fury

[abstract tulip]

it really doesnt get into my head

[fading sky]

And 4th hunter rework

[abstract tulip]

why would you buff the two top performing speccs

[spare steppe]

DK needs some bug fixes

[edgy widget]

you clearly don't look at the WoW Warrior forums lol

[spare steppe]

So they can be appropriately nerfed

[ember apex]

fury is still owed a rework from 10.0.7 that we still havent gotten

[fading sky]

Still does more than arms

[chilly fractal]

I was excited reading we can choose where weapons are sheathed this patch… but I still can’t sheathe slayer of the lifeless on my side…

[ember apex]

when they reworked all the specs

they said we were gonna get one in the patch notes and never mentioned it since

[edgy widget]

WoW War forums are full of bitchiness, it's just the same 3 PvP players spamming dumb takes over and over again

[quiet geyser]

Tbh i disregard most of those posts because most of them literally just dont make sense (lower skill level player ignorance), pvp, or the 10000th time some1 begging for lust

[spare steppe]

But they can’t be accurately nerfed without the fixes first imo

[ember apex]

i only ever made 1 wow forum post and it was complaining that i cant need on tier in lfr as a mythic raider for transmog before they made the change that unlocking mythic appearance gives u everything under it

[edgy widget]

honestly, that's a good policy lol

[fiery edge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1285353121102561311/dead-fury.gif

[chilly fractal]

I used to bump guild recruitment threads a lot

[languid willow]

Tbf I bitched on the forums after they tried to nuke our only m+ ability and spec in the game for fury

[ember apex]

i know how to fix warrior m+ util

[plain nacelle]

I got it guys move champion spear to slayer tree and make it an immune so we can just Bladestorm in it without having to worry about the tank moving. GG’s

[sterile hearth]

The people that rely on the WoW forums are the same people that need yellow paint to tell them where to go in modern gaming

[quiet geyser]

But referring to the actual beta section.. warriors literally have no voice compared to other classes

[abstract tulip]

just give RB a 10% damage buff

[misty edge]

100%*

[rigid solar]

eyes of the eagle enchant or nay

[languid willow]

Robot

Tell us the truth

[chilly fractal]

I was busy playing Classic WoW during most of Alpha and Beta

[fading sky]

Hardest copium in a while

[abstract tulip]

I unironically rerolled cause noone invites warriors

[frank dawn]

People meme on feedback and whatever, but it doesn't seem like it would hurt if more people would be active on the forums during testing cycles. Not the class forums so much, but the testing forums.

[hybrid yew]

Sooo did we get nerfed with thane thunderclap or no..? Tooltip still reads the same

[ember apex]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/current-raid-tier-transmog-farming-is-dead

[fading sky]

Fr we tried hard all beta

Still got super nerf

Just b4 release

Furt had very strong st via a and rb build

[sage owl]

W

[fading sky]

Arms was also strong

Got nuked

[quiet geyser]

Im not saying constant bitching works.. but there definitely seems to be a correlation of active forum feedback vs changes that actually happen.

[edgy widget]

idk there was a ton of feedback on the beta forums

problem is more people doesn't usually result in more or better feedback, it just results in people arguing

especially when you have randos who barely even play the class insist that their grand vision is the only right one

[abstract tulip]

blizzard also does not want browns to be more than decent

[spare steppe]

I’m just hoping thats how they do stuff

[echo rapids]

Feels like they are all nostalgic for 20 years ago where warriors just hamstrung a person and spammed MS on them

[spare steppe]

Naively optimistic

[edgy widget]

I would say yes, more feedback helps get a point across, but frankly the more and more feedback I see is so shit that I'm not sure it actually does anything but muddle the convo further

and tbh let's not pretend those "loud" classes are any happier for their changes right now either

[ember apex]

what about my post about transmog

thoughts?

[abstract tulip]

but what I really dont understand is why warrior gets taxedd so much more, I genuily have almost twice the repaircosts for the same durability as on my dk

[sterile hearth]

I think history in gaming has shown that devs will see all this piss-poor feedback and then just disregard the whole conversation and go with their vision/idea/data

[edgy widget]

obviously DK got a lot of attention cause they got a whole ass rework

[fading sky]

Why do i feel everytime we get a slight rework

It turns out worse

[ember apex]

do u guys wanna know what my warrior rework would be

[edgy widget]

I'm pretty sure that's not a thing - Prot gets extra because of the way shield block works

[abstract tulip]

nah I am just stupid and its the second 2h wep

[edgy widget]

I mean, aside from Ravager (which we already had, so not exactly a change), War gameplay turned out pretty good in Midnight, it's just the tuning that's ass

[quiet geyser]

We didn't really get a rework.... fury is basically the same thing just swapping bt and rb

[fading sky]

I mean... the rage

[edgy widget]

is not a serious problem

[ember apex]

i do like warr gameplay in midnight tbf it's better than TWW but doesnt beat dragonflight season 2 or season 4

[fading sky]

I mean thats tuning as well

[ember apex]

85% haste in combat w/o lust is fucken peak

[edgy widget]

I don't like being dependent on Skyfury either, but people love to aggrandize the shit out of things - War is completely playable without it. It'll def lower your damage more than it should, but it isn't as though you can't press buttons

[quiet geyser]

Still think slayer gameplay is complete ass lol. Thane is very fun to play.

[fading sky]

I digress. I hate rav, but i must admit, arms is good in m+

[abstract tulip]

warrior plays great, its just missing a big boy burst and single target damage and some influencer who tells everyone that inviting warriors is not grief

[fading sky]

To play

Its just our st is sooo bad

Vs the competition

[ember apex]

i think fury should be flat line dmg profile, arms can/should burst

[edgy widget]

Fury Slayer's biggest issue (aside from tuning) is just BS/Reck alignment; if they'd tweak that it'd be fine

[ember apex]

i feel like theres already plenty of specs that fill that niche of burst dps

[hybrid cargo]

all warriors should have real execute phase imo but im kinda a purest on that

[frank dawn]

I do agree we turned out pretty well gameplay wise, even if we had a last minute bullet dodge with this patch. Just frustrating how often Fury seems to fall toward the bottom in performance and nothing ever gets done. And feedback probably doesn't really matter toward trying to get some kind of better approach there.

[fading sky]

I mean s3

We fucked

[quiet geyser]

I think it def needs an rb buff (through the hero tree)

[ember apex]

bring back venthyr condemn red visual 🤤

[supple glen]

warrior needs a big pr campaign. people dont like it and allow it to be good

[edgy widget]

that's tuning

[sullen dove]

Fury rage always insignificant u have 700 ways to generate it arms just turbo ass atm

[loud pine]

Shut down our discord

[edgy widget]

you first

[fading sky]

Was arms rage issues furys fine

[ember apex]

its not archis server i dont think

[edgy widget]

"shut down the discord because I'm unhappy whaaa" is the most baby bitch thing

[sullen dove]

I can accept a bit of rage starvation in the in between not having cds up for arms but on god they need to rebake reck/extra rage generation into cs or avatar or something

[uneven path]

@vestal root DOUBTER

[quiet geyser]

Kinda do. Even if its not execute it self, every spec has a "deals more damage below 35%" which is effectively the same thing

[edgy widget]

Sorry your RWF prog guild benched you bro, not gonna take it out on an entire community

[sullen dove]

Using my cds in execute and then just not being able to hit any buttons is crazy

[sly bobcat]

My diaper fills anytime I don’t get my way reeeeeeeee

[fading sky]

I mean tbf most of us wont play on last 3 bosses on prog

[ember apex]

im benched for pala b/c our other warrior pre-geared for arms 😭

[edgy widget]

by the time most of you get to the last 3 bosses on prog, dam isn't a concern

[sullen dove]

beloren pretty bad still…

[edgy widget]

Also Arms is fine on L'ura; it's not great but it makes up the damage in P3

[fading sky]

Vs a ret?

