Well we are the only one with +5% AP for the party/raid. That's meta adjacent, right?
#fury
dim spindle
olive wraith
Some people have been saying they’re getting no reap procs from their ramp
dense elbow
When I press WW, I rend, it feels neat - neat is good, good is fun, fun is bad. Should be removed. Clearly a bug.
drowsy heron
they really need to buff RB
vestal root
no they dont
olive wraith
They do
vestal root
no amount of buffs will fix it
dim spindle
Oh and don't forget our rallying cry. META
olive wraith
Rotational button shouldn’t be THAT bad
dim spindle
But at least it does something now
unkempt dagger
Oh and don't forget our rallying cry. META
Tbf its actually decent nowdays
vestal root
tbf shout and cry can be also used by protwarriors :D
unkempt dagger
With changes to healing
olive wraith
Problem is Blizz always seems to overcorrect
dim spindle
tbf shout and cry can be also used by protwarriors :D
Hey, you. Get off my cloud
vestal root
dense elbow
tbf shout and cry can be also used by protwarriors :D
Yeah, but that is why warrior needs heroism and CR 
dim spindle
Don't mind me, I'm just trying to do my part to lift my brother in fury's spirits. Some would say it's denial. Or cope. TO them I say... yeah you're right.
merry lotus
Look I’m just here hopping we have the most broken tier set next season and we are loving life
uneven path
Look I’m just here hopping we have the most broken tier set next season and we a...
Wait for S3
rare garnet
Don’t be OF
uneven path
That is fury season
plain nacelle
Can we just get thunderous roar Back and remove champion sword or whatever it’s called since the entirety of our builds revolve around bleeds XD
uneven path
Can we just get thunderous roar Back and remove champion sword or whatever it’s ...
fuck roar
rare garnet
Can we just get thunderous roar Back and remove champion sword or whatever it’s ...
fuck roar
plain nacelle
Fuckin Walmart
vestal root
remove rend
dim spindle
I just hope the current shortage of hopium is resolved soon. Hard times
night marlin
Yeah get rid of bleeds entirely
small tinsel
thanks yeah cant figure it out this patch has messed something up
merry lotus
We want bonk sticks to bonk again
lean heart
thanks yeah cant figure it out this patch has messed something up
yup both CDM TTS and boss timeline TTS are fucked up
plain nacelle
We really just need a support spec that shouts at people to stay alive tbh
plain nacelle
Zdps shouter
vestal root
its not
dim spindle
this patch is well tested
Tested... yeahhh
vestal root
on ST you still press it
rare garnet
Rend deez nutz
vestal root
ok
olive wraith
Hope we get execute tier for slayer next season
rare garnet
You’re a fury warrior I won’t even feel it
plain nacelle
Aug needs competition guys
dim spindle
"FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE" - Ion, probably
frank dawn
Odyn's Fury does 100% increased damage when hitting targets below 35% health
rare garnet
Odyn's Fury does 100% increased damage when hitting targets below 35% health
OF has a 20% chance to reset the cooldown of OF. Make us gamba.
olive wraith
Funny thing is hack n slash change is so good
dense elbow
OF has a 20% chance to reset the cooldown of OF. Make us gamba.
I hate you
olive wraith
Rb is just ass
dense elbow
so much
dim spindle
btw, real question... are we allowed to swear in here? It's not really specified in the rules
vestal root
fuck cock
olive wraith
Fuck no
dense elbow
I mean, fuck it, try
dim spindle
Ok good
dim meadow
Question answered
plain nacelle
I just do as my fellow warriors do
rare garnet
watch 8 people get banned now
dense elbow
no rayseesm though
Nelf is BiS, you know it - I know it, EVERYONE knows it.
dim spindle
It wouldn't be very furious of us to be heavily censored
vestal root
Nelf is BiS, you know it - I know it, EVERYONE knows it.
sorry, draenei babes always win
because hot
dim spindle
sorry, draenei babes always win
hmm
rare garnet
because hot
Goat fucker
dim spindle
I guess if you don't look below the thighs, sure
dense elbow
sorry, draenei babes always win
L virgin goat lover take
dim spindle
Do Draenei have the demonic irises that real goats have?
tardy cipher
Is new reap the storm even fucking works?
I swear I have not seen it procing once in a dungeon
Maybe some sort of visual bug idk
vestal root
no
vestal root
L virgin goat lover take
can say L but not virgin
dim spindle
Looking at a goats eyes is truly akin to staring into the abyss of hell
plain nacelle
Yeah it procs with sudden death execute
dense elbow
I mean, they are spiteful and hateful creatures, true assholes that eat all your shit
I love em
tardy cipher
Yeah it procs with sudden death execute
Yes, I know, I have seen these procs
But also should from a Rampage on 3+ targets...
olive wraith
Is new reap the storm even fucking works?
I swear I have not seen it procing onc...
Test on dummy
dim spindle
Goats in general are alright I guess, but billy goats... harbingers of evil.
They drink their own pee to assert dominance
Which is pretty chad I guess, but ugh
frank dawn
it definitely does proc from the rampage, but I'm not convinced it's proccing correctly
junior oyster
Did someone just assert that drinking piss is 'chad'
rare garnet
Did someone just assert that drinking piss is 'chad'
STFU and drink some piss you fucking loser
plain nacelle
Yeah 20% chance to RNG a proc so 1 out of 5 should unless stuff just dies too fast or bad RNG 🤷
nova vessel
it definitely does proc from the rampage, but I'm not convinced it's proccing co...
^ i’m genuinely waiting for a hotfix
junior oyster
STFU and drink some piss you fucking loser
rofl
dim spindle
Did someone just assert that drinking piss is 'chad'
They'll stare you right in the eyes while they do it. Their aim is immaculate.
IF that isnt chad I dont know what is
spare flame
have they fixed the damn bonus roll giving duplicate items yet or
dim spindle
have they fixed the damn bonus roll giving duplicate items yet or
Not sure, I would hoep they'd make a blue post about it
It's kind of a big deal
spare flame
ya
dim spindle
I'm not risking it until then
spare flame
i just did a magister and used one, got an useless ass pants
plain nacelle
There is quite the shovel of bugs to clean up so I don’t know how to answer that
idle pagoda
what should we play, slayer???? 
plain nacelle
Unholy DK was also bugged
rare garnet
have they fixed the damn bonus roll giving duplicate items yet or
Blue post: there is no bug. These are not duplicate items. Each roll generates a new potentially similar but not duplicated item.
dim spindle
what should we play, slayer???? <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
Whatever is most fun for you. But the real answer - probably thane
idle pagoda
Whatever is most fun for you. But the real answer - probably thane
sadge, kinda bored of the MT
dim spindle
I believe the aoe diff is still pretty wide
rare garnet
sadge, kinda bored of the MT
I’m just going in as 3rd tank
dim spindle
Just not as wide as before
fading sky
Blue post: there is no bug. These are not duplicate items. Each roll generates a...
What
dim spindle
The safe thing to do if you really want to use those rolls immediately is just use them in 2 difference dungies
Unless the bugs follows you...
Surely it will be fixed by next week at the latest. Surely.
rare garnet
Unless the bugs follows you...
Imagine rolling a second MT item at the end of a NPX
rustic smelt
night marlin
Nah chim is a joke as long as you interrupt the adds
frank dawn
Imagine inviting a fury warrior to anything in the year of our lord 2026 and the buggiest patch in the world of Warcraft
covert coyote
yeah but imagine they fix it so you can't get dupes but it still didn't remove the first item you got. and because you rolled twice and got the same thing you now need to get it a 3rd time to actually remove it from the table
rare garnet
Imagine inviting a fury warrior to anything in the year of our lord 2026 and the...
We’re moving to a faster patch and content cadence and no quality will lost as we move forward.
dim spindle
We’re moving to a faster patch and content cadence and no quality will lost as w...
Yup, that's what I heard
Surely, they can follow through
This is merely a setback
honest dirge
guys a little question? i tried on Dummys. RB is rly good now with BT no Proc but i dont know sim ist kinda not working so what do we play
rare garnet
guys a little question? i tried on Dummys. RB is rly good now with BT no Proc bu...
