fury

[junior oyster]

Don't question magic when it's gifted to you

[brittle folio]

😂

[sly merlin]

unholy dk exploding

wrong reply gg my life is over

[brittle folio]

lmao

https://tenor.com/view/hide-gif-5346857

[dim spindle]

So hey surely there's still time for a surprise hotfix/update to notes that give a massive boost to fury ST right?

Someone please hook me up with that good good hopium

I'm jonesing over here

[brittle folio]

supposedly...the nerf to thane is not happening....slayer may be come quite the ST spec again

[slim coral]

no

[dim spindle]

Nerf isn't happening but that's not a buff 🙁

Unless you're a true optimist

[severe pine]

Question: I was doing High Sage Viryx, and was targeted by the grabbing bird, so I ran to the wall near where you enter the room. Then once the bird came down and grabbed me, I appeared in the bird's grasp almost at the edge of the platform already. Is that some sort of bug?

[worn rain]

known bug

try not to hug the entrance wall

[severe pine]

🫡 Thanks.

[hollow owl]

Does anyone have good layouts for edit mode and a CDM profile for fury warrior? I'm trying to build a UI that is minimal on addons

For CDM, I'm looking for a profile that has the skills organized in priority order, with the buff tracking above for those that affect the priority decision

[dim spindle]

Speaking of the kidnapping birdman, is it possible to heroic leap back to safety if for whatever reason you get dropped?

I swear I got it to work the first time I did/failed that fight but a dwagon rescued me at the same time

Leap did not go on CD but it looked like I started to jump when I got snagged

[worn rain]

dunno about that

however if leap works then charge should do too

and charge will be more consistent

[dim spindle]

Also I'm either finally going crazy or every once in a while when I hit my avatar/reck macro the 2 free TB charges don't get applied. Everything else does

Anyone else experienced this?

[worn rain]

only visuals bugs sometimes for me - shows one charge

2 in reality

[dim spindle]

And enrage seemingly not being applied from rampage every now and then but that may just be visual, too

Using Blizz CDM

[worn rain]

non blizz cdm fixed those for me

[supple glen]

i feel like the blizz cdm tracks ww stacks slowly and it only fades when im about to press the next spell after

[dim spindle]

4th stack being used with rampage 100% has a delay until the end of the animation

[supple glen]

and if i didnt track it the whole time i skip an ability being spread :/

[dim spindle]

I'm used to it but it still gets me now and then

[worn rain]

better ww tracker fix this too

in the end

blizzard

fix

yo

shit

[supple glen]

better ww tracker

lmao

ok will check it out

[dim spindle]

Multi yen indi company

[supple glen]

this whole no addon thing is working out great

[dim spindle]

Yeah I should give that addon another whirl (haha get it) soon

[frank rover]

what is "berserk"

[dim spindle]

I tried it immediately after addons got broken and it wasn't doing it for me. Don't remember why

[worn rain]

this one

[supple glen]

type berserk in the little search bar at the bottom of your talent tree

[dim spindle]

Damn that was fast. I'm impressed

Crunky needs to be an orange name asap

[worn rain]

naah I'm lurking most of the times

[supple glen]

i should be orange bc i taught him how to fish smh my head

[dim spindle]

I couldn't even think of the word for those talents before you replied with that SS... still cant. Brain broke

capstones 2.0

[sullen dove]

warrior good for egg burn???

surely replicable on mythic

[craggy gulch]

What’s the feeling on the changes to Slayer? Looks like a decent buff

[sullen dove]

its minor upgrade in aoe

minor loss in st

the fact that theres any loss in st at all is pretty egregious and braindead but what can you do

maybe we'll get some attention by .7

[worn rain]

[rugged cedar]

i cant with their balancing

[red berry]

not without buffs

they're pretty equal now

making it so SD still procs reap on one target helps but

still down from where it was lol

[dapper goblet]

and we're asking for buffs?

[sudden tusk]

warrior players dont ask for buffs we just look at you like this

https://giphy.com/gifs/pig-fat-kenjikungifs-fSD3yT23GL0SPqEIqF

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-laptop-gif-20532336

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-stewie-brian-pig-oink-gif-4113839315883426180

[sullen dove]

how gromnak think he look

[sudden tusk]

was the before or after the 40 nuggets

[sullen dove]

40 doesn’t even sound like a lot

[drowsy citrus]

I have a question - fury dps is listed as an "easy" spec to play by like every source I have looked at. I've played several classes now (MM hunter, frost/fire mage, ret paladin, windwalker monk, unholy dk, feral and moonkin) - in my opinion fury is way harder than all of those. Am I just stupid and doing something wrong on fury that is overcomplicating things or is fury actually just mislabeled and it's generally more difficult than it gets branded as? I feel like I have way more to track and have to make more decisions about my dps and do it more frequently on fury than any other spec I have played

[modest condor]

every spec got dumbed down in midnight except for fury

so it used to be one of the easiest specs, then everything else got made easier

idk how difficult it is relatively tho

[sudden tusk]

arms is probably one of the more complicated melee specs in the game rn

UH dk is actually omega easy now too

[drowsy citrus]

I am just now learning arms for pvp, I can see it being really complicated in pve

[sudden tusk]

on paper both arms and fury are fairly simple. Colossus Single target is a unbirthed grotesque monster, but its moreso doing the rotation well, and reacting to procs while doing mechs

fury is simpler in that regard

[drowsy citrus]

I feel like I spend a lot more time on positioning as fury (and I can see you'd probably have to do the same on arms cuz of the overpower line dmg talent) too

due to rampage aoe

a lot more mental processing time*

[sudden tusk]

nah rampage aoe is in a direct circle around your character

[drowsy citrus]

what

[sudden tusk]

dont have to position for it at all really

[drowsy citrus]

I was told it's a cone behind the rampage target

[sudden tusk]

thats only for Rampaging Ruin (which is a god awful talent you should not pick)

its a circle around you the same range as whirlwind

[drowsy citrus]

. I am logging into my warrior to check something real quick ...

ok, apparently I don't use that talent and I have been making my life miserable for no reason

good to know

ok but now I am curious - why am I not using this talent?

it seems like a lot of damage

[sudden tusk]

when you have ww stacks it REPLACES your rampage with rampaging ruin

not oonly turning it into a frontal cone, but you lose all prio damage becuase it only does aoe

[drowsy citrus]

ohh

they could do a better job writing these talent descriptions

[sudden tusk]

its not a benefit you actually jsut lose ST damage using it

YUP

[drowsy citrus]

ok I see the word "instead" now, I guess I should read more carefully

man I have lost so much damage just from trying to reposition myself perfectly all the time

[compact knot]

i did like

250k on heroic as well

but idk whats going on 4 mythic

[drowsy citrus]

OK I have one other question if it's OK, I was looking at m+ logs and I noticed that the highest parse I'm seeing for fury warriors is way more thunderclap damage than I do, I'm under the impression you only spam TC during avatar - does it make sense to just press it outside of avatar if there are enough enemies?

[sullen dove]

no execute phase during pot/lust prolly not good

[compact knot]

the 2 logs dont do any dps and eroka is a good player

[sullen dove]

i did have a pbox there that i didnt have for any of yesterdays mythic

hoping that at least gets me like +40-50k to somewhat match eroka's first egg

my best egg last night was like 164k with some nice crits or something but avg like 140 xd

erokas was like 190 something but did use a pbox

fortunately got p fast after like 3 algethars maybe

[frozen scarab]

do u guys find urself getting aggro alot

swear im not charging in before tank stops moving

[sullen dove]

o theres an sfam tag for super thats kinda flame

yea i mean can get aggro as colo arms p easily if tank doesnt do dmg

[fleet haven]

i'm io2624 and 270ilvl. i cannot get a pug key for hte life of me. what am i doing wrong

[sullen dove]

burst rly high dps

[random shadow]

youre playing warrior

[drowsy citrus]

push ur own key

[sullen dove]

normal game

[compact knot]

l m a o

dude monk is so much fun

i love this spec

[worthy pebble]

legendary name

[compact knot]

thanks

this is ball damage on lei shen

so much fun

[worthy pebble]

you Kirkenyahu?

