fury

[soft whale]

So at this point MT is for M+ and slayer is better for raid ST and cleave?

[magic prairie]

Hi guys! Can someone give me a talent code for ST Mountain Thane? Wanna try it on raid

[daring laurel]

take the one off wowhead

[magic prairie]

Sweet. Ok thanks

[proven hornet]

Where are my sneaky ST buffs overnight?

[frozen scarab]

only I would fail to time a key bc some gluesniffer forgot to repair before the dungeon

[scarlet swift]

Download the auto-repair addon

[dry hawk]

Sounds like me, I have 500g to my name

[rare flame]

Boys what are we saying about bonus rolls 👀 summoning non mythic raiders

Prolly nexus for ring set + gloves can i get an amen?

[mild cove]

Do we think we will get some ST buffs? lol

[unborn delta]

NO

[mild cove]

hate that lol

[frank dawn]

If it were any other class, maybe. But blizzard enjoys having warriors spread cheek and them inserting entire arm bone.

[graceful rapids]

They will probably wait to see how the current changes settle before we get tuning.

[frank dawn]

Yeah they are kind of making a lot of changes across the board. It’s frustrating but makes sense they’ll wait for a week of data before tuning

[quiet geyser]

Fury shouldn't need more data.. its arguably the worse spec in the game for raid right now, atleast bottom 3

Its gonna get even worse on Tuesday after quite a few other specs get buffs and we get nothing 😅

[compact knot]

its aight on the first couple of bosses but is bad on the bosses that matter

[formal jacinth]

Is there ever a reason not to macro reckeless/avatar as one? Like would i ever use one without the other?

[olive wraith]

Macro is fine

[fierce rampart]

So I was looking at Archon and it is showing arms is doing better in Mythic plus than Fury. When I sim my Fury warrior as Mountain Thane it sims a bit better than Arms Colossus and MUCH better than Arms Slayer. Even more interesting is per Archon that is what people are running in M+, Arms Slayer.

anyone know why this would be the case?

[bitter palm]

in an actual key

colo arms does like

30% more aoe

[tranquil gazelle]

Arms slayer trades uncapped AOE for boss dam.

[slim coral]

Colo will just do more in aoe

Colo is really bad at ST though without funnel

[compact knot]

sims arent really real when used in the context of m+, colo arms has some of the highest overalls in the game. Slayer arms traded a small amount of aoe to do more boss dps, however at super high end keys with tanks that can drag funnel into bosses colossus is the highest ST in the game.

[trail bane]

When looking at the top keys the players are trying to solve different problems than most people are. Increasing priority damage becomes more valuable for example.

[trail bane]

do you have any source where i can see how funnel affects various specs? :o

[tranquil gazelle]

If tank pulls around colo arms (aka mobs into boss) colo arms will smoke slayer, if not, I still hit higher overall on keys as colo than slayer so long as pull sizes are big

[compact knot]

nah

well kinda

[fierce rampart]

Thanks for the great feedback

[compact knot]

if you check farover pit of saron you can see how hard he is gapping the other 2 dps on boss damage

he is playing colossus and has the highest boss damage in the world in pit of saron

i think that goes to show you something important

they removed and reduced a lot of funnel aspect of some specs

[bitter palm]

ye funnel is rare

like actual funnel

not getting 5% more prio f

[compact knot]

arcane still has it but its not even remotely close to what it was last season for example

arms is the rare spec though where they GAINED a ton of funnel

[trail bane]

Well, Farover is playing with a Feral and an Outlaw right

[bitter palm]

arms always had funnel

[trail bane]

Feral gives up basicaly all their st to do more aoe and Outlaw isnt really famous for being a good ST spec

[bitter palm]

but it was weak asf

outlaw does good st

[trail bane]

compared to what

[bitter palm]

rest of the specs

[compact knot]

let me show u smth

[bitter palm]

he is doing like

100k

in m+

the outlaw farover plays with

[trail bane]

Hes doing like 100k including dps to the mobs they pull in as funnel

[compact knot]

not including dps to the mobs

thats boss dps

[trail bane]

Its not 100k single target

[compact knot]

it is

[trail bane]

All i have is the monks stream

[compact knot]

this is garfrost

only boss damage

[trail bane]

Which has dmg meter showing overall dps

[compact knot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pb9VrwgQJDjtnRNA?fight=17&type=damage-done&targetclass=Boss&pull=5

107k

107k is very very high

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Tpkmx7zVQHMj1fNR?fight=4&type=damage-done&pull=9&target=50

116k

on 2nd boss of maisara

[bitter palm]

dk and locks and ddh do that mcuh

with aug

xd

idk that meta comp is fake as fuck

[compact knot]

yeah it is

china is the only people pushing keys hard rn

[sullen dove]

bean sayin aug needs to stop getting glazed

it is ass

[compact knot]

and they refuse to play melee

only uhdk, dev dh, aug, hunter

uhdk is a fake melee

[bitter palm]

dk is fake

im 99.99999999% sure

dk is fake

[compact knot]

im not impressed when i play it

and i know im decent at it so

its only impressive when you pull 100 mobs

[bitter palm]

like

i dont understand

[compact knot]

said this all on beta btw

[bitter palm]

why are they playing lock/ddh + dk + aug

[compact knot]

call me a prophet

[bitter palm]

why not lock + aug + ddh

ddh legit mogs dk

[compact knot]

ddh is actually busted asf tho

that spec is real

getting buffed next week btw

[bitter palm]

ddh and demo lock

are both real

very very real

i think they could drag and drop arms in there unironically

cause arms doesnt benefit much from phys comps

[compact knot]

need a resto shaman

[bitter palm]

its everyone else

nah u can no skyfury it

[compact knot]

ehhh

[bitter palm]

i mean u could also just play rsham no

u lose motw but eh

[compact knot]

rsham good next week also

so

[tidal cargo]

So are we now acutally gettin nerfed?

[compact knot]

BM with Rdruid or Rsham

[compact knot]

nope but not buffed

small st loss i think idfk

[tidal cargo]

How will it affect us

[compact knot]

this spec is bad so idc anymore

[tidal cargo]

Meh

Anyone plays Arms now eh?

[bitter palm]

been playing it since week 1

[compact knot]

everyone that isnt a fury 1trick yeah

[tidal cargo]

Aight

[compact knot]

kill or be killed is a bis talent on myth lura

thinking about it

[trail bane]

this seems pretty bugged, says he cast Slam 3 times for 1.25 mil per average cast when looking at just boss dmg, same with Heroic Strike - 2 casts for 1.32m each

they both have like 3 casts for 53 hits, 2 casts for 17 hits

afaik thats not how slam or heroic strike works

[compact knot]

it doesnt count slam from FOB as casts

[trail bane]

Ah right

[compact knot]

so its attributing actual casts to the FOB damage

[trail bane]

Makes sense

[compact knot]

im 99% sure

[trail bane]

its just interesting that his ingame damage meter also says 107k dps

but its segment not boss dmg

[compact knot]

ingame dps meter is like not accurate a lot of times

id trust a log over a blizzard dps meter now 100 times out of 100

[trail bane]

Well it recorded the exact same dps as the logs did (if you look at boss dmg in the log)

[bitter palm]

ye + 0 hp mobs dont count

[trail bane]

nvm it didnt

[bitter palm]

idk the dps meter is something

in game

[worn rain]

🔮

hey crystall ball I'm top dps?