RB > Ramp > BT for sure
dim spindle
Do you have the same RB that we do?
Wait a second... is RB bugged?
This might be our leap back into the meta, guys
covert coyote
talkin' about rambage?
dim spindle
lol
rare garnet
Claude, how many b are in rampage?
vestal root
bambage
dim spindle
Sorry to tease, but I think we need a few more details. Not sure what exactly you're saying
covert coyote
That's a great question, based on my sims there's at least the one at the start of BRRRRRR
long parcel
i had a weird moment in +13Academy... Sometimes my Fury would deal normal damage with his 300k Bloodbath Crits and sometimes i was just dealing 200 dmg hits. And yeah i mean 200 Dmg - it was no debuff, no affix, nothing. Could this be a bug?
dim spindle
i had a weird moment in +13Academy... Sometimes my Fury would deal normal damage...
hmm. I can say my dps was suspiciously low a couple times in the 3 delves I knocked out last night at times but I chalked it up to a debuff I didn't notice and/or the damage meter doing it's thing and being garbo. Although the numbers on the screen were sus, too
spare steppe
Nah chim is a joke as long as you interrupt the adds
See that’s the challenge
How do I get others to interrupt
dim spindle
But I didn't see any literal 200 damage hits, more like 30-40k when it should be 5x that
vestal root
How do I get others to interrupt
i offer to do it but still dont get invited ez
hot shell
Those world quests for catchup gear are arse.
I farmed 500 tokens just to realise the stuff is soulbound, not warbound 
dim spindle
This patch really is amazing. Blizzard kicked everyone to the curb and the entire population is now homeless. The bugs themselves have bugs. Etc
long parcel
But I didn't see any literal 200 damage hits, more like 30-40k when it should be...
the lowest was like 200ish hits. Normal instanced stuff besides m+ and world activities feel pretty normal - laggy but normal. Normally +13 isnt a obstacle for us but this time we didnt had a chance to finish the run in time. i hope i auto logged that run...
dim spindle
the lowest was like 200ish hits. Normal instanced stuff besides m+ and world act...
Let us know if you did log and find anything untoward. I haven't run anything beyond those delves to finish the voidcore quest but those low damage moments did catch my eye
It was intermittent, damage would be back to normal after combat and into the next. Then low again, 2 or 3 times. Which made me think debuff but I'm pretty damn sure I've never seen that before in delves
unreal wasp
anyone else have broken dmg meters? Mine just aren't working
dim spindle
The harandar delve in particular, was my last content of the night
long parcel
Let us know if you did log and find anything untoward. I haven't run anything be...
i definetly logged that run - thers's a log file but its completly empty. thats... weird.
serene cloud
My log from last nights raid only just populated with info today. Maybe something funky on the log side of things
dim spindle
"To address balance concerns we have disabled logging across the board. There is nothing wrong, it is the community that is wrong."
rare garnet
"To address balance concerns we have disabled logging across the board. There is...
Based as fuck
long parcel
"To address balance concerns we have disabled logging across the board. There is...
sounds like an official statement - wait for it.
dim spindle
They don't even need to disable the damage meter for obvious reasons. It's just there for vibes
pliant prism
with BT no longer doing reap does that change anything we do in slayer
rare garnet
First they came for housing and I did nothing. Then they came for logging and I did nothing.
dim spindle
Buuut that damage meter does cause distress in some players, so...
Okay I'm done, might just manifest something with these "jokes"
serene cloud
All I currently know is that Thane feels comfy, Slayer feels annoying, so I'm rockin Thane for now
dim spindle
All I currently know is that Thane feels comfy, Slayer feels annoying, so I'm ro...
Preach
frank dawn
I love Slayer, but the man speaks true
lots of little annoyances
plus dog shit tuning
dim spindle
I'm still enjoying thane for now. I have the benefit of not being around for the introduction of hero specs (or whatever they're called", just came back towards the back end of S3 TWW
Was a prot enjoyer for a good chunk of my early wow career so "comfy" is actually a good word for it
serene cloud
It doesn't help that I'm the only warrior in the guild who is raiding, and the guild is set on their tanks. I'm a shoutmachine who occasionally taunts Alleria adds because we also only have one DK
dim spindle
We throw hammers, too. That's something
frozen scarab
rogue lowkey aint looking too bad to roll rn...
serene cloud
Oh, just more meant it's a bonk gif - I agree, hammas good
royal copper
Slayers is the new ST?
frozen scarab
hell no
dim spindle
Oh, just more meant it's a bonk gif - I agree, hammas good
Oh, thank goodness. Thought my feelings were in danger
frank dawn
not really lol, Thane and Slayer are basically identical ST while Thane is always better on AoE
so
dim spindle
Wrecking throw does have that satisfying "chonk" sound
serene cloud
Can be fun too
dim spindle
Always fun getting the KB on a straggler caster 20yrd away from the pack sitting on 1% health
royal copper
Okay, that makes sense. I felt something was off during the raid today, but according to the patch notes nothing major seems to have changed as MT*
dim spindle
Can be fun too
Oh yeah I've had that glyphed since... wotlk? Pandaland? Don't even remember when they became a thing. Alzheimers sucks
Too bad they buried most of the others. I want my crow feast damnit
cold dune
IF anyone is keen to help out a fellow furry enjoyer could you have a look at the log I posted for my mythic boss kill and maybe just help me understand what im doing wrong in my rotation for my parsse to be quite low
worn rain
Too bad they buried most of the others. I want my crow feast damnit
what's wrong with that?
cold dune
XD you spotted that did you
small tinsel
Although i want to be buzzing about getting 99% parse on heroic crown ofthe cosmos could this possibly be due to the patch and not many have done it yet lol ?
stoic loom
Although i want to be buzzing about getting 99% parse on heroic crown ofthe cosm...
ive only done hc crown once and got a 97 with 98k dps
so if u did do 150k dps i'd imagine its a legit 99
night marlin
Although i want to be buzzing about getting 99% parse on heroic crown ofthe cosm...
Show the rest of the meters
small tinsel
cheers man nice feeling now im no longer using any Heikili or highlight assist and actually just learning the rotation
small tinsel
Show the rest of the meters <:monkahmm:1382590600439664751>
like from the rest of the team ?
stoic loom
i mean i suspect theres something going on tho
because the rank1 heroic crown log as of 2 days ago was 124k
vestal root
well logs reset too
stoic loom
ofc
vestal root
and i think they changed ruling no?
stoic loom
but the r1 log from 20th of april was 124k dps
vestal root
now adds on crown dont count or something
stoic loom
and now this guy did 152k? lol
small tinsel
yeah i dont think its right lol
small tinsel
just seen others in guild all clumped at 99's
vestal root
small tinsel
well regardless i think last few weeks ive been sitting at between 85-95% on it but this week i had madd addon issues and sounds bugging out which was originally main reason for questioning as it didnt feel great yet had a better parse ha ha
stoic loom
I'd imagine theres not a lot of insane gamers still killing hc crown tbh
so that'll help u parse
vestal root
yeah i didnt kill it yet
because pugs are trash
spent almost 3h monday
went insane
next mica
asumeing rerolls go into chimera and vorasius?
vestal root
depends on your items
indigo totem
Parsing well on heroic crown is just self reporting
frozen scarab
watdatmean
undone flower
ember leaf
next mica
only issue i have with that is that il get them eventually anyway were if i start rerolling into m+ i can get that out of the way faster
indigo totem
watdatmean
P1 damage is all that matters for parse and the only way to do P1 damage is to turbo pad.
vestal root
warrior gameplay
small tinsel
I'm trying to use wow analyser to fix the mistakes i do make and better understand my rotation
Literally clear as day where I'm messing up is not pressing rampage enough i think im getting baited into pushing execute instead of rampage when thunder blast/clap or BT/BB is not available
I don't like how it says over 1000 rage is the a way i can see how much rage i had at the point of pressing it ?
unreal onyx
https://giphy.com/gifs/fide-gukesh-domaraju-svWocsCsepPbQgAMHX
dont worry, I got a 0 log as arms on paladins
rank 70/81 in 12.0.5 rn
night marlin
like from the rest of the team ?
