#fury

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vestal root
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good

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i assume your ilvl is for that key level

spark coral
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im 278

vestal root
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ima be real ive had 90k overall mages in 14s so

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you the goat

unkempt oasis
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It is impossible to tell based off a meter and not knowing pulls

spark coral
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split the two worm packs

sweet palm
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Way too much mental gynastics to get nowhere

spark coral
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yeah your right actually

echo rapids
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Ret and BM steal so much cleave, seems fine

jovial mauve
vestal root
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guys look at it this way

it cant get worse can it

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buffs from now on

sweet palm
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You still swing you weapon all the time u just not BS it is not a bigie

echo rapids
vestal root
jovial mauve
sweet palm
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oh yes they are

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but you are making one worthless and another a god

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and it is not true

jovial mauve
# sweet palm oh yes they are

what do you mean? I'm not making anything a god or worthless, all I want is more consistent AoE profiles for slayer so I can feel useful

sweet palm
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there is the mental gynastics you are trying to convince youself of that

fleet garden
sweet palm
jovial mauve
jovial mauve
teal slate
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Really depends on the pulls the tank does for you to, at 280 in Thane I average 145k overall but sometimes my tank pulls just right I can squeeze to 155K. It's depressing when my buddy does 175k easily as demo lock lol

fleet garden
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Ye, with TB it's 268/1298. Not sure why wl hid it underneath thunder clap at first

jovial mauve
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so that's more than 1/4th of your offensive casts no?

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is that still an overexaggeration on my end, or is it safe to say I don't enjoy the thematics of thunderclap being one of my highest damage profiles

fleet garden
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I actually counted now, its 20% which makes perfect sense for a m+

echo rapids
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I wouldn’t mind if thunderclap was me slamming the ground with my weapons making a huge boom vs just stomping my feet

jovial mauve
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it's your 2nd most pressed button?

fleet garden
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Yeah, or if you hold your weapon up to the sky and lightning hits it with a boom

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Now you're just switching your argument. It's 1 out of 5 offensive actions, personally it's not overbearing

echo rapids
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It’s almost as bad as BM where half your globals are just pointing at shit

jovial mauve
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No, you're swapping your argument. I said I didnt like the theme because I want to swing my swords, instead of stomp my feet. You said it was 1/8 of your casts, now 1 out of 5, instead of just saying you press it the 2nd most out of all of your abilities lol

fleet garden
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And you do swing your swords, 80% of the time

hot shell
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I wouldnt mind if we get rid of that shaman feel and make warrior physical again

olive wraith
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It can be 2nd most casted and still be 1/5 overall

night marlin
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^

jovial mauve
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We're arguing with the theme of getting enjoyment of a button press. If the button press I don't like is #2, it doesn't really hold merrit

echo rapids
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I actually think the change they wanted to make to our TC cooldown reduction was good if they buffed damage

olive wraith
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I think TB should actually blast

fleet garden
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Yeah, they could definitely change it to make it less emphasized but they have to do work then

olive wraith
echo rapids
fleet garden
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Blizzard can't even afford Claude

jovial mauve
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? blizzard is using claude 2.0 for sure!

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maybe subscribed to claude classic? KEKW

night marlin
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I wouldn't mind if avatar was baseline and your hero talent basically changed the avatar to be a titan version of the hero talent theme

fleet garden
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I assumed they were use gpt4 so they can get positive reassurance no matter what they do /s

jovial mauve
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I think slayer should get ravager and bs, really give that meatcleaver feel. Nodders

night marlin
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Ravager and rend need to be deleted

slim coral
vestal root
unkempt oasis
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I asked chatgpt to help nerf us because I was curious, and it is pretty adamant about keeping us target capped at 5.

supple glen
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make whirlwind great again

unkempt oasis
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Bastard

supple glen
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4s cd, big dam

vestal root
jovial mauve
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what if slayer used 3 2Hs instead of 2?

vestal root
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they would reduce our dmg to compensate for it

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nothing would change

unkempt oasis
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One in the... mouth?

vestal root
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zoro style

jovial mauve
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No, one clenched to our butt cheek that we can attack people from behind

vestal root
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what if race has no propa butt

jovial mauve
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even better

vestal root
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waiting for naga as race, idgaf about transmog on it

jovial mauve
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Well I'd hope you dont care about tmog, you'd never get any

fleet garden
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4 2Hs, for the swordchucks. go full 8bit theater

jovial mauve
fleet garden
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have to have personal loot just for fury warriors so they could get enough weapons lamo

jovial mauve
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replace RB with shattering throw so I never have to hit a pally's divine shield in bgs/arena ever again

vestal root
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bow that shoots 2h weapons as ammo

fleet garden
jovial mauve
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now we're cooking something productive in the fury discord

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We should be able to stealth with the 4 2Hs or the big bow correct?

vestal root
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we should also have 20y range on rampage

jovial mauve
vestal root
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so we are like UH and ret

fleet garden
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only as night elf, gotta get people buying those race changes somehow

vestal root
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noooooooooooo

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fuck

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but what if i wanna go draenei

night marlin
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A weapon throwing spec would actually be pretty cool

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Chucking axes and daggers at stuff lol

vestal root
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id like another class that uses bows and guns at least

night marlin
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Maybe a javelin/spear

vestal root
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hunter exclusive kinda blows

fleet garden
vestal root
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i am

sullen dove
vestal root
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i dont need a skill reason i just like demon goat aliens that are also pretty

fleet garden
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I started in tbc with blood elf so you don't have to convince me

fleet garden
sullen dove
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are lightsabers not in essence swords

fleet garden
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ehhh, sword v lightsaber is just a blowtorch vs metal stick though

maiden sphinx
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any1 who has progged mythic crown, have you tried running slayer or strictly just stayed thane

spark coral
sullen dove
maiden sphinx
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my guild is running into issues where p1 the minibosses are taking a bit longer to die than they should and was wondering since slayer does a bit more funnel vs thane padding if it would be worth at all

sullen dove
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they just need more grips/taunts

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under bosses

maiden sphinx
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but uh

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was just trying to see if I Could squeeze more dmg as slayer on big add

sullen dove
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yea i mean a well timed reck/bs will almost certainly do more dmg to big adds than anything thane could ever do

bitter palm
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man this patch is such a mess its insane

sullen dove
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but what i found best for me (as playing arms) was i used cs and then nothing elsea nd then used ava/bs like 20ish seconds in when cs came back

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imagine doing something similar for fury good

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like odyns pull use that as your like benchmark of when to cd when it comes back

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mob should have like 6-8 stacks

maiden sphinx
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yeah what I was doing with thane just sending odyns raw