YES DEFINITELY

[trail bane]

im turning senile or something because i could have sworn i looked at the stream recording and it said 107k at the end of the pull but it doesnt

[bitter palm]

🔮 : are you colo arms?

[worn rain]

crystall ball dps meter gonna say you're top even you are colo prot lmao

[slim coral]

No

[worn rain]

last time my damage meter was that innaccurate when I forget to update scada during pandaria

[dim spindle]

To top the meters just have a hard cap of 250 ilvl for your group mates

Alternatively, higher ilvl but just bad

[deep siren]

Blizzard’s spec balancing has been soooo weird this expansion

[urban sandal]

Any good suggestions / guides on how to work on getting better dps on raid bosses?

[worn rain]

Wowhead guides for basic rotation / your favorite warrior for POV in raids

[edgy umbra]

How are you guys tracking enrage? Any helpful add-ons?

[slim coral]

There are a ton of enrage trackers out there just gotta find one that fits you

[vivid idol]

Default blizz cooldown manager

[thorny cove]

should I reroll dk if I want a chance at the 1% mount? feel like it's gonna be brutal trying to get invited as fury

[olive wraith]

That’s your call friend

[thorny cove]

can't even get invited to 14s

[languid willow]

I legit use the cdm tracker bar for the enrage buff

[smoky vale]

@compact knot waht do i play on dragons

just aoe colo?

[compact knot]

i just play m+ talents on colo

i still have r1 boss damage on that boss with m+ talents so

[smoky vale]

how do i use my cds

[compact knot]

i dont think anything else is better

check lorrgs

[sullen dove]

everything on cd pmuch cept ravager first set of adds p1/2/3 and last set p2

[olive wraith]

Press demolish 509 times

[smoky vale]

god i love this website

[sullen dove]

i mean none of this information matters

except when to avatar and ravager

[covert blaze]

deselect stuff pookie

[sullen dove]

rest ur obviously cs/demoing every add set

[smoky vale]

yeah but idk how often the sets are

also ravager isnt on lorrgs

[covert blaze]

it says right there at the top

[smoky vale]

wtf

[sullen dove]

often enough to hit cs/demo with every set

i already said when to use ravager anyway

[covert blaze]

you can see the spell timeline at the top

mouseover

[smoky vale]

p1/2/3 what does this mean

@sullen dove

[sullen dove]

phase 1 and 2 and 3??

[stable crescent]

is thane getting cooked 12.5? Are we bladestormers again?

[covert blaze]

smartest mpluser 😭 😭 😭 😭

[slim coral]

It’s stands for phase 1,2,3 hello??

Come on gio

[sullen dove]

thane is untouched

[stable crescent]

gaming

[edgy umbra]

You find a bar works best? I run ArcUI and just trying to figure out the best way

[slim coral]

No

The thane changes got reverted

[strange drift]

is it ever worth to consume sudden death procs if u are avad/reckd in thane?

I only do it if im out of rage but idk if im doing it correctly lol

[dry hawk]

bust of power BT/BB feels so much stronger than Tclap/Blast

[slim coral]

Not really no

Better to just spam clap so you can keep avatar going

Assuming you mean aoe?

[strange drift]

yeah aoe/2t

on pure st i dont even consider thane lol

unfort not even one fight in midnight is pure st

[dry hawk]

Guys I did a thing... 😄 over here limit testing a enrage bar w/o the enrage buff visible

[slim coral]

Which part is not visible?

Oh you mean the bar itself

Yeah that’s been a bug for a while

[dry hawk]

naw bar is visible, I made the buff icon disappear

that blue bar in the middle is enrage

[real shuttle]

I haven't seen anywhere that this nerf is being reverted. Does anyone know if it will be nerfed next Tuesday or if it will be reverted?

[edgy widget]

you saw right there that it's being reverted

also try scrolling up

[real shuttle]

Oh sorry, but thanks bro

[sudden tusk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075209185945456684/1495112458686169369/t1_dumbo.gif

[slim coral]

What’s the context behind this gif

I can’t find it anywhere

Is it staged

[edgy widget]

it's a comedic sketch parodying T1 Keria breaking down after losing the 2022 Worlds Grand Finals
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/y_tHMeEFYco

[slim coral]

I thought it was a skit lol good one

Keria the goat

[sudden tusk]

such a good reaction gif

[edgy widget]

the guy is an actual comedian who has done several sketches and has appeared as the "sixth man" in a lot of T1s content
this is the original https://youtu.be/TzsCRtzIhDE?si=oRsYkjtrLT-ov8lR&t=3556 that it's parodying

it seems kinda mean, but it's really just top tier korean memery and marketing. They've done several videos together now where he's parodying things like measuring the computer monitors for exact specifications and getting suspended for "excessive taunting" mid-match

[flat river]

hello archi

https://tenor.com/view/yoyo-white-cat-tiktok-silly-cat-car-gif-5886769307141897158

[dry hawk]

it feels so weird not pressing proc execute inside reck/ava sometimes

[flat river]

if slayer you do

sudden death prio

[junior oyster]

I do agree it feels weird not to be slayer

[flat river]

wdym

[junior oyster]

Just bein a goob. Just a general preference for slaying over clapping

[flat river]

i also play slayer

you are no goob

you are a chad

be proud

[tepid lily]

dead in 4 pulls, how can I get better parse dud

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LKQ2kanBRW47jpwC?fight=41&type=damage-done

https://tenor.com/view/bosnov-67-bosnov-67-67-meme-gif-16727368109953357722

[radiant raven]

is the buff on unrelenting onslaught of 20% more damage on bladestorm enough to offset the removal of the reap the storm from bloodthirst?

[frank dawn]

basically, yes

[sullen dove]

nope

[frank dawn]

it's like a 1% loss on pure single

[radiant raven]

that settles it

[frank dawn]

lol

[sullen dove]

its obv not noticeable but still like beyond all reasoning we still getting a st nerf

"haha funny changing profile and sources of damage"

give us nothing in return

[sudden tusk]

fury is getting basically a ST nerf

[sullen dove]

ty

[frank dawn]

yeah it's still pretty turded to nerf at all, even it's like nothing

[sudden tusk]

arms got an adjustment with slam getting deep wounds

but fury got lol lamao

[frank dawn]

fury is fine guys

the spec is fine

we are very good and desirable in this raid

[flat river]

real

[random shadow]

how s the aoe with that change since rampage is getting the proc now?

