fury

[somber parcel]

and with all that new stuff you will do less dmg

[dense elbow]

Nah, I will do more

[raw magnet]

hows the BS reap rng removed and replaced

[unkempt dagger]

I wish they reworked battle shout so people would want us more 🥹

[raw magnet]

also TWW slayer was way funner with anger management effecting it

[unkempt dagger]

We just want to be loved

😭

[dense elbow]

I keep pressing pushing back BT, so for me it will be a DPS increase

[olive wraith]

For keys?

[dense elbow]

This change was made for me

[charred flint]

uh

we have anger management, dont we?

[olive wraith]

Not bs

[raw magnet]

Yeah but it doesn't impact bladestorm i think

it did in TWW

[charred flint]

oh

[raw magnet]

but now it's just recklessness

which SUCKS

[charred flint]

yeah now its just execute

[dapper goblet]

servers up

[dry hawk]

Are servers actually up?

[unkempt dagger]

I mean still decent

[raw magnet]

Still more fun than thane though

[unkempt dagger]

I use it to stack bloodbath on prio mobs

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-gif-6377560095772063415

[raw magnet]

Servers not up 4 me

[unkempt dagger]

It is tho isnt it

U can get a mini bladestorm proc

Or get this

[elfin hollow]

its wierdest design. AM affects Avatar but not BS, when BS/avatar is choice node.

[unkempt dagger]

U can thunderclap

[raw magnet]

Also why does arms get bladestorm for like three times the duration as fury

what is dis

[charred flint]

cuz we want to ramapge so bad

[olive wraith]

That’s not a good thing

Lmao

[unkempt dagger]

Our does the same damage in the lower amount of time lmao

[charred flint]

remember cancel aura bladestorm so we could condemn

that was fucking weird

lmao

[unkempt dagger]

Our scales with haste

[raw magnet]

oh, rip arms lmao

[somber parcel]

coz you will rage starve for 6 seconds less 😄

[modest condor]

arms players are old, they need to give their fingers some rest every now and then

[modest condor]

arms does too

[unkempt dagger]

Bro its public channel dont call for arms warrior here

They always wanna fight

[unkempt dagger]

Ye but we get the 3 stack thingie

[modest condor]

so does arms

[raw magnet]

Anyways at least today planning on playing slayer in raid prog unless there is difficult in killing the adds will swap back

[modest condor]

the only difference between arms and fury bs is that theirs has a 2 second longer base duration

but they also have less haste than us

so the end result is like 2x longer bs

[zinc python]

i think the play is still thane though

[charred flint]

did u actually get in?

[zinc python]

in voidspire an yways

[grand estuary]

2 weapons make us twice as fast duh

[dapper goblet]

yeah

[charred flint]

weirdge

[raw magnet]

you able to scuba?

[zinc python]

hes trolling

[raw magnet]

Scuba is the main content of 12.0.5

[sterile hearth]

https://giphy.com/gifs/internet-lies-highqualitygifs-lOzXuHwXXYM9y

[sullen dove]

Xeos insta equipping the snorkel moment he logs on

[raw magnet]

https://klipy.com/gifs/creed-scuba

[grand estuary]

do we get our fourth cata charge today?

[raw magnet]

i've been capped for weeks

You get 4set and then it drops like candy

[smoky nacelle]

should've got it last week i believe

[grand estuary]

i know that, but im asking for an alt

[charred flint]

last week was craft

pretty sure cata is this week

[raw magnet]

only if you got AOTC/2k/1600 pvp

[mossy fox]

this happens all the time

[smoky nacelle]

true

[raw magnet]

or direct drop from raid, or vault

[mossy fox]

either that or "i'm doing my rotation perfectly but i'm still doing low dps"

well if you're playing perfect then you don't need our help do you

[modest condor]

:)

[grand estuary]

someone should make a mini game like guitar hero, but for critcakes rotation lol

[indigo totem]

Lack of accountability and awareness is how they got there in the first place. Can’t change it.

[mossy fox]

well i also don't play perfect

so anyone who copies me also isn't playing perfect

[indigo totem]

For sure, but you have the accountability

[bitter palm]

mr strimmer... doesnt play perfect?.. i was lied to..

[indigo totem]

It’s not a wow problem it’s a people problem

[hot shell]

Remember when gingi was banned for playing a perfect rotation 10min in a row

[raw magnet]

Truly the only way to play perfect is to high high gamba crit strikes

[unkempt dagger]

im afraid to link my logs, imma get scrutinized here lol

[dry hawk]

I watch movement of ytbers, not there rotations

[raw magnet]

have .1% crit and happen to crit 100% of the time

[charred flint]

Actually people are pretty helpful

You just can't respond with BUT IM DOING THAT

when logs clearly should you aint

[sterile hearth]

Doing big dam is OBVIOUSLY streamer privilege

[modest condor]

yeah streamers play on a special client where everything does 15% more damage

[sterile hearth]

https://giphy.com/gifs/fx-charlie-always-sunny-l0IylOPCNkiqOgMyA

[charred flint]

no one cares that your damage isnt good enough

[raw magnet]

I thought they just transferred their remix characters

[dry hawk]

You'll be fine

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, I can do 99% without looking:
"My guy, fix your gear, farm it up then come back. Also, please check #dps-faq, your rotation is wrong and it looks like you are still in the mindset of TWWs3. Fix these two things and come back again."

[shy bronze]

So are we all playing thane for everything now? I was kinda looking forward to having rend on WW. Guess the reap nerf kills that.

[olive wraith]

You can slayer in keys

[dry hawk]

Kekw, can they gimme a realm where it doesn't cost 5k gold to repair

[unkempt dagger]

im a casual

dont go too hard on me

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/kazzak/zeljoo

[modest condor]

max out your blacksmithing for free repairs

[charred flint]

i mean you have purples in a fight where you killed it once

why would people be mean to you

[dry hawk]

where do I do that at I have bs

[charred flint]

purple when progging is great

[modest condor]

you craft the master hammer

[unkempt dagger]

its pugging, not progging xD

i dont raid with guild

[modest condor]

and it lets you repair items you have maxed knowledge

[shy bronze]

Sure, pay 3 million in gold to max out BS to save 100 gold a death. xD

[sterile hearth]

Carry mutliple sets of the same gear so you can sell off the pieces that break. #goldmakingtips

[raw magnet]

You say that but I went into profession equipment, before blizzard chose to max blue tools boe

[modest condor]

if you spend 3mil gold to max bs you're doing something wrong

[dense elbow]

Reap RNG is gone tho, so you will see more stable and higher DPS during BS windows

SD still reaps, and that was over half your reaps, and Ramp proccing reap, will mean more reaps during reck window than before.

Overall we didnt really lose reaps (other than on ST), we gained some in the window it matters the most AND our DPS press button does more dam.

A lot of wins

Slayer is fine, play it if you want

[unkempt dagger]

and i dont kinda play optimal builds, i play slayer thats it

i dislike thane so much

[sullen dove]

I mean a friend of mine who’s like turbo crafter said it took about that much gold to max bs like first few days of expansion

[modest condor]

well yeah but if you're maxing bs first few days of expansion you're in it for making gold from crafts

not for repairs

[sullen dove]

but have to imagine those mats A) way cheaper and B) just do spark crafting orders for 3 skill each?