Yeah, but was just a joke no worries
unreal onyx
(wouldnt have happened as fury)
cold dune
I'm trying to use wow analyser to fix the mistakes i do make and better understa...
O nice what site are you using?
chilly fractal
My guild has been in for Paladins prog… I don’t wanna lol
small tinsel
Yeah, but was just a joke no worries
the full squad was way higher than usual so think it was defo wrong
small tinsel
O nice what site are you using?
cold dune
https://wowanalyzer.com/report/RYj6KTkMFQa9wHhd/13-Heroic+Fallen-King+Salhadaar+...
Thanks man!
small tinsel
This 1 but just submit your info if you've had a log recorded from a raid
Its super useful to me but im not 100% sure how accurate it is etc. hense asking here but the mistakes it is telling me about does make sense as that dont fall in line with my rotation.
Think i need to turn the execute glow off as its baiting me hard i cant snap out of the mindset of BUTTON GLOW MUST SMASH BUTTON 🤣
cold dune
This 1 but just submit your info if you've had a log recorded from a raid
Its s...
Yeah I gave it my character now and its super helpful to see where you messed up XD been looking for something like this
woven kelp
whats up with the low proc rate of reap from rampage ? did like 30 rampage and got something like 3 reap procs ? like what
modest condor
they just released the buggiest patch in wow history, there are probably 5 bugs with reap the storm alone
chilly fractal
they just released the buggiest patch in wow history, there are probably 5 bugs ...
wasn't the 20th anniversary patch absurdly buggy
static shuttle
they just released the buggiest patch in wow history, there are probably 5 bugs ...
good bug or bad bug
spring fog
Damn arms is not giving me the same flow as fury does, if only fury was better 🙁
uneven path
wasn't the 20th anniversary patch absurdly buggy
Not like this
Feels like every class has something wrong with it
We know about arms, I feel like reap, dks, dhs, rogues, monks, firend that plays destro is saying somethings off about immolate, resto shams got only 15% and list goes one
magic prairie
anyone feeling that the gfame is a bit off since the update?
flat river
anyone else rampage not proccing reap?
uneven path
anyone else rampage not proccing reap?
It is proccing just super low chance
toxic jewel
It is proccing just super low chance
im testing again, and i've yet to get a proc, been goin at it for about 3min lol
uneven path
im testing again, and i've yet to get a proc, been goin at it for about 3min lol
We shall suffer for the sin of playing fury
fringe linden
"Haha oops, CoPilo---I mean one of our Devs forgot a 0! Fixed an issue where Reap was a 3.00% instead of 30.00% chance."
frank dawn
uneven path
"Haha oops, CoPilo---I mean one of our Devs forgot a 0! Fixed an issue where Rea...
Nah Sloppilot is gamer
frank dawn
well, would you look at that. We're gonna have to nerf Fury Warrior again
vestal root
✅
toxic jewel
well, would you look at that. We're gonna have to nerf Fury Warrior again
we're already at the bottom for raid lol and they tune based on raid
rare flame
whats the play on bonus rolls boys. Ik its inefficient but im half tempted to just brute force seat until gauntlets drop 😛
vestal root
use droptimizer i guess
lilac osprey
the play is wait until they actually fix them so they dont drop dupes anymore
kind crystal
it can be avoided if you keep farm thr same key level
rare garnet
whats the play on bonus rolls boys. Ik its inefficient but im half tempted to ju...
I’m not even using till I have enough crests to utilize. I’m dry on crests and only 5/6 on my chest. Might as well wait to see my next vault.
lilac osprey
everything is broken just come back next week and hopefully things will work
rare flame
Yeah its a wait angle for sure
Hopefully gauntlets just come in vault seat is full of so much vers dogshit
serene cloud
I insta-blew it on heroic Chimaerus - surely this wont backfire spectacularly
rare flame
Bro. You NEED to be studied.
Now you’ve sequestered yourself into spending it again on Heroic
uneven path
im testing again, and i've yet to get a proc, been goin at it for about 3min lol
Any luck ?
rare flame
Smartest fury player ig brudda zugzug🙏🏻
toxic jewel
Any luck ?
i've had 2 in the span of almost 10min
uneven path
serene cloud
My guild does nothing with Mythic raid content at all, so I'd have to hope I can pug it as a DPS warrior
dense elbow
plz no
tight roost
Was fun ngl
toxic jewel
better than what it currently is lmfao
left sage
Fury finally on top now above Arms
toxic jewel
Fury finally on top now above Arms
no its not
left sage
According to Warcraft Logs for yestreday it is
rare flame
My guild does nothing with Mythic raid content at all, so I'd have to hope I can...
Even then, heroic dreamrift is a one shot pug, raw stats are way bigger upgrades than a heroic trinket, getting 2x myth pieces a week is better than a chance at heroic gaze
toxic jewel
According to Warcraft Logs for yestreday it is
we're barely ahead in raid
and uninvited in keys
lmao
left sage
Still above arms
serene cloud
Even then, heroic dreamrift is a one shot pug, raw stats are way bigger upgrades...
Oh for sure, I very much should have waited. Tired zug brain went "chance for shiny?!"
toxic jewel
almost resil 16s and i cant get into 12s for crests lmfao
rare flame
left sage
I join as arms then swap to fury during the key countdown.
lmfao
rare flame
almost resil 16s and i cant get into 12s for crests lmfao
Wow players cross referencing meta tier lists across multiple websites, looking at MDI comps, checking logs and past season performances before inviting me to their 6 where they bottom dps and ask “need?” on plate gear despite being mail:
toxic jewel
Wow players cross referencing meta tier lists across multiple websites, looking ...
yeah, its awful
left sage
Wow players cross referencing meta tier lists across multiple websites, looking ...
100% it sucks
rare flame
Sometimes ill even apply to 10s that are running phys comp w no war buff, leader is under-geared plate so i note “can trade”, theyre waiting on one last dps to start the key, ive done the key on a 16, and still no invite
Idk wtf is going through ppls heads?
left sage
I have heard that Classic Players are the worst at the game. After seeing Retail M+ groups cleary that isn't true
flat river
after 2 min on dummies
frank dawn
Something is def flubbed with reap
bitter palm
idk for me its insanely inconsistent like i understand its 20%
but sometimes it just doesnt proc in a pack at all
as arms
oblique thistle
Possible bug?
I was always a bit confused how they would manage to code rampage only proccing reap on cast but at the same time also setting a condition where it has to hit 3 or more targets
dense elbow
after 2 min on dummies
Take the logs from the dummy and check casts of rampage vs proc rate, to see if it is behaving unintended or not
bitter palm
i logged dummies as arms and its working as intended
but in keys it just feels so bad
u genuinely do 0 aoe without bs
flat river
Take the logs from the dummy and check casts of rampage vs proc rate, to see if ...
how do i log dummies
dense elbow
activate loging, doing /combatlog, then end the event with another set of /combatlog
unborn hearth
dang I spent last week getting gear for arms, got passed over on myth gaze because everyone said arms was the new raid spec, and then theres like no difference
oblique thistle
dang I spent last week getting gear for arms, got passed over on myth gaze becau...
We exist to kill vangaurd thats p much it
left sage
after 2 min on dummies
I've noticed Reap being really inconsistent as well. I'd say it has a ~12% chance on prior experience
unborn hearth
We exist to kill vangaurd thats p much it
I guess its good thats what we are progging rn lol
flat river
activate loging, doing /combatlog, then end the event with another set of /comba...
here, i did press execute reap once by accident
plush maple
Idk wtf is going through ppls heads?
left sage
dang I spent last week getting gear for arms, got passed over on myth gaze becau...