[sudden tusk]

i mean fury SHOULD be good on lura and on dragons

its ST just sucks and its "burst" aoe doesnt exist

[frank dawn]

yo dawg, just let me dots tick on all these adds would ya

[random shadow]

can imagine the ramp change should feel decently nice since we mainly click ramp anyways and is our top damage

[radiant raven]

on lura? its mostly ST

[sullen dove]

yea its a bit of a buff on aoe

[sudden tusk]

like i dont mind the direction they are going with fury slayer

[sullen dove]

which is cool

[sudden tusk]

but they HAVE to buff its ST

[olive wraith]

Ramp reap is good idea

[sudden tusk]

on paper how its supposed to be played i like it

[random shadow]

wouldve liked they just kept BT procs and just added rampage procs but it is what it is

as long the ramp procs feels good in aoe in keys im fine with it

[olive wraith]

Nah, it makes sense imo

[random shadow]

as long gameplay feels good im happy

[olive wraith]

Maybe a little execute love

[flat river]

yes

[radiant raven]

i just feel that ST is very lackluster, and that adds die so fast theres no more padding anymore

[random shadow]

would be nice

maybe a bit higher chance to proc would feel probably a bit nicer as well

[dry hawk]

execute dmg buff would be nice, but RB also doesnt exist as a button

[olive wraith]

Oh rb needs Jesus

Or maybe xalatoes

[frank dawn]

no spec should ever be as bad on boss damage as fury is imo

[rare flame]

I miss when sudden death meant something

[frank dawn]

like it doesn't matter what other strengths you might have, you can't just be literal ass water on boss damage

[rare flame]

Sudden death is an inconvenience right now

[random shadow]

i mean not like its gone for slayer

you still wanan click it at least out of avatar

[olive wraith]

For slayer?

[random shadow]

thane i understand but at same time its not really for thane anyways

[flat river]

slayer sudden death you press it always

[random shadow]

not during avatar tho

[rare flame]

No for thane

[random shadow]

BB takes prio

[rare flame]

I want to play slayer but blizzard doesnt

[random shadow]

slayer is fine rn why not play it

[olive wraith]

Friend we’re talking slayer lmao

[rare flame]

Thane is still the key spec even after tuesday

[random shadow]

i mean arms is tech the key spec even after tuseday

[rare flame]

[random shadow]

but slayer is def playable

[olive wraith]

All depends what you’re going for

[random shadow]

idk i think the ramp change is nice for slayer in keys

[flat river]

i deal more damage than my friend who plays thane

[random shadow]

BT proc loss sucks for ST sure but its whatever

have your other 2 dps do boss damage

[flat river]

but maybe im jsut that good ig

[rare flame]

I mean do we have the numbers? I feel like the % slayer is better in ST is not enough to compensate for the % thane is better in AoE

[random shadow]

one does get tired of thane after so many thane keys

[olive wraith]

What key levels are you doing

[random shadow]

and having deal with bursto fp ower and TB procs

[rare flame]

Maybe he just sucks balls

[flat river]

you can suck my ba- sry mb

xd

[rare flame]

16

[olive wraith]

Slayer still works

[random shadow]

slayer is playable in 16s

its just you want the meta option of a spec

[rare flame]

Yeah i mean everything is playable

Define playable lel

[random shadow]

see number is bigger play hero spec that has bigger number

[olive wraith]

If you can time it

It works

[rare flame]

Yeah exactly (unfortunately) thane is “bigger number”

[random shadow]

i think slayer in aoe would feel a lot better next week, since i feel like its a bit not as smooth when you pop cds with all that rage

and you can jsut dump rage iwth rampage and it would probably feel more smoother then it is currently

[olive wraith]

Arms is bigger than thane

[random shadow]

play what you like, noxiv can perfectly time 20s on slayer

[olive wraith]

Demo is bigger that arms

[random shadow]

but realistically if you want the bigger number

go col arms

even slayer arms is bigger if im not mistaken

[rare flame]

Im the biggest proponent of “overall dps isnt everything dmg profiles are” but it isnt even like slayer brings funnel or prio its just slightly better st with way worse aoe 💀

[random shadow]

how much worse is the aoe tho?

im not sure its THAT much worse then thane

[olive wraith]

One spec will always be better or worse

[rare flame]

I dont have the numbers for after tuesday but rn its pretty gross

[olive wraith]

If it’s at least within the ballpark you can still play it if you prefer

[random shadow]

i dont think or feel like my slayer fury is much worse then thane rn in my 15's for aoe

[fiery edge]

i'm fed up with thane

[random shadow]

but i digress, i would just play col arms

atp

[olive wraith]

Then play arms

No one is stopping you

[rare flame]

Hero specs can be balanced better than the current 98-2% representation dissonance in keys

[random shadow]

my overall on thane and slayer is more or less close if not the same

[flat river]

same

[olive wraith]

Of course they can, representation doesn’t necessarily mean slayer is incapable

[fiery edge]

the thing is i also tried arms, then ended up going back to fury

[flat river]

i dont hate arms

gameplay is pretty good

but im very squishy

[random shadow]

i mean if youre not really pushing 20s i dont see why the numbers matter that much

if you enjoy slayer just play it, youll be better doing what you enjoy

[flat river]

what if im pushing 20s and i wanna play slayer

[random shadow]

you can still play slayer

there are 20 key pushers playing slayer

[olive wraith]

Like s3 tww. Thane could very well do pretty solid key levels. It was just easier as slayer

[flat river]

im playing it either way

[random shadow]

but the vast majorityo f playerrs isnt pushing 20s

like the other guy is pushing 16s as he stated

[rare flame]

It kind of does. You are talking about it at such a primitive level. Yes. Anything can clear 2 keys clear off the single best spec in the game, but there shouldnt be this much of a discrepancy

[flat river]

only time i don't play slayer is raid because i want my logs to look good

xD

[random shadow]

i mean

raid is another story

but we're talking about keys

[olive wraith]

And brew makes up 99% of high key tanks. Doesn’t mean you can’t do it with others

[random shadow]

tanks are itneresting

[olive wraith]

A lot of people will meta chase thinking that’s the only way to climb

[random shadow]

there are many brew masters this season good lord

[rare flame]

Brother holy reddit i understand you can do it with whatever 😭

Kalaith57 the bastion of blizzard defence

[olive wraith]

That’s why representation isn’t necessarily a good metric for this

Who said I’m defending Blizz lma

[random shadow]

i just hope next week slayer in aoe feels smoother with ramp changes is all i want

thane is getting meh for me, so id rather just col arms or somethign

[olive wraith]

Wasn’t I just agreeing slayer needed st buffs

What

[rare flame]

So what are you arguing with me about? Clearly completion is not the only thing that matters

“If it can complete its fine” is obviously an atrocious balance philosophy

[olive wraith]

I’m saying play slayer if you want to play slayer

It’s perfectly fine to play

You’re not forced into anything

[rare flame]

Cheers geeza

Personally thane performs way better in high keys

[olive wraith]

Yes I didn’t say thane doesn’t

Also suggest arms since that’s better than fury

If you’re worried about numbers

[rare flame]

Ehhh dont love how arms plays

Esp colossus is cringe

[olive wraith]

And it seems like you don’t like thane

So play slayer

[random shadow]

col changes next week seems good tho

5 sec demo cdr is sick

[rare flame]

I like it enough that with its better performance im inclined to play it over slayer

[olive wraith]

Then what’s the issue?

[rare flame]

That i wish thane wasnt better?

[random shadow]

if slayer was massively better then Thane like it is rn, would you be playing slayer and then saying what youre saying but reversed?