[olive wraith]

Time is money friend

[modest condor]

i max it over the course of the first season and then the rest of the expansion i never have to pay for repairs again

[dense elbow]

money is time, enemy

[modest condor]

and it costs me maybe 50k

[charred flint]

welp your opener is in the wrong order

[sullen dove]

What do you individually repair every single item one by one?

[raw magnet]

You aren't going to be able to max blacksmithing until around s1 being done, even with first crafts

[sullen dove]

Or does hammer work on all of em

[unkempt dagger]

which boss is this?

[reef finch]

Hi Fellas, if i spend a Ascendant Voidcore to upgrade my weapon (main hand) will need another Ascendant Voidcore to upgrade off-hand?

[sullen dove]

Idk if ever used that thing

[modest condor]

you do 1 by 1 yes

[sullen dove]

oh nah

[charred flint]

Averzian

[unkempt dagger]

if its chimerus, i deliberatly fucked myself on opener bcs we wiped twice bcs no add damage lmao

[modest condor]

there used to be a weakaura that you just clicked and it automatically cycled through the items

but you know what happened there

[grand estuary]

are those asc voidcores weekly capped?

[sullen dove]

guys I’m repairing my gear can we have a break for 2 minutes

[dry hawk]

[covert blaze]

the greed they talk about in the bible

[unkempt dagger]

i know ill sound stupid, but i legit dont know how to read logs

[shy bronze]

There's a macro for the BS repair hammer when you have it maxed out. It worked at the end of TWW. Im sure it'll work again.

[indigo totem]

It does, yeah

[charred flint]

this opener is all over the place

like, you dont pop reck on pull, then you just dont bladestorm at all

[raw magnet]

Just prio big guy and whirlwind cleave off of them, if everyone is doing their part like that should be enough. Toss a wrecking throw at big guy does big armor dam

Though i will also say, thane does(or did) make that easier just casual cleaving

[unkempt dagger]

yeah but i felt like thane does significantly less st

[charred flint]

Then you bladestorm 15 seconds after your reck was used

[unkempt dagger]

atleast on chimareus

[charred flint]

for some reason

[pale sentinel]

Listen When I saw critcake rerolling because dps I knew we were cooked chat.

[raw magnet]

At least in sims it isn't that much less for me anyway

[pale sentinel]

are we cooked chat?

[unkempt dagger]

cause i was being greedy, i got 2x sudden death procs

should i not be doing that?

use it even with 0 stacks?

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[fallen solstice]

you farm back bladestorm with sd procs

[charred flint]

Why were you being greedy bladestorm is your highest damaging button

[raw magnet]

Like pure pure single target on my warrior last i checked for slayers was 95k, and thane cleave was 91k according to robot. yes, the 4k adds up but adds became a lot easier.

[wispy thistle]

Missingf CDR on bladestorm also by not using it

[raw magnet]

If that is the difference maker between 1 phasing and 2 phasing you might want to opt for that, but also you want to factor in how fast killing adds lets you get back to the boss

[unkempt dagger]

well at start i try to hunt for sd procs, if not, i use bladestorm at 5 sec reck to still get full benefit during the bladestorm, like my reck doesnt run out before my bladestorm

[charred flint]

You should bladestorm whenever you can, if you have Reck up.

No, you dont

your opener is supposed to be Charge -> Reck -> Rampage -> Bladestorm (Stormbolt) -> Rampage -> OF

[pure echo]

Bruh how are they buffing unholy DK, devourer and all these other specs but shit canning fury again

Like lmao even

[charred flint]

your opener should always be the same

[wispy thistle]

1 time huh?

[echo rapids]

Think your mistake is trying to free flow your opener and rotation

[charred flint]

besides fights where you want to hold CDS but usually we dont want to do that

[echo rapids]

It’s literally been Mathed out for you

[pure echo]

Hell a little st buff for fury or arms and we’d be happy little shits.

[smoky turret]

get use to it

[fallen solstice]

you will perform a lot better if you just go look at the wowhead opener priority for awhile. You're sort of hitting random buttons without considering how they play in your build

[raw canyon]

So did they revert the mountai thane debuff?

[pure echo]

Tempting me with a class swap

[sharp patio]

@raw canyon yes

[smoky turret]

go for it

[wispy thistle]

update channel

[pale sentinel]

Fury Slayer is Simming higher and Fury thane.. thoughts!?

[smoky turret]

thats what they wanted

[raw canyon]

@sharp patio thank you

[tardy lark]

the guy is a pretty good example of how the order of buttons you press as fury doesnt matter that much

[charred flint]

Slayer does sim higher than Thane in ST

Not sure after patch xd

[tardy lark]

Whether you enrage with BT, Ramp or Odyns on pull doesnt matter that much in the grand scheme

[unkempt dagger]

true, never really looked at that

[raw magnet]

Slayer sims higher pure single target, but basically all of the fights have cleave

of some sort

[charred flint]

yeah fury is mostly about uptime

[pure echo]

I’ve been main warrior since BFA I am

[raw canyon]

exactly pretty much all bosses have adds

so MT would be the way

[smoky turret]

same with me since sl

[fallen solstice]

are y'all simming 12.0 when you say Slayer is simming higher in ST?

[regal aurora]

yeah man, it never changes. To the point I'm done complaining, I just come here on patch days to read other people complain and it does my soul well enough.

[raw magnet]

I think there is a bit of nuance since some fights have a while before adds spawn, and it's nuke them and go back to boss. If you plan well you can bladestorm the adds and I think the burst is higher

[steel shard]

warrior was good last xpac

[indigo totem]

Filling globals on every class is half the battle. Pressing the wrong something is better than pressing nothing almost always.

[charred flint]

I mean it does say there that they dont support 12.0.5, what else should we sim lol

[steel shard]

i think warrior has never been this bad for a long time tbf

[shy bronze]

I'm tired of complaining. I just reroll to kill bosses.

[charred flint]

you're able to kill boss regardless of spec

[raw magnet]

Like voracious, if there is good coordination you could potentially hold bladestorm and nuke the adds at the wall, and then go back to the boss. Although thane defensive options are better

[smoky turret]

this is the problem man, we always settle with not bad

[raw canyon]

yah 9/9 h 3/9m

hopefully 5/9m this week

[fallen solstice]

idk i'm reading people say "Slayer is simming higher in ST"

[raw canyon]

We just not top of dps meter by any means

[unkempt dagger]

in pugs they actually dont let melee go off boss

[raw canyon]

got to fight to stay middle of the back

[smoky turret]

I say f it, make us top tier or don't bother

[unkempt dagger]

if u dont have an add on u

[charred flint]

Slayer has always simmed higher ST than Thane

[fallen solstice]

zzz

[raw magnet]

in prog my guild does, we get the mechs over with and continue

and reclears

[wet scroll]

will the slayer become stronger than the thane in dungeons after this patch?

[fast crest]

What change is causing the nerf

[raw magnet]

It's kill adds on wall then get back to boss

[charred flint]

they're both pretty meh from what i understand

[fallen solstice]

If slayer is losing 2% ST...