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thanks for answering btw @sullen dove

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ima try that tn and review logs after 🙂

sullen dove
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yea another pretty common problem is ranged attacking them and if they're extremely unethical like hard blasting them and killing them out in range before they're near boss or if they're less subhuman they may just be getting aggro on them and you see like 10+ chilling out in range meleeing 1 guy and ideally those people just walk under the boss

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hard for tanks to pick up aggro on a big group like that so far away

maiden sphinx
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yeah

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we have a blood dk and unholy for grips

fleet garden
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and they just spawn everywhere

maiden sphinx
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and me and a ret paly have been taunting when we can

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but the scuffed 5 melee comp 🙂

slim coral
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@compact knot we're locked in first two pulls

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compact knot
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holy

teal slate
spark coral
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👏

dry hawk
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12 seat O.o fun game

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rare flame
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Arms might genuinely have worse ST than Fury in M+

dry hawk
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I guess when you Prio BB/BT over TB depending on mob count shit just fucks

rare flame
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All the arms in my keys today were boxing to the death with tank in single target

modest condor
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might?

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it was so far behind that even an 8% buff didnt get them close to fury

rare flame
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my fault og

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yeah their shit is fried

trim moon
dry hawk
pliant jackal
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what a buggy mess of a patch

echo rapids
# pliant jackal what a buggy mess of a patch

Almost impressive how throughly buggy it is. Class gameplay bugs, crafting bugs, loot system bugs, bugs with existing raids and dungeons, bugs with all their new side filler side activities

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They even brought back fixed bugs like the crafting not giving correct ilvl items

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Heck there’s bugs with gathering professions and finesse, they touched every aspect of the game with their shitty patch

dry hawk
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anyone else getting 600+ MS in instance combat rn

hot shell
wraith sentinel
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ive never seen anyone use these ever, is this a trap or do i send for the 0.4% dmg gain

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pearl sequoia
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ive been using those for awhile

wraith sentinel
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copy that ill send em

remote haven
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Are they also simming good for Arms or only Fury?

young swan
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better for arms than fury tbh

teal slate
vivid pollen
worn yoke
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i committed to the arms swap (recrafts, calalysing, gems chants etc) yesterday and i already miss fury so much. The moment a buff comes to scrape us off the literal bottom im coming home

versed harness
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Does reap the storm damage not show up in details or warcraftlogs? I'm just not seeing it anywhere

worn yoke
versed harness
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Was thinking it was bugged or something.

dry hawk
fathom stirrup
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Is mythic gaze better than heroic puzzle for m+ in high keys?

bright ledge
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am i having placebo effect or thane is hitting with wet noodles after patch?

spark coral
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I feel like im doing more dps now

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But i may just have gained skill

bitter palm
wraith sentinel
wraith sentinel
stable stump
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Guys, with the new patch whos better Arms or fury?

spare steppe
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whatever brings you joy

slim coral
stable stump
slim coral
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If you are really good at Colo in m+ it’s pretty nasty

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You can play thane as fury and do 20s just fine

magic prairie
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you guys still using the talents on Wowhead for M+??

vivid pollen
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Colo cleave way better than thane

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But you need a group willing to tolerate your tank boss dmg

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Well, slightly better than tank since the patch

sage ridge
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Just get high enough keys where tanks pull onto boss

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And if they don't, they can't be mad, it's their fault you did tank dps

warped trout
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Any tips for heroic bel Zerg as fury? Or I’m forced to go arms?

inland flame
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I don't think there's a big difference tbh

hot shell
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Potion, pray for crits for high enough burst to not get kicked out of one egg phase okayge

wide delta
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wish the free bloodthirst procs weren't so seemingly inconsistent

stable stump
velvet wasp
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Single target and 8 targets…

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Does that look right?

inland flame
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What are you asking? Does that look right for your specific gear?

velvet wasp
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Fury thane. Compared to others

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What numbers yall looking at

inland flame
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I'm 278 with myth Puzzy and hero Plume and I got 397.6 on 8tar and 87.5 ST

velvet wasp
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275 gs and feel like im not enough yet lol

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I have hero puzzle and champ whatever that is. But also have myth void ring and hero light

pliant jackal
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trinkets are dog

wide delta
pliant jackal
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right trinkets add like 3k dps

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for st

velvet wasp
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So I’m excited to get there also have a champ belt still. Should I craft belt at this point or wait?

wide delta
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wait for reroll at this point

velvet wasp
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I need to finish the forge haha I’m at 4/6

night marlin
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I'd craft a neck since you can't get a haste mastery one aside from aleria or midnight falls at a myth track

spare steppe
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Ugh no chimmy tonight

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Why can’t folks just kick

fading sky
dense torrent
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Is there a point in waiting until the bonus roll bug gets fixed if i'm just going to use 2 of them on the mythic chimerus raid anyways?

modest condor
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you would do well reading the #news channel

dense torrent
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oh nice W

keen kindle
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also

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reroll bug should be fixed

echo rapids
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Folks I just replaced a Champion Crucible with a myth gaze

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life is good

worn yoke
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has anyone seen a sim setup for every single spec and hero spec for every class full BIS ? like results for each best ST hero build for each spec int he game in full BIS (bonus points if it has 2,5,8 targets also)

ember leaf
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blood knight's armor kit or forest hunter's? aint stamina better

narrow hound
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Why is fury so bad? I parse between 95-99 in heroic and mythic raid and I‘m still one of the lowest dps in raid group 😤 😭 😭 😭 😭 Rampage

worn yoke
narrow hound
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Ye sadge sadgers

edgy widget
teal slate
worn yoke
smoky vale
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any updates on checking if rts is bugged

edgy widget
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with the amount of bugs and issues currently plaguing the game, you can be certain that some things will be wrong

smoky vale
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keys feel unplayable

edgy widget
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but it's also key to remember that sims are not necessarily reflective of actual content either - they never have been, and they never will be

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nor are they directly comparable to one another, since different classes and even specs often have different amounts and quality of work put into them... which is kind of a natural result of largely unorganized volunteer work

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quality aside, there are even philosophical differences to consider, since some maintainers believe in treating sims like a minigame to push the highest theoretical number no matter how feasible, while others believe in aiming for more realistic behavior that better simulates an actual player

sudden tusk
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waas hoping for tuning patch this week but

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if they gotta put out this many fires then... might be a wrap for next week

unkempt oasis
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look at the bright side...

lean heart
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mannnnnnnnnn

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sullen dove
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5 seconds off hard enrage critcake

quasi fractal
tiny seal
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good morning fellow s tier warriors

quasi fractal
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Fury is S tier in my heart and thats what matters

echo rapids
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No one has as many hands worth of weapons