[rare flame]

No - because I prefer the way slayer plays, but yes because there shouldnt be a 90/10 discrepancy in hero talents

In any spec for any class

[olive wraith]

So s3 tww was also bad

[rare flame]

Yep

[olive wraith]

As is almost every season

[rare flame]

Nope

Do you think that every season - every specs hero talents are as divisive as thane and slayer (eg) are right now?

[random shadow]

maybe not every, but a good chunk of classes are

like frost mage rn, frostfire massively sucks compared to spell slinger

[rare flame]

I mained havoc s1 tww - if you wanted funnel you played aldrachi, if you wanted flat aoe you played fel, it wasnt 95-5

[random shadow]

arms col is massively better overall then slayer

tho theyre kinda comparable

[rare flame]

some classes have it worse dont get me wrong - p sure ret paladins never play herald, sub rogues never play deathstalker, ww never plays conduit

[olive wraith]

I think you’re overestimating the actual diff of slayer vs thane this season

[keen kindle]

Sub plays deathstalker

For raid

[compact knot]

arms consistently has been slayer on every boss in raid and colossus in every m+ dungeon every single tier afaik

since hero talents came out

[keen kindle]

Honestly still why I hate hero trees

[compact knot]

until this tier

[random shadow]

i just want invites to finish my 15s man

[rare flame]

for like one fight 😛

[keen kindle]

Not playing the right class for that

Unless u get lucky with physical conp

[random shadow]

oh im aware, even with physical comp

its soo cooked man

[keen kindle]

Yeah it sucks

Im glad im not tracking my declines this season

[rare flame]

what ur crazy thats the one thing im copium about, getting invites on warrior isnt bad at all

rogue is legit purgatory

[keen kindle]

What keys u doing

[rare flame]

16

[keen kindle]

Wtf

[random shadow]

idk even without tracking declines

just sitting there for like 10-30 minutes sucks

[keen kindle]

Bro i dont even have much trouble with invites

Like idk maybe its cuz im not giga high yet

[rare flame]

this is just a dps role thing

warrior buff is desirable

[random shadow]

i wish

[keen kindle]

But invites have been 20x easier this tier

[random shadow]

doesnt seem so currently

just trying ot finish my 15s

[keen kindle]

At least they feel like it

[random shadow]

then onto 16s next week

[rare flame]

i mean just choose which groups you apply to accordingly

obv dont apply to mage dh warlock comps

[random shadow]

its funny, the weird comps i get invited to but not the logical ones xD

[keen kindle]

Find a static group. Use community discords (no i won't plug them)

[rare flame]

lol i mean obviously, the universal answer to most problems in wow are get friends kek

[keen kindle]

Oh I knkw

And you probably wonna stab me for saying it

Well also not practicing what I preach

[rare flame]

why cant you react to msgs in this discord

warriors step your game up

[amber pendant]

am i simming wrongly, why does my sim tell me to take criti over mastery

[rare flame]

you might be at diminishing returns

[low folio]

so for fury, how will slayer compare to thane after the update?

[frank dawn]

if you're in high gear and have prio'd haste/mast the whole time crit can become good

[fiery edge]

probably

[amber pendant]

my mastery is only at 1.1k

[rare flame]

bro said only

also are you simming dungeon slice or patchwerk

crit is valued higher on ST

[amber pendant]

ah i see, im new to simming, let me check it out. Thanks for the tips bro

[amber pendant]

should i be simming dungeon slice or patchwerk?

[rare flame]

you can adjust it to fit the content that youre doing; if youre raiding you can do 1boss patchwerk or add/cleave or 2 boss depending on the fight - otherwise if youre doing M+ i generally base it off of dungeon slice results

[sly merlin]

afaik dungeon slice is bad

[keen kindle]

Are you simming for aoe

[amber pendant]

I’m doing mostly m+

[sly merlin]

pain and suffering from my ranks route

:(

no one saw the port back to start or it’s timed but still super close

we had like 1min after boss

[amber pendant]

ah i was using default.. so it was on 1 target.. thanks guys

[sly merlin]

do a sim for each and compare results

i usually do st 3 tar and 8tar

[deft palm]

anyone kill mythic chimaerus?

[sly merlin]

ye

[deft palm]

does silencing the fear add with wrecking throw make it so hes not able to cast?

or do i have to interrupt his cast with it

[keen kindle]

Silence is a form of int usually

[echo rapids]

Wrecking throw pretty good on that fight

[steep bough]

Im about 278 or 279, and my sim is still only like 91k. Is that about normal or possible talents are wrong? Im simming at mt

[echo rapids]

Welcome to fury

[fading sky]

Hahah

Try simmin as arms

But y the st of warrior is pretty atrocious atm

Breakin 100k is bis gear

[steep bough]

I dont really need to worry about it currently. I have some rotation issues to deal with first. One pull on m chim, i was like 115k the next 84k. I was just curious as this is the first tier since pandaria im main specing dps

[fading sky]

I mean dont look at chim

And deffo dont trust dmg meter

[steep bough]

Since i seen some friends dks, dhs, and mages over 110k-125?

Yeah, this is from logs lol

[fading sky]

Well ive never been above 90k m dno what strats u use, but melee arent allowes to cross and farm smallies

As we just ran over ppl

[steep bough]

Our dps is pretty low overall, so i was getting some pad since they lived to cross

Voracious kills slightly after his enrage loo

[fading sky]

Yeye same for us

But we do have a couple of pad monsters🤣

But simply put. We are not dk // dh // mage // hunter

These 4 are also ranged which helps a lot this tier🤭

[edgy widget]

there's always RNG from pull to pull, especially where AoE is involved
Warrior also isn't the burstiest class in AoE or ST - its biggest strength is the frequency of its cooldowns, which may or may not always prove advantageous depending on how encounters are designed or how fast they end

[steep bough]

Like i said, i dont think its a class issue, i know its a me issue

[fading sky]

It is a class issue

By a mile

Take when u get send downstairs

The smallies dies b4 my 3rd global

Coz dev has a loaded meteor

And i spend rest of time doin st on big dude

Had i had smallies 2 pad on way more dmg

[steep bough]

My grey parse on imperator says its a me issue lmao. But im struggling with the rotation priority. I was a tank for a long long time. And dps mindset seems very different

[fading sky]

So tbh to kill chimmy. Put all cds into boss

Well imperator u wanna try and send cds into the add on prog when ever it closely aligns

And if should be tanked dor boss cleave

If its not, hello grey parse

[random shadow]

wild question but does downgrading myth crests count towards hero cap

[fading sky]

No

[random shadow]

fr?

[fading sky]

U can destroy ya alts

To get the hc thingy for main

World first dudes did that if im not mistaken

[random shadow]

i would if my alt had full hero gear to use the downgraded crests

but like if i math correctly, my main is like short 20 crests from finishing hero in general next week

was like if i just take the 20 myth crest hit

could finish hero next week

[fading sky]

U could also pull a mythix item in that slot

So dont worry 2 much imho

[random shadow]

youre not wrong but i rather hope i dont lol, id like a heart or gaze in stead of a myth void gloves

[fading sky]

My alt is just like 267 holdin, hc crests. Its not like u need ze gear

[random shadow]

does crafted count towards the 6/6 slot whatever thingy

[fading sky]

Ofc?