[tardy lark]

Dps warrior Crown, Bel'oren and L'ura prog PoV

[charred flint]

Thane to Slayer isnt a 2% difference on ST

[smoky turret]

we are decent on bel

for add dmg

[charred flint]

I mean most of us arent in a top 100 guild so it shouldnt matter what spec you play

[potent terrace]

kind of new to warrior..why is bladestorm considered over Avatar for single target spec when bladestorm is an aoe. What am I missing

[tardy lark]

cries in top 100 🙁

[smoky turret]

top you might say in that regard

[raw magnet]

for slayer bladestorm good damage and hero talents interact with it

[unkempt dagger]

u proc bloodthirst with bladestorm + u deal a good amount of damage with bladestorm

[tardy lark]

which is not at all what is the relevant parts of that fight xdd

[shy bronze]

Be the 21st man riding the Silvermoon cart calling mechanics on Discord.

[silk wharf]

For slayer, nearly the entire hero tree revolves around making bladestorm better.

[potent terrace]

got it thanks guys

[charred flint]

Idk how much a single spec is going to change the grand scheme of things even in top 100 guilds but hey i might be wrong

[raw magnet]

Thane should get leaper

[lyric rain]

hi . is thunderblast uncapped spell ?

[charred flint]

i dont raid at top 100 lvl

so i dont fucking know

[raw magnet]

Thane is all about stomping stuff, bring back shadowlands heroic leap legendary ability

[tardy lark]

It doesnt change a lot, but it makes it harder to copy what top guilds are doing

[silk wharf]

uncapped yes, but reduced after 8 targets I believe.

[bitter palm]

ig beloren is an exception no cause early on you would kill the egg with like

2s left

[smoky turret]

have you progged bel at all?

[silk wharf]

Let me double check that though

[lyric rain]

ok

[silk wharf]

I was wrong, it's reduced after 5 targets.

[pale sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[tardy lark]

i think most guilds do that regardless of what comp they have

[tardy lark]

refer to earlier image of the Bel'oren prog PoV

[lyric rain]

gotcha thanks brother

[smoky turret]

ok still i think depending on comp

some comp needs dmg on adds bad

[tardy lark]

nah

its just a matter of people actually switching to them

cause you are holding damage to phase at the right time

[smoky turret]

no you still need p1 boss damg aswell so hard swapping don't work all the time

[tardy lark]

cause adds cant die too fast either

ofc you need p1 boss damage, but brother, my guild was holding damage even while progging that shit

[smoky turret]

2nd p1 too?

[tardy lark]

you are not bringing something to that fight for add damage i promise you that

yes

[smoky turret]

ok then not my guild

p sure if i stayed as fury we would've needed 20 more pulls to prog 2nd p1

mb

[wet scroll]

I’m seeing mixed info about Thane getting nerfed—Thunderstrike cooldown and damage. Is it real or not?

[smoky turret]

nope reverted

[tardy lark]

i am unsure what you mean i think @smoky turret

[smoky nacelle]

#updates-midnight message

[smoky turret]

which part

[tardy lark]

this

and then you say mb

[fallen solstice]

it's less than 2% for me but I'm sure I'm just simming wrong here

[tardy lark]

ohhh

maybe

holy shit im dumb

not my fault im danish

[smoky turret]

we just needed dmg on boss 2nd p1 to push it into egg phase before its too late

and i banked on ppl having enough small egg damage

[tardy lark]

p1-2 was more of a living the last overlap and timing add deaths for my guild

but idk what level you guys are at

[smoky turret]

we're on lura 1st int

[raw magnet]

mythic lura?

wowza

[smoky turret]

killed it sunday

[tardy lark]

Style?

[smoky turret]

tried fury/arms in the first 40ish pulls

ye

tbf the biggest bait is arms

or im just bad at it

[tardy lark]

no dps warrior on beloren kill

or am i in the wrong place

[smoky turret]

idk why honestly brought arms

[tardy lark]

arms big fuck in p3

[smoky turret]

i swapped as i said

[tardy lark]

ok big fuck isnt the correct word

[smoky turret]

icic

[coarse nest]

[tardy lark]

arms mid fuck in p3

[fading bane]

did you not reroll?

[tardy lark]

yes

logged on warrior to take the sc

[fading bane]

fair fair

I get to play dark ranger next week

i really need a change of scenery on Lura

[tardy lark]

we get to not swap targets and have an excuse for it

[fading bane]

i refuse to black arrow anything that isnt L'ura

dont have to deal with bulletstorm

[smoky turret]

but i think 2nd p2 add dmg is meaningless

[fading bane]

Belo?

[coarse nest]

lol remember when swapping to tangle was bad for fury but people pissed and moaned that the warrior wasn’t helping

[smoky turret]

they just die from cleave if they are gripped in

[fading bane]

eggs can be tight

[royal copper]

Slayer gains ~5% multitarget but loses ~2% single target because reasons. Most importantly, Rend no longer needs to be cast manually when using Improved Whirlwind, though Reap now triggering off Rampage doesn't result in any significant gameplay changes, since you're already prioritizing it pretty highly and still want to manage rage in order to minimize time spent spamming Whirlwind.

So Slayer isn't going to be raid spec?

[smoky turret]

not when everyone is sending, as i said, in 2nd p2

[pale sentinel]

Reap triggering off rampage should put slayer above thane in all scenarios imo

[woven valley]

Arms is new raid spec kek

[royal copper]

😅

[pale sentinel]

wait is this for arms slayer and not fury slayer?

[random shadow]

it doesnt tho

[pale sentinel]

RIP

[deft palm]

so why did fury get nerfed

i dont get it

[smoky nacelle]

reasons

[grand estuary]

dev and unholy were top enough

[deft palm]

we were good in the beginning but we got outscaled

[grand estuary]

werent*

[tardy lark]

we scale really well with aura buffs

but thats about it

[tawdry cliff]

We got 5% aoe increase for slayer. Clearly a buff

Now you will do aoe in MT knowing that

[dense elbow]

BS burst window got more than that (extreme reap RNG aside), so keep that in mind too

[warm crag]

joke never gets old

[deft palm]

are we still taking MT?

or slayer

[pale sentinel]

I think slayer outperforms in 12.0.5

and we finally go back to spinning boys

[tardy lark]

instant classic

[deft palm]

interesting

[tawdry cliff]

is it better in M+ too?

[golden solstice]

not right now

MT still better at the moment

[past pivot]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[lost reef]

Yo anytpis what to do in Academy? When i go rampaging ruin i deal tank dmg on st is this normal or am i just bad?

[pale sentinel]

TBF who cares about Slayer and MT as fury in keys you won't be invited to anyything higher than 10's or 12's so roll protection and focus on raids kek

[lost reef]

While playing Thane

[tawdry cliff]

I have my own tank

Though it is true I probably wouldn't get invited otherwise

[next canopy]

Is rend really on fury? That sounds so off.

No clue why they would do that.

[sly merlin]

don’t go rampaging ruin life hack

[warm crag]

it is but it will be mostly automated by tmrw latest

[past pivot]

Rend has been there all expac

[lost reef]

Then how to kill the first pack without 1 dps the question is

[next canopy]

Not playing. Just living vicariously through discord and wowhead.

[dry hawk]

RR is bait

[sly merlin]

dwarf tank

[warm crag]

click n then arms or just clap

[sly merlin]

✅

[next canopy]

Doesn’t rend on fury make you 🤮

[raw magnet]

I feel like fury having a lot of bleeds is more thematic

[next canopy]

But it’s already on arms

[raw magnet]

Yeah but you have two swords and are violently swinging them a quadrillion times

[next canopy]

Is it prio like arms too. Rend over everything?