[uneven path]

idk I have completely different opinion i hate MT gameplay

[edgy widget]

Wars actually can be decent on Crown, but you need a lot to go your way; def not good, but as long as you're bringing battle shout you're getting an invite

[ember apex]

i used to hate it b/c it felt slower - but it feels fine now that we also get Anger management

[edgy widget]

spoiler but most guilds don't have the capability to swap tanks on every fight

they play what they have

[uneven path]

Yeh, like I can see why ppl like the MT, idk I am just love Slayer

[sullen dove]

Shouldn’t be that hard to swap gear and arms I’m pretty confident is like third best spec on fight now

[ember apex]

my guild has 2 tanks each tank has 2 alts and they can bring any class for tank and they keep bringing prot warr it fucken SUCKSSSSS

[sullen dove]

since mm is killed

[uneven path]

Like everything about it, the feel and game play for most parts

I think Slayer needs RB buffs and will be great

[abstract tulip]

I mean we can hopepost all we want about warrior being fine, but blizzard still looked at the numbers and decided to buff devourer and unholy

[edgy widget]

potentially yeah, but you know it's still so much harder for a War to maximize damage than a DH/Mage/Lock/Hunter

[ember apex]

im first sub but yeah

[quiet geyser]

Going from like 25 sec bladestorms to 45+ feels awful lol

[hybrid cargo]

fury's tree bugs me tbh its either all points in RB or all points in BT idk feels like fury hasnt actually changed since bfa from a core desing stand point just built on top of

[fading sky]

I think opposite

Its direction and cleae

[supple glen]

i achieve numbers on my 264 monk that i really have to work for way more on warrior

[fading sky]

If tuned a bit better would be cool

[edgy widget]

that's cause Blizz keeps rebuilding the talent tree to try to get us to care about both BT and RB at the same time, not really considering that the gameplay doesn't allow us to

you just don't have enough GCDs in the rotation to utilize BT and RB both "on cooldown" so you end up going fully into one or the other

[hybrid cargo]

yea thats my peeve

[quiet geyser]

Buffing bloodcraze fixes that imo... still wouldnt be using bt on cd, but frequent enough

[abstract tulip]

hmmmmm I wonder how warrior used to play before, sounds like there was an ability off gcd

[hybrid cargo]

this line of talents is also fucking warriors

[supple glen]

luv me throwing atacks

[uneven path]

idk I am just "blastin" and havin fun

[hybrid cargo]

if either of the outside ones were inside wed have 3% more auto attack dam

[edgy widget]

lmfao

it's AA speed actually, but do you have any idea how insignificant 3% AA speed is?

[plain nacelle]

Hell yeah that 3% is the difference we need

[quiet geyser]

Last time we had high auto attack dam (this pre patch), we got nuked into oblivion

[uneven path]

Feels weird seeing arms have 3% crit dmg and we have attack speed

[quiet geyser]

Careful what you ask for!

[edgy widget]

Barbaric could probably be a little less universal, but this row is fine
it's the next row down that eats all your points

[ember apex]

heavybreathing

[edgy widget]

especially the fact that you have to spend two points talenting into an Execute bonus to reach AM, even if you're playing a build that doesn't focus on Execute (Colossus/Thane)

[hybrid cargo]

i mean we just need 1 free point nothing else gives output in the tree you arnet already taking

its not great

[edgy widget]

its not about output, it's about economy and again 3% AA speed amounts to practically nothing

[obtuse karma]

guys is coining still bugged?

[plain nacelle]

Blue post said it was fixed

[supple glen]

id still wait

:^)

[vast gorge]

so what's everyone rerolling to?

[supple glen]

if its not mythic riad

[edgy widget]

it's fixed

[obtuse karma]

xd

[quiet geyser]

If we're talking about bad talent trees how have we not mentioned the fact of being forced into fresh meat? 🤨

[obtuse karma]

fixed in m+? i dont wanna get the same loot twice xd

[supple glen]

its prob fixed for +10 keys but wbu +11 loot table

never trust

[edgy widget]

that was never a thing

stop fearmongering

[edgy widget]

Yeah the tree layout is dumb, though at least we're talenting it in a rotation that actually casts BT now

[plain nacelle]

You will never know until you press the button so why not just press it and try again next week

[quiet geyser]

Still a useless talent

Lol

[edgy widget]

I mean it's not useless at all

it's just not particularly strong

[plain nacelle]

I like pressing BT I just want it to feel okay to press RB equivocally

[quiet geyser]

Im telling you boys, buff rb and bloodcraze

[queen panther]

They should just bake vicious contempt into fresh meat at this point 😂

[quiet geyser]

Both buttons get used

[plain nacelle]

I like my big crit BT’s

[uneven path]

@edgy widget btw do you think there will be more tuning in like week or two ?

[edgy widget]

yes

[hybrid cargo]

buff bloodcrazy how though

[uneven path]

👍

[spare steppe]

I hope they buff whirlwind

I want to spam it

[hybrid cargo]

i hate the idea of oh dont hit BT untill its at x stacks

[spare steppe]

In ST specifically

[quiet geyser]

Literally 0% of the .5 changes were tuning. It would be kind of silly to make a bunch of design changes on a whim and not adjust some knobs after testing

[edgy widget]

it would also be kinda silly to push a patch nerfing already low damage without realizing it was going to negatively affect performance but here we are

[frank dawn]

imagine tuning the game when you release it!

[plain nacelle]

Yeah but devourer need a 10% buff though

[grim lake]

Anyone do deep testjng of fury Slayer with changes? Any good?

[edgy widget]

tbf though some of the Warrior .5 changes were tuning, just not explicitly for Fury

[quiet geyser]

Touchè

[wide delta]

There will be tuning, but it will not be enough for warrior and there will be more bugs

[uneven path]

Yeh that is what I assume, them waiting for how the changes land and duned after it

[wide delta]

Prophecy says there will come a day where Blizzard turns the AI off and we will get tuning forged by the hands of a human again, someday

[abstract tulip]

after the next layoffs

[quiet geyser]

The reality is, if you want both rb and bt to be used extensively in a rotation, going the root of x buffs y is a VERY easy way of doing so

[hybrid cargo]

like dont make that shit stack to 5 then? condense it i dont wana BT every 10th global

[vestal root]

in your honor i bricked a WS 14

[quiet geyser]

You are prob thinking of the old df tier set when it was based in rampage casts though.