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NO ONE

gentle badge
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like i genuinely need help understanding lmao, at last boss we wipe on 17 windrunner, overalls...me as fury 126k, havoc at 150 and ret 161, why am i so far behind, im waiting for my log to load so i can ask for more help but holy shit its tilting, im pressing tclap on CD in 6+ and then 5 under doing normal rotation. i have myth weapon and hero weapon, vorasius trinket and windrunner spire trinket

olive wraith
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Getting gapped by ret is understandable

tiny seal
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havoc is in a good spot too

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just isnt played because ddh is absolutely busted and got buffed even more

gentle badge
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granted theyre obviously better players

olive wraith
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Isn’t yoda a tank

gentle badge
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not this season lol

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well hes brew and ret

celest halo
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Yeah but even that… is a person who generally mains tank vs someone who has played nothing but warrior for a millenia

olive wraith
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How is crit holding up against qrva

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Oh looks like he full swapped to arms

unkempt oasis
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It is pretty easy to get Rets BIS trinket for mythic since it is puzzle box. So comparison probably isn't very fair.

sullen dove
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eh i mean pbox is probably pretty close to bis for warrior too for m+

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if u are in coordinated group that times big pulls and stuff around it its def insane

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just annoying to use

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and obv wont see as much mileage for pugs

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still ok there tho

unkempt oasis
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But they aren't running it. Which is why I mentioned it.

slate cobalt
olive wraith
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Afaik

tiny seal
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people underestimate fury in m+

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its a completly different dmg profile compared to col arms

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but very consistent

slate cobalt
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its just the higher key you go, the better the colo profile is too though. Less small pull, more focused big ones

eager stirrup
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What is more accurate for trinkets? Bloodmallet or sims?

tiny seal
slate cobalt
golden mural
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Sub rogue in my guild sims 15.5k higher than my fury. Feels bad. When are we getting buffed.

slate cobalt
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Probably just a matter of time. Our single target are way below average.

golden mural
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I’m praying. In M+ I’m doing competitive damage. Obv being capped at 5 targets is stinky but we can still pump but ST is just meh.

olive wraith
golden mural
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Thane

slate cobalt
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Usually blizzard prioritize raid tuning over M+ tuning, so thats pretty good news for us copium

olive wraith
gentle badge
worn rain
gentle badge
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my sims have fury ahead of colo arms in both aoe and ST

tepid beacon
olive wraith
tepid beacon
eternal compass
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Enchant wep

hot shell
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Enchant Ring

olive wraith
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Our opinions on stats mean nothing

tepid beacon
tepid beacon
slate cobalt
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yeah I would sim. Good example is that it was telling me to enchant and gem mastery on everything. Now I have too much and it wants me on other stats instead.

hot shell
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Do a droptimizer. Im sure there is a better neck than the vers neck

tepid beacon
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yep someone else said that, the neck is bad

worn rain
slate cobalt
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Also your rings suck, so might want to look into mythic rerolls on Nexus

lusty pike
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Do PvP chain, gives you hero neck haste mastery

olive wraith
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Pvp items all have vers I think

lusty pike
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Nope

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The one from quest doesn't

hot shell
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Not the one from the quest

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And even then - pit neck with crit haste also huge

eternal compass
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No no thee neck from quest is juicyy

lusty pike
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😥

hot shell
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I can confirm i have it 3 times. One normal one with speed and one with avoidance

lusty pike
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Shut up. Really? Gz

worn rain
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if you delve there is alternative

hot shell
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Yeah. I ran pit like 40 times tho to Grab arms gear too

tepid beacon
unkempt oasis
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No one gonna mention the trinket?

slate cobalt
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the set bonus makes it very strong. And it also is great if you ever want to do Arms

tepid beacon
slate cobalt
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the problem is good trinkets are mostly from raids, so didn't want to mention it

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and I am a puzzlebox hater 🤣

unkempt oasis
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The one from skyreach is perfectly reasonable

tepid beacon
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been trying to get that honestly, spammed like 8 times

hot shell
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Well, Solarflare is good and if u hate puzzlebox... vorasius and chimaerus are freeloot

tepid beacon
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but will go back and do it again

unkempt oasis
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Solarflare is good. I have a myth puzzlebox in my fault that I have been staring at for 2 days, so I can't fault people for not taking it.

hot shell
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EVRRYONE hates puzzlebox. If i wanna hardcast shit id play frostmage

slate cobalt
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yeah I got lucky with mythic solarflare in my rerolls this week. Had puzzlebox sitting in my vault. Thank god I didn't have to take it

tepid beacon
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These are the rings currently equipped, are they that bad? I did sim but it hasn't suggested anything better at +10s at least

Maxroll also recommended occlusion of void as an alt drop

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bitter palm
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sim droptimizer

tepid beacon
slate cobalt
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I would sim, but for reference hes an example list of most popular fury rings usage in high keys

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tepid beacon
slate cobalt
tepid beacon
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ah nice ty

bitter palm
tepid beacon
lusty pike
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Is switching to arms in the patch's aftermath a thing now?

hot shell
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It has been before and it still is.
Arms is better than fury in mythic+ and SOME raid encounters.
Fury is still perfectly viable

compact knot
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you can play fury in everything if you arent pushing +22's rn or a hof guild

hybrid wharf
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They are pretty equivalent right now, trash in ST and very good in multi target.

native island
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So sim says to take hero plume over champ puzzle box. is that pure because of ilvl? it seems box gives more mastery, but plume sims higher. im confused

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native island
quasi fractal
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especially when you actually approach the DR which box definitely puts you in

native island
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Im sorry what is DR?

quasi fractal
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Diminishing returns

tiny seal
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diminishing return

quasi fractal
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you get less for your mastery past like 1340? I think

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then it sequentially gets worse and worse the higher you are above it

native island
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Ah right. So plume is better in this case? i think the highest factor is that i hate using puzzle box cause it disrupts my flow of opening and rotation

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and if i have to use it mid fight, i stand still doing nothing

quasi fractal
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I would imagine it is, probably also helps that you dont have to stand around for 5-6 seconds per fight and can actually cast

native island
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exactly

tiny seal
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in raids i would prefer plume but as the fights get shorter/burstier box might be better

lusty pike
native island
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since i have you, i have another question if you dont mind. I have 40 hero crests left (im capped) would you pick to make plume 6/6 with that or make this ring 6/6 or have both be 5/6?