[raw magnet]

death by a thousand cuts

[hot shell]

Fury should be the berserking class with loads of crit. I hate the mastery build

[raw magnet]

bleeding everywhere

[lost reef]

Wish could compare myself to some fury on the first pull then cuz cant find any videos on yt of it on high keys...

[tawdry cliff]

making enemy bleed implies patiense. Fury has none

[wooden socket]

Is plume trinket a sim bait? Whenever I sim my toon it always shows as stronger then the voracious trinket, is that normal?

[vernal mulch]

is it better to stick to fury for progging mythic since fury pure st is still better than arms?

[warm crag]

people gravitate to what's better when stuff gets hard

[smoky turret]

o o f

[raw magnet]

no it implies you have open wounds, and fury is hitting you everywhere like a psychotic caveman

Arms doing BIG BIG HIT DAM is thematic

When arms hits, it hits hard

[warm crag]

why mald over smth you havent read up on lol

[rancid drift]

Rend radius increased to 10 yards (was 8 yards) ??? we're so back

[pale sentinel]

No one has cared for arms. it should stay in its PVP LANE. FURY has always been a PVE LANE

idk why blizzard is breaking this tradition

[warm crag]

thane automates it with clap and its not really worth pressing on slayer, and pressing ww will apply it anyways

[dry hawk]

I wonder what fury and crit gear would even do

[smoky turret]

????

[vernal mulch]

if arms has no funnel in raid its still far behind fury in pure st right?

im finding a lot of our myth prog strats have melee doing st on boss

[young swan]

no its right on fury's heels

[raw magnet]

I think thematically crit makes more sense for arms

[vernal mulch]

so i dont get any funnel as arms (or aoe as fury)

[vernal mulch]

is that after today's patch

[raw magnet]

Fury having consistent damage because they always roid raging makes more sense

[smoky turret]

if ss exe counts then yes

[next canopy]

Who is malding? Speak about your own feelings brother.

[tawdry cliff]

reck used to give us crit

[young swan]

yeah but even before, slayer arms is doing more than thane fury, especially when thane fury is basically just comitting cds for pad

[vernal mulch]

cuz i simmed a few days ago and fury did 9k more damage on st 5m vs arms with re enchant and changing gear from haste/mast to crit/haste

[golden solstice]

i feel like there will be some more tuning come next week because we look abysmal and another reason for groups to not pick a warrior

[warm crag]

my emotional state is surprisingly stable

[vernal mulch]

sweeping strike execute? isnt that rat behavior/basically inting for prog

[compact siren]

least stable skyhold dweller

[young swan]

no?

why would it be

[vernal mulch]

isnt that what arms top logs is doing on vorasius

lol

[next canopy]

Now get your DPS stable bruh

[eager stirrup]

What’s the plan for gearing? A guildie says Resto Shaman has a spreadsheet while we’re still talking about class balance.

[young swan]

that still nets you boss damage lol

[vernal mulch]

ss execute on adds for more boss dam

i mean

[tepid beacon]

do you guys bother using raging blow in your rotation? I read that typically it should be a filler and very last resort if there is nothing else available to use, I am trying to increase my haste to have better uptime also

[vernal mulch]

during prog thats just int

[young swan]

no it isnt

are u new to mythic prog

[warm crag]

why would doing more damage be int

[fallen solstice]

that's because their spec was so pruned there isn't anything else to talk about 😢

[young swan]

int would be overkilling adds for your parse

[tranquil sentinel]

I dont care if the the adds are removed from the parse, they still need to die, so im hitting em

[willow cradle]

Hasnt been a thing for multiple expacs, what are you on about lol.

[tranquil sentinel]

They can take away my logs but they can never take away my details

sorta

ok they took away my details

[warm crag]

like the literal only time i can think of where sweeping executes mightve been bad was council of blood where theres a good chance you didnt sweep onto the right target so you were doing 0 dps

[vernal mulch]

well for our vorasius prog we had the ranged switch to adds and melee stay on boss unless fixated
and we took the adds further back on the wall for 1st set, then got closer to the boss along the wall for other sets

[vernal mulch]

what do you mean

[young swan]

for my vorasius prog i had to commit cd's to kill them in time

does that mean i inted?

[compact siren]

padder

[smoky turret]

On vanguards if you kill ret too fast, I guess would be the closest thing

[random shadow]

just ethical padding is all

[warm crag]

someone else can shift their damage

not your problem

[smoky turret]

Big tru

[tranquil sentinel]

I held my cds like a dolt

Shoulda sent and let god sort it out

[vernal mulch]

for us the add damage wasnt the issue it was boss damage before enrage so we had melee stay on vorasisu

[warm crag]

but also why are you sweeping executes on that fight

[bright ledge]

Is it Arms better than Fury rn?

[vernal mulch]

same with chim prog

[warm crag]

cleave that fucker

[smoky turret]

Sd proc happens

[charred flint]

Yes

If you enjoy both you should play arms

[vernal mulch]

what were ur guys' strat? cuz when we did it we had the first set of fixated adds go wayy back on the wall, then the second set came closer, last set came closer, etc

[bright ledge]

What a weird timeline

[charred flint]

If you dont youre shit out of luck like most of us in here

[bright ledge]

I like arms but i dont have gear for it

[vernal mulch]

idk what u mean by this tho

[charred flint]

Its usually better than Fury tho

[bright ledge]

really? i saw it different idk

good to know

[charred flint]

I think for the last two tiers arms was dog

[eager stirrup]

I haven’t played arms since mythic silken court

[charred flint]

But besides that in my memory IS usually better balanced damage wise even tho some of us feel that It plays like crap

[alpine palm]

Anyone know why warrior is catching a nerf of any sort? I get that the net effect is definitely a buff, but why nerf at all?

[teal slate]

blizz hates us thats why

[charred flint]

They dont seem tô be looking at numbers right now Just How Spec plays

[fringe vale]

Tbh they should both be always good. Arms usually fulfilled the role of st execute boss buster and fury was the bursty more tanky one that excelled on cleave dmg

Now its all mixed up

[charred flint]

Probably getting buffed after

[eager stirrup]

Blizzard = not intelligent enough to look at numbers or graphs

[charred flint]

Fury hasnt been about Burst for a while now besides one single patch

[vernal mulch]

lul

[eager stirrup]

Vibe balancing

[smoky turret]

Nah, we’re getting 4% and left at that

[alpine palm]

lol

[vernal mulch]

literally a 9k diff in 5 min st

this was 3 days ago

[charred flint]

I mean, gear?

[smoky vale]

you do as arms

[alpine palm]

Ong something has been weird with Arms Slayer sims for awhile.

[vernal mulch]

regemm/reenchanted, changed gear

oh we blamin sims now?

[fringe vale]

Yeah but my point being, arms has always been played before fury specially during progression because of its high single target boss dmg output

[vernal mulch]

our st sims inaccurate?

[fringe vale]

Unless its rlly bad

[alpine palm]

I can't say with certainty, but if you look at sims Arms Slayer is behind Fury Thane in 1, 2 ,5 and 10 target sims for both 2 and 5 minute durations.