With the release of Patch 12.0.5 Fury is performing a little better than Arms at the moment
floral silo
good god that balance
worn rain
I miss tww already
dense elbow
here, i did press execute reap once by accident
30 ramps would be 6 hits, 6 reap procs hitting 5 targets is 30
if we assume a 20% proc rate
flat river
according to this reap dealt damage 4 times, one of which was an execute reap proc
dense elbow
Looks aight to me, you just lowballed a small sample size run
flat river
Looks aight to me, you just lowballed a small sample size run
wait let me show u my maisara caverns run
ffs it shows it was 16 seconds only
stupid addons
ill run another run
and upload it
uneven path
Hero
dense elbow
With SD procs, you would sit at what, 10-12% reap dam of total
Reap looks fine to me
flat river
With SD procs, you would sit at what, 10-12% reap dam of total
Reap looks fine ...
reap was 6% for me
lower than rend
dense elbow
reap was 6% for me
you done a run in, what will this be, 12 minutes?
From what I have seen, reap has gone from 12-15% overall, to 8-13% overall.
Keep in mind that BS raw damage also went up from like 9-11% to 12-14%
So that will push things down.
Rend usually sits around 4-5% dam done
outer crypt
15 seat not that bad
flat river
why are warriors not even mentioned in that wowhead post
cause we don't matter
vestal root
dense elbow
Ngl, reap looks to be in a more healthy place
dense elbow
dont forget the BB hits
spare steppe
why are warriors not even mentioned in that wowhead post
What Wowhead message
vestal root
dense elbow
It do be the truth
hot shell
"Specc that topped the charts now topping the charts with 12.0.5 buff!"
What a surprise
austere pebble
I just tried slayer fury out god it feels awful having to rely on rampage on 3 or more for reap procs
dense elbow
To be fair, they got bugs out the wazoo, their nerfs didnt hit and so they get a billion %dps mods from souls
BigC, wdum. You feel not having reaps on BT on ST is that bad?
austere pebble
I feel it's single target is even worse yea of course.
dense elbow
In what situation is there a problem that Ramp "only procs on 3 targets" on AoE? That is the odd 2 target fight, that very very rarely happens
I personally love just WW, ramp, ramp, ramp 
feelsgood just mashing
austere pebble
It's gonna feel bad for arms too it not proccing off mortal strike anymore warr balance guy defo mains another class and doesn't even play warr anymore has to be
hot shell
I just want rts back on rb
dense elbow
I really dont, I really really dont
hot shell
It's gonna feel bad for arms too it not proccing off mortal strike anymore warr ...
The warr guy plays mage and nerf warr whenever it gets closer to their worst specc.
Source: trust me bro
dense elbow
Having ramp being so important to press, yet wanting to press RB instead to push out the most AoE DPS, just felt bad
Ramp being the prio button just makes sense, same as with SD procs
austere pebble
I think it's bad. All other buttons seem useless. And when you don't have recklessness the rage gen is abysmal for rampage spams
hot shell
I mean.. rb and ramp with a 20% each chance to rts? I would prefer that over the bleed build
left sage
We’re exactly where we’re supposed to be
We suppose to be big damage. Blizz hates us 🙁
dense elbow
Why do you want to bind all our AoE budget into reap tho
Dont you prefer BS hitting harder?
left sage
Dont you prefer BS hitting harder?
MT warriors dont have BS
hot shell
Nope. Not at all. Nuh-uh. Especially when its crit reliant and crit isnt even your mainstat
dense elbow
And MT aint Slayer?
left sage
And MT aint Slayer?
Oh sorry that is my bad
Thought you were talking about warrior just in general
dense elbow
No, we are talking about Reap and how it functions
I find it natural that Slayer is less about sustained AoE DPS, and more about the burst window of bladestorm. While making sure to keep the gameplay feeling punchy by big damage from SD procs to spice up the rotation.
Sure, it means that you wont do damage all of the time, like you did in TWWs3 RB reap spam. Yet that is the goal. To move away from that.
To allow Thane to be the sustained clappa clappa spec, while over time Slayer hopefully will cement into a solid big burst window spec with BS (and moment of glory of the perfect SD RNG)
jovial mauve
What's the point of not being able to do sustained AoE dps if there are always a ton of classes and specs that can do it
olive wraith
Sd reap good
Ramp reap good
Stronger OF/bs way better imo
dense elbow
The point is to have more impact, on the cost of less consistency. There are tons of specs that do sustained AoE, as you said, we even got a spec in fury to do that.
vestal root
penis and dicke
olive wraith
If thane was the flat spec with consistent aoe. And slayer was the st spec with situational burst aoe. I’d be happy
vestal root
hey guys i didnt know chimaerus mythic is harder than speedrunning mario 64
hot shell
Bladestorm does nowhere near enough dmg to be considered bursty honestly. Hell, an elemental spamming chain lightning has more burst
vestal root
because these people are somehow real
elfin harbor
is a bug or is he unlucky?
dense elbow
Bladestorm does nowhere near enough dmg to be considered bursty honestly. Hell, ...
This be why we say things like 'while over time slayer hopefully will move this direction', we are not there yet
olive wraith
Bladestorm does nowhere near enough dmg to be considered bursty honestly. Hell, ...
It’s not bursty cause a lot of our aoe is in reap/rend
jovial mauve
we aren't even bursty. When I see specs hitting 500k+ in major pulls and we're target capped besides reap, like what's the function
jovial mauve
this whole change just made slayer feel a little bit better, but still worse than thane
echo scarab
whats the single targt gap like now
olive wraith
Small
hot shell
Removing rts and making bs deal alot more dmg (talking about atleast ramp lv dmg in keys) would be more fun and less rng. But thats not the class Design Blizzard has in mind
vestal root
how are devourers real they are gapping everyone so hard rn its not even funny
olive wraith
You don’t even have to remove reap completely
jovial mauve
the class design blizz has for us is a bullet in the knee every time we do remotely good damage
hot shell
how are devourers real they are gapping everyone so hard rn its not even funny
They already did before. Blizzard just decided its not enough 
jovial mauve
we do good s1 TWW, shot in the knee. We do good S3 TWW, they take away the best slayer has felt in so long and gave us Odyn's functionailty...? while taking away the improved WW proc from it...?
and seperating avatar and BS for some reason..?
hot shell
You don’t even have to remove reap completely
Reap was not needed before and it isnt needed now. It just adds more rng for not much of a reward
olive wraith
we do good s1 TWW, shot in the knee. We do good S3 TWW, they take away the best ...
S3 had good numbers. Problematic playstyle
jovial mauve
Why was it problematic? I loved how it felt
dense elbow
Thats fair, but you should find that in Thane
olive wraith
Reap was not needed before and it isnt needed now. It just adds more rng for not...
Some of the biggest community issue with fury has been hard cap aoe
olive wraith
Why was it problematic? I loved how it felt
Rb prio was too big, you didn’t press bt ever
hot shell
Some of the biggest community issue with fury has been hard cap aoe
If it wasnt hard capped in aoe it would deal as much damage as an UHDK, we cant have that
jovial mauve
and now BT prio is too big and you enver press Rb?
dense elbow
It is funny how you want to go back to a world where BS was just an opener enabler for RB spam
and then say
"I want to BS"
olive wraith
and now BT prio is too big and you enver press Rb?
Ya, they over killed rb
jovial mauve
What do you mean? the economy was getting your sudden death procs so you can BS more often
olive wraith
In s3?
jovial mauve
yes, we were BSing like every 30 secs
not that it was highest damage number or anything, but it was going off frequent
and it felt like a good button to press
olive wraith
You didn’t really care if bs came up in 30s
dense elbow
And yet, you held it for the next pack.
olive wraith
Because often you’d hold bs for 20-30s
hot shell
Not really tho. RB>EVERYTHING. U just bsed for the debuff for more rts dmg
olive wraith
It only felt good cause it enabled rb spam
jovial mauve
you still hold bs for 20-30s? that's the nature of having a cd
flat river
olive wraith
Don’t we mostly send shit on cd
dense elbow
<@237283524040851459> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fGVCqahNbwyQ6kT7?figh...