[vestal root]

well i didnt do it myself but my group did

[quiet geyser]

If you base it on rb casts (blood craze), you'll get those stacks super quick

[uneven path]

GJ proud of you my apprentice

[vestal root]

never inviting disco priests again

[plain nacelle]

lol

[quiet geyser]

But i agree, I think a max of like 3 would be cool, but a lot stronger than 5%. If it was like 15%, big chunky bts after 3 rbs

Boom slayer fun again

[echo rapids]

I wonder if the coming mythic flex raid is a feeler for last titan

[hybrid cargo]

flex mythic seems like its defeating the purpose of mythic imo but thats just at a glance

[indigo arch]

priests are the warrior equiv, healingwise

kinda just forgotten lul

[wide delta]

Heroic raids are more redundant than ever so its good to have a bridge, at least until they make heroic content more relevant again

[uneven path]

we timed two 18s with disco xdd

But that guy was god damn gamer

[echo rapids]

Unlikely irrelevant

We haven’t even killed H midnight falls, no one really cares

We raid on a limited schedule and just not spending time on it

[wide delta]

I just wish heroic gear wasnt handed out like candy lol

You can just buy it with those accolades now

[abstract tulip]

takes ages

[plain nacelle]

Hmm curio’s? And we can bonus roll on mythic gear in M+

Mythic gear is delicious

[wide delta]

Yeah that's kinda nuts too imo

[plain nacelle]

Nom nom

[vestal root]

you a gamer too im over here struggling on 14s

then again you probably play the game way more than i do

[plain nacelle]

I feel like healing is more challenging this season in M+ a lot of dispels and heal checks

[uneven path]

Yeh I play just wow now

Waiting for Grim Dawn patch

Plus we want to hit the 1% this season

[vestal root]

theres a lot of big spikes of damage that just happen

[echo rapids]

+10s being doable on like day 2 didn’t help

Even for us peasants

[plain nacelle]

Yeah I would say if your playing with a disc priest probably don’t get too far ahead of them or LOS which I’m not saying is the case but I alt disc and I’ve seen tanks just zug without checking on if their healer is ready and in a decent position to heal it

I’ve had so many tanks just los me or pull 10 mobs while I’m still walking to catch up and I’m using feathers for movement speed

[indigo arch]

The fact that they have catalyst slot boes helps too

1.6m m tier chest via the magic of visa™

[plain nacelle]

Disc is proactive healing and if you put them in a reactive situation it will feel bad for everyone XD

[echo rapids]

Less valuable than ever with all the extra catalyst charges and easy myth tier loot

[indigo arch]

Yea bought it more so I had the ability to select other shit

was also at a ilvl deficit, of which I am catching up on now

279.25 now

[echo rapids]

Fair

[indigo arch]

at least as arms

[odd vapor]

currently im with crafted weapon and bellmy mace in champin, should i just craft another weapon?

[quiet geyser]

Are you doing atleast 10s?

For m+

[odd vapor]

15s/16s

[quiet geyser]

Then just use your rerolls for a weapon from a dungeon

You get it at m 1/6

[odd vapor]

true

ty

[plain nacelle]

MT has the haste/mastery 2h axe 🪓

Prolly roll on it as arms spec maybe I don’t remember if loot pool is bigger for fury

[odd vapor]

gotta check it out

sadly i sued my rolls for the chimearus trinket

used*

and got... a belt

[quiet geyser]

Its not. Loot pool for arms and fury is the exact same.

[plain nacelle]

Well then there ya go

[quiet geyser]

Also may be worth to check the dungeon journal to see if there's a 2h from a 3 boss dungeon (so you have less bad luck rolls)

Anything with mast/haste/crit is fine

[vestal root]

another key bricked another disco priest

epic

[odd vapor]

i think maisara has one

[quiet geyser]

Ya mast/crit

[indigo arch]

Wish power infusion was tied to a not priest spec tbh

give it to rshams, skyfury and pi on a stick

gg

[vestal root]

im fine with holy priests

idk why are people allergic to them

they do fine

[indigo arch]

disc legit dead

[unkempt oasis]

isn't disc supposed to be good?

[indigo arch]

Holy can at least react to people dying

[vestal root]

YES THANK YOU

one big spike of dmg happens and disco just folds

[dim spindle]

hm, crit % ring enchants buffed to 2%. Worth?

[vestal root]

yes

[dim spindle]

crit damage %

Oh realllly

[indigo arch]

Those ring enchants simming ahead for me fury and arms

[dim spindle]

Is raidbots updates with it, anybody know? Shows 0%

[indigo arch]

it's like the old strikethrough bfa corruptions that were bis

[dim spindle]

cool, ty

[civic tundra]

sims from eye are correct then ? same for me is telling me to enchant with that now

[sullen cloak]

Upgraded both trinkets to heroic 6/6 but my vault mythic trinket won't upgrade to 2/6 without spending 20 mythic crests....am i missing something?

[sullen dove]

relog

[indigo arch]

eyes enchant is good yes

[sullen dove]

its been good since like week 2

odd so many questions about it now

assuming ppl just like never tried simming with it before or what

[spare flame]

for those that use puzzlebox in m+, do i send it on CD or save it for avatar/reck?

[sullen dove]

probably a fat waste without your cds yeah

[indigo arch]

with cd

[spare flame]

i wonder how long it's fine to hold it

[indigo arch]

or get trinkets that aren't CBT

[sullen dove]

until you get cds idk

[dim spindle]

They buffed it

[indigo arch]

like heart/aln

[dim spindle]

Wasnt in the notes

[sullen dove]

yea ik just it was always a good enchant

[indigo arch]

Yea it wasn't simming ahead for my fury set

til this reset

[spare flame]

i wish

[indigo arch]

same, H heart/N aln for fury

H heart/rep trinket for arms

feelsbad

[charred flint]

do my splits look fine for a m+?

think so right

[dim spindle]

I'm still stuck in the "crit sucks for fury cuz 100% from reck" mindset from the good ol days

[sullen dove]

maybe fury would be a decent spec if reck was 100% crit

[dim spindle]

Blizzard, hire this man

[indigo arch]

Idk, fury blasted with crit in bfa hard soon as s2 hit

[modest condor]

i mean 50% uptime on 20% crit still kinda hurts its value for us

[indigo arch]

and cold steel hot blood came into existence

cshb so dookie now for damage%

[modest condor]

and we havent really had any particularly strong interactions with crit chance since bfa

[dim spindle]

The 2 extra seconds on enrage from bt crit is kinda cool too, even if we don't manage our ramps nearly as much as usual

[charred flint]

CSHB was stupid as fuck

[spare flame]

100% crit + draught of souls from guldan in legion

[dim spindle]

1 extra second*

[spare flame]

that shit was op

[dim spindle]

HNNNGH

[indigo arch]

Severe/strikethrough corrupt stacking, full set of bleeds every bt

70%+ crit

lmao

[dim spindle]

Not to mention enrage and other talents/buffs boosting it

Then blizz said "nope too much fun" and put the ixnay on it 🙁

[indigo arch]

Know what was goofy shit? fury artifact crit damage% effect worked on say, gunpowder charges

[sullen dove]

embarrasing to admit but i think watching an asmongold legion clip of 1shotting 2 people in a 1v2 arena with draught of souls is what made me swap to warrior way back when

[indigo arch]

fury could airgank in wpvp

[dim spindle]

drought was the only trinket with a cast time/channel I've ever been able to stand.

[sullen dove]

cuz tomb is like when i officially first played warrior i think

[spare flame]

i still watch this youtube video called E X E C U T E every now and then

[indigo arch]

nothing better than airganking a rat spam emoting because "lmao warrior in air xd"

only to go spreadeagle from their mount

[dim spindle]

Only problem with it is tanks (friends or pugs, though friends do it for the lols) intentionally (or not) dragging the pack away when they see you spewing souls

Or bad stuff spawning under you, but w/e I sit in those anyway. I miss the days when damage gave you rage 🙁

Dodging mechanics = less dps. Obvious choice

That's what the healers are there for, after all 🙂

On an unrelated note, why are healers always so angry. I mean gosh

They need to chill

[fading blade]

Is it just me or warrior dps feel low mid dor raid this season?