[compact knot]

ye

im the only monk

ichanged details name

cause addons still work on mop

like they use too in retail

[worthy pebble]

[kind bison]

insanely fire name holy fk

[worn rain]

instant sad

[graceful mural]

How can I get an addon to play a noise every time I push rampage under 100 rage

Need a wrong buzzer or like a fart or a honking horn or something

[sage ridge]

Is Chaplain Senn untankable?

[worn rain]

which addon?

[keen kindle]

By a dps?

Probally

maybe arms can do it fore 8 seconds with die

[sage ridge]

I was doing a run with some friends in a heroic pug and the tank was telling me it is untankable

Cause I had the boss hitting me and chasing me around the entire time

[edgy widget]

no, they're all tankable, she just likes to stop and cast for awhile

tanks should absolutely have threat on all three of them at all times

[sage ridge]

I thought so but this guy had so much conviction that it was making me think otherwise

I was tanking it for like 2 minutes

Longer I think

[wicked turret]

I've been having a hard time using the assisted Highlight tool. I feel like I am doing as much damage as I use to and I am having a hard time learning rotations. I relied on Hekili since BFA. If anyone can help me with me transitioning or suggestions I'd appreciate the input.

[urban sandal]

Hello my fellow fury gamers : D

Question regarding Rampage.

If you cast your next spell too quickly, will you miss out on the 3rd strike of rampage? I've noticed it looks like the animation doesn't go all the way if I cast bloodthirst too quickly

[modest condor]

no the damage always goes out

[urban sandal]

Ty ❤️

Just trying to figure out where I"m missing some dps.

[worn rain]

I don't think you will find any alternative for blizz stuff

only visual improvments

[wicked turret]

How much of a dps is it for using the assist highlight, I guess then

[olive wraith]

Don’t think anyone can tell you

It doesn’t follow the apl

[wicked turret]

dps loss*

[keen kindle]

I believe the only way you loose damage on rampage is if you walk out of range during the animation

But that was a while ago and I'm not sure if it ever got changed

[fickle stirrup]

[Mountain Thane]
Is there a cutoff point on the target count when we dont weave TC in between every GCD?
Also
Do we always use the 4 stacks of Meat Cleaver before applying it again in AoE?

[random shadow]

You weave tc in when you dont have stacks. You spam tc and rampage with avatar when theres mote then 6-7 targets

[fickle stirrup]

Ty!

[frozen scarab]

40 min AA just for no loot 😭✌️

[indigo arch]

If it's any condolence, puzzle is horrible to use

The game rescued you by mot giving

Not*

[drowsy citrus]

yeah i really hate that i have it

[random shadow]

Good thing crucible technically Sims higher then box

So i shall not use box

[frozen scarab]

le sigh

road to 3k has been hell.

[random shadow]

3k is ight

I need to finish my 15 snd 16s next week

[frozen scarab]

my guildies do runs at ungodly hours so i cant even do keys with them

[random shadow]

My guildied dont run anything higher then like a 13 or 14 excluding like 2 people

And ofc none of then are tank or healer

[frozen scarab]

idk i feel like my dps is good

dont die much either

yet still struggle 😭

[drowsy citrus]

whats ur avg overall dps

[frozen scarab]

err

how check

[random shadow]

I tend to play more defensive in my 15s due to worrying healer can't heal. I should stop. Ducking up my overal

[drowsy citrus]

idk u just look at the dmg meter at the end of a run on overall

[random shadow]

But dying is worse dps loss so shrug

[frozen scarab]

oh

[indigo arch]

"Normal" trinkets beat box in all scenarios that arent 10tar 40s anyway

Its a meme for mdi pulls

[random shadow]

Ima need to start using it on arms soon sadly

[indigo arch]

It is willing CBT to use it

[random shadow]

The thought of passing up like 20% free increased damage or a avatar is to rough

[worn rain]

big mistake

[drowsy citrus]

how come

[worn rain]

just today we killed hero paladins

damage meter show 150k

logs show 140k

[drowsy citrus]

oh yea

[worn rain]

sapienti sat

[drowsy citrus]

i mean logs are clearly better

but the dps meter gives u a decent idea generally anyway

why the dps meter doesnt just use the combat log when u leave combat idk

[worn rain]

current dps meter is like crystal ball

[drowsy citrus]

yeah it's wild

[worn rain]

sure you can see something

[drowsy citrus]

cuz blizzard could have just used private apis to make a reasonable dps meter

[worn rain]

is it correct?

eh

[sudden aurora]

Hello, It may have been asked before but can't find anything about it. What's the effectiveness of using the same weapon enchant on your 2 weapons?

Guides suggest using Arcane Mastery & Berserker's Rage.

Simming ST confirms this, but when simming Dungeon Slice or any sim using multiple targets it suggest using Berserker's Rage on both weapons. When it procs does the effect stack, does it refresh or add to the duration of the buff?

I can't seem to figure this out looking at the sim breakdown or ingame. Does anyone have a clear answer to this?

[modest condor]

2 enchants makes the buff twice as strong

[random shadow]

dungeon slice bad dont use it, enchants depends on what stats you currently have anyways, if you dont have lots of haste haste is normally better, but if you have enough hates it can rec mastery or crit even

[modest condor]

also yes dont use dungeon slice

[indigo arch]

Use what sim tells you

[random shadow]

just not dungeon slice

[indigo arch]

Patchwork sims are the name of the game

[sudden aurora]

Alright, so just follow the Patchwerk sims instead of the Dungeon slice since that doesn't give the right representation of the damage.

[indigo arch]

Yea slice only works on some

[sudden aurora]

That makes things a lot easier, thanks!

[indigo arch]

Same with dungeon route sims

[sudden aurora]

It did feel really weird, since i already had a ton of haste

[undone flower]

Do you have an aug

[wary umbra]

You guys think with 12.0.5 changes that fury warrior with slayer will be better than mountain thane?

[latent hedge]

nope

[fiery edge]

arms

[frozen scarab]

idk just met the most insane pumpers of my life in a random +11 and these guys dont even say gg at the end of the run they just insta leave

[compact knot]

aint got time for waiting

[frozen scarab]

😭

[spring pier]

Hello guys

I will post my log and if you can check and tell me if i did well my management in this key idk why i finish with low dps i stayed in enrage 84,42 % what i did wrong and what can i do better

Damage Done - Skyreach Level 16 (6:17 PM) - Report: Mythic+ Season 1 | Warcraft Logs https://share.google/5NHFggBlRjYVs9ncG

[frozen scarab]

what gives myth gear rn?

[compact knot]

myth raid + vault

next week, rerolls will be introduced to get 2 additonal myth items from w/e u want

[native island]

#1347646810457636974

[hasty rover]

Is there a list somewhere of the stat 'soft caps' I should aim for, is it even a thing these days. I have 45% mastery now

[compact knot]

these dont exist anymore

simming is the best option

[hasty rover]

Ok, thought as much, thanks!

[compact knot]

np, check out raidbots if you havent already, really good site for optimizing your character

[pure breach]

[hasty rover]

I'm kinda stuck trying to get into higher keys, every once in a while I get some 10-12 key, but that takes a lot of queueing. But I guess that's the same for all fury warriors.

[static mountain]

hello boys, is recrafting requires another spark ?

[native island]

Depends on your rating. I get into 12’s just fine. What’s your ilvl?