Told you
olive wraith
Unless rek is relatively close
jovial mauve
I guess I dont understand the argument, BS doesnt feel better this season than it did last season?
olive wraith
Ya it doesn’t
jovial mauve
and I felt like I was getting more SD procs and more BS last season so I liked it more?
dense elbow
Currenlty BS feels more chunky than ever, it isnt even reliant on Reap RNG anymore
It just does dam
olive wraith
You got more sd procs cause tier
jovial mauve
yes, we only had reap because of tier too
olive wraith
Rb reap*
dense elbow
Well, if anyone bring out "I want TWWs3 (2) tierset", I think most in here would agree
olive wraith
Which you would prio over sd
jovial mauve
reap was busted because of the tier
before that we were thane every other season in M+
jovial mauve
you mean after we got heroic week incidented
hot shell
I just dont understand why all classes got less Buttons and more dmg while we now have to deal with rend and OF (and wrecking throw, i suppose), which literally noone asked for
dense elbow
Funny how ppl played Slayer for a lot of the time, for the prio dam oh well
olive wraith
you mean after we got heroic week incidented
Thane needed buffs to be decent in keys
jovial mauve
Thane needed buffs to be decent in keys
I agree, I dont see why slayer has to suffer for thane to be good and vice versa
flat river
it is working as intended, Gala
:(
dense elbow
(remember, BS going up, means reap going down on the overall part of the profile)
olive wraith
I agree, I dont see why slayer has to suffer for thane to be good and vice versa
Pre “bugfix” s3 people were splitting between thane and slayer
Slayer had really solid prio damage
Thane had good overalls
That was a pretty healthy mix imo
dense elbow
Slayer was the prio dam spec, close to. We just couldnt beat funnel dam value
our boss dam was insane tho, if ppl didnt funnel
olive wraith
Oh ya for sure
dense elbow
I want back to that, just with the add: Big chunky AoE burst
olive wraith
Floodgate momma fight was pure joy
jovial mauve
after bugfix fury felt incredible though
olive wraith
The numbers were amazing
jovial mauve
It was nice being able to compete with some of the big number classes for once
olive wraith
I agree
dense elbow
That is what I want, big ST prio dam, ok AoE, weaker mass AoE, giga mass AoE burst damage
olive wraith
But again, I don’t like how oppressive rb prio was
hot shell
That is what I want, big ST prio dam, ok AoE, weaker mass AoE, giga mass AoE bur...
Well, we sure got the weaker mass aoe part down
olive wraith
130 rage? I still press rb
jovial mauve
they could have just added ramp to reap instead of replace bt with it
then its proccing off of 2 priority keys instead of one
but what do I know
dense elbow
Cause Reap frequency is not the goal
olive wraith
Nah keep reap limited
jovial mauve
then they should remove our target caps on other shit
dense elbow
Sustained AoE = Thane goal
Burst AoE = Slayer Goal
toxic jewel
@uneven path just did a key, reap did the same % damage done as any other key before .5 lol
olive wraith
If it procs from everything then it’s not special
fallen mica
Why is fury getting nerfed…am I crazy in thinking we were just alright from the reports?
jovial mauve
or make ruin not shit
dense elbow
Fury isnt getting nerfed, dont worry
tawny turtle
not getting nerfed just not getting buffed either
fallen mica
Avatar buff to thunderclap was just chunked wasn’t it?
toxic jewel
lol we're already at the bottom, surely we'll get nerfed
hot shell
Remove rts.
Make bs deal absurdly high damage as an aoe burst worthy of the CD.
Remove BS from any cooldown reduction
Problem solved
olive wraith
This has been my hot take for a while. But I’d prefer a hard cap with really good st/prio/funnel over being aoe monsters
flat river
we need ST buffs ffs
dense elbow
Remove rts.
Make bs deal absurdly high damage as an aoe burst worthy of the CD....
Maybe move BS from 1.5m to 1min, to make it more M+ friendly
uneven path
<@139483308781338625> just did a key, reap did the same % damage done as any oth...
To me it feels like the SD is going kinda nuts
jovial mauve
idk why you guys dont like reap, it's like a casino for damage numbers, dopamine hits good
toxic jewel
Remove rts.
Make bs deal absurdly high damage as an aoe burst worthy of the CD....
nah, make AM work with bladestorm again and its fixed
uneven path
Had only little time to play around with Slury, since I was stucked mostly in raid
jovial mauve
SD gives you reap too xd
olive wraith
idk why you guys dont like reap, it's like a casino for damage numbers, dopamine...
Oh so like thane s3
toxic jewel
BS and Avatar are on the same choice node, make AM work for both
dense elbow
Yeah, but when you talk reap, you mean RTS procs from Ramp/BT
jovial mauve
Oh so like thane s3
yes but I dont want to thunder clap I want to slash my swords
olive wraith
Thunder BLAST
dense elbow
I wouldnt mind if they removed RTS from BT/Ramp, and just doubled the dam of SD reap procs
toxic jewel
Yeah, but when you talk reap, you mean RTS procs from Ramp/BT
Rampage procing reap is almost non existent, i've been testing a lot lol
dense elbow
now that would make it swingy dam
jovial mauve
like when I rolled up fury warrior I wasn't thinking "Man I love having 2 big weapons so I can stomp my feet and never swing them around"
dense elbow
Rampage procing reap is almost non existent, i've been testing a lot lol
And yet, the logs always show the same story
hot shell
Thane just feels, sounds and looks like a melee shaman. No thank you
olive wraith
like when I rolled up fury warrior I wasn't thinking "Man I love having 2 big we...
You thought I’ll spin like a ballerina
dense elbow
You feel what you feel, dont worry
But the numbers are where it was expected to be at
You might disagree if the numbers should be where they are, but that is kinda what we are discussing overall.
Design philosophy of the Fury Slayer dam profile
olive wraith
For me slayer should be about exe/bs
hot shell
I wanna remind you that once upon a time warrior had bladestorm that actually killed shit, yet they werent completely over or underperforming.
Why can we not have that back
jovial mauve
if slayer is burst, I've never seen it. Our target cap is too hard for it to feel actually bursty outside of boss fights. Unless you resign that it just shouldnt be the M+ spec
uneven path
For me slayer should be about exe/bs
Pretty much is now
toxic jewel
And yet, the logs always show the same story
i'd expect reap to proc alteast every 5 rampages, but it dont lmao i did multiple tests of just spamming WW and RB to get rage, rampage, and after 1 test being 15mil damage of rampage, it proc'd once, did another test where i went for like... 10min and it proc'd 3 times off rampage
dense elbow
Gala did tests, and keys - I also checked other logs, things seem in order to me
olive wraith
Pretty much is now
Idk man. Reap is still pretty high
jovial mauve
like AA, classes are bursting 1m dps and we're begging for scraps
dense elbow
Mind doing a run, Wargraine, on dummies - that you log?
olive wraith
I wanna remind you that once upon a time warrior had bladestorm that actually ki...
Cap, fury was def over performing
uneven path
Idk man. Reap is still pretty high
Yeh but you get reap cuz of SD aka exe
dense elbow
If you get 3 procs of Reap, over 10 min, that would be a probable bug
toxic jewel
Mind doing a run, Wargraine, on dummies - that you log?
would be a very awkward thing to make up, i was excited for rampage to proc reap, but was let down lol
olive wraith
Yeh but you get reap cuz of SD aka exe
That’s still reap. Without it and deep wounds exe is still kinda low for me
jovial mauve
would be a very awkward thing to make up, i was excited for rampage to proc reap...
I tested it myself last night, rampage proc'd reap plenty of times
dense elbow
Could be some talent funky stuff going on tho, bugs
olive wraith
would be a very awkward thing to make up, i was excited for rampage to proc reap...
Log it
toxic jewel
I tested it myself last night, rampage proc'd reap plenty of times
maybe i'm just that unlucky? lol
dense elbow
If he is truthful, it isnt something we should shrug off
floral wasp
guys question, when doing M+ should I macro my potion into one of my CDs or keep it seperate for bigger pulls?
dense elbow
3 procs over 10 min, is astonomically unlikely
hot shell
guys question, when doing M+ should I macro my potion into one of my CDs or keep...
