fury

[remote drift]

Ye

[unkempt oasis]

They are never tuning another class ever again

[olive wraith]

🔮

[olive wraith]

There’s surely talents, no apex though

Classic is basically you’re playing same stuff they had during launch of the expac

[wind token]

Tuning may not happen until 12.0.7 raid

[olive wraith]

S2 will be better

[wind token]

I’d like to think so too

[nocturne wadi]

Hi! In general with the changes of 12.0.5, what would you think will be more optimal for Raid? Arms or Fury?

[spare steppe]

I think we’ll see some ST tuning

[olive wraith]

Arms probably better. But play whichever tbh

[drowsy heron]

i wonder if they are going to do something to OF to make it relevant after this tierset is gone

[olive wraith]

If you’re more skilled at fury you’ll probably do more than being a newb arms

[olive wraith]

S2 bleed tier

[nocturne wadi]

Ty! Bro!

[visual trail]

I know yall are in the middle of a discussion so I'll keep it somewhat brief. I'm an extremely casual prot warrior player, and I plan doing maybe up to 10s at some point. I'm just not grasping when to use intercept, and also my target moving away from me that makes me wonder if it's worth using. Should I even worry about it?

[olive wraith]

Did you mean to ask prot channel?

[visual trail]

Probably thanks

[olive wraith]

If I had to guess they don’t really use it

[visual trail]

I'm like day 3 sleep deprived with a toddler so my b

[olive wraith]

All g friend

[drowsy heron]

S2 gonna be RB season, they gonna hard overcompensate for us not talenting for it this season

[olive wraith]

Bruh

I’m sick of one button just being dead

[drowsy heron]

me too, but blizz doesnt know how to balance lol

[olive wraith]

Kinda wish they stuck with the crit themed talents from alpha

Not the apex though. Fuck that version

[echo rapids]

I believe in you blizz

[quiet geyser]

Beef up RB and buff the shit out of bloodcraze. Boom no dead buttons

[verbal sluice]

i mean as a community we do all the work for them they have 100s of thousands of parses to see what needs balancing

[echo rapids]

Make RB the default for slayer, BT the default for thane, give each a hook to periodically use the other, boom

[olive wraith]

While I think bloodcraze is the best it’s been. I’d still take Archi design

[drowsy heron]

this has been the ask for a while and they just dont do it lol

[olive wraith]

And make bt do something special on crit

I also think they’re pinning themselves into a corner with thane design

[quiet geyser]

With RB being effectively spammable, if its strong, you'll have no reason to press anything else unless that something else gets juiced by pressing rb lol

[echo rapids]

Like BT On crit makes your next RB hit giga hard?

[quiet geyser]

Hence bloodcraze being perfect

[rare garnet]

Bring back anni RB is a dumb button

[olive wraith]

Idk there’s probably a bunch of things they could do

[olive wraith]

We’d need another rotational button or two first

[drowsy heron]

please no

[rare garnet]

Whirlwind. Rend.

[echo rapids]

They just need to make it not need a WA for efficient use

[echo rapids]

Jesus Christ no

[olive wraith]

Just to make it plausible lol

[drowsy heron]

anni gameplay was cancer, go play arms or something else if you want that type of shit lol

[olive wraith]

How was it cancer

[echo rapids]

If they can’t make something good and interesting with ramp RB BT execute and WW/tclap

[olive wraith]

I liked how drastic of a change it was

[summer quail]

it was fine in raid imo. god was it garbage in m+ tho

[quiet geyser]

We never needed a WA for the old BT tier set... it just makes it easier but not needed.

Lets say bloodcraze was max 3 stacks instead of 5, but juiced each stack giving like +20% damage. Its not hard to count to 3 lol

[olive wraith]

That wasn’t s3

[echo rapids]

For sure, it should just light up at 3

[quiet geyser]

But ya, if the idea is making both bt and rb relevant, I dont know how you make it any easier than just buffing bloodcraze

[drowsy heron]

just make it a buff that triggers after 3 RBs

[echo rapids]

Turns BT into a jucied BB

[drowsy heron]

or that

[olive wraith]

That would be cool

[echo rapids]

the tools are there

[olive wraith]

X amount of rb makes next bt into bb

[quiet geyser]

Hate it. Would make it useless in reck

[olive wraith]

No cause then we’d be cb

[drowsy heron]

honestly, just make it a different ability from BB, makes it so that you dont have to worry about wasting it during reck windows

[olive wraith]

Plus you’d just bank it

[quiet geyser]

Would still make the talent useless in reck lol

Literally wouldn't do anything

[echo rapids]

Not if it’s a super BB

CB could still do it

[quiet geyser]

My idea already does that

Without the over complication

[olive wraith]

But that’s fine. We’re flat

Who needs cooldown windows

[drowsy heron]

or redesign RA so that a certain number of BTs/RBs gives CBs/BBs

[rare garnet]

I dont get the obsession with RB. I hate it as slayer and as thane I done even keybind it. So weird to me wanting that to be a focus instead of improving the kit in other ways.

[olive wraith]

Hmm idk about that one chief

[olive wraith]

It’s just a rotational ability

[rare garnet]

The only good thing about clappa is being able to ignore it

[drowsy heron]

just cause you dont like it doesnt mean others cant, there should always be options for people imo

[olive wraith]

The charge reset aspect of rb makes people think it’s extra cpm

[quiet geyser]

Slayer right now feels absolutely shitty to play with rb being so weak

[olive wraith]

Idgaf about rb. But we shouldn’t ignore it

[rare garnet]

You could reverse BT and RBs position and it feels the same…

How does slyer feel bad with weak RB

[quiet geyser]

No it doesn't, cuz rb is effectively spammable bt isnt

[olive wraith]

Because bt has a cooldown

[drowsy heron]

you have less buttons to press as Slayer Fury since Thane gets BT resets so RB being weak means you are pressing a weak button more often

[echo rapids]

I’ve never seen a class discord that ponders design fantasy like warrior lol

Indictment of blizzard

[drowsy heron]

cause Blizzard doesnt fuck other specs like they fuck warrior

[echo rapids]

Yeah

Wouldn’t be so bad if tuning was better

[drowsy heron]

plus warrior has been almost literally the same for 3 expansions now

[abstract tulip]

idk clapping is fun

[drowsy heron]

its fun but gets old quick imo

i prefer slayer cause BS is fun and spinning to win is awesome

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/284226322585354241/1413178488713642104/GIF_20250904_160623_708.gif

[abstract tulip]

yeah but so is the dopamine of pressing avatar

[drowsy heron]

meh, avatar is weaker now without the CC removal imo

thats the other nice thing about Slayer, BS breaks CC

can cheese a bunch of M+ stuff with it

[echo rapids]

Avatar is such a mid CD sorry

Get a little bigger and do more damage

[drowsy heron]

i personally think its stupid that BS and Avatar are on the same node but its whatever at this point

[echo rapids]

We should turn into literally Zeus

With the Warrior class hall teleport and then we yeet back down like pantheon from league and do a bunch of chain thunder blasts

[drowsy heron]

make avatar a heroic leap type ability that turns you into Zeus and causes a bunch of lightning damage in an area

[wary salmon]

Id rather it be thor than zues

[echo rapids]

When blizzard gives warrior some real visual overhaul dripping with theme I will know they care

[drowsy heron]

yea i could see that

[echo rapids]

Sure

[rare garnet]

Best I can do is rotational heroic leap ala vengeance

[wary salmon]

[olive wraith]

Thane cdr though

[echo rapids]

And blizz trying to kill that lol

[vestal root]

warrior has such crazy potential for visuals man

[normal yoke]

Alright boys, how cooked is Thane after Tuesday?