[compact knot]

recrafting does not require another spark

[hasty rover]

271, rating is 2060 or something

[native island]

Might be why. I’m 2810 and 275. But even then like 4/5 decline first

Were not meta so sadge

[static mountain]

tyty ❤️

[hasty rover]

A bunch of my dungeons are still at ~+5 or something so that affects it, I suppose

[compact knot]

yeah should fix that

get the ilvl up a bit

[hasty rover]

So, numbers go up...

[compact knot]

try to do 10's in those slots that are at +5

[native island]

There is a discord called NoPressure at least in EU. Idk if US has the same. But its very nice for doing keys without toxic people

[hasty rover]

Have to check that out

[pure breach]

Wdym? They have toxic people there

[native island]

Haven’t encountered any

[pure breach]

Already encountered many

[static mountain]

ye im using NoP all the time. i rarely come across any toxicity 🙂

[native island]

Just snitch on em. Unless you are one of em

[compact knot]

yeah surely in a discord like that you can just report them

[pure breach]

No I’m not but i got ban for defending my healer

We had a toxic dps back in DF season 2/3 can’t remember, he was blaming our healer for every single death he had, and it was not true

At least it wasn’t a healer issue

[native island]

Oh never believe a dps calling out deaths. Unless it’s very very obvious the healers fault, take it with a grain of salt

Dps are very dumdum, I know cause I am one

[pure breach]

But they gave him the flag and the reason even I show the mods the prints of the conversation

[native island]

I stand in shit too often for thatbkittle but if extra dmg

[hasty rover]

Previously I have run prot warrior a lot, but feel getting into tanking M+ is a bit daunting, altho there are a bunch of tools to help with that

[native island]

Prot warrior in nexus. Gl. I got smacked around and lost all interest

Too much magic damage

[hasty rover]

I feel it best to think that it's your fault for dying and carry on

[native island]

And always give your healer a pat on the head. Poor things are having blood pressure problems dealing with us

[hasty rover]

yeah, actually it's blizzards fault for making the bad circle so large you can't DPS while moving it out of the party/raid

anyway, I'm off to buy some lumber... have to check that No Pressure discord out later on.

[native island]

Cheers mate!

[fiery harbor]

lmao read the comments in this post https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1sop4f3/the_awkwardness_of_being_given_50_uncapped_myth/

[patent osprey]

Hello there! I'm currently leveling up my old Fury Warrior from Dragonflight and reading through the guide on wowhead confused me a bit as per the rotation. Atm i have set up my hotbar as above, but i feel like i am missing something. Can someone give me some pointers? :D

[pearl sequoia]

Wrecking throw

[patent osprey]

That didnt even appear on the guide, thank you

[pearl sequoia]

more for slayer st rotation

but ofc its a really nice range kick

[patent osprey]

oh my bad i should have specified

I thought for a general alrounder build i'd use a Thane M+ build

I apologize

[compact knot]

thats all the rotational buttons

you can put more utility shit though

like rally, shockwave, consumes healthstone

for easier binds

[dense elbow]

What you need:
Battle Cry
Rec+Ava button
Pummel
Charge
Leap
Rampage
Thunderclap
Bloodthirst
Execute
Raging Blow

Highly recommended
Spell reflect
Stance dance macro
Berserker Rage
Enraged Regen
Victory Rush
Storm Bolt
Shockwave

Optional
Rend (if Slayer)
Rally
Intimidating shout
Hamstring
Wrecking Throw
Heroic Throw (macroed to pummel)

Other optionals:
Health pot
Cookie
Dam pot
CR / Drums
Misc (extra action button and so on)

[olive mica]

hey all. i just finished some raids and m+ and i feel like im way down in terms of dps. like, a rogue with 20 ilvls down easily overtook me. what should i be able to dish out at ilvl 266? like whats an expected dps for that

[patent osprey]

oh thats a very handy list, thank you very much

[golden mural]

This may be a silly question but since there are no changes to Thane for the patch is that still the play for M+ or does Slayer seem like it might be the move due to their changes?

[dense elbow]

In 98% of cases, you are doing your rotation wrong. Check #dps-faq for it.

Once you double and trippel checked that, bring logs to #1347646810457636974

In your case, check rotation, then gear up to 280, then come back if your DPS is still lacking.

Very often it is just scuffed gear and rotationals

[patent osprey]

Out of curiosity, might i ask how you have set up your hotbar?

[dense elbow]

1-5, rtfgzxcv, f2 for markers. § is extra action

All binds got shift and alt binds

Mouse 1-5 ofc

Dont copy my build placement tho, it is one i use based on that is where i put it 3 decades ago

I put execute on 5, RB on shift 3, lots of things ppl call weird

[patent osprey]

dear god

:D

[dense elbow]

I dont have carpel tho, so I say that is cause my setup

Surely

[patent osprey]

Surely

I tried looking up for some...sample hotbars...man i have become boring

[dense elbow]

What matters is you pressing your rotationals, boring or nah, numbers is all that matters

[patent osprey]

Yeah, i just stared at it for a few minutes and had absolutely no idea how to arrange it lol

[olive mica]

Awesome thanks. I was going off the icy veins rotation but I'll double check again

[dense elbow]

Arguably Slayer is worse off, as it lost ST, the only thing it "should" have going for it

Warrior AoE is just so much better as arms, Thane is better than Slayer. Most are better than warrior.

So meh?

Either way, play what you enjoy the most

[patent osprey]

my balance druid was so simple. 2 dots, fury, starfire, arcane surge, and starfall

bam

[dense elbow]

Fury warrior:
The omni CD button (reck+ava+OF), Ramp, RB, BT, exe

Bam

Guess you should throw WW in there, in case of AoE

[patent osprey]

lemme go through my spellbook to identify the abbreviations quickly :D

[dense elbow]

Guess we kinda can get away with 6 binds

[fleet garden]

My spriest alt is so refreshing to play lol, big aoe damage for 1% of the work

[patent osprey]

im playing a lot of alts in midnight. I essentially only played balance druid since bfa, with my only detour being some experience on an ele shami for like 6 months

[dense elbow]

If you want less work for dam, play ret or DH

[patent osprey]

Nah, i just want something refreshing

And fury warrior is pretty cool

[patent osprey]

also this seems a bit short?

No thunderstrike, odins furry or crushing blow?

[dense elbow]

Read again, OF is there

CB is RB

[patent osprey]

my bad

Im blind

[dense elbow]

Dont worry, you fit perfectly in with the 99.9% here

Noone ever reads, all attack

[patent osprey]

i at least try to not be annoying

Btw just for funsies this is what wowhead recommends

[dense elbow]

It is a solid apl

bloodbath = Bloodthirst (same button), same with Crushing and Raging Blow

We dont have much going on button wise

[patent osprey]

Reorganized some stuff, i think this seems okay

[dense elbow]

Where is battle shout?

The warrior AP buff

[patent osprey]

on the right

[dense elbow]

No that is rally

[patent osprey]

no no i mean its outside the picture

I usually have my class buffs on the vertical hotbars on the right

[dense elbow]

Where is Berserker Rage

[patent osprey]

spellböök

forgot it exists

[dense elbow]

Get it on that bar, right now

Also shockwave and intimidating shout

[patent osprey]

intimidating shout?

[dense elbow]

Our fear

[patent osprey]

uhh

[dense elbow]

[patent osprey]

oooo

im not yet max level, havent gotten it skilled yet

[dense elbow]

Fair enough

Where is heroic throw

[dense elbow]

Poor throw, put into Narnia

[golden mural]

Doing 5 minute tests on a dummy and its about 6-7k below my sim consistently. Is that just because there is no execute phase on the dummy?

[burnt oxide]

Atleast he has it on his bars, most furys dont

[burnt oxide]

Did you sim with raidbuffs?