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lusty pike
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Tho fury is outperformed by arms on paladins and/or cosmos ?

quasi fractal
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In general i think trinkets especially good ones like plume tend to be higher prio

native island
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yeah i figured something like that

quasi fractal
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Since they also give main stat

native island
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thanks for your time mate 😄

quasi fractal
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cantrip items like the ring set and the voidclaw hands can be worth a bit more but id imagine its still strength> all else

native island
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yeah i already maxed the voidclaw hands at myth 6/6

quasi fractal
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yeah i got lucky out of vault this week on those too

native island
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i got a few locked slots already which is nice. got myth tier chest, myth hands, crafted bracers and crafted wep

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myth belt too

quasi fractal
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i think im gonna try to sneak into myth chim and blow my rerolls on those for the next few weks

native island
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ooooh myth gaze

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by ilvl alone you could get in right? im like 278 rn

knotty crag
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Swap to prot so only 3 items in pool for chim

native island
knotty crag
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Yes

native island
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oh snap that actually works?

quasi fractal
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Yeah it drops the other trinket

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off the loot table

native island
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sick, i used one bonus roll already tho so cant do it in raid

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ill try next week

quasi fractal
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I used both of mine in mags this week but im definitely raid farming it the next few weeks

sick pagoda
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does the embelishment behave/proc the same as offhand?

quasi fractal
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I believe so

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i think most fury abilities if not all technically use both weapons

pearl lance
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Yes it does

grand estuary
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DO NOT use the rerolls... they arent fixed that blue post is a fucking lie

lyric lily
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Does improved Bloodbath do more damage than Rampage?

pale vigil
quasi fractal
grand estuary
knotty crag
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When was the first roll?

grand estuary
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And ticket response time is 2.5 days. And that's still a maybe if they will even help

native island
quasi fractal
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i read that same level keys were working properly but if you rolled on two different levels it could mess up, but I didn't do it so idk how right that is

grand estuary
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I don't remember. Either earlier today or last night

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No I did two 10s

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Got the same pants twice

knotty crag
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Only the rolls from after the fix removed that item from pool

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The previous rolls didn't remove it yet

quasi fractal
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i just got lucky then, if they dont retroactively add it no shot im using my rerolls on mags again lmao

knotty crag
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"We’ll have more information to share tomorrow about this issue and the next steps we’re taking to remediate the situation for affected players."

grand estuary
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It was a fresh character too literally any other item wouldve been a huge upgrade

knotty crag
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Either they just give everyone a extra roll or they shrug their shoulders

grand estuary
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Yeah I'm expecting a "get fucked nerd"

kind crystal
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how accurate is wowanalyzer ?

quasi fractal
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pretty sure everyone who lost their crests on recrafts earlier this season got hit with a get fucked

honest trail
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I mean, it's just loot

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That you wouldn't have before that anyway

grand estuary
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I mean its just the entire point of the game. Sure. Why even comment that useless bs

quasi fractal
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real

honest trail
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Ah

knotty crag
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Fury wars need every .6% increase we can get

quasi fractal
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i dont think expecting the system to work how they told you it would and getting upset when it doesnt work is unreasonable

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just me though

honest trail
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Nah sure it is annoying

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But it's fine to just wait

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And enjoy what we got for now

grand estuary
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If I rerolled knowing the bug was still an issue that's on me, but they made a post saying it was fixed and I still got fucked

sly merlin
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did u get leech or avoidance on one of the pants

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idk if that was part of the bug but i heard it counted that as seperate items at one point

knotty crag
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"It is now safe to roll on loot. Newly rolled items will now correctly remove the item from the bonus pool." Only the rolls after the fix remove from pool

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But the wording is fucked to say it's safe now but not retroactively fix the rolls

tiny seal
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there is a good chance you will get payback as it is clearly the mechs fault KEKW

grand estuary
sly merlin
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damn

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u got fucked then

grand estuary
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Yeah I logged off. Extremely upset. I was counting on those big items bc I'm in full champ gear. So two myth items woulda been a huge boost

tiny seal
#

frustrating 100%, but you will get compensation from the the ticket

#

i know the bluepost was lying then but it also says that affected players will be taken care off

kind crystal
#

is there some kind soul that would be willing to coach me on my warrior fury / arms, I really struggle to perform in raid currently

graceful rapids
#

Probably start by checking out the wowhead guide

kind crystal
#

this was done, it is mostly understanding what I am doing wrong, I feel like I got the priority right, I have some proper parse and some are disgustingly low, I am trying to understand what went wrong.

graceful rapids
#

Drop a log into the log and review channel

#

Someone will break it down for you

digital mauve
#

Do you think fury gonna get buff?

dense elbow
drowsy heron
#

one day ill get the gaze trinket

thorny verge
#

Is it possible that we scale better than Arms in thr long run. All that Mastery is pure dps increase 🥹

dense elbow
#

Warrior scales with gear

grave lantern
#

Do i get a benefit from using a voidcore on a +12 more than a +10 or is it the same myth track 1/6?

snow edge
#

Same

#

No difference

grave lantern
# snow edge Same

Thank you, do you know what people are using them on? Right now im not mythic raiding. I was thinking doing nexus for possible myth track pieces to cata and mainly for the 2 rings. Didn't know if there was big meta all the furys are using em on

quasi fractal
#

On the guide terrace was one of the best

#

Basically everything but the cape is good

#

2 tier pieces, we tier our belt, mainhander, haste mast shoes, and a haste mast ring

grave lantern
#

Good comms

#

tier belt meaning we cat it for good stats?

quasi fractal
#

Thats on the bis list yeah, but obv thats only assuming you have every other bis piece for stat balancing which 99% of people wont have.

grave lantern
#

Right now im just gearing i started this week im only 667

quasi fractal
#

Even not considering that 4/6 drops are all basically BIS as far as M+ goes which is a decent ratio

#

Oh yeah youll definitely be fine basically anywhere then

tardy lark
#

🐀

grave lantern
#

267* :P

quasi fractal
#

As long as you dont get useless trinkets

grave lantern
#

Yeah thats what i was worried about from nexus, that trinket and bracers cloak would suck because craft

quasi fractal
#

Best bet is probably mags then, i think skyreach also isnt too bad off the dome.

grave lantern
#

Use rolling 3 items on terrace seems like best value

#

Skyreach has a slightly worse weapon but has the decent trinket and helm shoulders hands so that wouldnt be bad, only bad drop is a cloak

#

But arent those 2 nexus rings bis? Wouldn't it be in my best interest for max bis to just roll there since im gonna need to roll for those rings anyway?

quasi fractal
#

I think early on its probably more about maximizing your usable gear that you can get vs gear that would really suck. Mags just has the most usable stuff.

