation dduring Bloodlust winddows? I find myself hitting the wrong prior, but especially during Bloodlust.

[echo rapids]

We literally gained a spell

[olive wraith]

And subsequently lost it

Kek

[echo rapids]

And that should have all been sorted in beta

[olive wraith]

Fair

[jovial mauve]

if I dont orange parse its blizzards fault, if I do, I'm a god

[echo rapids]

I know Archie specifically said that ravager and avatar for arms were gone at some point in beta

[olive wraith]

I don’t get the ravager hate tbh

[vivid pollen]

hot take - thane still pumping in keys

[echo rapids]

Doesn’t need to be it’s own button

[echo rapids]

It’s still fine, feels good to play, always have CDs, tanky

[vivid pollen]

my issue with colossus is you need a tailored grp to offset the boss dmg, and slayer copped an aoe nerf for no reason whatsoever

thane just has a good M+ profile I feel

I haven't actually tried slarms since the patch though, it was my fav prior to the patch

[echo rapids]

Both arms specs definitely hit harder in aoe

Even played badly I can beat my thane aoe burst as arms

[vivid pollen]

oh definitely arms has higher aoe potential

thane also just immortal though

[sullen tendon]

I hope they add a new hero talent tree

I want fire warrior

[brittle crow]

i might not be a real arms patriot you guys

i think im gonna switch back to fury

[sullen tendon]

Burning blade

[supple glen]

any other must have addons apart from improved ww tracker that i am not aware of lol

[sullen tendon]

Burning blade hero talents that let you make mirror images and lights your bladestorm on fire. Enraging causes your attacks to leave burning wounds on enemies

Or better a modifier that focuses on buffing gushing wounds replacing it with burning wounds and acts like a fire nova that explodes when you blade storm

Awesome

[novel rivet]

what's with the fire stuff, wasn't the whole kit is illusions, bladestorm, crits and windwalk

[echo rapids]

The moment I spend 40k regemming and enchanting for arms will be fury buffs

[sullen tendon]

Why does it explode? Who cares

It’s awesome

[sullen tendon]

Cause fire on glyphs

[vast token]

Fire warrior

[tranquil sentinel]

iirc there was one time in beta, a long time ago that u would be able to set your wepon on fire and do some magic damage with swings, i think it was tied to hs? ( i could be making this up)

[novel rivet]

there was a thing on classic wrath I think, fiery enchant procced deep wounds, and it was actually pretty good numbers wise, but they nerfed it almost instantly

[sullen tendon]

I think hybrid specs would be cool as well. They did that for enemy npcs in island expeditions in bfa and it was really cool. Frost paladins, shadow hunters, voodoo healers.

Hybrid warrior shaman would be cool. The way to bring back two handed shaman and give warriors the earthquakes and lightning they actually wanted

[rotund geyser]

fury feels amazing in raid compared to arms

[toxic jewel]

I just wanna point out, this discord is better than the dk discord

[fickle vector]

Probably a stupid question but does rampage utilize the improved whirlwind talent that hits other targets as well? Or does that only apply to bloodthirst/bloodbath and raging blow/crushing blow?

[sullen tendon]

I deeply wanted mountain than e to cast chain lightnings but blizzard gave us boring thunder mast instead

Blast

[covert coyote]

yes rampage gets cleaved from WW

[supple glen]

if you ignore the meter

its also not that hard with arms rage issues

[quiet geyser]

Warriors get the shit end of the stick so often that most of us are just use to playing a bad to mid spec and use to dealing with questionable nerfs:)

[toxic jewel]

While I agree to that, that has nothing to do with what I said 😂

[sullen tendon]

I got a 99 on mythic chimeras last night but I assume that’s just because no one is playing fury

[quiet geyser]

Oh haha. With the unholy stuff going on, just assumed 😂

[toxic jewel]

Naw I meant the actual discord themselves

We get the patch notes here, they dont

[echo rapids]

Got a 75 this week, adds are already dying so fast

[vivid pollen]

parsing on that is genuinely all about how much of the adds you are allowed to pad on

actually

that's basically every fight

[kind bolt]

i have been enlightened, turn rend into a St ability again

[echo rapids]

We had 2 wipes because people opened on them so hard that the shields broke too fast

[vivid pollen]

lmao

[kind bolt]

that way we can waste whirlwind stacks while talented into rampaging ruin

[lusty jungle]

blizz needs to merge thane + slayer so when we thunderclap we also reap

[delicate rock]

Parsing this tier in generel is very, very lame. The first 5 bosses are basically just how long random non Importet adds are Alive. Its ovinax / stix all over again but 5 bosses

Your just praying to get a 99 or its just a 85. Gets better once you hit paladins

[wicked eagle]

Are we expecting patch reveal today or?