In practice, this isn't true

[alpine palm]

so I assume something is wrong

[smoky turret]

Which it was half of the time

[charred flint]

You changed a trinket and a ring, thats not changing gear lol

[alpine palm]

Then Fury Thane players are sandbagging high keys 🤷

[smoky vale]

how are the sims in accurate

fury does more than arms

in st

this has been known for months

[vernal mulch]

trinket, belt, chest, enchants, gems

btw that trinket is giving me giga mast and now is giving me huge crit

[smoky vale]

also are you simming only st or only key st

[charred flint]

Also arms hás funnel right

Só their Boss damage is higher

[vernal mulch]

thats a pretty significant stat change bro

what are u talking about

[charred flint]

If its an add fight, which every figjt in this Raid is

[alpine palm]

I don't know and I could be totally off base, but in sims Fury Thane is superior to Arms Slayer and this holds for 1, 2, 5 and 10 targets. But in practice, at least in high keys, Arms Slayer is outperforming Fury Thane. I'm trying to figure out what that is, but at a glance it makes me think something is going on with sims

[smoky vale]

funnel

does more relevant damage

all of thanes damage is pad

[charred flint]

I wont touch arms with a 10 foot pole but do they use Slayer in Raid?

[smoky vale]

no offense

[vernal mulch]

yes but so far with the encounter design and how my team has been progging the mythic fights us melee, not even just warriors have not been getting a lot of add/funnel uptime so

[random shadow]

every boss but vanguard

[smoky vale]

because raid and m+ are different

[vernal mulch]

idk if u saw the context of that convo

warrior57

but thats what i meant

[smoky turret]

If an ad needs to die for the boss to be killed

[vernal mulch]

yes, warrior has great prio dam in 3+ target built into their kit

[smoky turret]

How is it pad

[charred flint]

I mean look at damage to boss in wcl

Fury is dead last

By a large margin

No point in arguing with sims

When the fights ARE there already

[smoky vale]

because as thane in aoe

[vernal mulch]

and arms is inflated

[alpine palm]

This is just personal policy but if the add will die to incidental damage like natural cleave from the main boss then it becomes pad

[smoky vale]

all you press is thunder clap

[alpine palm]

If the add needs attention to die, then not pad

Eg. 4th boss Season 1 TWW.

Those are clearly pad. They gonna die.

They aren't a threat. They do need to die, but they aren't durable

[vernal mulch]

lmfao.. i show u sims
u disagree cuz.... my gear isnt changed enough?
wcl arms warriors are

padding

[warm crag]

you mean rashanan?

[young swan]

same as yours, we just did it before anyone else did

[fringe vale]

Is it pad when everyone else fishes for adds dmg to inflate their parses? Leaving little to none add windows uptime? Can that be considered pad, even if adds have to die, but boss dmg gets sacrificed for the egomaniacal selfs of others?

[smoky turret]

Theres rarely anytime when adds don’t need killing

[charred flint]

How are they padding damage to Boss dawg

That doesnt make any sense

[smoky vale]

also no way you are playing that page on vorasius

[alpine palm]

I think so, yes. Damage meter holds too much influence over people's decisions, imo.

[young swan]

i mean your viewset is very narrow and if you were new to mythic prog it would make sense but if you arent then its just bad

[warm crag]

like the boss that famously many guilds started wiping to cause of the wclogs allstar removal of the adds cause the adds just started killing ppl?

[vernal mulch]

ok so have u progged vorasius?

[gaunt loom]

i miss tww season3 slayer fury bruh

[smoky turret]

Its just sometimes other class does it better with a better dmg profile or have funnel

[smoky vale]

rank 1 on that fight is just hitting the boss

what pad

[fringe vale]

For me padding was something like, carapace of nzoth small pustules that got removed from wl later, that could be damaged on the way inside but had no real impact at all

[olive wraith]

Nah, current playstyle is better

[charred flint]

The Second Boss? What kind of weird flex is This lmao

[vernal mulch]

bro im not flexing

im asking

[random shadow]

ayo i can justifiy wanting to play arms in raid besides vanguard now? :O

[rich flame]

Padding is a way of life

[charred flint]

Yes i have killed Vorasius

[vernal mulch]

why is it so hard to have a convo without someone insulting each other or getting insulted

[quiet geyser]

For thane sure. Current slayer is ass cheeks

[smoky vale]

can we go over what this convo is about again

im getting slight c

[vernal mulch]

so u know how for the first add set u bring the adds all the way back? and subsequent add sets u bring em closer to the boss along the wall cuz of the permanent pools?

[young swan]

if slarms execute cleaving from vorasius adds onto boss is degenerate pad or not

[smoky vale]

its not

!

[charred flint]

Yes, what about it

[smoky vale]

gives you boss damage

[smoky turret]

This is THE fury chat, enraging is the highest prio last time i checked

[olive wraith]

How is slayer worse

[fringe vale]

Dragons, if you’re not there yet, you can do massive boss dmg with the right possitioning with arms demo, and if the adds are set correctly near boss, you can do even more dmg to boss and adds.

[alpine palm]

Me too :c

[charred flint]

We literallt have wrecking throw as higher prio than rb

[gaunt loom]

yeah

[charred flint]

This is degenerate

[alpine palm]

Spam RB, spin like a maniac, big damage nombr, nice single target dam

[quiet geyser]

Filling in whirlwind/rend all the time, rb sucks ass, less spinning cuz am doesnt affect bs

[echo rapids]

Ironically s3 fury feels more like a proper midnight pruned spec

[raw magnet]

Ye but raging blow generates rage

I don't think wrecking throw does

[echo rapids]

Rend? Throw in my rotation?

[smoky nacelle]

facts

[alpine palm]

Yeah that shouldnt be a thing, imo. Optimizing rotation around the top 15% of your damage feels good, optimizing rotation for the bottom 15% of damage feels tedious

[young swan]

yeah it just does a fuck load of damage

[raw magnet]

as an aside, shattering throw in pve should do an aoe frontal shield break

[charred flint]

Lets kill Button bloat then Fury hás tô press rend and wrecking throw lmao

[vernal mulch]

so the way my team did it was by having melee stay on boss if not fixated, so i was saying with that strat, arms doesnt have anything to SS or funnel with, and fury doesnt have anything to aoe

[young swan]

enough damage to make it worth using over raging blow

[olive wraith]

Wrecking is what? 45 seconds

Hardly rotational

[smoky nacelle]

almost spit out my drink rn

[fringe vale]

Bro just send rb’s when youre low on rage and u dont have bt available

[raw magnet]

Fury doesn't have much button bloat

arms does

[fringe vale]

Easy as that

[vernal mulch]

cuz with range switching to adds they died quick enough and we didnt need to commit mdps to kill adds, which is different from how xan did it
but in that case with a 9k difference in ST sims fury does better in that scenario

[raw magnet]

Fury I can easily fit all the abilities on my bars

arms is a panic attack

[smoky turret]

Max melee can still hit both, especially on the rush phase

[charred flint]

It does considering that we didnt use tô press neither WR or rend lmao

[young swan]

i dont particularly mind wrecking throw during a shit ton of damage, i just think its jarring and unintuitive which goes directly against the stated design goals for midnight

[charred flint]

And now we do

[fringe vale]

Its about the same tbh lol

[charred flint]

Effectively two more buttons than before

[raw magnet]

nah

[young swan]

arms has like 3 more abilities

[vernal mulch]

for us the melee couldnt really hit on the first add phase. maybe on second?