undone flower
grave lantern
quasi fractal
#

If i didnt have mythic track items on any of the slots besides the cloak really on mags i wouldnt be mad about getting any of the items

undone flower
grave lantern
#

I think skyreach is the best choice then. Weapon, 3 myth track tier slots and the trinket is one of the better ones out of m+

grave lantern
undone flower
#

Like -> if you want the ring sets, roll nexus point and don’t take those items in your vault

quasi fractal
#

The cloak is also technically our bis from skyreach but again bis lists and all that are only useful if you can put it all together

undone flower
#

I think magister is a good dungeon to roll just bc it has lots of heavy stat item you can catalyst

#

Same with seat but it has so many doggo items

kind crystal
dense elbow
#

It is being kept by BigB, so yeah it is still useful

grave lantern
#

im between nexus magis and skyraech

undone flower
#

If you plan to play arms

#

Pit

grave lantern
#

Im a big arms hater

undone flower
#

You need to do 33 dungeons to catch up heroic crests and a lot too for myth ones, you can just wait lil longer and hold your rolls

grave lantern
#

Not really, but unless arms is SUPER ahead of fury i usually dont go it

#

I see no value in holding unless im holding for eventual myth raid clear

undone flower
grave lantern
#

I know how they work

#

we going skyreach

undone flower
#

Yeah it’s just, you can’t roll back to back in raid, it is not rly good to hold for it

grave lantern
#

3 pieces are tier i dont have, 1 is a wep, 1 is the 2nd best trink from dungeons and the last is my technical bis cloak

#

so i dont think i lose doing it

undone flower
#

Sure go for it

#

If it seems the best for your character

wicked eagle
#

Is arms quite ahead of us in raid now?

edgy oasis
#

is fury bugged? i swear im doing far less dmg? like are the Raging stacks actually working?

brave island
kind crystal
#

question on parse accuracy on chimaerus? i believe logs used to be skewed when people were on other realms, is it still the case or was that fixed long ago ?

vestal root
#

so bonus rolls still bugged for dungeons or?

wicked eagle
steep shale
#

I was simming some gear yday, gaze hc and mgt wep myth 289 (or what the cap is cant remeber lol) cause i wasnt sure what to use bonus roll on, trinket gave me almost 4k dps and wep gave me 400 dps, same on aoe sim, isnt wep as big for fury as it is for arms ? I only have crafted wep + hc mastery/vers

burnt oxide
#

The second weapon is not thaaaaat important if it is already hc

wicked eagle
#

Gaze all day, I’m still using the shitty puzzle box and it’s tilting as all hell trying to use it mid fight

steep shale
#

Ye I though so too so makes sense, yeh using puzzle box now aswell and I hated it since df lol feels so bad pressning it sadge

arctic portal
vestal root
#

i wish i could get a chimaerus mythic kill

#

one day

uneven path
vestal root
#

i did yday

#

for 3 hours

uneven path
#

Uf

vestal root
#

shocker, people cant do mechanics

uneven path
#

I bonus rolled chest

vestal root
#

its one piece i dont want from him

#

i got myth chest from vault already

uneven path
#

Next week it's 50/50 no way I don't hit gaze right clueless

vestal root
#

nowai

flat river
#

Wait you're NA

#

Mb

steep shale
vestal root
uneven path
flat river
vestal root
#

hahahaha

#

nope

flat river
#

XD

vestal root
#

im the 3rd or 4th xan here

#

but im da real one

#

just Xan

#

back to pugging for me maybe ill beg a CE group to accept me lule

#

i wanna practice it anyways

uneven path
#

First kill will be hardest, the you can just show your archive and get into good pug

undone flower
#

Cheat code : create the group

vestal root
#

well gotta keep trying, you dont get good by doing nothing!

uneven path
#

Otherwise you just follow your tank

vestal root
#

i god intermission and everything its not hard at all

#

madness usualy ranged take care of

undone flower
#

You can carry your group by insta wreck throw the far add yep

#

Then you just shockwave/ kick they ded

uneven path
vestal root
#

interrupts is unironically the only tricky part but also ranged do that fast if they are playing with monitor on

eternal sundial
#

i am spartacus

vestal root
#

phil!

undone flower
vestal root
#

ofc its not hard

#

go to designated spot

#

wow, insane

#

normal trials in ffxiv got harder mechs

undone flower
#

There is no kicks in FF

vestal root
#

yummy numbers on that fight if i can pad, other than that i can have the lowest boss dmg 🥰

#

actually there are on some bosses but tanks do it

#

maybe its time to actually find a guild or group of players that wanna do some stuff, my guild is just because of friends here but mainly all are midcore, i dont need to be CE raider 2nd week but id like to do some bosses and have group for higher keys

undone flower
#

CE raider 2nd week is world first guilds

vestal root
#

my bad

#

i forgot

#

lole

#

pugging gets tiring after some time

eternal sundial
#

play healer

vestal root
#

and its hard to improve through pugging too, not impossible but defo harder

undone flower
#

It is such a waste of time bc it’s unfun

eternal sundial
#

dont kick just heal

#

so chill

vestal root
eternal sundial
#

why you got my name u french canadian freak

undone flower
#

It’s even worse if healer, you can’t carry the noober with silence and kick

chilly sapphire
undone flower
#

Kek

fading bane
#

Day 1 CE

vestal root
#

well i dont gotta be hall of famer but CE is nice nevertheless

undone flower
#

Im HoF chim okayge

vestal root
chilly sapphire
#

Secured myself a day 2 CE, pug made a guild for the hof memes.

undone flower
#

2 days CE is nice but long prog can be insufferable for some

vestal root
#

i dont mind progging but 20 man is a lot of ppl

#

mythic raiding would be way more popular if it was 10 man

#

like insanely

#

i hope the new upcoming mythic flex is gonna be baller

undone flower
#

I hope they still end up with a fixed number, whatever they will choose in the future

vestal root
#

10 maybe low for class variety i guess but maybe 12 would be sweet spot

undone flower
#

10 is low for wow raiding

vestal root
#

we had 10man raiding for years

#

it was swell

undone flower
#

Even 15 I’m skeptic

undone flower
vestal root
#

lot of people just cant be arsed with organizing 19 people

#

i know its the standard nowadays

undone flower
#

19 is already less than 20

vestal root
#

i mean 1 + 19 lol

undone flower
#

And you need more than the actual number or you will have some issues raiding

vestal root
#

i think 14 would be middle ground maybe

#

but i guess thats why they need to test it

undone flower
#

18 would be middle ground

#

If you go low on player number boss design would need to change to something we never saw in wow

vestal root
#

maybe thats a good thing

burnt kelp
#

didn't they destroy all addons to change boss designs

vestal root
#

lot of MMOs with lower party sizes got amazing mechs

#

not messy very fluid

burnt kelp
#

still waiting for them to fix the damn nameplate and details, btw

vestal root
#

lost ark, ffxiv, gw2

#

lot of mechs in wow are just aura fiesta and bullshit you barely see

undone flower
vestal root
#

because there are 19 other dudes

vestal root
undone flower
#

Not rly

vestal root
#

yes rly

burnt kelp
#

objectively subjective

undone flower
#

More ppl play wow than other mmos

burnt kelp
#

but even if I agree wow is the better mmo, lost ark is a shit game cuz of everything around the raids