[sullen dove]

definitely not just you

been all we been talkin bout last month and a half we are some ass in raid

[wide delta]

Severely undertuned in raid, fury undertuned in both raid and m+

[quiet geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/where-the-hell-have-you-been-diego-hargreeves-david-castaneda-the-umbrella-academy-where-were-you-gif-18025362

[indigo arch]

Shoulda known when they didn't kneejerk nerf us like with tww that we would be "fine" by their metric

aka dogshit by the time all are geared

[sullen dove]

u are right they do deserve some small credit

[indigo arch]

was halfway optimistic week1

[sullen dove]

for not exploding us by how "good" we looked first week of heroic/mythic

[dim spindle]

To be fairrr, we kinda are "fine". Just barely

[wide delta]

Give me back my banners

[sullen dove]

the storm surge nerf scare was a funny one

but honestly keeping it barely even does anything for us in raid

mostly just to not kill thane in m+ atp

[indigo arch]

It had the same energy as nerfing arms in beta

[dim spindle]

With the exception of super high keys and a couple mythic raid fights... "fine" is relative

[indigo arch]

go figure, arms is better in a lot of places now

Clearly they had a time machine

[wide delta]

I actually believed they were about to take thane out back

[indigo arch]

[quiet geyser]

Fine is a weird word. Can you clear content? Sure.. but saying fury is anything but complete dog shit right now would be dishonest

[dim spindle]

I have a sneaking suspicion that maybe they have plans of a semi or full rework in the future and that's part of it. Why it popped up in these notes, who knows. It's blizz

[indigo arch]

Bums me out going from s3 fury to....this

[dim spindle]

I wouldn't say we're complete dog shit for the majority of content. A couple myth raid fights, yeah it sure seems it

[sullen dove]

yea i mean its def really annoying to play with like the talent does warrant some nerf/change to at minimum the cdr of tclap part of it

[quiet geyser]

Name 1 fury is good in.

[sullen dove]

but they cant just do that and give absolutely nothing in return

[fading blade]

I would say that we're good in M+ high keys, it's raid where we're dogshit.

[dim spindle]

Uh... soul hunters?

[indigo arch]

For example rampaging ruin went to live as total jank, there's a tuning point they could use for m+ right there, make it do something else

[dim spindle]

Ultraxion!

[indigo arch]

Ultraxion LMAO

the goofy cloth and leather mastery sets

I still remember watching a video or some shit where landsoul put this bright fucking outfit on for a deathwish snapshot

before pull

[dim spindle]

Honestly I'm not even raiding these days, just m+. But thane seems to be at least good enough to down most of the current myth bosses

[quiet geyser]

Exactly. Fury dog shit 🙂

[dim spindle]

Is thane ideal, nah. But good enough for a warm body I guess

Slayer I dunno. Haven't played slayer since prepatch

I'm just huffing on my copium, ok. Want a hit?

[fading sky]

Kek

[quiet geyser]

Again, this is where the word "fine" is subjective. You can clear mythic with legit any spec, i wouldn't say that makes it fine though.

[fading sky]

Q is, if raid can carry y

[dim spindle]

Fine, I' guess I'll give in and hop aboard the doom train. Positivity is for losers anyway

[sullen dove]

idk if u need like peak dps performance on any boss still cept for beloren

[fading sky]

Nah i mean

[sullen dove]

like i dont even think lura is much of a dmg problem now

[quiet geyser]

The real Q is, do you have a prot war. Literally only saving grace

[fading sky]

Prob not. But keep in mind bad players in guilds as well

[dim spindle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copium

[fading sky]

Havin a 15% less dmg player

[dim spindle]

I'm going to start growing this in my backyard

I'll give you guys a good deal when it's harvested

Oh wait it's a bug not a plant... hmm

Correction - I

I'll start breeding them in my backyard

[dim spindle]

This is the key to topping the charts and living the life of the dog having a cup of coffee amidst the flames meme

"This is fine"

[fading sky]

Facts

[zinc python]

I feel like mythic vaelgor and ezzorak is just a race to try to get avatar up in time for the void orbs so you can pad lol

[balmy shore]

fury lookin like a good option for beloren with unh bugged out

jk we do no boss damage

[lost reef]

any tips what dungeon i shoudl send my coins on?

[night marlin]

Yeah what egg damage you think you're gonna do lol

[zinc python]

Yea belorem is arms territory

[balmy shore]

no arms logs this week yet unless im mistaken

[zinc python]

Its personal. So look up what dungeon has the most items you need versus ones that would be useless. For me I needed 6 of the 7 things from magistrate terrace

So I only had 1 shot at wasting a coin

[civic cradle]

yo chat one question

If I spend Mythic Crest to buy Heroic Crest, do the Mythic Crest count as if I had spent them for an upgrade, or do they not count?

[sullen dove]

you mean arms

[sullen dove]

uh... yes you use myth crests that count towards your cap and you can never get them back

really not recommended to ever do that especially not on your main tho there was/could have been some merit to doing so on a fodder alt earlier in the season for some early hero of the dawn crest gaming

but pmuch no reason to ever do that now you should be able to get more heroic crests than you could almost ever possibly spend by now

[smoky vale]

do you have anything to level

or nah

[sullen dove]

im not leveling a 6th character

[civic cradle]

i see well rip i dont want to farm heroic crest lol

[sullen dove]

just cap myths and youll get hero's from doing stuff that wouldve given you myths

heroic raid also gives a good 100-150ish maybe hero crests

[balmy shore]

xd

[sullen dove]

tho lura might still not be puggable enough

[balmy shore]

blizz way of getting me back

[civic cradle]

100 and some

yea at some point ill cap the myth crest i almost there lol

[sullen dove]

and if ur 263 every slot you can convert champs into hero at 30>10

can stave off some laziness there i do that on my alts all the time

[native wadi]

i would save that for turboboost

[sullen dove]

if u happen to have any from previous runs of normal or whatever

[native wadi]

or some of it

unless you can schyzo farm

[sullen dove]

i dont think theres gonna be any kinda turbo boost like that

[civic cradle]

i think we already in turbo boost

with the roll thing

[sullen dove]

ascendant voidcores seem to be the turbo boost stand in but its only to upgrade your weapons and trinkets

and it might not even cost crests

psure rest of your gear is staying at 289

[lilac osprey]

from what they've said its not going to cost crests

and yeah the rest of your gear doesnt get upgrades

[sullen dove]

yea itd be weird if it did cuz you might need to do like multiple trinkets

idk what it would cost

but yea dont think any specific occasion to save a bunch of lower crests this time around

[civic cradle]

oh wait can u get hero crest from legacy raid or im high

[sullen dove]

like... tww raids? i highly doubt it

[civic cradle]

chrono ones

[dim spindle]

delves drop a bunch of hero crests

Especially if you get the map

[sullen dove]

o timewalking yea probably

if theres a TW raid up not sure which it is

[lilac osprey]

it has a new currency attached to it which will drop from stuff similar to how the catalyst charges do based on what they've said

[sullen dove]

prolly worth a run through assuming its easy

[dim spindle]

4 delves + map gets you to cap

[civic cradle]

ill see

[lilac osprey]

there is no timewalking raid up

pandaria doesnt have one

[sullen dove]

L blizzard

make timewalking tot or soo

[civic cradle]

4 delve?