But also spends mythic crests

[random shadow]

fair, then i just need gloves and trink to be fully done, getting a myth trink would actually fix it now i think about it

[edgy widget]

by far the biggest factors are timing and uptime

• always be on target
• fill every GCD possible
• know when movement/mechanics are going to happen ahead of time, so that you can prepare in advance
  if the boss is going to be pulled across the room, have Leap ready or start moving ahead before it does, so it won't be pulled out of your range

same thing for cooldowns; you should know when adds are going to spawn, when a boss is going to phase, or when a mechanic that may force you off target is going to come out - popping Reck right before you get targeted by a mechanic that forces you to run away is a lot of lost DPS

[fading sky]

Oh y @steep bough lorrgs.io

Is pretty good there

[edgy widget]

lorrgs is good for certain things, not so good for others - it can give you a good idea of what people do, but you don't really want to follow it blindly, since different situations and strategies don't always translate between Rank 1 and Rank 100

[random shadow]

youre telling me if i dont just follow what you do 1 for 1 i wont become good?!?! what blasphemy is this

[edgy widget]

I'd say it's a good starting point for a new boss, but you should really be thinking about these things while you're progressing and getting a feel for it naturally

[fading sky]

Usually though if u look through top 10-50 u can get a sense of cds usage

[edgy widget]

that'll help you internalize what's actually happening throughout a fight, rather than just trying to follow an arbitrary set of timers

[random shadow]

i hope tuseday maintenance isnt the full 8 hours

whats the odds it finishes 1-4 hours early

[indigo totem]

Somewhere between 0 and who the fuck knows

[edgy widget]

If you spend enough time and effort, sure it could, but I dare say the vast majority of players don't actually do that

[random shadow]

vast majority doesnt do the things that would improve their gamepaly and numbers on meters but they will surely complain about the numbers or deaths

my guildies unfort fall under this

[edgy widget]

and again, the point I'm emphasizing is that familiarity is what's important. Knowing what's going to happen in a fight before it happens and internalizing that information is good for both damage and survivability

in some ways it's even more important for survivability, given how preemptive Warrior defensives are

[random shadow]

do you know the % for slayer in AOE in .5 patch?

is the ramp change good number wise

seems good smooth gameplay wise from the looks of it

[edgy widget]

way to contribute to the discussion

[brave thorn]

Parsing in Voidspire is how much can you pad pretty much, besides a couple of bosses, and funny enough how much others pad in your raid as well. It’s a meme

[edgy widget]

it's pretty benign, you're already pressing both Rampage and Bloodthirst/bath regularly, so there's no fundamental difference and the peformative value is pretty much the same

combined with the Bladestorm buff, it's a moderate bump against higher numbers of targets, but not enough to compete with Thane unless you're also very good about playing Ruin

[random shadow]

ic

[fading sky]

Mainly others coz our burst is low🤣

[strange drift]

When in doubt press bloodthirst

[sudden tusk]

nah now you just spam rampage and hope to god you proc 5 reaps in a row otherwise lmao

[echo rapids]

Did some keys as colossus tonihjt and i think fury’s “just send them CDs when ready” gameplay has smoothed my brain.

Feels odd to play a spec again where you are super dependent on stacking a bunch of CDs

[fading sky]

i mean its legit JUST

Ravager 😄

with cs

[lean heart]

progging beloren rn this fight feels like giga dog shit

[sullen dove]

[echo rapids]

I get fingered ravager and my CS macro right at the end of the trash before the trio boss in seat and I almost alt F4ed

[tender seal]

The new upgrade currency for weapons and trinkets - does that change the upgrade path on the weapon you use it on, or could you upgrade a a weapon (say the one from paladins boss) and then later be able to upgrade the weapon from Midnight falls ? If its bound to the item you use it on only - that would suck lol

[supple tangle]

Is this correct? The patch notes specifically mentions prot and hasnt been changed/updated to indicate that it also includes Fury

[oblique thistle]

It will increase the item level of an item that is already fully upgraded, it will not change the upgrade track
Basically, it is not worth really using it on a hero track item, especially with the ability to gain additional myth track items from bonus roll in dungeons

[radiant plank]

yes

[worn yoke]

is there any clarity around this being improved in 12.0.5? The survey questions were relating to add damage but didnt sound like they were going to remove much... I'm hoping thats ontop of already removing nuisance / non important add damage on the patch.

[oblique thistle]

There is a parsing poll linked in #updates-midnight that i think is still open

[young swan]

do u think he would have put "I can confirm" if he couldnt actually confirm

[tiny seal]

is rampaging ruin a play for 12.0.5?

[young swan]

no lol

[worn yoke]

yeah what im saying is those questions didnt really make it sound like they were removing add damage. Do we know if they are making any additional changes outside of this survey

[tender seal]

@sudden tusk Thank you very much for your videos sir, i thoroughly enjoy watching them on my way to work 😃

[edgy widget]

Technically you can play it right now, but I don’t usually recommend it

If you have the right dungeon, tank, and pull cadence, it can perform very similar to Thane, but the overhead requirement just isn’t worth imo when thane is easier and still (marginally) stronger

[edgy widget]

They’re removing gimmicks, legit adds like Imperator and Dragons will stay

[worn yoke]

for fights like imperator will it just be damage tracked on the primary add, and not the shitters / extras though?

Salhadaar, will small orb damage be tracked or only big orb...

Wait and see if they make changes i guess

[left peak]

Yo broskis, is there a way to switch between stances with 1 button/macro

[edgy widget]

You can see the exact proposed changes in the poll

It’s not an open ended matter of “wait and see what will they do,” these are very specific questions

And again, they’re not getting rid of adds and nor should they; they’re only addressing gimmicks

[edgy widget]

Look at the faq

[smoky vale]

#showtooltip
/cast [stance:2]!Defensive Stance;[known:386164]!Battle Stance;[known:386196]!Berserker Stance

[fading sky]

yeah tbh Alt + f4 seems like a fair choice

[unreal onyx]

Am I giga trolling playing thane on paladins? I got fury down like 95% and arms maybe 70%

[undone flower]

I once had a spell on f4 and I did press alt+f4 by mistake

[random shadow]

Reaching that sounds like ass

What spell was it

[undone flower]

Druid forms

[random shadow]

Bruh

[tiny seal]

95% fury is as good as 70% arms on paladins sadly

arms is very good on that one

[random shadow]

Arms is so much better then fury on that boss and its not even funny

A bad arms parse is better then a good fury parse

[tiny seal]

exactly

[random shadow]

Myth vanguard highest arms is 219k. Fury is 160k

Very big difference now scale it down to reasonable numbers assuming you're a decent player and not cracked like the top folks

Noxiv third fury capped at 160k while Shirley second 206k lol

[unreal onyx]

Ok, working on arms skill it is then

I was trying it out in m+ but I got basically the same overall DPS as on fury, with lower boss dmg

But the keys were also only 10s

[hot shell]

The higher you go the more dmg, mass Execution does alot of work

[undone flower]

Fortunately it’s only 1 hero talent that needs more learning time, I recommend bc you do obliterate your fury dmg quite easily on paladin

Im not a good arms and I do 30k-40k more dps than my fury on paladin

[unreal onyx]

Yea I was trying it out on heroic pug yesterday and man, not even knowing everything and I was 3rd in damage (until tanks that didnt know what to do wiped 2/3rd of the group)

[undone flower]

Once you are in front of paladins you can do 1 pull as fury to see what is your actual dmg

[sly merlin]

timed 17 pit not a bad way to end the weekend

[undone flower]

GG

[smoky vale]

i lost 19 aa by 6s

[sly merlin]

🥳

[smoky vale]

horrible way to end the weekend

[undone flower]

You have basically the same rio as me

[sly merlin]

how off am i

[undone flower]

5 points off

[smoky vale]

happy why was i not allowed to win my key

[sullen dove]

dont die maybe

[undone flower]

Too low dps

Should have been red

[smoky vale]

i didnt die

might have been an augment rune diff

thoiugh

[undone flower]

You did the weird pull bird+elemental and the end mount skip ?