[quiet geyser]

Soon tbd.

[lusty jungle]

probably not, just bugfixes

[echo rapids]

Surely

[frank dawn]

[delicate rock]

If no buffs today then AI balancing confirmed

[echo rapids]

If AI was balancing we would have gotten ST buffs 2 weeks ago

[delicate rock]

@echo rapids its a american AI, its dumb

[frank dawn]

Yeah I kinda think AI would be doing better at this point lol

[delicate rock]

Probably

[echo rapids]

Unless the AI prompt includes “but make fury warriors a bottom 3 spec”

[delicate rock]

Simming 94k with 282 Sure is great.

[echo rapids]

They might be using AI To write quest tests and such but this kind of class design and balancing is 200% human

[delicate rock]

So your saying we need New humans

[echo rapids]

Anytime someone posts a “design a fury warrior spec for wow” AI prompt the output is always at least as good as what we have and often sounds better

[tiny seal]

So you wanna tell me there is a whole wowhead post about uh being bugged?

yet they STILL do more dmg on bosses then warriors???

what the actual

[frank dawn]

[delicate rock]

Sounds about right to me

No Problem detected

[echo rapids]

Having a favored child spec be so bad at ST damage that it’s almost fury warrior level is a true emergency

[tiny seal]

and not talking about fury. BOTH warrior specs

[gentle badge]

Someone in here mentioned an addon called “better ww” or something. Is it because the blizzard base ui CDM WW tracker is shit? Mine is slow to update if I have stacks or not, even hitting dummies it’ll just disappear

[tiny seal]

what a clownshow

[wicked eagle]

Fury warrior renamed to Irritated to represent current dps tuning

[frank dawn]

True

[delicate rock]

Inc 3% aura buff

[frank dawn]

Real

[gentle badge]

Mildly agitated

[broken kiln]

Is there a specific time a blue post for tuning usually drops or is it just random thruout the day

[delicate rock]

Should be in like 3/4 hours if i am Not mistsken

Be rdy for Nothing

[edgy widget]

like everything, it's whenever blizzard decides to do it; not always on Fri, not even always weekly

[broken kiln]

Aha, I thought it was typically friday with potential on Monday for emergency changes

I may be smoking Crack but dont they usually avoid tuning specs right before theyre going to drop a rework for?

[undone flower]

It is not always

It’s just Friday is a frequent day they post what next week update is, if there is one

[broken kiln]

Got it

Well fingers crossed anyway

[undone flower]

And likely ; they will post the bug fixes / calm down devourer or stuff like that for next week or the one after

[broken kiln]

I guess theyre just panicking right now cuz everything seems to be broken or breaking

[undone flower]

Not really

It’s been 100 years they do that

[broken kiln]

Probably not stuff you care about but it kind of is

Decor duels and stuff

I mean not that i care either

[undone flower]

It is stuff that happens, they are used to those, ofc they don’t panick, ppl are subbed

And ppl have bigger trust in Blizz than they show

[broken kiln]

"Trust"

[undone flower]

More like the docile trust of the sheep

[sullen tendon]

I think this may genuinely be true because people complained that tanks were taking too much auto attack damage and instead of nerfing enemy auto attack damage they buffed tank auto attack damage. AI is the only answer as to why they wouldn’t make that distinction.

[undone flower]

Not consciously active trust

[broken kiln]

Hopefully they fix the shield durability bug too

[undone flower]

It’s not a bug

It’s like that since prot war block

[broken kiln]

Gotta be double dipping

[undone flower]

Kinda weird double dipping which is talked about every season, it’s just ppl are not used to play prot war 🤷‍♂️

[broken kiln]

Just seems too fast

Its an additional downside for tanking on a particular class ig

[undone flower]

L

[thorny verge]

Enrage should be at 100% uptime right

[broken kiln]

Teeming was more mobs tho

[olive wraith]

We’ve gone longer without changes before

Idk why people think this is new

[stiff barn]

Unless it's nerfs we need, then we get a few of them in the space of 2 weeks .