Potion always separate. You wouldnt wanna use it in a random cdpull in between
jovial mauve
maybe i'm just that unlucky? lol
yeah I would need to see proof because while it wasn't once every 5 rampages, it was enough that I could see it being lucky/unlucky that it proc'd
toxic jewel
3 procs over 10 min, is astonomically unlikely
thats what i thought too
tawny turtle
The ramp proc chance for Reap is 20% correct so over the course of a fight just have to factor in how many times you hit Ramp with the WW buff up to have the chance to proc reap
uneven path
That’s still reap. Without it and deep wounds exe is still kinda low for me
idk man, without exe reap would be nothing
toxic jewel
yeah I would need to see proof because while it wasn't once every 5 rampages, it...
i mean 20% would roughly be every 5 casts
uneven path
And reap allows Exe be meaningful button on aoe
jovial mauve
i mean 20% would roughly be every 5 casts
yes, but you don't always hit that number
toxic jewel
ofc lol
dense elbow
thats what i thought too
You can check logs tho, Gala posted some up there. And it all shows things working as intended.
So if you are really bugged, we need logs or vod, to kinda try to guess what is going on
floral wasp
Potion always separate. You wouldnt wanna use it in a random cdpull in between
ok so what should I macro on my Recklessness or Avatar? Trinket and racial
toxic jewel
wish i someoen would of clipped my stream last night when i streamed me doing that tests, they had a good laugh of how low the procs were
olive wraith
ok so what should I macro on my Recklessness or Avatar? Trinket and racial
Rek and Ava 100%
olive wraith
wish i someoen would of clipped my stream last night when i streamed me doing th...
Just run some logs dude
toxic jewel
discord with the friends lol
hot shell
ok so what should I macro on my Recklessness or Avatar? Trinket and racial
Reck and ava always together
Trinket depends. If its puzzlebox i wouldnt.
Racial yes
dense elbow
but remember when you sit there with friends, it got a tenency of being a "haha" moment of everyone pileing on making it look worse than it is
olive wraith
Hence “log”
dense elbow
This to me tho, looks a lot healthier than Reap doing 20-25% of your dam
BS is an acitve press button and THE ultimate of your spec, it should be top
flat river
thats not the issue funky
the issue that reap SHOULD right now be higher proc rate
likle
it should proc right now
dense elbow
Even the logs you showed, just proved that it works as intended tho
flat river
not what we want
dense elbow
one proc to every 5 casts, more or less
flat river
i saw 1 proc every 10 rampages
mayeb even more
i did like 2 reaps from rampage on first pull academy
hot shell
And then youll have Fights where it proccs every 2-3 ramps
small tinsel
lol we're already at the bottom, surely we'll get nerfed
This based on raid ?
hot shell
Welcome to rng
toxic jewel
This based on raid ?
yeah
i still pump tho
will be top 5 but it is very sad being bottom dps at the start of every fight lmfao
jovial mauve
what is this logging off of?
dense elbow
Galas logs
jovial mauve
I dont think I've ever had BS being my highest dps for anything lol
elfin harbor
is there btw a reason we cant summ mixed gems?
dense elbow
i did like 2 reaps from rampage on first pull academy
reap seems to do decent dam, even on that pull
toxic jewel
what talent do we swap out for RR?
undone flower
i saw 1 proc every 10 rampages
Don’t forget in a key you cast non ww stacked rampages
hot shell
The fact that reap is rng or only guaranteed by something else that is rng is kinda... meh.
toxic jewel
go back to chance to proc per hit and not per cast plz ty
oblique thistle
go back to chance to proc per hit and not per cast plz ty
Then reap damage would be too high and funky would cry about it
olive wraith
go back to chance to proc per hit and not per cast plz ty
So basically 100% chance reap
dense elbow
i did like 2 reaps from rampage on first pull academy
Removing SD proc reaps, you did 23 casts and got 4 procs - 20% of 23, 4.6
Looks fine to me
undone flower
I would prefer a buff anywhere else than reap tbf
olive wraith
Rb needs a buff
uneven path
Dont worry more buffs for Dev DH are surely coming
undone flower
Dream big, not more reap% chance, 30% buff to whirlwind
toxic jewel
So basically 100% chance reap
no, not 100% lol
olive wraith
no, not 100% lol
Ramp hits 4 times on 5 targets
toxic jewel
have it like... up to 35% or something
toxic jewel
i meant per target hit
dense elbow
10% area is fine
hot shell
35% per target hit? U crazy ?
undone flower
Per swing it’s 3-4 reap per cast
dense elbow
I just dont get why ppl want to push more reap dam into the profile
oblique thistle
it is already doing enough dam in the profile, no?
Then whats the solution to bring slayers aoe on par with thane
toxic jewel
no.......... up to 35% chance to proc lol
olive wraith
I just dont get why ppl want to push more reap dam into the profile <:sadge:8202...
“I like spinning”
jovial mauve
I just dont get why ppl want to push more reap dam into the profile <:sadge:8202...
because it does damage and it sucks being out damaged by the majority of classes right now
uneven path
I just dont get why ppl want to push more reap dam into the profile <:sadge:8202...
Just buff RB dmg
olive wraith
because it does damage and it sucks being out damaged by the majority of classes...
Our damage can come from elsewhere
jovial mauve
we pull 8+ mobs I want to feel like more than a noodle
oblique thistle
I just dont get why ppl want to push more reap dam into the profile <:sadge:8202...
Because people want actual solid aoe damage beyond the hard target cap, its completely understandable why people want it especially with how bad ruin is
toxic jewel
I just dont get why ppl want to push more reap dam into the profile <:sadge:8202...
because s3 tww, it made fury a thing to invite for keys lmfao
lime vortex
Just buff RB dmg <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Your RB button is still traumatized from being pressed all the time in s3 TWW
olive wraith
Again s3
dense elbow
Then whats the solution to bring slayers aoe on par with thane
We shouldnt be, simple as.
Yet we should excell at our niche:
Giga AoE burst, mediocre mass sustained AoE, juicy ST dam
While Slayer got
High Sustained AoE, and mediocre ST and burst
jovial mauve
and now my BT button is being traumatized
uneven path
Your RB button is still traumatized from being pressed all the time in s3 TWW
true, it got hammered like crazy
hot shell
Slayer doesnt need to be closer to aoe to thane. It needs to be alot higher to st than thane
olive wraith
and now my BT button is being traumatized
Not nearly as bad considering it has a cooldown
dense elbow
We will be closer, if our mass AoE burst is improved
oblique thistle
We shouldnt be, simple as.
Yet we should excell at our niche:
Giga AoE burst, m...
You cling to tww s1 fury as much as blizzard loves to move us away from it and it makes absolutely no sense
undone flower
They will fix rampaging ruin a random week
jovial mauve
Not nearly as bad considering it has a cooldown
thank god, now I can sit and wait for it to be off cd and watch my devs do 2x my damage
olive wraith
You cling to tww s1 fury as much as blizzard loves to move us away from it and i...
You cling to s3 tww copium
oblique thistle
You cling to s3 tww copium
I have not once asked for tww s3
toxic jewel
oh and i've had 4p on my dk for probably 3 weeks now and after roughly 50 keys, i've yet to get a cata charge, whats up with that XD
oblique thistle
Dont conflate my words with others
uneven path
They will fix rampaging ruin a random week
jovial mauve
we went from rb to being spammed to rb being spit on, how dare you be on my bar 😠
red berry
i dont think whoever is responsible for warrior right now knows what they want for warrior 'niche'
olive wraith
It is counter what fury is with our whole meatcleaver thing
So much this
red berry
a nerf to slayer ST at all is a laughable thing and perplexing at that
even if meagre and minor
dense elbow
Yeah, it is, but it wasnt likely an intended goal
undone flower
It is counter what fury is with our whole meatcleaver thing
It is a switch point ST/AoE I don’t find it bad but it’s too doggo rn
dense elbow
they wanted to bring back RTS and bring up BS
hot shell
because s3 tww, it made fury a thing to invite for keys lmfao
Lemme break your bubble.
The dmg Profile of fury in general is constant good-ish dps output. That is NOT the prefered damage Profile for ANY kind of M+. You either want AoE burst or Singletarget monsters.
uneven path
i dont think whoever is responsible for warrior right now knows what they want f...