[dim spindle]

yar

assuming you're far enough with delve rep

[sullen dove]

if u do tier 11's yea each gilded cache is liek 10 hero crests

rank 4 delve journey

4 per week

and map is another like 20 or so rite

[civic cradle]

i already done it haha

[sullen dove]

gg

[civic cradle]

gg

[dim spindle]

hmm.. housing weekly is another 20

Pretty sure the solo boss delve drops heroic crests too, but not a ton

[civic cradle]

ill try delve

i dont wanna do right now m+

[dim spindle]

Understandable. gl

If you haven't done the ?? challenge delve yet that gives a decent number of myth and heroic crests if I remember right

And it's really not too hard

[lilac osprey]

nightmare prey hunts also drop heroic crests iirc

[dim spindle]

Ah yeah, that too

Do 3 and get another 20 on top

[civic cradle]

ah ye i done it already

[lilac osprey]

also they should be one of the reward choices for doing random nightmare hunts

[dim spindle]

All I know is I cap heroic crests without intending to in like an hour when I knock out a few delves and prey. Pretty sick of them at this point... I'd like to look forward to labyrinths but blizzard is making it difficult to have hope for the future 🙁

[lilac osprey]

i usually end up capping them doing keys

[snow flower]

Higher level ritual sites also give Hero crests, if you really don't like the other options

[civic cradle]

yea i doing this for a alt i have a few item to upgrade

i was thinking on spen the myth but

doesnt worth

[dim spindle]

Yeah dont do that

You can't upgrade champ to heroic yet I take it?

Though champ crests are even more annoying to try to farm if you're not already capped on the higher tier crests for the week

[civic cradle]

i dont have much champ crest at this point on my main i capped lol

but theres no way i gonna cap champ crest on this alt

haha

[snow flower]

T8 delves and Nightmare Prey hunts give a ton of champ crests, too

[unkempt oasis]

Welp. Newly was the keyword.

[civic cradle]

delve +11 how much they give like 10?

oh they give 15

not to bad

[dim spindle]

Yeah I used 1 reroll in terrace and got the dumb belt. Dreading using the 2nd tonight

We all know what I'm going to get

Still rocking a heroic voidcleaver 🙁

And you got leech? Dang. Happy for you 🙁

[unkempt oasis]

I guess double axe is good, but now I have to sim potentially arcano lining on my cloak?

[unkempt oasis]

I can't really complain I realize.

[dim spindle]

You can always complain. But just remember there's always some poor soul out there that got a belt instead

[unkempt oasis]

I wanted the belt >.>

Trade you.

[dim spindle]

Deal

Well, well. Changing ring enchants to +crit % is a 1% increase ST, I'll be darned

[abstract tulip]

so are we rerolling seat ?

[dim spindle]

But it's one of the boe recipes... shit

[unkempt oasis]

Dropping Hunt is way too rough.

[upbeat creek]

Got belt cloak from MT rerolls yayyyy

[dim spindle]

Oh yeah, there's a cloak too. Already have one crafted so 2x the chance for me to cry myself to sleep tonight

[unkempt oasis]

At least you will be warm

[dim spindle]

True, it gets pretty cold in my cardboard box

[indigo arch]

Used mine at myth vorasius and got a crit ring for arms

[dim spindle]

I'm upgrading to a refrigerator box soon, though. Movin' on up

[indigo arch]

Not the worst fate

No heart tho

[kind bolt]

rampaging ruin triggers the thing right?

[sullen dove]

the thing

https://tenor.com/view/pondering-the-orb-gif-13211537702542941358

[dim spindle]

Heart of Wind? Max mythic heart was a +420 (heh) dps increase over crucible in my sim. Bonkers

[unkempt oasis]

Double axe no good

[warm crag]

-74

[unkempt oasis]

For like 10k!

[warm crag]

10000! is an unfathomably large number

[unkempt oasis]

10k gold

[kind bolt]

i mean reap the storm

[unkempt oasis]

to set myself up with -74 dps

I should have been more clear

[warm crag]

it was a very bad maths joke

@tidal kindle are you still alive

[sullen dove]

would assume so cuz it has to be activated when ramp hits things with whirlwind but tbh idk…

[dim spindle]

Does that include adding an embellish to another piece of gear?

[unkempt oasis]

Yeah it is putting Arcano on cloak

[night marlin]

Did you sim all stat combinations for the cloak just in case?

[dim spindle]

Ah that's what the icon on the left is? Roger

[sullen dove]

can try le dummy and see if it counts like how many targets hit by rr cone

[unkempt oasis]

I did not...

[indigo arch]

Vorasius trinket

[sullen dove]

U also try not double mast enchant?

[kind bolt]

would appriciate if u checked

[indigo arch]

Somehow rep trinket is outsimming mythic alnseer for me as arms

St and aoe sim

[unkempt oasis]

[sullen dove]

me! Then I have to talent rampaging ruin!

[indigo arch]

Colo weird I guess

[dim spindle]

ohh that one

[sullen dove]

must keep my account pure

[dim spindle]

What on earth. Are we sure the sims are accurate with crucible?

I mean I don't mind having an extra 10% move speed at almost all times but it feels kinda wrong

[indigo arch]

I asked this earlier in arms disc

If it's a sim trap

[sullen dove]

I mean it’s good but that probably shouldn’t happen unless u have actually 0 crit

and other trink isn’t a crit giving trink too

[indigo arch]

Because i see heaps using aln as arms, yet crucible outsims

[ocean grove]

crucible is a sim trap

[indigo arch]

I have like 31%crit

[dim spindle]

Is that confirmed?

[ocean grove]

Yes

It was mentionned early into the expansion

[dim spindle]

I think that was fixed

[sullen dove]

it was reverse bait for the first like week or two

it showed like it did nothing on sims but was working in game

[indigo arch]

Rn using crucible and heroic heart as arms and aln normal and h heart fury

[sullen dove]

it should be perfectly accurate rn

[dim spindle]

It may just be that strong tbh

[indigo arch]

It sims meh as fury

[dim spindle]

I switched back to crucible for m+ because that extra MS and leech is worth the 420 dps loss imo

[indigo arch]

But in m+ colo it sims big

[dim spindle]

And I haven't noticed any difference in the overall

[indigo arch]

Beloren trinket simming super fat for colo too

[sullen dove]

yea I mean Colo does really like its crit it might just be close enough unless ur fully arms geared

[sick pagoda]

fury is not dead

[dim spindle]

respectable

[sullen dove]

like I think with crit flask and crit on almost all your pieces 35%ish is attainable maybe?

[dim spindle]

That guardian was cranking, too

[sick pagoda]

Personal best, I was giggling like a ltitle girl

[dim spindle]

Which dungo was that?

[indigo arch]

Yea id have to see after flask tbh

[sick pagoda]

pit10

[sullen dove]

bear Chad

[sick pagoda]

how much does augment actually help?

[dim spindle]

DId y'all clear all the trash in 4 pulls or what?

[sick pagoda]

nah normal "big pull"

[dim spindle]

I get a good +15-20% from aug it seems

[unkempt oasis]

My fav part about Aug parses are looking at logs and watching all the damage go to them.

[indigo arch]

I'm still partially geared for fury, still have seat glove and some champ mast haste socket belt

[sick pagoda]

but ligned up perfectly with my cds

it felt like

and puilled trash on bosses

[indigo arch]

Need windrunner glove and any belt to cata

[sick pagoda]

that helped a lot

just a small pack

[dim spindle]

Yeah that definitely helps

[sullen dove]

yea any occasion u aoe adds on bosses is big

[dim spindle]

wtb that tank

[indigo arch]

Trying to convince tank to pull the invincible mobs into giant

[dim spindle]

Do they count towards the meter?

I feel like I've read they don't

[indigo arch]

They just give arms big boss dam

[dim spindle]

Ahh, gotcha

[unkempt oasis]

They don't but if you have funnel, it helps a lot.

[dim spindle]

I'm a filthy thane enjoyer, no funnel here

Just pure pad baby

[indigo arch]

Thane should have funnel if they wanna keep the class fantasy of perpetual mediocrity

[dim spindle]

Our class fantasy is having a severe copium addiction

But it's starting to wear a number of us down, it seems

[unkempt oasis]

I feel like better boots should give us more Tclap damage.