[undone flower]

Ppl forgot old early/pre SL Blizz where things didn’t change for 2 years each expansions

[broken kiln]

Pre Covid is ancient lore now

[olive wraith]

Just saying. I do think we need buffs. But if we don’t get positive changes announced this week I don’t think it automatically means ai/we aren’t getting touched

[vast token]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-the-line-theline-gme-wsb-wallstreetbets-gif-20158488

[spare steppe]

I also don’t think it’s trust it’s unwilling to accept that blizz doesn’t care

[fringe vale]

Its 100% ai

[undone flower]

#fury message
ppl trust Blizz will fix it, too late ofc, and not before launching the patch, the inbetween of the perfect consumer

[olive wraith]

Source trust me bro

[fringe vale]

We don’t know because of nda’s

Just look at every other tech/dev field, its all ai

[olive wraith]

Is it possible? Sure. Don’t think it’s any confirmation though

[molten plover]

1h to blue post and nerf 🙂

[fringe vale]

Blizz have been pioneers in replacing people with automated stuff, i wouldn’t be surprised at all

[rain thicket]

Does fury do damage in keys? and which specc to go?

[undone flower]

Idk if they can use ai to code wow stuff

[olive wraith]

Fury is okay in keys

Thane is better overall. Slayer has slightly better st in keys

[rain thicket]

okey , thank you

[olive wraith]

Either are fine to play if you prefer one over the other

[fringe vale]

Thane feels way bwtter than slayer anyways

Playstyle wise

S’ayer feels clunky and weird

[rain thicket]

ravager sucks , even as Collosus arms

is also nobody playing the AOE rampage talent for fury?

[olive wraith]

People dislike tc spam

[olive wraith]

It’s kinda bait

[fringe vale]

I dislike the rng of reap more

[molten plover]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-that-right-there-you-said-it-youre-right-you-got-it-gif-17668393

[undone flower]

I kinda dislike it, I was in favor of avatar tc cdr nerf

[rain thicket]

honestly i like pressing TC way more then using ravager, its just a stupid talent somehow

makin ravager passivve proccing with a special ability would be way better

[undone flower]

If you make ravager passive for arms, just remove it

[novel rivet]

true

[undone flower]

The fun is you do gazillion cleave dmg when you use ravager

[sullen tendon]

You didn’t even use ravager for ravager

Just for bt procs and rage

So why even have it

[undone flower]

That’s more fury ravager issue

[olive wraith]

Everything doesn’t have to be for damage

[undone flower]

Which no longer exist

[fringe vale]

?

[olive wraith]

Bs s3 wasn’t for its damage

[sullen tendon]

Aren’t people only taking ravager for cleave spam on arms

[olive wraith]

You can have things enable other things

[fringe vale]

Yes

[sullen tendon]

Yes so not ravager itself

So same problem

[undone flower]

Which is

[sullen tendon]

An ability that does nothing on its own and is only used to huff other abilities

An on use passive

[undone flower]

The ability increase cleave dmg

[sullen tendon]

Ok but you aren’t pressing ravager because it does damage

[olive wraith]

I think buttons enabling others are fine

[undone flower]

Recklessness does nothing

[fringe vale]

Its bad design

[sullen tendon]

Your pressing it becusee it I creses another bookies damage

[sullen tendon]

Reck is a buff

You don’t have to press ravager to activate reck

[undone flower]

Smh a buff can be fun to have

Like a cleave dmg buff

[sullen tendon]

Yea so why make it an ability at all

[novel rivet]

I'd press focused rage and hamstring all day, take me back

[olive wraith]

Is this rage bait

Lmao

[undone flower]

Recklessness would be way cooler if it had a cool animation

[sullen tendon]

Why not just have a button that activates the cleave buff without throwing out a ravager

[fringe vale]

You dont like red?

[undone flower]

Spinning orange blade cool 😎

[sullen tendon]

Spinning or age blade do no damage

Not feel good

Me want abilities I use to do big damage

[olive wraith]

Why is that a problem though

[sullen tendon]

Not buff other

[sullen tendon]

Imagine if bladestorm on slyer was only used to buff raging blow

[jovial mauve]

personally if I'm going to use physical looking abilities, I want those things to chunk. If I'm using a spell/ability to enhance my other ones, I'd prefer it just being a shout or like avatar

[olive wraith]

It was

[sullen tendon]

lol

It buffs rampage

[olive wraith]

Bladestorm literally enabled rb reap spam

[sullen tendon]

That was the tier set

[echo rapids]

Bladestorm does quite a bit more damage than ravager

Even when it was nerfed

[olive wraith]

Okay?