[olive wraith]

Not

[vestal root]

all reverted so keep playing itr

[stiff maple]

nothing changed for thane

[vestal root]

dont play arms otherwise i they will nerf it and that would hurt me

[olive wraith]

I think thane avatar was a successful way to make our cds feel real

[echo rapids]

Nothing changed, you are safe to desperately pad adds to hide your bottom boss damage

[vestal root]

i love fury tons but i hate that

you either pad or you are grey parse

no inbetweeen

[olive wraith]

Raid design issue tbh

[echo rapids]

I love when your purple parse is less than a green for other classes

[vestal root]

nah also spec design issue they give fury a niche that stopped being a niche at this point they are just worse at it than some classes

evoker breathes once and it does more than fury

MM does war crimes

and so on

just make it less flat and give it better ST

[echo rapids]

It’s the Maddox video

Dynamic cdr means your cooldowns have to be shit

And that hasn’t been good for a long time

And this isn’t even a tier with a lot of amp phases

[vestal root]

i honestly believe AM is just creating issues

[rare garnet]

Give BM treatment make all our CDs 30s

[vestal root]

if they removed AM and balanced around aligned big CDs we would be different

[rare garnet]

(I’m a fan of flat)

[echo rapids]

Imagine if the saladbar amp was 50% or 100%

[vestal root]

give option node isntead so like paladin, we lose reck but we cast it on odyns fury with shorter cd or something similar

anger management is just making blizz look at us like we are gonna break the game any moment

[rare garnet]

Then I want paladins crusading strikes for RB

[vestal root]

idgaf paladins get suckled anyways

[echo rapids]

AM plus imp WW is a bad combo for design

[vestal root]

atm we dont have a choice

AM or bust

and that just creates issues

makes our cooldowns really weak

[echo rapids]

Everything is so homogenized

Might as well make war too

[vestal root]

no thats the thing its not

warrior is 3 xpacs behind most melees

[echo rapids]

Right warrior is the exception

And it’s in a bad way

[vestal root]

i think warrior suffers from same issue frost DKs do, archaic design that some veteran players love and cant let go, which makes it trash

[abstract tulip]

it could be worse

you could be a rogue

[vestal root]

frost DKs and warrior players we gotta give in man

[rare garnet]

New frost DK is fucking cool what are you on

[vestal root]

its not that new rly

its less jank less punishing

still feels the same

proc fiesta, breath, frostwyrm

breath was a mistake just like current ravager and rend are for example

[rare garnet]

I won’t argue that I hate breath like I do RB

Gives me no joy

[vestal root]

we gotta let blizz rework and modernize warrior, i think arms players are the worst in this they for some reason adore this current warrior jank and wont let go lol

[rare garnet]

They don’t have time. Shadow needs its weekly overhaul.

[vestal root]

and i like slayer arms atm, but colo is criminal

[vestal root]

all 5 shadow players cant agree

which version of shadow they want

(legion)

[echo rapids]

Shadow at least gets visual identity

You know what shadow is about

[rare garnet]

I still prefer Warrior visuals over BM but that’s a low ass bar. Whoever made lost ark warrior needs to come do visuals.

[vestal root]

REAL

guild wars 2 warrior is also giga de la chad

set yourself on fire? do an insane spinning cleave that has a CHUNKY audio? headbutt enemies and enrage yourself? cmon now

[echo rapids]

Bro bladessworn

For arms

[vestal root]

gunsaber yeah

[echo rapids]

Charge up that giga dragon slash

[vestal root]

id make fury similar to berserker and arms should be like bladesworn, slower and methodical but charge up insane crits

i cant say anything about protwarriors though

[echo rapids]

Berserker feels so meaty

[rare garnet]

I wanna see arms discord when they make MS an empowered cast.

[vestal root]

demolish shouldve been that

like an evoker charged breath

charge up an insane attack

GIGA crit!

big number, every1 happy

maybe i should write a big forum post in cope and hopes

[abstract tulip]

warrior can only be fixed by adding a healer specc where you just shout at people

[echo rapids]

Let’s be real, blademaster is right there

[rare garnet]

Banner support

[vestal root]

thats our missing lust

[echo rapids]

Its hanging out with tinkerer at the “how is this not in game” table

[vestal root]

which is funny that gw2 warrior can do exactly that hahah

[rare garnet]

Tinker is just gobling sv hunter.

[vestal root]

i think we lost it second monk was introduced

[echo rapids]

Yeah there is literally a support warrior

[vestal root]

windwalk, mirror images warrior

[echo rapids]

Oh for sure, they even have the mastery arms should hsve

[vestal root]

[granite badger]

our MT on 21 april getting nerf ? or the nerfs are reverted?

[echo rapids]

Reverted

MT Basically the same

[granite badger]

ttyty

[frank dawn]

fury buffs gonna get announced this evening for sure tho

[granite badger]

ahahah xD hope so

[echo rapids]

Surely

[frank dawn]

[dim spindle]

Surely! hufffff

[round pawn]

where was this announced/updated? can't seem to find it, apologies if this was already posted beforehand

[dim spindle]

The holy word of Archi

[tardy lark]

[dim spindle]

I heard he has a direct line to Blizzard HQ

[frank dawn]

it's in the notes for prot, but Archi confirmed it was also reverted for Fury on the PTR. He also said that seperate versions of that spell don't exist currently for each spec.

[dim spindle]

That's his direct line

Notice how it doesn't even have a dial wheel/number pad? That's how direct it is.

[echo rapids]

You know it’s real cause it’s an ancient phone, in line with fury’s outdated design

DK has that 5g chip in their heads, we have rotary land lines

[vestal root]

warrior uses smoke signals

message recieved, we should nerf warr? ok

[dry hawk]

Warlock/mage is goated? Ok nerf warrior

[vestal root]

real and trvth

cloth wearers have it ez

well except priest but we dont talk about them

[echo rapids]

Are there any specs that got a big overhaul in midnight and ended up shit?