[dim spindle]

It's not a problem until you run out

[indigo arch]

Ngl, unholy tempts me

Ranged kick ranged rotation more tanky

[sullen dove]

have you seen their disc last two days

[unkempt oasis]

Full of undead tears?

[indigo arch]

Oh I heard so many tears in raid last night

[dim spindle]

I bet it's full of even more rage than us

[indigo arch]

Told them to main dps warr for an xpac

[sullen dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226301705707323392/1496931401080111315/dk_discord.mp4?ex=69ebad81&is=69ea5c01&hm=9ba94b6e9dfb9a3738f7084ab0c2c81314eddbdf2241872a07cafaf2410a8de9&

[merry pewter]

I get it

[indigo arch]

Professional victims

[dim spindle]

Link them a modified casket carry meme

They'll love it

[indigo arch]

At least they didn't close their disc

Their bugs will be fixed before fervor of battle bug

[dim spindle]

Grok plays UH? Figures

[unkempt oasis]

I would be mad too if I rolled Unholy cause it was FTM and then it no work so good.

[dim spindle]

Karma

Always a laugh when a FotM class gets bugged/gutted right about at the time the rerollers start getting the hang of it

[unkempt oasis]

I say that, but I kinda regret not leveling my DH...

[indigo arch]

Their inconvenience will be fixed soon

[dim spindle]

A guildie was complaining about havoc

[indigo arch]

So they can continue their 2nd xpac in a row

[dim spindle]

Frickin purples, I swear

[spark coral]

guys is fury in a good place, all the 14s im running and it seems like we're in a good place

[dim spindle]

BUt to his credit he's sticking with Havoc because he hates Devourer gameplay. And he's not a reroller

But he also tries to bully me into going arms. So triggering

[olive wraith]

Mediocre.

Which is fine honestly

[vague stump]

rank 1 18 AA and didnt log fumin

[unkempt oasis]

Atleast we were not frost at the beginning of the season. That is the place you don't wanna be.

[olive wraith]

M+ logs are kinda fake

[olive wraith]

Let me clarify. Fine if you only do keys

[indigo arch]

https://tenor.com/view/you-lost-the-game-the-game-you-lost-gif-8361512045153306816

[dim spindle]

lol I agree, couldnt resist the meme

[spark coral]

thats what i do, and i feel fine

i feel furious!

[vague stump]

yeah kinda pull dependant but whatever

[dim spindle]

I'm out of the raid game these days because work is da poop. Really don't need a 2nd job right now

[drowsy heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1413178488713642104/GIF_20250904_160623_708.gif

god i miss this

[dim spindle]

I still want to know what happened with the 4872 hit

[drowsy heron]

i think its just cut off lol

[tight ruin]

Feels so good putting in maximum effort just to keep up with 1 button meta classes 🙃

[olive wraith]

Yuck

[dim spindle]

Logical

[olive wraith]

Was s2 supposed to be early fall?

[dim spindle]

There's a roadmap somewhere if you google it

[olive wraith]

I’m lazy

[dim spindle]

Same

I'd have linked it if I wasn't

Instead I'll spend that time talking about how someone else should do it

[olive wraith]

Hey siri link the roadmap

[versed scarab]

does anyone notice rampage not hitting in aoe?

[dim spindle]

Can't say I have

[versed scarab]

just did a m+ and it seems rampage is doing almost no dmg when it'

it's procced with improved whirlwind

[dim spindle]

I haven't logged in since last night, though... I guess I should do something about that

[frank dawn]

I played a few hours ago and didn’t seem to notice anything off with rampage cleave

[vague stump]

it is just doesnt feel like it because it procs so little

you mean reap right for slayer?

[drowsy heron]

sad part is, Slayer is just not worth playing atm

[frank dawn]

Actually true

[olive wraith]

Rampage or reap

[vague stump]

yeah I tried everything every build I could think off RB build, ruin build everything thane is just better in absolutely every way

[olive wraith]

Why go through the trouble of making an rb build lol

[frank dawn]

Maybe in 12.1 they’ll make RB an interesting and viable option

[vague stump]

well it was a ruin RB build because in single you cant fill with ww because of iprv ww so its nicer having RB back more often

but its still absolutely trash

[olive wraith]

Well ya

[vague stump]

unless you have a cancel aura ww macro its just horrible

[olive wraith]

Honestly not even sure how they can save fury without a rework of some level

[drowsy heron]

there are ways, just not going to happen cause Blizz is stupid

buff RB and AA damage again to help with ST

[odd crater]

Remove all abilities, only passives that increase auto attack damage

Total RNG build based on procs

[olive wraith]

Idk if that’ll save fury

[odd crater]

It won’t

[frank dawn]

ehhhh, I mean the base is fine is really quite good. Yeah our spec tree needs a decent amount of work, but it's like...8 talents? If they rework 8 talents we all of a sudden can have an interesting tree that can either specialize in RB or BT, and hopefully have 3-4 talent points left over to do some more interesting things that aren't just RB/BT

[olive wraith]

I think the bleed talents need to be redone in addition to the imbalance of bt/rb

Having passive bleeds is so lame

[frank dawn]

bloodbath is dumb, rend is whatever, I'd like to see them do something more interesing with CSHB tho

[olive wraith]

Rend is more dumb than bb imo

[frank dawn]

If they want warriors to have rend I'm neutral on it as it exists today. It's an uncapped, non-bursty, aoe damage knob they can tune with.

Assuming they actually ever tune fury warrior

[fiery hare]

might nerf us because devourer is too good

[frank dawn]

true, true

[fiery hare]

0 hope blizz will ever do anything right by warriors

[frank dawn]

They've let us be good occasionally, but it certainly feels like a rarity

and anytime we start to look good we seem to always get nerfed

wcyd

[olive wraith]

Still praying to odyn we get hard capped but offset with high prio/funnel

[drowsy heron]

cause blizzard hates us

[sullen dove]

do mm hunters have to stand still to cast aimed shot im assuming? or are there procs that insta cast it

[fiery hare]

there is lnl

[frank dawn]

they do have some ways to instant cast with procs

baseline lock n load they always have, and I think the talents that can let you force it more often aren't used atm

[sullen dove]

wonderin how this other guild's belo kill im lookin at their hunter has like 50% more aimed shots first egg

have to just assume itsl ike movement rng surely like if ur forced to run a lot

but like 2-3 less aimed shots is just like a free 1 mil dmg

[frank dawn]

beloren egg phase does sound like it would be aids for aimed shot cast time lol

[sullen dove]

as far as i can tell ours had 1 more lnl than theirs too but eh idk

it felt bad for me at times trying to gate > ms > pbox but i think i just gate pbox immediately

tho atp idk does losing like a second or two of pbox worth like 1-2 more global on boss maybe it is

[fiery hare]

wonder how much haste would you need for aimed to not be aids

[frank dawn]

for most hunters it's like a 2.2 second cast

[sullen dove]

yea just 6 aimed shots vs 9 seems like... extremely significant

[tidal kindle]

Huh

[sullen dove]

and also 7 arcane shots down from 11 but less of a deal

[warm crag]

hello

[tidal kindle]

What I've been up to

Very alive

[balmy shore]

garms is a regular man now wow no more pee

[vast gorge]

is hack and slash still not used?

[olive wraith]

Correct

[rigid sorrel]

Does Fearless Talent work on Alleria-Intermission?

[vast gorge]

why did they even bother buffing it?