It was still used as an enabler

[sullen tendon]

Yea now imagine if you casted bladestorm and it did barley any damage and only buffed bt

It’s boring

A big flashy ability that does nothing on its own

[echo rapids]

An ability can do multiple things

[olive wraith]

Ya it can

[jovial mauve]

was it only an enabler? I remember BS doing quite a bit of damage when used in m+ last season

[olive wraith]

It was mostly used as enabler

Reap spam was better than bs I’m pretty sure

[echo rapids]

Ravager is doing like 1.3% of a colossus warrior damage in keys

[olive wraith]

So?

[sullen tendon]

Ok let’s zoom out a bit and look at the entire history of bladestorm where it has historically been a big flashy damaging cooldown

[fringe vale]

Bad design then doesn’t justify bad design now. The class needs a rework on all the specs. Thats it.

[sullen tendon]

I have 0 faith in the clsss designers to make fury better/more fun

[jovial mauve]

Yes, swap thane and colossus for fury Nodders

[olive wraith]

I’m not convinced abilities that enable others are inherently bad design

[echo rapids]

The point is that ravager does so little damage that it functions basically as a buff, so why not just make it that

[sullen tendon]

Bro you are just ignoring every thing before last season lol

[echo rapids]

Although I think the easiest thing is to just make it drop automatically when you smash

[sullen tendon]

Just because bladestorm was used to apply overwhelming last season doesn’t mean it’s an enabler ability by default

[jovial mauve]

just take target cap off BS :^)

but I look at avatar as a good skill for enabling, feels right

using BS or Rav for enabling, no feel right

[fringe vale]

I just hate that fury and arms hit like soggy noodles in st

Like wth

[echo rapids]

Fury gets reck, arms gets smash: slayer gets BS, thane gets avatar, colossus gets demolish

Thank you for coming to my ted talk

[jovial mauve]

they should remove reap the storm and replace all procs with a weaker OF since it's basically a glorified reap anyways, then give us avatar and BS back

then they can take rend and odyns off our talent tree and give us something interesting

[olive wraith]

So we have to be the same spec every season?

[wide delta]

Banners, a warhorn bloodlust, and actual tuning and i will never complain again

Except about sweeping strikes still being on the GC

[fringe vale]

Ure asking to much, the ai can just use so much water, its gonna drain Anaheim

[wide delta]

The ai can just offset some of the work to another Ai

Oh and gladiator 4th spec

[jovial mauve]

Give us a shout that makes us a 20 yard ranged class around throwing our weps for like 5-10 seconds for some cool thematics 🙂

[wide delta]

Would be cool but warriors are the only melee required to have next to 0 ranged options, it is literally written in Blizzard's development rulebook

[fringe vale]

Just get rid of ava and reck and combibe both of them into berserkingblike kratos in gow throwing our weapons and going ape shit punching for a time

[wide delta]

Survival hunters get an axe throw btw not the raging berserker with dual axes, that doesn't make sense

[tranquil sentinel]

I found it!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7Dj0Ml5qbk

its his ability by ms check his buff bar

now i need to find the beta patch notes

[wide delta]

A turtle that a hunter found in a storm wind storm drain can lust, but the raging fury warrior with an ability called bloodthirst can't

So can their pocket falcons

[jovial mauve]

lust on warrior is sacrilegious

make battle shout give haste buff so we can get invited to more than just phys comp keys Yuppers

[edgy widget]

p sure that was ignite weapon

[sullen tendon]

You’re being obstinate. Just because bladestorm doesn’t change function every single season doesn’t mean we are hard locked into it. We used ravager for like 3 seasons straight.