[vestal root]

idk

dont know much about some classes

[echo rapids]

Feels like most of the ones that got a lot of attention and redesign ended up strong

[vestal root]

aug evokers are still carrying my ass

balanced spec

[fading sky]

Warrior

[quiet geyser]

Thats the case anytime blizz overhauls a spec or releases a new 1

[supple glen]

to a certain extent that makes sense bc you want people to play them

[quiet geyser]

Giga Chad for first tier

[fading sky]

Arms rework slashed rage🤣

But did give us epic funnel

[supple glen]

redesigning and tuning it badly kinda misses the point

[fading sky]

Tis what they do

[supple glen]

but yeah its weird to influence mid to bottom

[fading sky]

I mean arms just has horrid st

Coz blizzard super duper overnerfed us

Just b4 release

[supple glen]

arms at least has something going for it

[fading sky]

Fury got same nerf

To rb // deep wounds

And the aa that made fury have good st

[spare steppe]

Our poor ST 🪦

I wish they would remove anger management and nerf WW so that our CDs and ST can be tuned appropriately

[fading sky]

I mean

Lets say current tuning

Buff bloodbath in cds

And we good

And the rb thingy

Or rebuff aa

Legit no impact on mass aoe. And our cleave dmg aint mad

[vestal root]

as discussed earlier AM is hurting our balance HARD

our cds are wet noodle strength because we get them back faster

[fading sky]

I mean ofc

But

Atm they could easily buff our cdd

[spare steppe]

we can’t ever have real CDs if we get them back so quickly

[fading sky]

Paladins?

Its not the issue of am solely

More the flat dmg profile

[spare steppe]

AM makes it flat imo

[fading sky]

Nah

Cds being bad makes itnflat

[wary smelt]

Im assuming thane is still better than slayer in keys?

[fading sky]

If they buffed bb a lot

We would have a cd

And we are so far behind on st

Its a non issue

[spare steppe]

Tbh I’d rather they buff RB significantly for ST

[fading sky]

Y i meant tje talent

That makes bt be bb

And rb be cb

Buff cb + bb a lot

[spare steppe]

Ahhh yeah the recklessness one

[fading sky]

We are now bursty

Atm they have the headroom

Our st suck

Our cleave at best mediocre

[spare steppe]

I miss OF doing real damage too

[fading sky]

Cant have it all

Id settle for reck being a good cd

And our dmg spikim

Esp since pots are so strong

It rly fucks us over

[spare steppe]

Yeah reck being a good cd would be nice, just gonna be sad next season for OF if they don’t buff it in some shape or form

[fading sky]

Yeah

Of should also give ww stacks

[strong garden]

Is mountain thane getting nerfed in the .5 patch?

[spare flame]

bro im getting mogged by these ret paladins and mm hunters on algethar first pack

[chilly kayak]

dw you catch up later

[versed elm]

Anyone got some advice on rotation for fury in M+? Guessing Moutain Thane is best to use aswell, but what of when the nerf of Clap happens?
Asking 'cause my DPS is shit atm hahaha

[spare flame]

you mean in season 2?

[chilly kayak]

[spare steppe]

Follow AOE prio from wowhead in aoe, ST for MT on bosses/prio kills

Wowhead/icyveins both good for fury

[versed elm]

Aight, thanks!

[spare flame]

bro im in fucking trinket jail, cant get gaze or heart

[spare steppe]

Guild hasn’t seen a heroic gaze yet

[chilly kayak]

Just click shiny button imo

[spare flame]

right, but that other shit trinkets drops every single time

shit trinket* singular

[torpid dune]

Do I craft for 2 spark or i wait 4 and craft 2nd weapon? I don't raid at all, only M=

[spare flame]

nah dont craft a 2nd weapon

you can always get a myth one from vault and we'll start getting the bonus rolls next week(?)

[random shadow]

Yes

[torpid dune]

I think I can craft boots and pray for SEAT gloves drop?

[random shadow]

Just rng the myth weapon from bonus rolls

[random shadow]

Tis a sim question

[torpid dune]

ok

[random shadow]

Its normally boots or belt but you have a socket on belt so its a sim question for boots

Otherwise idk what else you'd craft

[spare flame]

isnt it giga cringe that the only 2handers from raids are from lura and vanguard? like.. bruh

[random shadow]

Is fine bonus rolls are coming

[valid pulsar]

jo do you guys know a good website or source to find good routes for m+ or imports for mdt ?

[random shadow]

Just roll in MT

And get myth weapon thats better stats anyways profit

[random shadow]

Keystone guru

[spare flame]

surely i wont get the cloak

[random shadow]

Might even roll the ring

Win win if you think about it

2 good items or so from MT

[sly merlin]

i trolled and didn’t do heroic neck quest crafted neck is simming best should i send it

[warm crag]

good news vanguard is the only boss your class is excelling at

[spare flame]

dont we use both rings from nexus point?

or have i been gaslighted

[potent sparrow]

Is fury still better than arms for M+/Raid?

[sly merlin]

arms is ahead in m+ but fury is still fine imo

[random shadow]

There's tech better rings then void

Maybe when both are at myth level but eh

[quiet geyser]

Arms is better pretty much across the board

[random shadow]

I use the set currently tho since my myth void with hero light Sims higher

[unborn delta]

Arms is probably better than fury everywhere but fury is easier to learn and do well on

[quiet geyser]

Set rings are BiS until you get the mythic double socket ring

Which most ppl wont get for a long while

[spare flame]

i have lost count how many nexus points ive done

i have never even seen the crit one drop

[indigo girder]

best sqw guys ?

[spare flame]

tf is sqw twin

[fallen ginkgo]

"SQW primarily refers to a leading British consulting firm for economic and social research."

i dont think he means that, but thanks google

[spare flame]

LOL

[woven valley]

I mean the only good Brit is one that’s far away from me

So none of them

[sonic zenith]

So how bad is the 12.0.5 update on fury

[indigo girder]

ahhaah

[woven valley]

So bad it’s almost no change

[indigo girder]

SpellQueueWindow

[woven valley]

We need pretty substantial single target buffs and for them to lower the damage meat cleaver does to secondary targets to even begin to be decent in raid atm

[spare flame]

our ST dmg really is garbage

almost unbelievable

[woven valley]

We are worse than aug….the not real dps class

[sonic zenith]

I'm always top in keys then like 47th on the dps charts in raid

[woven valley]

We are literally the lowest boss damage in the game atm

[fading sky]

I still say fury better on prog

[woven valley]

Yeah that’s why my solution is increase st heavy, decrease meat cleaver appropriately and it’ll make us be better on boss damage but not make us go insane on aoe

[random shadow]

Depends on your ping. But it shouldn't go below your ping plus 150 or whatever

According to Archie

[woven valley]

Easy trade off that’s easy to balance

[fading sky]

M8

Just buff aa

• rb // cb

Our aoe is capped

[random shadow]

But you want the highest ping that feels smooth tho

[fading sky]

Its a non issue

[indigo girder]

like ive got 40 ms ping or something near

so 190

[random shadow]

I said min. Try 200-250 first

I get 50-60 for most part. Currently playing on 250 and feels good

[woven valley]

I mean I don’t think rb has a place in the rotation right now without making it feel cluttered.