[eager stirrup]

What’s everyone’s gearing strategy with the cores and with the void forge shit?

I’m guessing upgrade crafted weapon, even if I have a mythic vault weapon, because stats are in-optimal and I can use the crafted as Arms if I decide to play Arms.

[vernal mulch]

def on 3rd

[pale sentinel]

Make Slayer Fury Great Again: MSFGA

[young swan]

wrong reply

sorry @charred flint

[olive wraith]

That’s what I’m saying? I don’t mind wrecking being higher prio

[charred flint]

I mean they Just shat the bed with what they Said was the goal with midnight pruning for warriors

[echo rapids]

I think any myth weapon beats a crafted

[charred flint]

Not debating which spec is more bloated or less

It Just feels fucking stupid

[young swan]

i think fury is mostly fine

[fringe vale]

Yes

[young swan]

avatar probably shouldnt be a button anymore

[eager stirrup]

Can we currently sim this? What is the downside to crafted?

[young swan]

but arms for some reason has avatar AND ravager

[smoky turret]

On the fight, the logs aren’t that much higher than your st sim, meaning ppl just cleave the last set

[alpine palm]

I can agree with that. If what we have is meant to be an improvement from TWW then ya they failed

[charred flint]

I really dislike RB being so bad

[raw magnet]

Yeah I agree with that

[young swan]

on top of having an aoe rotational spender

[charred flint]

But besides that yah Fury gameplay has been Fine for a long time

[fringe vale]

Rend should be applied on crit hit from aa and from abilities imho

[raw magnet]

Talents should just have recklessness do the things avatar does in thane

[charred flint]

IS Just sometimes our numbers ARE dogwater

[fringe vale]

Idk why it is a button

[young swan]

id be fine with it just not existing

[echo rapids]

The Ilvl is a bigger gain than proper secondary stats

[indigo totem]

If rend auto applies it should just be removed

[young swan]

put the power into deep wounds and cshb

[alpine palm]

Same. Dunno how DoTs are part of the warrior power fantasy

but ok blizz

[eager stirrup]

They can both be upgraded to 298, right?

[young swan]

i mean it makes perfect sense

[echo rapids]

No

[charred flint]

I mean they are for arms

[young swan]

arguably more sense than it does for rogue

[warped bone]

Do we know if the 298 upgrade item is available tomorrow? Or do we build it over a few weeks like the forge

[fringe vale]

Bleeds are as old as the release of vanilla wow loo

[indigo totem]

I don't expect things to bleed when I hit them with a sword smh

[raw magnet]

The fact that I can tunnel vision and press recklessness with avatar at .1 second cd and misalign cds slightly pisses me off a bit

[echo rapids]

Crafted gains the same Ilvl increase but it will always be lower

[alpine palm]

I get that's something they've baked into the kit, but when people think of big angry man with sword I don't think that dealing damage over time is part of that fantasy

[vernal mulch]

i mean i understand how it would seem narrow but i specifically linked my sims and referred to my prog experience and ur just calling it bad because its dissimilar to yours?

[indigo totem]

As opposed to what you doing the opposite?

[young swan]

well in this case you're just straight up wrong because the discussion was about whether or not arms cleaving execute was ethical

[alpine palm]

The concept of ethical dps is both hilarious and also completely real.

[young swan]

any time you can engineer a situation to use a button that you wouldn't oridinarily be able to use that results in a dps gain isnt just ethical, its expected

[charred flint]

Common xan W

[vernal mulch]

oh i was saying specifically for my scenario it wasnt really possible since melee was supposed to stay on boss and i cant reach boss and adds for 1st and 2nd add set

i do see what u mean tho

[young swan]

it only borders into unethical territory if you're being allowed to solo adds for a parse or something

intentionally delaying add deaths to pad damage

but even that can be a grey area

[charred flint]

Zuul rogue unethical af

[sullen dove]

yea i mean if its not possible for you to take advantage of then you cant not a big deal it happens

i would assume doesnt happen often for most people eitheru ntil very last set where u can explode adds on the wall

or 2nd set maybe if you kill b4 third beam and dont have to worry bout add placements

[indigo totem]

Just do what your raid leader asked of you. You have 4 months of farm to parse if you care.

[sullen dove]

but if you can sweep an execute off a mob to hit the mob and the boss, then that is better boss damage

[vernal mulch]

i was discussing the pure st of the specs for boss damage during prog

it got turned into something else

[vernal mulch]

ye

[sullen dove]

not only cuz you hit the boss with an execute you otherwise wouldnt've been able to, but also cause 35% mortal strike dmg from EP hits boss too

yuh

[echo rapids]

Every raid is different and allocating the various damage profile tools and cooldowns will always be a raid specific issue

[alpine palm]

What about in keys? If I just hold my abilities on this boss I can get bigger number during add spawn, but this invariably increases time to kill the boss as I could have had another Recklessness cast - it just wouldnt have synced up with the add spawn

[sullen dove]

the most turbo ethical thing would be only exe off add and mortalstrike/op on boss

[charred flint]

But there is no pure St in This raid

[sullen dove]

so the abilities that can be cast on the boss are at full effectiveness and not like 75%

[charred flint]

Arms has funnel and we dont

Even tho we sim higher in st

[young swan]

just depends on if you're overkilling adds or not

[charred flint]

Our Boss damage This tier is trash

[smoky vale]

omega cancer to tab back and forth

cheers

[vernal mulch]

cuz changing chest, belt, trink, enchants, and gems mt fury simmed about 9k higher than slayer arms so i asked if fury would be better for prog

[sullen dove]

do it or die

[smoky vale]

only if you pick up the phone

[raw magnet]

Does Guardian Druid outdps fury?

[smoky vale]

for once

[sullen dove]

disc phone is a plague on this earth

[young swan]

if your cooldowns can singlehandedly cover the add spawn and it allows someone else with stronger cds to pump them into boss/save for next pack then its just objectively good to send them

[charred flint]

If they had convoke probably

[vernal mulch]

yes theres no pure st in this raid and arms has funnel/prio but so far add damage has not been a problem for us, its been boss damage, and as a melee i havent gotten opportunities to use said funnel so

[smoky vale]

give me your number then

[young swan]

but if cds are overkill then who cares

[raw magnet]

[echo rapids]

Yeah it’s not a one size fits all thing

[smoky vale]

you cannot funnel as arms in raid besides dragons

maybe beloren

[vernal mulch]

been my experience

[vernal mulch]

hmm we probs didnt do it that way cuz we already devoted our two dks to go on either wall and grip and nuke adds with whoever was fixated

cuz the fixatee had to go to the wall

[young swan]

arms ST is still just better than fury because it deals damage in a more important part of the fight for all of the bosses. They're also very similar just in raw damage because fury plays thane and its basically equivalent to slarms (pre-12.0.5)

post 12.0.5 arms is just outright better in every case

not even a question

[bright ledge]

me when I step in a piece of lego

[echo rapids]

A bit weaker defensively

[vernal mulch]

so we couldnt just send "one guy" to nuke adds

[echo rapids]

Requires better D stance usage

[sullen dove]

all 3 prolly within like 5-10k of eachother atp

minus colo st cluegi

[charred flint]

Did arms also lose their defensive?