[smoky vale]

no

but we had 2 deaths in lust

[undone flower]

Someone made us do it in 17s lel

[smoky vale]

you dont even need it in 18s

swordish i got 0 loot today

its actually so fucked

[undone flower]

I guess he wanted to train himself, he was an aug

For the bird+ elemental thingy

[slim coral]

congrats bud!

[sly merlin]

thank u 57#4

[smoky vale]

whats 57?

[vague stump]

I timed AA 18 yesterday as thane big key for me got gapped by the ret but whatever pink class is busted

[sly merlin]

i dunno yet sadly

[radiant plank]

57€ from Kela

[vestal root]

6 7

[slim coral]

57 is the number of brain cells we share

[vestal root]

Sounds a lot

[vague stump]

can relate

[subtle lagoon]

almost did the same yesterday but found out after last boss with less than a minute left that we still had less than a percent missing

[vague stump]

we died twice too. I died 1st pull to shit on the floor and tank moving omega weird. the fucking ret done 195k overall

[sly merlin]

pink class too op

[vague stump]

and yet still no fury buffs not even a little RB buff

[left peak]

Is MT getting nerfed or staying the same?

[fiery hare]

Same

[jade cipher]

i wish we could get ER again

arms is tankier in m+ now

they have stance mastery aswell

or at least make warpaint 15%

sometimes when there is a mechanic that you need to step away from the target to do it, like dropping a puddle, there is good chacne you lose warpaint aswell, all you got is def stance if reflect is not up

[proven hornet]

you can always gave up on massacre if you need that extra defensive

[sullen dove]

just get er

yea

[jade cipher]

all those talents are good dps gain, if freshmeat wasnt the only way you could get spite, it would be nice to swap

[kind crystal]

I find it a bit infuriating that we can only compete by padding as much as possible which highly depends on strat and mates not competing with you which seems unrealistic while they still have much more main target dps. Do we know if warcraft logs will update the rankings regarding this ?

[rare forum]

Massacre is not that important.

[jade cipher]

makes execution'ers wrath uptime 100% 15% sooner

besides its 1.5 cd faster cd which makes the rotation seamless

[proven hornet]

it's copium talent, 0.3% on single target, if you need to go to defensive stance for like 3 sec it would be similar lose

[rare forum]

Not being dead make the rotation also seamless >D

[jade cipher]

or we just agree its a design flaw to need to drop dps talent to get your class wall ability, and petition for it to be fixed in the future, i dont think there is any other spec in the game with same issue

[rare forum]

it is, but what can you do 🤷‍♂️

[subtle lagoon]

Going into higher keys it's a little crazy to not get ER and drop massacre for it, not a huge deal

Sucks ass but that's blizzard for you

[undone flower]

I don’t find it a flaw when it’s that low dps talent you need to switch for 30% DR 1min30 cd

[fading bane]

There is no other spec in the game that has to make this decision afaik

[unreal onyx]

67

[proven hornet]

good for them

actually 🤓 prot pally has to gave up on wrath for sentinel

[undone flower]

Actually prot war gives up insert dmg talent for bsv

[celest delta]

Yo guys about new upcoming changes in patch 12.0.5 did u all upgrade wep for void forge?

[pearl oracle]

slayer fury kickin m+?

[rare flame]

Nope

Still thane

[fiery hare]

if by kicking you mean doing interrupts then yes

[rare flame]

[tiny seal]

only thing being kicked as slayer fury is you out of the key bud

slayer is ass in keys

[fiery hare]

get vote kicked from your own key *

[rare flame]

[jade cipher]

applying rend with whilrwind and proc reap on rampage will help slayer aoe a bit

St was good anyways

[rare flame]

Itll feel much better to play just to be behind thane again

[jade cipher]

colossus arms will dominate tommorow i think anyways

[rare flame]

Its already dominating fury

This is the carpal tunnel for mediocrity spec

[kind bolt]

Gotta remain faithful tour carpal tunnel source, even when arma stomps

[fiery hare]

by the time i line all cds for arms pack is dead lol

[tall quiver]

Any one else get pain in their fingers from playing fury?

[radiant plank]

fix your kb's

[orchid crag]

Wait... Thunder Thane getting nerfed or not?

Also gotta ask if this replaces Bloodthirst proccing Reap.. or this is added on

[fading bane]

It got reverted

[orchid crag]

Thank god...was insanely stupid to nerf that

[fading bane]

I wouldnt mind the buff if they compensated it elsewhere

Ramp clap ramp clap mass AoE is braindead

[orchid crag]

I agree with that.. but didn't see anything so was just a very dumb note form the dev's lol

With the changes for Slayer... will it be just better now for Fury in raids?

Felt like Thunder Thane was pretty much even with it

[fading bane]

Dont have numbers so i wouldnt know

Fury is just depressing in raid atm

You can only do «pad» dmg

And you cant even do that well since the AoE isnt bursty

[shut night]

Bladestorm is kinda bursty in AoE with fury slayer

[orchid crag]

Arms does it better though lol

[fading bane]

BS is bursty compared to the rest of the fury kit

But burst is still mediocre at best

[orchid crag]

Colossus buff feels like its gonna be the defacto spec for everything

[fading bane]

Im not touching fury until they do some big changes

[shut night]

The only thing that bothers me is low Single in fury

[fading bane]

Do not filter damage to bosses on wcl

Jumpscare warning

[shut night]

xdddd

[fiery hare]

we above healers atleast

[edgy oasis]

Mythic Paladins as fury. What a way to fuck a spec but think we are in a good place.

Our shield and boss damage is appalling. I get moaned at when hitting a 97parse because I'm naturally padding(cleaving/thunderclaping) on adds during applicable encounters. Yet having lowest boss damage or shield damage.

Dps Warrior needs help.

[fading bane]

Wrecking throw + Activate spec Arms

[rare flame]

97 parse for fury is like a 43 parse demo/devourer/MM lol

[mystic echo]

has anyone noted the optimal times to spell reflect on fallen king to reflect his bullshit

is it just right after every orb spawns?

[spice lodge]

is there a thing as too much mastery?

should i invest a bit more into crit?

[fiery hare]

do what robot tells u

[honest trail]

Here you go

Paladins parses, same player, different specs

[hybrid wharf]

You should sim it if you want to know

[terse ether]

any1 know where I can find the "no heroic leap "

text i've been seeing a lot

[tardy lark]

should be in a plethora of the QoL addons

[terse ether]

Can you elaborate further please?