[quiet geyser]

They dont even have to lower meat cleaver... furys AoE isn't that great anyways, and its strength isnt in cleaving rotationals, its strictly TC spam

[woven valley]

True. But blizz always takes when they give

[fading sky]

Wth dym

Its used a lot now

[woven valley]

It’s used as a last resort right now

[fading sky]

If prio is just rb > rend

[spare flame]

🤔

[fading sky]

M8 in st

Not rly

Its bt > rb

[random shadow]

Make fury good again

[fading sky]

Unless + 100 rage

[random shadow]

Great again

[spare flame]

here sir, back to molten core you go

monkey paw curls

[random shadow]

Its time to move on from the past old man

[woven valley]

Literally rb is below rend on anything i look at lol 😂

Like I get wanting it to be good again

[spare flame]

bro rb is below WW no cappachino

[abstract tulip]

anyone else finds puzzle box tedious to use?
but the reward of having it lined up and active is way too good

[random shadow]

Just pre pull it and gucci

Hate it in raid tho

To the point i just dont use it

[woven valley]

But what we need are substantial buffs not more clutter when deciding what buttons to hit when

[abstract tulip]

prepull on chainpulls

[spare flame]

<- hater of on use trinkets on specs that have their cd reduced by any reason

[random shadow]

I mean theres the 1 or 2 seconds between pylls

[woven valley]

I mean tbh I decided day one of knowing puzzle box was back that I would just ignore it entirely

[spare flame]

this is the 3rd time this trinket is on rotation

please blizzard

send algethar to the twisting nether

never to be brought back again

[woven valley]

So glad I got myth heart and hero alnseer

[hybrid canopy]

Boys, i'm debating with a friend. How doomed is it looking ?

[woven valley]

Doomededed

[hybrid canopy]

Kap kap?

[woven valley]

Unless blizz does some last second buffs fury will continue to be bottom of the barrel

[abstract tulip]

tfw got the wrong myth heart

[hybrid canopy]

Bout arms?

[woven valley]

Arms is fine

Middle of the pack after their more recent buffs

[spare flame]

the highest blizzard will ever let warriors be

without nerfing them to hell

anub'ar palace incident

[random shadow]

Arms is pretty high tho

[woven valley]

I just want them to make us mid pack. That’s it. Just tired of looking like a sandbagger while shadow priests and warlocks doing hella dps while sleeping

[random shadow]

Col aoe is very strong

Im more of a key enjoyer anyways so im not to stressing about raid tuning

[fading sky]

But thats m+

I mean do u do mythic raid

[random shadow]

I do

[fading sky]

Coz being carried feels shit 2 me

[random shadow]

Not wrong at all

[fading sky]

Any last 3 bosses like

And i am playing my heart out

[random shadow]

I do enough carrying so being carried at times feels nice

[abstract tulip]

are the wowhead guides and tier lists ever getting updated

[fading sky]

Meanwhile mm on alts fucks me

[woven valley]

Yeah raid feels like shit for fury

[fading sky]

It feels shit for wsrrior

[random shadow]

I'll probably always be up of my guild meters even in mythic so its whatever. Pug mythic makes me sad tho

[woven valley]

Like even when you do well it’s usually because other players did poorly not that you did better lol 😂

[random shadow]

But as long i get mythic gaze and heart idrc

[spare flame]

heart doesnt exist im sorry

you've been gaslighted

[random shadow]

Ik. The pug kill the ret pally got it amh

I high rolled the bracers

And not heart

[loud field]

I got one in vault that was 3/6 on my DK

[spare flame]

ive cleared that shit ass vorasius boss every single reset and i have seen ONE heart

and i lost that shit

[random shadow]

I killed 3 bosses today so lowkey scared for my vault

Hoping for either gaze or heart

[spare flame]

[loud field]

sorry lmao

I only took it cause it was between that or a socket

funny enough heroic guidon loses on unholy dk to myth gaze and heart combined

[fading sky]

Sadly my guild has somewhat meh add placement on 4 first and range that fuck

[olive wraith]

Tier lists are a joke. And wowhead guides get updated as needed

[random shadow]

At least guild is doing mythic my guild isnt startingprogging till next week and ima be late to the raid night smh

[spare steppe]

We started progging chimeras and boy that fight is fun

[spare flame]

• Satan

[spare steppe]

I was asked to take the fear breaking talent if that tells you how it’s going

[random shadow]

I dont wanna see how my guilds gonna be progging it

Ima join late into then yelling af each other

Shits gonna be funny

[void yoke]

Nothing wrong with having failsafe options during prog. Hell, I still take that, Shockwave, and Storm Bolt as just-in-cases.

[random shadow]

I mean those are good in chim

Espically for adds

[void yoke]

For sure. The "recommended talents" don't include them, but I'd rather kill the boss.

[random shadow]

Tho if you need to use them instead of the other classes its kinda cooked

Warriors shouldn't need to since other classes ulti

[chilly fractal]

Just run your M+ build for Chimmychonga

[coarse nest]

Aye nice that’s what I order when I go to Mexican restaurant with my wife

[chilly fractal]

[torpid dune]

Is it possible to use same 2 embelishments? i.e. two arcanoweave insights?

[coarse nest]

Yes

[terse ether]

An1 knows how to conditionally yell / say on a mcro

I want to say Spell Reflect On for example when Im not in raid group

I thought it was [nogroup:raid]

[smoky vale]

i dont think thats a thing

that used to previously work via weakauras

so to implement it now youd have to ahve 2 difference spell reflect macros

[spare steppe]

Oh they’re great just a “we can’t interrupt shit” situation

[uneven plaza]

why is academy such a shit key?

[sage owl]

poop timer

[grave pike]

if i havent received a myth wep yet, should i remove Hunt and craft extra item and go 2x arcanoweave? i

[summer quail]

🤖

[cold leaf]

Why is Platinum Star Band considered BiS over Omission of Light or Bond of Light (from Raid)?

[radiant plank]

because in bis gear it gives you a good chunk of crit and mastery

and with that exact specific combo of gear it sims the highest

[cold leaf]

But SC shows me lower numbers with Platinum band + Omission than w/ Bond of Light + Omission

[radiant plank]

yeah

are you in bis bis gear

like the carbon copy of gear

of that list

[cold leaf]

and even less than with 2 piece Omission + Occlusion

Pretty close minus stupid Dreamrift trink

[radiant plank]

so you are not

theres your answer

[stiff maple]

It sims best in that extremely specific setup

[bitter palm]

this is the exact reason why everyone is advised to sim their character

[cold leaf]

ok 🙂

[stiff maple]

bis lists are pretty fake nowadays

[cold leaf]

thanks for explaining that haha

i was so confused

[reef jetty]

Does someone have a correct bis stuff link ? Top players seems to have lots of different gems, enchants and gear pieces (rings, necklace, cape,...). Thank you !!

[sullen dove]

yea its all different depends on your own personal sim

wowhead has the realest "bis list" but its unreasonable/not like possible to get every single item on it for a majority of players

usually involves mythic end boss loot

[sullen cloak]

Bars at the top left have just suddenly appeared on my UI for seemingly no reason...any idea why ..cant seem to get rid of them

any thoughts?

[fringe linden]

Looks like Personal Resource Display

[wispy thistle]

looks like a WW and rage tracker

[fringe linden]

From Cooldown Manager.

[sullen cloak]

the big whirlwind is my whirlwind tracker...its the brown and red bar top left

just appeared when i logged in

[wispy thistle]

yeah we see it

[sullen cloak]

not there yesterday

[reef jetty]

So should i relay on archon gear popularity list ? For the wowhead bis list i only miss 2 item from last raid.

[sullen cloak]

yeah ...was wondering what the 4 bars were for...sorry agreed whirlwind tracker

[sullen dove]

ideally you use raidbots and sim the gear your character has

[sullen cloak]

do you think its one of the main Blizzard ones?