#

the raids themselves are amazing

vestal root
#

yeah because sunk cost fallacy and addiction

undone flower
vestal root
#

i guess crack cocaine is better than salad too

burnt kelp
#

more people enjoy orange juice than lemonade

undone flower
#

Yes that’s why crack cocaine is a better drug than salad

burnt kelp
#

making oranges an objective better fruit

vestal root
#

yep thats how it works

#

popularity = objective quality

undone flower
#

I never said quality

#

Better game

burnt kelp
#

better in what way then

#

other than quality

undone flower
#

At gaming

burnt kelp
vestal root
#

???

#

define gaming

#

whats gaming to you

undone flower
#

Playing, having fun

vestal root
#

some people have fun shoving hot coal up their ass too

burnt kelp
#

playing and having fun are subjective things

undone flower
#

Yes that’s why the game all those subjective opinions choose to go = the better game

burnt kelp
#

again, lost ark is an overall garbage game for a million different reasons, but the raids and fights aren't one of them

vestal root
#

WoW is a relic and the most iconic MMORPG of our era, however WoW players are addicted to it and crave that high they've had when they played it the first time, im not saying the game is bad by any means but saying its the best of the bunch is just reaching

undone flower
#

Lost ark gameplay is goat tier

chilly sapphire
#

Hitting stuff in lost ark be satsifying, sound 'n all.

#

think only ret really captures the sound part in wow atm, hits sounds powerful etc.

vestal root
#

beetles are one of the most iconic bands of all times, they have some of the shittiest songs/albums ever

heavy dock
burnt kelp
#

lost ark raids are so good, there's very few fights in wow that are as funny as any of the demon commanders

#

and they are 8 people fights

vestal root
#

WoW has a very hard to approach endgame, not very clear goals and a generally asocial community, you guys here talk way more than people talked to me ingame for a decade

undone flower
heavy dock
#

its true tho

vestal root
heavy dock
burnt kelp
#

lots of people dislike ff14, but almost everyone agrees their raids are great and they are 8 man raids too

undone flower
#

I like ff14 and their raids

vestal root
#

only reason i came back to the game this xpac was removal of WAs and addon pruning, becuase i adore raid encounters that dont need external stuff for me to do a mechanic

heavy dock
#

brelshaza gate 6 hm was peak best fight ive experienced

vestal root
#

thaemine hm is top 3 mmo raids

undone flower
#

I didn’t play until brelshaza

heavy dock
#

havent done thaemine just saw vids

#

looks fkin crazy :D

vestal root
#

its mental

#

and the fact that every mech and pattern is recognizable

#

it just makes learning easier

heavy dock
#

yea god forbid we make actual clear indicators and stuff

#

wow needs to be obscure knowledge

vestal root
#

meanwhile wow mythic raiding ui

3fsf3ymt3d231.png
heavy dock
#

and needs addon to translate the fight

#

the thing with x number of hp bars was honestly genius

#

from lark

vestal root
#

ffxiv also has insanely cool mechs and indicators, which i see wow is also starting to adapt

#

stack, spread, etc

heavy dock
#

with wow its hit or miss if devs remember to add clear edge swirlier or frontals

vestal root
#

nexus point frontals be like

#

gamba

undone flower
#

????

heavy dock
#

9/10 times u will get a few they forgot to use the new swirly model or match the color with the floor

#

2nd boss in skyreach too

#

those goddamn golem arcs

#

like what is that xD

vestal root
# undone flower ????

the lothraxion images have that frontal light blast that has an unclear range indicator

undone flower
#

It lights up the floor it’s gonna hit

vestal root
#

also some aoes get swallowed by stairs or something

heavy dock
#

the one on the bridge especially if u pull him down the visual gets cut by the bridge

#

so funny

burnt kelp
#

yeah but there's 2 of them you fight on the weird bridge thing

vestal root
#

yeah

burnt kelp
#

and the light goes inside the bridge

#

so you don't see it

trail bane
#

Guys the unholy dks in my guild are dooming about uh dk being bad

tiny seal
vestal root
#

skyreach the gale casters aoe can get swallowed by the floor

trail bane
#

I want to jump off a cliff

vestal root
#

cry

burnt kelp
#

they'll be good again tomorrow

vestal root
#

they will get fixed AND buffed dw

trail bane
#

They still deal 20% more damage to bosses than fury

burnt kelp
#

( even with 20% less damage, they are still ahead of you in single target )

vestal root
trail bane
#

Even though they deal 20% less dmg than they should

heavy dock
#

its ok blizz cares for their uh dk babies so they will fix them instantly maybe even apologize for the bugs

vestal root
#

they didnt even acknowledge warrior bugs

burnt kelp
#

yeah but you can do more damage than warrior and still be bad

tiny seal
#

its ok boys they dont have a raidbuff

#

they need it

#

its fine

sage rune
trail bane
vestal root
#

yeah they got AMZ and battleres

burnt kelp
#

its in the name DEVorer

vestal root
#

there is no dev

tiny seal
#

nono they dont have a raidbuff they need everything every patch warriorbrain

sage rune
#

true, their teammate is unholy

vestal root
#

its chatgpt

heavy dock
#

its been decided

vestal root
#

devs are smoking a bong in the office

heavy dock
#

but uh prob main alt xd

heavy dock
tiny seal
#

this is as close to the mage, aug priest meta in df as it gets no?