[jovial mauve]

we should get both BS and ravager and when we BS in ravager it spins us faster like a top so we get more strikes in. 🙂

[edgy widget]

get out

[jovial mauve]

sorry I cant hear you over my combat design job offer from blizzard, they just called me after reading that

[sullen tendon]

There should be a talent that makes bladestorm shoot out mini ravagers with tiny gnome ghost versions of yourself spinning

[jovial mauve]

leaked apex talent for s2

[olive wraith]

I’m saying there’s examples of cooldowns enabling things and there’s examples of cooldowns doing damage. It’s not bad to rotate between those two ideas if it increases engagement

[tranquil sentinel]

OH YEAH! ty

Bring it back

[compact knot]

It's probably just bug fixes, could see ddh tuning

[sullen tendon]

I think bladestorm should always be a giant damage ability and not a ravager like ability that just enables other abilities and does no damage itself. I think they should add more modifiers to bladestorm to increase its function alongside its damage and also increase its visuals like adding lighting to it for mountain thane or a glyph that turns it into a fire whirl or something’s

[edgy widget]

idk what the argument is but bladestorm both deals damage and enables things

it actually does quite a lot right now

[sullen tendon]

It should just be a giant nuke again

[olive wraith]

It was initially about ravager enabling cleave

[sullen tendon]

Power yourself up and THEN use bladestorm for big damage

[edgy widget]

Bladestorm does do p big damage, but obviously it's not going to be 1 button pressed 5 times to do 50% of your damage

[sullen tendon]

I like where they are going with the slayer talents but it just doesn’t feel impactful

[jovial mauve]

make bladestorm take control over our character for the duation as a trade off for more damage. If we ricochet off the wall, it amps us even higher

[tropic inlet]

BFA Bladestorm was giant

[olive wraith]

Hot take. I don’t like bs on fury

[jovial mauve]

what do you like on fury

[olive wraith]

Not channeling stuff

[jovial mauve]

yeah so what do you like

[tropic inlet]

Wait wait wait I have The Idea

[jovial mauve]

you dont like reap and you dont like bs, so what slayer versions do you like

[edgy widget]

this feels like the kind of unimportant bellyaching people focus on when they're unhappy with something else
which is to say that I bet the conversation wouldn't be happening if Fury were actually one of the more powerful classes atm

[fringe vale]

Mobility, tankines, playstyle (most of the time)

[sullen tendon]

I would appreciate something similar to charged abilities that changes the visuals based on how many stacks you have. So if you have a ton of stacks of slayer strike up or reap I can’t ember which one adds hits to your bladestorm it should enhance the visual of bladestorm to signify that it is doing more damage. You wouldn’t always hold it thought becusee sometimes adds or packs will show up that you don’t have enough charges for but it would still be worth it to just throw it out

[tropic inlet]

When we use Bladestorm, we stay still and the world spins around us.

[jovial mauve]

keep going

[edgy widget]

but anytime players are unhappy with general issues, like overall tuning, they start nitpicking small inconsequential things that don't actually matter

[olive wraith]

I don’t reap being the primary aoe tool. Pretty sure I’ve made that clear

[jovial mauve]

yes but again you're not saying what aspect of the class you do enjoy

[edgy widget]

tbf it's not

[olive wraith]

It’s decreasing now for sure

But in conversation people keep talking about more reap

[edgy widget]

S3 TWW was the only time it was, and that was cause of the tier set

[sullen tendon]

Besides the tuning and some gameplay problems I think fury suffers most from the visual department and it’s why a lot of players don’t like it.

[tranquil sentinel]

what if blood thirst just did 1% of a targets hp as damage, regardless of health

[edgy widget]

no

[olive wraith]

Thane has great effects

[sullen tendon]

Like what

It’s literally just 20% more thunder clap

[olive wraith]

Clap, and blast?

[jovial mauve]

just call yourself a TB enjoyer that's fine

[tropic inlet]

After 5 seconds of Bladestorm, the world collapses onto the Warrior, turning him into a tiny maelstrom

[olive wraith]

I thought you were talking about visual effects

[fringe vale]

Tbf the only thing i dislike about the warrior dos specs rn is the low st dmg, thats all, the class doesn’t feel bad, it could be better sure, but eh wth.

[tropic inlet]

Big damage una tantum, then you can uninstall the game

[tranquil sentinel]

Yeah honestly thane is fun, mash keys, unga bunga

[edgy widget]

I mean Thane does have extra visual effects and additional sound effects

[sullen tendon]

Yes because most of of our abilities are just melee swings with nothing else added. Most rogue abilities have some kind of flashy effect with them like a gun or a shadow or stuff like that and even monk has things like spinning crane kick and fist of fury that stand out when casted. Fury’s only recognizable ability is bladestorm and we don’t even use it.