[wispy thistle]

like nerxual said it looks like the blizz CDM one but you would have to look and find it

[sullen cloak]

ok ty

[wispy thistle]

other than that you turn off addons until you find the culprit

[sullen cloak]

might be one of my adds ons...thanks guys

[olive wraith]

Ignore Bis lists. Sim self

[reef jetty]

Alright thanks !

[reef jetty]

Roger 👍🏼

[tardy lark]

use /fstack and it will tell you what addon specifically

[young swan]

can confirm

/fstack is goated

[strange drift]

salhadar hc somehow managed a 99 lol

[oblique thistle]

Thoughts on .5 slayer for keys? How far behind is it compared to thane?

[olive wraith]

You’re okay to play it

[shut pivot]

will it be behin tho?

i mean it reap coming from our most spamme ability

[olive wraith]

Losing bt reap

Is it most spammed? I haven’t checked overall casts

[oblique thistle]

I mean you are definitely casting a lot of rampages

[sullen dove]

its like a little bit better on aoe

probably not coming close to thane still

[olive wraith]

I’m aware

[frozen scarab]

how do people find enough to pug +17s but i cant even find 1 to pug a 12

[oblique thistle]

Figured

[sullen dove]

but its ok

[fallen ginkgo]

just looking at a random +10 from me few days ago 282 ramp 102BB 134BT so 282 to 236

[olive wraith]

So maybe a little more reaps

[sullen dove]

how many of those ramps are on st bosses tho

doubt much more

[fallen ginkgo]

but how many of those ramps have WW passive

[fallen ginkgo]

ye exactly

[oblique thistle]

Plus 20% bs damage helps a bit

[sullen dove]

but they'll be more concentrated in your cds

50 rage cost rampage

get a few more reaps than average during reck/ava

a little nice

but nothing crazy

[fallen ginkgo]

yup same thought

[shut pivot]

so as of rn we wont have an actual st spec ?

[olive wraith]

Wdym

[sullen dove]

still slayer probably but it is getting nerfed vs now

so thats always fun

thane might be within a percent or 2 on st now lol

[past pivot]

As of now, it's Slayer. Come Tuesday, it'll be .... Slayer

[sullen dove]

and considering ur way less beholden to rng on thane not having to worry about bs

might just be better tbh

[indigo arch]

Blows my mind they haven't addressed warr st damage yet

[olive wraith]

Tldr, you’ll be fine to play slayer up until maybe 18-19 key levels

[oak peak]

So before figure out what to try to reroll for next week, are the nexus-point rings sim bait? Or are they really bis? Bad in AoE?

[indigo arch]

Nexus rings are excellent

[sullen dove]

idk about complete endgame bis they do seem really good tho

[spare steppe]

We aren’t the worst

So therefore everything is fine

[indigo arch]

And the crit haste ring is absurdly good for arms too

[sullen dove]

probably 2nd best ring combo if its not the absolute bis but whats listed on wowhead isnt meant to be realistically attainable for most

[indigo arch]

:)

[sullen dove]

less valuable on aoe but eh

stats still decent enough to maybe still use on it anyway

[oak peak]

Good deal! Definitely worth farming for

[narrow hound]

guys, I need quick maths here: slayer fury, do I use execute on sudden death proccs all the time? only in single target? only in aoe?I'm confused

[sullen dove]

yea its probably a pretty good thing to spend ur bonus rolls on

assuming not going for a trinket or something insane out of raid

[oblique thistle]

I've been playing arms but I really miss slayer so I was just curious if its super far behind thane or whatever

Probably will just stick with arms for now

[sullen dove]

most likely get both rings hopefully within 2 weeks of rolls

might take up to 3

[olive wraith]

Oh arms is way better lma

[sullen dove]

could get turbo lucky and bang em out week 1

[oak peak]

Yeah might try for myth gaze first then go rings after

[olive wraith]

Check out the wowhead guide

[sullen dove]

though like... myth track armor upgrades will be more valuable than the rings just the rings are alot more exclusive

like hero > myth pants should always win out over rings basically no matter what but u can get pants from anywhere and any vault and just catalyze them

[olive mica]

hey all. i just finished some raids and m+ and i feel like im way down in terms of dps. like, a rogue with 20 ilvls down easily overtook me. what should i be able to dish out at ilvl 266? like whats an expected dps for that

[sullen dove]

vs rings are like 2 rings out of 70 or so m+ items

[spare steppe]

Aren’t they still heroic though with bonus rolls

[sullen dove]

uh no if u do the dungeon on +10

gives u same ilvl as it would from great vault 1/6 myth

[spare steppe]

Oh damn that’s actually quite nice

[deep hatch]

Where did u read it is removed from BT? Patch notes do not mention it?

[olive wraith]

It’s an older note

It’s removed

[spare steppe]

I’ll probably save up bonus rolls for chimeras if my luck holds

[oblique thistle]

Ye keys will be very good source of just regular myth gear

[indigo arch]

Always have tbh

[sullen dove]

it doesnt say its "removed" from bt it just says what reap has been updated to

[oblique thistle]

Well yeah I mean more so than before

[sullen dove]

this insinuates no longer is activated by bt

[indigo arch]

If they could just make m+ trinkets good I'd never raid

[oblique thistle]

Getting more than just vault is nice

Same

[indigo arch]

Not counting puzzle because it's cringe

[deep hatch]

Update doesnt mean removed or changed? It might be the language OR a silent nerd to bt?

[sullen dove]

update is just like, what the ability has been changed to do

[olive wraith]

If the tooltip no longer mentions bt in it

[sullen dove]

most of the time

[deep hatch]

If they just added to rampage then its a budf

[olive wraith]

It suggests bt will no longer proc it

[sullen dove]

there may be fringe cases but the new wording is "it is only from rampage in aoe" and implies on the side it does not work on bt

[olive wraith]

Friend read the tooltip

[sullen dove]

which it doesnt

if it wanted to add on to bt's it would probably say something like "rts is additionally triggered by rampage" or something

[olive wraith]

I assume people have also confirmed bt doesn’t proc reap on ptr

[sullen dove]

it is an ok change for aoe but we are losing st to get it which is phenomenal

[olive wraith]

Agreed. Ramp being the proc button is better

[sullen dove]

maybe in .7 our ever insightful oracles at blizzard hq will buff raging blow by 10% or something so we can pretend to do dmg in the 1 boss flex raid

[strange drift]

i fucking despise heroic alt runs i just want to log ;_;

[olive wraith]

Honestly I’m even down for just dumping more power into ramp

[sullen dove]

i mean.. looks like good logs to me idk

obv could work on lura a little bit

[strange drift]

not enough 90's for my liking

[sullen dove]

dragons i think is gonna pmuch be actually impossible to orange or pink unless ur in like a 30 man full of people that dont do damage

which you could only "organically" find from boosting runs lol

[strange drift]

and someone fucking missclicked bl on alleria at start

kekw

[sullen dove]

altho even that isnt that big of a "useless" population still have like 80% of your raid being very heavy pumpers

can also work against you

[strange drift]

true

[sullen dove]

epic

[tardy lark]

hate playing with good players

[craggy gulch]

Are you guys prioritizing bloodbath and rampage over thunderclap in 7+ target situations?