[dense elbow]

I dont, but I got it bound to another ability

[burnt oxide]

And sim is perfect, you are not

[golden mural]

Just consumes and warrior buff

[patent osprey]

Speak for yourself

[burnt oxide]

I do aswell

[patent osprey]

perfection is my middle name

[burnt oxide]

I expect at least 5% less

[dense elbow]

Sims also is an avg over 1000s of pulls

You testing will more often that not be under or over, based on RNG swing

So doooont worry about it

[golden mural]

Just want to make sure im playing correctly. On some really clean kills I am still parsing kinda poopy. I cant tell if its because I have less add padding or I am scuffing my rotation.

[undone flower]

And sim time swing 20%

[dense elbow]

If parses are blue, you are fine. Grey or green, you need to worry. Purple and orange is more based on team effort than anything

Pink is all of it coming together

is all of pink and just getting those crits

[golden mural]

That makes me feel a lot better

[patent osprey]

alright time to conquer the world

[dense elbow]

Gl mr owl

[patent osprey]

and then afterwards go transmog farming

The end goal of every player

[dense elbow]

suuuuuure

[burnt oxide]

And if grey parses on mythic firstkills, also kinda okayisch imo

[undone flower]

if you died, sure

[dense elbow]

True, first kill is usually a lot of greens, Greys and some higher in that log

[undone flower]

or if only 100 warrior killed it

[dense elbow]

is there ever more than a 100 when you do

Wdum

I am always top 100 by default

Fgm

[lean haven]

This is hilarious. I think, sims won't show me the proper bis gear, if we are talking about m+ for fury. Don't have the possibilities to post screenshot now, but longstoryshort, I've swapet one of set rings from xenas (haste/crit), to one, that give me little bit of haste and tons of mastery, and I can feel the damage goes up.

[dense elbow]

Please dont believe the "BiS list" is what is BiS for your gearing situation

It is even written in on the list, that it aint

[burnt oxide]

Bis is only bis if you have everything on that list on the highest version

[dense elbow]

It is simply the highest siming gear combo

Doesnt mean each slot is best for your char at the current time

[sour frigate]

Vibes > sims

[ancient spear]

running typical slayer fury but having trouble with low single target on the boss

is there a fury build with higher ST or is it just an arms swap

[limpid kelp]

Fury ST is pretty mid

[cerulean junco]

whats the best st build then?

[limpid kelp]

Would sim yourself tbh. Im running thane for keys, Pure ST slayer for me only sims about 3k higher

[astral ice]

What are u guys upgrading on reset

[limpid kelp]

Would also note even though slayer sims higher, I tend to do better with thane just because the rotation is better for me

[worn sierra]

anyone have a benchmark of how much damage i should be doing? Been doing mid-level keys and I feel i'm not doing enough damage.
(Yes I simmed myself. Anyone have a char i can take a look at on raidbots just to benchmark my self against?)

[loud trout]

What keys are you doing rn? This should be relevant

[worn sierra]

last one i did was +10MC but we failed the timer (that has more to do with the tank goofy pulling but I know I should have been doing more damage)

i'm at that point that i wanna swap to arms to give it a whirl see if it does any difference for me

[loud trout]

Unfortunately I don't log my dungeons. I do about the same keys as you (10-12) and I am pretty happy with my DPS in dungeons.

[narrow epoch]

do we know how the item upgrade boost thing is working, is it going to be like tww where crafted wep is lower ilvl than drop, or will drop and crafted both be scaled to same ilvl

[neat python]

Does the Arcanoweave embellishment double procc if I put it on bracers and cloak? Or do i take a Devouring Banding instead?

[tight roost]

I think it doubles but sims is probably best way to see what is optimal for you

[humble bramble]

does the 12.0.5 change anything for slayer in m+ or is thane still gonna be the jam ?

[sweet palm]

It will make Slayer worse

so yeah we will still playing thane

[somber elk]

idk about that

[faint quiver]

anyone know if double arcanoweave insight is the go to now? or still the darkmoon:hunt and 1 arcanoweave?

[wild flicker]

Guys, does somebody know of the top of their head, the tuning numbers how much ST & AoE we lose/gain when the Patch goes live ?

[red berry]

BT losing reap means you won’t proc that from bladestorm or any time you happen to press it, which is a loss. it was going to be a worse nerf before they decided what about SD

the 20% to bladestorm

idk how much it loses but it’s a net negative from where it was in ST

[fiery edge]

Back to dooming like tww

[somber elk]

But reap proccing from rampage aoe and bladestorm buff

[worthy stirrup]

guys what 3rd craf u did?

[warm gorge]

is there any detailed guide on how prio and rotation works for fury. im new to the spec and all i see differs from another.

[supple glen]

3rd craft is kind of based on your current gear and options i.e. do you raid mythic etc.

my neck was doggo so i went with that

[worthy stirrup]

it is possible to do sim with craft items?

i mean what craft should i do

[thorny basin]

its so late in the week you might as well wait for vault next week and craft whatever your weakest piece is

[supple glen]

yeah via droptimizer

[worthy stirrup]

@supple glen ty m8

[supple glen]

if the delve entry window for nullaeus shows "nullaeus spoils" i havent done it this week right? i lost track..

also why is valeera so useless there and immediately gets 4 of these adds as tank

[red berry]

yes but I spoke about ST there; it’s only three targets where it procs.

[remote veldt]

I just saw the conversation and realize i was not understanding the update, So BT will no longer proc REAP but it will be WW with Rampage instead with 3+ target ?

[burnt oxide]

Ye

[heavy ether]

Still no ST tuning either. Hilarious bantz blizz

[remote veldt]

Oh yes this is looking worse

They hate us because they ain't us

[sweet palm]

Addtion

[steep bough]

thanks

[fading sky]

St non existant but ramp potential funnel

[cedar shuttle]

thane nerf is reverted right?

[deft palm]

Quick question would a hero track puzzle box be better then a myth track kroluks banner for chimaerus

[proud oar]

Does anyone know how much dmg % increase shaman mastery buff is for both arms & fury

[undone flower]

I can sim but it’s bigger on arms ofc

[dry hawk]

Is slayer fury for M+ bad compared to Thane in any key level?

[bitter palm]

yes

[dry hawk]

Contemplating finally gunning for the +16's

[bitter palm]

if theres a lot mass aoe ye but it doesn't matter

unless ure doing 20s

and in that case you should n->arms anyway

[bitter palm]

slayer will do good

[dry hawk]

Haven't played arms but like 30-45m lol

[hardy shuttle]

This was posted yesterday somewhere. Obviously the shaman value can be inflated a bit since his gear is definitely bad with those numbers. But something to go off of

[tiny jewel]

How bad is the 12.0.5 hit on MTh compared to the Slayer buffs as far M+ goes?

[burnt oxide]

Mountain has not a single change

[tiny jewel]

Didn't they reduce the damage boost for Thunderblast from 50% to 10%?

[hardy shuttle]

The wowhead post was a typo

[hardy shuttle]

It got reverted

[tiny jewel]

Oh awesome

Felt like such a useless nerf just cuz Slayer was boring asf and most bost encounters were focused on multitarget

[jagged socket]

thinking of dropping massacre for enraged regen in higher keys m+ what are some thoughts here?

[radiant plank]

sure

[jagged socket]

mostly playing thane in high keys

[modest condor]

should have done that from the start

[jagged socket]

so execute is a bit of a meme

[jagged socket]

wasnt my turn with the braincell then

[coarse nest]

As thane yeah you don’t really need massacre whatsoever

[modest condor]

i mean i know that the standard build doesnt take ER

i just dont agree with it, imo you should always take it

[cursive pivot]

Where to find this link?