[edgy widget]

even Leap gets changed as Thane

[olive wraith]

^

[sullen tendon]

If you were in combat and saw a fury warrior you wouldn’t even know they are doing their burst

[fringe vale]

Also, is the high world ms inside raid due to the last patch drop? Bc yesterday it kinda persisted for me.

[edgy widget]

that said, Slayer also has extra effects - most obviously, Reap and Slayer's Strike

[olive wraith]

Thane has v/sfx

[compact knot]

The funny part is there is another group of people just like you except they hate magic like effects

Lmao

[sullen tendon]

I like that the thunder leap glyph has been broken since the start of tww because of mt

[edgy widget]

grass is always greener

that's all this entire convo boils down to

[bitter palm]

make enemies visually bleed or smth idk what else would make sense for warriors

[compact knot]

Yup

[stiff carbon]

I forgot about slayers strike, does it even have an animation?

[bitter palm]

yes

same as main gauche outlaw i think?

[sullen tendon]

There’s a good middle ground that a lot of specs meet that I think fury needs

[compact knot]

Personally I play with sound off and can't see animations anyways

xdd

[jovial mauve]

the only animations I need are numbers going up

[edgy widget]

the issue is that when people have a personal preference, like Khazix preferring Thane to Slayer
they take it as a personal affront and believe that just because something doesn't match their personal preference, that there's something wrong with it, that it's flawed and needs to changed

[fringe vale]

Illidan? Is that you?

[edgy widget]

because most people have zero concept of subjectivity

[compact knot]

^

[bitter palm]

when lura dead

did u hit p4 yet

[sullen tendon]

This is why they need to add ability transmogs or add more and more glyphs

[compact knot]

We did not hit p4

Very close though

[sullen tendon]

Glyphs were great and they just stopped making them and most of them are bugged

[compact knot]

Sunday or Monday it dies

[edgy widget]

probably why they've been talking about it for years

[last belfry]

man i wish slayer could be buffed

[jovial mauve]

microsoft doesn't have the funds for this and excellent class design unfortuantely

[sullen tendon]

Have they?

I haven’t heard anything regarding that. Mostly just stuff like pet transmogs for locks and such

[compact knot]

@edgy widget idk if ur at ur pc but they just pushed a hot fix

Might have fixed fob interaction

[fringe vale]

The only issue i have with slayer is having to choose between ava and bs, and hero talents forcing you towards bs.

[compact knot]

Prayge

[edgy widget]

it was brought up in the ambassador interview like 2 weeks ago

[last belfry]

i liked when Bladestorm was together with Anger Management

almost everytime we had a bladestorm

[edgy widget]

Avatar doesn't do anything, so that's not a problem

[olive wraith]

I like high apm melee, and rage as a resource. Also like that fury is 4~button unga bunga

[tranquil sentinel]

and that it hits bt over the other butten

bt stocks up

[olive wraith]

Historically I also liked when we had strong/impactul cooldowns

[edgy widget]

they push hotfixes every 5m man lol, I ain't jumping at every single one to see if they changed something - it ain't that important

if it gets fixed, I'm sure someone will notice

[compact knot]

SORRY

I just want to play the funnel build on lura

Sadge

[olive wraith]

Also showing my age. Bs still feels like an arms ability to me

[bitter palm]

once u kill lura they will push it

they dont want you funneling crystals onto the boss sorry

[mellow smelt]

fury is still aoe capped right? haven't play since DF thinking about coming back

[jovial mauve]

they dont want me doing anything

[lilac root]

is 37% mastery too high?

[jovial mauve]

no, most top warriors are closer to 40

[compact knot]

Bigger issues then a target cap rn

[mellow smelt]

worth coming back to or no?

[polar narwhal]

Still bugged.