[random shadow]

No

[elder plover]

How do you all feel about the musicbox? worth investing in? see mix reports on using it or not.

[oblique thistle]

Great for aoe burst, but is very annoying to use

[fading sky]

Never

[desert storm]

where is fury buffs ? ffs

[oblique thistle]

Next season

[fading sky]

Competent st

Never

[deep hatch]

So pretty much MT stays where it is atm. Slayer gets somewhat better on aoe. Remains to be seen how much dmg does rts does

[fading sky]

We had season 3

[oblique thistle]

Dont worry guys the reap changes opened up design space

Trust me

They'll capitalize on it for sure

[fading sky]

I mean arms needs same help on st

[random shadow]

This is like their last promised tuning. So like we might not get one for a hot minute till like m+ changes

So idk man

[oblique thistle]

I know all of that was sarcasm

[fading sky]

We cooked medium low all tier

[oblique thistle]

Shit I saw people saying for weeks

It is what it is

[boreal swallow]

can anyone craft plate gloves?

[fading sky]

Dont

Craft hands

[random shadow]

Can't tell me what to do. Ima craft gloves now 2 weeks from now >:(

[warm crag]

youd need to have a very insane gear setup for crafting gloves to be the correct thing to do for your character

or you are banned from seat

[worn yoke]

Sometimes I feel like the only person who really liked the very high melee damage at the start of the prepatch. I long to have that back. It's literally one of the only ways I can see how they would improve st damage without improving our already sufficient cleave. Also go back to the good old days melee was top dog because WE ARE SWINGING 2 GIANT WEAPONS

[warm crag]

idk autoattack damage boring as fuck and its certainly not one of the only ways they could fix st

everything is auras they can just tune up and down its a game after all

[olive wraith]

20% of your st being white hits is lame af

[sudden tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/jesseling-kronk-emperors-new-groove-its-all-coming-together-KEYEpIngcmXlHetDqz

[warm crag]

!!!!

are the wclogs vote changes already in or

[sudden tusk]

no

[warm crag]

Hoooly

[sudden tusk]

this is boss dam

so it will be soon lmao

[warm crag]

you are going to get killed for contextless graphs you know that right

just screenshot a bit more at the top man

[sudden tusk]

nah you have to vauge post

its all about vaugeposting

[warm crag]

vagueposters deserve vague threats

[fading sky]

I mean keep in mind

Arms kept up by paladins

[round pawn]

is there a general cut off range of targets of when thunderclap/blast is priotized vs not as prio over other abilities? still trying to learn fury for higher keys

[fading sky]

Id wish u could make same graph but exclude or include certain bosses

[fading sky]

Wowhead

[worn yoke]

Everything else ST would require further tuning to the way our AOE works. Doable but added level of difficulty

[sudden tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/RespectiveCollective-zoo-sea-life-sealife-wTZBnSvZ5Kq2yjfcv0

[vestal river]

If I Undrstand , they just nerfed our Aoe ? XDDDDDDD

On MT ofc

[mossy pelican]

zzz

[oblique thistle]

#updates-midnight

Thane is unchanged

[indigo arch]

Updates midnight having (THANE NERF REVERTED) in parentheses might help at this point

[fading sky]

That beinh said buffin our st by like the 10% we need

[olive wraith]

Assuming people look at that

[vestal river]

foking hell Ty, and sorry if i was 152514 guy writting about that, i just dont check Dc all the time and dont have acctualy time to do it , but 4 sure next time i will check #updates-midnight before spam Thanks Again

[fading sky]

Will not make us do insane dps

In aoe

[indigo arch]

True, too optimistic

[olive wraith]

Nerf iww at this point

Most of our aoe is now hero tree specific

[fading sky]

Our aoe is pretty mid

[olive wraith]

Sure

[fading sky]

So gettin 10% more aoe in cleave is

Not an issue

[olive wraith]

Doesn’t change my stance though

[dry hawk]

gotta love dying in a hunt and the corpse being NOT seeable

[olive wraith]

Have no clue what’s going on being Blizz doors. But I’m assuming part of the st issue is because we have iww so high

[fading sky]

No

Our issue is they cant tune for shit

And a flat dmg profile

[sullen dove]

It’s not like we that insane in 5tar anyway

[dense elbow]

Depends on what their tuning goals are

Maybe we are supposed to have bottom tier ST now

[fading sky]

Thats my point

[sullen dove]

Oh no we buffed st by 10% now they do 500% more aoe damage!!!!

[fading sky]

I mean ret sims 10-12k above is

Like if fury got up to like 115-118

Keep in mind we need 100% uptime

And no burst

[sudden tusk]

warriros been king on nothing after the ansurek nerfs

not good, not bad just mid

[fading sky]

Not true

[sudden tusk]

well fury is kinda bad rn

[fading sky]

S3 we were strong af

[sullen dove]

in m+

[dense elbow]

Trade deal, Reap is gone, aura buff 20% for Slayer

[sullen dove]

Instantly

[dense elbow]

My man

[fading sky]

Wouldda been played im raid

In race

[sullen dove]

lose 5% damage and gain 20% damage ahh question

[frank dawn]

https://tenor.com/view/deal-damn-good-deal-good-deal-id-make-that-deal-gif-27676387

[fading sky]

It 4p had worked

[sullen dove]

Would u rather have 10 dollar or 20 dollar ahh

But yea

[sturdy trench]

I just want the kit to feel good and be above the medium dps. And im good

[frank dawn]

surely tuning notes for tuesday soon

surely fury will be on them

and surely they will be buffs

[dense elbow]

Surely there will be tuning

[fading sky]

I mean ive never had st dmg been this far apart b4

Ever

[indigo arch]

Don't worry, they'll buff devourer to make up for that sidenerf

Wouldn't want to hurt reroll feelings

[warm crag]

when are you banning the problem person in this discord

[sullen dove]

Gio is too powerful

[sudden tusk]

57 cant be stopped

[warm crag]

[bitter palm]

not anymore

[sullen dove]

[bitter palm]

[warm crag]

her protect us

[indigo arch]

6 7

[fading sky]

Uhdk had furys position

Flr

[bitter palm]

67 vs 57

[sullen dove]

3 days

[fading sky]

10 hours

[bitter palm]

coughing baby vs hydrogen bomb ahh

[sullen dove]

(They still bring mandatory grips to every boss)

[warm crag]

how many flex melee slots are there on lura prog

[fading sky]

Not a raid buff🤣

[warm crag]

i was told there is 1 and its probably rogue

[fading sky]

0

[dense elbow]

We bring raid buff tho

[fading sky]

👌

[dense elbow]

Trade deal, we lose shout, we gain +16% damage

[wheat lantern]

is our reckless pot suppose to dip into mastery or haste ?

[warm crag]

ideally you dont use it at all

its not worth the 2 digit dps gain to fuck over your gearing process that hard

[compact siren]

Spongie gaslighting again

[sly merlin]

i think we use lights potential now no?