[summer quail]

it's not. execute good button for thane as well

[odd agate]

meh, didn't feel like i needed ER until like +17/+18

[supple glen]

er is nice bc not making your healer panic can help

[burnt oxide]

There is an update channel on this discord server

Massacre has next to no value in keys anyway

[cursive pivot]

Thank you

[inland sparrow]

yeah with Fury we dont have a lot going on so its fun to organize it cleanly

[rugged cedar]

we have very different ideas of fun

[still sparrow]

hi, how is reverted? its still in the current patch notes i think the revert only counts for pot warr Fury still gets the nerf

[inland sparrow]

would also be fun if we get buffs

[oblique thistle]

#updates-midnight listen to archi

He has confirmed the revert

[oblique thistle]

You're funny

[sudden tusk]

You live like this?

[inland sparrow]

is it that bad???? 😮

[sudden tusk]

Only because you've zoomed in so much

[inland sparrow]

ehh could be better

[dry hawk]

thats a massive target indicator

[still sparrow]

I really really hope so:)

[inland sparrow]

my brain farts makes me forget where my cursor is at.. so..

and found it a challenge when in the cluster fuk idk which one I'm targetting

[dry hawk]

so does mine

[inland sparrow]

[tacit harbor]

the official notes still states it as well

[analog matrix]

If its live we Switch to fury slayer I guess?

[still sparrow]

That scares me allot xD

[hardy shuttle]

Archi said that the notes were incorrect and he confirmed they are reverted

[fiery edge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/i-guess-so-bro-VBWpwRl0lCi1tSWibB

[inland sparrow]

keyed with a dh devourer in a 15 algethar

ive never been so sad with my dps

[fiery edge]

Slury aint coming back like that one season in tww

[tacit harbor]

I get that, but until the actual release the official notes is what we have with the PTR still having the nerf

[still sparrow]

But is confirmed by a blizzard source?

[modest condor]

the nerf was never on the ptr

[echo rapids]

Did some slayer arms keys and damn I miss the durability of thane

[tacit harbor]

that's where they were testing it no? Which is why the general census was to revert the changes lol?

[dry hawk]

I'll trust archi, because Blizzard is a bunch of crazies sometimes

[tacit harbor]

well actually let me clarify, the original nerfs came to Prot on the PTR with tc and the damage changes, which were reverted.

And the assumption is that because Thane is shared between fury that any changes are going to be both to Fury and Prot but it hasnt been actually confirmed yet from Blizz if this is the case

[modest condor]

im not blizzard idk what they're thinking ¯_(ツ)_/¯

i just know the nerf was never on the ptr

or at least if they were it was for a very short time and probably reverted by the next week

because we know that as far back as 2 weeks ago they were not on the ptr (maybe anymore)

[tacit harbor]

so what's worrying is that the changes were reverted to Prot and no lonmger on the .5 release notes but still there on Fury which archi is saying is a typo and might very well be but until they confirm its all to go on

[modest condor]

it's the same talent for prot and fury, they would have to recode the thing to make it seperate for the 2 specs, which i dont think is something they would do last second for a mid-season nerf

[patent osprey]

thats a good setup

[frozen scarab]

how does aggro work and how do i randomly get it in a middle of a pull

[still sparrow]

lets hope so^^

[modest condor]

it's just a value based on your damage and healing, if you get aggro mid pull that means your tank is slacking

aside from the start of a pull you should never pull aggro

[burnt oxide]

You have to have 130%? Threat to pull aggro

[frozen scarab]

idk im just sitting there and nextr thing u know 4 hp bars turn orange and start bashing my head in

[burnt oxide]

Lower in melee range(if that still exist, didnt check for a while)

[modest condor]

might also be a prot paladin accidentally pressing bop, or a nelf accidentally pressing meld

[frozen scarab]

it was a prot pally...

[burnt oxide]

I rip threat on several occasions when i punch to early

Mostly on active ww stacks during gathering

[heavy blaze]

I've tried to do a lot of looking, but is there a DR on mastery? Or a point where you go from mastery to haste?

[modest condor]

yes there is a DR on mastery (it's the same rating as where the DR for crit starts)
no there is no point where "you go from mastery to haste" because you sim your gear and equip what it says is the highest dps regardless of how much you have of each stat

[inland sparrow]

quick question guys

on both my weaps I have arcane mastery as enchantments, does that... stack? or should I change my other hand with a diff enchantment. I'm relatively new, so I'm not sure lol

[river nimbus]

sim it

[coarse nest]

They stack yes

[inland sparrow]

but they stack

okay got it

thanks

[sudden tusk]

They stack on proc yeah

[heavy dock]

Does the first wep imply we can hold two tons in 1 hand

[gusty sleet]

😂

[edgy umbra]

After checking out raid logs, I seem to be missing some optimum Rampage casts. I believe it's because my rage spikes quickly and Rampage will become available whilst key spamming another ability in my rotation.

My question: would it be a good idea/possible to macro a few of my other abilities to place Rampage in front of them, so if I'm spamming my next ability and Rampage becomes available, it will get used instead?

[weak grail]

looking at patch changes, as my understanding, slayer st will be worse than it is rn?

[olive wraith]

Correct

[olive wraith]

Bad idea

[weak grail]

fml

[olive wraith]

We usually press ramp to not cap on rage. Not necessarily when it’s available

(Or to enrage)

[supple glen]

still not strong enough to do decent dmg 😔

[olive wraith]

It won’t be a big nerf, but it’s still less than our already bad st

[edgy umbra]

I have been prioritising it whenever it’s available, is that not optimum?

[olive wraith]

No

[edgy umbra]

Care to elaborate?

[olive wraith]

Read up on the wowhead guide

[random shadow]

you just rampage to have enrage up and to not over cap when at 100

[olive wraith]

Like I said before. Ramp is more to prevent capping rage

[random shadow]

that simple

[supple glen]

there are better buttons if you enraged and not capping

[random shadow]

tho maybe its fine to press rampage at 80-90 if you dont have BT and its ST since RB is a wet noodle

[spare steppe]

anyone know if raidbots is going to look at a best reroll sim?

[random shadow]

it'll get updated as always

they normally always update when ilevel and stuff gets add, cause why wouldnt they

[cobalt jungle]

but wouldnt you lose out on the 3% str bonus?

if youre holding rampage

[olive wraith]

This is factored in. We have limited rage so if you used ramp as soon as it came available you’d have gaps in enrage/be rage starved

[cobalt jungle]

so what would the priority be? cuz i def dont have a rage starving issue

ST

[fading sky]

Ramp at + 100

Rage

[olive wraith]

Friend it’s on wowhead

[fading sky]

End of story

[cobalt jungle]

whats the point of having a class discord when all you guys say is wow head, wow head prioritizes rampage

[olive wraith]

No it doesn’t

We follow wowhead prio here

I’m not gonna sit here and type out the prio when you can go check it

If you have question about specifics we can talk about it, but that’s general baseline stuff

[radiant plank]

If you struggle to understand one of these steps, feel free to ask

[echo rapids]

You are asking a fundamental question that has already been answered, in detail, by top warrior theory crafters

Directing you to that explanation just makes more sense

[vital mesa]

How cooked is fury after this next patch?

[olive wraith]

Not anymore than current

[inland sparrow]

A bit of a segway, for stat prio wowehad says Haste>Mastery but I see some making Mastery prio

[olive wraith]

Sim is the way

Stat prio is a very general rec

Simming is always best

[inland sparrow]

Yeah in sim haste definitely shows me better numbers but, taking into consideration 2 other DPS deleting packs, trying to think if sim can be super accurate in terms of real scenarios

idk if that makes sense

[echo rapids]

Sim can only sim a generic scenario

Playing better will probably give you a bigger dps increase than any minor gear adjustments

[inland sparrow]

cant argue with that

I had haste > mastery and I was simming 196k in hectic cleave

but when I did master > haste went down drastically but I imagine it'll do better in short bursts

[sullen dove]

yea hectic add cleave isnt like... that great anyway

[inland sparrow]

yea

which is why i'm trying to learn when to rely on sims

but makes sense, if my playstyle could improve i'm sure it can work either way

[echo rapids]

Alright it’s time for puzzle box. Do yall just cast it as boss pulls and then go?