I think they do, and they achived it
red berry
no, but they could have literally done ANYTHING to bandaid it
olive wraith
Good news is it made gameplay a a little better imo
jovial mauve
what has blizzard ever done for slayer in the past 2 years to make us more meatcleaver-y besides making reap an actual good tool for m+
dense elbow
Yeah, but you know blizz
uneven path
We are good at 5 targets
dense elbow
red tape for miles
oblique thistle
I asked for a solution to slayer fury, the answer i reciece is tww s1 design, and every single design decision blizzard has made since that season has pushed us away from that. It is extremely clear that they viewed that design as extremely unhealthy. We arent getting it, so we need a different solution
uneven path
Not great, not the best
we are good at 5 targets, which is achived, by dog shit singel target
jovial mauve
but it does
oblique thistle
And yet thats how they view it
jovial mauve
we haven't recovered since xd
olive wraith
It was literally one season
dense elbow
I believe in their ability to reflect
oblique thistle
Thats not how they view it and its extremely clear based on their actions
dense elbow
to see a pattern
jovial mauve
believing in blizzard after the addon fiasco is crazy
oblique thistle
I believe in their ability to reflect
Its been a whole expansion, they've reflected enough
Move on
dense elbow
I think you are trying to lock down the convo grasping for "a stance of authority"
It cant be, cause they dont want it to
Doesnt mean it shouldnt, nor what we want
and hey
jovial mauve
it cant be because where is the pattern showing they understand it
dense elbow
my side is winning ground
olive wraith
Just because we’ve been flat profile for a while doesn’t mean Blizz intends us to be forever flat
undone flower
I liked fury whole TWW
dense elbow
I won so many points this patch, it is funny
olive wraith
Blizz also said rend was iconic and was implying fury will press rend. Now it’s completely passive
oblique thistle
You did, and slayer fury is behind thane in most content this season
hot shell
I liked fury whole TWW <:sadge:820202363359854633>
I do agree with that. Yet i cant seem to find any pleasure in playing it rn. I think it actually is cause of just feels bad
jovial mauve
why did blizzard think rend was iconic in the first place?
dense elbow
Tuning =/= gameplay luckilly
olive wraith
why did blizzard think rend was iconic in the first place?
No idea
dense elbow
Tuning will come, I care about the gameplay
oblique thistle
Tuning will come, next season, perhaps the .5 patch of next season, or the season after that
Uh huh
dense elbow
Perhaps
oblique thistle
Sure
olive wraith
It always does
oblique thistle
Eventually sure
dense elbow
You just being quite the aggressive little man atm, eh?
red berry
i just don't understand why they're being so lackadaisical in terms of tuning in midnight
olive wraith
i just don't understand why they're being so lackadaisical in terms of tuning in...
If I had to guess it’s because there’s too many moving parts
undone flower
I do agree with that. Yet i cant seem to find any pleasure in playing it rn. I t...
Oh… I do appreciate current fury, it’s just tuning issue, I was just saying Blizz did good job in my view with fury in tww
dense elbow
We cant control tuning, we will be bad or strong, all at the whims of numbers.
Gameplay at it core tho, matters
jovial mauve
here's the thing, lets say blizzard does something to make fury feel good again, are they going to shoot it in the kneecap again after a few good weeks in raid?
hot shell
Dont worry. In "the last titan" we will be dualwielding Titans.
olive wraith
here's the thing, lets say blizzard does something to make fury feel good again,...
They didn’t shoot s3 tww
dense elbow
here's the thing, lets say blizzard does something to make fury feel good again,...
As with every spec, ever. We will get our time, then get shot.
Didnt need to
we were drowning
We could not even fight funnel dam value
jovial mauve
They didn’t shoot s3 tww
Yes, I loved it and I want it back. They shot us in the kneecap not giving us a semblance of that this expac
olive wraith
Got boring
dense elbow
Question is, did you enjoy the gameplay, or tuning
jovial mauve
now the numbers are okay, and I dont get the same class feeling as I did
jovial mauve
I enjoyed the gameplay
dense elbow
Thats fair
jovial mauve
it felt high-octane
olive wraith
Hmm?
jovial mauve
I feel much slower now without the constant proc fishing
uneven path
Do you enjoy MT ? @dense elbow
dense elbow
Still, I hope you can see why we want it pushed towards Thane (that style), while slayer is more explosive dopamine
olive wraith
Our apm is similar isn’t it
dense elbow
Nah, I dont enjoy MT
hot shell
I hate hero Talent trees. This is a class Design within a class Design within a class design
uneven path
Fair
olive wraith
I hate hero Talent trees. This is a class Design within a class Design within a ...
Good idea in theory I think. Impossible in practice
dense elbow
jovial mauve
Our apm is similar isn’t it
APM is similar, but the difference in RB reset procs with reap makes it feel much higher output per key press
dense elbow
I mean, RB oppertunist is something I miss
But I dont miss RB RTS spam
If you argue RB should be more front and center, sure, most will agree
Thane should be BT, Slayer RB, most will agree
jovial mauve
you can lower RB dependability and add more functionality to other keys. We had the same issue last expac where we never wanted to press BT which was an issue
olive wraith
Idk man. S3 reminded me of the first half of s1 Df
Idgaf about rage, just press rb
(And ramp for RA)
I don’t like the idea of ignoring rage
hot shell
The addon was called "war within" not cause of the lore but cause of peoole with the same class now battling which hero Talent tree within what we used to enjoy is better
uneven path
Currently you press Ramp tho, so all is good
You always pressed ramp
dense elbow
You know what I mean, Laazy
uneven path
yhe
dense elbow
or you so out of the loop
uneven path
And I agree with you
jovial mauve
so like, do we give up any semblance of participating in big pulls with slayer and only care about ST and some minor add cleave?
dense elbow
Nop, cause the goal is: BS + Reck window is our time
While Thane is always clappa clappa
uneven path
idk I just hate Thane
dense elbow
So think of it is a BIG DAM SPIKE, then we low
jovial mauve
why do you want all functionality behind cds? plenty of classes are locked to cd for their damage profile and then the downtime feels like shit
dense elbow
while thane is just DAM DAM DAM
olive wraith
so like, do we give up any semblance of participating in big pulls with slayer a...
Ww does decent damage, and we have rend. And if our st is high we have good prio
elfin harbor
since i dont find it in any guide when do we use Wrecking Throw
olive wraith
I just prefer having some burst
dense elbow
why do you want all functionality behind cds? plenty of classes are locked to cd...
Yeah, but we got short CDs, and we got SD to spice rotation up
olive wraith
Being flat is boring to me
dense elbow
Flat is boring, club!
elfin harbor
only on absorb shield even in multi mob scenario?
jovial mauve
Ww does decent damage, and we have rend. And if our st is high we have good prio
I guess I don't like the idea of being a bleed class at all. I could give a shit less about rend and deep wounds
gentle badge
anyone else run sims for arms vs fury and fury wins the sims but arms wins in practice?
uneven path
Flat is boring, club!
idk i like my fury soda flat
olive wraith
I guess I don't like the idea of being a bleed class at all. I could give a shit...
Oh I agree. But people wanted uncapped aoe. Bleed is a really easy solution
uneven path
Kinda still traumatised from DF s1 and BFA demo
jovial mauve
Oh I agree. But people wanted uncapped aoe. Bleed is a really easy solution
why does it have to be bleed and just not slashing our sword with reap?
jovial mauve
is that like, part of the class fantasy you want?
dense elbow
Me?
jovial mauve
yes? I don't get it
dense elbow
you stupid if you think that is my stance
Did you even read anything I have written on my stance so far
olive wraith
I think we’re just describing how uncapped aoe can look like
jovial mauve
I don't know why you brought it up that's whhy I'm confused
dense elbow
Cause you asked
olive wraith
Bleed is consistent and uncapped
dense elbow
"why is", I answered
olive wraith
Really easy to build around dots
uneven path
@dense elbow I guess I am crazy, but I feel like current fury is really close (for me at least) to being great, just something is missing
unkempt oasis
Damage?
uneven path
One "little" push
jovial mauve
Really easy to build around dots
I dont think many fury warriors want to play around rend
but thats just me
outer umbra
Did you guys know they nerfed fury….
dense elbow
Just push more into ST and Slayer will be there
olive wraith
I dont think many fury warriors want to play around rend
Again I agree
undone flower
Nothing needed for thane gameplay but slayer sure
uneven path
Just push more into ST and Slayer will be there
I guess RB would be it ?