#

and that shit was bonkers

burnt kelp
#

this looks like the vanilla graphs

image.png
#

where fury warrior deals double the damage of everyone else

#

but it's dh now

chilly sapphire
#

hero spec buff

undone flower
#

Prot war missing in this chart

heavy dock
#

looks like mop tot primordius chart

vestal root
cold sparrow
#

Hey I want to craft a cape, should I give it bis stat or stat from the bis cape ?

heavy dock
#

ok maybe NOT that drastic xD

image.png
tiny seal
#

why is balance on #2 btw what the hell

sage rune
uneven zenith
#

hello, new around the discord but are the fury changes enough to swap up our talents for m+?

undone flower
vestal root
#

talents are same for m+

burnt kelp
#

checking damage to bosses, just for fun

image.png
heavy dock
tiny seal
burnt kelp
#

do remember, the unholy dks will do 15% more damage tomorrow

sage rune
uneven zenith
#

what abt raid

vestal root
#

same

heavy dock
tardy lark
vestal root
heavy dock
#

so it does that dps + boosts others or is that counted too?

undone flower
tardy lark
#

if you want boss dps for any reason, you slot in an extra aug

vestal root
#

aug is so giga busted its not even funny

#

that spec carries so hard in m+ too

tardy lark
#

so their personal + the boosted dps

heavy dock
#

ngl i think vengeance was a funny af mechanic

vestal root
#

Combat Rogue

#

bring it back

heavy dock
#

sure it was broken but lol

undone flower
#

No

heavy dock
#

it was hilarious seeing tank do x3 dps of top dmg dealer

undone flower
#

Don’t bring back things from when the game was worse than today

burnt kelp
#

I don't play rogue so I can't say if they prefer combat or outlaw, but they have the worst hero specs design I've ever seen

#

either throwing coins ??????

heavy dock
#

arguable, mop was good expac

undone flower
#

Arguable every expansion after mop are better than mop

tardy lark
vestal root
#

i played rogue decent amount prefer combat even if i like the idea of swashbuckler pirate fantasy, my friend who mains rogue for 20 years loves combat, my 2 guildies who played rogue in classic also combat

burnt kelp
#

that's objectively false

#

since wod exists

sage rune
burnt kelp
#

and bfa

tardy lark
#

i think you're pretty alone in that viewpoint

burnt kelp
#

and shadowlands

heavy dock
tardy lark
#

im pretty alone in my enjoyment of SL

burnt kelp
#

I'm sure some people can lie and say they enjoyed bfa, but nobody can even defend wod

vestal root
#

you should be

undone flower
burnt kelp
#

since blizzard themselves admitted they stopped working on it before it even came out

#

to focus on legion

#

so wod is objectively a scam

#

you paid for a full expansion and got 1 patch

heavy dock
#

man i cant wait for legion classic

#

fury war was peak

#

in legion

vestal root
#

nah im good

#

artifact power, legendaries

#

ewww

heavy dock
#

those will get fixed

burnt kelp
#

you didn't even say the worst feature of legion

#

titan forging

#

and that was never fixed

vestal root
#

n oooooooooooo

#

odont remind me

heavy dock
#

sure but

#

im sure that wont happen again

burnt kelp
#

surely

heavy dock
#

they made thunderforging in mop be purchasable with valor

burnt kelp
#

yeah but that's not the same

vestal root
#

"surely balance will never be as bad again"

"surely they wont release bugfests again"

heavy dock
#

sure, but i can see em adding cap/doing smth about it

vestal root
burnt kelp
#

what are they going to do in legion classic, let you buy fully ilvl maxxed arcano crystal?

heavy dock
burnt kelp
#

it's a world boss trinket, not like you can find a fair way to get it

heavy dock
#

maybe they add vendor to where u turn in legendary for it xd

#

who knows

#

but im sure they will do something

vestal root
#

ill say though

sage rune
#

why would they make it fair when it originally wasnt

vestal root
#

Nighthold? peak raid

heavy dock
#

mop got a lot of qol updates/fixes to the shit stuff about it.. at release

#

then got abandoned

vestal root
#

one of the best ever

heavy dock
#

indeed

vestal root
#

antorus id like more if it wasnt for some snoozers and eonar

heavy dock
#

i didnt do antorus personally

#

destiny 2 came out and i went to that xd

vestal root
#

ahh

#

D2 my old love

#

good that i dropped it

heavy dock
#

since i played d1 a lot

vestal root
#

went from racing for world first in it to dropping it completely

heavy dock
#

yea i stopped d2 in early lightfall

#

i came back final shape to do story then dropped it after i saw i still have to do same activities ive been doing for 5 years lol

tardy lark
#

basically i dislike most of what has been done this xpac

#

if i didnt love my guild, i would've quit as soon as warrior felt horrible to play

vestal root
#

i think dragonflight was better than tww, more approachable and more fun

#

but thats me

burnt kelp
#

I like the m+ rotation this season

vestal root
#

same

burnt kelp
#

they are all very fun except algetar

heavy dock
#

i like tww cuz i rly like thane

tardy lark
#

classes can suck as much as they want, as long as i like the company, the game is kind of whatever to me

heavy dock
#

but s2 DF fury was very fun

vestal root
#

s3 df fury vibed with me

burnt kelp
#

I just wish warrior was allowed to do single target damage and details+name plates worked

#

I'm not asking for a lot

undone flower
tardy lark
heavy dock
#

i like midnight cuz its easy to get gear and shit's kinda easier but raids are very boring imo

undone flower
#

If you understand what I mean

heavy dock
#

m+ aint the most enticing either

vestal root
tardy lark
burnt kelp
#

yeah, bfa had so many features

#

that makes it a good expansion

heavy dock
burnt kelp
#

you can do islands, warfronts

#

farm azerite gear (that doesnt work)

heavy dock
#

💀

burnt kelp
#

do 5000 islands to be allowed to equip your near chest piece

#

oh wait, blizzard just nerfed that azerite trait

vestal root
#

benthic gear

burnt kelp
#

your bis chest you got from your weekly chest is now useless

tardy lark
undone flower
vestal root
burnt kelp
#

I don't think anyone has ever said that

tardy lark
#

been mythic raiding since highmaul and been with my current guild since S1 of SL

burnt kelp
#

you may be the first human to say bfa is better than legion

heavy dock
#

honestly lol

tardy lark
#

(slight 2 tier jump to a top 20 guild)

#

new = better

#

i get it

vestal root
heavy dock
#

new isnt always better tho

burnt kelp
#

and I'm like the number 1 legion hater

#

cuz my all the legendaries I got were tank legendaries

tardy lark
vestal root
#

i like legion but i think many only remember the good things about it

burnt kelp
#

and blizzard hard locked your character at 4 legendary items without telling you

undone flower
burnt kelp
#

I hate legion so much, and I still wouldn't call bfa better than it

vestal root
#

bfa was so unfun for me and my friends

#

feel like everyone was just annoyed

heavy dock
#

am i the only one who found juggernaut to be fun

burnt kelp
#

bfa did something no other expansion managed to do

#

make people quit for good

heavy dock
#

esp with the legendary ring with masscre where ugo execute>rampage>execute>rampage