[smoky vale]

cluegi

[echo rapids]

Thane just passively tankier than slayer arms

[vernal mulch]

yea ill see what happens if i sim again from today onwards

[frail prism]

Yeah but arms sucks soooo....

[vernal mulch]

that 9k diff was massive

my aoe wasnt really needed for chimaerus intermission either so

basically i was just on the boss most of that fight like most of the melee

[smoky turret]

so just play w/e you want

[vernal mulch]

i guess i see what u mean by execute damage is more meaningful?

[lofty seal]

Are most serious warrior raiders then considering going to colo arms

[smoky turret]

ur guild doesn't need warr dmg profile on that fight

[charred flint]

Whats weird about Fury RN is that our numbers are só bad that we Just are a master of none spec

We dont do nothing better than anythong

[teal slate]

i dunno were rivaling ret in whining

[vernal mulch]

im gonna try to play both but from what ive experienced so far arms doesnt seem to be "better"

[sullen dove]

the best thing we do is going from st to aoe with dropping next to no single target, or actually no st in current case i think

except the st is dogshit

and the aoe is dogshit too

so

[lofty seal]

Ive tried colo arms and man it feels kinda clunky compared to fury, made me sadge

[sullen dove]

colo does have way too many buttons

does feel bloat asf

[vernal mulch]

i dont think war dmg profile is needed this raid tier lulz
having an identity crisis while raiding
im just there for raidbuff

[smoky turret]

yep

[charred flint]

Thats our id

[smoky turret]

or nahg

[lofty seal]

Someone asked me to just clear fear for m chim the other night i felt so useless

[charred flint]

5% ap

[smoky turret]

just go prot

[echo rapids]

Both our tanks refuse to play prot so…

[smoky turret]

and bring a real spec into raid

[ashen swallow]

That's probably the worst part for me, fury still feels better to play even if it's not doing any damage

[vernal mulch]

yep, but after the .5 patch arms and fury does same st?

[fringe vale]

prot is fun also

[sullen dove]

pretty much the same but arms' concentration of dmg just better

and i dont think as heavily uptime reliant

u still want uptime for av/cs cdr sure but it doesnt feel like it snaps your neck as much if you are forced off

[smoky turret]

are your guild fine with progging with a dps warr then

[vernal mulch]

?

[smoky turret]

because if they are i don't see why can't you just play w/e you want

[vernal mulch]

i see

[young swan]

feels better than fury tbh

[sullen dove]

like 1:1 arms and fury should perform about identical on a boss like vorasius

[young swan]

i like thane for like

3 weeks

[sullen dove]

but dragons onward arms just takes the cake

[young swan]

maybe a lil more

[vernal mulch]

oh
ye theyre fine. i just want to play the more meaningful spec for our prog

[sullen dove]

like 99 out of 100 times

[smoky turret]

if you are seriuos on this, then prot

[vernal mulch]

oh we alr got our tanks and i dont tank luls

[smoky turret]

then swap

[vernal mulch]

i see what u mean tho 😭

[smoky turret]

yep yep

no hard feelings

just the way it is

blz did it

[vernal mulch]

ye

[unkempt oasis]

People at blizzard definitely know how math works

[vernal mulch]

what do u mean by raw damage here?

[sullen dove]

just like.. sim dps im assuming

both arms and fury are basically revolving around 100k

max bis gear

[vernal mulch]

but raw damage pre .5 patch than fury was doing 9k more than slarms for me
so are my sims inaccurate

[sullen dove]

yea fury was a little better before today but it got a 2% nerf and arms got 2% buff

[smoky turret]

no you don't have the max gear yet

i assume

[sullen dove]

also going from fury to arms is not good gearwise

a lot of stats and stuff are needed for arms that u dont have as fury

[young swan]

arms is often chosen over fury currently because a lot of the fights function in such a way that the damage that matters most is in the back half of the fight, arms just does way more damage in the last half than fury, so despite the fact that fury does more damage over the course of the whole fight, arms is preferable

[sullen dove]

like you'd probably need new arms specific jewelry and recraft your gear to crit/haste most likely

things like that

[vernal mulch]

nah

[frail prism]

But but but hear me out. Arms is ass.

[young swan]

in what way

[vernal mulch]

yea i posted my sims here earlier where i regemmed, reenchanted, and changed chest, belt, trink (radiant -> umbral) plume, etc and it was still a 9k diff so

[sullen dove]

at the end of the day tho it is comparing one pile of shit to another in terms of raid performance but arms is probably a good 5-10% better on most encounters at least past what they look like on sims

[frail prism]

Arms has just always been ass to play.

[vernal mulch]

gotcha

[sullen dove]

and like 20-30% better on paladins lol

[young swan]

thats your subjective opinion

what im saying has no bearing on that

[vernal mulch]

hahaahahaha

[jolly ridge]

so how fucked slayer fury still will rampage triggering reaps be better?

[sullen dove]

it is better on aoe but worse on single target

[olive wraith]

I think it’s better design

[jolly ridge]

worse than now? hard to imaging

[sullen dove]

start imagining

[jolly ridge]

i think fury slayer is lowest now on st

[vernal mulch]

so execute dam > overall dam
arms gets punished less by downtime
can funnel if able
so arms a bit better than fury even if pure st sims arms sims a bit lower than fury

[sullen dove]

yea p much

[jolly ridge]

i'll run slayer in raid, screw this thane

[vernal mulch]

does that mean slayer is better than colo for most of the fights cuz slayer is built arount execute

[sullen dove]

not just execute but its more boss damage in general

colossus is only really good at omega aoe

which is pretty much just dragons if you want to pad or paladins

every other boss should be slayer

[olive wraith]

Colo has ass pure st afaik

[vernal mulch]

ugh but imma probs have to go colo for paladins tho

[young swan]

u can colossus on salhadaar for giga pad as well

[sullen dove]

it would be a lot better on pally yes

[jolly ridge]

im glad unholy got buffed, they clearly were struggling

[young swan]

we all feel the same way

[sullen dove]

servers will surely be up in 10 minutes

and i get to even look at my vault before raid starts in an hour

[sterile hearth]

in before extention

[vernal mulch]

man parsing is so ass this tier

[sullen dove]

[young swan]

parsing is miserable in every tier

[frail prism]

Just let the hate flow through me

[vernal mulch]

at least in previous tiers i didnt have to rat as hard to parse
rn for me i kinda have to go against the prog strat

[sullen dove]

most early bosses should be at the point where ur not fighting enrage timer and can allocate a bit more to pad if you want

but it is hard to do that even if u try most of the time

[jolly ridge]

hey at least we dont have to press rend in slayer fury, it is something

[sullen dove]

cuz low hp stuff just dies so fast if more than like 3 ppl attack it

we were like kings of salhadaar orbs week 1/2 and now like 1 single chicken starfall deletes them

[vernal mulch]

yea esp now with the .5 buffs shits gonna melt

[sullen dove]

but its not like u can ever wipe to salhadaar enrage really unless entire raid is just grayparsing boss dmg so might as well try to aoe em a little

[vernal mulch]

so fast

[sullen dove]

at minimum just saving an odyns every set

[vernal mulch]

is heart + gaze better for keys or is puzzle box + heart/gaze better

[sullen dove]

probably pbox if you have big planned pulls around it

[young swan]

^

[sullen dove]

also fine to try out in pugs but gets a lot better with coordinated group

[smoky turret]

^

[smoky nacelle]

^

[sullen dove]

can rly do either combo tho if u dont want to bother with the on use

^

server up btw if my game ever updates

[smoky vale]

for arms or fury?