[warm crag]

i will reduce you to a shape

[wheat lantern]

my values so far , its not hard to switch a couple pieces , was just wondering

[sullen dove]

like 400 dps diff for me cluegi

[warm crag]

get better gear

[sullen dove]

uh no

[dense elbow]

400 dps is the difference between 100 and 0

[sullen dove]

actually probably more as arms

was 400 for fury

which havent simmed as in like 2 weeks

[compact siren]

Imagine simming the bench class

[sullen dove]

that is why i stopped

[sudden tusk]

supposidlty it fucks with vantus so i just stick with lights potential

[sullen dove]

yea i mean it removes like 60% of your vantus maybe but who cares

up rest of the fight

[heavy eagle]

Hey All,

Could you guys provide some context for these changes:

Mountain Thane
Storm Surge causes Avatar to increase the damage of Thunder Clap by 10% (was 50%) and reduce its cooldown by 25% (was 50%).

I see this coming in 12.0.5 is this a massive nerf or will it be offset somewhere else?

[sudden tusk]

#updates-midnight read

[wheat lantern]

its reverted

[warm crag]

isnt it still in the bluepost

[heavy eagle]

Thank you Sir!

[sudden tusk]

idk its just weird where

it was in

then reverted on ptr without notes

now weird notes with the change not in

there "SHOULD" be tuning notes today

but i expect warrior to be bottom of the barrel still

[warm crag]

so there is a chance they removed it from ptr branch but its still going live ya

[dense elbow]

Nah, no notes

Game is perfectly balanced

Maybe a demo lock buff, maybe

[compact siren]

Perhaps a unholy st buff

[warm crag]

jimbob you are full of food

yum

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HF3xCbuWUAAbp8B.webp

[compact siren]

I am full

[warm crag]

me being worked upon by you

[sullen dove]

yea they rly need it

[compact siren]

https://tenor.com/view/rem-deadlock-belly-meme-gif-6285562892747082921

[livid cosmos]

Wanted to ask, im seeing that arms is being used way more in higher keys, how much better is it than fury in that regard? Do i really have to make the switch or na

[indigo arch]

You don't have to do anything

[sudden tusk]

https://giphy.com/gifs/ivy-deadlock-ivydeadlock-7rOPv1t5JzdGHHMTEF

[frank dawn]

If you’re playing high keys the difference is not small, but it takes those big pulls for that to really come through.

If you’re just doing weekly keys it will not matter at all

IMO

[thorny basin]

guy like me is just gonna play fury no matter what

[indigo arch]

People are still taking fury to high keys, unless you want world ranks it don't matter

[sly merlin]

so it should be chill for pushing 17s styll

[olive wraith]

Ye

[frank dawn]

Honestly I think Slayer will be fun af in m+ next week.

Buuuuut we absolutely still need buffs lol

[sly merlin]

tuning surely

kapparooster

[indigo arch]

Tuning soon

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-gif-18890916

[elder mulch]

slayer > thane on 12.0.5 ??

[young swan]

no

[elder mulch]

fck

[indigo arch]

lmao

[olive wraith]

You can still slayer

[oblique thistle]

Keep dreaming my sweet summer child

[scarlet swift]

https://tenor.com/view/glitter-fabulous-confetti-surprise-people-who-like-their-own-status-gif-9201053

Slayer dps

[olive wraith]

St*

[sullen tendon]

does anyone know how to find the sounds for spells that have multiple parts. So like heroic leap as the main leap sound and then the landing slam. and thunderclap has the actual clap but then the electricity after.

[subtle tendon]

hey got a quick question
why are most sides for fury m+ mountain thane not taking enraged regeneration?
had to discuss with a mate that it would be worth to actually get a def cd on board and he was like : nah you dont take that point

[olive wraith]

You don’t need it for most content

If you want a defensive you take stance mastery

If you still need another; then you take ER

[subtle tendon]

hm okay, we were doing +14 skyreach and bro just kept dying
guess he doesnt use stance mastery effectivly
and when asked to actually get this def cd, he just lowkey refused and said i need more dmg not less

[vast steppe]

You have extra HP from wielding 2x 2H and yoi have passive lower damage taken from war paint also quite high leech/self heals

ER is only needed on demand

[olive wraith]

Ya he’s probably not changing stance

And or standing in bad

[modest condor]

a fury warrior shouldnt really be dying in a +14 even without def stance tbh, there's some player skill issue going on there either with him standing in bad or healer not able to heal enough or casts going through

[vast steppe]

If your friend is dying to avoidables that's a skill issue
If he's dying to unavoidables then maybe not using dstance right or something else

Unlikely to be because of ER

[modest condor]

that doesnt mean he shouldnt be pressing def stance ofcourse

[covert coyote]

10% war paint, 8% from thane passive up about 70% of the time, SR reduction, D stance reduction, H pot and IV, if he's still dying it's either avoidable dam or healer /party utility diff

[vast steppe]

Fury is nearly unkillable with proper play

[spare steppe]

#remindmein3days

[vast steppe]

You only add ER on top when you really really want to be that extra sure you have your own "get out of death's door" button in case you make a mistake

[deft scroll]

... Just to be sure wednesday's update is just a mono nerf no ? and probably aoe to if we stay as mountain thane

[spare steppe]

First pull in seat can be scary

[modest condor]

berserker rage

[vast steppe]

Fearless serk rage you cleanse yourself

[spare steppe]

The second one is where it hurts if you don’t have a good healer or a ret/monk

[modest condor]

there you have spell reflect

impending victory

[vast steppe]

Spell reflect + IP

Yeah lmao

Rotate your stuff mate

We don't lack buttons to live even without ER

[analog matrix]

Spell Reflext can reflect the chain?

[subtle tendon]

well i just looked up his talents and what a surprise
he doesnt have stance mastery or ER
sooo yeah there is that
well that bro is just most of the time dying as the only person while the rest just stays alive
guess he stands in a lot of stuff idk
we did the bird in academy and healer called for bonus def cds cause he ripped his mana a bit
and fury bro was just like : yeah i dont have it

[modest condor]

like ofcourse there may be other random stuff going out, but im pretty sure you could live a solo subjugator on like a +15 without a healer

[spare steppe]

We definitely have the tools

But double subjugator sucks

[covert coyote]

no just DR

[modest condor]

yeah double sucks but that's why you lust

[analog matrix]

okay

[vast steppe]

At worst you can always health pot to save yourself once every 5min too

[olive wraith]

Slight slayer st nerf. Maybe aoe buff to slayer. No other changes

[spare steppe]

My last had us lust the first double and then just die when he did the double subjugator 😭

[sullen tendon]

All of these are the impact sounds for heroic leap but not the actual one that heroic leap uses https://www.wowhead.com/sound=76938/spell-wr-heroicleap-impact-revamp https://www.wowhead.com/sound=83249/spell-7-2-classmounts-warrior-heroicleap-impact

[covert coyote]

at this point IV is really close to the value of an H pot

[modest condor]

you should be pressing spell reflect on every screech and if things are dicy you can impending victory and/or def stance (even without stance mastery def stance is a top tier defensive)

[vast steppe]

Yeah health pot is just a panic button but well it's better than dying

[covert coyote]

like 150K hp on a 25 sec CD

[deft scroll]