[inland sparrow]

HAHA

that damn thing

[sullen dove]

st should be good enough in like 95% of situations but if you rly do want to try to maximize some add phase then yea could more specifically target the conditions of those adds

[inland sparrow]

i see

your'e right I'll try simming ST

[supple glen]

you can set the sim to 30s cleave or whatever you want to know

[sullen dove]

like obv this doesnt even hold true now but if you wanted to for example sim the most dmg u could do to dragon balls youd do like highest target count shortest duration sim

[inland sparrow]

ooh didn't knowy you can change duration, thanks

[sullen dove]

but even 20s duration is like 3x longer than they stay alive

so not really realistic either way

not a great many uses for changing duration, maybe you could do like 20s 1target for beloren egg damage

[inland sparrow]

yeah the default is 5 mins damn

[sullen dove]

to play around with that

yea thats like expected avg length of a typical boss

just kinda the standard we been using for like several years

[supple glen]

for ghetto sims i used add cleave and 10 boss targets lel

[random shadow]

In raid or keys? But generally just pre pull it 2 seconds before

I dislike using it after thr first time tho. Doesnt feel great unless theres intermission or whatever

[echo rapids]

Yeah

[random shadow]

I just use crucible instead and call it a day

[ionic stratus]

How big is the mountain thane nerf in 12.0.5?

[supple glen]

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-mountains-penguin-mountain-penguin-mountain-gif-17645682934259148439

[spiral orbit]

Anyone know if I can hold my tokens currently this week and spend on the extra bonus roll next week?

Or can I only buy the roll with newly acquired tokens.

[sullen dove]

there is 0 mountain thane nerf happening

its bought with tokens

if u bought socket already no

[spiral orbit]

Yeah I mean tokens. I haven’t spent yet.

[sullen dove]

might work

not sure if they'll be like separated or not

[spare steppe]

You’re capped at 2 per week I thought

[sullen dove]

shouldve thought of that

tokens let u get a 3rd beyond cap

[spare steppe]

Intriguing

[sullen dove]

but maybe if u holding onto a weeks worth of tokens could be extra piece

kinda 5head

may be the test guinea pig

[spiral orbit]

I’ll test
I have an alt with a garbage vault

[shy bronze]

if you saved a bunch of pity tokens, you can buy a bunch of bomus rolls week 1

[spare steppe]

I think I’ll probably spend all my tokens at chimareus

[spiral orbit]

No one knew you could save till they announced on like Wednesday the change.

[spare steppe]

3/4 would be upgrades

[shy bronze]

well duh xD

[sullen dove]

you could have up to like 12 saved rn from 2 weeks of vaults

[inland sparrow]

interesting

[sullen dove]

and then 6 more next week

possibly have 5 bonus rolls week 1

man that woulda been kinda op

too bad only had good vaults to pick

even if i didnt just picked socket xd

[random shadow]

Its 50 50 chance as prot loot spec

[shy bronze]

Good vaults > bonus rolls

[random shadow]

And each roll is 2 so you'll get it by week 2

[sullen dove]

prot has 3 items on chim

[random shadow]

Since you know we can just prot loot spec

[random shadow]

2

Cruio doesnt count

[spiral orbit]

Chimeras has boots tier and the gaze

[random shadow]

For bonus rolls

[sullen dove]

you cant roll the curio? da heck

[spiral orbit]

Even as prot right

[sullen dove]

kinda weird

but ig good then

[random shadow]

Look st the picture

[spiral orbit]

Oh no curio ?

[random shadow]

Crown doesn't have the curio

[sullen dove]

crown doesnt have any curios..

[random shadow]

Crown has a curio in table but picture doesnt

[sullen dove]

it does not..

lura has an omnitoken

but crown has no tier

[random shadow]

Hm

Crown has omni token no?

[sullen dove]

na

[spiral orbit]

So as prot it’s either the gaze or boots

[random shadow]

Ah then im tripping but still

Prot has 3 which is better then 4

[sullen dove]

yea

[random shadow]

But I dont think they'll let us roll curio

[sullen dove]

u dont get the horrendous dogshit trinket

as prot

[random shadow]

I strongly believe

[sullen dove]

i mean idk its still loot of the boss ppl might want

[random shadow]

Not coping or anything

[sullen dove]

sure less relevant than other drops most likely

since u can cata anything

but like if u wanted a mythic helmet trying to get a 3/6 one for free off paladin prolly not bad

either way yea i only need 1 tierslot of shoulders

[spare steppe]

Is that other trinket not counted as prot?

[sullen dove]

hoping just get lucky vault

[random shadow]

No

[sullen dove]

no the terrible trink is not for prot fortunately

[random shadow]

I dont care for helmet theres m+

For that shit lol

I just want the trinkets

[supple glen]

look at the desciption, theyre not up all the time. you can/ should add some boss targets. numbers will be a bit off but its something

[spare steppe]

Looks like 3/3 upgrades for chimeras, sweet

[random shadow]

Get mythic gaze and heart

Then use rolls on keys

Ez pz

[random shadow]

Im gonna hold out and hope curios doesnt count

[spare steppe]

I gotta assume it will

[random shadow]

Would be a L from blizz

[supple glen]

at least you can somewhat sim big m+ pulls

[spare steppe]

Feels like it would be a crapshoot for dungeons

[lilac osprey]

you can only get each drop once from the bonus rolls so with enough you will get what you're looking for

[random shadow]

I mean ye but it is what it is. Ideally you wanna rng gaze and heart first try then full send keys

[cobalt jungle]

for thane whats the reasoning to wait till you have two stacks of thunder blast?

[radiant plank]

Because it doesnt do enough damage to be worth using the moment you get it but it does deal enough damage to a point where wasting a stack is bad

Also read the list as a priorty, not rotation

[cobalt jungle]

I am i was just curios why it specified 2 stacks

[radiant plank]

👍

hope my answer helped

[cobalt jungle]

any good addons to help track enrage and rage levels?

[radiant plank]

alot, maybe senseis personal resource, better cdm?

[slate light]

boys, will it be worth starting to use bonus rolls on seat to gurantee the myth hands in due time?

Already have myth gaze and heart

[young swan]

looking at 5 weeks maximum of spending bonus rolls on seat if you get very unlucky

[vast gorge]

that weapon from pit looks good too, my guild isnt doing mythic vanguard yet

[wide pawn]

what is stat order for fury mythic gearing

[slate light]

yes, but i was thinking since there so many slots, i would also fill out my head,chest and belt with myth items

[young swan]

yeah it might be the most valuable? but only if you arent touching mythic raid at all (or in any reasonable time frame)

[vast gorge]

seat has way too much gear that is useless. i'll be saving my rolls for awhile and try to get gloves from vault

[sullen dove]

@bitter palm need the words of god if guild can be convinced to bring a bird onto beloren egg for funnel is colossus better than slayer for egg next week

like demo cdr sounds attractive asf but I kinda feel like demo doesn’t really even do that much dmg on st

or is the 10% dmg buff too good maybe

makes up for it

[radiant plank]

not even god

[undone flower]

Isn’t 3t the real arms funnel ?

[modest condor]

1 bird isnt enough you need 2

[sullen dove]

I mean I’m not fob cleaving I think

That’s like more unethical probably?

[radiant plank]

its more dam

[sullen dove]

tho maybe with 2 cdr sources if u can get 3 demos per egg would be cool i doubt we’re letting 2 adds thru tho

But just the swept ms’s like halving cdr on demo I would think is big enough

cuz moving from st talents with execute and stuff into fob and cleave I can’t imagine that crazy

+might not hit all 3 mobs the whole time even if we were to get 2 adds in which I don’t think is likely

[spare steppe]

I feel like once you once you get myth trinkets it’s a fill in the gaps, way too much junk in seat unfortunately

[scarlet swift]

So do we have real patch notes yet or still all speculation and poor communication on crossouts?