[vernal mulch]

wanted to ask for both

[smoky turret]

but no pbox bad i mald everytime i use

me no smash

me mad

[echo rapids]

Free yourself from the parse chase

[vernal mulch]

i hate using pbox tho

[smoky turret]

me open box and pad die

[sullen dove]

i never wanted to touch pbox in my life but then saw eroka use it on bird and figured i must

[spare steppe]

Puzzle box feels bad

[smoky vale]

i think its heart gaze feather (guidon arms) box skyreach

[spare steppe]

I cant convince myself

[sullen dove]

fortunately got after like 4 or so runs

[echo rapids]

If I can get a low purple while making the boss die fast and the Strat be executed properly, I’m happy

[sullen dove]

[abstract tulip]

what makes heart of wind so bad

[sullen dove]

eh you could use it for arms but just kinda too much haste i think

you dont want to lose like 100 haste cuz it makes the rest of your rotation feel bad

[smoky turret]

haste being not as good

[sullen dove]

when you proc you get a glimpse of a normal rotation speed

[smoky turret]

bad rppm

bad value

idk

[sullen dove]

but if ur at a normal haste amount getting 200 more isnt as helpful as more dmg

well i didnt get the alleria neck very tragic but 2 of the other pieces i needed

40 crest save on each poggers

[young swan]

holy

[vernal mulch]

dem hands tho

[sullen dove]

oyea didnt even see that

i mean

eh tbh

not that crazy for arms probably and not using alleria neck

can always coin em

think 40 free crests just better methinks

[echo rapids]

So many drops for each m+ dungeon though

[young swan]

10 item loot pool dungeon

[sullen dove]

yea but eh

[random shadow]

Can we just do 4 tier 1 bountiful delve for the forge quest

[scarlet swift]

Already 4 days old content

[vernal mulch]

oh is it not that good for arms?

[sullen dove]

its like fine but i think its only rly "necessary" if u use alleria neck which fury can but think harder for arms

[smoky vale]

WE NEED TO SKIN SOREIDHS

[sullen dove]

giving up like 200 crit bad

[smoky vale]

lets go do pit of saron

i need to bonus roll all my shit

[sullen dove]

yes with bonus rolls that are def available right now and u dont still have to do 3 keys to get the quest done

[dapper goblet]

@sullen dove fellow gloves haver in vaulter

xan is so jealous

[sullen dove]

dont think i even pickin dat shit

over 40 crest save

[smoky vale]

i mean we get the thing to unlock if we do 3 keys

why do you have c

get on laval or dragindeez

get the vault out of the way

[sullen dove]

yea i mean can do 1 or 2 mid sim but my raid in liderly 50 min

[spare steppe]

Why is 40 crest save bigger than hand

[smoky vale]

we do 1

man or mouse

[sullen dove]

idk cuz +6/7 ilvl of stats is nice

and may need most dmg can get on bird

even tho itll be like 2 dps from me

[vernal mulch]

is it hands for me or shoulders

[random shadow]

Can't you do 3 tier 1 bountiful delves quickly for thr forg eno?

[smoky vale]

prob

[vernal mulch]

wait no its not shoulders that shit drops from first boss what am i talking about lmfao

[random shadow]

Gloves no?

[lyric cliff]

Hands imo

[fluid kayak]

gloves

[warm bramble]

Help.
What would be the least bad option?

[lyric cliff]

But I'm also Jaden can't get them to drop at all

[young swan]

i got 3 pairs of shoulders

i have mythic shoulders

took a socket

[sullen dove]

u mean a bonus roll

[echo rapids]

You mean a bonus roll

[young swan]

yeah realistically

i just havent done the quest

i mean socket kinda nice

[spare steppe]

i do wonder when a bonus roll > socket

[sullen dove]

bountiful delves might be good shout tho

[young swan]

just get my wrists socketed

[sullen dove]

rip 3 keys on t1 cuz they useless

[scarlet swift]

pfft, how are you people even logging in, how'd you beat that boss

[sullen dove]

i mean a socket only like 400 dps or so no

[young swan]

isnt it more

[spare steppe]

hand gang!

[young swan]

i thought it was like 1k

[lyric cliff]

Better then 0

[sullen dove]

maybe idk didnt think that much

could be wack sim tho

[young swan]

surely a socket is more consistently good than 1 bonus roll no?

[random shadow]

Clearly its hook

[meager lion]

myth chest or hero heart :thonk:

[sullen dove]

if ur like full capped on myth crests and cant spend more prolly yea

[spare steppe]

dont you say that

[sullen dove]

but think if u got like 200 to spare

[lyric cliff]

Not if the bonus roll gets you a mythic piece with a socket

[young swan]

yeah fair

[sullen dove]

more gear epic

[young swan]

i have like

140?

[spare steppe]

myth helm is nice but like HAND GANG

[young swan]

and nothing to spend on other than cloak

but i would need to loot chest or legs

i guess ring is good too

or wep

[vernal patio]

How will slayer perform now in M+ compared to mountain thane? 😮

[sullen dove]

a little better but still worse probably

[daring badge]

always myth track weap right

if not trinks

[lyric cliff]

I'd assume so

[edgy widget]

wow, who would have guessed?

[daring badge]

xD

[lyric cliff]

Still Slayer ST/MT raid minus maybe paladins MT then right? And for M+?

[random shadow]

No way Jose!

[spare steppe]

now show us the unnerfed version!

[sullen dove]

now show us the st slayer nerfs

[edgy widget]

imagine playing Fury Slayer in Midnight

[sullen dove]

fury slayer

[olive wraith]

Is thane still nerfed?

[edgy widget]

only for you

[frozen scarab]

why am i still stuck on logging in to the game server 😭

[olive wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-outrageous-unfair-i-dont-believe-it-anakin-skywalker-gif-17141007

[coarse nest]

illidan and a52 cant log in so far that I know of

[frozen scarab]

wow.

[merry scaffold]

So overall what's the damage with the changes? Both for Thane vs Slayer content and Fury vs Arms

[olive wraith]

Yes #updates-midnight

[random shadow]

Happens every semi and major patch

[coarse nest]

yep

[red berry]

nothing. but dev and unholy will do more

[coarse nest]

10 morbillion people logging in at the exact same time because servers open up directly at the end of work hours

imagine

[uneven path]

Isnt it like colossus arms > mt fury > sslayer arms > slayer fury

[winged hill]

Im stuck in this horrible thing

[scarlet swift]

God i fking hate this game....

[random shadow]

Welcome to populated servers

[random shadow]

Tbf you could've done 8 keys

[coarse nest]

IM IN TRY AGAIN

[winged hill]

I play on Illidan

[scarlet swift]

I cant handle seeing 2 myth cloaks

[random shadow]

Which is one of the modt if not second populated server lol

[charred flint]

? Its a Full server

[frozen scarab]

grrr

[uneven path]

Surely some secrete Slury buffs

[zinc python]

anyone else stuck at logging into game server?

ah, yea stormrage too