#

was hilarious to me

undone flower
#

I liked juggernaut, you are not alone

burnt kelp
#

I mean the legendary pants that made you do execute>rampage was fun

vestal root
#

shadowlands did that to most of people i know, to this day most didnt come back or just perma raiding in ffxiv/gw2/whatever else

burnt kelp
#

but juggernaut wasn't part of that

#

juggernaut just made execute deal no damage until you have high stacks

heavy dock
#

my best memory of legion is when i first killed pug hc kiljaeden and i reached 54 jugg stacks

undone flower
heavy dock
#

legs just gave u some rage back form rampage

vestal root
#

i was a paladin player in legion so i cant recall the warrior then

burnt kelp
#

maybe, I don't remember which legendary did what exactly

vestal root
burnt kelp
#

but yeah juggernaut already didn't start great, but the more gear everyone has the worse it gets

undone flower
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I don’t think SL was a bad expansion, sanctum is maybe the worse patch they ever made tho

vestal root
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wasnt end of legion also giga unbalanced? like afflilocks double leggos being busted and whatnot

burnt kelp
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i mean, not just the end

vestal root
chilly sapphire
burnt kelp
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unholy dk did tank damage first tier if you didn't have glove legendary

chilly sapphire
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I've never taken a break from wow, until SL.

burnt kelp
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fury wasn't much better until nighthold

vestal root
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awful story, bad gameplay loop, shitty covenant system, classes felt bad, legendary system was shit, borrowed power system was shit

heavy dock
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SL was the only expac i fully skipped also :D

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since i started

undone flower
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I skipped DF keks

chilly sapphire
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I can handle bad lore, if game is decent. But when both dive.

burnt kelp
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SL did the very funny thing of locking your roleplay to game mechanics

chilly sapphire
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God it was hard.

vestal root
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i couldnt handle even bad lore shadowlands felt so out of place

undone flower
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Lore is bad since a while

vestal root
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warcraft was so iconic in its artstyle and fantasy, suddenly shadowlands is like something from jrpgs

chilly sapphire
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Yeah, it did irreparable damage.

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And the zones were mentally taxing to boot.

vestal root
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its good that we timeskipped, and every1 forgot about it

chilly sapphire
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fucking korthia.

tiny seal
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especially s1

next mica
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ye i lost all kind of hope when they turned lich king crown in crown of gay friendships

vestal root
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arthas and uther damaged beyond repair

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sylvanas still existing

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holy

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lore is shite!

undone flower
chilly sapphire
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You can see the drastic shift in lore mid bfa->SL.

heavy dock
vestal root
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wasnt the main writer a guy who was giga goombaing to sylv?

tiny seal
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yea it was atleast enjoyable for fury

chilly sapphire
heavy dock
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all the spell reflects in m+

tiny seal
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i remember being absolutely mocked in sl s1 tho for playing fury that time

heavy dock
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ahh i loved it

vestal root
vestal root
next mica
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arms condemn spam n1

burnt kelp
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arms didn't do any damage either

chilly sapphire
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I don't usually entertain belluar vids to much, but the one on SL is literally just mapping out late bfa/sl to a 1:1 with the writer's old mmo.

vestal root
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condemn was SL

tiny seal
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arms was good later on but warrior in general was turbo ass in sl early on

vestal root
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tbf SL balance was some of the worst

chilly sapphire
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week 1 venthyr in pvp tho

vestal root
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every1 was balanced around their covenants

chilly sapphire
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then it got deleted.

vestal root
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i guess end of bfa was giga unbalanced too but at least in a fun way

next mica
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week 1 venthyr in pvp was ass cause rogues were 1shoting anything and lets remeber convoke

vestal root
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i remember seeing videos of full tank raids with some corruptions making them do crazy stuff

burnt kelp
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holy paladin one shotting you

chilly sapphire
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Warrior specifically, imo suffer from the same design cycle. Neglect in beta/alpha. Finally restored through touch-ups / tiers et last patch of the xpack. Feels great, wrecked in alpha and repeat.

burnt kelp
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hunter one shotting you from behind a wall

vestal root
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fire mage too

burnt kelp
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rogue had like 4 different one shots from the 4 covenants

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and they just swapped every time one got nerfed

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like a damn wack a mole machine

chilly sapphire
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Yeah rogue was gnarly.

tiny seal
chilly sapphire
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and they still had the gall to complain about being bad.

vestal root
next mica
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it was way worse then now and sub best class right now by far

vestal root
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then again MM got a mini rework now apparently and pepos say they are way worse or something

burnt kelp
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well usually reworks nowadays mean

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removing a bunch of abilities

chilly sapphire
vestal root
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retouch a lot of talents too

burnt kelp
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and MM already didn't have that many

vestal root
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rend, ravager, bunch of shit talents

chilly sapphire
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They reworked zenith for monk too, now you can manually stomp.

granite tiger
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even with new hotfix we still play Mountain instead of slayer in M+ ?

vestal root
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yeah

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unless you prefer slayer

chilly sapphire
vestal root
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then go wild

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gap is not that wide

chilly sapphire
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Or arms, if you got a tank.

vestal root
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slarms can do well regardless

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but atm arms is bugged

next mica
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what changed for thane?

vestal root
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because .5 happened

chilly sapphire
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nothing

vestal root
granite tiger
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cause reap of storm still have low chance to trigger ?

vestal root
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still triggers on SD

chilly sapphire
granite tiger
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how about arms still playin demolish ?

vestal root
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and bladestorm more dmg

vestal root
next mica
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slayer noticeably better now then thane ST?

vestal root
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because every season they shuffle which button is your prio and wheres your power in rotation

granite tiger
vestal root
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or play fury anyways

chilly sapphire
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I wouldn't be opposed to odyns or something becoming a rage spender too.

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Let's us shift power around abit.

strong monolith
vestal root
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remove rend, make rampage cost more but be a BIG damage skill, so you dont spam it, buff RB, remove or rework dumb talents

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buff execute to be good again

next mica
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that sounds very boring

chilly sapphire
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Yeah, whoever designer had the rend fetish needs to get reprimanded. The amount of times that shit gets shoved into our spec.

tiny seal
eternal sundial
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what does shifting rampage cost do

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just tune rage generation same effect

chilly sapphire
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This makes me think of the fan-made talent tree; had some great execute talents.

eternal sundial
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(we loved 95% reck tier in DF)

eternal sundial
chilly sapphire
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Yaeh.

vestal root
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atm its silly how you use it on 100 rage or specific other scenarios why not make it cost 100 and actually hit real hard, and make BT and RB your common skills

chilly sapphire
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Think it was that one at least.

tiny seal
vestal root
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its supposed to be your big spender but you spam it all the time

eternal sundial