[olive wraith]

To bait us into thinking rb buffs incoming

Tbf it is good design change though

[quiet geyser]

A few of the changes have been good design

Just not.. numerically pleasing 🙂

[deft palm]

I feel bad for unholy players

[fiery hare]

watching critcake getting gapped on lura so hard is very not cool

[deft palm]

Theyre on life support

[compact knot]

just p1

end of fight you are same dps as everyone else

[quiet geyser]

Even the thane nerf that got reverted would have been a good change.. IF they giga buffed TB to compensate

[olive wraith]

This is what I mean by they’ll need to do like a sort of rework to fix fury

We don’t have a niche to fill

[digital ore]

Decided to swap to MM hunter because we have 2 warriors in raid and I've been getting absolutely dogshit loot + vault for 3 weeks in a row, swap to hunter, MM reworked into dogshit immediately on the day of my raid, BM fucking sucks to play and I didn't grind daggers for survival

Maybe warrior bench life was better all along, it was peaceful

[echo rapids]

Ours swapped to frost last night and did fine

[unreal onyx]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/952949762032803940/1053435491992735814/wow-dragonflight.gif

[red berry]

ooo those are beautiful

[unreal onyx]

is that canal street and hoboken?

[warm crag]

holy beautiful

[tidal kindle]

Which

[unreal onyx]

street being canal street and water being hoboken

[tidal kindle]

Ty ty also @warm crag

[tidal kindle]

Which pic lmaooo

[unreal onyx]

3 and 4 (from the message with 4 pictures)

[tidal kindle]

One of them was from crown rooftop in tribeca

3 might overlook canal

4 is from gantry plaza

[unreal onyx]

close enough

wrong riverside

[tidal kindle]

[worn yoke]

slayer fury is 1 tuning pass away from being fucking sick. VERY fun in keys. IMO they need to make RTS proc on 2+ targets not 3+

[olive wraith]

Nah

Our st damage should carry 5- targets

[worn yoke]

just a quick test farm SR12. Would like to see reap higher in the breakdown. Not heartbroken by no RTS on bloodthirst anymore as i thought i might be. I like being able to press execute more than before when its available (and not procced)

[olive wraith]

Booo

[worn yoke]

i havent checked the numbers but i assume it'd be Bloodbath > execute > bloodthirst

[vague stump]

I mean if you have 3t you just need to press ramp as soon as its available I feel

like over everything else especially in uncapped aoe

well ovs not over SD but prio must be SD, ramp, BB, bt

[vestal root]

man according to droptimizer i dont even need to replace any pieces anymore justget higher ilvl versions

void and light rings heavy carry, belt and boots being catalysted sims higher than whatever other stuff

[tame holly]

Anyone else pumped about how they dumped on MT when we were already behind most other classes! Sure feels great doesn’t it zug zuggers

Sometimes I wonder about these devs.

[vague stump]

yeah my droptimizer is the same I just have myth gaze and the neck from cosmos to get that realistically give a good gain of around 0.9-1% outside of that the light and void rings from NPX hard carry

[vestal root]

sims value crit highly

[vestal root]

i dont wonder at all i dont even care anymore

play fury keep sucking just it do be like that

karma will build up and we will get buffed

[vague stump]

yeah idk why sim seems to value crit so high

[snow edge]

Dumped on MT? It’s unchanged?

[uneven path]

We will slap in s3

[vestal root]

especially now with the buffed ring crit enchants

[uneven path]

Just two season of building karma

[vestal root]

just so we can doom s1 next xpac again?

[uneven path]

Pretty much

[vestal root]

its kinda tiring

[uneven path]

Fury cycle of self destruction

[vague stump]

reap back on rb for season 3 again and increase BS t cap to 8 and we gaming

maybe we can compete with these dev DH players

[vestal root]

the bis lists and so much haste mastery stacking seems to lower my dmg at this point

guess robot i gotta listen to

[vague stump]

robot seems to know best

[spare steppe]

I almost swapped from warrior for better, but I’m still happy to be zugging. Fury and prot are so fun

[uneven path]

My robot is on delulu crusade to make me have 40% heast

[vestal root]

they are gonna get legendary glaives this xpac watch

[vestal root]

do it and then use reck pot

giga haste

zooooooooooom

[uneven path]

My own BL on 5 min cd

[tame holly]

They nerfed the damage of TC & TB

[vague stump]

I already have haste main 2nd stat maybe I should use rek pot

over lights

[vestal root]

i dont use reck because other buffs interact with it

[vague stump]

maybe robot will tell me

[vestal root]

or trinkets

[tame holly]

Hence why top log overall dps is so much lower in 12.0.5 in comparison to before patch

[spare steppe]

Did they? I thought it was reverted

[vestal root]

it was reverted

MT is unchanged

[vague stump]

MT is unchanged

[versed scarab]

can someone explain this?

[vestal root]

yeah rampaging ruin wtf

[uneven path]

MT playing RR

[vestal root]

bad talent

[uneven path]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-scream-pain-gif-10034820162071346400

[vague stump]

HAHAH

guys doin legit tank single target dmg

[uneven path]

Only if he WW

[vague stump]

I mean he is playing thane

has to clap

[uneven path]

Oh right

Well cancel aura

[vestal root]

or dont use RR

[vague stump]

I did that in beta having 2 buttons for rampage

is the worst

[vestal root]

i would take less dmg talent than play like that

or reroll

noway

[vague stump]

its not worth anyway

even on 8t

[uneven path]

we love creating problems to then make solution to it

[vestal root]

top 3 worst designed talents

[uneven path]

Just to make everything bit worse

[vague stump]

yeah worst talent ever

[uneven path]

Let me guess number 2 is cheat death and 1 was SMF ?

[vestal root]

ravager then smg

smf

[uneven path]

Amrs is still stuck whith that pice of shit of a "cd"

[vestal root]

im smelling some buffs coming

rampage and bt buffs

like 10-15%

[tardy lark]

[vestal root]

dont ask how i know

i got contacts

[vague stump]

I am hoping to wake up Saturday morning read wowhead and read fury buffs

[uneven path]

How much are we betting ?

[vestal root]

i dont gamble i only dream

[vague stump]

i think RB buff

10% max

[tame holly]

Didn’t realize they reverted it. I saw this in the official patch notes. I must have missed the blue post saying they reverted it

[uneven path]

I think we get some aura and RB buffs

[vague stump]

then maybe we play slayer RB build

[vestal root]

RB needs to stop getting buffed without rest of the kit being fixed

hack n slash build?

[vague stump]

ye

[vestal root]

that sounds dogwater for slayer kinda

[uneven path]

issue with RB it wont make Slayer better

[vague stump]

I dunno I dont mind it with BT not proccing reap anymore

[vestal root]

yeah but we need to ramp and BT still chunks on crits

not to mention slayer buffs bt more

rb would benefit thane more i guess

[uneven path]

or buff exe

[vestal root]

i wonder if hack n slash and giga buffed RB would make haste more loveable

[uneven path]

The world where exe proc the slayer strikes again

Which means more SDs

[nova vessel]

i’m still wondering if reap procs chance with rampage are bugged or the chance is insanely low lol i still have some faith on a hotfix for that

[uneven path]

Hmmm

[vague stump]

would buff single target dmg for sure but I feel you dont really have to press it much now anyway and if you prio RB over TB procs then that would feel kinda weird

[uneven path]

What a dream

[vestal root]

i dont know but i know on arms tactician feels "off"

[worn yoke]

im OK with it because it opens up more room to prioritize execute which feels good. RTS procs on sudden death should be 200% though

[vague stump]

yeah I like the SD execute that has to stay season 3 tww not pressing SD procs in aoe unless you needed BS cd made it really bad

I dunno I still feel like they need to change rek and rampage from costing less rage to do more dmg

like give it 200% dmg or somehing idk number

[worn yoke]

but 4 back to back rampages feels kiiiiiiiiiinda sick

[vague stump]

kinda boring for thane tho

fucking rampage clap

[worn yoke]

agre it does feel better in slayer than thane

[vague stump]

during cds is bad

[worn yoke]

i would have been on board with the thane CDR change on clap. just not the damage nerf

clap every 3 globals instead of 2 would be better to play

(tuning aside)

[uneven path]

Fuck MT

[vague stump]

like when I am in a pack I stuggle w actually pressing BB like I think I get like 1 or 2 presses of the key during rek window

[warped bone]

So doesn't this just mean the people that spent all roles before fix gets free gear?