[lilac root]

im curious because i have haste/mastery boots and belt but most BiS recommends night ender with haste/crit

[jovial mauve]

if you want to top charts right now, no. If you just like playing warrior, yes

[compact knot]

Nah

Arms in a good spot though

Can always play that

[mellow smelt]

fury or nothing for me tbh

[compact knot]

That's chill

[mellow smelt]

dont care about being OP but if ima be bottom dps no matter how well i play i think ill hold off. appreciate the advice

[olive wraith]

No it’s not

[lilac root]

you wont be unless everyone else plays perfectly, which they wont

[mellow smelt]

cool thx for help all

[stark lantern]

im on archon right now for M+ warrior and for rings, it's showing platinum star band as BiS ring albeit it is crit + mastery, wouldn't it make more sense to have either A) the ring set or 2x haste + mastery rings? Simmed 3 variations and the set rings are higher for me

[dry ether]

eyes of the eagle simming higher than mastery for u guys aswell? 🤔 first day back since the new patch

[compact knot]

it got buffed

specs that crit a lot like it

and we crit a lot

well we crit a decent amount

[sly merlin]

eyes of the eagle were simming best for me before buff

[olive wraith]

Stats will vary for every person

[sullen tendon]

I must have too much mastery because I simmed my crafted gear last night and it told me to make engi haste boots

[olive wraith]

Haste:mast isn’t always the best

[junior oyster]

Happens. My sims are telling me to choose crit/haste at any opportunity over mastery.

[olive wraith]

Sims will tell you

[sullen tendon]

Download simc addon, type /simc in chat, go to raidbots and paste your simc in there. Choose wha you want to aim

[olive wraith]

I believe raidbots also has a tutorial video on the site

Might have some guides on YouTube too

So you get a visual

[stark lantern]

gotcha, im just utilizing what I have atm and see what my "realistic" future build will be, still no gaze from vault sadly nor ever seen it drop from kill

[olive wraith]

Ye, gear is a grind don’t sweat it

[stark lantern]

definitely and then factoring in DR etc, plus we do get a lot of crit from recklessness

[merry lotus]

Yeah don’t neglect crit in your build

[edgy widget]

Archon is never "right" all it does is aggregate the gear players are currently wearing

which means absolutely nothing

[stark lantern]

ive had bad luck in vaults for 3 weeks in a row, cape, belt, trinket and hook from windrunner spire lol

[edgy widget]

take sockets and bonus rolls

[stark lantern]

gotcha, so always stick with simming?

[olive wraith]

That is best practice

[stark lantern]

yeah, should've taken a bunch of bonus rolls if I knew we were getting them lol

[sullen tendon]

I’ve just been running the nexus ring set cause I like damage procs

Stats are ok too

[jovial mauve]

top fury is running that set in m+

[edgy widget]

Well then it must be the best thing ever!

definitely no chance it just happens to be the best of what that player happens to have available

[olive wraith]

Big if true

Chances are they’ll pick another DF dungeon for s2 rotation right?

[narrow kiln]

Is mt or slayer best for raid rn

[languid willow]

Mt

At least in mythic

[edgy widget]

Thane for early bosses, Slayer for late ones

[hallow helm]

93k ST sim am i doing something wrong? i'm 282

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fYdf2kyQwdSJN86KwXmH7X

[jolly ridge]

yes there is something wrong It called fury warrior single target, the best in the game right now

[clever iron]

xD

[shy bronze]

Fury is 15% the top right now. Roll arms or play another class.

behind*

Literally the lowest ST damage in the game right now

[jolly ridge]

but remember only real warriors use 2 - 2 handers

[shy bronze]

Shut it down imo

[sullen tendon]

I like when I’m in raid groups doing more st damage than 80% of the group and they complain there isn’t enough damage to kill the boss

[jolly ridge]

lol

i mean fury is kinda ok in raid since all of the fights are add fights, otherwise we would be with tank damage

[sullen tendon]

I don’t even bother simming slayer anymore

Mt is better for most fights

[jolly ridge]

better question, when is blizzard will send us more voidcores for extra rolls

[sick pagoda]

At this rate I think the best tuning we can hope for is some kind of bug that rockets our ST to middle of the pack for a day or two

[jolly ridge]

auto atack damage increased by 1000%

[sick pagoda]

Fury has been excluded from this cause .. warrior

[sullen tendon]

I just sim patchwerk 1 tar 5 min in my m+ spec because it’s a 1 talent difference

[jolly ridge]

i still feel fury nerfs are coming, blizzard cant just revert the changes and be done with it

[jovial mauve]

we are overperforming at falling down the tier list, so we need to be nerfed

[jolly ridge]

true, we are still visible on the chart all the way down

[olive wraith]

Holy doom

[rustic wharf]