Ok i didn't see the revert of mountain thane nerf so ... it should be ok 🙂

[spare steppe]

It’s nice how tanky we are

[modest condor]

but imo they should just play enraged regen

i have never agreed with the mentality of "it costs 1% dps so im not taking it"

[subtle tendon]

okay ty ty good to know
its just hard annoying when he is the only person consistenly dying and just doesnt want to take a look at what actually happend and where to improve
he just left the discord, mad like a 5 y/o

[modest condor]

i get that they're trying to send a message, but ER is just too strong

[olive wraith]

ER is a lot of self healing

(And Dr)

[modest condor]

i mean people are doing +20s as arms and fury is tankier than arms so

[covert coyote]

in my key group I'm the one dps that the healer just doesn't have to stress about, furies are the live-lords

[modest condor]

if he's dying in +14s then there are multiple things going wrong

[olive wraith]

💯

[subtle tendon]

well for starters he clicks his spells with his mouse
guess thats a bit of a problem when you play a fast paced spec

[spare steppe]

Oy

[modest condor]

oof

[spare steppe]

Fury is like 4 buttons rotationally

[static shuttle]

4 mouse clicks is fine

[sly merlin]

wtf

[subtle tendon]

i guess so xD
idk, i just want him to improve and understand how he could be dying less
and pulling all the healers recourcess onto him xD

[sly merlin]

i feel like you’d be better offf using one button rotation atp

[vast steppe]

Can't outplay that handicap mate

[subtle tendon]

yeah i suggested that he was like nah thats boring xD

[sly merlin]

if u want him to improve make him start pressing buttons instead of clicking

unless he’s physically incapable

[modest condor]

sounds to me like they dont really want to improve

[spare steppe]

You’re going to get trigger finger if you’re clicking 4 buttons at that apm

[static shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/strong-fingers-fingering-spongebob-gif-15962147

[teal granite]

Is the 12.0.5 patch nerfing Mountain Thane?

[modest condor]

no

[subtle tendon]

well he wants to push since " this season is so pissfree "
but plays like that and dies left right and center
and i just wanted to know if there is anything from my tank perspective that i can tell him, what could be done
but i guess i was on the right track after a bit of looking up what other furys are doing^^

and the most common answer was : top furys are doing the same, so i will do it too

[olive wraith]

Unironically wonder if he should single button rotation

[modest condor]

noxiv (top fury warrior) is playing with enraged regen btw

[static shuttle]

well he is doing 20+ 😄 ofc you need more survivel

[olive wraith]

He’s also not dying though

Like avoidable dmg

[modest condor]

yeah but if the guy's argument is "top fury warriors are doing this" then he's wrong

[sly merlin]

too fury warriors are also pressing buttons

[static shuttle]

the think is single button rotation dont use def cds 😄

[sly merlin]

top*

[modest condor]

and noxiv is doing a 16 right now with enraged regen so it's not just about living in top keys

[static shuttle]

and if he doesnt even using them it wont help him life 🙂

[olive wraith]

Right but he might be able to press a defensive if his mouse isn’t occupied with 70apm

[static shuttle]

but the finger muscles

😄

[vast steppe]

Can't save clickers mate
Reaction time is a real metric

Especially on Fury with the super high APM
I'd bet your friend loses GCDs on lust

[olive wraith]

He probably loses apm outside of lust

[subtle tendon]

yeah that was my pov aswell
like if you keep dying, just take the def cd to survive until you figure out how you dont die
but he is stubborn kinda guy

[vast steppe]

Unless he's actually handicapped there are zero benefits for clicking spells

[static shuttle]

is he a friend friend or just playing together?

[olive wraith]

Kick him from your group

Ultimately up to you , carry him. Or hold him accountable

[subtle tendon]

kinda both
outside of playing keys, we get along very well
but when it goes to playing keys, i want to improve and look what i can actually achieve
and i feel like right now that im kinda gettin held back when it comes to +15 / +16

[static shuttle]

then its time to make an ultimatum

[vast steppe]

Stop letting people get away with being anchors

Unless you don't care either, then so be it

[static shuttle]

either he does or he plays solo keys

[olive wraith]

Especially if you folks are trying to push harder

That mentality has a ceiling

[dry hawk]

700g to me name, guess its time to level a farmer

[static shuttle]

and then ragequit if he gets critic thats sad

[subtle tendon]

yeah i guess so
guess i have to talk to the group on how we proceed with this
thanks for all your advise and thoughts on that topic
have a nice day, morning or night
much love from a tank ❤️

[static shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/good-luck-gif-6101980294530817885

[keen kindle]

For a button as huge as er

Its so not worth 1%

[compact knot]

lowkey idk if fury is tankier then arms

colo arms is deadahh invinceable with demolish dr and passive dr

then bleeds heal you for like 30k hps on packs

you cant die to rot and big bursts of damage u just go dstance and sr

[modest condor]

fury has more base hp, has 10% passive DR, another 8% if you're talented into that (or 10% hp if you have the other one)

[compact knot]

slayer arms squisher for sure tho

[bitter palm]

colo is disgustingly tanky on packs

i havent played fury in a long time so i cant compare

but if i had to make a guess id say they are close but fury is tankier on bosses

on bosses both are disgustingly tanky tho

hydrogen bomb vs hydrogen bomb comparison

[bitter palm]

way squishier

i feel so beefy as colo

but i feel naked as slayer

[sudden tusk]

5% giga big for colo

death drive sucks

[bitter palm]

demo applies a damage done debuff as well

10% less damage to you

[sudden tusk]

+1.4mil

[grizzled mango]

quick q for m+ thane: weapon embellishment + arcanowave or 2x arcanoweave?

[sudden tusk]

hunt+arcano best

[grizzled mango]

ty

[glad ice]

I'm pretty sure fury is still getting nerfed 12.0.5

Mountain Thane
Storm Surge causes Avatar to increase the damage of Thunder Clap by 10% (was 50%) and reduce its cooldown by 25% (was 50%).

as of april 17th

[junior oyster]

this is groundhog's day with the confusion about the thane nerf that isn't happening

[worn rain]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-gif-4169442390448293969

[static loom]

Technically speaking, in full BiS we'll do 1k less dps in 12.0.5

[sudden tusk]

: )

[static loom]

But we won't ever have to press Rend again

So I count it as a win

[worn rain]

huuuuuge

[chilly kayak]

So basically we are going to become the #1 class for boss dmg?

[static loom]

If you start counting looking from the bottom, sure!

[worn rain]

in reverse

[modest condor]

in australia we top boss damage

[chilly kayak]

[echo rapids]

It’s like golf, low score wins

[worn rain]

wins bench spot

[chilly kayak]

Take me back to the first 2 weeks of Nerub-ar Palace 😩

[midnight kite]

Fury gets to use voidcores on the equivalent of 4 weapons so clearly thats why they have to nerf us by 1k dps

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/pig-electric-shock-pigman-electrocuted-electric-gif-13739997527188393816

[chilly kayak]

IM AWAKE

[brittle folio]

im confused....is the nerf still happening or...

[chilly kayak]

What did bro even type to find this xD