[vague stump]

honestly thane is by far the more boring of the 2 to play but slayer is unplayable atm

the single is horrendous and the aoe is just miles worse

[opaque mortar]

Woahh

[uneven path]

What do you mean

[opaque mortar]

I spent mine first day early, didn't get bugged. Wondering if I'll be getting them back now

[worn yoke]

its hardly unplayable, single is on par if not better than thane, aoe only feels like 5% behind if that. And its defs more fun.

[vague stump]

single is worse and aoe is worse

let me show u sim quick

[warped bone]

i waited Pepehands

[magic prairie]

How many days again til we get new patch or blue post?

[tawny turtle]

So id say to make RB more applying to use in Slayer changing Bloodcraze to increase Ramp damage instead of BT might feel better overall

[magic prairie]

Really hoping they take a look on Fury

[uneven path]

Who knows but it's usually on Tuesdays I think

[magic prairie]

Ye but usually they release prior tuesday. Hoping here

[uneven path]

Idk I feel like we are really close to being good and fun

[magic prairie]

Ye

[uneven path]

To me it's RB

It needs better place

[vague stump]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/p5hYHkrExKGeEqFVP5gWKY
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Li2kmyTAsC6y7UpEpqpN2
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wxauxryhGQkz7hLoksKmpU
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jYv7Cg5L3tNJsg9uMNZZE5

top 2 thane bottom 2 slayer

[uneven path]

I would say just some raw unfiltered buffs for RB and slayer is Gucci

[vague stump]

like why lose 30k overall dps in 5 mobs for the same single

[worn yoke]

yeah so single is on par, and aoe 8% ahead

[tawny turtle]

Maybe a RB buff with a small rework to the RB side of our talent tree plus making Powerful enrage viable so we can hit really hard with the mastery buff which would increase both our Single and aoe at the same time

[worn yoke]

i agree, but it hardly makes it unplayable. people so dramatic

[uneven path]

Idk I never liked powerful

[vague stump]

I mean we are already a garbage spec for M+ and raid compared to arms why grief even more by playing slayer

[uneven path]

Plus I've been playing slury today and it feels like it excels at other things

[vague stump]

its unplayable in higher content.

[uneven path]

Like better prio DMG

[tawny turtle]

Yeah powerful with thane felt better at one point while Slayer def is all about speed

[worn yoke]

thane feels miles better in raid thanks to on demand far reaching AOE for sure

[tawny turtle]

Slayer feels fine on Vorasius if you prio more boss damage

[vague stump]

but you do exactly the same single target

w better cleve

[uneven path]

But worse prio

[vague stump]

how?

because of SD execute?

[uneven path]

Not only that

but slayer strikes as well

And BS

[tawny turtle]

Slayer just flows better personally. Thane def hits but getting so many thunder blast procs over smashing BT or BB is always interesting

[uneven path]

Casts BT/BB at prio target

[vague stump]

I could argue that maybe just maybe slayer would be better thane than on beloren burn egg phase

but I mean boss dmg is boss dmg?

[worn yoke]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hiUWiv2Vw6CKVpYmJE7SMp
I did a comparison between a few item options and slayer / Thane M+ specs. It put slayer on top for ST and Thane much further along for AOE as expected.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ogLeHafbkPBUEYMReExRbW

[vague stump]

I mean in M+ you just wouldnt lose 30k cleve for

[uneven path]

well its 30k on 5 mins straight

M+ is much more unpredictable

So it is less I would say

[vague stump]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vgiLAwb55qoYMuDME3VNcW
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hMpTpveZYWgQYKMezBRqG1

[tawny turtle]

sim cant factor in you having to do mechs or just run for your life cause the tank yolo pulled

[vague stump]

its even bigger over 1:30

the MS is nice as slayer

but idk I feel like 30-40k more cleve dmg is griefing

[worn yoke]

absolutely agree in content where it matters. and the range of clap is far superior to slayer cleave in raid

the more important query here is how this is comparing to arms becuase i stat swapped for arms this week and it feels horrendous i lasted 1 raid and i already want to come back to fury

[vague stump]

also depends I mean if I am running 15s or whatever in M+ i would play slayer because its just more fun to play

[velvet wasp]

Why is your multi target so low?

[vague stump]

but if I am pushing 20s I aint playing slayer

[uneven path]

@vague stump why

[worn yoke]

338k is low for 5 target 5 minute???

[velvet wasp]

With 282gs yes

[vague stump]

what u mean why? its massive for big dam events in M+ keys

[worn yoke]

send receipts pls

[uneven path]

3% attackspeed ?

[vague stump]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2bVAqc5MAry4AeTwojJ7Yc

w/o stance mastery

[tawny turtle]

the attack speed in a single target raid fight maybe but not full aoe

[velvet wasp]

Hold up we get nurfed?

[olive wraith]

Stance mastery is a defensive

[vague stump]

still what 38k lower than thane?

[velvet wasp]

Hold on a second I just ran mine last week I was hitting mid to high 300k now this sim saying 300k flat….

[worn yoke]

why's ur aoe so low bro (im memeing)

[uneven path]

Just sayin

[velvet wasp]

I have family agro…. And sitting at 275 lol

[vague stump]

the def stance change for stance mastery is massive tbh you cant ever die lol

[uneven path]

idk I am not really having issue on Fury with surv

[velvet wasp]

Mountain or slayer? Which the best?

[uneven path]

mt

[olive wraith]

Stance is better than ER

[velvet wasp]

And for single target?

[vague stump]

yeah for sure I aint taking ER

ever

[uneven path]

I am not taking ER

and no its not

Well

[olive wraith]

What keys are you doing

[uneven path]

Depends

[uneven path]

17s 18s

[velvet wasp]

What is your item level?

[uneven path]

281

[vague stump]

19s mostly for myself hence why I run it if I can

[velvet wasp]

What keys should I be at with 275

[olive wraith]

You’ll probably want at least one of the defensive if you go higher

[olive wraith]

Whatever your skill/team is able to do

[velvet wasp]

I run to many pugs it’s a hit or miss

[vague stump]

like I feel dropping barbaric training for stance mastery is deffo worth

like 3k aoe loss around the same single to legit never die

[olive wraith]

Probably less so for thane

Less worth I mean

Ya there’s no set ilvl req for keys. So it’s case by case basis

[vague stump]

just simmed it actually its quite a big loss for thane in aoe.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bwwAkLqiv2PB2ohoxyNWXw
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vgiLAwb55qoYMuDME3VNcW

1k loss single target tho

[olive wraith]

Ya cause tc is huge

[vague stump]

so idk maybe for AA knights in 20s

but outside of that probs not needed

[olive wraith]

Gotta swap out crushing force probs

[vague stump]

y idk if I feel like its really needed then I guess you have to drop massacre for ER but thats a pretty big hit for already bad single

[uneven path]

Looking at nox he didnt take it even on 20 AA

[olive wraith]

Dropping barbaric training is way worse than dropping massacre

For thane

[vast gorge]

should i run slayer on mythic raids if adds are dying fast?