[spiral orbit]

Do we have anything to break chains from the subjugators in seat ?

[spare steppe]

Yeah, you can talent into snare break

It’s the fear break ability, always forget the name

[random shadow]

Its pretty much prio gaze and heart then just m+ the slots you need left

[spiral orbit]

Ty

[random shadow]

Some loot from raid might be worth depending if you do them like the ring. Espiclaly midnight falls b I t eh

[spare steppe]

And someday the neck from cosmos

It’s gonna be a minute before my guilds comes anywhere close to mythic cosmos 😭

[astral path]

Where’s the best spot to look for a mythic raiding guild

I’ve check raiderio and Warcraft logs but I swear there isn’t that many

[vast gorge]

Fearless talent + Beserker Rage

[fading sky]

Eu // na?

https://discord.com/channels/551426383411281933/1476216580688842892 eu

[astral path]

Na

[fading sky]

Look for same kind of discord chan for na

[spare steppe]

NA recruitment community discord is pretty good

We’ve used it for our recruits

They verify guilds/individuals with pretty strict requirements

[sullen falcon]

is the warrior getting buffed guys ?

[tired bane]

nope

😢

[hushed walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/imgur-gif-jk-simmons-j-jonah-jameson-gif-27231532

[sullen falcon]

hahahahhaha

[fringe vale]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-lol-minion-spit-funny-minion-gif-17403968

[sullen falcon]

cmon guysss,it was a prank hahahah

guess we are rerolling for arms now..

[spare steppe]

Fun meter still sky high

[tepid beacon]

yo dudes, I'm improving my gear as some of it was terrible and got advice on how to make it better, focusing on mastery + haste

right now my stats:

Crit strike 666
Haste 843
Mastery 709

my uptime is still kinda lacking and finding times where I am waiting to hit a button on cooldown, guessing I have to massively level up my haste to counter this

[dry hawk]

Warrior and buffed in the same sentence? What is this legion?

[olive wraith]

Ignore stat breakpoints

Sim knows best

[spare steppe]

Trust in the sim

General rule of thumb you like mastery and haste but crit is still good

Vers is usually gross though but really sims are the best

[compact knot]

vers becomes pretty good when you have a lot of other stats

its not great rn though

typically it becomes better the longer a expansion goes on

[spare steppe]

True, diminishing returns helps that out

[tepid beacon]

ty yea I will sim, I saw a lot of the time I am having to use raging blow as filler and it's pretty bad, just trying to figure out why if it's an issue with my rotation, etc.

[echo rapids]

Not having a button to hit is a rotation issue

Usually from rampaging on cooldown I think

[tepid beacon]

that's it yea

[edgy widget]

you always have a button to hit, since Whirlwind has no CD

[olive wraith]

You’ll have to hit rb at some point

[edgy widget]

but yes, the reason you'll often hear "delay Rampage to 100+" is so that you can keep BT on CD and affect a more cyclic rotation, instead of just Ramp - Ramp - Ramp - BT - nothing
that also doesn't mean you only Ramp at 100+, just that you will sometimes delay it in order to use other important abilities

[echo rapids]

You will periodically get to the bottom of the ST rotation as thane (thunder clap) but theres something coming back up, and hitting WW for a global is an option too

[spare steppe]

Someday I’ll get used to hitting rend for st

At least thats gone in aoe

[tepid beacon]

isn't it better to just use thunder clap considering it applies rend to all targets like WW

[echo rapids]

It feels like warrior is getting its midnight prune during midnight 😂

[olive wraith]

Slayer?

Slayer doesn’t take tc

[brittle glacier]

ok just tested arms in raid, it was just HC but i can confirm that it does way more boss dmg than fury. Fck the pad

[tepid beacon]

good to know ty

[spare steppe]

Now we do arms

Cause rend is a silly ability

[brittle glacier]

its not silly, but it should do way more or amp ur dmg like deep wounds did (even few %(2-4) would be nice)

[echo rapids]

Rend just doesn’t have a home after they gave up on arms bleeds

[brittle glacier]

fair, fury applies more bleeds than arms 😄

if you count odins fury

[olive wraith]

It’s silly because it’s just damage. In the prune era they just gave fury a button for no reason

[spare steppe]

It doesn’t interact meaningfully with any part of warrior

Like it’s just raw damage

[olive wraith]

Fury has 5 bleeds

[brittle glacier]

right i forgot bloodthirst since you dont really need to think about applying it 😄

[brittle glacier]

yep

[olive wraith]

You don’t think about any of the bleeds

Except rend in st

And that’s a minor loss if you ignore

The point is it’s just bad design

[tepid beacon]

sorry for the n00b q, one guide says for part of the rotation, "Thunderblast at 2 stacks" does that mean use it twice in a row? I heard overusing thunder blast loses you dps, thought you were supposed to spread them out so you get the WW stacks then reapply when they die off

[echo rapids]

Rend is the kind of ability they pruned from a lot of specs in midnight

[echo rapids]

Use a thunderblast to get off 2 stacks

[olive wraith]

If you have 2 stacks, you use 1

[echo rapids]

Then resume

[spare steppe]

Nah it stacks. If you have 2 stacks you want to use 1 of them so that if you get another charge, it doesn’t get munched

[olive wraith]

So you don’t “waste”

[tepid beacon]

ohhhh ok cool, ty

[spare steppe]

I do ignore unless i truly have nothing

[echo rapids]

Warrior has so much underutilized design possibilities, looking at TWW fury and having their big change for slayer be “you can cast rend now” feels wildly underwhelming

[spare steppe]

Wtb unnerfed piercing howl

[olive wraith]

Meh

[spare steppe]

That was so nice for those 2 weeks

[modest condor]

bring back bfa piercing howl

[tepid beacon]

I kinda thought it was the perfect class for a BL, lore wise..... being an avatar of war and all that

[olive wraith]

BL enters the chat again

[modest condor]

if hunter and mage can have lust then you can make an argument for every class to have lust

it's not happening

[olive wraith]

^

Pally priest can easily get a divine inspiration thing

[spare steppe]

I mean we should have a Brez where we just yell them into consciousness

[modest condor]

monk can get some groupwide zen thing or something idk

[spare steppe]

I just want to shout more damnit

[modest condor]

you could probably make a case for rogue to have lust if you think hard enough

[olive wraith]

Druid can get ellune blessing

[inland flame]

If we could go back or just press reset it would be kind of nice to have lust be role-based so you never have to worry about picking one up. Like all healers have it or sumn.

[olive wraith]

Rogue can probably say be like alchemy/poison thing

Kinda hurts diversity though

[spare steppe]

They give everyone a stim boost

[echo rapids]

Honestly every spec should probably have either combat Rez or lust

[spare steppe]

Something out of StarCraft

[echo rapids]

Just eliminate that as an m+ issue

[spare steppe]

Give all tank specs lust and all healers brez

[echo rapids]

Then you wipe it healer dies

[spare steppe]

My boring standardization argument

Hmm fair

[echo rapids]

Tanks like guardian and blood that can pop a cd and Rez the healer are nice

[modest condor]

ok how about this

lust and bres are not personal skills but just a groupwide thing that everybody has access to

[spare steppe]

Yeah 2 of them having breezes is depressing

[modest condor]

doesnt ff14 have something like that

[spare steppe]

That would actually be nice

[echo rapids]

You could certainly do that

[modest condor]

3, paladin does too

[inland flame]

Could have other things that are similar but a little worse than brez, like a weyrnstone you can use from anywhere in the dungeon or something idk

[spare steppe]

I always forget about paladins

[inland flame]

And you can only use it next to a checkpoint or the door

[spare steppe]

I wish we had remix buffs too tbh

[inland flame]

Could be abuseable ig idk

[echo rapids]

I mean if they are going to add like highlights on mobs for routes

Why not

[spare steppe]

I do wish they’d let us do pathing

[echo rapids]

Diversity in the gutter, guildie doing his 18s in a 2x demo Aug group

[spare steppe]

Like if we can get a baseline mdt that would be great

[spare steppe]

Also 90% of tanks being brm or something wild

[olive wraith]

Delete lust

[echo rapids]

But we are firmly on one side of the Aug pendulum

[inland flame]

Its a hard problem to solve to have things that you always want to have way more than others but also want to promote having the things that don't have those things

idk I give up I'm going back to Runescape

[buoyant geode]

The nerf for thane next week is reverted ? I read in patch there is a nerf but on discord the opposite ?