I love that everyone is getting mad for UH doing the damage Fury has done since last month

[jovial mauve]

tbh they could 'glacial spike' whirlwind with odyn's fury and after a certain amount of rage you build or targets hit you get an OF charge. Then give us another 45 sec cd that doesnt feel like another ww

[spare flame]

[sullen tendon]

We aren’t a high value class because we don’t have lust or brez

And more people play those than others

[sick pagoda]

UnholyDKs should close down the retri discord for fury IMO

[spare flame]

giving us lust would be dope as fuck, hella fitting too

[jovial mauve]

I have found my people, I've been asking for lust for 2 expacs now 🥲

[sullen tendon]

Ever notice how it takes months or years for warrior monk rogues to get changes

[sick pagoda]

Id rather they give grip (chains) to us, so ther is more than 1 that have that

[sullen tendon]

Because we don’t have list or brez

[spare flame]

but i guess they are afraid of giving lust to a class that has a tank spec? idk

[rustic wharf]

giving us lust would be something i dont see them doing, simply because we have a tank spec

[sullen tendon]

We won’t get lust

[jovial mauve]

they could simply just make it a fury talent

[sullen tendon]

It just means they won’t pay attention to us

[wide delta]

They could at least bring banners back then

[brittle crow]

is bis 2nd craft still arcanoweave bracers?

[sullen tendon]

No, blizzard hates that idea stop thinking

[jovial mauve]

banner intercept, sadge

[sick pagoda]

put it in the trash with Rend

[sullen tendon]

Banners could never come back because it would give people an actual reason to bring warriors

[olive wraith]

Lust and brez would do nothing for the spec

[jovial mauve]

it would quite literally open us up to more m+ keys

[olive wraith]

Doubt

[jovial mauve]

????

if a party doesnt have a lust and they need a lust, warriors do not get accepted

[olive wraith]

We’ve had brez

[wide delta]

If banners ever come back, the monkeys paw will curl. Their CD will be nerfed by 200% within an hour of launch

[spare flame]

prediction: they will give warriors lust when they ultimately make a tank shaman spec

[sullen tendon]

If skull banner came back they would have to make it share sated with lust otherwise we would be brought to every group with a list

[olive wraith]

There’s so many lust classes

[jovial mauve]

yes, you're saying it offers nothing, I'm saying it gives us more access to m+ parties

people could forgo hunters for phys comps (maybe) since we can lust too

[stiff maple]

What would actually make us invited is doing a zorbillion amount of dps

[sick pagoda]

Just make Lust a global thing that the party leader can access in instanced content..

open up things

[jovial mauve]

like why NOT have it

it works thematically, there's no good reason for us to not have it other than (?)

[olive wraith]

Aug is in so many keys. If you don’t have Aug you have access to Hunter

[jovial mauve]

okay, again, why not have it

you just dont want more classes with lust or hate the idea of warrior having it

[stiff maple]

Lust can work thematically for anything. Not a particularly real point

[olive wraith]

Because spec diversity is good

If everyone has lust it’s kinda pointless

[wide delta]

A warrior dev slept with a lead dev's wife, i am entirely convinced this is truth

[pallid brook]

question

how do people log :d

[wide delta]

A spiteful goblin is keeping cool thematic abilities from warrior

[olive wraith]

Getting lust won’t magically save the spec

[pallid brook]

i wana see how badly i do

[jovial mauve]

no, but it opens up more M+ options

[stiff maple]

I thihk the archon or warcraftlogs site has a guide on how to swt it up

[pallid brook]

archon

got it

thanks

[wide delta]

Id rather have banners than lust tbh

[stiff maple]

https://www.archon.gg/wow/articles/help/getting-started

[wide delta]

Something unique to warrior that's not battle shout

[pallid brook]

thanks kiwi

[stiff maple]

Of course

[bitter palm]

warriors have good util

rn

[pallid brook]

something like the banner in shadowlands would be fun tbh

[jovial mauve]

if you wanted to do a brew, feral, rogue, warrior, priest/hpal boom now you have a lust

[pallid brook]

like totems

[bitter palm]

billion stops rally insanely tanky

[olive wraith]

Why would you play rogue rn

[stiff maple]

Warriors bring enough rn yea

[jovial mauve]

why does that have to do anything with what I said

[wide delta]

No condemn or banner though, we get orange whirlwind and noodle spear