[edgy oasis]

Cool. A parse. Now show damage to shield. Clearly arms better.

[buoyant geode]

Hello, do we know the amount of nerf and buff for ST and multi target for each spec / hero talent for the next week ?

[fiery edge]

Blizz knows

[unreal onyx]

@dense elbow ilvl check before vault tomorrow

[dense elbow]

276

I am rocking a LFR version of aln

[signal frost]

Is fury just kinda ass atm? I feel giga underpowered compared to other alts ive had at this ilvl and gear. Even sims kinda bad

[unreal onyx]

https://klipy.com/gifs/poor-39

[fair solstice]

im 280 and my 80% parse looks like 30% parse of devourer

so kinda ass

[signal frost]

Ok explains

No idea why tf i made this alt haha

[tardy lark]

warrior cool

but warrior kinda bad

[woven valley]

more than kind of lol worse than aug damage which is trash trash trash tier

(for boss damage)

[radiant plank]

??

?????

[signal frost]

Like i keep wondering if im doing something wrong

[radiant plank]

are you watching ur aug on the dps meter

[signal frost]

Its just trash

[radiant plank]

aug is like the highest dps spec in the game rn

[woven valley]

im talking about augs ACTUAL damage

not its boosted damage from the people it buffs

[bitter palm]

arms does 0 damage

if u dont count mortal strike and execute

ahh

[radiant plank]

ahh

[woven valley]

not the same but go off

[radiant plank]

arms aoe is bad if you dont count its cleave dmg

[tardy lark]

why would we not count the damage aug contributes

although i do hate how aug works

[radiant plank]

i swear to god aug hooks dont work on warriors

I do 160k overall in a key aug or not

and then when I log the key I am at 160k overall when no aug

and then with aug im like 145k overall

and this aug is at like 200000k overall

[fiery edge]

Reroll

[bitter palm]

same

aug is bugged with arms

has to be

[fiery edge]

And hope for a better future

[bitter palm]

when i played with aj he was doing infinite dmg and i was doing way less

[tardy lark]

i havent played enough warrior with aug to actually have a feel for that

[fading bane]

I mean i definetly gain benefit from aug

[fiery edge]

Time to accept the facts

[kind python]

With these slayer changes coming next week, do we lose the sudden death and bloodthirst proccing reap? Or is that rampage just added onto what we already have

[candid sorrel]

Lose bloodthirst proc only

[fringe vale]

Warrior this tier made me start smoking again

I blame blizzard

[red berry]

don’t u miss thunder blast doing damage

[woven valley]

i miss warrior doing damage kek

[spare steppe]

Warrior is fun

[chilly fractal]

I’m gonna say it

I fucking hate Algethar

My goal is to get the 1% mount without ever going back there

[somber eagle]

if we lose BT procs do we go back on raids to spaming RB?

[twilit harbor]

I assume voidcore drops will be a "sim yourself" decision rather than some minmax strategy? Chimaerus, Vorsarius, maybe NP for rings?

[random shadow]

Ez pz somehow just time every other key like 2 or 3 levels higher

[random shadow]

I mean. Just sim the iten you would get with the bonus rolls

Can sim both gaze and heart and whatever myrh item you one rn to determine what you should use it on tomorroe

[fickle vector]

I wonder this too

[indigo sigil]

With the patch release, can someone tell me how to optimize the Rampaging Ruin talent for the Slayer spec?

its very hard N

?

[somber eagle]

imo this is even bigger nerf to boss damage for fury xD, couse rb is doing shit damage

[random shadow]

I think we will still prio BT just cause it does more then RB

[vast token]

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gif-2665742826959095609

Rend my beloved

[random shadow]

Joke son you i dont have to

I just need to use WW

Ww in single target so I dont have to click rend ever again

[chilly fractal]

Well I timed it on 17 so ideally I don’t have to go much beyond it

2 then 10 then 17

[fickle vector]

Makes me wonder if exploring a spec revolving around raging blow is worth trying. 5 potential points on the right side of the fury tree, Hack and Slash, Blood Craze, Wrath and Fury, Critical Thinking, Surge of Adrenaline… maybe worth for single target fights?? But idk which of those 5 would be worth it if at all, and what we could potentially spec out of to get some of these..

[random shadow]

Its not. If it was it would be a choice rn or considered. Archi and them would've tested it. Probably did hence why we dont

[fickle vector]

Yeah lol true..

So fking lame

I typically always play thane. Don’t really enjoy slayer… is thane going to still be pretty good or way behind slayer?

[oblique thistle]

Thane is currently generally better than slayer on most situations

And will remain that way

[twilit harbor]

That makes the most sense, thanks for clarifying

[oblique thistle]

Pretty much every fight in the raid has some aoe element to it and thane single target is very close to slayer single target

[random shadow]

Im judt hoping slayer becomes more smoother tomorrow eith rampage reap procs

Using cds and just spamming ramp down instead of trying. To put BB/BT off cd should be smoother

[chilly fractal]

Sometimes all you can wish for… is to go back

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1413197405561819256/reaptech.gif

[oblique thistle]

It wont really change the core gameplay but the rend on ww change will make things a bit smoother

[coarse nest]

Nah bro we want to go back to s1 tww

That was owning

Imagine that in this raid

Infinite dragons damage

Infinite vorasius add damage

Infinite salad orb damage

Damn.. miss that

[random shadow]

i mean feeling wise, like not having to rend is just nice gameplay smoothness

using reck going into packs with full cds gives you a ton of rage, which you could just duump it all and its not the wrong choice too with the proc change

[indigo sigil]

play with Rampaging Ruin u think ?

[oblique thistle]

No

Never

Ruin is beans

[random shadow]

its tech better and close to thane if you have high target count and play it correctly

accoring to archi

but idk if im that good or my tanks will pull enough target count for it to be good

[oblique thistle]

You are better off ignoring it completely and focusing on priority damage

[random shadow]

prio damage? whay prio damage do we have lol

[spare steppe]

I’m excited to see the thane vs slayer ST comparison this week

[rare garnet]

Is the prio damage in the room with us right now?

[sick pagoda]

trying to cathc up on 12.0.5 changes for other specs... How in the hell can Devourer and Unholy get buffs... and fury gets nothing. Im sure there are others as well. Havent gotten to Demo yet but this just made me go.. wth big time

[spare steppe]

Didn’t devoured get nerfed?

[oblique thistle]

Literally none if you play ruin, but at least you are doing better single target when youre not playing it

[sick pagoda]

Not accoirding to what I am seeing (I dont play myself)

[random shadow]

probably close to same, Slayer did lose ST tho

[rare garnet]

They uncapped their amp it’s like a 20% single target buff and 50% AOE from what unconfirmed guild devos were telling me

[random shadow]

i just wish our WW stack buff was uncapped

would solve so much issues

[sick pagoda]

Beeing capped is our apex

[rustic cape]

My guild is doing a m+ challenge (spin to pick spec at random and get to 2500) and i got fury warrior. Any small things I need to know or everything kinda straightforward in the guides?