[inland flame]

The TC damage and cd nerf during Ava was reverted.

[buoyant geode]

Oh ty

[vast gorge]

im hoping that since fury is such shit that when they do eventually buff us, it will swing wildly in the opposite direction.

[compact knot]

i like a good arms season every once in a while

relaxes the fingers

[vast gorge]

i just dont find arms fun

[still swift]

chat is fury very bad

[modest condor]

yes, also go back to idle hero td

[random shadow]

You right. I'll go bsck to my bloons tower defense 6

[modest condor]

bloons td 6 is also great

[random shadow]

better then this shit game called wow where we're never buffed

[fading sky]

tbf

we are mediocre

in m+

and semi ok on first bosses

which means

warrior is fine according to blizzard

[soft mortar]

I tried arms but it just is so slow related to Fury, I managed to last 3 mob packs.

[fading sky]

ye it deffo is a different playstyle

[tepid beacon]

I'm assuming most people want to talent rampaging ruin in M+, if rampage is hitting all targets.... doesn't it hit targets in proximity anyway, if you're applying WW with thunderclap/blast

[fading sky]

?

sadly the math dont math

its shit

gone

[cursive quiver]

rampaging ruin just has to be killed offand removed from its existence

[edgy widget]

that's not really how it works

[fading sky]

y

sadly

or just buffed to be mandatory

in m+

[edgy widget]

Ruin actually is pretty easy to play around as Slayer, fwiw

[fading sky]

sadly there is really no middleground imho

[south lintel]

Just roll dk go brrrr

[soft mortar]

Did that on WW, never again shall I steep so low

[jade fjord]

light's potential or recklessness for keys?

[south lintel]

Sim it

[drowsy heron]

dont you hate that talent?

[edgy widget]

I do, but that doesn't mean you can't use it

[drowsy heron]

also, does the WW cancel aura still work?

[edgy widget]

it does, though it really shouldn't

[drowsy heron]

yea it shouldnt lol

[edgy widget]

dropping Massacre or 1pt Cruelty for Ruin is upwards +10% at higher target counts though, so its definitely viable if you want to deal with it
of course, that's predicated on having a higher number of targets, which isn't always going to happen, so it's something you need to think about and take on a case-by-case basis

[drowsy heron]

i usually drop 1 point of Cruelty for it

god i'm so excited for Tuesday, gonna play slayer again in keys

[edgy widget]

If you can play Ruin effectively in a high-pull dungeon, it can actually get pretty close to Thane

you just gotta really know the layout and not get stuck on <6 target pulls

[spice lodge]

Hi 🙂 im kinda of a noob when it comes to warrior. Will MT still be the better spec for m+ coming next reset?

[edgy widget]

yes, thane isn't changing at all

[slender perch]

isn't the gap between the two closing a bit, with the buffs to slayer fury for mplus

[edgy widget]

Yeah it is, and that's what I was referring to earlier - Slayer actually becomes very close if you can play Ruin effectively

But Thane is still more consistent overall, which gives it much more of a practical edge - you don't need to worry about target counts, managing ruin, or whether or not your Reap/SDs proc at the right time

[drowsy heron]

the BS buffs tho

[olive wraith]

I think you still end up losing reaps

Although, players that previously ignored rend will get more damage

[worn rain]

managing ruin

sounds horrible

[olive wraith]

If you play/played arms might not be too bad

[sly merlin]

eyes of the eagle simming best for anyone else on fury?

[prime summit]

for slayer its saying eyes of the eagle is best

[pure breach]

MT here and using eyes of the eagle

[edgy widget]

yeah eyes starts getting better as your gear increases

[keen kindle]

Lights potential because reck is cringe with stat optimization

[compact knot]

reck also just like doesnt even sim better anyways

it was better at lower ilvls because we wasted less in diminishing returns

it might be ok if you can guranteed get it to proc mastery, but with you losing vers im not so sure

[night marlin]

Do you actually go negative in vers even if it doesnt show it on your stat screen?

[neat frost]

is fury slayer in m+ back once 12.0.5 hits?

[compact knot]

no but you lose some

unless you have 0

[night marlin]

I was asking because I have none to lose

[compact knot]

if you have 0 you lose none and reck pot might be aight for u

[modest condor]

the more important question is whether haste is your highest stat or not

because if it is you dont want to use reck pot

[night marlin]

I thought it was mastery we wanted, or am I wrong?

[olive wraith]

Hasn’t left

[neat frost]

wasnt mountain lightyears ahead?

[olive wraith]

Thane is still ahead sure

But you can slayer if you want

[neat frost]

i just like my reap the storm procs and they just killed slayer arms

[olive wraith]

Isn’t arms slayer good rn?

[neat frost]

it is until wednesday

reap the storm gets a heavy nerf (no longer procs from sudden death + nerfed % on cleave + 1 less cleave charge after demolish)

[compact knot]

they did not kill slayer arms lmao

this got reverted

[olive wraith]

[neat frost]

it's not documented anywhere then? i read the 12.0.5 patchnotes yesterday and they still include those changes

[compact knot]

its the latest message in #updates-midnight

[wind token]

it does proc on sudden death

[compact knot]

and if you skip the WCL thing its the message above the WCL stuff

it CHANGES how reap the storm procs

it doesnt remove the most important one though which is the guranteed proc on sudden death

and the 1 less cleave charge doesnt really matter that much tbh

[olive wraith]

Tldr, play slayer fury if you want. But arms>fury if you prefer arms

[thorny zenith]

is puzzlebox usage for m+ only at start of pull with cds up? or start of pull regardles

[charred flint]

Realistically you should have cds UP every start of the pull

[thorny zenith]

yea true, never send mid pull though right?

for puzzle

[charred flint]

Having 30 seconds cd is kind of what we ARE about

[next canopy]

How’s midnight boys? Is it true arms is pumping in m+?

[fickle cedar]

yep big time

[serene socket]

what happened to A tier

[fickle cedar]

but fury aint bad honestly, you get cds every pack its fun

i honestly never look at the tiers

[serene socket]

arms ceiling is higher but your total damage over the run will prob be higher playing fury thane if ur arent playing arms optimally

[molten venture]

I started learning arms cause I saw it was better. Its so much harder than fury

[fickle cedar]

yeah its way more punishing, sending cds at the end of a pack and getting them before the next as arms is tough but really rewarding

[serene socket]

its also kind of requires your team and key level to match well to allow that timing in the first place lol. Anything you see on those tier lists are really just showing premade's who are building around it imo

i like playing arms tho cause the lower apm. Fury gives carpal tunnel

[molten venture]

fair. I enjoy both now. So different but both fit the warri well thematically

[storm kestrel]

I think your mileage as arms is super super dependent on your tank and how well they're routing / pulling, whereas fury will fit and work every time

[molten venture]

agree

[storm kestrel]

Casually doing 16s, and I'd say the majority of tanks right now trying to time 16s will not funnel / pull well for you to pop off as arms

[molten venture]

what average dungeon dps should I have for keys like that what do you think?

I never tried harder than 10