Like BT has its place and wont be going nowhere thanks to bleed buff
jovial mauve
then what's the argument. People are saying they like reap as a solution, you're suggesting rend instead because you dont like reap?
olive wraith
But if Blizz hears “fury wants uncapped aoe” rend is a really easy solution. And they cooked up RR
jovial mauve
I guess I don't understand
dense elbow
RB for Slayer, could be neat - but I dont see how they will push it in. Guess they can add a huge RB mod somewhere into the Slayer tree
olive wraith
then what's the argument. People are saying they like reap as a solution, you're...
I’m not suggesting friend
undone flower
RB for Slayer, could be neat - but I dont see how they will push it in. Guess th...
There is
dense elbow
Yeah, but more tho?
undone flower
They can just buff it
uneven path
RB for Slayer, could be neat - but I dont see how they will push it in. Guess th...
I would buff base line exe, removed it from slayer malice and make it to buff shit out of RB
undone flower
It’s the execute/rb does more dmg talent
dense elbow
Fair enough, but then the base RB will be quite... unstable
jovial mauve
they can let it proc reap :^)
undone flower
Malice smth
uneven path
Cuz right now it feels like there is no place for big RB thing on slayer tree
dense elbow
It is nice to see that most seem to be agreeing on kinda what we want, if not how we want it done. Instead of just people bashing on one point of "just make us uncapped AoE on meatcleaver reeee"
keep fury fury, just better
make slayer more slaying
uneven path
Nah
undone flower
uneven path
Make me beast at singel and funnel
dense elbow
Hm, make that a 30% and our ST would be kinda decent, no?
olive wraith
Make me beast at singel and funnel
Please
uneven path
MT can have uncaped aoe or w/e
supple glen
did they restrict the mini map zoom factor to make prey more annoying or are addons to blame
jovial mauve
Why cant MT be single target and funnel and I get to top charts in M+ as slayer 🥺
dense elbow
If you give Thane funnel
uneven path
Yeh 15% for exe in base line and make RB 30% in this
dense elbow
Slayer will die
so hard
Funnel beats prio, almost always, as Funnel scales to purpose
uneven path
Make MT press his little silly TC and TB
undone flower
Funnel beats prio, almost always, as Funnel scales to purpose
You can have capped funnel, like arms
olive wraith
Hell ya giga sfx
fleet garden
Make MT press his little silly TC and TB
I will, it's fun! 
dense elbow
capped funnel doesnt feel like funnel to me, but I get what you mean
mint moat
execute having no real niche anymore is the biggest issue with warrior
dense elbow
Our execute window is quite strong overall, no?
dim crypt
im not a fan of warrior defensives compared to pretty much every other class i played
uneven path
Our execute window is quite strong overall, no?
yeh but a lot comes from BT
dim crypt
i raid mythic and it feels like a big problem
uneven path
Not really exe it self
dim crypt
second boss voidspire. already used lock rock health pot. nothing in range to hit with victory rush
bunch of adds go explode raid wide damage
dense elbow
yeh but a lot comes from BT
ye, but still part of the execute phase
dim crypt
all i got is defnesive stance
fleet garden
I mean spell reflect is really good. If enraged regen wasn't talented but baseline that help a lot right?
dense elbow
or we talking execute, as in the ability itself?
uneven path
ye, but still part of the execute phase
Fair enough, but I think he ment exe as the abulity
dim crypt
yeah besides that just would be nice to have something a bit more substantial
undone flower
Ironic BT being our execute tbf
dim crypt
i played hunter, rogue and paladin. they all felt better defensively
tho rogue its been many xpacs
dense elbow
Hm, of all the things to complain about, having lacking defensives as warrior really aint on my list
I feel tanky AF
fleet garden
I mean paladin is always going to feel better, it's the gold standard
jovial mauve
why dont we have bloodlust
uneven path
I feel tanky AF
usually last man standing with tank
dense elbow
Cause it wont change anything, Ramma
uneven path
If I play proper deff
undone flower
fleet garden
Paladins can have 99 problems but they can just bubble out of them
jovial mauve
we get invites to keys more often since we can fill a lust spot 🙂
dim crypt
well im using everything i have idk
jovial mauve
why cant I scream at someone to brez them
dense elbow
Yeah, no - they would just bring a lust class that does more dam
You can sap em with engi item
uneven path
Warrior doesnt need lust...
jovial mauve
boring
undone flower
Enh sham real deal rn
dim crypt
dps warrior was so bad trying to get keys in the past i just went prot for m+
dim crypt
its actually enjoyable and so much easier to get shit done
dense elbow
Fury Warrior DPS so bad, I waited 15 sec in que before I got invited
jovial mauve
I shout so many times, why cant I shout to lust
uneven path
Fury Warrior DPS so bad, I waited 15 sec in que before I got invited
gg roll DK
dense elbow
it is over, indeed
magic prairie
gg roll DK
yuck
undone flower
WW monk for the W
toxic jewel
Lemme break your bubble.
The dmg Profile of fury in general is constant good-is...
well, we arent ST or AoE monsters
dense elbow
Aight, time for me to 
Have fun, and keep up the good fight: For Slayer burst AoE dam and big ST dam
uneven path
gn
hot shell
well, we arent ST or AoE monsters
Exactly
toxic jewel
we're pretty bad compared to most classes lol
but i will say this, without looking at the dps meter, fury is a very, very fun spec to play
magic prairie
but i will say this, without looking at the dps meter, fury is a very, very fun ...
Word
hot shell
Well, yes. But that has nothing to do with the damage Profile in general
jovial mauve
is mythic dreamrift a thane or slayer fight
uneven path
we're pretty bad compared to most classes lol
I still believe there will be a lot more toning in two weeks
willow knoll
question, in Chimerus myth, its better go down first or second ?
fleet garden
warrior is just fun to play: leap, charge, shockwave, aoe hoj
olive wraith
all i got is defnesive stance
Passive Dr, SR, and you can talent into ER if you want. Plus we have large hp pool and 25% heal on a short cd
toxic jewel
i just wanna be invited to keys lmfao, if you're not meta its rough getting into "higher" keys
hot shell
warrior is just fun to play: leap, charge, shockwave, aoe hoj
Tf is an aoe hoj
olive wraith
i just wanna be invited to keys lmfao, if you're not meta its rough getting into...
I mean this is all dps
dim crypt
Passive Dr, SR, and you can talent into ER if you want. Plus we have large hp po...
i was trying to find a way to take both ER and warpaint but i would have to give up a dps talent
toxic jewel
if i log my dk, ill get into any key within 2min easily
unkempt oasis
Are you putting "Pumper" in your note?
fleet garden
Aoe Stormbolt :p
olive wraith
i was trying to find a way to take both ER and warpaint but i would have to give...
Drop massacre
dim crypt
warrior used to have ER baseline
toxic jewel
i got home from work, queued up for 12s for about a half hour before getting into a key on my warrior xD
olive wraith
ER was a talent for 3 exp now at least
uneven path
Since DF
hot shell
Aoe Stormbolt :p
Comparing a 6sec singletarget stun to a 3s singletarget Stun with a random secondary target IF skilled into it is... kinda crazy
uneven path
It was just in the spot whre it was super ez to pick
dim crypt
Drop massacre
doesnt execute still have a higher priority than raging blow though?
olive wraith
It dos
dim crypt
oh my bad looking at the wrong talent
olive wraith
But massacre is only for 15% hp threshold increase
echo rapids
is mythic dreamrift a thane or slayer fight
Most are playing thane looks like
uneven path
But massacre is only for 15% hp threshold increase
and cdr
lowers cd of exe by 1.5 sec I think ?
echo rapids
question, in Chimerus myth, its better go down first or second ?
Second in theory, but the small adds die so fast it almost doesn’t matter
dim crypt
it might be worth it. i will see how my survivability is on mythic chimerus
echo rapids
We had wipes last week where people monkey brained and went too hard on the small adds, breaking them too fast/close to the boss and wiping us
spark coral