[random shadow]

not really

fury isnt hard spec

and 2500 is ez pz

[spare steppe]

Wild

Saw Uh did somehow get a buff

[sick pagoda]

yeh

[rare garnet]

WW uncapped. WW applied on OF. WW applied on Rampage. WW applied on Bladestorm. Multiple WW applications stack above 4.

[random shadow]

i would like the mnultiple WW stacks

would be sick imo

ww every 4 doesnt feel smooth imo

[rare forum]

WW triggers an OF

kekw

[spare steppe]

Wtb RB buffs

[fickle cedar]

i mean odyn's should give 4 stacks by default

[random shadow]

wtb buffs in general

[random shadow]

it used to

[oblique thistle]

Its criminal that OF does not give ww stacks

[fickle cedar]

well yeah, it makes even more sense now since the tier is odyn's centered

[spare steppe]

Trueee

[dry hawk]

Ww effect back on OF would be nice

Legion bloodbath fury

[tiny seal]

good times

[dry hawk]

BB and BT on the thane storm procs are great tho

[wicked imp]

Hey folks, do we have sims for the upcoming patch 12.0.5? Will Fury Thane still be a thing? or are we gonna swap to slayer? is both irrelevant, cause Arms is becoming way to big?

[shut parcel]

Hello, next patch is the killer of mountain thane for us ? Return to slayer ?

[vast token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1290739062868545681/1406076420228251719/tenor.gif

[fickle abyss]

?

[dry hawk]

Awe my 💯% healing parse is a 99 😭

[fickle abyss]

Nothing change for thane

Nerfs are reverted

[shut parcel]

are you sure ?

[sonic shoal]

Slayer is getting buffed though, do we have any idea which one will be better between the 2?

[fickle abyss]

Ye

[shut parcel]

ok cool pfoouu

[fickle abyss]

Check updates channel

[dry hawk]

Yeah, Archie said it

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-gauntlet-all-gems-all-stones-avengers-endgame-gif-20364033

[echo rapids]

Gotta upgrade that graphic, arcane might be the only spec worse than fury

[dim spindle]

Why did one of those RBs hit for only 4872. Weapon break mid-RB?

Or is it just for current era RB accuracy

[solar cloud]

What do you think about playing a Thane in raids? I'm finding it a bit tricky with the Slayer.

[dry hawk]

Thane is very viable in raid

[solar cloud]

Can I tackle all the raid bosses with this?

[rare forum]

Should def switch to arms for vanguards.

Otherwise, thane is fine

[spare steppe]

Going arms for vanguard made me sad

Went from mid to the top

And I don’t even play arms well 😭

[dry hawk]

I liked the slow hard hit of arms

[edgy oasis]

Underrated.

[vagrant garden]

do we have a chance to get buffed post-patch? I dont know how slayer would do in M+, I just wish it would outperform thane... or they both get a buff, I'm just not a fan of Arms gameplay 🥲

[chilly fractal]

We have a chance to be buffed every week

[pure aurora]

Boys, how we looking for raid and m+ after these nerfs

I really don’t wanna play arms lmao

[oblique thistle]

About the same as before
And I wouldn't call them nerfs

Especially since thane is literally unchanged

[olive wraith]

Then play slayer

[pure aurora]

Really ?? I though thane was getting hit kinda hard cause of these changes “Storm Surge causes Avatar to increase the damage of Thunder Clap by 10% (was 50%) and reduce its cooldown by 25% (was 50%).”

[summer quail]

reverted

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[pure aurora]

Thank you Jesus

And what about reap the storm changes for slayer

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

It’s all there friend

[pure aurora]

Thank you

Just saw

Reap changes still kinda sad but I’ll take thane not getting touched any day

[olive wraith]

Reap changes are good for gameplay imo

[pure aurora]

U think ?

[olive wraith]

Ramp reap makes sense to me

[pure aurora]

Doesn’t it just lower out st by like 5-7%

[olive wraith]

No

We still have sd reap

So less than that. But also bs buff so st nerf is pretty small

[pure aurora]

I thought they made it so it could only proc on 3+ targets

[olive wraith]

You didn’t read updates did you

[pure aurora]

Ahh i see what u mean

[rare garnet]

New phone background

[vagrant garden]

yep, same in keys

[unreal onyx]

key logs lol

[random shadow]

Key logs

[fickle vector]

Can you explain the BS buff here? I don’t see that in patch notes

Oh never mind I see

[random shadow]

Just a 20% dmg increase

[sleek owl]

What's the source on the revert? I'm still seeing the nerf listed on several articles

[random shadow]

Archi

[vast token]

#updates-midnight message

[modest condor]

the ptr

[sleek owl]

Thank talos

[olive wraith]

How long till someone new asks about thane nerfs

[frank dawn]

do people have to stop asking about the Thane nerfs for this to apply? Directions unclear.

[worn rain]

thane get nerf?

no way

[olive wraith]

What’ll come first. Stat breakpoint question or thane nerf question

[worn rain]

thane nerf is new meta

but meta shifts so

[olive wraith]

The question meta what a fun idea

[worn rain]

one step further

question tierlist

[dry hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/sandy-dragging-patrick-spongebob-meme-stan-twitter-gif-13540379491638491213

[olive wraith]

Well what would be S tier

Frequency of the question, or the quality of the question

[modest condor]

the easier it is the answer the question yourself the higher the tier

[dry hawk]

"is it Googleable"

[modest condor]

so for example thane nerf: literally just look at the updates channel

[olive wraith]

Sim yourself s tier

[modest condor]

stat question: a little bit harder because you need to either look at a guide or know about simming

[coarse nest]

In ai we trust

[olive wraith]

Oh I see good scaling silm

[modest condor]

scalies

[tardy lark]

hate those guys

[modest condor]

what's worse, scalies or furries?

[olive wraith]

Yes

[warm crag]

hello im going to dump my sim string and i expect you will sim my optimal gem, enchant, consumable setup and tell me what my next crafts should be for the next 3 weeks + including if and if i dont vault a weapon and potential high value peices

[worn rain]

that is request not question

C tier

[olive wraith]

I crafted wep but my offhand isn’t free upgrade. F tier

Probably same tier as the old always arms loot spec

[rain rivet]

relogg

[worn rain]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-gif-13746396505480870613

[rare garnet]

Both are gods creatures beautiful in their own way even if hard to see sometimes

[modest condor]

"hey guys im only doing 90k overall dps can someone tell me what im doing wrong?" shows picture of character panel

[olive wraith]

F tier

Actually

[ornate prism]

Folks, can we have a chance to play fury thane for Vanguards after 0.5 patch, instead of arms? Worried about that I never played arms so far..

[olive wraith]

Is there a lower tier for those questions that don’t provide context

Hmmmm

[olive wraith]

Is your guild cutting edge

[lilac osprey]

People always believe it's a gear issue rather than a skill issue

[modest condor]

i mean you can, you'll be doing a lot less damage but at this point it's not such a tight dps check that you have to play arms

[rare garnet]

You’ve met our grey parsing boomkin complaining it’s because he doesn’t have the double dragons trinket I see.

[ornate prism]

Yes, but it makes easier if I can add up some dps like 20k